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Bonus Episode: "Crazy" Artists, Ultraterrestrials, and Arnt Poppy in the Gararge · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about this week's full episode on Donnie Hathaway, Amy Weinhaus
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  Speaker 1: and the greatest female Singers of the twentieth century, and
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  Speaker 1: how we're thinking about choosing episode subjects with you guys
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  Speaker 1: going forward. Of course, we've got your voicemails, text and more,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of rosie. All right,
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  Speaker 1: this goes, let's get into it. So many of our subjects,
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  Speaker 1: the artists, the musicians, the accuracy athletes, they're dismissed as
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  Speaker 1: crazy and it's totally understandable the behavior the actions of
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  Speaker 1: these people. In a lot of cases it is straight
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  Speaker 1: up batshit crazy lunacy, whether it's Big Lurch, the hip
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  Speaker 1: hop artist cannibalizing his roommate, which you heard about way
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  Speaker 1: back in season one of Disgrace, and or the abuse
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  Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock inflicted upon his starlet top headin a story
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  Speaker 1: you're going to hear about a couple of weeks. These
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  Speaker 1: examples only scratch the surface of crazy. These stories are
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  Speaker 1: a certain type, the type where the subject we cover
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  Speaker 1: acts in insane ways. Then there is this other type
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  Speaker 1: of episode where the subject that we cover over the
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  Speaker 1: artists is the victim of craziness. John Lennon's assassination at
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  Speaker 1: the hands of Mark David Chapman, the endless parade of
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  Speaker 1: stalkers who harassed Taylor Swift. However you look at it,
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  Speaker 1: crazy is part of the DNA here in Disgraceland. Going
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  Speaker 1: back to the first promos of the show, where I
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  Speaker 1: wrote and said the following when describing the podcast is
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  Speaker 1: I said, Disgraceland is a new podcast about musicians getting
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  Speaker 1: away with murder and behaving very badly. Jerry Lee Lewis's
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  Speaker 1: fifth Wife Dead, Sam Cook, three AM, and a CD
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  Speaker 1: Motel Dead sit in Nancy Dead. Why because musicians are crazy,
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  Speaker 1: because insane things happen to them, Because we love them
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  Speaker 1: and because we let them get away with it. That's
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  Speaker 1: the first Disgraceland promo ever written, ever recorded. I still
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  Speaker 1: have fond memories of hearing it for the very first time,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, again, I read it because crazy is
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  Speaker 1: the central part. It's a central theme. It's been a
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  Speaker 1: central theme of our storytelling from the beginning, and we
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  Speaker 1: talk about it still to this day every single week
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  Speaker 1: and one form or another. So so much so that
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  Speaker 1: I've become a bit desensitized by it as a concept
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  Speaker 1: and now grappling with what I'm sure many of you
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  Speaker 1: have grappled with in the past, and it's the fact that,
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  Speaker 1: of course crazy is relative. Jerry y lewis the killer
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  Speaker 1: in his actions. You know, he may obviously seem crazy
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  Speaker 1: to us, but you know, to uh, some of those
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  Speaker 1: dudes who are hanging out with him, and part of
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  Speaker 1: that whole first rock and roll pioneer era from down
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  Speaker 1: in the South and and and on that circuit that
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  Speaker 1: they all came up on, you know, I mean, Jerry
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  Speaker 1: le Lewis was crazy, but he wasn't that crazy, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure to some of these guys. You know, I've even
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  Speaker 1: talked to some people, of course, who have known some
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  Speaker 1: of the people that we've covered known them, well, known
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  Speaker 1: them intimately. I'm talking about talking to Hell's Angels. I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about talking to to Road. He's talking to Graham
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  Speaker 1: parsons famous sidekick, Phil Kaufman. And you know, again, to
