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Full Show Podcast: 16 December 2025 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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Speaker 1: early Erediship with our the Supercenter, explore our the successories
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Speaker 2: That'd be well, good morning to you and welcome to
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Speaker 2: the program coming up over the next hour. It's high
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Speaker 2: FU time the half yearly economic financial update. So what
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Speaker 2: sort of snapshot can we expect. Brad Olson's joining me
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Speaker 2: in five minutes. There's more complaints than ever about lawyers,
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Speaker 2: So are our lawyers getting worse or are we holding
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Speaker 2: them to better account? We'll have that story in ten.
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Speaker 2: Some notes on Bondai through the show, and just before six,
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Speaker 2: how can we do a better job of spoorting the
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Speaker 2: bad guys? Donald Demayo will be joining us from Australia.
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Speaker 2: We'll have correspondence from right around New Zealand and news
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Speaker 2: as it breaks, and you can have your say by
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Speaker 2: sending me a text. The number is ninety two ninety two.
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Speaker 2: Small charge applies. It's seven after five the agenda, so
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Speaker 2: it's Tuesday, the sixteenth of December. Australia's Prime Minister says
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Speaker 2: the National Cabinet has a read to tougher gun laws
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Speaker 2: after Bondai.
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Speaker 3: By saying that the government is prepared to take whatever
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Speaker 3: action is necessary. Included in that is the need for
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Speaker 3: tougher gun laws. Tougher gun laws including limits on the
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Speaker 3: number of guns that can be used or licensed by individuals.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, that Bondai Beach locals have been paying respects to
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Speaker 2: the victims. Fifteen people died, including a ten year old girl,
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Speaker 2: and a further forty two people were taken to hospital.
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Speaker 4: So lucky down here, and I think that the community
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Speaker 4: is going to recover and I just hope that it
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Speaker 4: just brings all of Australians together, no matter where they
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Speaker 4: come from. And you know, we don't need to worry
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Speaker 4: about what happens overseas. Australia is somewhere that's.
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Speaker 2: You know, the best place to live. Meanwhile, to the
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Speaker 2: United States that a man hunt has resumed and can
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Speaker 2: with a deadly shooting at Brown University, officials say a
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Speaker 2: person of interest is in fact going to be released
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Speaker 2: from detention.
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Speaker 5: We know that this is likely to cause fresh anxiety
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Speaker 5: for our community and we want to reiterate what we
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Speaker 5: said earlier, which remains true, which is ever since the
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Speaker 5: initial call, now a day and a half ago. We
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Speaker 5: have not received any credible or specific threats to the
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Speaker 5: Providence community.
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Speaker 2: And finally, Hollywood director and actor Rob Reiner are meat
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Speaker 2: head in all of the family and his wife Michelle
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Speaker 2: have been found dead in their Los Angeles home. Rhiner
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Speaker 2: is known for directing several great films When Harry met
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Speaker 2: Sally This is Spinal Tap, The Princess Bride. He also
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Speaker 2: started Castle Rock, the company that made Shawshank Redemption. It's
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Speaker 2: take You to the Scene.
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Speaker 6: Police say that when they arrived they saw that there
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Speaker 6: were two bodies in the home, But what they told
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Speaker 6: us at this press conference is that they were unable
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Speaker 6: to actually go into the home because they're still waiting
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Speaker 6: to get a search warrant to go and investigate the
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Speaker 6: crime scene. So at this press conference, people are wondering,
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Speaker 6: are you looking for a suspect? Is there a suspect?
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Speaker 2: Well, news just throw on that police have arrested his
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Speaker 2: son Nick. He's thirty two years old. He is in
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Speaker 2: jail and on a four million dollar bail. It's nine
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Speaker 2: after five.
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Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew
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Speaker 1: Dickens and are the Supercenter explore are these accessories and
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Speaker 2: Me, so I made of mine? Got laid off Monday
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Speaker 2: last week, May redundant, thrown on the scrap heap at
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Speaker 2: the age of sixty three, at the top of his career,
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Speaker 2: his experience and ability. Obviously, his employers must have known that,
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Speaker 2: but they needed to cut costs. So cut costs they did.
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Speaker 2: But firstly, why did they have to do that a
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Speaker 2: few weeks before Christmas? It's the worst Christmas present ever?
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Speaker 2: Has it happened to you? It's adding an insult on
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Speaker 2: top of injury. Now my mate has to go into
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Speaker 2: the festive cs and unsure of his future, and doubly
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Speaker 2: so because there'll be no new opportunities cropping up in January.
