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- 0:00What if fisheries didn't rely on
- 0:02last-minute political negotiations?
- 0:04What if we already knew exactly how much
- 0:07fish could be caught
- 0:09before the season even started?
- 0:12No guesswork, no
- 0:13lobbying battles, no delays.
- 0:16Just science, rules,
- 0:18and then of course action.
- 0:20That's what harvest
- 0:20strategies are designed to do.
- 0:22And they're one of the biggest reasons
- 0:24why we saw such an
- 0:26important result come to fruition
- 0:30in the tuna fishing industry this year.
- 0:32We're going to talk more about that on
- 0:34Friday with the International Seafood
- 0:37Sustainability
- 0:37Foundation's President Susan Jackson.
- 0:40She's going to talk about their latest
- 0:42state of the stock report.
- 0:43But in the meantime, we're going to go
- 0:45over harvest strategies and why they
- 0:46played such an important role.
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- 1:12Fisheries management followed a
- 1:14predictable pattern.
- 1:15Scientists would run stock assessments
- 1:17and say, hey, we need to reduce fishing.
- 1:19But the governments would meet, negotiate
- 1:21and often compromise.
- 1:24Not based on science, based on politics.
- 1:25And to be honest, I hate to say it.
- 1:28It still happens today.
- 1:31And you know, that led and it continues
- 1:33to lead to problems.
- 1:35And at one point, only 66 percent of the
- 1:37tuna catch came from stocks not
- 1:40experiencing overfishing.
- 1:41So the system existed, but it wasn't
- 1:44working fast enough.
- 1:46And that gap between science and decision
- 1:49making is exactly what harvest strategies
- 1:52were designed to fix.
- 1:53Now, one thing that's that's interesting
- 1:56when you look at the cod fisheries just
- 1:58to compare fishery, the collapse of the
- 2:00cod fishery in the early 1990s didn't
- 2:02just happen in the 1990s.
- 2:04It started to happen 15 years before that
- 2:07or even before that.
- 2:09But within those the 70s and 80s, we had
- 2:12stock assessments done every year.
- 2:14And we knew scientists, new government
- 2:16scientists were saying, hey, by the way,
- 2:18this stock is not doing very well.
- 2:19You know, Haddock and Halibut weren't
- 2:21doing very well either. And they started
- 2:23to decline and they were declining pretty
- 2:25fast until the early 1990s when fishing
- 2:27experts and scientists were like, you
- 2:29know what, we can't fish this anymore.
- 2:31We're going to have to close the fishery.
- 2:33And that led to a huge uproar in
- 2:36Newfoundland and other areas and other
- 2:38provinces in Canada that fully, full
- 2:42fledgedly relied on cod fishery.
- 2:45Right. That was their big thing. After
- 2:48that, their families, the next
- 2:50generations had to switch
- 2:52industries and do something else.
- 2:54A lot of them went into the oil and gas
- 2:55industry, not an industry
- 2:56that they wanted to go into.
- 2:58They want to go into the fisheries
- 2:59industry, but they were led to believe
- 3:01that everything was fine.
- 3:02Maybe a little bit of pressure from the
- 3:04fisheries unions and so forth.
- 3:06But it just those political decisions
- 3:07just didn't help in any kind of way. So
- 3:10to make sure that management is done
- 3:12properly, harvest strategies in the tuna
- 3:14fishing industry have been
- 3:15put into place. So what is a harvest
- 3:18strategy? It's a simple concept.
- 3:21Essentially what it is, it's a pre-age
- 3:22set of rules. Instead of negotiating
- 3:24every year, managers decide in advance.
- 3:28If the fish stock is healthy, we can
- 3:30increase the catch. If the stock
- 3:32declines, we reduce the catch. If it
- 3:35drops too low, strict limits are kicked
- 3:37in. So based on these rules, there are
- 3:40certain actions that the fisheries
- 3:42management can take.
- 3:43Instead of debating what to do, the
- 3:46system already knows what to do because
- 3:48they follow science as the guide.
- 3:51Imagine if the science says and continues
- 3:55to say that the cod fishery is not doing
- 3:57very well. Not as well as we think. Right
- 4:00now, present day in Canada, the cod
- 4:02fishery is not doing well.
