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Suspect With Distinctive Facial Scarring Wanted in Tacoma Tot Teekah Lewis Disappearance · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and the middle of a
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Speaker 1: bowling alley. You think everybody's having fun, because I know
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Speaker 1: we do what's of fun at the bowling alley. But
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Speaker 1: how does a little girl seemingly disappear into thin air
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Speaker 1: from the middle of a bowling alley with her family there?
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Speaker 1: How does that happen? Because when I go bowling with
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Speaker 1: the twins with or without my husband David, I can
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Speaker 1: see them sitting right there. They don't just disappear into
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Speaker 1: thin air. But that is exactly what happened to this
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Speaker 1: little girl. We want answers Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation in series Sex
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Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: It was January twenty three. Tika was at a crowded
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Speaker 1: bowling alley with her family in Tacoma, Washington. Members of
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Speaker 1: the family were taking turns watching Tika and some other
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Speaker 1: young children with them, and they were distracted for a
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Speaker 1: few moments. When they turned around, she was gone. Since then,
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Speaker 1: no one has seen her. Now I get being distracted
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Speaker 1: at the bowling alley because when as you're turned to bowl.
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Speaker 1: You get the ball, you go up, you set your
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Speaker 1: sights on the pins, and you roll it out. You
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Speaker 1: see what happens. You wait and you see your score.
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Speaker 1: So you're looking I would guess at least a minute.
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Speaker 1: And I know in a lot of functions, say at
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Speaker 1: a church function or a family reunion, or where you
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Speaker 1: feel you know everybody, you're not staring at your child
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Speaker 1: the whole time. How did this little girl just two
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Speaker 1: years old, she's beautiful? How does she go missing in
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Speaker 1: a crowded bowling alley? Again, thank you for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Fox Stations eleven. I want to introduce
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Speaker 1: to you an all star panel of guests, each one
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Speaker 1: an expert in their own right to try to make
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Speaker 1: sense of it all with me. Dale Carson, criminal defense
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Speaker 1: attorney joining us out of Jacksonville. Not just a criminal
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, renown criminal defense attorney, but former FBI and
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Speaker 1: former author of Arrest Proof Yourself. I don't like that,
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Speaker 1: but the rest I like a lot. Psychoanalice to the Stars,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of La Doctor Bethany Marshall. You can
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Speaker 1: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com and she's
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Speaker 1: star of a Netflix series Bling Empire. Investigator Dan Scott,
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Speaker 1: La County Sheriff Sergeant twenty six years Special Victims Bureau
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Speaker 1: specializing in child cases. Olivia Lavoi's crime reporter joining us
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Speaker 1: for qute thirteen Fox at Seattle and you can find
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Speaker 1: her on Twitter at Q thirteen Olivia. But first I
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Speaker 1: want to go to a very special guest joining us,
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Speaker 1: a woman I feel that I befriended over the years.
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Speaker 1: Teresa English. This is Tica's mother. First of all, Miss English,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know a lot
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Speaker 1: of blame. I'll just put it out there has been
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Speaker 1: cast on you because you're the mom Antica disappeared on
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Speaker 1: your watch. But after many, many investigations into this particular case,
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Speaker 1: I think the attacks on you are unjustified. Tell me,
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Speaker 1: Miss English, what happened? What do you remember of the
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Speaker 1: night Tica just disappeared in the bowling alley. It was
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Speaker 1: a family function. I had family members there's I had
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Speaker 1: my brother and my sister in law's I had my
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Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time, and we were all just having fun,
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Speaker 1: you know, and Pica was miss Miss English. Miss English,
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Speaker 1: look write this down, because you know what the many
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Speaker 1: times I looked this case. I didn't know how who
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Speaker 1: what members of your extended family were there? Was this
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Speaker 1: some kind of a reunion or a get together of sorts.
