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Ariana Madix Lawsuit and the Mysterious Death of a Pastor’s Wife · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: First, listen, you know how I love a rap battle.
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  Speaker 3: But listen, this is a real thing. Drake, not my son,
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  Speaker 3: is in a rap battle that appears to have been
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  Speaker 3: going on for years with Kendrick Lamar. What's sad is
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  Speaker 3: in the beginning, the two of them were really good friends.
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  Speaker 3: They collaborated. They went on tour together. I think Kendrick
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  Speaker 3: Lamar opened for Drake.
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  Speaker 1: But then it turned and they, I was trying.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, it's analyzing these lyrics is like just as difficult
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  Speaker 3: as analyzing Taylor Swift.
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  Speaker 1: Like it is just goes on.
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  Speaker 3: You have to go way back. You have to figure
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  Speaker 3: out what this means and what's going on. And TikTok
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  Speaker 3: is going crazy trying to analyze it. But what I
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  Speaker 3: got from the gist of it is both of them
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  Speaker 3: are putting out tracks that I guess they're just putting
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  Speaker 3: out new songs or they have songs or they're just
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  Speaker 3: coming up with a song.
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  Speaker 1: In a minute, going back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: Both basically say that they're both horrible boyfriends and might
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  Speaker 3: be into underage girls.
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  Speaker 1: So and then they defend it and say, no, you're it.
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  Speaker 3: And they're like, no, you're the one that's going to
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  Speaker 3: be like Mike, meaning Michael Jackson. No, you're the one
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  Speaker 3: that's going.
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  Speaker 1: To be down. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, apparently there's some fun beats along with all
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  Speaker 3: the dissing.
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  Speaker 1: So enjoy.
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  Speaker 3: Also, everyone is talking about the roast of Tom Brady,
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  Speaker 3: which is part of Netflix is a joke, uh, LA festival.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a huge room, way more elaborate than
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  Speaker 3: what we used to see with the roasts of comedy
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  Speaker 3: central and, you know, big names, big stars, other football players, um,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen clips with Ben Affleck and Will Ferrell. And
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  Speaker 3: the biggest one that got the most news was Kim Kardashian. Now, remember,
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  Speaker 3: she was rumored to possibly have been dating him or
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  Speaker 3: something was going on with him or she was going
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  Speaker 3: to buy a house next door to him a little
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  Speaker 3: while ago, she.
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  Speaker 1: And Tom Brady.
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  Speaker 3: She got up there with her long blonde hair now
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  Speaker 3: and a black dress.
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  Speaker 1: And And she got booed.
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  Speaker 3: From the moment she took the mic, she got a
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  Speaker 3: lot of audible boos, though she delivered her monologue well,
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  Speaker 3: from what I can tell. And some people thought the
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  Speaker 3: jokes were funny. I mean, remember, she did the SNL
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  Speaker 3: monologue and she did really well. Of course, she's not
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  Speaker 3: writing these jokes, but, you know, participating in what the
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  Speaker 3: gist of them are or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And so I have to watch it. I have yet
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  Speaker 1: to watch it. I want to watch it.
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  Speaker 3: And talk about it more with a fellow comedian, which
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  Speaker 3: will be my guest on Thursday. So I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: watch it and really take it apart.
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  Speaker 1: I personally.
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  Speaker 3: have trouble kind of watching these roasts because they are
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  Speaker 3: so like cruel and mean and then they go after
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  Speaker 3: each other. But it is entertaining and it's getting a
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  Speaker 3: lot of buzz. So we'll talk about that. But a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people think that she took the booze in
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  Speaker 3: stride and still killed it and ate, left no crumbs
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  Speaker 3: and all the expressions that means like she didn't give
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  Speaker 3: a shit and shined.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight is the Met Gala. where everybody wears these crazy outfits. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: the theme is, uh, Anna, Anna Winter, who is the
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  Speaker 3: head of Vogue that does this whole thing. It's, you know,
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  Speaker 3: remember this whole thing is for charity for like to
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  Speaker 3: help with, um, art museums or something and fashion designers
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  Speaker 3: pay for certain tables and that's how you get invited
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  Speaker 3: and you have to be invited by her. And when
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  Speaker 3: you're in, you're in, and when you're out, you're not coming. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: She said, we came up with the title Sleeping Beauties.
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  Speaker 1: It's wonderful. It's poetic. It's romantic.
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  Speaker 3: But actually, it could be many, many things. That means
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  Speaker 3: you have to dress in that theme. Sleeping Beauties is
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  Speaker 3: the theme. That paired with the Garden of Time dress code,
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  Speaker 3: she said, may have caused mixed signals. I fear we
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  Speaker 3: have unleashed a lot of confusion out there in which
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  Speaker 3: I deeply apologize.
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  Speaker 1: I always find this is so weird.
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  Speaker 3: Either some people go so crazy and or or their
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  Speaker 3: outfit makes no sense or they just show up wearing
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  Speaker 3: just like a beautiful gown and they're like fuck it
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be uncomfortable I don't care if
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  Speaker 3: I ever come again whatever but it will be fun
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  Speaker 3: to see it so I'm sure you'll enjoy looking at
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  Speaker 3: the photos this morning J-Lo, there's all these pre-parties and after-parties,
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  Speaker 3: and J-Lo was left looking for her Uber the way
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  Speaker 3: Peter and I were left looking for our Uber at
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  Speaker 3: Stagecoach the other weekend, and it is awful. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know why she didn't have a driver. This was one
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  Speaker 3: of the pre-parties. There's all these after-parties people want to
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  Speaker 3: go to. It sounds like the most fun, most exhausting
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  Speaker 3: night of your life, and at this point, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know that I'll ever be invited, and I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if I totally care, but Ross Matthews is Lucky enough,
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  Speaker 3: he's doing the red carpet, which is a dream, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 3: for anybody to do something like that so fashion into it. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is a crazy story that's going around. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: Dateline offices are all over it because this is a
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  Speaker 3: horrible story made for a Dateline episode. There is this
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  Speaker 3: young pastor. He's good looking. He has a southern accent.
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  Speaker 3: He has the more casual, charming outfits. And he had
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  Speaker 3: a wife named Micah Miller. She's very young and pretty
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  Speaker 3: as well. He goes and does his sermon. And all
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  Speaker 3: these sermons are now coming up online because every single
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  Speaker 3: one of them was either streamed or filmed or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: After he finished the whole service, he said, oh, and
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  Speaker 3: by the way, I have something to say. You know,
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  Speaker 3: and I just want to say it. And I want
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  Speaker 3: you guys to leave quietly. And I don't want you
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  Speaker 3: to talk about it or talk about it to each other.
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  Speaker 1: Just leave. And then I'm going to take a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of time off.
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  Speaker 3: But I just got word yesterday that my wife has
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  Speaker 3: died and it was self-inflicted. And, you know, he's kind
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  Speaker 3: of like shaking and his voice is crying. Immediately people
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  Speaker 3: are like, wait, what the fuck? So here are all
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  Speaker 3: the things that I have read from all different sources
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  Speaker 3: and why it's confusing. So his story is that she
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  Speaker 3: shot herself and ended her life. They find out that
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  Speaker 3: they had been separated. They also find out that she
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  Speaker 3: had filed a report saying that someone was stalking her
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  Speaker 3: and put something in her tire that made her tire
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  Speaker 3: go flat. And then when she took the car to
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  Speaker 3: the dealership, they said there's also a tracking device on
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  Speaker 3: your car. And they're not saying who she stated in
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  Speaker 3: the police report who that is, but it appears that
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  Speaker 3: it would be the ex-husband. There's also reports that she's
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  Speaker 3: kept these diaries and binders of the abuse that she
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  Speaker 3: suffered at the hands of being his wife before she
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  Speaker 3: had filed for divorce. Then there's reports that she was groomed,
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  Speaker 3: met him when she was 15.
