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Harrison Kramer & Adam Axford on POV Magic 101 #281 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys,
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  Ladies and gentlemen, what's up? Welcome to episode 281 of the Magic Guys.
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  We have three Magic Guys today, but they have morphed a little bit into some
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  handsome looking chaps.
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  To my left, we've got Harrison Kramer.
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  Hello, hello, yes. Hello, nice to see everyone here.
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  And below, we've got the man, the myth, the legend, wordsmith himself, Adam Axford.
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  Peace, guys. Yeah. good to see you guys i i realized we didn't rehearse how
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  we intro the show at all so i like that you just went with the flow and we got
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  there in the end and for those who missed last week's episode,
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  the air horns are back baby so we don't have to have that uh people were actually
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  debate like raging in the discord to bring back the air horns,
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  because some people listen to this when they sleep and they were complaining
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  that it really you know scares them or hurts their ears or whatever but you know,
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  that's life all right so i was looking for a way better sound then but it didn't.
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  That's life all right there we go so we brought our fellow experience experiental
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  experience guys to talk about the metas and just i knew we've we've talked to,
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  about this with them separately but what better way to really get the real info
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  than to have them together where even new,
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  information might emerge off
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  the back of them chatting amongst it and with you guys live in the chats
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  so thank you for being here live i've got tyler we've got tim askin we've got
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  sean red aces gihan scotty link you guys are all here because you know what's
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  going on so drop your questions in the comments live while we're talking through this as well,
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  and it's going to be a great So boys,
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  since we last had you on,
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  What are you finding now with filming with Meta?
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  Are you noticing a lot more people are doing it now? Are you still enjoying
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  it? Are they still doing well in video form? You know, let's go with Adam first.
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  What's been the latest? Yo, yeah, definitely a lot more people online doing
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  it. I'm seeing lots of these pop up, mostly visual tricks that take very little
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  skill, no real interaction skills. It's just like, hey, I'm at a cashier.
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  Here's my extreme burn. Let me change some paper and some money.
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  Ta-da. and then also with the hyper meme cuts you know it cuts to like the whoa
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  or like the different little meme clips that will get interspersed amid to hype
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  up someone who's got zero card skills as he does card tricks for a drunk person at 3 a.m
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  so like it's all good man like get out there and share the magic like you know
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  i'm not here to like shit on anybody's work like do your thing and we've all
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  got to start somewhere but definitely noticing a lot of lower effort people
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  getting out to do it they're still getting out to do it so that takes effort so good on them
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  but there's been a saturation to some extent.
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  And yesterday I was sent through a link from a friend over in Spain.
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  And he said that Spain has just become absolutely saturated with everybody doing
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  it. They've all kind of got together and decided we should all be doing this.
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  And they've all got out and started doing it.
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  Some routines that seem a little carbon copy of what I do, which is cool.
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  Whatever, man, like it's out there, do the thing.
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  But yeah, it's interesting to see how we have hit critical mass real quick yeah
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  it's interesting and i wonder if like that means.
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  People are going to all try it just like with nfts like everyone had an nft
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  and and eventually like they all 90 of it ended up being
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  bullshit for lack of a better term from gary v himself but then the ones that
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  did well like really did well so i wonder if that will be a similar case but
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  yeah harrison what about you man,
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  Yeah, so I mean, I think the original question was like, just sort of what's
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  going on with the Metaglass right now in my life, not necessarily exactly the
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  same thread that Adam took, right?
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  Yeah, yeah. So like recently, you know, I've been starting to actually like
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  go out and film the videos, like sort of like Adam does, very much inspired
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  by Adam's ability to like go out and make a bunch of videos.
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  Whereas like sort of months ago, I would make like one video every like few
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  weeks, and it would just be like something that would happen.
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  And it was great. But like, so I've been actually going out to make the videos
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  for the past maybe month and a half.
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  Almost two months and I've learned a lot like from that learned a lot about
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  like you know different ways to make the videos different ways to interact with
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  various different groups
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  uh you know different places where you can get a lot of videos quickly but maybe
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  the videos aren't as vibey whereas another place where you got to like walk
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  around and you have like a bunch of shitty groups but then you hit like this super vibey situation.
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  So that I've been having fun with and and yeah just like sort of realizing recently
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  that like i'm i'm not interested in you know the views or the likes or the comments
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  what i'm more interested in is like
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  like can i make an uncut like three minute long video that i really like
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  you know that i really like and and it's harder and harder to really like the
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  video especially like now i watch
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  myself in like more professional circumstances like monday night magic
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  and i don't like the videos as much because they just have it's more like that
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  they don't have to have as much vibe
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  but but yeah it's just like you know the more that you use these glasses the
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  more that you start to figure stuff out
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  the more that you like you know you'll do a routine you'll be like oh i can
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  do that like a little bit smoother next time and then the next time you do that
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  that part of the routine a little bit smoother and maybe the group is like a
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  little bit more interesting and then it's a banger video so like.
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  You know just trying to constantly like say okay each time that i do this even
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  if nobody ever sees the video i'm like hopefully like learning something more
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  about making eventually a good video with the glasses.
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  Do you find that as well, Adam, like from the first 10 videos you did to,
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  to the ones you're doing now, is it hard to watch them back or are you still?
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  It depends which performance is like, there was a couple, I think number 11
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  went viral for me. I got like a hundred thousand views on my number 11.
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  And then it took until like number 80 before I got another like big video.
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  But I remember that helped, but really it was me. Actually, I went to a friend's
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  birthday, just gathering outdoors in a bar in the daytime by the water.
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  And there were a bunch of like people i could just kind of pounce on and do
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  tricks for so i was just doing bits in my own repertoire whilst filming and
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  i didn't really have to face the approach but but when i look at the way i was approaching people
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  yeah definitely a difference in the energy my uncertainty and i think maybe people would have like
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  found that endearing you know the earlier stages it might be more relatable
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  and now i think i've got a little bit more like confidence and swag with it
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  it's so funny that he says this because i i made this little this little chart
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  Right here. It says Adam.
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  Right. Look at this. And it says on the 21st of April, Adam Axford had around 8,000.
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  Oh, you put me full screen. Is that what happened? Yeah.
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  Yeah. He had around 8,000 following maybe. Yeah.
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  7,000. We can really get this going here. Look at it. Yeah. He had around 8,000.
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  And then 112 days later, right? After he started posting like all these videos.
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  And this was the first day that he posted his number one of all the videos. Right.
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  And so now here we are, and this is less than, right, less than four months later.
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  And look at this number here, right? That's where we are right now for Adam Akers.
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  And then what I was saying at the bottom was he's better, smoother,
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  and happier, right? So if you go and you watch his videos at the very beginning
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  and at the very end, you can just see all of these things that are just...
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  Starting to meld in adam axford thank you bro appreciate that i'm actually i'm
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  on 59.9 and we're going to hit 60k during this hour yeah,
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  at some point we want air horns again tell us when it happens yeah bring in
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  bring in we need a party girls to come celebrate i want a cake with a woman
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  that jumps out of it so guys in the comments if you're not following adam go
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  and quickly follow him now.
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  So we can get to 60 if you are the 60th person we'll send you a magic guys t-shirt
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  you have to send a screenshot of that,
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  and and in the comments let us know if that does actually happen we've got a
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  south ball here saying he's on it so thank you we're sending in what um power
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  we have here at the magic guys this is great but,
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  i can definitely attest to the the swagger of watching adam's videos because
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  in the beginning it was like hey do you want to see some magic or it might have
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  started mid performance
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  but now you you start your trick within the same sentence of approaching someone,
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  and explaining your filming you're like hey i'm doing magic for a thousand people
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  i'll read your mind think of any country and it's not just that but he approaches
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  people who are like moving so he like he like intercepts people who are like
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  on their way somewhere which for me is like like i almost never do that
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  that's not my thing at all that's crazy it is crazy maybe,
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  yeah maybe and like you approach people that are like so the guy's like going
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  to get his plane he's like he's like in the luggage line and adam's like magic
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  and the guy's like yes and you're
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  like okay well okay here we go i guess magic yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
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  Amazing it's got it it's got to be good the happiness is a really good point
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  mate i see you put happier on the bottom there and i had to say like
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  so i've had a rough time last couple of years just in my own head i'm a creative
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  i'm a poet i'm a magician it's i'm an artist i'm a sensitive little soul so i need to get into that
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  but i feel the high is really high and then sometimes i go through months of
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  just like what the hell is all of this nonsense why don't i just retire and
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  live with coconuts on a beach in thailand and
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  y'all and i get that all the time we're gonna do that too adam like it's coming man yeah,
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  honestly once bitcoin halving hits in 2028 i'm out of here.