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  Speaker 1: Phil Kaufman, Uh, Graham Parsons did not seem crazy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he seemed a little unhinged, I'm sure, a little hard
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  Speaker 1: to handle, but I don't think he would use the
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  Speaker 1: term crazy. I talked to a Hell's Angel, George Christy,
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  Speaker 1: who had a lot of experience with Jerry Garcia and
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  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other artists, and I'm sure their
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  Speaker 1: actions did not seem crazy to George. Okay, who is
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  Speaker 1: a Hell's Angel. So what I'm saying is Jerry Lelewis,
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  Speaker 1: it's a different type of crazy than someone who stocks
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. All right, I'm not trying to compare the craziness,
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  Speaker 1: but there is a different type of craziness. Goes without
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  Speaker 1: saying almost. They're both batshit nuts, of course, but they're
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  Speaker 1: different and they give us different lanes of perspective to
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  Speaker 1: tell their stories. Okay, that's the stuff that we've been
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  Speaker 1: dealing with. But then there's the whole mentally ill angle. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: those artists that we've covered who have deep seated issues,
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  Speaker 1: to whom being described as crazy is well offensive. Frankly,
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  Speaker 1: we wouldn't call Carrie Fisher crazy, we wouldn't call Sid
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  Speaker 1: Barrett from Pink Fully crazy. We wouldn't call Amy Winehouse
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  Speaker 1: crazy for the reasons that I mentioned. And those artists
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  Speaker 1: struggled with demons, they self medicated, and they all experienced
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  Speaker 1: wild rides through fame and celebrity and left us with
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  Speaker 1: some pretty incredible art in the process. Now, for these
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  Speaker 1: types of artists, it's harder to talk about them. In
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  Speaker 1: this past week's episode, subject Donnie Hathaway was for me
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  Speaker 1: very hard to talk about. Donnie's issues are well documented,
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  Speaker 1: but still to this day they're hard to define and
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  Speaker 1: even harder to grapple with as a storyteller, especially considering
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  Speaker 1: the chilling way in which he died. In the case
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  Speaker 1: of Donnie Hathaway, an incredibly talented musician, his quote unquote
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  Speaker 1: craziness was closer to madness, and of course driven by illness,
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  Speaker 1: not by narcissism or sociopathy or drug abuse. So it's
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  Speaker 1: not an easy subject to cover at least, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: an easy subject to cover in a unique way. But
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  Speaker 1: I think that we found an interesting perspective and it's
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  Speaker 1: one that carries over from this Donnie Hathaway episode all
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  Speaker 1: the way to the Blink one eighty two episode that
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  Speaker 1: we've written and recorded but haven't yet released. And it's
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  Speaker 1: this idea that mentally ill people, specifically those with multiple
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  Speaker 1: personality disorders, or those who specifically suffer from hallucinations, as
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  Speaker 1: the Great Donnie Hathaway did, there's this idea that what
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  Speaker 1: if they actually aren't hallucinating? What if we just can't
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  Speaker 1: see what they see? I know this sounds crazy, but
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  Speaker 1: divorce yourself from conventional thinking for the sake of this
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  Speaker 1: argument for a minute. What if the mentally ill who
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  Speaker 1: hallucinate are seeing into different dimensions that our brains are
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  Speaker 1: not evolved enough to unlock to access. Okay, you have
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  Speaker 1: to first believe that there are perhaps multiple dimensions realms
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  Speaker 1: here on Earth and elsewhere throughout the universe. Where where
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  Speaker 1: life where, where it exists beyond this third dimension that
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  Speaker 1: we inhabit, where perhaps angels in demons rome where And
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  Speaker 1: this is where it gets very interesting for me, Where
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  Speaker 1: ultra terrestrials.
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  Speaker 2: Rome.