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  Speaker 1: In one of his churches, which is now closed.
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  Speaker 3: But then they didn't get married until they were both
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  Speaker 3: divorced from someone else and had kids. But then he
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  Speaker 3: was really abusive, sexually abusive, sexually abusive, including other people.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's this one story that he that she allegedly
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  Speaker 3: wrote and shared with people that he would insist on
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  Speaker 3: picking up a homeless person in which he would engage
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  Speaker 3: in sexual acts or make her engage in sexual acts.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it is so Disturbing all the stuff that's
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  Speaker 3: coming out. And like I'm saying, this is like all alleged.
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  Speaker 3: It's my understanding he has not been arrested yet. However,
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  Speaker 3: the church has put him on leave. They just sent
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  Speaker 3: out a letter today. He also has a this. woman
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  Speaker 3: that he was seen eating with right after, and she
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  Speaker 3: claims not to be his girlfriend. And she, she then
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  Speaker 3: got in there and made a statement and said, he
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  Speaker 3: just was looking with, looking for someone to eat with.
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  Speaker 1: And I happened to be available. We're not romantic.
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  Speaker 3: However, his wife, um, Micah Miller was, um, definitely had
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  Speaker 3: mental illness and it threatened to, you know, commit suicide
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  Speaker 3: in the past and all these other things. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: but she says way too much than she should. She
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  Speaker 3: like brings up all these different instances. Like one time
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  Speaker 3: she was so distraught that she threw a belt out
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  Speaker 3: the window of her car thinking it was a snake.
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  Speaker 1: And she's like saying all this.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff that clearly the only way she'd have that information
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  Speaker 3: is from this pastor that she supposedly is not involved with. Um,
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  Speaker 3: So this is an insane story. We'll see what the
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  Speaker 3: evidence is with the gunshot. One report is that the
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  Speaker 3: gunshot was to the back of her head. The other
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  Speaker 3: one was like, we don't know. So we don't have
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  Speaker 3: the report from the autopsy yet. He has not been
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  Speaker 3: arrested yet, but very, very suspicious. And being that we're
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  Speaker 3: able to see his sermons about different things, just more
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  Speaker 3: and more odd sermons about You know, he's just so
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  Speaker 3: good at it. He's like such a good speaker and
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  Speaker 3: he's so gregarious. But then when you look back at
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  Speaker 3: what he was saying and then she was quite active
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  Speaker 3: on social media and really sharing about her abuse. There's
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  Speaker 3: text messages between friends of hers that are like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: really glad that you got out of it. Even though
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  Speaker 3: we're Christians, you shouldn't have gotten divorced, but I'm glad
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  Speaker 3: you got out of it. This is an insane story.
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  Speaker 3: So it's the Micah Miller case. I'm just very, very
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  Speaker 3: sad that she is not with us.
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  Speaker 1: Soon we'll know. hopefully, what the truth is.
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  Speaker 3: Real Housewives of New Jersey, it began last on Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: and I talked about this on my Patreon. There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot going on with social media and these accounts that
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  Speaker 3: were dedicated to Real Housewives of New Jersey content and shows.
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  Speaker 3: And One of these accounts has come forward and said,
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  Speaker 3: I was in contact with Teresa and with Jennifer Aiden
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  Speaker 3: for quite a while in strategically putting out tweets and
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  Speaker 3: things about other cast members, which then they could read
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  Speaker 3: the tweet on when the cameras were there. They'd be like, OK,
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  Speaker 3: allegedly tomorrow they're coming to my house, the producers to
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  Speaker 3: film me And so if you could put out that
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  Speaker 3: tweet about so-and-so's lawsuit or about, you know, the alleged
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  Speaker 3: story behind this one's husband, sexual preferences or whatever, put
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  Speaker 3: it out there on Twitter because then I can be
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  Speaker 3: talking to my husband or whoever when the cameras are
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  Speaker 3: there and go, oh my God, did you see this?
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  Speaker 3: Do you see the crazy shit that's going on right
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  Speaker 3: now on the internet about so-and-so's husband? And now it's
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  Speaker 3: available on the show. And now, you know, Teresa now
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  Speaker 3: has something that she needs to fight or defend or
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  Speaker 3: talk about or whatever. So then they claim you're creating
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  Speaker 3: this for a storyline. Is she creating it for a
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  Speaker 3: storyline for herself or is she out to really hurt
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  Speaker 3: another cast member's reputation or is it a little of both?
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  Speaker 3: Then other accounts are like, my God, the other team
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  Speaker 3: So if you look at this photo, this is the team.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason Dolores is in the middle is because
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  Speaker 3: she is Switzerland and that's part of her tagline. So
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  Speaker 3: it's team Melissa is Melissa and I think her name
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  Speaker 3: is Rachel Fuda.
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  Speaker 1: Fuda is her last name. And Margaret versus Teresa.
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  Speaker 3: And Jennifer Aiden and this Danielle, I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: side this new Danielle is on.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, it's split.
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  Speaker 3: And they don't even want to talk about, Melissa's like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't even want to talk about Teresa in my
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  Speaker 3: confessionals anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Don't ask me questions about her.
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  Speaker 3: So we got into the screaming last night. They go
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  Speaker 3: to Jen Fessler's 55th birthday surprise party. And Teresa shows up.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like, you know, Louie and this FUTA guy
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  Speaker 3: who's new, this one's husband, got into it at the
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  Speaker 3: reunion at the end. Because FUTA's like, why did you
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  Speaker 3: contact my ex-wife? And why'd you put all this stuff
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  Speaker 3: out about my ex-wife who's struggling with drug addiction and
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  Speaker 3: in and out of prison? And then that woman said
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  Speaker 3: awful things about him. She said he liked a double-headed dildo.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 3: which I don't even know how that physically worked between
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  Speaker 3: a man and a woman, but whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about it last night.
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  Speaker 3: And he was a drug dealer many years ago, which
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  Speaker 3: caused him to be in legal trouble, which now he
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  Speaker 3: is not.
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  Speaker 1: He has a business. He's doing fine.
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  Speaker 3: So he's pissed that that's put out there and that
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  Speaker 3: she's talking about it. So they're fighting about it at
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  Speaker 3: the party, screaming, and people are like, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 3: even want to watch this. But now- that the story
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  Speaker 3: has come out that this girl, Gabriela, who's at Melissa's
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  Speaker 3: old nose, is now singing like a canary. Allegedly, other
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  Speaker 3: people say don't.
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  Speaker 1: She's not to be believed.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, look, I was a mom with a special
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  Speaker 3: needs child who decided to bully Melissa and other cast
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  Speaker 3: members through the internet. And I was so excited to
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  Speaker 3: have Someone like Teresa and Jennifer Aiden give me any
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  Speaker 3: time of day. I just did whatever they told me
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  Speaker 3: to do. And now I realize I was manipulated. And
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  Speaker 3: I was also creating storylines for them.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel gross and I want out now.