- 4:03So the scientists come out and say, hey,
- 4:06you know what, it grew but it didn't grow
- 4:07significantly. Actually, one year it
- 4:10stayed the same. So what do we do? We
- 4:12should stop. We shouldn't increase the
- 4:14quota. We should probably reduce it a
- 4:16little bit because we know that it's
- 4:17going to start declining
- 4:18if we continue at this rate.
- 4:20And then the government turns around and
- 4:21goes and negotiates and says, hey, you
- 4:23know what? We're actually going to
- 4:24increase. We're going to allow offshore
- 4:26cod stocks to be fished. Well, that
- 4:29doesn't make sense, right? Now you're
- 4:31laying offshore boats to fish cod. You're
- 4:33going to start to see a decrease because
- 4:35the science is saying that it's not going
- 4:37to increase anytime soon. It could
- 4:38decrease with the fishing pressure that
- 4:40we have now. If they follow the harvest
- 4:42strategies, if the stock starts to
- 4:44decline or stays the same, then the
- 4:46limits don't change. They don't add
- 4:48another fishery on top of that. So they're going to increase.
- 4:49So it's basically looking at the set of
- 4:52rules, right? It's a very simple process.
- 4:54And the thing is, it works. You know,
- 4:57harvest strategies work because they
- 4:58change the system in three big ways.
- 5:01First, they remove politics out of it,
- 5:03which makes it so, so, so much easier.
- 5:07Second, they respond faster because they
- 5:09know what action to take.
- 5:10They already, it's already predetermined.
- 5:13And third, they rely on data, like actual
- 5:16scientific data. They go out and observe,
- 5:19they collect the data, field data, they
- 5:20do it with the proper methods, and then
- 5:22they act on what the
- 5:23data tells them to do.
- 5:25Now, today, we're starting to see that
- 5:26success, which we're going to talk about
- 5:28on Friday with Susan Jackson. And it's,
- 5:30it's not a small improvement. It's a
- 5:32huge, huge improvement. It's really a
- 5:34system level shift. That's the, that's
- 5:36the big thing that you're going to hear
- 5:38on Friday. And I think it's,
- 5:39I think it's really important.
- 5:39This type of harvest strategy, it just
- 5:42doesn't come out out of thin air, right?
- 5:44Just didn't happen because one
- 5:46organization, it happened because an
- 5:48alignment across an entire system. So the
- 5:51International Seafood Sustainability
- 5:52Foundation helped fund and
- 5:54improve stock assessments.
- 5:55They brought industry data into the
- 5:58science models. They push for science
- 6:00based decisions and the United Voices
- 6:02across the supply chain. That's a huge
- 6:05thing to do. Not many people have been
- 6:06able to do that in the past. To be able
- 6:08to come forward with that,
- 6:09and I mean, ISSF is in itself, you know,
- 6:14supported and represented by the supply
- 6:18chain, not the Fishers, but the supply
- 6:20chain. And there's science scientists
- 6:22involved. There's policymakers involved.
- 6:24There's a whole bunch of people,
- 6:25industry, industry exacts and so forth
- 6:28involved. It's a, it's a big deal. And to
- 6:31be able to put all that information, put
- 6:33all of that effort into making the system
- 6:35better and to shift like this and to get
- 6:37to results that we're going to discuss on Friday.
- 6:37I think is even better. So even companies
- 6:41that like share detailed purchase data,
- 6:45which you never get to improve
- 6:46assessment. That's a huge, huge deal
- 6:48because better data leads to better
- 6:51management, especially when you have
- 6:52these harvest strategies in place, right?
- 6:55So another major driver was market
- 6:58pressure. So the Marine Stewardship
- 6:59Council certification process requires
- 7:02that they have harvest strategies and
- 7:05their science based management. So fisheries that are available, they're available.
- 7:06So fisheries that wanted certification
- 7:08had to adapt. So and they did in 2012
- 7:12100,000 tons of tuna were certified today
- 7:152.5 million tons, about half of the
- 7:19global catch is certified. That's a huge
- 7:21shift, right? Not in a lot of like in a
- 7:24very small amount of time, especially
- 7:25when you consider how things have changed
- 7:27over the years and over
- 7:28the decades with fisheries.