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  So anyway the happiness though so i this was to kind of get myself off a ledge
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  this earlier this year i was like what the hell's going on every day i work
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  out i squeezed in some cardio like i do skipping
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  and and stuff at home every day every day every day and i'm like i'm doing that i'm I'm eating well.
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  I'm putting my emails out, I'm contacting clients, everyone's ghosting me,
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  no one gives a fuck, I'm done with convincing people that I'm worth it,
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  I've won awards, I've performed at the Opera House, I'm fucking, I'm good.
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  And no one want to book me. No one seemed to care. No one seemed to want to
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  respond to my emails. I send boxes of chocolates with a signed copy of my book
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  and letters written to clients to introduce and no one gives a shit.
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  I literally felt like I may as well fart in a jar and throw out a wall because
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  I would get more impact from that than I was getting from any of my outreach.
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  So I literally there's like, all right, I need something to do.
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  And I didn't know what the mission was. I had all this energy and it was becoming
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  frustrating and festering. Right.
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  And then I found the mission and like credit to like josh he's advised me in
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  the past like i have lots of like highbrow stuff and it can be a bit too complex for the average viewer
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  and i was like look i'm not going to dumb down my content but i can dumb down
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  the storyline so the storyline was like screw it i'm going to do a thousand
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  moments of magic with strangers that'll do i'll just pick that there's this
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  low hanging fruit i can do that that's a big mission but i can do it
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  i don't want to start that like a hundred wasn't even a thought it was like
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  obviously that's not enough you know of course I'll do a thousand and then I
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  realized and then dramatically although I still had my ups and downs during
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  the journey and I still do
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  this week has been a little bit of a lower energy week but in general like I'm
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  happier because I'm on a mission and I figured that the cure for male depression is so.
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  Simple it's not easy but it is simple and it is two things
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  you need a workout and you need a mission and that is it if you work out every
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  day and keep your body and your that workout should be spiritual practice and
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  then you have a mission somewhere to like push yourself and go it doesn't matter
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  what it is just go and do that thing all the time
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  man it just cured everything i just feel so much better actually got some gigs
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  coming through now and i'm connecting with you guys i've got community across
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  the world now from doing this it's beautiful so fix,
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  yeah fix yourself i fixed my tricks and it helped me fix my head as well yeah,
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  sick yeah yeah i'm sick bro.
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  We can't hear you, Joshy. We lost you there, Josh, for some reason.
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  Oh, you lost, damn it. Did you hear the air horn or did you?
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  Yeah, we heard the air horn.
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  Oh, the air horn must have been so monumental it put me on mute. That's funny.
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  But to Harrison's point, yeah, like you didn't even choose 100 days.
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  You didn't choose like the 365, which is, you know, another typical big challenge.
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  You're trying straight for 1,000. And it's not days, it's moments.
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  So sometimes I'm posting three or four clips a day, depending on how much I've
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  stacked. And there's times where I've left spares and I just don't even post
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  them because they kind of dated, whereas, oh, that was three weeks ago and I haven't posted it.
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  I'll just let that be on the cutting room floor, you know? Yeah.
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  Yeah. Now, we did have someone in the chat ask, which is quite interesting. And they're saying...
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  Like when you work on a new effect to perform POV, do you actually practice
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  it with the metas and review the footage to see if it works?
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  Or do you just go on the street and try it straight to camera?
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  Every once in a while, I will like put on the metas to like see like,
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  oh, like, will the metas catch this?
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  Like other than that, no. Like, and also never do I practice,
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  you know, I'm, I'm just, I'm just going out there and doing magic and then messing
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  it up and trying to do it better the next time.
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  But but i would say the only time that i use the metas to like see what the
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  metas see is when exactly that i'm probably doing some like card peek or move
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  or placement or something and i want to see like oh like how do,
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  i have to hold my hand so that the glasses won't see that and i'll stand here
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  in front of the mirror and i do it in front of the mirror which is cool because
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  when you're in front of the mirror you get the glasses of the mirror and you get you get the,
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  thing so you can see where your hands are but then you can also see in the mirror
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  like the relationship to different
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  parts of your body so it helps you remember where to hold your hands,
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  yeah nice i had two stories relating to this actually i'll be quick with both
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  of them yesterday i went out and did just a new routine straight off the bat
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  that i was like piecing together some bits and it was the first time doing it
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  and i did like four times uh it worked really well for
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  three of the groups one of the guys didn't pick up on the instant stooging kind of thing i was doing.
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  This video Fucking loved this video that you put out the other day. Oh, my God.
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  I was like, dude, like, you're walking out there, and I know I'm interrupting
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  you, but, like, in such a short period of time, you're doing so many things
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  that require so many different little things to all, like, coerce and happen
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  together. It was really good.
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  No, I'm very happy with this routine. And it worked just straight up.
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  And I learned on a job because the one you saw was the last performance of the four.
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  And it's definitely the best. Whereas the others, I was learning on the job to do it.
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  And I think that I'll probably post them, but I'll see how they look.
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  And then the other day on Saturday, I went out and shot and I did this beautiful group.
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  And he was so keen when I said, oh, do you want to do magic?
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  He was like, yeah, like he was excited.
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  And his missus was really like cute. And the two of them were just like perfectly
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  on board and then like three quarters of the way through i flashed so badly
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  my impression peak device to.
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  Where because essentially i tried a new method of getting it whereas i had just
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  like a few business cards strapped around on a rubber band to my prism so i
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  could get out and the idea would be that i would like let's just say draw,
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  something on here and i'd be like you focus on this and i'm just like looking at the peak device
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  but ideally i would show with my glasses and then bring it here and look down
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  so the camera doesn't see it
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  and then bring it back and anyway I started filling this thing out and obviously
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  I just left windows and I forgot that I didn't just so he the guy was like oh
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  oh I've just seen how it works oh and the girl didn't and I got to the point where I was like oh no
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  and I just owned the moment with them and I was like I'm trying something new
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  and I don't always do this and I've completely failed I just had a human moment
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  with them and ended up showing them how it worked just to kind of equal the
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  playing field and then i got out a book and did a book test with her
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  and that was cute but failed by not practicing enough with the mechanics and
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  trusting myself my autopilot kicked in and i forgot so
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  it happens the best part about the meta glasses for me is like that.
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  You know you you can do it like alone and and if you learn how to like iterate
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  which means to like do it over and over again,
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  Then you can like So like a lot of times when I'm approaching Groups for the set I'm like,
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  I'm just like going on vibes like let's Go into this and see where it goes like
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  total Jazz no plan which is not Always good for videos because if you have a
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  little bit Of a plan it helps to make a good video
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  And if you're just total jazz then it's Like you might end up with like a kind
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  of a shitty ending Or like a shitty middle or something Like that so.
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  I'm never really like going in with exactly what I want to do.
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  But what's cool about the glasses is if you can sort of switch to that,
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  which sometimes I do. And I go in, I'm like, okay, I'm going to try this like
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  hard sequence of stacked stuff that all kind of fits together.
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  And there's like four different things happening at the same time.
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  I'm going to try it. And the best part about the metaglasses is you're alone.
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  The people have agreed to make a video with you. There's no obligation to post that video.
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  And you can just like try stuff and then because you're alone because you have
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  these glasses and because you're comfortable with these people and you've learned
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  how to approach them now you'll find like okay you've gotten out of the mode
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  of just just jazzing like you're practicing this trick now
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  you're practicing this specific trick and you're approaching each group and
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  you're doing like that trick over and over and over again and it's shitty and
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  it's shitty and it's shitty and it's like oh that was a good one there's a good
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  one okay that one's nice but then you go back and you realize like oh like
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  this one's like kind of shitty but like it's kind of nice too,
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  and and then what i do with that is and i.
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  I really like my new thing is like don't care about views don't care about likes like if
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  i like the video it's good so like there's some videos where i know like there's
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  no hook the beginning is boring it's like nobody will like really like innately
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  want to watch this video but like it has a banger ending but i'm not gonna tell
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  anybody i'm just gonna like put it out
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  Let it get like it's 200 likes or whatever.
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  And that's totally fine with me. And like hide that banger ending at the end.
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  And then like the people who really like my videos, they watch till the end
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  and they're like, whoa, bro, whoa, whoa.
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  And like nobody else ever sees it.
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  And, and that's what I like to do with like the sort of less,
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  uh, perfect sets. And like when you're, when you're trying and maybe you don't
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  have a perfect version of something yet, you like put it at the end of a really
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  long video that has other good stuff in it.
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  And then it's like, you put it out there, but you didn't like put the weight
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  on it and you can reiterate it later on.
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  Yeah. I mean, the final moments can be some of the best parts,
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  you know, like I've got a few videos where like my final line in the video has
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  been like the peak of the video.