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Speaker 1: It was a get together because I never got out
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Speaker 1: the house. You know, I had four other kids, so
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Speaker 1: my brother invited me to go out with them and
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Speaker 1: my oldest three daughters. They went with their aunt and
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Speaker 1: I had my two youngest one. I had my two
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Speaker 1: year old and my ten months old at the time,
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Speaker 1: the two year old and you're ten months old. Oh man,
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Speaker 1: you got your hands full. I know how it was
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Speaker 1: when the twins or ten months old. How they were
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Speaker 1: when they were two years old and they were starting
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Speaker 1: to walk. Okay, so your brother is his wife there,
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Speaker 1: His wife is there. My other brother and his girlfriend
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Speaker 1: was there. Yes. Did they have children and were the
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Speaker 1: children there? Yes, my brother had his son and he
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Speaker 1: was oh, he was just a couple of months old,
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Speaker 1: so he was focused on his baby boy. And what
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Speaker 1: about the second brother, he was his girlfriend and his wife.
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Speaker 1: It was him and his girl. Yeah, him and his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time. Did they have children, No, they
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Speaker 1: didn't have no kids. So it was you, your brother
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Speaker 1: and his wife, the brother and the girlfriend, the infant
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Speaker 1: son the brother. Had anybody else from your family? Oh,
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Speaker 1: your boyfriend yes at the time, yes, and anybody else.
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Speaker 1: M my sister, she had her family members there, so
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Speaker 1: it was it was a big group. How many family
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Speaker 1: members did your sister, Brian? Oh, there was probably like
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Speaker 1: six seven other ones, So it was a pretty big group.
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Speaker 1: Now just a moment, Miss English, I want to go
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Speaker 1: straight out to Dell Carson joining us out of Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: right now now, not only a criminal defense attorney, but
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Speaker 1: former FBI and deal. You know, that's kind of it's
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Speaker 1: almost like a family reunion. And I am lulled into
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Speaker 1: a sense of complacency when I'm at a family get
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Speaker 1: together because you feel like with your own family so
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Speaker 1: many of them around, for Pete's sake, that's at least
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Speaker 1: twelve people. I think right there, you feel safe and
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Speaker 1: you feel like everybody is watching each other's children, or
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Speaker 1: at least I would feel that way. Well, that's right,
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Speaker 1: And I think that one of the odd things that
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Speaker 1: we don't understand about petophiles and serial killers is that
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Speaker 1: they often communicate with one another. And it's a known
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Speaker 1: fact in those circles that amusement areas are prime for
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Speaker 1: picking up potential victims. And we've seen this. You're in
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Speaker 1: Florida where these arcades as they were back in the nineties.
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Speaker 1: Of course it's different today. We're basically used as a
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Speaker 1: stomping ground for people picking up young boys and girls
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Speaker 1: who would be runaways and end up in those places.
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Speaker 1: And they would go in and they'd place a stack
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Speaker 1: of quarters, which were used at that time to operate
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Speaker 1: the machines, and that's how they would lure them. So
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really realizes that. When you're in
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Speaker 1: a family group like that and you're paying attention to
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Speaker 1: one another, you're certainly not expecting that someone would think
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Speaker 1: that an amusement area is someplace where you might find
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Speaker 1: an abduct a child. And so I think, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I'm very torn about what you're saying. Part of me
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Speaker 1: knows that it's true. But I remember my brother, my
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Speaker 1: older brother, helped put himself to college working at one
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Speaker 1: of those arcades in them all at the time. I
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Speaker 1: also worked at them all at Sears and Rowboat, Okay,
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Speaker 1: And I would go by and I would see my brother,
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Speaker 1: you know, there, and he's about seven or eight years
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Speaker 1: older than me, And I never thought of it that way.
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Speaker 1: But let me tell you this deal. One of the first,
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Speaker 1: not the first, but one of the first child one
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Speaker 1: station cases I had. Was a little boy. I recall
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Speaker 1: he was about nine to eleven years old and he
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Speaker 1: was learning disabled, could hardly speak, and he loved the
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Speaker 1: video arcade deal, loved it and his mom would give
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Speaker 1: him a role of quarters and take him to the
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Speaker 1: video kade and arcade, like sit in the parking lot
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Speaker 1: and work or whatever she was doing, and then you
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Speaker 1: know they go home. Well, one time she found I
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Speaker 1: think it was a twenty dollar folded up bill in
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Speaker 1: his pocket. Turns out at the arcade he had met
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Speaker 1: a pedophile who would sodomize the little boy and in
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Speaker 1: payment would give him some quarters. So it seems like
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Speaker 1: a very innocent place when I was growing up working
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Speaker 1: at Series and Robot, it's not always innocent. Time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace and I want to follow up on
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Speaker 1: what deal Courson Lawyer Oight at Jacksonville is saying with
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Speaker 1: Dan Scott, former La County's sheriffs sergeant. He's right. So
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Speaker 1: while mom who's with us right now, Teresa English is
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Speaker 1: minding her own business as she's there with her two babies.