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Speaker 2: As the holiday season stretches on. Some may argue that
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Speaker 2: after the disappointment of losing your job, the festive season
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Speaker 2: might lift your spirits and remind you that there's more
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Speaker 2: to life than just your job. But others argue the
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Speaker 2: Christmas cull we see so often negatively impacts not just
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Speaker 2: the ones laid off, but also the employees left standing
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Speaker 2: in a hollowed out company. It ruins everyone's holidays and
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Speaker 2: motivation and spirits. To me, the Christmas layoffs are evidence
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Speaker 2: of a company panicking and trying to get on a
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Speaker 2: benefooting for the start of the calendar year. But if
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Speaker 2: they're already that far down the track, it shows a
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Speaker 2: lack of foresight. It also demonstrates the number of senior
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Speaker 2: management who don't really have a clue on how to survive,
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Speaker 2: and they then fall back on that simplistic mantra cut
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Speaker 2: costs by cutting staff. So there was a fascinating story
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Speaker 2: warding all about this in the paper over the weekend,
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Speaker 2: and it said the management grabs hold of redundancies and
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Speaker 2: restructs to solve problems without realizing their true costs. Redundancy
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Speaker 2: payments and restructuring costs are big and often take an
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Speaker 2: economic year to absorb. In many cases, it leaves the
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Speaker 2: company in a worse position than they were before the
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Speaker 2: cash flow crisis that so often spark these things. It
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Speaker 2: often perversely leaves them understaff for growth. Cutting staff costs
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Speaker 2: often cut revenue opportunities and the company is left no
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Speaker 2: better off. So if you are a boss and you're
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Speaker 2: about to play the Grinch at Christmas and become that
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Speaker 2: detested person who takes away livelihoods, take a beat have
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Speaker 2: a think and maybe think that maybe it's not the
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Speaker 2: number of staff you have or what they're paid, but
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Speaker 2: your lack of ability to make money with the ones
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Speaker 2: you've got, and maybe you should be changing that first
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Speaker 2: before you break an employee's heart, as it Bestrive up five.
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Speaker 2: So the Hiphu's coming up today. The government opens their
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Speaker 2: books Thursday, we find out the GDP figures. I can
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Speaker 2: tell you that economists, and there's loads of stories about this,
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Speaker 2: are expecting the third quarter to be way better than
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Speaker 2: we had hope for. So that might be some good
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Speaker 2: news on Thursday. What might happen today? Brad Olsen is
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Speaker 2: joining us.
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Speaker 1: Next Views and Views you Trust to start your day.
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Speaker 1: It's earlier this ship with Andrew Dickins and r V
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Speaker 7: That'd be well.
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Speaker 2: It's fourteen after five. Later today, the government's going to
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Speaker 2: open their books and let us take a look inside.
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Speaker 2: It's called the HYPHO, the half year the Economic and
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Speaker 2: Fiscal Update. How much money did the government get in
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Speaker 2: in tax and how are they spending it? It'll give
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Speaker 2: us a clearer idea of just how back on track
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Speaker 2: we are. Brad Olsen is the Inframetric's chief executive and joinsy.
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Speaker 2: Now hallo, Brad, good morning. So what do you reckon?
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Speaker 2: It's going to be good news or bad news. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of people talking that the third quarter
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Speaker 2: was pretty good.
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Speaker 8: That's right. We have started to see a number of
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Speaker 8: I guess economic indicators that have started to show a
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Speaker 8: tune up, which is important. But of course the Treasury
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Speaker 8: would have done their forecast based on what we had
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Speaker 8: up until the second quarter, which was certainly a more
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Speaker 8: challenging period for the economy. Realistically, the economic recovery that
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Speaker 8: Treasury had been expecting through the course of twenty twenty
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Speaker 8: five hasn't been going as quickly as expected, and so
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Speaker 8: really from the high through today, we're expecting a bit
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Speaker 8: of a downgrade compared to what they said in the
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Speaker 8: budget in terms of how quickly the economic momentum is rebuilding.
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Speaker 8: And of course with that economic recovery taking longer, it
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Speaker 8: means that the government's not able to raise quite as
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Speaker 8: much tax revenue it's not seen as much spending or
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Speaker 8: anything else, but also has often had to incur higher expenses,
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Speaker 8: you know, higher benefit claims and similar. Long story short,
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Speaker 8: it probably means that the government has been in a forecast.
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Speaker 8: Who spend more and earn a little bit less than
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Speaker 8: we probably thought back at the budget.
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Speaker 2: This is the thing, isn't it. The tax, the tax income,
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Speaker 2: the revenue that is, that's about where we're actually fathing.
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Speaker 2: Because you can cut costs and government spending as much
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Speaker 2: as you like, but if of course your revenue is
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Speaker 2: going down as well, you end out just standing still.
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Speaker 8: Exactly, and I mean standing still in some senses, would
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Speaker 8: still be not a bad position. As it is. We know,
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Speaker 8: and this has of course been a big point of
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Speaker 8: contention in the last couple of weeks, that we're still
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Speaker 8: effectively having to borrow to pay for ongoing spending over
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Speaker 8: the next couple of years. You know, we're in deficit.
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Speaker 8: The government books are in deficit until the late twenty
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Speaker 8: twenties on the government's preferred measure there the over gar x,
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Speaker 8: and of course that means that New Zealand's debt over
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Speaker 8: time continues to accumulate. Now, the difficulty and the challenge
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Speaker 8: there is that at the same time, as clearly it
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Speaker 8: would be better to be in a surplus, there is
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Speaker 8: also the difficulty of a lot of decisions that have
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Speaker 8: been made over the last couple of years that have
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Speaker 8: to continue to be funded unless you are willing to
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Speaker 8: take some pretty serious services and similar away from people.
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Speaker 8: That's sort of where the balancing act is. And so
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Speaker 8: one of the questions we're trying to work out for
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Speaker 8: ourselves today looking through the numbers is what does the
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Speaker 8: government do heading into an election year budget budget twenty
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Speaker 8: twenty six. You know, sometimes there expectations from some quarters
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Speaker 8: for more of a spend up, but if the government
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Speaker 8: books aren't looking quite as slash, there's also a reasonable
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Speaker 8: expectation that the government might say, look, we were going
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Speaker 8: to spend X amount of money, but now we're going
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Speaker 8: to spend less than that to try and keep a
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Speaker 8: bit more control there. It is a fine balancing act.