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  And where you cut it really helps so there's three i can think of the first
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  is i do this whole routine with a police and i do my coin routine coin under
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  watch and then the guy goes oh no
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  this is a safety concern like keep the distance and then he goes oh you might
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  go for my gun and then i said what
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  use is a gun with no bullets and then i laugh like a maniac and run off
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  and that was like a mic drop moment then there was another one
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  where from the other day when this guy was super untrusting like he was warm
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  but he was like is this a scam is this going to cost me this and he kept unsure
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  and i was like no one's going to roofie you bro and at the end of the video,
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  he throws his arms open for a hug and i go in and i hug and as i get it i go
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  this is where i get the wallet and then i cut the video there
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  and people loving getting to the final moment and being that last line and then
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  the best one i had was with these two like really gorgeous young girls who approach
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  and i just get accused of this being staged every day i get this is staged this is fake these actors
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  which means i'm doing my job well because i never met these people before and
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  i'm never meeting them again but they approach i do this trick and at the end
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  the girl was like how did you do it and i just said i did it well and i just
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  like leave and people are like.
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  Scorched down this is a simple line you know we've all used it but just the
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  timing and it's for those people who bother to get to the end of the video for
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  sure and you're like yeah that's end in style you got the aura points,
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  I have a question. Okay. So right there. Like, so the ending of these videos is so important.
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  I think that like, at least for the artistic style that me and Adam are going
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  for, which is like, again, different from that, like meme sound effect style
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  of like kind of similar point of view videos is that we are going for like a start to finish video.
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  That's uncut. That has like a through line that is succinct, that makes sense.
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  And the ending is so important. And like, he's talking about like,
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  okay, we want to, we want to cut it in a certain place to make the ending either
• 20:52
  funny or interesting or dramatic.
• 20:54
  Make the ending have some sort of vibe. They're also the ending is the end of
• 20:57
  the magic trick. So hopefully it's really amazing.
• 20:59
  There's these reactions that the people on the internet soak up and they get
• 21:02
  to like sort of feel these human vibes from everybody.
• 21:04
  But one thing that I've been finding recently, I don't know if Adam,
• 21:06
  if you find this, it's like.
• 21:08
  When I'm like in the midst of a video that I know is like going smoothly,
• 21:12
  because we're like magicians, right?
• 21:14
  We can feel our own like smoothness and we like, it's like, oh,
• 21:17
  it's smooth, smooth, smooth, smooth, smooth, right? When I'm in the midst of
• 21:21
  like a smooth set, I start to like be like, oh, like, how do I bring this to a close with a bang?
• 21:28
  And now I'm trying and all the best videos where like I really did a good ending
• 21:33
  to the video, either was a banger ending with the magic or a banger ending with
• 21:36
  what i said or the walk away or whatever
• 21:39
  it was like it was natural it just kind of happened and my problem now is that
• 21:43
  like when i get to this moment at the end of the video i'm like oh how am i
• 21:46
  going to land this plane and then make it a banger and then i get in my head and i mess it up,
• 21:51
  so that that's that's where i am now yeah.
• 21:55
  Yeah pressure's on yourself,
• 21:59
  yeah do you want it's your own pressure right that's so and it's like and i
• 22:03
  can feel it in the videos it's like it's oh so good and then like i can see
• 22:07
  myself in my own head and i.
• 22:13
  Ruin the ending like oh no oh no hey let's talk about ethics real quick,
• 22:19
  yeah we got that on an agenda so like i got a couple of reach outs last week
• 22:23
  that kind of like rocked me a little bit first was a call i got i was on the
• 22:27
  phone to someone and I got a call and I got the voicemail and it was like oh this is sergeant,
• 22:32
  such-and-such from Chatswood police give me a call back I'm like.
• 22:37
  Ah what's this so i called her back and she's oh yeah i'm looking at one of
• 22:41
  your video clips i'm like
• 22:43
  all right okay what's up and she's like yeah so you're in a bank and you're
• 22:47
  like printing money with paper and then like you're paying it into the cash
• 22:52
  and i just started laughing hysterically over the phone
• 22:56
  oh sorry yeah okay what's up and then she's like i just want to know what your
• 22:59
  intent was with this clip i'm like intent,
• 23:03
  intent i said i'm a magician i do magic trick you know this though right you've
• 23:07
  looked through my page you've googled me right and she said yeah i said and
• 23:10
  you've seen me doing magic for your colleagues other police out there on the street right yeah,
• 23:16
  so what's the problem do you want me to take like the clip in questions a really
• 23:20
  beautiful interaction the woman handles it really nice it's a lovely like moment
• 23:24
  like there's like if i can take it down if you want me to like no one's asked
• 23:27
  but i can remove the clip And she said,
• 23:30
  yeah, but how can you expect like NAB, the bank, to know who you are?
• 23:36
  And I said, I was paying it into my account.
• 23:40
  I needed two forms of ID to set up this account. I gave them my ID to pay the
• 23:45
  money in and it's posted on my channel. Like, like I'm not sure how to hide
• 23:49
  it. And anyway, she went, all right, well, thanks for calling back and hung up on me.
• 23:52
  I was like, oh, so it rattled me a little bit. So I'm like, oh,
• 23:55
  this is not the sort of attention I want. You know, I was hoping to get booked
• 23:58
  for the policeman ball this year.
• 24:01
  But anyway, what a buffet that would have been. And then we've got the next
• 24:05
  day, I get an email from Nine News, a journalist at,
• 24:09
  Channel Nine News, inquiring about the hysteria and the contention around the
• 24:14
  use of metaglasses and all of this.
• 24:16
  I'm like, what contention, man? Like, what are you chatting about?
• 24:19
  What's this new inflated fear we've got?
• 24:21
  So I had this like chat with the reporter and I was really like adamant to not
• 24:24
  like be misrepresented. And he put me as a kind of figure of ethical guidance,
• 24:29
  along with another creator who's got 10x the followers of me,
• 24:32
  does a traveling the world guy.
• 24:34
  And yeah, so I feel that the levels that they were putting in for ethics,
• 24:38
  they were heavily leaning into the pickup artist community, picking up chicks,
• 24:42
  using the Ray-Bans and then posting these videos online unfairly for the women.
• 24:47
  And then the article went on to talk about countries such as Saudi Arabia and
• 24:52
  another country without mentioning the women's freedoms at all.
• 24:57
  I don't understand how these two things are in the same conversation and we
• 25:00
  didn't bring it up, but Hey, we care about our women a lot over here.
• 25:03
  So let's look out for them.
• 25:06
  So it was strange how the fear mongering focused on that. They go for something
• 25:09
  that's like an empathy thing and they try to drum it up. But the reality is
• 25:13
  because an $89 pair dropped in Kmart and sold out.
• 25:17
  So the narrative now is the problem is that poor people can have them and that's
• 25:22
  why the government are kicking up a fuss because now poor folk have got access
• 25:25
  to these camera glasses so it did make me laugh
• 25:29
  but uh ultimately the guideline i have is try to get consent where you can and let people know
• 25:34
  and always remove a clip as soon as they ask without any question i,
• 25:40
  whenever it happens i had some real high performing clips lately it's kind of
• 25:43
  damaged my channel's movement recently because two of my highest performing
• 25:47
  10,000 views an hour type videos.
• 25:49
  I had to take down within four or five hours because they'd inboxed me saying
• 25:53
  I didn't feel comfortable.
• 25:54
  And I would just say, of course, thank you. You are radiant and you've been
• 25:57
  the asset to, you know, the world. Thanks. Goodbye. Like, and that's it.
• 26:02
  So does it ever cross, does it ever cross your mind to say, well,
• 26:06
  what dollar figure would make you comfortable with it?
• 26:11
  Well, I mean, that's interesting. It's interesting, isn't it? Yeah.
• 26:15
  Yeah. Nah, People don't want fucking 20 bucks or whatever I'm going to get out.
• 26:18
  Yeah, and also to keep the money out of that aspect of it is good, I think.
• 26:24
  Yeah. And I really like everything that Adam said there and all about the ethics of the videos.
• 26:32
  I think, not to parrot everything that he said, but in my world.
• 26:38
  The most important thing is that the people in the videos feel comfortable being
• 26:41
  in the videos or having been in the videos.
• 26:44
  And I've also had people message me and ask me to take videos down videos with
• 26:48
  millions of views on multiple platforms.
• 26:50
  And I'm like, bro, like, you're like the other six guys like approved this video
• 26:54
  like a month ago. And it's been on the internet for like a month,
• 26:57
  like definitely like there's like TikTok accounts. Let's see all my videos that
• 26:59
  have this video. He's like, he's like, I don't care, man. I need to take it
• 27:03
  off your account. No problem.
• 27:05
  Took it down of everything, you know, you don't, you just archive it.