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Speaker 1: You don't think, Wow, right over there, that group of people,
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Speaker 1: I don't know one of them could be a pedophile.
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Speaker 1: I've been so freaked out about this case. When I
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Speaker 1: took the children alone when they were two or three, starting,
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Speaker 1: you know, going bowling and playing, They'd have to go
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Speaker 1: everywhere with me, even to the bathroom. We could hardly
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Speaker 1: get through a game of bowling because whenever one of
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Speaker 1: them had to go, we'd all go. Because of this case,
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Speaker 1: Tica's case, jump in, Dan Scott. It's always easy in
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Speaker 1: the first person you blame is the mom or the parents,
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Speaker 1: But you have to remember, these are predators that solely
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Speaker 1: look for children. They are experts at it. They're experts
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Speaker 1: at blending in. Yes, it's scary, and yes we do
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Speaker 1: our best to watch our children at all times, but
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Speaker 1: it only takes a moment to turn your attention away
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Speaker 1: when these people will snatch. That's all they do is
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Speaker 1: think about where they can taine a child. What you
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Speaker 1: just said something that really hits home to me. In fact,
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Speaker 1: you just gave me chills on my arm. You said
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Speaker 1: that's all they think about. You're right. For instance, all
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Speaker 1: I think about, besides prime stories is the twins. What
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Speaker 1: am I going to cook him for dinner? What are they?
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Speaker 1: What's their homework assignment? Where do they have to be?
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Speaker 1: What's the latest in scouts? All of that. I'm consumed
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Speaker 1: with that. That's all they think about. And I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen of this. This is our
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Speaker 1: friends at crime online dot com. Listen as Tica Lewis
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Speaker 1: is playing in one of the driving games in the
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Speaker 1: Bowling Alley arcade, her mother, Teresa English, looks way just
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Speaker 1: for a few moments to check on her other children
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Speaker 1: in one of the bowling lanes. When English turns back around,
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Speaker 1: Tica is gone. English looks around and between the other games,
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Speaker 1: then runs to the nearby ladies room to check their
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Speaker 1: no Tica. Just six feet away from the arcade where
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Speaker 1: Tica was playing is a side door to the bowling alley.
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Speaker 1: Teresa English runs through the door and into the parking lot,
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Speaker 1: screaming her daughter's name. Where is Tica? Oh? Miss English?
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Speaker 1: Miss English? Miss English. You know I can hear the
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Speaker 1: one hundred times, and every time it's just so upseting.
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Speaker 1: Tell me when you first noticed Miss English that Tica
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Speaker 1: wasn't there? What was happening? I was freaked out, you know,
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Speaker 1: me having four of the kids and Tica was my everything,
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Speaker 1: you know, from day one, from the day I had her,
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Speaker 1: she was my everything. I freaked out, you know you
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Speaker 1: I mean, I was at a panic. I looked forward
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Speaker 1: you to video games that she was gone. I told her.
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Speaker 1: I told everybody in the group, I said, Tica's not here,
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Speaker 1: Tika's gone. You know where she and not? What were
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Speaker 1: you doing? Were you bowling? Were you watching somebody bowl?
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Speaker 1: What happened when you turned around? What made you realize
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Speaker 1: she wasn't there? I went to bowl. It was my
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Speaker 1: turn to Bull. So I went to Bull and Tica
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Speaker 1: was there because you know, I had just seen her,
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Speaker 1: and I told her, I'm to go Bull. I'll be
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Speaker 1: right back. And so I went to go Bull. I
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Speaker 1: turned around, and they took that quick for her to
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Speaker 1: be gone. It was just like within a couple of seconds.