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Speaker 2: It's ethie if you had to bet on Nikola versus
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Speaker 2: Ruth Hoodwin, I.
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Speaker 8: Don't like getting into that one. I mean, put it
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Speaker 8: this way, I'm a lot more interested in the actual
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Speaker 8: numbers and where they've gone. I mean, one of the
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Speaker 8: challenges of the last couple of years is given how
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Speaker 8: high wage inflation previously has been one of the reasons
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Speaker 8: you've seen an increase in government spending over the last
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Speaker 8: couple of years is because the single biggest line item,
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Speaker 8: New Zealand Super, continues to go up. I mean, Andrew,
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Speaker 8: we still spend more money on New Zealand Super each
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Speaker 8: and every year than the entire education budget in New Zealand.
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Speaker 8: Like in ter of making changes, that's probably the biggest discording.
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Speaker 8: You can make little nips and bucks here and there
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Speaker 8: when it comes to the budget, but really unless you're
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Speaker 8: going to hit some of those biggest spending items, and
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Speaker 8: they're generally in that sort of social area, the likes
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Speaker 8: of superannuation and summer, you really aren't going to touch
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Speaker 8: the sides in terms of the big spending challenges.
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Speaker 2: Thank you Brad brad Olsen from Informetrics here on New Soalks.
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Speaker 2: Heb it's eighteen minutes after five. If you want some
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Speaker 2: good news after that, I think you do. A guy
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Speaker 2: called Harley James of Becker has been talking with Tim
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Speaker 2: Murphyett Newsroom about Auckland. Beck is a business involved in
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Speaker 2: most of the infrast projects in New Zealand. Anyway, Harley
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Speaker 2: reckons that good days are coming for the Queen City.
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Speaker 2: He says the opening of the rail thing the International
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Speaker 2: Convention Center. That are going to be major boosts for
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Speaker 2: the economy and the region. Becker also likes the new
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Speaker 2: resource management framework and the possibility of an Auckland City
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Speaker 2: regional deal with government, and he reckons all these things
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Speaker 2: will increase Auckland's productivity. He reckons projects will be completed faster,
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Speaker 2: Aucklanders will get more bang for their bucks in their eyes.
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Speaker 2: He's also excited about the four lane motorway to Northland
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Speaker 2: and building a dry dock up there. He's going great
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Speaker 2: guns here, we can Zalkland. We'll go great guns next year. Becker,
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Speaker 2: by the way, very interesting company. Four thousand people, seventy
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Speaker 2: five professional service disciplines, working across thirty countries. They've been
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Speaker 2: going for one hundred and five years. Their employee owned
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Speaker 2: and they actually have a formal mechanism for bringing younger
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Speaker 2: people into the ownership structure over time. And that may
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Speaker 2: be so, but what I like is they see good
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Speaker 2: times coming. It is five twenty. Our lawyers worse because
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Speaker 2: complaints are up. That story is next.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on early edition with r the Supercenter explore
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Speaker 2: Be five twenty two. There's been an eleven percent spike
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Speaker 2: and complaints to the Law Society about lawyers over the
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Speaker 2: past year. Most of the thirteen hundred complaints relate to
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Speaker 2: legal negligence or incompetence. Eighty percent lead nowhere. So Julianne Kincaid,
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Speaker 2: is the vice president and of the Law Association, joins me. Now, Hello, Julienne,
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Speaker 2: good morning. So is the rise in complaints because of
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Speaker 2: a rise in bad lawyers or is this sore loser clients.
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Speaker 9: I can't say why there's been a rising complaints, but
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Speaker 9: I would like to think that there would probably be
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Speaker 9: a variety of reasons there are. There's a wide spectrum
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Speaker 9: of things that people can complain about. Obviously, it goes
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Speaker 9: from an extreme end of very bad behavior of misconduct
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Speaker 9: which we cannot tolerate within the profession, through a lot
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Speaker 9: of things like bad communications or billing issues, and through
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Speaker 9: to right through to the other end of the spectrum,
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Speaker 9: which is a vexatious litigant client, sort of client who
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Speaker 9: will complain about every court. Yes, yes, it's a broad spectrum.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The Law Society says people are more educated on the
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Speaker 2: lord to to check deputy and AI and that leads
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Speaker 2: to us, so are we more educated or do we
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Speaker 2: just think.
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Speaker 9: We are a Look, I think that managing expectations is
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Speaker 9: always part of a lawyer's job and I can remember
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Speaker 9: even a long time ago, I'm a criminal lawyer in
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Speaker 9: England where people would particularly in prison, would talk to
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Speaker 9: each other and perhaps read up on the law and
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Speaker 9: then come to us and say, look, I think this,
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Speaker 9: and we have to have those conversations and we shouldn't
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Speaker 9: mind that. I actually welcome a client who's engaged in
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Speaker 9: doing their own research. But of course we are the
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Speaker 9: experts a little bit like if you go to the
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Speaker 9: doctor and you're going to look up your symptoms before
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Speaker 9: you go. When you go to the doctor and say
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Speaker 9: I think it's this, the doctor will then be able
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Speaker 9: to tell you because they're trained and have experienced.