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  Speaker 1: We hit upon this briefly in the Donnie Hathaway story,
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  Speaker 1: but uphologists, or the folks who study UFOs, many believe
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  Speaker 1: that the UFO sightings and encounters that humans have experienced
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  Speaker 1: from the beginning of recorded history aren't encounters with beings
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  Speaker 1: from elsewhere in the universe. That they're not aliens, that
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  Speaker 1: they're not extraterrestrials, but they are instead beings from right
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  Speaker 1: here on Earth, from this earthly realm, i should say,
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  Speaker 1: beings that exist in another dimension, and that they're ultra terrestrials,
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  Speaker 1: not extraterrestrials. Ultra terrestrials. And I'm going to get into
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  Speaker 1: this again like I said in the Blink one eighty
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  Speaker 1: two episode, and I'm very tempted to get into it here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to dive any deeper. But ultimately, what
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  Speaker 1: they're talking about are angels and demons, both good and bad,
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  Speaker 1: both doing their bids for good and evil here on
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  Speaker 1: Earth and influencing us mortals at all times, ultra terrestrials
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  Speaker 1: that occasionally, perhaps by necessity, perhaps by accident, enter into
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  Speaker 1: this third dimension, thus explaining the many sightings and encounters
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  Speaker 1: that we've had but for the most part exist in
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  Speaker 1: an extra dimension unseen by us most of the time. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: or at least unseen by most of us, but not
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  Speaker 1: unseen by those who can access parts of their minds
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  Speaker 1: that we can't. Crazy people so called crazy people or
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  Speaker 1: are they just excessively open minded people, people whose creativity
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  Speaker 1: knows no bounds, People like Donnie Hathaway. Okay, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know this sounds crazy, but it's fun to think about,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately none of us really know, because, like I
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  Speaker 1: said earlier, crazy is relative. So this is what I
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  Speaker 1: I took anyways, from the Donnie Hathaway episode. I hope
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  Speaker 1: you guys dug the episode. One of the reasons I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to cover Donnie Hathaway in the first place was
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  Speaker 1: because he was a huge influence on Amy Winehouse, an
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  Speaker 1: artist that we covered all the way back in twenty
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  Speaker 1: nineteen in episode number thirty one. If you can believe that,
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  Speaker 1: Amy Winehouse, of course, name check Donnie Hathaway in her
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  Speaker 1: song her Great song Rehab, singing There's nothing you can
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  Speaker 1: teach me that I can't learn from mister Hathaway, Which
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  Speaker 1: brings me to my question of the week, Who is
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  Speaker 1: your favorite female singer from this century, from the two thousands,
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  Speaker 1: the odds, they tens, the twenty twenties, It's hard for
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  Speaker 1: me to find one that I like more or listen
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  Speaker 1: to you more than Amy Winehouse. But just like crazy,
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  Speaker 1: musical opinions are also subjective. Okay, So who is it?
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  Speaker 1: Who's your favorite female singer from this century? And why?
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  Speaker 1: I want to know why? Why is my answer Amy Whinhouse?
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  Speaker 1: Why w might your answer be Amy Winehouse? Why is
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  Speaker 1: it Taylor Swift? Why why is it Lady Gaga or
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  Speaker 1: Casey Muskra or Courtney Barnett or Adele or Billie Eilish
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  Speaker 1: or Brandy Carlisle. Why do you love this female singer
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  Speaker 1: more than others? And if you are going to bat
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  Speaker 1: for one of these artists, one of these singers, excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what should I be listening to?
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  Speaker 1: What haven't I heard to convince me that I really
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  Speaker 1: need to consider Adele to be a better singer than
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  Speaker 1: Amy Winehouse, or I really need to be considering I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, Billie Eilish. I don't think you can make
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  Speaker 1: that case, but go for it. Tell me what songs
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  Speaker 1: I need to be listening to? Who is it okay?
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  Speaker 1: In honor of Amy Winehouse Visa VI Donnie Hathaway, who
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  Speaker 1: is your favorite female artist of the century? Hit me
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  Speaker 1: week's after party.
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  Speaker 3: In the meantime, I'll be back in a flash.
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  Speaker 1: All right, guys. Last week our Talking Heads episode prompted
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  Speaker 1: a discussion and some questions about New York City in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven and which eras were best for the
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  Speaker 1: creation of great music. On that subject, let's hear from
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  Speaker 1: a new listener in the eight four or five.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Jay, just listen to my first episode of Disgraceland.