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  Speaker 3: And everyone's like, it's almost like when someone is accused
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  Speaker 3: of murder or whatever, and they're on trial. And then
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  Speaker 3: the person that they shared a cell with, who's also
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  Speaker 3: a criminal and, you know, looking for any kind of
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  Speaker 3: break of their sentence says, oh, well, they confessed the
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  Speaker 3: murder to me.
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  Speaker 1: They told me.
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  Speaker 3: And then the defense is like, why would you believe
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  Speaker 3: that piece of shit? They were in the cell with
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  Speaker 3: them and they're looking at 20 years as well. So
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  Speaker 3: why would you believe that Why wouldn't they just make
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  Speaker 3: this story up? Because they know they're sharing a cell
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  Speaker 3: with someone who's on trial for murder, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like, it's like all these people, I don't know, but
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  Speaker 3: they're trying to show DMs and things and it's gotten
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  Speaker 3: really ugly. And I kind of feel like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how much the audience really cares. I think they
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  Speaker 3: just kind of want to watch it. And other people
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  Speaker 3: are like, I'm over it and I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: watch it. So that's what's going on there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm heading to the Emmys and I have police complaints
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  Speaker 3: filed against me.
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  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
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  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
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  Speaker 5: Where did that need come from where you thought that
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  Speaker 5: you had to succeed in order.
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  Speaker 2: To feel loved?
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  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad.
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  Speaker 5: I need a home dad.
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  Speaker 1: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody in life encounters hardships.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: What defines them is not those hard moments that they
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: go through. It's about what happens next.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I decided to risk it all.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Also, Britney Spears, she got in a horrible fight with
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: her boyfriend. And this is a boyfriend that I met
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: when I saw her at Chateau Marmont. I didn't know
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: it was her boyfriend, though they seemed like they were
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: kind of a couple.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I guess they were. That was back in December.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: She tried to say it was no big deal, that
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: she was trying to leap in a hallway and she
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: tripped and hurt her foot. But they called the ambulance
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: and the ambulance took her. And then when she got
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: back to her house, she did a bunch of videos
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: saying like, This is, this is totally my mom's doing.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: They're just trying to make me look like I'm, you know,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: not stable again. When all I was doing was just
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: trying to do a dance leap in a hotel room
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: and I sprained my ankle and that's all it is.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: And it's not a big deal.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why people are exaggerating so much,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: but the Chateau Marmont reports were that she was, um,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: you know, loud and disturbing people. And then also that
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: she was hurt and fighting with him. And that is
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: why they called the ambulance. But I don't think she
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: went to the hospital.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Brittany, I'm telling you, why don't we just go and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: get some coffee, go to Joey's.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I will do my Drew Barrymore for you as much
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: as you want. Okay. So just please put some ice
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: on that ankle, girl. Hold off. Don't try to squeeze.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: that swollen shoe and your Brown sensible pumps. And we
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: will just hang out and just pick flowers and just
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: enjoy a beautiful spring day in Calabasas. Um, Bethany Frankel.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Has officially it's, it's according to us weekly.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Broken up with her fiancee.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Paul Benson, this is something that many of us suspected,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: being that she started talking about her horrible divorce with
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Jason Hoppe.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: She's going to do a whole series on her divorce.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I think it was inspired by the Risa Tiso, Who
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the Fuck Did I Marry, 50-part series, and that fame
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: that that woman got, I think– Bethany was like, you
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: know what? I never talked about this and I've got
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: tons of material. So let's go, I heart. And she
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: did a couple episodes. And then her mom, unfortunately, passed,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: which she had a tumultuous relationship with. And she did
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: an episode about her mother, a very raw episode about that.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: But now the episodes, the two episodes, because she was
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: going to do like 50 of them.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: About the horrible divorce to Jason Hoppy. Those are been removed.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's illegally.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know if she chose to do it to
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: protect her daughter, which is probably a wise choice. I
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: don't think the daughter would appreciate it. But maybe she
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: wanted to do it because at the time she was
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: broken up with Paul and was like, fuck it.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Let me just distract myself with someone who was worse.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Who knows why they broke up?
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Not everybody lasts forever, but now it's out there. But
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: one thing I did notice is when I did listen
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: to her episode about her mother passing, And in talking
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: about her life, she didn't ever, and the morning of it,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: she never was saying, and then Paul was there and
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: he was hugging me and holding me and telling me this,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: or he brought me chicken soup. She never mentioned him
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: in that episode. And that's, I was already pretty convinced,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: but that's why I was. So there's some scoop there. And,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: you know, the only reason I'm mentioning it is because
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: us weekly and, you know, she shares a lot about
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: her life with us.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So they are no longer.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Megan Markle, allegedly people are saying that she's greedy, that
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: A-listers are like, we are not interested in hanging out
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: with her. She definitely is not as popular as she
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: was a couple of years ago. I feel like people
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: don't know where it's going. I still have yet to
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: receive the jam. And of course the podcast is on
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: hold and supposedly Lemonada, which is the new podcast company,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: thought that she would be all excited but instead it's
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: been postponed to 2025 because i guess she's going to
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: work on her cooking show with netflix and no a-listers
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: are like dying to hang out with her but you
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: know what if you need someone to do your cooking
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: show with or if you want we go to a
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: restaurant and i can show you how i am the
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: world's best order i'm still open to it um I
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: still am on your side, Megan Markle, that your sister
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: and brother are nightmares.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: And I can show you how to make a more
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: interesting podcast.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Also Selling Sunset has dropped and it's very juicy. I'll
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: be watching it and giving more into it. But the
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: big story is that there's this cute guy named Austin.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: He's married to his wife. They have two little twin girls.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: And this other guy who is either out as bi
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: or gay, starts to tell the other agents that one
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: night he went over.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: To their house and they propositioned him.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people are like, that's weird that
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: a woman would want to like maybe be with a
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: gay or bisexual man and that she'd be down for
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: her husband. And there's that saying that her husband Austin
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: is gay. And then the Austin guy is like, uh,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: that's not what happened.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: We invited him over.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: My wife made cookies and, um, That was it. And
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: now we never propositioned them or whatever. And most people
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: are saying it's always the realtors that really have no
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: listings that then have to drive these stories.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: But anyway, it sounds very juicy.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Also, Alex Hall, the pretty brunette who was on my show,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: she's been having a lot of press lately because she
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: was the girl that dated Brittany Snow's ex-boyfriend.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: In the last two seasons.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Well, the first season I talked to her about it saying,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think their marriage will last. And then the
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: second season is when he breaks up with his wife
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: and then they get together. And then she was annoyed
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: that Brittany Snow was alluding to her being a cheater
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: because she's like, there was no cheating ever involved.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And I don't like that.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: So, you know, it's a beautiful time to watch just
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: hot people in tiny outfits selling beautiful. I like to
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: call it real estate porn. And that's what we're going
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: to watch. It's going to be pretty juicy.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Sofia Vergara got her own Chihuahua.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Remember I told you I believe that the Chihuahua that
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: she originally got for herself, that then her ex-husband Joe
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: was all over and with at all times. I felt
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: that that chihuahua might have been the reason for the
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: demise of the marriage. Well, she posted that she got
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: another one and let's hope this one loves her more
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: than the first.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And now for.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Such a juicy interview that answers so many questions about
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Hollywood lawsuits.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I've got a real
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: juicy one. We have attorney at law, Jeff Lewis. My
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: new favorite and forever favorite.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Jeff Lewis.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: We've had some working dealings cases together.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Well, we're obviously very interested in this Vanderpump Rules lawsuit
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: that has happened. Rachel Raquel, which now the lawsuit is
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: under the name Rachel, which I assume is because that
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: is her legal name. I don't think she ever... legally
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: change it to Raquel. And that's what she used when
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: she was on the show. And since she's left the show,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: she went back to Rachel. Rachel filed a lawsuit. And