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Speaker 2: So how do you make sure the lawyer you've got
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Speaker 2: is the right lawyer for you and a good one?
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Speaker 2: I mean, is there a my teacher dot com for lawyers?
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Speaker 2: Is there some way you can get advice? How do
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Speaker 2: you choose a lawyer?
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Speaker 9: I think, personally, and this is just my personal view,
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Speaker 9: that Doyle's Guide is a good way to start, because
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Speaker 9: that is one of those databases, which is actually other
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Speaker 9: lawyers saying who's a good lawyer. I think that's the
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Speaker 9: closest thing I can think about in that area. Of course,
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Speaker 9: we all google everybody nowadays you can look up and
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Speaker 9: see maybe if they've done other cases, what have they
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Speaker 9: been in the papers? But not all of our work
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Speaker 9: is published. A lot of what we do is obviously
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Speaker 9: very confidential, and that's quite right. So asking around is
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Speaker 9: always the best way. If you know people that have
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Speaker 9: been through similar experiences, it's always a good web doing.
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Speaker 2: And Concaid King's Counsel, thank you so much for your
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Speaker 2: time today and all your advice. By the way, there
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Speaker 2: was a legal conference in New York last week and
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Speaker 2: people were going with the rise of AI, does this
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Speaker 2: mean that lawyers are going to be unable to build
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Speaker 2: as much? And in fact the conference decern lawyers could
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Speaker 2: actually believe it more up to ten thousand dollars an
14:56
Speaker 2: hour because we're using AI, their legal advice is going
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Speaker 2: to be even better. They say, all right, it is
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Speaker 2: our five twenty five Some notes about BONDI.
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Speaker 2: News Talks, b five twenty seven. I was pretty blue yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday was a sad, morose day reflecting on what happened
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Speaker 2: in Bondai, the Jewish deaths and their horror, and it
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Speaker 2: was made worse by this never ending stream of video
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Speaker 2: coverage from every angle. Never has a massacre been as
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Speaker 2: documented and then distributed as this. It's the power of
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Speaker 2: citizens who basically have broadcast studios in their phones. Right now,
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Speaker 2: we have video after video spread by the very social
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Speaker 2: media that Australia banned for the under sixteenes this past week,
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Speaker 2: And we saw the victims, the dead and the dying,
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Speaker 2: and those being given CPR in their summer shorts, and
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Speaker 2: they flip flops ready for a day of family fund
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Speaker 2: by the sea. They looked like us because they are us,
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Speaker 2: and the father and the son. They have done remarkable,
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Speaker 2: portly fat on the life of comfort Australia has given them,
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Speaker 2: and yet they did what they did. The face of
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Speaker 2: evil is so often banal. Now are you beginning to
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Speaker 2: think these days that Winston Peters knew what he was
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Speaker 2: talking about when he refused to back a state of
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Speaker 2: Palestine earlier in the year. I was one of the
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Speaker 2: few who did agree. There is no state. There was
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Speaker 2: no governing authority or governance legitimacy. But underneath it all
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Speaker 2: there was no indication that the Palestinians wanted peace, and
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Speaker 2: his concern that her mass was still armed and recognition
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Speaker 2: could push her mass and their supporters to a more
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Speaker 2: hardened position. That's what Winston said. So in the wake
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Speaker 2: of the killings, there was a Jewish blok that I
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Speaker 2: saw on my phone in front of the dead and
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Speaker 2: the dying, and he let rip. He talked about October
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Speaker 2: the seventh, He talked about the harmas atrocity, and then
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Speaker 2: he railed about Alberanesi and all the other states and
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Speaker 2: statesmen who then sent money to Guardza and made virtue
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Speaker 2: signaling noises about state recognition and Lovererhold, what do we see?
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Speaker 2: An angry, empowered people, big grudge, still adopting a hardened position.
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Speaker 2: Benjaminette Nia, who wrote to Alberenzi back in August, He
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Speaker 2: warned that the moves to recognize the Palestinian state poured
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Speaker 2: fuel on the anti Semitic fire and embolden those who
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Speaker 2: menace Australian Jews and encourages the due hatred which now
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Speaker 2: stalks you a street now, was Netanyahu wrong? Apparently we
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Speaker 2: have a peace process. Obviously it's not working. Apparently the
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Speaker 2: endgame for the end of violence between these two faiths
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Speaker 2: is a two state solution. But can we really see
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Speaker 2: these two people co existing anytime soon? Zibb's Jane Austin's
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Speaker 2: birthday today. I'll tell you some facts and figures about that.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about gun mows. Go to talk
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Speaker 2: to a security expert about how we can spot the
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Speaker 2: bad guys sooner. It's all still to come here on early.
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Speaker 9: Time of the year.
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Speaker 2: I don't know Dickins, Ryan's doing drive, Heather's doing breakfast.
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Speaker 2: Happy birthday to Jane Austen. You know Jane Austin, Sense
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Speaker 2: and sensibility, pride and prejudice. Jane Austen's two hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty years old today and still not married. She was
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Speaker 2: born to say seventeen seventy five in a town called
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Speaker 2: Steventon in Hampshire. She loved Hampshire. She's buried at Winchester Cathedral.