• 27:08
  You just, it's, it's gone. I mean, you can delete it if you want,
• 27:11
  but you just archive it. It's just, it's not there anymore. Nobody can find it.
• 27:14
  And, and yeah, that's really important. Like no video is as important as,
• 27:17
  as someone feeling comfortable.
• 27:19
  And even if they, you know, agreed to the video and then feel uncomfortable
• 27:22
  after the fact, like I had a recent video where it was a banger too.
• 27:25
  I like walked up to these guys outside this car and they're like drinking Hennessy outside the car.
• 27:30
  And, and they're like, I'm like, Oh, you want to make a magic video?
• 27:33
  And they're like, yes. And then he's got the girl on the FaceTime and she's
• 27:36
  smoking a blunt on the FaceTime and I'm, I'm producing name cards for her on
• 27:39
  the FaceTime next to the car where they're drinking the Hennessy.
• 27:42
  And it was the banger ending too. It was a good video.
• 27:45
  And it was up for like, maybe like a few hours. And the guy messaged me and
• 27:48
  it's, it's amazing. Like the politeness of the messages that you get from people
• 27:52
  who, who want their video taken down.
• 27:54
  And, uh, and of course, yeah, you know, you just take it down immediately because,
• 27:58
  because that's, yeah, you don't, you don't, you don't only have,
• 28:01
  You only have the ability to show them on the internet with their permission.
• 28:06
  I mean, that's not legally what it is.
• 28:09
  You have far more permission than that legally. But I think that in order to
• 28:13
  be able to sleep at night for me and for Adam, there's like a very specific
• 28:17
  way that we make these videos with very few outliers throughout the process. Yeah.
• 28:24
  We have, it's so well said. yeah it's better to have your your morals and be
• 28:29
  able to sleep at night and not worry that your name will get tarnished with
• 28:33
  people that's why I like like and I was talking about this ad the other day I think,
• 28:38
  that like i never want the video to be viral for like the wrong reason right
• 28:43
  so like i have videos that aren't usable and it's like this video would get
• 28:45
  a lot of views and there'd be like crazy comments on this video
• 28:48
  but it's not about the skill of the magic and the interesting interaction it's
• 28:53
  about like how that crazy drunk guy was like like freaking out the entire trick
• 28:59
  and and that girl you know fell over at the end and it's like those and maybe
• 29:03
  it's a funny video but like is that what i want to put on the internet to represent
• 29:07
  like the work that i'm doing no that's what's separating
• 29:11
  you gentlemen from the what i call the pranksters of the world putting up,
• 29:15
  crazy videos like adam sent me a walk just a crazy video,
• 29:20
  from russia or something of like pov oh my like the amount of violation of privacy was insane.
• 29:28
  I said it to harry it was the guy who's drunk on the bench and his mate just
• 29:32
  wakes him up by picking him up by the legs and swinging him around and then
• 29:37
  slaps his face opens his eyes up and it's all through pov
• 29:40
  and i'm like we've barely unlocked level one there are,
• 29:44
  like this guy looks like he's like a hundred kilos and
• 29:48
  you just see him just get like he stays in one spot but you see the ground start
• 29:53
  to appear because he's been trapped up and then you see his arms just start
• 29:56
  to go up like this because he's now getting swung around as a grown man and
• 30:00
  he's still out of it like drunk or whatever,
• 30:03
  and it's gonna i'm gonna throw in something here that maybe maybe is a tangent
• 30:06
  maybe i i shouldn't even say but i think that i think that it's interesting
• 30:09
  so you know we watch a lot of this pov stuff we see it i'm sure you guys have
• 30:13
  seen this these maybe probably multiple accounts that do this
• 30:16
  but you know like there's like sponge dong accounts where the main thing is
• 30:18
  that they present sponge dong for beautiful girls in uh polynesian countries
• 30:23
  seemingly something like that
• 30:24
  right you guys has seen these kind of videos, right?
• 30:26
  And what I find interesting about that is like.
• 30:30
  Clearly, the videos are consensual. The girls are usually extremely beautiful,
• 30:36
  but the videos are not necessarily objectifying them.
• 30:39
  It is more of like, you know, just a video with beautiful girls in it.
• 30:43
  And then the sponge dong is presented in a very like funny, low,
• 30:48
  you know, commitment way, which is fun. Everybody's having fun.
• 30:51
  And you see these girls like light up. like and and it's
• 30:55
  it's it's sort of like you watch these videos you're like wow these are like
• 30:58
  beautiful videos it's kind of like beautiful for the wrong reason but you can
• 31:02
  you just get to see like this this like this beautiful reaction to this like basically dirty joke,
• 31:09
  and the thing about that channel is like or multiple instagram accounts is like,
• 31:13
  they're doing a really good job like it seems like they're doing a really good
• 31:17
  job it's not what i want to do
• 31:18
  it also takes something that is like a not skill effect and it places the,
• 31:25
  the reason for the video being so amazing a lot on the fact that it's a sponge
• 31:29
  dong and not necessarily like the skill of the person who puts the sponge dong in their hand
• 31:33
  um but like but yeah when you just use a deck of cards you just use like you know mentalism,
• 31:40
  What happens is it forces the reason why the video is amazing to be because
• 31:47
  you were able to manipulate the object in front of you that everybody else has access to.
• 31:53
  And by not using a sponge dong, I think there's value there.
• 31:56
  I think that the sponge dong thing, congratulations, I think it's really cool.
• 32:01
  But about like i i love not using the sponge dong and having when i have a good
• 32:07
  video i know it's like oh i did that with just a deck of bridge cards that anybody could buy,
• 32:13
  and and that becomes apparent at the end of the video when you have a good one
• 32:17
  and people like the video they're like wow like
• 32:19
  he's doing that with just a regular deck of cards and that's where the feeling
• 32:22
  of the skill comes from whereas when you watch the sponge dong videos you're
• 32:26
  not feeling that skill perfect yeah,
• 32:30
  yeah there's it's two different schools right one is this is the sponge dong
• 32:35
  video and another one is this is the harrison or adam video right you are the
• 32:40
  entity that they'll want to see again whereas you can't tell sick tickets to a sponge dong,
• 32:45
  show right i mean.
• 32:49
  I i've watched like about a hundred of those videos so maybe yeah,
• 32:54
  it's interesting i got a small story that's a perfect analogy leading into a
• 32:59
  four letter word that summarizes exactly what's happening here
• 33:03
  and a good friend worked on a cruise ship he was trying to get like cruise director
• 33:06
  kind of role and he was working and doing some events it's like an assistant director
• 33:10
  anyway he goes and does a comedy act and he was really complaining at me about
• 33:15
  to me about something that was said by his superior during he goes oh i told
• 33:19
  this joke and i was like ah yeah you know we all know like what a twos what a threesome is
• 33:23
  and i guess a twosome such and such this that and he goes
• 33:26
  but you know now I know why people call me handsome or something.
• 33:29
  So he does this joke about the threesome, the twosome, and then the handsome, the onesome.
• 33:35
  And then his director was like, yeah, dude, you're just a hack.
• 33:38
  There's just like hack jokes. And he was really offended that he said that.
• 33:41
  And I'm like, yeah, like that's a hack joke.
• 33:44
  It's like a thing that exists is everyone's joke. It's public domain.
• 33:48
  You may as well have drawn Mickey Mouse and been like, yo, I did a cartoon, yo, check it out.
• 33:53
  Like it's a rendition of some old idea.
• 33:56
  And the hack thing is what gets to me. And I feel like this is my arc as like
• 34:00
  a creative people who are hacky.
• 34:02
  And I can think of people who are competitors within this industry here in this
• 34:07
  city who, when I met them, the reason I don't.
• 34:11
  Resonate with them at all is I just sense overwhelming hack in everything that
• 34:16
  they do and everything that they are.
• 34:18
  And this is my judgment, fair enough. And I could be very wrong,
• 34:21
  though you can pick up on it. And it's people who are going for these shortcuts.
• 34:25
  So if you're going to be there, I'm going to get smash it with the views and
• 34:27
  get do dong and do even Boris the spider, you know, like no harm in it.
• 34:31
  Printing the money you know it's like yeah you were printing the money you got
• 34:33
  the call from the police but like you see these guys now there's so many accounts
• 34:37
  walking into the cashiers and printing the money those are definitely not consensual
• 34:41
  videos those are essentially,
• 34:45
  using money to elicit a very human response to a magic trick that is sort of
• 34:52
  proposed as real but is not real but like is this a magic show is this not a magic show
• 34:57
  so essentially those people and i'm not saying what they're doing is wrong.