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Speaker 1: Because I went to Bull, I didn't change, I didn't
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Speaker 1: check my score. I turned around, you know, if she
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Speaker 1: was gone that quick. Joining me right now is doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold. She's around psychiatrists joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, and you can find her at Angela Arnold, MD,
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Angie, I have to tell you something.
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Speaker 1: Hearing Teresa English talk, yes and listen. You know I
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Speaker 1: will jump on a mom in a New York minute
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Speaker 1: if I think they have anything to do something that
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Speaker 1: happened to their child. You know that when I hear
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Speaker 1: Teresa English talk, it literally is give me chill bumps
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Speaker 1: because it reminds me of the day I was in
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Speaker 1: the Babies or Us, you know, that big warehouse thing
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Speaker 1: looking for organic suntan lusion. And I was down on
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Speaker 1: the very bottom level that was really tall shelf like
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Speaker 1: they do it lows maybe or home depot. And I
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Speaker 1: was all the way down there. John David Lucy were
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Speaker 1: right behind me, and I was digging around trying to
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Speaker 1: find it, and I couldn't find it. I stood up
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Speaker 1: and I was looking up and down. I said, well,
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Speaker 1: I guess that I'll have it. And I turned around
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Speaker 1: and there was Lucy, no John David, and that feeling.
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Speaker 1: It's just it's awful. I will never forget it as
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Speaker 1: long as I live. And I really am angry that
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Speaker 1: people have been blaming miss English. She went up to bowl.
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Speaker 1: She turns around and Tika's gone. She immediately sounds the along.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine running to the ladies back through right, think, oh,
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Speaker 1: she's going to be in there, and you calm down,
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be okay. You go in there, she's
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Speaker 1: not there, and then you can feel it rising in
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Speaker 1: your chest. I'm really angry with people blaming this English
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Speaker 1: all this time, you know, Nancy, I think that the
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Speaker 1: people who have the audacity to blame the mother have
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Speaker 1: never been They must not be mothers themselves, because I
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Speaker 1: think that practically every mother has turned their back for
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Speaker 1: a minute and their children have gone missing, and we
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Speaker 1: I have felt that panic. I was at Linux Mall
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Speaker 1: one time, turned around in jim Boree and my two
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Speaker 1: little babies were gone. I almost had the whole mall
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Speaker 1: locked down. And then some woman comes walking down the thing,
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Speaker 1: down the sidewalk or whatever you want to call it,
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Speaker 1: and she had my children and she goes they were
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Speaker 1: watching TV at Pottery Barn, and I was fine, dear
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Speaker 1: Lord and I and that's halfway to kill them all.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this quick, but I just have to
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Speaker 1: tell you one more thing. I was out in Arizona
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Speaker 1: covering the Jody Arias trial and the three of us
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Speaker 1: were staying in a hotel and I had had the
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Speaker 1: twins out at the pool. We were coming in and
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Speaker 1: we all got on the elevator. I pushed John david in.
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Speaker 1: I said, Lucy, come on. Lucy just froze. The elevator closed.
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Speaker 1: I tried to get her. I came immediately back down.
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Speaker 1: As soon as I started pushing all the buttons, she
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Speaker 1: was gone. Oh my god. She got on another elevator
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Speaker 1: and I was running up and down all through China.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine some perv had grabbed her on another floor.
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Speaker 1: I would never have found her. I found her. But
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Speaker 1: my point is, in that moment, in that split second,
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Speaker 1: you can lose your child through no wrongdoing of your own.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, in addition to Teresa English, just
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Speaker 1: as Tika's mother is a very well known crime reporter,
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Speaker 1: Olivia lo Voice joining us from two thirteen Fox Seattle.
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Speaker 1: Olivia tell me about this bowling alley where Tica goes missing.