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Speaker 2: Now all around the world people are going absolutely crazy
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Speaker 2: for this two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. There are Regency
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Speaker 2: balls everywhere, cosplays on steroids. Men are dashing and troubled
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Speaker 2: back in the eighteen hundreds. It's a celebration of romance
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Speaker 2: and gossip and plans and romantic love versus pragmatic love.
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Speaker 2: And yet, yeah, the whole irony is that Jane Austen,
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Speaker 2: the Queen of Romance, never married. She had a boyfriend
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Speaker 2: or two, she nearly got married. But you know, she
19:04
Speaker 2: was absolutely beholden and ruled by her brothers because in
19:07
Speaker 2: the early eighteen hundreds, that's what happened to women in
19:10
Speaker 2: the early eighteen hundreds. People did not know her name.
19:13
Speaker 2: Her books had the byline written by a lady, because
19:16
Speaker 2: ladies had no purchase in society in those days. They
19:19
Speaker 2: had no vote, no money. They were nothing without their man.
19:22
Speaker 2: So Jane's name was not known and the romance, she wrote,
19:25
Speaker 2: was fired on by this desperation of ladies and their
19:28
Speaker 2: parents to find a man, any man who could provide
19:31
Speaker 2: the money to live. It was a life and death
19:33
Speaker 2: affair and in no way romantic, and an affair that
19:37
Speaker 2: Jane Austen herself was never a part of. She wrote
19:39
Speaker 2: great romance, but never had a romance herself. Really, So
19:43
Speaker 2: the real reason to celebrate to Austin today is not
19:46
Speaker 2: her writing of love and the politics of love, even
19:49
Speaker 2: though the writing is fantastic. Rather it's that it's to
19:54
Speaker 2: reflect that now things have changed and now women are
19:58
Speaker 2: no longer a tattle of man. News dogs'd be now
20:02
Speaker 2: in the country we go. Kellen Proctor from Otaga. Good
20:04
Speaker 2: morning to you.
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Speaker 10: Morning, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: So tell me about the Tuhura Otago Museum.
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Speaker 10: Well, the news out of the museum today is that
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Speaker 10: it's opening up its iconic photography competition to the nations.
20:18
Speaker 10: So for twenty six years here this competition supported generations
20:21
Speaker 10: of amateur photographers, only those living in Otago though, but
20:24
Speaker 10: that's changing. From next year there's going to be a
20:26
Speaker 10: new pop up category, Wild Rtro, which will be open
20:29
Speaker 10: to photographers nationwide. Sure to be popular. The Museum says
20:33
Speaker 10: this responds to years of interest from outside the region.
20:36
Speaker 10: They say they're still proudly celebrating Otaga photographers, but this
20:41
Speaker 10: just felt like the right next step.
20:43
Speaker 2: How's your weather?
20:45
Speaker 10: Showers thunderstorms Inhale this afternoon, which is becoming common in
20:48
Speaker 10: our forecast seventeen the high today.
20:50
Speaker 2: Thank you Chris here, we're from christ Roach. Good morning,
20:53
Speaker 2: Good morning. So the christ Rich disability community are putting
20:56
Speaker 2: on a sitcom.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is fun, just as we have the special
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Speaker 11: Olympics hosted here in christ Church at the moment, of course,
21:03
Speaker 11: we've got this new sitcom which is by the Inclusive
21:05
Speaker 11: Performance Academy. I've created a show called people Like Us,
21:09
Speaker 11: following a group of friends with disabilities as well as
21:12
Speaker 11: their support workers. It's modeled on the cast's favorite sitcom Friends.
21:17
Speaker 11: Director Fiona mackenzie says, with a disability, you do spend
21:20
Speaker 11: a lot of time as an audience member and there's
21:23
Speaker 11: not a lot of opportunity to be front and center
21:25
Speaker 11: and the entertainer. So that's what this is all about.
21:28
Speaker 9: She says.
21:28
Speaker 11: It's not a show about disability as such, but the
21:31
Speaker 11: disability is there throughout and that has never been the
21:34
Speaker 11: case before. Mackenzie says this show is part fantasy, part
21:39
Speaker 11: scripted comedy, also a bit of brutal reality, with the
21:42
Speaker 11: cast finding themselves in circumstances every day that just wouldn't
21:45
Speaker 11: happen to ordinary people.
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Speaker 2: You could write about it, Kenya, and they'll make us laugh. Now,
21:50
Speaker 2: what's the weather like?
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Speaker 11: Mostly cloudy today, We could see some thundery, hail and
21:55
Speaker 11: showers a bit later tonight. Northwesterly, strong at times and
21:58
Speaker 11: the maximum will be twenty five.
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Speaker 2: The gardens will be happy. Next toll from Wellington, Good
22:02
Speaker 2: morning to you.
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Speaker 12: Good morning.
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Speaker 2: So Wellington's getting a new brewery. Not that you needed
22:08
Speaker 2: much more, No, No, we've.
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Speaker 12: Had a few closes this year in fact in the
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Speaker 12: craft beer beers in Wellington. So some positive news to
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Speaker 12: when twenty twenty five. Not amost a new brewery, but
22:18
Speaker 12: one expanding from New Plymouth. That's Three Sisters, quite a
22:23
Speaker 12: highly regarded brewery. It's expanding to Wellington, opening a new
22:26
Speaker 12: side on Blair Streets off Courtney Place. Investors apparently are
22:30
Speaker 12: feeling good. They want to expand also in New Plymouth
22:33
Speaker 12: Shining Peak and that maybe by Shade, the best known
22:36
Speaker 12: brewery in the city and that already expanded to christ
22:39
Speaker 12: Church and Sumner. Recently, the owner of Three Sisters believes
22:43
Speaker 12: Wellington is well near the bottom economically looking up rather
22:47
Speaker 12: than still in a period of decline.