• 35:00
  They're kind of silly videos and they're doing well with the views and everybody
• 35:03
  should have a million followers. I don't care about that. But like,
• 35:06
  But there's something that's like a little bit more sinister about using money,
• 35:12
  especially in this sort of non-consensual situation, but
• 35:14
  using money and then the person who's on the job who's supposed to take that
• 35:20
  money and then sort of capturing their
• 35:24
  thought process as they've just seen a fake piece of money turn into a real
• 35:28
  piece of money that they're then have the responsibility to decide whether or not they take it.
• 35:33
  And to then capture that is.
• 35:36
  In my mind, like it's a dirtier trick and that's why those videos go viral.
• 35:41
  But I don't want my videos to go viral because I have a money printer and because
• 35:45
  I'm taking advantage of a very, very complex and sort of private human nature
• 35:52
  that's being revealed in these videos.
• 35:54
  Yeah. I like that. That's so good. We have a few questions.
• 35:59
  Now, number one, and I'll premise it with I know we're all going to have different answers here.
• 36:03
  So because of the way we approach, so Sean's asking, how often do you ask people
• 36:08
  if they want to see magic and they say no, because he'd love to get out there
• 36:12
  and do this, but he's so worried that people will tell him to F off now. All the time.
• 36:17
  Yeah. And so just quickly, cause mine's very different. Cause I'm,
• 36:20
  I'm way more timid when I'm asking, like I'm, I'm there for an hour to pick
• 36:25
  the couple of groups that I know will say yes.
• 36:27
  So I'm very like standoffish, which is fine to start with, Sean,
• 36:31
  if you're worried about people saying no.
• 36:34
  However, when people say no, nothing actually happens. It's just you move on and it's fine.
• 36:38
  But for me, my hit rate is almost 90% because one, I haven't done the volume
• 36:45
  of asking as these guys have, but also like I'm really cherry picking the groups I know will say yes.
• 36:50
  So that's one way you could approach it. But if you really want to get out there
• 36:55
  and you think we're all getting yeses all the time, then it's it's very not the case.
• 37:01
  So, yeah, what is your guys' thoughts processes when you hear Sean's question?
• 37:08
  Let's go with, uh, let's go with Adam. What's, uh, what do you tell,
• 37:11
  tell them about yesterday?
• 37:12
  Cause you was, you know, yesterday that the, the gold answer is you got eight
• 37:17
  or 13 amazing clips, but to get those, what did you go through? 20 rejections maybe.
• 37:23
  So I got like eight rejections before anybody stopped yesterday.
• 37:26
  And then the first clip or the post I just made of a topless dude on the beach
• 37:30
  there, that was the first interaction that was positive that had a yes to it.
• 37:36
  And then that switched it all. So I look at it actually like it's only a short
• 37:39
  clip. I cut it near the end. My energy wasn't how I wanted to be,
• 37:42
  but it was a cool moment. And the guy inboxed me straight away saying, how did you do that?
• 37:45
  And he was being friendly and supportive. So I posted that today,
• 37:49
  but that was the turnaround. I still got rejections, but it really switched it up.
• 37:53
  So I'm going to, now there's a line by Jay-Z where he says, they asked me, how did you get so fly?
• 38:00
  I said, by not being afraid to fall out the sky. And there's a Jay-Z line from
• 38:04
  Kingdom Come album from the song Beach Chair.
• 38:07
  I'm a bit of a hip-hop a nerd and that particular line sticks with me because that is it I have to be
• 38:13
  willing to fail in style and it happens and sometimes I just fail and I don't
• 38:18
  even try to recover with it I just say hey something's gone wrong here and I
• 38:21
  fucked up I'm sorry to disappoint I'm out here trying ambitious things doesn't always work out.
• 38:25
  It's not you it's me i'm sorry to leave you with this disappointing feeling
• 38:28
  but i'm gonna go now and i hope we catch up in the future at some point and
• 38:32
  it's different and i'll just go and i'll just own it and wear it but the rejections
• 38:35
  come and i've had people like air horn their face like in my face.
• 38:40
  Like in my face i've had that before after i've said what's up beautiful couple
• 38:43
  and then this dude just act like that but then for the most part like no
• 38:47
  or they'll just no no no and they'll go some people will turn around i'm so
• 38:50
  sorry oh i would love to oh we're in a rush or we've got somewhere to be and
• 38:53
  they're really kind and they're really nice and it reminds me of that bit from
• 38:57
  deron's brown's book where he says that anybody
• 38:59
  who's made the point to sort of say hello i'll stop you always reiterate and
• 39:03
  show a degree of appreciation and presence
• 39:05
  and the second time i met deron brown was walking past him in the street and
• 39:09
  i said oh i don't know and he turned around thank you oh and then he turned
• 39:12
  back again no no thank you really grateful he did the thing that he says in his book
• 39:15
  and reiterated his gratitude for that moment and that was really awesome so
• 39:20
  yeah you get people behave in this way,
• 39:23
  people are awesome once you open them up and once your energy shifts after a
• 39:26
  few rejections then you'll notice that you start getting warm opens like real quick
• 39:31
  you just got to be willing to be the fool and to fail and be like what is this
• 39:35
  i'm stopping someone during their day to impose my reality on them,
• 39:39
  it's a side quest and not everybody is open to a side quest on their journey.
• 39:45
  Yeah. And it also has to do with how you open to like, you can't come in with
• 39:50
  nervous energy and be like, hey, guys, so sorry.
• 39:53
  Yeah, it's a nice day today. Hey, but like, I'm just wondering if I could just
• 39:57
  like, no, you're going to get a, this is a weird thing.
• 40:01
  But both Adam and Harrison have like just a surefire boom.
• 40:06
  You're letting them know that you're doing magic. Can I show you something? And I'm filming.
• 40:10
  And so you have to have I think a pretty concise entry That's like confident
• 40:14
  And puts them at ease Like okay this is what's happening Because you will get
• 40:18
  people say no But most people aren't kind about it And it actually doesn't affect you Yeah.
• 40:24
  And Harrison has a really good approach With his magic Where he's almost walking
• 40:28
  past them as well But yeah what I find is like So yeah if you want to you know
• 40:33
  Figure out how you're going to be Approaching people that day But like the main thing is That I say,
• 40:38
  is, all right, I'm a magician. I make magic. I make videos of my metaglasses.
• 40:45
  Do you guys want to make a magic video? And I mean, you get any iteration of
• 40:48
  that. Do you want to make a magic video right now?
• 40:50
  There's all sorts of different ways that you could like, you know,
• 40:52
  tweak those sentences to make them land better in various different situations.
• 40:57
  But like, what I find is that, you know, Josh is saying that he like waits for the right group.
• 41:03
  And Adam is kind of doing something a little bit different than me.
• 41:05
  Adam is like, because he's doing this thousand thing, He's like he's going for
• 41:10
  something, whereas I feel like when I approach people, I'm less like going for something.
• 41:14
  And I'm more just like trying to get into like a weird situation and see where that that goes.
• 41:20
  And what you'll find is that like if you get this, you know,
• 41:23
  thing down of being able to approach people and say, hey, I'm a magician.
• 41:29
  I do magic tricks. Do you guys want to make a magic video?
• 41:31
  And essentially you're spitting out this sentence. You know,
• 41:33
  I talk really fast, but you're spitting out this sentence before they really
• 41:37
  have a chance to like process each individual sentence.
• 41:40
  So by the time that all three sentences are out, like the group,
• 41:44
  hopefully you're approaching like a group. I tend to approach usually two or
• 41:47
  more people, at least two people, but like usually even more than two people.
• 41:51
  I like this sort of group dynamic.
• 41:53
  I don't approach people usually that are moving. I try and approach people that
• 41:57
  look interesting and accomplish whatever goal I'm trying to accomplish in the
• 42:01
  style of the video that I'm trying to make.
• 42:03
  But I'm approaching people usually that look like you might not approach them.
• 42:08
  That's part of my thing is to find people who it's like, oh my God,
• 42:12
  why is he approaching these kids on this bench smoking a joint?
• 42:17
  Like, oh, because I'm going to do magic for them.
• 42:19
  And you know what? They're going to be super appreciative. And they're going
• 42:22
  to love it. And they're going to want to see the video. And they're going to
• 42:25
  share the video with all their friends. It's so sick.
• 42:28
  But like, but yeah, so I am approaching people who usually are sitting,
• 42:33
  I'm using that like line. And what I find is that.
• 42:37
  If you get comfortable using this line and you keep your body sort of like moving
• 42:41
  and you kind of go low commitment, like I'm not going to stand up and do the
• 42:44
  whole thing that I did in the last podcast. But like, imagine you've got these
• 42:47
  like people who you're approaching.
• 42:50
  If you come in front of them and you stop and you get everybody's attention,
• 42:54
  then you go into the line of, oh, hi, I'm a magician. You know,
• 42:57
  I make videos of my meta glasses.