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  Speaker 2: I was recommended by Scott McLain as the mok Crates
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  Speaker 2: and Turntables podcast, which I contribute to. But I, guys,
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  Speaker 2: gotta tell you your episode on nineteen seventy seven in
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  Speaker 2: New York was spot on. I was eight years old
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven. I grew up in New Jersey,
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  Speaker 2: twenty miles outside the city. We were afraid to leave
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  Speaker 2: the house because we all thought the Son of Sam
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  Speaker 2: was in our backyards. It was a crazy time, but
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  Speaker 2: my dad would take us to the city once year
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  Speaker 2: for the Christmas show the Rockets at Radio City, and
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  Speaker 2: I do remember at that time being in the subway
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  Speaker 2: seeing my first crazy man yelling at the world, learning
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  Speaker 2: for my dad how to not pay attention and that
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  Speaker 2: will save you every time subways were rough. I remember
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  Speaker 2: the snowy yurine. Everywhere should be horrible, right, but no,
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. The city was magical, and I
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  Speaker 2: do believe that New York City in seventy seven was
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  Speaker 2: the greatest fertile ground for music because so many different
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  Speaker 2: kinds of music were influenced by it. You hit the
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  Speaker 2: nail on the head when you said hip hop, you
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  Speaker 2: had the Talking Heads, You just had so much going on.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it funny how a city in shit is appealing?
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  Speaker 2: But I do, I do have fond memories. Anyway, Keep
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  Speaker 2: up the great work, great show. I am now a
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  Speaker 2: subscriber and love what you do. Keep it up.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Bud all Right eight four five. Thanks for the call.
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  Speaker 1: I love that call act because you're perfectly connecting the
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  Speaker 1: Talking Heads episode theme of New York City in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies with theme of quote unquote crazy people in
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  Speaker 1: this week's Donnie Hathaway episode. Also, I'm stoked that you
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  Speaker 1: him to get in touch. I'd like to meet the dude.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like a great show, all right on Instagram at
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  Speaker 1: Sierra Vince Rights. In regards to the same question, Seattle
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties over New York City in seventy seven,
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  Speaker 1: all day, every day, Sierra, I can't get with that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Seattle in the nineties would have existed
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  Speaker 1: if it weren't for New York in nineteen seventy seven.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it. New York in nineteen seventy seven gave
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  Speaker 1: us the Ramones without the Ramones. Seattle doesn't get mud
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  Speaker 1: Honey or the Melvins without mud Honey or the melvins.
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  Speaker 1: Seattle doesn't get Nirvana without Nirvana. It's hard to argue
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  Speaker 1: for Seattle in the nineteen nineties over New York in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, or really anywhere else for that matter.
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  Speaker 1: So all due respect Sierra. I think you're wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: that's okay. It's just an opinion, all right, can't actually
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  Speaker 1: be wrong. Nine oh nine text in Hey love the pod.
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  Speaker 1: It gets me through work every single day. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: pass this up to chime in. As far as the
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  Speaker 1: most influential music decade slash City, I have to say
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  Speaker 1: the sweet sound of San Francisco of the late sixties
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  Speaker 1: and early seventies is my personal favorite. With the likes
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  Speaker 1: of Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead, Big Brother in the
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  Speaker 1: Holding Company, Steve Miller Band, Slid and the Family Stone
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  Speaker 1: all so good. I'd love to hear a Disgrace Slam
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  Speaker 1: pod on Hate and Ashbury in San Francisco. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: from Samara in the nine oh nine. You got a
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  Speaker 1: solid argument there. Those Bay Area bands during that era
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  Speaker 1: influenced not only, of course the music that came after
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  Speaker 1: that era, but also huge influence obviously on culture in general.