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Speaker 1: But the bowling alley is no longer there. But at
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Speaker 1: the time it was incredibly popular, and especially on a
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Speaker 1: Saturday night, and at the time that Tica went missing,
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Speaker 1: around ten pm, it was very crowded, and I think
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Speaker 1: that that contributed to the chaos of that night. I mean,
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Speaker 1: on one hand, you might think, oh, the more people
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Speaker 1: the better, because that means there's more witnesses, But in
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Speaker 1: this case, it seems to have been detrimental. You know,
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Speaker 1: there's reports that it was so loud in the bowling
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Speaker 1: alley that when the manager initially went on the loudspeaker
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Speaker 1: to announce that Tica was missing, that it was difficult
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Speaker 1: to hear. It seemed like, you know, people weren't stopping
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Speaker 1: in their tracks and listening per se. So yes, very
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Speaker 1: very crowded that night, in particular, Oh Olivia a voice.
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Speaker 1: Just hearing that makes my skin crawl because he's like
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Speaker 1: everything was going wrong. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Miss
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Speaker 1: English show you run to the bathroom looking for Tica
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Speaker 1: and what happens. My sister in law's sister was in there,
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Speaker 1: and I asked her, I said, if Pica there, and
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Speaker 1: she was like no, and I said, she's gone. She's
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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. So I went up to the announcer,
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Speaker 1: I said, and there was an off duty officer there
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Speaker 1: and he was supposed to be patrolling the grounds, but
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Speaker 1: he wasn't. He was watching everybody bowl and I told him,
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Speaker 1: I said, my daughter's gone. And he said, are you sure?
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Speaker 1: And I said yes. We searched everywhere, everywhere, and I
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Speaker 1: said we need help. I need my daughter. And he
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Speaker 1: told everybody look for a child underneath the chairs. She
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Speaker 1: might have fell asleep. I said, she didn't fall asleep,
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Speaker 1: she's nowhere. We searched everywhere already. I said, we need
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Speaker 1: back up. You guys need to bring more law enforce
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Speaker 1: over here. I need my baby. My baby's gone. So
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Speaker 1: like twenty thirty minutes later, that's when the first officer
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Speaker 1: came in. My baby was long gone by then. And
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Speaker 1: I told him, you guys took too long. It's too
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Speaker 1: long of a wait. Guys, I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: our friends at crime Online. Teresa English realizes she needs
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Speaker 1: help and grabs an off duty to come a police
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Speaker 1: officer working for the Bowling Alley. After another search that
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Speaker 1: to come, a police, the FBI, and the National Center
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Speaker 1: for Missing Unexploited Children are called in. Throughout the night,
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Speaker 1: hundreds of officers search the woods and go door to
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Speaker 1: door in a nearby residential neighborhood with concerns of a
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Speaker 1: family abduction. Relatives are questioned. Teresa English voluntarily submits to
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Speaker 1: two polygraph exams. Tika's father has an ironclad alibi. The
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Speaker 1: parents are cleared. More than two dozen detectives are working
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Speaker 1: on Tika's case full time. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: We had gone to Bowling Alley plenty of times and
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Speaker 1: there was kind of an area where people would kind
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Speaker 1: of just come there with their families and kids can
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Speaker 1: kind of roam. Saturday night, January twenty third, nineteen ninety nine,
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Speaker 1: New Frontiers, Bowling Alley was filled with people who would
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Speaker 1: become part of a nightmare. One teenage boy in particular,
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Speaker 1: but he had no way of knowing that then. I
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Speaker 1: had these the restroom, so I went towards the other
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Speaker 1: the restrooms, where this rude guy bumped into me with
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Speaker 1: this little girl. And since he was white and Ticca
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Speaker 1: is mixed, the little girl was mixed. I just thought
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Speaker 1: it was the father just rushing his daughter to the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: The night went on as usual. When the team and
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Speaker 1: his family went to leave, they noticed police were searching
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Speaker 1: for something, but they wouldn't know what, or rather who,
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Speaker 1: until days later. You're hearing our friends Olivia will have
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Speaker 1: as Q thirteen fox. Olivia tell me about the sighting
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Speaker 1: of a white male rushing by holding the hand of
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Speaker 1: a little girl. I think that this witness sighting is
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Speaker 1: absolutely key to the case. That witness. I interviewed him
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Speaker 1: twenty one years later. He's now an adult man, and
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Speaker 1: you can tell how much what he saw that night
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Speaker 1: has stuck with him because a few days after he
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Speaker 1: bumps into this man. You know, it's a distinct memory
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Speaker 1: for him because he said it was so jarring for
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Speaker 1: him as a teenager to have this adult man and
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Speaker 1: bump into him and not acknowledge it and just you know,
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Speaker 1: keep going. And also the man had deep pock marks
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Speaker 1: on his face. The teenage boy he had never seen
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Speaker 1: anything like that, so that really stood out to him.