• 42:59
  And normally I have the glasses up on top of my head, which like like demonstrates
• 43:03
  the fact that like I am not yet doing anything. Not always. Like I do all sorts
• 43:06
  of different things to make the videos that I make.
• 43:08
  Like, this is what I would recommend. You have them up like this and,
• 43:12
  and, and you point to them as you say it.
• 43:14
  And what you're essentially doing is you're, you're approaching groups so that
• 43:18
  someone in the group wants to do it and then convinces everybody else in the
• 43:21
  group that they want to do it too.
• 43:23
  And that sort of like builds up a little bit of excitement already.
• 43:25
  And then you're in, and because there's like a group
• 43:28
  now, you're not really so much, usually not in every case, worried about like
• 43:32
  individual people becoming the star of the video, which It's not a problem if
• 43:36
  somebody becomes a star of the video in a good way, but you don't want somebody
• 43:39
  to become a star of the video.
• 43:42
  In a bad way where the video becomes about that thing or that person, that thing they said.
• 43:46
  And usually what I find is when you have these larger groups,
• 43:50
  it's easier to sort of have this like group think in this group dynamic and,
• 43:54
  the identity of each individual person kind of fades away.
• 43:57
  And maybe a lot of those problems that you're talking about with people wanting
• 44:01
  their videos down, taken down, goes away.
• 44:04
  And then the final thing is is like so instead of approaching the group and
• 44:07
  saying it slowly if you kind of just like come in and say it and look around
• 44:11
  like keep your body moving it gives them a chance to like
• 44:15
  just say no but also it gives them a chance to say oh but wait a second we want
• 44:19
  to know more and what you'll find is if they say no and you keep your body moving
• 44:23
  and this is the beautiful thing,
• 44:24
  and you just go because you never want to convince them that they want to do
• 44:27
  it if they say no it's a no you go.
• 44:29
  You'll hear them like laughing about the magician who just came up to them and
• 44:33
  asked them if they wanted to make a magic video.
• 44:35
  And even the most sinister looking people, like the security guards and the
• 44:39
  police officers, like, no, we're not going to make a magic video with you.
• 44:43
  We were told not, we're not allowed to make any more magic videos with any magicians.
• 44:47
  We had that in the meeting already.
• 44:49
  But as you're walking away, you hear them laughing. So it becomes like this
• 44:53
  net positive for everybody.
• 44:56
  It's like you went you tried to you know you tried to,
• 44:59
  get the video they said no you walk away they're laughing like it was a joke
• 45:03
  how silly was that guy who wanted us to make a video
• 45:06
  and if you kind of think about it like that again you can learn to iterate and
• 45:10
  iteration is like the thing that adam is doing and that i'm hopefully doing
• 45:14
  is to create videos over and over again because
• 45:18
  if you want to learn how to do this well and you know if you want to go viral
• 45:23
  or have like followers which again is not important what's important is making
• 45:26
  cool videos that you enjoy watching over and over again yourself videos of yourself
• 45:31
  that you enjoy watching like that's a crazy thing,
• 45:33
  yeah i sort of forgot where i was going here but yeah that's that's basically the idea is you.
• 45:38
  Yeah no i'm with you no no it's great it's it's very important and we also have
• 45:42
  a question from our boy nick what's up nick k,
• 45:46
  cruising around the world going to magic live and and i'm representing the bald
• 45:50
  man today but he's saying like have you ever considered
• 45:53
  censoring the identity of somebody so you can keep the video like delete it
• 45:57
  but then re-upload it with pixelated like what are your thoughts on that,
• 46:02
  No edits, bro. But there's one time I'm considering it. We've got a couple of
• 46:06
  mood beaches around here.
• 46:08
  And I was like, how can I do my routine for someone naked or a naked couple
• 46:16
  and be like, hey, I'm doing this and I will censor with pixels appropriately.
• 46:22
  But would you be willing to be part of this?
• 46:25
  So look, it's an ambition. Who knows?
• 46:28
  It would be amazing. It has to happen. It has to happen. It has to happen.
• 46:31
  It has to happen. And that is a perfect example of when you might pixelate.
• 46:37
  And obviously for them, they know you wouldn't be able to post a video of them
• 46:42
  nude anyway. Social media would strip it just from its own guidelines, right?
• 46:47
  Exactly. And then it'll be like, how many pixels are we talking, bro?
• 46:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that might be the time that you can, as an artist,
• 46:56
  use SpongeBob. Right, Harrison? I was just thinking.
• 47:01
  No i think i think it's a time when you should not use sponge time i think it's
• 47:04
  a it's a moment for like some really classy like linking rings like nude beach
• 47:09
  linking rings you know yes yeah fun song on the nude beach it's just there's too much
• 47:15
  yeah double double cross for it you know it could load it so many,
• 47:19
  different ways you guys see adam's double cross video yeah it's amazing it's,
• 47:24
  the best presentation double cross that i've seen and it's so funny you're in the thing is crazy
• 47:29
  yeah and i've seen i've i've been seeing adam do that for like many years and
• 47:33
  it's only it's amazing that only i asked adam in like 2018 i was like i was
• 47:38
  like adam may i use this presentation,
• 47:41
  yeah yeah it's good thank you for asking there's people who are in this city
• 47:45
  who have learned it from me and just post videos of them doing it without any credit,
• 47:50
  but whatever man like we said once an idea is out there it's out there and then
• 47:54
  the thing let me answer the question about the blurred faces from my point of
• 47:57
  view, just real quick, is I would not.
• 47:59
  So I don't like, you know, if somebody doesn't want a video,
• 48:02
  it's great. If there's a famous person who doesn't want to be in a video, it's great.
• 48:05
  I don't want to put like, you know, blurs over my video. I just,
• 48:09
  for my own peace of mind, I just want it just to be a video.
• 48:13
  Yeah. No, it's a great way to be as well. I don't want to be an editor.
• 48:18
  That's okay. Now we're down to the real insight. I want to, I want to put a point out as well.
• 48:23
  We're talking about rejections earlier. A couple of my real awesome moments
• 48:26
  have come off of the pivot of a rejection, right?
• 48:30
  So someone will be like, I know, thanks. And then the person walking behind
• 48:34
  them has witnessed this scene unravel and has been like, Hey,
• 48:38
  you're doing magic. I want to see magic. And they just like literally one man's
• 48:41
  trash, another man's treasure.
• 48:43
  And I'm like yeah sweet so that has happened a few times one with a really cute
• 48:47
  couple at sunset and I did card trick magic for him and he was so energetic
• 48:50
  and it was so lovely it's like a couple of weeks ago
• 48:53
  beautiful clip and then yesterday's one with this combo that Harrison was talking
• 48:57
  about earlier when I do the double cross at the end and,
• 49:00
  I get the guy to be the mind reader that was off the back of someone saying
• 49:03
  no and then this other dude is there barely you know he's not English he's not
• 49:07
  his first language and he's like magic you're doing magic and I was like yeah and then he's what
• 49:12
  i thought was his friends got involved but it wasn't people he didn't even know
• 49:15
  was that oh can we join and they came over and that's when i pitted them against
• 49:19
  each other and one became a mind reader but the whole group was like two sets
• 49:24
  of people who didn't know each other that found me off the back of a rejection
• 49:27
  and this is quite common so just being
• 49:30
  willing to realize that other people might,
• 49:34
  realize the value in something that others are dismissing And that's a beautiful
• 49:38
  thing to sort of be part of in real time too.
• 49:41
  And the better you get at, at your approach, the more, and I have two of these
• 49:45
  videos where I do a group and I immediately like leave the group and I do another
• 49:52
  group within the same video within the same three minutes.
• 49:56
  So, so like I finished a group and I turn, Hey, you guys want to make a magic
• 50:00
  video? You know what I mean?
• 50:01
  So I was, I was at a festival, but, but it's, um,
• 50:05
  If you learn to do your approach, you could do it over and over again.
• 50:08
  So yeah, it just goes right into the next one.
• 50:11
  And I'll say something else too that I'm just finding for my own personal video
• 50:15
  making that's a real headspin, and maybe anyone who spends time editing videos
• 50:20
  will find this interesting,
• 50:22
  is when I perform at the Theater of Magic, I film every show.
• 50:27
  I film it in 4K, in landscape so that I can edit it in vertical.
• 50:31
  I mic myself up. We have lighting. I'm in a professional setting which I feel
• 50:36
  in my head is like a more perceived value video because it's like a setting,
• 50:42
  people watching know people paid to be there and yeah, it's all ego and whatever,
• 50:46
  and I get these big reactions and.