- 7:30So it shows that markets can actually
- 7:34drive conservation, just like we talked
- 7:35about last week with businesses, right?
- 7:37How they can scale and how they can move
- 7:39things faster. But fishers weren't just
- 7:42out of the process. They were also
- 7:44included in the process and and they are
- 7:46not separate from this story.
- 7:48You know, they're actually central to it.
- 7:50So they pushed for certification. They
- 7:53advocated to governments and they change
- 7:55practices on the water because at the end
- 7:58of the day, if nothing changes at sea,
- 8:01nothing changes at all.
- 8:02And eventually we're going to start to
- 8:03see the extirpation or even extinction of
- 8:06tuna because of fisheries. We do not want
- 8:08tuna to be overfished by any means.
- 8:13So this is bigger than than just tuna,
- 8:15though. Harvest strategies prove
- 8:17something important. Fisheries can
- 8:19recover, systems can improve and
- 8:21collaboration works. It's
- 8:23really what it comes down to.
- 8:24But only if science is followed, rules
- 8:27are clear and accountability exists. This
- 8:30is what real ocean protection looks like.
- 8:32It's about collaboration, science and
- 8:34action. That's what it
- 8:36really comes down to.
- 8:37And I love this process. I wish we could
- 8:40see it more because we're not finished,
- 8:41right? Some of the gaps that we see
- 8:44within this. These harvest strategies
- 8:45remain like not all stocks have fully
- 8:48implemented harvest strategy.
- 8:49So we need to make sure that the tuna
- 8:50fishing stocks have that monitoring and
- 8:52compliance need improvement technology
- 8:55like electronic monitoring is underused
- 8:57and climate change is
- 8:58reshaping ecosystems.
- 9:00The next milestone is clear. 100% of the
- 9:02tuna stocks must have fully tested
- 9:04harvest strategies. So all the rules need
- 9:06to be put in place. All the actions need
- 9:08to be put in place depending on what the
- 9:10results are from the scientific data. So
- 9:12not just planned, it
- 9:13has to be working 100%.
- 9:14Harvest strategies turn fisheries
- 9:17management from reactive into proactive.
- 9:21And that is a huge mind shift for a lot
- 9:23of fisheries. It removes all the
- 9:25guesswork, right? They reduce conflict.
- 9:28And when applied properly, they work at
- 9:31bringing back fisheries. It works. We've
- 9:33seen it in a bunch of different tuna
- 9:34fisheries where we're going to talk about
- 9:37on Friday. It's such an important aspect.
- 9:40So I want you to really think about what
- 9:42harvest rates are because you know, a lot
- 9:43of times if I say harvest strategies are
- 9:45important, you probably like how does
- 9:46this actually matter if you want tuna to
- 9:48continue and you want
- 9:49other fish to continue.
- 9:51Harvest strategy should be in every
- 9:53fishery, every wild fishery harvest
- 9:55should be in whether it's ocean or
- 9:57freshwater. I strongly believe that rules
- 9:59should be put in place. It should be
- 10:00guided by science and it should be bought
- 10:02in by every part of the process.
- 10:05And we're seeing it here where
- 10:07organizations are coming together,
- 10:09industries coming together, scientists
- 10:11are coming together under one umbrella to
- 10:13work together. And the guidance is
- 10:15provided by the International Seafood
- 10:17Sustainability Foundation, which we love
- 10:19to have that. We're going to hear more
- 10:20about that in on Friday in two days from
- 10:25Susan Jackson, who's the president of
- 10:26ISSF. She's going to be talking about the
- 10:28big result that they got, but also about
- 10:30harvest strategies,
- 10:31stock assessments and more.
- 10:33So if you don't want to miss that
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- 10:39tomorrow because we're going to be
- 10:39talking about more fun
- 10:41stuff about tuna stocks.
- 10:43And it's going to be important. It's
- 10:44always important. It's always important
- 10:45to you, especially if you like seafood.
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- 10:51podcast. I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
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