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  Speaker 1: Summer of Love, all that stuff. And yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: an episode on Hate Asbury that's actually really interesting. I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe I hadn't thought about that before. But thank
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  Speaker 1: you appreciate the recommendation. More on recommendations coming up. Later
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  Speaker 1: in the pod on the Talking Heads, the five one
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  Speaker 1: nine text in there's no R in Keskersay, dude, that's
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  Speaker 1: just the whole test, the whole text. Excuse me, of course,
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  Speaker 1: that's because I was talking about Psycho Killer, the Talking
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  Speaker 1: Head song, and I pronounced kes caarse with the sound
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  Speaker 1: of an R. So clearly there is an R in
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  Speaker 1: kes caerse when I say a five to one nine.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate your diligence around the French language, though I
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  Speaker 1: am aware there's no R. Okay. The R is an
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  Speaker 1: accent issue of mine. All right. For those of you
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  Speaker 1: who don't know, I'm from a small, almost entirely Irish
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  Speaker 1: town in central Massachusetts, at least it was almost entirely
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  Speaker 1: Irish when I grew up there. Town is called Clinton, Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to clowntown Clinton. Those of you are familiar
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  Speaker 1: with it, we'll know it has this strange accent. This
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  Speaker 1: little town in central Massachusetts has an accent that is
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  Speaker 1: unlike any town around it. In this strange accent, I've
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  Speaker 1: always believed is derived from whatever region of Ireland that
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  Speaker 1: early Clintonians came from, and the accent is one where
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  Speaker 1: it is the opposite of the Boston accent, okay, instead
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  Speaker 1: of dropping our ours ca ba Havid yah, all that
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  Speaker 1: crap and Clinton for some reason, we double pronounce our
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  Speaker 1: ours as you can tell, all right. We also inject
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  Speaker 1: ours into words that shouldn't be there, but we double
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  Speaker 1: pronounce them as you can tell them the way I talk.
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  Speaker 1: I said, we add ours where they don't go. Aren't okay,
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  Speaker 1: aren't not? Aunt? Aren't? Why aren't Tracy? Why aren't Poppy?
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  Speaker 2: My?
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  Speaker 1: Aren't Tracy likes red wine?
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  Speaker 2: My?
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  Speaker 1: Aren't Poppy likes betting football and horses? Aren't my? Aren't?
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  Speaker 1: And uncle the extra r kesker say far far far far,
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  Speaker 1: far far far and far all right. I gotta go
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  Speaker 1: on and I asked him to sign it and told
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  Speaker 1: him the story and how the set list blew out
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  Speaker 1: of the window. Expecting a laugh from Billy Joe Shaver,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I got sounds about right. My last meeting, I pulled
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  Speaker 1: out a poster off the wall venue where the show
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  Speaker 1: was and I decided to go egg him on just
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  Speaker 1: for old time's sake, and asked him to write something
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  Speaker 1: onto the poster, and he responded, I don't take requests.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the line, but I quipped something back
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  Speaker 1: and he said, funny, you should be a comedian, and
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I said, well, as it turns out, I am a comedian.
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  Speaker 1: I actually am in parenthesesis what it says here. Anyways,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah goes on to say he said, tell me a joke,
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  Speaker 1: to which I told him I don't take requests and
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  Speaker 1: not actually going to laugh. I love that old sob
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  Speaker 1: I missed him. I'm not sure what I expected from
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  Speaker 1: a guy who wrote a song if you don't love
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Jesus go to Hell. That is from Jeremiah Wilkerson and
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah great email, Thanks man, I appreciate it. I actually
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: met Billy Joe Shafer once. I played a show with him.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: It was a memorial for a friend of mine. Hours
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I should say, a friend of Billy Joe's as well
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  Speaker 1: who passed away down in Nashville, and Billy Joe is
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: actually quite a sweet guy at that point. This is
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: very much later on in his career. But this is
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: getting to a deeper point here that I want to
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: make about requests about episode requests from you guys. And
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  Speaker 1: you know the answer, I guess, Jeremiah to your request
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  Speaker 1: of if we can do a Billy Joe Shaver episode
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  Speaker 1: is I don't take requests now. I'm kidding. I'll be
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  Speaker 1: back on the other side. You'll hear what I'm talking about,
• 19:18
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  Speaker 1: And that's all for just five dollars. So to Jeremiah's question,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: earlier his request actually his request or Billy Joe Shaver episode.
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  Speaker 1: As you guys know, requests are a huge part of
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the Disgrace One community. Part of the fun of the show,
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  Speaker 1: I think has always been thinking about the artists or
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the musicians, or the athletes or actors or actresses, etc.