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Speaker 1: And then three days later he sees Taka's face all
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Speaker 1: over the news and he says, that's that's the little
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Speaker 1: girl that was with demand the rude man that night,
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Speaker 1: and he immediately his family immediately alerted police. Police did
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Speaker 1: speak with him one back then in nineteen ninety nine,
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Speaker 1: but that was that was it. It took you know,
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Speaker 1: over twenty years for this tip to be unearthed by
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Speaker 1: a cold case detective who zeroed in on it and
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Speaker 1: felt like you know this is this is truly important.
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Speaker 1: People really need to hear this suspect description. I'd like
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Speaker 1: for everyone to hear our cut zero rout too. This
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Speaker 1: is Olivia Levoy's Q thirteen thoughts. Listen. The little girl
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Speaker 1: he saw that night when he came face to face
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Speaker 1: with the rude man was Tita Lewis, a two year
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Speaker 1: old who was at the bowling Alley with a dozen
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Speaker 1: family members when in an instant she vanished, I had
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Speaker 1: to say something, so he did. He was interviewed by
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Speaker 1: detectives in January nineteen ninety nine, but then nothing. No
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Speaker 1: one contacted me. I was easy to find. Maybe what
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Speaker 1: I had to say just wasn't relevant or it wasn't useful.
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Speaker 1: Flash forward two decades. Someone did think what he had
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Speaker 1: to say was most definitely relevant and useful. The cold
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Speaker 1: case investigator who picked through thousands of pages and hundreds
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Speaker 1: of tips when he spotted the one that leaped off
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Speaker 1: the page. This witness actually describes a type of encounter
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Speaker 1: with Tica by this individual. And the end of the
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Speaker 1: description of the individual is not generic. It's it's specific,
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Speaker 1: and it's and it's detailed. It is a very detailed.
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Speaker 1: Now listen, to our cut zero seven listen. At that time,
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Speaker 1: there would have been no way for the college. A
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Speaker 1: man with a pockmarked face had been mentioned in the
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Speaker 1: first few days of the investigation. The individual that we're
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Speaker 1: trying to identify is a white male five foot eleven
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Speaker 1: with a husky build. He is described as having a
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Speaker 1: shoulder length brown, curly or wavy hair, with a thick
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Speaker 1: mustache and a heavily pockmarked face. The night of Tika's disappearance,
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Speaker 1: he was wearing a blue flannel shirt and faded jeans.
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Speaker 1: His motivation to solve this case is simple. Tika's mother.
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Speaker 1: It really makes it easy to try to keep the
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Speaker 1: case alive for her and to try to find her
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Speaker 1: some answers. She has never given up on her daughter,
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Speaker 1: finding her daughter, and I really admire that he's not
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Speaker 1: going to stop looking until we find some. Back to
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Speaker 1: Olivia Lavoie's crime reporter Qute thirteen foughts joining us out
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Speaker 1: of Seattle, Olivia, I hear the reporter stating that a
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Speaker 1: car called in about a white male with pot marks
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Speaker 1: on his face. Who was the caller? So the caller
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Speaker 1: was a woman who was at the bowling alley about
25:35
Speaker 1: a week or so after Tica's disappearance. I think it
25:39
Speaker 1: was actually less than that, just a matter of days,
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Speaker 1: and America's Most Wanted was at the Bowling Alley shooting
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Speaker 1: a re enactment of the case to feature the case,
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Speaker 1: and this woman noticed that a man with a heavily
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Speaker 1: pot marked face was hanging around the news crew and
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Speaker 1: she fell. You know, I mean, it's not unusual that
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Speaker 1: if america is Most Wanted is in your town filming
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Speaker 1: something that you know, you might hang around and watch.