• 50:49
  To me, I'm like, okay, this is a better video,
• 50:52
  that people will enjoy like that's what's in my head and i'll and i'll i will
• 50:55
  caption the whole thing you know i explode the heads at the end because that's
• 50:59
  just my fun way to end a video magic video that is otherwise awkward and i put all this time into it,
• 51:05
  and it's and it's fine and i post it and then i go on the street where i'm not
• 51:10
  paid to be there and it's a bunch of teenagers,
• 51:14
  and i caption nothing i explode no heads there's no music i've done nothing to it except hit post
• 51:20
  and it does better than the video i spent ages on well have you noticed josh
• 51:26
  that since you started making these street magic videos they're like already getting better.
• 51:30
  Yes that too you know i've seen i've maybe seen like three or four of yours
• 51:34
  and already it was like the first group
• 51:36
  was like these like you know like sort of punk or like goth kids or something
• 51:40
  like that and then like and you've iterated a couple times and now all of a
• 51:43
  sudden the people are like gathering around in a circle and it's like you're
• 51:46
  you're figuring it out real fast yeah,
• 51:49
  and i'm having like i'm having a lot of fun doing it as well it's so fun and
• 51:54
  it's like playing pokemon go it's amazing yes but what i mean and i think it
• 51:59
  also does depend on the frame of mind of where people are
• 52:03
  like which app they're on their phone watching this video because on youtube
• 52:07
  still the ones that are at the theater of magic that i put time into editing
• 52:11
  are still the ones doing way better than the POV.
• 52:14
  On YouTube, but Instagram, the set and forget, just post whatever is still consistently doing well.
• 52:21
  From just pfv and i don't know if that's because it's instagram owning meta
• 52:25
  and so therefore i don't know i don't know if that's a thing to it some points why this is
• 52:29
  i think it's because look so i'm gonna get a little bit philosophical here but
• 52:33
  like as we are magicians and sure we're playing this role and it's like a consumer
• 52:36
  booking service and all of that nonsense but like and.
• 52:39
  I i believe that i actually like am one in the spirit of how i operate my life
• 52:43
  and really it's about extracting positivity from negative moments
• 52:47
  and really real alchemy is turning lead into gold but that's just a metaphor right
• 52:51
  so it's like how do we extract the beauty and the wonder and the joy from the
• 52:55
  worst things so like in alchemy they would use like degrado and detritus and
• 52:59
  just waste products so you use shit to turn into shine you want to take trash
• 53:04
  and turn it into treasure
• 53:06
  so when you're out on the street and you're literally low effort approaching
• 53:09
  people on like this is what's happening and you're creating from the base materials
• 53:14
  of alchemy which is just like worthless.
• 53:16
  No one cares and then you're creating the best stuff
• 53:20
  and when you're at a theater show it's very different because people are expecting
• 53:23
  it and you're already in this high grade environment how much of a transformation
• 53:26
  are we really going to see
• 53:27
  whereas the idea is we're going to take something that is no magic at all just
• 53:31
  everyday thing and then we reveal the magic within that ordinary thing
• 53:35
  so this is the difference we're revealing a beauty and a wonder and as like
• 53:40
  magicians we can look at alchemy as an understanding of what we're doing because we're using lying
• 53:45
  cheating stealing deceiving and trickery right all of these evil things
• 53:50
  that humanity is capable of and we're utilizing them to create beauty wonder
• 53:54
  or amazement surprise joy laughter happiness the best things ever created from
• 53:59
  the worst so align yourself with a mushroom it grows on decaying matter
• 54:04
  and it can give you nutrients and it can connect you with god and it's like
• 54:07
  we can be that as a magician so uh.
• 54:10
  It's the similar thing for what you're talking about there Josh,
• 54:13
  man, you're turning these crappy little real world moments into absolute beauty and transformation.
• 54:20
  I think there's something about being on the street too, where like it's almost didn't happen.
• 54:24
  Whereas it feels like when you're in your theater, it's like,
• 54:27
  oh, well, this was going to happen. Like, oh, this was really cool.
• 54:29
  I'm like, wow, how did he find those cards? And like, what the hell is going
• 54:32
  on here? I'm like, oh, it's so funny.
• 54:34
  But like when it's on the street, it's sort of like, what's going to happen here?
• 54:38
  You know what I mean? And there's this aspect to it that's just different.
• 54:42
  Yeah, more tension. Yeah, you're right. I guess the thing that I struggle with,
• 54:47
  and I shouldn't because in this last week of just posting a lot more,
• 54:53
  on the street videos, my following count has gone up, which not that it should
• 54:57
  be the metric, but I can't help but notice it's getting more attention.
• 55:01
  You know, I keep going back to this idea of the stand-up comic and how they
• 55:06
  can build their career off of the stand-up clips they post of them doing shows.
• 55:12
  And that not working when a magician does that. If they post clips of their
• 55:17
  shows, that doesn't then lead to them being out of sellout arenas in the mass
• 55:21
  amounts that comedians can.
• 55:23
  But like, you know, this wouldn't translate to a comedian where they...
• 55:27
  Like if a comedian went and did POV videos on the street, trying to make people
• 55:31
  laugh, it's not going to do nearly as well as the crowd work and stand up clips
• 55:36
  they post on stage. Right. And so it's such an interesting difference.
• 55:41
  Whereas our like magician and a comedian is not that different in terms of entertainment.
• 55:48
  Like we're both showmen.
• 55:50
  There's an essence of wonder, which is different to laughing,
• 55:52
  but like there's such a difference in the roadmap to how they build their career.
• 55:58
  And, you know, there's a lot more famous comedians than there are magicians,
• 56:01
  but the framework doesn't work for us.
• 56:04
  And yeah, it's such a weird, it's such a weird mind mess for me.
• 56:08
  Harrison, give me the answer, please.
• 56:09
  I don't know the answer, but I think sort of what we're tapping into there is
• 56:14
  that like, you know, we're professional magicians.
• 56:16
  So we know how to like go in and engage people and make them have fun and do
• 56:22
  strong magic at the same time, which is like a very important skill set in itself,
• 56:26
  which a lot of maybe creators in the magic field don't necessarily have.
• 56:30
  You might have millions of followers, but you can't like really like go and
• 56:34
  like totally annihilate a bunch of people at an event.
• 56:36
  So because we have this like event background before any of the social media,
• 56:41
  what I think is happening with these POV videos is you are getting to sit in
• 56:47
  the seat of someone who is,
• 56:50
  interacting directly with another human being in a very like nuanced and controlled
• 56:56
  and practiced way and you can feel that
• 56:59
  and and so so when you watch these videos of these like street interactions
• 57:03
  different than comedy videos or not first person view videos or videos that
• 57:08
  are first person but the magician maybe isn't like a like a really good performing magician
• 57:13
  you don't get that same effect but there's something that happens when like
• 57:17
  good magicians put on the metaglasses and are good at working with people that
• 57:22
  the people who watch the videos get to appreciate the magic but then they also get to like
• 57:27
  sit in the seat of another human being's personality and.
• 57:32
  Look into someone's eyes and have that interaction i think that's part of what
• 57:38
  make the pov videos so like
• 57:40
  banger through a lens of mastery bro exactly through a lens of a master it's
• 57:45
  like all three of us here are absolute black belts are what we do you know like
• 57:49
  i've been through the run,
• 57:50
  the ringer of this for 20 years and as you guys have you put yourself in all
• 57:54
  situations performed in all,
• 57:56
  all different places good and bad and like you really have to do the groundwork
• 58:01
  so where there are you know newer magicians who've got this tech and they're
• 58:04
  going out and doing it the difference is you know like before i
• 58:07
  was doing magic i was running market stores across london so like i've been
• 58:10
  dealing with people coming to my show for me to sell them that that illusion
• 58:14
  forever and this is the,
• 58:17
  the the grace that we get to bring in the way that we hold the space for the person and a
• 58:23
  mind-blowing moment came through to me the other day where i was like wow when
• 58:27
  i'm watching these clips back i'm just seeing what i saw and did i'm just seeing
• 58:31
  a replay of my perspective with my hands and my cards and whatever else.
• 58:35
  But I've never been the person who has experienced this incredible moment with
• 58:41
  this magician who's approached. You're absolutely confounded, a mind blow.
• 58:45
  Then you go online and you watch yourself experiencing that.
• 58:51
  That's got to be a psychedelic trip in itself because suddenly you're then seeing
• 58:55
  yourself from, it's not a third person perspective. It's the second person in
• 58:59
  the interaction and you're witnessing your own mechanisms of understanding and
• 59:04
  the confoundment ripple through you.
• 59:06
  So it must be such a trip for people to turn on and look and see themselves
• 59:10
  through the perspective of the person who blew their mind and still not be able
• 59:14
  to figure any of it out, you know?
• 59:16
  So there's an interesting gift that we're giving. Totally.