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  Speaker 1: That we can produce full episodes on. We talk about
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  Speaker 1: this all the time in some form or another. And
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  Speaker 1: since I announced the podcasts back in twenty eighteen, and
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  Speaker 1: every time I've mentioned that I was writing or producing
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  Speaker 1: a new season, or any time I mentioned new artists
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  Speaker 1: and I'm researching along the way, there's been a torrent
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of requests on who we should cover. And I've always
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: done my best to listen and to try to accommodate
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  Speaker 1: as many of your requests as I can. But still
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  Speaker 1: there are number of requests that were requested years ago
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  Speaker 1: that we still haven't gotten to. A lot of subject
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  Speaker 1: matter in this area of dark entertainment. Anyways, I've even
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: gone as far as to change the DNA of the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: programming of the show based on your requests. Okay, this
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: show started out as being just musicians committing crimes, or
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: that's what it was at anyways, and I altered it
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to be about crimes being done to musicians as well
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  Speaker 1: so that I could mainly because I wanted to be
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: able to cover more women, which was in an early
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: request that a lot of you had. Turns out that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you know, in the true crime and music space, there
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: weren't a lot of women behaving as badly as men were.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: There's some badass women, of course, yes, with great stories
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to tell, but again the focus was much narrower back then.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: This eventually, this change eventually gave us episodes on Taylor Swift,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Britney Spears, Debbie Harry, a whole bunch of others. Of course,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: pre your requests as well, we broadened our scope even
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: further so that we can cover disgraceful subjects from outside
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of music, actors, athletes, all the folks. I was mentioned earlier,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and again this also came from you, guys. So I've listened.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I've always listened to your request, but I haven't really
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: figured out a way of soliciting and organizing your requests
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and therefore better serving them. And one thing I'm contemplating
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: is coming up with a system where you guys pick
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you guys yourselves pick which episodes that we cover in
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  Speaker 1: our All Access club. So it wouldn't just be me
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: being like, hey, here's an extra episode this month on
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  Speaker 1: Waylon Jennings or Lane Staley or whoever, Hunter Thompson. It
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: would instead be you, me, to some extent, your fellow discos,
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  Speaker 1: all of us submitting our requests, somewhere discussing them, and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: somehow deciding in some sort of democratic fashion. I guess
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: what the episodes are that get released exclusively to you, guys,
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• 22:43
  Speaker 1: in the analogy. I am interested in talking about this
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: more with you, guys. I want to know what you
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: think about this. I have, by no means completely made
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  Speaker 1: up my mind on this issue, but I like it.
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  Speaker 1: I like where the thinking is leading. I'm especially, of course,
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  Speaker 1: interested in those who are already paying for an all
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  Speaker 1: This week's brand new episode on Donnie Hathaway number three
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  Speaker 1: More discussion in the after party on how we are
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  Speaker 1: going to be choosing subjects for this show going forward.
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  Speaker 1: Number five my number six one seven nine oh six,
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  Speaker 1: of the twentieth century is and why okay, and send
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  Speaker 1: me some examples songs? All right? Number six, Remember no
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  Speaker 1: one cares about these stories more than you do. And
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: well that's a disgrace. And now, in honor of Donnie Hathaway,
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  Speaker 1: me reading to you. The Billboard charts from the week
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: of Donnie's death back on January thirteenth, nineteen seventy nine.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, Too Much Heaven Beg's last week one peak
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  Speaker 1: position one weeks on Chart nine, Number two, Le Freak
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  Speaker 1: Chic number three, My Life Billy Joe last week three
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  Speaker 1: peak position three weeks on Chart eleven. Number four, You
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  Speaker 1: Don't Bring Me Flowers Barbara streisand Last Diamond last week
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  Speaker 1: position four, sixty position weeks on John eighties on chart
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  Speaker 1: number seven weeks on johny five. And I hold the
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  Speaker 1: line of Tea totally weak last week last week meets
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  Speaker 1: three peak position line number five cheeks on chart last.
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  Speaker 4: Week fifty last number six, Sharing the Ninetygether Doctor Hof
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  Speaker 4: last week six cook position six weeks on chart.
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  Speaker 1: Number seven. Quit Talking and start mixing, could