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: why don't you explain, let's start there, what exactly the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: lawsuit is saying.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: We could talk about the allegations and then we'll get
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: into the evidence because there seems to be a little
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: bit of a gap between the allegations and the evidence.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: The allegations are that a video was made without her
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: consent of her having sex with one of the two Toms,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Tom Sandoval.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Well, having FaceTime sex on herself, not with another human.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And that it was made without her consent and that
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it was distributed to multiple people and invaded her privacy,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: violated California's revenge porn laws, intentional infliction of emotional distress, etc.,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And so she's seeking unspecified amount of dollars and injunctive
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: relief and punitive damages.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: What's injunctive relief?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Injunctive relief can be if they find that you, for example,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: had a copy of the video on your phone, you
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: could be ordered to delete it. The court can try
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to undo all the distribution and broadcasting of this video.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: So just to get people up to speed, my audience
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: knows what happened, but in case you didn't, this all
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: went down in about a year ago, just about a
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: little over a year, I believe it was end of
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: March when this happened, where Ariana Maddox, who lived with
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Tom Sandoval, who was best friends at the time with Rachel,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: they were all on Banner Pump together. Filming had stopped
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: and And she was at his show. Arana was at
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Tom's show. And his phone, either someone handed it to
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: her while he was performing. She had access to his phone.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: And I guess he didn't have a passcode or she
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: knew the passcode. And something told her to look at
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: his camera roll. And that's when she saw this intimate
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: sexual video of Raquel pleasuring herself. And that's when she
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: knew that they were more than friends and freaked out.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: And so now let's get into what Rachel is saying
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: that happened next.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the allegations are really broad. And by the way,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: she spends a lot of time talking about Bravo and
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Andy Cohen and hostile work environment, but they're not parties.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: They're not defendants. I'm not sure why they spend a
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: lot of time in the complaint talking about the environment.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Can I ask, as non-attorney, does the attorneys decide to
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: do that in the complaint or the lawsuit to set
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: up maybe that they could eventually do another lawsuit against them?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Is that why, to get it all out there at
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the same time?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: There's a few reasons. That's one reason. Another is to
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: tell a complete story, because lawyers are storytellers, to get
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: a complete picture. Another is to, yeah, when Bravo and
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Andy Cohen gets a copy of this lawsuit and you
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: see that there are does in the case that maybe
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: they might be added to the case later.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Explain what a do is.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: A do is a fictitiously named defendant.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: OK.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Or it could be this is rarely the case,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: but it could be they drafted it with the idea
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: of naming Bravo and Cohen early on. That's part of
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the narrative. At the last minute, they took Bravo and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Cohen out. Nobody but her lawyers will know which of
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the reasons. But they go on and on with that story.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Right, in that what?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: That she was exploited as a reality cast member.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, exploited. They took advantage of her. They knew
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: she was mentally hurting from this situation, and they used it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: One of the things that I saw was they said
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: that she is also saying she didn't get a chance
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to tell her side of the story. And that part
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: is confusing to me because she was invited to the reunion.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: She did decide to go.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Um, so I don't understand what, why they're saying, I mean,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: at any time she could have gone on Instagram and
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: said her story or. gone on a podcast. She did
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: eventually go on Bethany Frankel's, but she could have even
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: gone earlier. And so do you know what her reasoning
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: is to say that she wasn't able to speak?
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: It's not clear now, but with this anti-slap motion being filed,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: she'll have the chance to file a declaration in response.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And maybe we'll see a little bit more about her
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: timing issues and why she did what she did.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: So why don't you explain what this anti-slap really means?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: And this is what Arianna Maddox's attorneys have sent into response.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Because she's suing, so she's suing Arianna and Tom.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Correct. Separately. And they're not working together. They have their
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: own separate counsel.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Separate counsel and separate legal strategies. Tom went in with
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: what's called a demur. It's a motion to dismiss the case.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with the First Amendment or anti-SLAPP.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Anti-SLAPP in California provides protection for people who are sued
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: for speaking their mind. So people who qualify for anti-SLAPP
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: protection can file a motion dismissed very early within the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: first 60 days of a lawsuit. All discovery is stayed.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Meaning discovery stayed means what?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: No depositions are taken. You can't ask for documents. You
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: can't ask written questions, all these burdensome, expensive, time-consuming activities.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: And in the first few months of the case, the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: plaintiff here, Raquel, would have to put her cards on
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the table and say, this is the evidence I have,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and this is why I should win this case. And
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: if she doesn't have enough evidence, the case gets dismissed.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: She has to pay the attorney's fees of the person
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: who moved uh moved to strike filed the anti-slap motion
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: okay so it's a very powerful device um in first
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: amendment cases yeah um i i do want to say
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: i don't know if this is a big first amendment
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: case because although these people are in the public eye
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: sending a private text message between two people um because
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the harm that's alleged here is that this video was
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: recorded and then um.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Ariana.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Ariana sent it by text message.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Back to Raquel, like, I know what's up.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Right. Not to The Guardian, not to Instagram, to one person.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And I don't know that the court's going to find
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: that this is enough of a public issue that the
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: First Amendment really applies. I'd be surprised if this anti-slap
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: motion even got granted.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: So basically, Rachel is saying that.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: All these does like there could be like she thinks
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: that it was sent to other cast members and they
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: were seeing it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: That is her belief.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: She alleges two kinds of broad conduct in the complaint. One,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: that it was recorded without her consent. And two, that
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: it was distributed widely without her consent. And the evidence
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: so far now she hasn't said her side in a
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: written declaration. But the evidence so far in terms of
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: this anti-slap motion is there was one text message and
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: that's it. And then the videos were immediately deleted off
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: of her phone by Tom. So if that's all there is,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: if that's the only evidence and there's nothing more, this
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: lawsuit is not going to go very far.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So with.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: But, you know, so it's just she's from what I
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: gathered is Rachel saying, like, I know from other people
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: saying like, hey, I did see it and this person
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: saw it and they sent it to me. And so
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: but it's all kind of hearsay because at this point
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: there's no proof that. To say that someone sent it
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: and then it did get deleted, you know, seven months ago.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: But for one minute, whatever, maybe some other people saw it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: But it's interesting because Juicy Scoop was.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Mentioned in Ariana's... Right. How do you say it? Complaint or... Yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the complaint. Complaint.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Saying that I had Lala on and Lala was... I
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: was asking about it because... Lala did receive a email
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: directly from an attorney who I don't know if it's
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the same attorney now, but of her attorney of Raquel's,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Rachel's saying, you know, but you better not share this
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: or anything. And that's when Lala had this like viral
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: moment where she's like, don't send it. You know, don't
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: send a letter to me. You can send it to Daryl,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: send it to Daryl. And that's her attorney. And she
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: made sure it send it to Daryl. And it was
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: just kind of like, I don't know. It just, few
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: were so wrapped up in the story and she was
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: kind of funny the way she said it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And she was kind of like badass. She's like, I
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: have a little baby to take care of. And you
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: wake up to this message.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: And so, um, But that was always, like, I mean,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I can attest in talking to Lala, like, right when
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: it happened.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, is this really real? And
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: her story was that exact story. She had the phone.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Like, the story has never changed as someone who heard it, like,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: within it breaking on TMZ within an hour.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I shared it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: As much as I was allowed to share at that time,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: but I was like, wow. And so then a couple,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: like a few weeks later, she was on my show
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: and that was the same story that she never saw it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: She was told what happened.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: She told, it was told that there was this video
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: that they were clearly having a phone, a video phone
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: sex kind of a situation. And so I guess the
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: question is for the Tom element is if you're FaceTiming
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: each other at, I guess one person can record it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: The other person can record it without it showing this
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: is being recorded?