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Speaker 2: So some good news there.
22:51
Speaker 12: Generally speaking, I wouldn't say the craft beer bubble has
22:53
Speaker 12: necessarily burst. Garrett's project is still thriving. They took over
22:57
Speaker 12: the Fortune Favors space this year. Hospital and Z is
23:00
Speaker 12: feeling good and some good news now with Three Sisters
23:04
Speaker 12: on the way shortly early next year.
23:05
Speaker 2: Good names too. Hey, how's your weather?
23:08
Speaker 12: A period of rain from mid morning and strong northerlies
23:11
Speaker 12: nineteen the hay and.
23:12
Speaker 2: I thank you very much andiew aw come we go
23:14
Speaker 2: Wendy Petrick morning to morning. So tell me about the
23:17
Speaker 2: Splaw Festival, which is one of the favorites. It wasn't
23:19
Speaker 2: here last year. They have financial difficulties last year that
23:22
Speaker 2: took a two year break, but it's back this year.
23:23
Speaker 2: So what's the news, Well, yes, this is it.
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Speaker 13: Explore has announced it'll come to an end next year
23:29
Speaker 13: after hopes of a government lifeline fell through. So next
23:32
Speaker 13: year's installment of the annual Boutique of Music and Arts
23:35
Speaker 13: Festival at Auckland's at Tappa Tappa Kanga Regional Park were
23:38
Speaker 13: the last due to low ticket sales in recent years. Now,
23:41
Speaker 13: longtime owner John Minty says they weren't considered for the
23:45
Speaker 13: government's seventy million dollar Major Events funds. He says he
23:48
Speaker 13: spent three weeks on the application and thought they had
23:50
Speaker 13: a good cause. He says it's a bit of a
23:52
Speaker 13: worry that funding isn't going towards events that showcase New
23:55
Speaker 13: Zealand talent.
23:56
Speaker 2: So that is the end of the stage and overseas
23:58
Speaker 2: town I know roycecop coming. They're very good band, and
24:02
Speaker 2: Nightmares on Wax are a very good band as well.
24:04
Speaker 2: It's a great thing. Six stages anyway. How's Awkin's weather?
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Speaker 13: Well, all, it looks like the good weather's coming to
24:09
Speaker 13: an end, doesn't it rain? From late afternoon briefly heavy,
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Speaker 13: then clearing tonight northerly strong at times this afternoon changing
24:16
Speaker 13: to southwesterly. We still have a warm high though, twenty
24:19
Speaker 13: six degrees.
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Speaker 2: Wendy, I thank you. It is now seventeen minutes to six,
24:23
Speaker 2: So we're about to talk to Donald Toveyo out of
24:25
Speaker 2: Australia about Bondi and we're about to talk to an
24:27
Speaker 2: defense expert about spotting the bad guys. The other thing
24:32
Speaker 2: that happened after BONDI of course immediately it's the playbook
24:34
Speaker 2: now and to Sinder did it? Howard did it? After
24:38
Speaker 2: Port Arthur? It's gun control now on guns. The weapons
24:43
Speaker 2: used by the father and son in Bondai were legally obtained.
24:47
Speaker 2: They were long guns, hunting guns, not military style semi
24:51
Speaker 2: automatic weapons. If they had military style semi automatic weapons,
24:56
Speaker 2: there would have been significantly more fatalities. So these legal
25:00
Speaker 2: guns held by i llegal owner. It's a reminder that
25:02
Speaker 2: guns don't kill people. People kill people. So now Russia,
25:08
Speaker 2: so now Australia is rushing to strengthen gun laws and
25:12
Speaker 2: the thrust will be making sure the wrong people don't
25:15
Speaker 2: have guns full stop. And this, of course will feel
25:18
Speaker 2: like an affront to decent gun owners. But maybe they
25:21
Speaker 2: could tell us how you could stop the wrong people
25:24
Speaker 2: having guns, because all the people who don't have guns
25:27
Speaker 2: still feel threatened. It is sixteen to.
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Speaker 1: Six International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of
25:36
Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand Business.
25:39
Speaker 2: Fourteen to six DONA tomorrow out of Australia. Good morning
25:41
Speaker 2: to you, Donna, good morning, condolences to your country for
25:44
Speaker 2: what happened at BONDI.
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Speaker 8: Thank you.
25:46
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the hero Ahmed. Turns out he's not
25:50
Speaker 2: a fruit shop owner, he's a tobacco retailer.
25:54
Speaker 8: Yes.