• 59:20
  Yeah, really cool. For sure.
• 59:23
  Oh, we lost you again there, Josh. You're sound. I'm so sorry.
• 59:26
  I keep wanting to just listen to you guys So I mute myself But I shouldn't do
• 59:30
  that in life No, I'll end with this question What do you think the future of Meta or POV magic is?
• 59:39
  Like is this a limited amount of time We have to take advantage of?
• 59:42
  Do you think that in the future It'll be so common for everyone to have glasses
• 59:46
  That can film that When people at a gig say Oh, do you mind if I film this Instead
• 59:51
  of them having their phone out They'll just press their glasses on Like what do you think,
• 59:56
  magicians should know about metas right now like should they is this a thing
• 1:00:00
  they need to get on because it's going to get off soon or is it going to be
• 1:00:04
  the norm what do you think.
• 1:00:05
  I think that no matter what it's going to happen the way that it happens i think
• 1:00:08
  that if you can afford to buy yourself a,
• 1:00:12
  pair of these meta glasses you should get one you should get the new adventurer
• 1:00:18
  ones these new ones that are not ray-bans or oakley's and you should absolutely
• 1:00:23
  get them as far as it been like a limited amount of time. Oh, wait, hold on. Hold on.
• 1:00:27
  Okay. As far as there being limited, a limited amount of time,
• 1:00:32
  you know, I think it just is what it is.
• 1:00:33
  And like, these are not going to make you what you want to be.
• 1:00:36
  It's like, if you do great magic already, and you can capture them in the metaglasses,
• 1:00:39
  it's going to be hopefully banger. And if you have a terrible personality,
• 1:00:42
  and you're not good at magic, then it's gonna be hard to make good metaglass
• 1:00:45
  videos. But you can totally still try because the great thing about the metaglasses
• 1:00:49
  is you don't even post the video.
• 1:00:50
  I make mad bad videos like all the time, like in between every good video is like 40 bad videos.
• 1:00:56
  And you just don't have to post it it's easy it allows you to perform in a time
• 1:01:01
  when you're comfortable and you're relaxed and you've just like got these glasses
• 1:01:05
  on and after a few sets they can kind of sink into the background
• 1:01:09
  and you know all of a sudden you're you're performing like you would at any
• 1:01:12
  other gig and slamming sets and you're realizing like wow,
• 1:01:16
  i'm getting all this on camera like this is crazy.
• 1:01:18
  And and yeah they're not gonna solve anything that you were looking to solve
• 1:01:24
  but they're they're really useful i wouldn't say they like changed my life i
• 1:01:27
  got like lots of followers now but
• 1:01:29
  like that hasn't changed my life in necessarily a positive way you know
• 1:01:32
  so so i wouldn't say that they're the key to any any kingdom but it's like a
• 1:01:36
  super valuable piece of technology definitely worth the 300 business expense yeah man.
• 1:01:43
  Absolutely it's a leverage point for you to be the rock star that you are on
• 1:01:47
  stage but out there in the world because it's like
• 1:01:50
  i used to just be this guy and i'll be at the local pub and i'd be getting free
• 1:01:54
  pints and that was practicing and you know smoking joint outside the bar and
• 1:01:58
  just hanging out for free for three four evenings a week to practice my tricks
• 1:02:02
  in the early days back in east london
• 1:02:04
  and then eventually i'm backpacking i'm doing magic for every group and i'm
• 1:02:07
  out there doing magic for chicks magic for dudes magic for locals everywhere
• 1:02:11
  i go on six month trips year after year
• 1:02:14
  and then eventually you get into the gigs and then you start stop doing the
• 1:02:17
  magic for the everyday folk you stop approaching randoms on the train on the bus you stop
• 1:02:22
  bringing tricks with you to events you're too cool for it just saving it for work
• 1:02:26
  and then you're just like oh i'm this commercial product now
• 1:02:29
  whereas the real rawness that got me to gigs that got me to stage performances
• 1:02:33
  is me being out there and being that person so don't forget that the person
• 1:02:38
  that you were being is what got you where you are and then
• 1:02:42
  like don't let that die and there's been times in my life where I have whereas
• 1:02:46
  now by getting out there and doing it sure I'm doing it for free but I am being
• 1:02:51
  what I am rather than talking about it rather than telling people convincing people.
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  I'm just doing it and capturing it and showing the world and then they will
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  recognize and ultimately my vibe is carrying through it everything else I do
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  because Because now I'm like, yeah, and what, bro?
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  I got rejected by 25 people yesterday. And what? What are you going to say to
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  me that's going to bother me? I don't care.
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  I don't care. I don't even look at LinkedIn anymore. LinkedIn can GFS.
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  I don't know, I'm trying to spell swearing.
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  Go F itself. There we go. I'm done with it. I'm done with it.
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  I don't want to pander anymore. I'm just going to be the magician.
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  And I'm going to capture the beautiful moments and share it with you so you
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  can see the world through our perspective.
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  This is what art is for. We listen to music so we can dive into their soul and
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  process the world through their emotion.
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  We watch a movie so we can experience the world of a hero through the lens of a director.
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  And we tap into a magician's work so we can experience the wonderful,
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  the miraculous, the impossible.
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  We are here as transcendent beings to help connect and bridge people with the
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  other and be that. And don't just be at your gig, be it when you're on the bus,
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  be it when you're hanging out with people, be it when you're approaching strangers
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  in the street with your glasses on.
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  Be the magician. Don't just claim to be one. And then, hey, I got one thing
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  I want to say, but then I want Adam to jump in after me. So I didn't say one
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  thing after Adam said the thing that he was finishing with is what I found is
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  because I've been doing so many metaglasses videos.
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  Every once in a while, I'll be in an event, usually Monday Night Magic,
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  and I'll let someone else borrow my metaglasses videos, or my metaglasses.
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  And I'll go do some sets without the metaglass.
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  And it's such a relief. It's just like, oh, just do magic for these people,
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  because that's your job.
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  You know and and you don't have to think about anything else and you're not
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  worried about the video or if it's a good video it's a bad video and it's just
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  interesting because it's like you know you you never had metaglasses and then
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  all of a sudden all of a sudden you had metaglasses and then,
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  you know not having metaglasses again has certain meanings and implications
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  and feelings too and it's nice to not so yeah adam now you have to say something,
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  yeah and i was at a party the other day and they were celebrating the success
• 1:04:56
  of my channel and i went yeah and they were begging me for tricks here and there. Hints, hints, hints.
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  And then I left the glasses in the pouch and I did my things and it was beautiful.
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  And we had a moment that is a transient moment lost in the wind,
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  never to be retrieved again, but will exist immortalized within the memories
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  and the stories they tell. And that is just as beautiful. Wow.
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  Man, you guys are just carving this great path and it's great to watch.
• 1:05:25
  And I'm enjoying making them as well, but it's every day. I'm like,
• 1:05:29
  all right, where's the latest Harrison video? Where's the latest Adam video?
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  And coming up with new stuff every week. It's amazing.
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  Very quick shout out to Southpaw Magic. Just became a supporter of the pod. Thank you, my friend.
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  We just started a very, very small YouTube membership thing where if you do
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  want to support the show, you can.
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  And it helps go towards all the cost that goes into it, which,
• 1:05:49
  you know, know we just do because we love doing the pod but um we're going to
• 1:05:53
  put a thing soon where the producers of this being supporters will be listed
• 1:05:56
  in every episode but the man thank you,
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  so you can follow now adam i was just checking if we i'm so disappointed that
• 1:06:03
  so we couldn't through the the magic guys metaverse get you to 60k in within this episode
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  devastated man i feel like i'm just gonna close my count yeah so no so no doubt
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  it's gonna happen like you know i bet it will happen you know 10 minutes after this,
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  and uh we'll post it up on the uh magic guy's story just to just to show also,
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  we at the same time we'll remember that that number is absolutely meaningless,
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  absolutely yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean it's a good skeleton right to just know
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  that that you're on the right track but you're absolutely right i mean i won't
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  complain if and when i hit that as well one day but.
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  Follow these guys if you're not already their instagram links are in the description
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  below Of course, you can scope out their YouTubes as well.
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  Adam does breakdowns of his videos on his YouTube channel, where he goes more
• 1:06:52
  in depth with individual approaches and stuff.
• 1:06:55
  Harrison's doing Zoom shows. You can see him live. He just did a show last night in New York.
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  Scope him out. And look, fellas, thank you for coming on and jumping on this Trio episode.
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  It's been awesome. And I can't wait to jam with you guys in person.
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  But everyone else, stay cool. And we'll see you next week. We're going to cross
• 1:07:12
  live to the Edinburgh Fringe Festival next week. So stay tuned for that. Have a great day.
• 1:07:19
  Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
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  But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.