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, from a tech point of view, that's possible. Now,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: if you're recording someone's sound, it's illegal in California to
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: tape somebody without their consent. On the other hand, I
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: think there's an argument out there, maybe Tom raised it,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that there was no sound. It was just video. And
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: if that's the case, it may not have violated California's
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: eavesdropping laws.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, which is probably, being that this is all such
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: new technology, from the FaceTiming to the revenge porn to
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: all of it, that's what makes this, like you're going
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: to probably, maybe there will be some precedent set in
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: this if it goes past the slap or no?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: It could.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it will go past the slap. I predict the
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: anti-slap motion will be denied. I predict the demur will.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Be- Oh, you think it will be denied?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: On First Amendment grounds. I'm not saying this lawsuit has
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: any merit. What I am saying is This is not
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: a First Amendment case. These videos were not put on
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: the front page of The Washington Post. That's a First
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Amendment case. If you get sued for something you say
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: on your podcast, that's a First Amendment case. Two people
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: exchanging a video and then it quietly being texted to
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: somebody else, if it ended there and went no further,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: that's not a First Amendment case.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: And so when will we know if Arianna— gets this
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and then it's dead, right? So one judge has to
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: look at Ariana's complaint and decide if it's been granted
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: or not, and then they're done.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: They can't go after her again.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: If the judge were to grant that anti-slap motion and
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the case were dismissed, they have the right of immediate appeal.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And that process takes about a year and you go
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: in front of three appellate justices.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And they look at it. Rachel has an immediate appeal.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: If the case is dismissed. If the case is not
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: dismissed- Ariana would have the right to an immediate appeal,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: have those three same appellate justices looking at the anti-slap motion.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: But that's not going to be the first thing that happens.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I predict the first thing that will happen when this
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: motion was filed is that the other side, Raquel's lawyers,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: have the right to ask for discovery. They can say
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: to the court, hey, we think person A and person
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: B and person C have cell phones, that we should
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: have an IT guy look at those cell phones and see,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: is the video there? Or have any videos been deleted
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: around the time that these issues came up? in order
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: to properly oppose the anti-slap motion. So the first battle
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: you're going to see is, can Raquel do Discovery?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is just, as someone who's followed it,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: this is so frustrating.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Like, I can't believe that Ariana has to go through
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: this bullshit. Like, Well, she's doing well.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: She's going back to Chicago. She has a shoe collab.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: She's doing all these things. And I believe she's doing
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: it with a lot of grace and professionalism.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: And then. Like, I don't care, you know, being having
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: gone through it, I've shared with my audience how incredibly
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: stressful it is.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Even if everybody tells you you're in the right, you
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: did nothing wrong. You'll just watch a dateline about someone
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: who did committed murder and it'll like give you anxiety.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: It'll make you feel like, oh, my.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: God, what?
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: What how long or how long could this go on for?
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: And every time there's a phone call from you or
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: an email, it like shoots up your anxiety.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's awful. Yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: But the good news is Ariana was sued in California.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: About half the states in the United States don't have
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: anti-slap laws. And if she were sued in a state
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: that didn't have an anti-slap law, she'd be going three
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: to five years, spend half a million dollars in attorney's fees,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: have to go through depositions, discovery, people looking at her phone.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: at least this way, there is a potential shortcut, although
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I think the anti-slap motion will be denied.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And you think it will be denied. So that's a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: big bummer. Yeah.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: On First Amendment grounds, I'm not saying that the case
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: has any merit. In terms of the merit, if somebody
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: ever looks at the merit of that case, they got
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: to see, well.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: But you say First Amendment, but you've said it wasn't
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: on the cover of magazines. It wasn't shown on her
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Instagram Live or something. So then why should it continue then?
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Where's your damages? Where are your damages? If if this
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: video just went from person A to person B and
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: that was it and it wasn't on a newspaper, so what?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Who cares? Now, the allegations are pretty broad. If the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: allegations are true that this was widely disseminated and it
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: wasn't just person A to person B but it's out there, well,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: maybe she might have some damages, but I don't think so.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: The problem is it's going to take a while for
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: a judge to get to the point of assessing this
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: question of are there damages or not.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we, you know, when you think about
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: sex tapes that were seen by people, whether it was
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Tommy and Pamela or Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian or whatever, um,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know one person that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Says that they've seen this. I don't think there's one.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: It's not like all of a sudden it's on this
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: dark web and they're like, look, it ended up on
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: this dark web. So somebody in this circle must have
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: given it to somebody to put it on this crazy website.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: So there's no evidence that it's getting any other views
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: by strangers at this time, right?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Heather, your instinct is right. If there was such evidence,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: the plaintiff would have put a copy of that text
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: message or that image on a server in the complaint.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: It would have put the URL where this video could
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: be found or the date where it was transmitted. And
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: the fact that they weren't that specific and they didn't
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: name names suggests that maybe there's no evidence. It's just
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: a shoot first, aim second scenario where they file a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: lawsuit first and hope to do some discovery and see, well,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: what might be on people's cell phones.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Do they think that maybe somebody that will be like,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: all right, I just I can't like I'm so I'm
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: so stressed and I feel like I'm an accessory to this.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: So here here on March, whatever here, do they think
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: that that could maybe happen and someone come forward that,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: you know, is scared that if they don't come forward,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: it'll be worse for them?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: If that does happen, you know, when these lawsuits get filed,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the lawyers send out they're called evidence preservation letters saying, hey,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you were in contact with this person received text messages
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: around this time. preserve your phone, make a copy of it.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Don't let it get dropped in the ocean. People facing
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: that might call their own lawyer and say, well, what
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: should I do? Well, maybe go cut a deal, turn
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: over your phone in exchange for an agreement and a
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: full release. And that way it's not your problem.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: It's just, just like a criminal case. You know, the,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the smaller fish kind of, uh, uh, make deals and
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: then you go up the food chain to the bigger fish.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I just feel like unless there's like a murder involved,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: isn't that a pretty big deal to try to go
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: and see what was deleted from the cloud and all
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff in today's world?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: It's very expensive, very cumbersome to do that. And this
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: whole lawsuit, by the way, just filing this lawsuit is
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: a very expensive process.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: How much is it?
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: You know, a lawyer, assuming it's not on contingency, meaning
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: assuming she's actually paying her lawyers, it costs anywhere from
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: a quarter million to a half a million dollars.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Well, don't you think this is a contingency?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have taken this case on a contingency because
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: there's no damages, right? You get paid a third of what?