25:54
Speaker 14: Well, the hero is the forty three year old who
25:58
Speaker 14: did move to Australia from Syria a few years back,
26:01
Speaker 14: and he's a former cop and he wrestled that gun
26:05
Speaker 14: from the older shooter who we know is dead now,
26:09
Speaker 14: that fifty year old father. This man was extraordinary in
26:15
Speaker 14: his actions and we've heard from his parents saying that
26:19
Speaker 14: he was just thinking of others, not himself when he
26:21
Speaker 14: did wrestle that gun from the shooter. One million dollars
26:25
Speaker 14: in fact, the amount is still climbing. More than one
26:28
Speaker 14: million dollars has already been raised through a GoFundMe for
26:32
Speaker 14: this hero, who is credited with was believed that he
26:36
Speaker 14: possibly saved numerous lives through his actions. Extraordinary what he did.
26:43
Speaker 2: Any more information about the victims.
26:47
Speaker 14: We know that amongst the victims a ten year old girl,
26:51
Speaker 14: a French national who was in Australia working as an engineer.
26:55
Speaker 14: A retired police officer who was pursuing his interest in
26:58
Speaker 14: photography was there at the at the festivities photographing and
27:05
Speaker 14: he was killed. A Holocaust survivor two rabbis. In the
27:10
Speaker 14: aftermath of what happened, there were one hundred and twenty
27:14
Speaker 14: three paramedics out there trying to help the hurt and injured.
27:17
Speaker 14: We know that that forty two were injured, fifteen killed,
27:20
Speaker 14: twenty seven people are still in hospital and six are
27:24
Speaker 14: fighting for life. We know also that the National Cabinet
27:29
Speaker 14: met very late yesterday about gun reform and I have
27:32
Speaker 14: a brief update for you. There there will be a
27:35
Speaker 14: review of gun licenses and the acceleration of the establishment
27:38
Speaker 14: of a National Firearms Register, which was already being established
27:42
Speaker 14: but it was due to be completed by twenty twenty eight.
27:45
Speaker 14: It's believed that will be brought forward. There will be
27:47
Speaker 14: a limiting of the number of firearms owned by any
27:50
Speaker 14: one individual and a person must be an Australian citizen
27:54
Speaker 14: to have a firearm license. The PM after Cabinets has
27:58
Speaker 14: pledged to eradicate an Semitism, hate, violence and terrorism.
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Speaker 2: And what have What have the Jewish leaders been saying, because,
28:06
Speaker 2: of course, there is the feeling that anti Semitism rose
28:08
Speaker 2: for a very long time in Australia and nothing was
28:10
Speaker 2: done to prevent it.
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Speaker 14: We have heard from many, many leaders. One Jewish leader
28:16
Speaker 14: says that this must be a line in the sand
28:18
Speaker 14: for Australia. Another said they've been screaming for two years
28:22
Speaker 14: that something like this would happen. So as you can
28:27
Speaker 14: probably tell, Australia and I know the world is in
28:31
Speaker 14: shock in regard to what has happened.
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Speaker 2: Don't thank you so very much, Dona Tomorow out of
28:35
Speaker 2: Australian news talks here be. It is now eleven to
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Speaker 2: six z me so, of course questions are being asked
28:43
Speaker 2: about intelligence failures. After the Bondai Beach attack, police confirmed
28:46
Speaker 2: that the gunman with the father and the son, Sahid
28:48
Speaker 2: and Navid Akram and Sahid the dad dead, Navid's in
28:54
Speaker 2: hospital underguard. The younger man had been on the radar
28:56
Speaker 2: for years with extremist links and red flags, yet no
28:59
Speaker 2: charges anywow. Benjamin Ettania, who has been quick to point
29:02
Speaker 2: the finger.
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Speaker 15: I sent Prime Minister Albaneze of Australia a letter in
29:11
Speaker 15: which I gave him warning. Who did nothing to curb
29:15
Speaker 15: the cancer cells that were growing inside your country.
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Speaker 3: This is a moment for national unity. This is a
29:22
Speaker 3: moment for Australians to come together.
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Speaker 2: That's precisely what we will be doing as Anthony albanize.
29:27
Speaker 2: And now joining me now is John Battersby. He's from
29:29
Speaker 2: Massi University Center for Defense and Security Studies. John, good
29:32
Speaker 2: morning to you.
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Speaker 7: Good morning.
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Speaker 2: And that was an intelligence failure, wouldn't it.
29:37
Speaker 7: I tend to not judge things on intelligence. We call
29:41
Speaker 7: them intelligence failures until we know exactly what's going on.
29:46
Speaker 7: The law enforcement and intelligence capabilities in any country are
29:49
Speaker 7: limited by the resources you put into them, and they
29:53
Speaker 7: are successful a lot of the time in terms of
29:55
Speaker 7: detecting things like this, but they just cannot be successful
30:00
Speaker 7: all of the time. And there have been some very
30:03
Speaker 7: well resourced intelligence agencies in Europe and the US which
30:07
Speaker 7: these types of things have got past. So look, let's
30:10
Speaker 7: just pull back from Intelligence Ralia right now and each
30:12
Speaker 7: wait and see what the facts revealed.
30:14
Speaker 2: Is it difficulty that you can't actually detain a bad
30:17
Speaker 2: guy until a bad guy does something bad?
30:20
Speaker 7: Well, in most democratic countries, somebody has to commit an
30:23
Speaker 7: offense before you can arrest them. So different countries have
30:28
Speaker 7: different setups in terms of the detection of people who
30:32
Speaker 7: they suspect of plotting terrorist attacks. So if evidence can
30:35
Speaker 7: be obtained that someone is planning one of these things,
30:39
Speaker 7: a number of countries can arrest and detain. I think
30:41
Speaker 7: Australia does have some pretty strong laws with that, and
30:44
Speaker 7: they have detained people before on suspicion.