26:09
Speaker 1: But this individual's behavior was so odd to her that
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Speaker 1: she called the Tacoma Police Department to say, hey, you
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Speaker 1: guys should check this guy out. Here's this description. Something
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Speaker 1: was off with him, just the way he was sort
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Speaker 1: of lurking. And in the description she notes that he
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Speaker 1: has a heavily pockmark face. And the detective, the cold
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Speaker 1: case detective who connected these tips, said, there's no way
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Speaker 1: that's a coincidence. There's no way that woman could have
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Speaker 1: known that we had another witness see a man with
26:44
Speaker 1: pockmark face with Pica that night. Okay, a lot of
26:48
Speaker 1: things crashing in my head right now, but one thing
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Speaker 1: that tells me. Dan Scott, former LA County Sheriff Sergeant
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Speaker 1: twenty six years SVU is that this guy is local.
26:59
Speaker 1: It's not that he was coming through the interstate that night,
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Speaker 1: maybe a trucker or maybe a visitor. He's local because
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Speaker 1: he's still in town a week later when America's must
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Speaker 1: wanted shows up at the Bowling Alley to do a reenact,
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Speaker 1: he's still there. This guy is local. I agree completely,
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Speaker 1: and it's a tragedy that they did not. The police
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Speaker 1: did not pick up on this. I mean, I hate
27:24
Speaker 1: to bash anybody in second guess him, but there were
27:28
Speaker 1: opportunities to put that description out to the public. That
27:33
Speaker 1: information needs to be out immediately. They did call the FBI,
27:38
Speaker 1: which is what they should have done, and they got
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Speaker 1: the assistance because the FBI is excellent at this type
27:45
Speaker 1: of crime. But how they missed that, I have no
27:49
Speaker 1: idea if they would have got that unique description out
27:54
Speaker 1: to the public. I agree he is probably a local,
27:58
Speaker 1: or was at least at the crime stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace back to Teresa English just as Tika's mother. Teresa, again,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Sometimes I hate to ask to
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Speaker 1: speak to you because I don't want to dredge everything
28:27
Speaker 1: back up again. But yet I feel we have to
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Speaker 1: what do you make of these reports of the white
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Speaker 1: male with pot marks? I mean, come on, You've got
28:37
Speaker 1: a white male with pot marks seeing that night, plowing
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Speaker 1: through a crowd dragging a little girl that matches Tika's
28:48
Speaker 1: description by the hand. Then you see this guy, this
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Speaker 1: freaky dude, a white male with pot marks, showing up
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Speaker 1: at the re enact with America's Most Wanted back at
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Speaker 1: the ball Alley. You don't know how mad I was
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Speaker 1: when I found out this information. I was living, you know,
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Speaker 1: knowing that this young teenager came up to you know,
29:11
Speaker 1: called three days later and said that he's seen who
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Speaker 1: took Tica and they did nothing about this nothing. I
29:18
Speaker 1: want to follow up on what we're talking about. People
29:22
Speaker 1: often return to the scene and this guy shows back
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Speaker 1: up at the bowling Alley and they're riding in plain sight. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: We've learned from this, and I will simply tell you
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Speaker 1: that we now film funerals and a number of other
29:37
Speaker 1: things looking for the subject of the purp to show
29:42
Speaker 1: up again. And it's interesting in connection with the America's
29:45
Speaker 1: Most Wanted. You wonder if they still have film and
29:48
Speaker 1: the cameras they kept to look back into the crowd
29:52
Speaker 1: to see if that individual is there, because we understand
29:56
Speaker 1: that people get pleasure out of this. They want to
29:59
Speaker 1: come and see what's happening, so their pleasure is derived
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Speaker 1: in part from actually witnessing the suffering of individuals whom
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Speaker 1: they have injured. Tyler Let's pay zero zero c our
30:11
Speaker 1: friends at Kuaimaline. After Tika goes missing, cold case detectives
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Speaker 1: review old police reports. They focus on those involving children
30:19
Speaker 1: who had been approached by a stranger around the bowling alley.
30:22
Speaker 1: There had been several The year before Ticad disappeared, a
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Speaker 1: man reported to security that his four year old son
30:28
Speaker 1: had been assaulted in the restroom by a white man
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Speaker 1: with curly brown hair and a beard. A few weeks
30:33
Speaker 1: before Ticad disappeared, the mother of a six year old
30:36
Speaker 1: boy stopped and attempted abduction of her son. The suspect
30:40
Speaker 1: also described as a white male with brown hair. And
30:43
Speaker 1: on the same day Tka went missing, there was another incident.