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Well, the thing is that these attorneys are also involved
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: in some other Bravo-related things. So maybe it's just a
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: whole laying the foundation for something larger.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I've seen cases like this where discovery from one case
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: is used for another, et cetera. So it could be
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: strategic from that point of view, sure. I'll tell you
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: one thing. This case brings to mind the case involving
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Katie Hills, a former politician in California. She had an
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: issue with revenge porn. I don't know if it was
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: a boyfriend or a husband, but her ex put video
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: images out there and they were put on a newspaper.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: And she sued the newspaper and her ex for revenge porn,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: a violation of California's revenge porn law. And the court
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: looked at it and an anti-slap motion was filed by
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the newspaper saying this is our First Amendment right to
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: publish this. And normally under the revenge law, this lawsuit
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: would have been able to survive the anti-slap. But there's
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: a little portion of the revenge law that says, hey,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: if this is a matter of public concern, if there's
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: a matter of public interest, people have a right to
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: have this posted on the internet and your anti-slap motion
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: can be granted and the case can be dismissed. And
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: that's what happened to Katie Hill. At the end of
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the day, her revenge porn was put in the newspaper
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and The newspaper filed an anti-slap motion, got the case dismissed.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: She had to write a check to the newspaper for
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: attorney's fees, and the case was over. I bring that
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: up because I wonder if a reality star, if there's
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: enough public concern or public interest in the contents of
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: these tapes, that maybe a similar argument could be raised.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Well, normally they film in the summer.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: And now they've been put on pause, the show.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Now, a lot of people think it's because, one, Ariana,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: who's obviously was never– was always a regular cast member
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: but really was not– kind of was under the radar
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: for many years as just Tom's girlfriend and a pretty
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: girl that was going to have a couple of fun
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: moments but not big storylines. And she is, I think,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: doing she's hosting like Love Island. She's going back and
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: doing a month of Chicago in New York as the
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: star of Chicago. So people think, is that why they're
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: holding off on it? Also, Lala, one of the other stars,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: is pregnant with her second child. She's due in September.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: So they wonder if that's the reason. Now I'm thinking
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: this could be the reason to see if this goes
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: away because maybe they don't want this to be a storyline.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: But how could they not discuss it?
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a huge part of your life.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: And will there be a moment where like Tom and
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Ariana in some way not come together legally, but come
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: together as like, I can't believe we, you know.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I can't believe this is the triangle that we're now
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: in is the mistress is coming after both of us,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely going to be brought up. I mean, can
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: you imagine the reality Housewives shows not discussing Tom Girardi
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and the proceeding against Tom Girardi?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: You couldn't.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: It's the elephant in the room.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's, yeah, it's very interesting.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: The other part was they always normally film in the summer,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: but then there was, you know, a little bit of
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: a scheduling difference because of the scandal of last year. But, yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, that, it's just interesting because, like, she went away. People, yes,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: she got a lot of hate for it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: She did.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Rachel.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Rachel.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Then she went away and then she did Bethany Frankel's podcast,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: which I did not think she was ready to do,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: in my opinion.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think she.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Came off humble or changed. And I always said, I'm like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: she should come back with like, guys, this is how
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: it happened. I can't believe I did this. Now I
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: want to talk to other men and women that were
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: in a deceptive affair with hurting a person, not only
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: having an affair with someone who's married, but knowing the partner,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: And then talk about it.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: And maybe then some people would see some forgiveness or whatever,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: but she didn't do that. She went, started her own
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: podcast and is now just kind of rewriting history, reviewing
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the show like everybody else.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: And she's still in, you know, she's still.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Very relevant because we're talking about her and because of
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: her podcast of this, you know, but as far as
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: like trying to rebuild a reputation as someone that's like, hey,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I did a really bad thing, but I'm a different
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: person now. I feel like this lawsuit completely ruins that
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: with the public.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, your gut instinct's right in terms of PR,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: but also keep this in mind. Her reputation is terrible.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: And in court, she's going to say my reputation was harmed. Well,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: your reputation was terrible because of what she did, not
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: because of this tape. And I don't know how a
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: plaintiff's attorney can rehabilitate that and ask a jury for damages.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Interesting is someone who's covered it a lot. the discovery
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: of Ariana having hardcore evidence with her eyeballs that there
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: was something going on, which is this small video, this
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: intimate sexual video, that's like the littlest part of what
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: was discussed. I'm just thinking about that now at the
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: reunion and everything else. It was really just, oh my God,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: you know, there was a scene where We know that
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: she was months deep into sleeping with Tom behind Ariana's back.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: And there's a scene where the cameras are there. And
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: she's like, how's everything going with Tom?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Is your sex life getting better?
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: And it's moments like that that just made women go, oh,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: my God. Because women came out and be like, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: they would say, my sister, my best friend. was having
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: an affair with my man and then acting like a
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: friend counseling me. And so people go, why was this
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: such a big story? Reality stars have cheated in the past.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: But it's been like with a one-night stand or with
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: an outside person. It was never within the cast with
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: this deep, deep history of friendship and stuff. And I
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: think that's what got people talking. But people were not going, oh,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: my God, can you believe that she filmed herself having
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: a little phone sex with her man?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Like that wasn't really a big deal.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: No, that's not the story.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: And that wasn't what hurt her reputation.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: What hurt her reputation was she had an affair with someone.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Who was her friend's man. That's it. If she had
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: an affair with some other guy.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Because there's other cast members who had affairs with, with
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: men who were married at the time in the past.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: And they throw that in those cast members faces like
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Sheena and Lala, but it's completely different because they didn't
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: know those women. Those women weren't part of the cast.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: They were told by these men that, you know, the
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: marriage was over. It wasn't what, you know, what they thought,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: or they were going through the divorce, whatever she was.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Was well aware that.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: This was a couple the girl was freezing her eggs
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: to have kids with him they own the home together
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: like there wasn't any like oh my god this guy
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: said he was you know one month from his divorce
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: being final which a lot of men do and a
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: lot of women are blindsided when they you know because
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: of course divorce takes a long time do we really
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: expect everybody who's going through a divorce to be a
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: choir boy until an altar boy until it's time to
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: so that's not weird to be dating someone who's legally
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: married or whatever and they.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Can tell you stuff so that is what it was so.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I'm just thinking like really it's really not about this
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: stupid video which so many people send nudes and things
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: that in this day and age it's just like I
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: mean it's just not a big deal it's not like
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: we thought of her as a harlot you know a
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: harlot or whatever because she did that Right.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. No, the story is a little broader. It's about betrayal.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: It's about friendships. It's about everything that went on before
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: that video was shared.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: So now she just awaits and sees. So the decision
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: has to be made whether it's accepted and dismissed or
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: she has to do the three appellate thing pretty soon?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I would expect a ruling on either Tom's demur or
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: her anti-slap motion to happen within the next six months.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: And then no matter who wins or loses, you can
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: expect an appeal. The loser of an anti-slap motion always
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: appeals to get a better result from the court of appeal.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: The other thing is Tom Sandoval is not the beacon
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: of morality or whatever. But one thing I am on
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: his side about is that this is.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: A 28-year-old woman.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Who knew Tom for six or seven years she'd been
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: on the show as another guy's girlfriend and then fiance.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: And yes, did I think.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: She was manipulated the way one person can manipulate a partner,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: whether that's a girl to a guy or a guy
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: to a girl?