30:47
Speaker 2: How does australia security level compare to ours?
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Speaker 7: Oh, significantly greater, I've always thought, But it also seems
30:55
Speaker 7: to have a significantly bigger problem. I can't so. I think,
31:00
Speaker 7: going back for several decades now, Australia seems to have
31:04
Speaker 7: always had a slightly well a significantly elevated risk of
31:10
Speaker 7: various types of terrorist attacks. You're going back to before
31:13
Speaker 7: nineteen seventy eight with the Hilton bomb me, So, yeah, look,
31:17
Speaker 7: there are levels of concern there. They have a much
31:19
Speaker 7: stronger security aparatus than us. They have the most some
31:23
Speaker 7: of the most significantly strong gun laws in the world.
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Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, look they are set up I think appropriately.
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Speaker 2: All right, John Badisby, I thank you so much for
31:35
Speaker 2: Massi University. And there's the thing I mean, after this,
31:38
Speaker 2: we as a country have a lot of thinking to
31:40
Speaker 2: do about our gun laws and about our security checks.
31:45
Speaker 2: It is now seven minutes to.
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Speaker 1: Six the first Word on the News of the Day
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Speaker 1: early edition with Adre Dickins and r V super Center
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Speaker 1: explore r V successories and servicing more than one news talks.
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Speaker 2: That'd be So we've moved on to the gun law thing.
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Speaker 2: And I said earlier, you know that guns don't kill people.
32:05
Speaker 2: People kill people. That's the problem with gun laws. Bill
32:08
Speaker 2: doesn't agree with me. He says guns are exactly what
32:10
Speaker 2: killed those poor people. Yes, operated by other other less
32:13
Speaker 2: than human people. But he's Bill says less guns mean
32:16
Speaker 2: less shootings. And I'm not sure that I don't agree
32:20
Speaker 2: with that.
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Speaker 16: Heather, what fewer, fewer guns for God's sake.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's less guns mean less shootings. Just looks better.
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Speaker 16: No, it doesn't four four four medically correct?
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Speaker 2: Bill, Okay, but what do you reckon? I see, I
32:34
Speaker 2: don't agree with that. I mean because Australia has fewer
32:36
Speaker 2: guns in most other places because of what they did
32:38
Speaker 2: after poor Arthur. We have fewer guns and many other
32:41
Speaker 2: places it's people who are doing the killing. They shot
32:44
Speaker 2: them with legal guns and they were legal owners, so
32:46
Speaker 2: it's doing the people. I'll tell you the thing about that. Then,
32:50
Speaker 2: Albanize is now talking about how many guns can someone own? Well,
32:53
Speaker 2: I can, I can feel all the decent gun owners
32:56
Speaker 2: saying that as many as we can know.
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Speaker 16: Can I point something out to you, to your bat
33:00
Speaker 16: alban easy that I think you have to factor and
33:01
Speaker 16: when you consider him, the man is actually not that
33:04
Speaker 16: good and he doesn't actually have an original thought. And
33:06
Speaker 16: a lot of his playbook is based on what Justinda
33:09
Speaker 16: did and has been since the start of his premiership.
33:11
Speaker 16: So they have just copied a lot of what the
33:13
Speaker 16: Desindada and administration. This is a straight copy, right. He's
33:17
Speaker 16: looked at how Jacinda responded to the Mosk attacks. She
33:20
Speaker 16: responded by tightening up gun laws, and he's doing exactly
33:23
Speaker 16: the same thing. Board he's failing to understand his guns
33:25
Speaker 16: is not well. I mean, I think he may understand
33:27
Speaker 16: that he's failing to address the primary problem. Guns is
33:30
Speaker 16: not their problem. Guns aren't their problem because they have
33:32
Speaker 16: already tightened up the laws so significantly. Their problem is
33:36
Speaker 16: something we don't have in this country, which is race relations. Right,
33:39
Speaker 16: Their race relations are out the gate, mental bad and
33:42
Speaker 16: the anti Semitism is terrible. That's actually what he needs
33:45
Speaker 16: to address if he wants to fix this.
33:46
Speaker 2: Problem, which is Zachly what Netting?
33:48
Speaker 7: Who think?
33:49
Speaker 8: How do you hate?
33:49
Speaker 2: You feel? I had a terrible day, you say, I
33:51
Speaker 2: was quite morose because of so many videos.
33:53
Speaker 16: That I saw of the horror and just on social media,
33:58
Speaker 16: on social media, so Andrew, So I don't go on
34:01
Speaker 16: social media. Oh well, and I find that and it's
34:04
Speaker 16: both deliberate, but it is also a function of my
34:06
Speaker 16: life because my children are smaller and I don't have time.
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Speaker 1: But I find I.
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Speaker 16: Spend so little time on social media. I have a
34:11
Speaker 16: much I think better mental health situation than if I
34:15
Speaker 16: was on it.
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Speaker 13: So how about that being your fix?
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Speaker 8: Ah?
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Speaker 2: All right? Just like have an easy saying about the
34:20
Speaker 2: social media for the under sixteens.
34:21
Speaker 1: I guess right.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely have a great show, Heather, Thank you so much,
34:25
Speaker 2: Producer Kenzie oh Ray.
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