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Anyone can lie.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Anyone can try to make you feel like there's something
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: more going on or less.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Going on or whatever.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: But throwing the word around like grooming, like I was groomed,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I think is– And I think that's unfair to true children.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: I feel like the word should be only used for children.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: It's emotionally charged and politically charged term that needs to
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: be reserved for appropriate circumstances.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a 39-year-old guy with a 28-year-old woman who
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: was having an affair while they're filming a reality show.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: In the jacuzzi. Like, yeah, that was all bad, but
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. It's not like.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: And the thing is, the other part is that I
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: think kind of is helping Tom's reputation and maybe people
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: wanting to forgive him is that he really did care
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: about her. He actually wanted it to continue. He wanted
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: her to get out of the rehabilitation place and continue
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: a relationship with him. So it wasn't like he just
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: used her for a storyline or used her and threw
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: her away.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And then afterwards she was like, what? I thought you
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: said we're going to be together. It was the opposite.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: She dumped him.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's another aspect of the tragedy which makes the
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: public interested in this. Yeah. And think about this. You
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: were talking about how retrospectively people were looking at her
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: questions about, hey, how's your sex life? And at the
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: time that conversation didn't mean anything.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Think about all the hours and hours and hours of
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Bravo unaired footage that might now be relevant to some
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: of the backstory here preceding that tape and how discovering
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: depositions about that footage might bring other issues to light
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: that we haven't seen. Right.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: That could either benefit Rachel or Tom or Ariana. And
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: so maybe that is why Rachel's attorneys are throwing the
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Bravo and the Andy to maybe make them nervous. Is
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: there any world– in which legally that being just named Bravo,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: being named in there but not a defendant, that they
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: could pick up the phone, NBCUniversal, and say to Rachel's attorney,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: for the sake of everybody involved, two of our cast members,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Rachel's mental health, everyone wanting to move on, we would
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: like to offer whatever, $ 300, 000 to Rachel. to dismiss this herself?
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Is it too late to do that? Is that something
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: that someone could do?
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: It's theoretically possible. I imagine the folks at NBC would
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: be hesitant to open the doors towards liability in other
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: situations because these settlements always get out. They're never confidential.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: They're never private. So NBC would then be opening, and
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Bravo would be opening themselves up to other situations and
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: other lawsuits on all their shows. So I don't think
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: it's likely that that kind of scenario will happen. But
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: I will say this, the moment NBC and their lawyers
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: saw the complaint and saw All the references to Cohen
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: and Bravo, they immediately had a duty to start preserving
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: all of that footage and anything, text messages and all
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: of the computer data about the show.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Between producers and talent and everything.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's going to be a financial impact to
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: NBC and Bravo and Cohen, even if they're never sued.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Just in terms of the evidence preservation, I'm sure they're
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: going to be deposed. I wouldn't be surprised if Cohen's
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: not deposed. Yeah.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: And what would Cohen have to say? He wasn't a producer.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I could see a producer being deposed.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: But why would Andy Cohen have to as just someone
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: who did interviews on Watch What Happens Live and did
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: the reunion?
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Well, the ability to discover in California is very broad.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: You don't have to have a specific reason to depose
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: someone if you just have a plausible reason. And who knows?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe there'll be something found on these unaired tapes that
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: will potentially impact a communication relationship. or a video involving Cohen.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting he did anything wrong, but that he
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: might be a witness to something.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: So, you know, speaking of.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Which, the night of discovery of the cheating happened when
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Sheena Shea and Rachel, who were also acting like best
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: buddies on Watch What I'm Live, Annie Cohen's TV show,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: they were on the show that night. Then afterwards, they
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: were at a bar in New York. That is when
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Rachel said to Sheena very nonchalantly, oh, Ariana just found out. Anyway,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: I forgot to tell you, I've been having an affair
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: with Tom Sandoval for seven months.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: And that's when Sheena was just so like, wait, what?
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: And got very upset with Rachel.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: And then Rachel went on to say that she physically
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: scratched her.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: And she threatened to have a restraining order and all
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: this stuff.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: But then the day that.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: that Sheena showed up in Van Nuys Court to defend
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: herself so that that restraining order would not be granted
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: and she wouldn't have that on her record, Rachel then
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: decided not to show up.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: And, you know, and nobody, there was no witnesses or whatever.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, in this alley of where they had this argument,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: was there a, you know, camera in an alley?
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Probably, but this is eight months later.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: So unless they asked for it that day, and again,
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: it wasn't like someone got murdered. And now my other
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: question is because you talk about the California thing.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: So the fact that that.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Rachel was physically in New York City when Ariana texted
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: her from.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: California, does that matter at all?
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: That then if she sent the video from her phone
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: in California to a person physically in New York to
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: her phone in New York. Does that not matter because
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: the phone was originally bought and set up in California
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: or does it matter where you are when you receive it?
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Let me give you a lawyer answer.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Yes. Okay.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: As long as one of the phones was in California
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: or as long as one of the defendants lived in California,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: there's a good faith argument to bring the case in California. Now,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: New York has a pretty robust anti-slap law.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: As well.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: As well.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Keep in mind, lawyers will jockey for different states
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: depending on the strength of anti-SLAPP laws. You know, Johnny
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Depp and Amber Heard.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: That case was filed in Virginia. At the time, they
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: had a very weak anti-SLAPP law.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: But how did they get Virginia then?
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Washington Post has a connection. I'm not sure if their
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: corporation is domiciled there. Washington Post was.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: And they were the ones that published her op-ed.
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's why, by the way, I'm a big
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: fan of this proposal in Congress sitting around to make
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: a national anti-SLAPP law so that everybody has this protection.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: There's a little less gamesmanship with lawyers trying to pick
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: which state to file in.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: And so and then the other big thing about suing
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: for defamation, somebody said on a podcast, let's say, you know,
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: you're a liar, you're an awful person, you're a thief, whatever,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: something like that. someone says something like that, and then
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: someone would be like, oh my God, they said this
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: lie about you, you should sue for defamation. It's my
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: knowledge that, first of all, that's a lot of effort
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: and work, but also I would have to prove that
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: because that person said that lie about me, I lost
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: a $ 1 million deal selling jeans.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: And I was just about to do a jean deal,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: and then this came out and they wrote, due to.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: this, we don't want to do your denim deal with you.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: And then that would be proof enough that I absolutely
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: lost a job because of a lie that was said.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you could probably prove the loss, but it's
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the causation part that's hard to prove that you lost
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: that particular deal because of that particular comment. But the
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: harder thing is, look, you're famous. Public figures have a
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: higher burden of proof when going to court and suing
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: for defamation. You got to prove that the person who
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: said something bad about you at the time they said
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: the statement knew what they were saying was false or
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: had reckless disregard of as to whether it was false.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: And it's really hard to crawl inside someone's head and
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: figure out, you know, nobody writes a memo saying, I
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: don't believe what I'm saying about Heather McDonald. So that's
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the biggest, it's called actual malice. There's New York Times
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Sullivan case. And that's the biggest barrier to famous people
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: filing defamation lawsuits.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: And, uh, so speaking of which, I just thought of
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: another thing that just came up this week. Have you
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: heard of the documentary Quiet on Set?
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: So, you know, Dan Schneider was a big producer on
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: that Nickelodeon show. And the gist of it is mostly
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: about Drake Bell, who was a victim of, you know—
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: sexual assault, molestation from his acting teacher who was employed
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: by Nickelodeon and that whole thing. But there were other
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: accounts saying of how Dan Schneider ran his room as
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: a showrunner. Nobody's accusing him of anything like I was
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: molested by.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Nobody's saying that.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: But they shared their stories about him as a producer
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: in the kind of room that he ran and that
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: it was toxic or odd or whatever, lots of sexual
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: innuendos and stuff on the show. He then did a
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: 16-minute video– Saying, I apologize. I'm sorry that this ever happened.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: If people felt this way, whatever. He has now filed
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: a defamation lawsuit. Oh, wow.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Saying that he felt it was a hit piece against him.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: And so a lot of.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: The comments under that story were like, well, now the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: people that were holding back, they might get- Here they come.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: They might get deposed by the production company. To have
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: to say, hey, I worked for him, and these five weird,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: awful things happened. Because a lot of those people, I
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: had one of the writers on my show, and she
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: still was like being, and she was featured on the show,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: Christie Stratton, and she.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Was still so terrified just in speaking about her own experience.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: But all these other writers didn't go on the documentary
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: out of fear of the retaliation that Dan Schneider would
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: do for them.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: So now they might be like, fuck it. You know what?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell everything. Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, I kind of poo-pooed
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: the anti-slap motion in this case. If that Netflix case
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: involves a complaint for defamation against Netflix, you can.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: 100% I think they were on Discovery.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, on Discovery.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Discovery Network, yeah.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: You can 100% guarantee there'll be an anti-SLAPP motion because
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: that is a First Amendment issue. When you put on
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: a documentary about harmful conduct to kids, that's in the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: public interest. So the people who filed that lawsuit will
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: have to prove probably actual malice. They've got to prove damages.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: They've got to prove a lot of things to get
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: past an anti-SLAPP motion.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: So before we wrap up, we had our own case
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: that you.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Helped us out with. And I'll just explain it and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: then we can tell what happened. Okay.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: So I'm good friends with Josh Flagg, who is a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: member of Million Dollar Listing. And this was shortly after, like,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: January 6th, COVID time, whatever, around then.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I can't remember what happened first or whatever, but he
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: was kind of doing a lot of like man on
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: the street type of stuff. And he saw that there
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: was like this patriotic kind of anti-vaxxer situation happening in
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Beverly Hills.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: And so he went and he like interviewed this woman.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: And then he was like, well, you know, come on,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: come in my backyard and I'll interview.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: So he does an interview with her again. And then he,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: It gets revealed that she was arrested for being part
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: of the January 6th insurrection.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Not just arrested. Let me just interject here. If you
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: were at home watching this on TV, you saw a
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: woman with mascara running after tear gas. She was, for me,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: the face of J6 in the sense that she was
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: on every TV station with that image.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: So that was discovered after he did this interview with her.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: And so then he comes on my show. And I go,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: wait a minute. What was that? You did that crazy
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: interview with that woman. What happened? And he goes, oh,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: my gosh.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: You know, I found out later that she was arrested
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: in connection with being there on January 6th. And then
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: he jokingly said, I was harboring little did I know
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: I was harboring a terrorist in my backyard, joking, you know.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: And so we're like, oh, I never remember saying her
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: name or anything. And then she sued me.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: TMZ, Harvey Levin, Josh, a whole bunch of other folks
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: for defamation and all sorts of crazy legal theories.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: And so then what happened once we handed it to you?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Fortunately, you live in California.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: You called me and we filed an anti-slap motion. She
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: put up what evidence she could. She didn't have any.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: First of all, the claims were time barred. Second of all,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: you didn't say anything false.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: What does time barred mean?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Uh, you got one year to sue for defamation from
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: when the words were said and she sued you well
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: after a year.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: But also you didn't say anything false. You didn't commit
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: defamation and it was a newsworthy topic. And, uh, so
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: the case was dismissed and the court ordered her to
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: pay all of your attorney's fees. And now she's still
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: on house arrest waiting for, um, her, uh, criminal trial date.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I took her deposition, uh, She showed up with a
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: ankle bracelet, you know, one of those home monitoring things.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: I've never seen one of those before. And by the way,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: nice woman, genuinely believes in her cause, but she had
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: no business suing you.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think people need to know when you
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: do that or when an attorney maybe talks you into
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: it or takes your case, that there are some real
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: repercussions of like doing this.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: It's a reckless thing to do, to sue someone. for
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: the sake of suing someone. Some people I think love
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: it and it's fun for them.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: And it's like, that's why I like this law because
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: it shouldn't, it's not fun when you're unrightfully sued for something.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: It's a horrible, horrible nightmare that can be like really debilitating.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: It's stressful. It's drain on your energy and you still
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: have to pay some money while you're waiting for the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: rightful outcome. And there's always the idea that you never
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: know if you'll get a judge who doesn't know the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: law and you might lose. Right. But there are consequences,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: at least in California, for aiming first or shooting first
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: and aiming second and filing a lawsuit that you have
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: no business filing. Gina's lawyer should have taken her aside.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: And said, yeah, this is... That's the woman, the January
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: 6th woman. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Gina's lawyer should have taken her aside and said, this
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: is awful what happened to you. Yeah, Heather's a bad person,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: but we're not going to file this lawsuit. You can't
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: sue someone for saying something on a podcast.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: That's what should have happened.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Right. Very interesting. As podcasts become more and more popular....
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just interesting where then sometimes when podcasters
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: are like, I'm going to do it. I'm like, I'm
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: going to sue. I'm like, listen, we want to have
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: First Amendment rights here. We're all want to talk about
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: things as we can. And yes, say allegedly before, but
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: and and show the reference and all of that, which
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: I try.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: To do more and more. But, you know, we don't want.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: This to be a place where like no one can
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: say anything out of fear of like, oh, you said
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: I was mean at a party or whatever, you know?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Lawsuits are a terrible remedy for mean thoughts and mean statements. Instead,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: start your own podcast and say the truth and let
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: the ideas fight it out in the arena of public
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: opinion rather than hiring a lawyer to file a lawsuit.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: And then just like how these– so many of these
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: things now come up because of the internet and– anonymous
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  Speaker 3: people that write things on blind items, Twitter, you know,
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  Speaker 3: all these anonymous things. And then it gets out, oh, we,
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  Speaker 3: you know, oh, it's all the internet that your husband's cheating.
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  Speaker 3: And they, they either plant it or they wait, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for then the cameras to be there. And then they
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  Speaker 3: can go, oh, look, I just opened up Twitter or
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  Speaker 3: X or whatever. And there's this person saying, you know,
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  Speaker 3: JoJo 29.5, that so-and-so's husband is rumored to be a cheater.
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  Speaker 3: And then that becomes a storyline. And that's the other
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: thing you have to realize when you accept to be
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  Speaker 3: on the show. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That there can be these other elements.
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  Speaker 3: That it's not just how you behave at a party
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  Speaker 3: that can be used against you or what you say
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  Speaker 3: in your words. in your home to your wife while
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: having coffee. It can be all these other elements that
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  Speaker 3: then the other cast members then talk about these fake
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  Speaker 3: stories and rumors.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Which would have died without the show. Well, no one
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: would know who you are, but also without the show,
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  Speaker 3: it would have just died on that small person's platform,
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  Speaker 3: you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's your audience, but you got
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  Speaker 2: to be crazy to sign up for one of these
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  Speaker 2: shows if you value your privacy. Yeah. Because everything is
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: on the table, including innuendo, stuff that has no basis
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  Speaker 2: in fact. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Tell everybody where they can find you if they need
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  Speaker 3: legal help in any way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my name's Jeff Lewis. I don't flip houses. They
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  Speaker 2: can find me at jefflewislaw.com.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. The car is beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Where did you end up going for it? This exclusive
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: place that Dad has connections with.
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  Speaker 4: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: It's Dune ADL.
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 1: Dune ADL. Dunediel? There's an accent on the E. Do
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: you mean... Yes, I got it on Dunediel Cars. Lift? Please.
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  Speaker 1: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage! No. Dunediel Cars.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.