30:47
Speaker 1: A man had taken his two children to the park
30:49
Speaker 1: less than a mile away from New Frontier Lanes. He
30:52
Speaker 1: saw a stranger near the bathrooms who was motioning for
30:55
Speaker 1: the two children. To come to him. The father chased
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Speaker 1: the man off. He was a white man with brown hair,
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Speaker 1: wearing a baseball hat. He's never been identified at this
31:05
Speaker 1: close proximity to the bowling alley. That is no coincidence.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear Tica's father talking about when
31:14
Speaker 1: Tica goes missing. This is Shelby Miller k I R O. Seven.
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Speaker 1: I've thought of my daughter every single day. January twenty third,
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, Robert Lewis's life changed forever. Police say
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Speaker 1: someone abducted his innocent, brown eyed baby girl from the
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Speaker 1: New Frontier Bowling Alley into Coma. More than two decades later,
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Speaker 1: Robert hasn't given up hope. We sit there and rewatched
31:37
Speaker 1: Blues Clues and she have her tweety bird slippers on,
31:43
Speaker 1: and that's what I remember, just my little baby. Thursday
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Speaker 1: to come on. Police release new details about the investigation.
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Speaker 1: Detectives are searching for information about a white man who's
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Speaker 1: thirty to forty years old, has brown, curly hair, a mustache,
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Speaker 1: and pock marks on his face. They say he was
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Speaker 1: seen at the bowling Alley the night the two year
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Speaker 1: old was abducted. These developments stopped Tika's father in his
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Speaker 1: tracks put me right back to nineteen eighty nine. Got
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Speaker 1: the phone call to Olivia Lavois, crime reporter with cute
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Speaker 1: thirteen Fox Again, Olivia, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the reporting has been done by you,
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Speaker 1: a lot of the investigative work. Where does the case
32:20
Speaker 1: stand right now, Olivia? You know, unfortunately there hasn't been
32:25
Speaker 1: much movement with the case, which is incredibly disappointing because
32:30
Speaker 1: when we released this new information over a year ago,
32:35
Speaker 1: now about a year and a half ago, we really
32:38
Speaker 1: thought this was going to be it. This suspect description
32:42
Speaker 1: was surely going to get investigators some very solid leads
32:46
Speaker 1: on who this suspect could be, and that just hasn't happened.
32:51
Speaker 1: So I feel it's very important to keep that suspect
32:54
Speaker 1: description out there to remind people this individual had a
32:58
Speaker 1: deeply pockmarked face. Surely someone out there has to know
33:03
Speaker 1: who we're describing. Back to Teresa English, Miss English, I
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Speaker 1: know you have other children, but there's no way to
33:14
Speaker 1: feel the empty hole of Tica missing. Tell me how
33:21
Speaker 1: you get through each day. If it wasn't for my
33:24
Speaker 1: other kids, I probably wouldn't be here, you know, I
33:27
Speaker 1: have a missing piece in my heart. You know, everything
33:31
Speaker 1: is gone and the only thing that's going to put
33:35
Speaker 1: my heart to hold is to find out what happened
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Speaker 1: to my daughter. You know, it's been twenty two years old.
33:42
Speaker 1: My daughter's about to turn twenty five, and I've been
33:46
Speaker 1: living a nightmare because I don't know what happened to
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Speaker 1: my daughter, you know. And is the police really working
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Speaker 1: on my daughter's case? No, they're not, they're not. And
33:57
Speaker 1: all I've asked for twenty two years is what happened
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Speaker 1: to Pica? Who took my baby? Who took her? Now
34:05
Speaker 1: they know, they just need to find out who this
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Speaker 1: man is. They could have found her twenty two years ago.
34:11
Speaker 1: If they wouldn't listened to this witness, they would have
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Speaker 1: brought him back in. This is a credible witness. This
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Speaker 1: man still remembers from day one about what this man
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Speaker 1: looks like. This man showed up This should have been
34:27
Speaker 1: you know, he showed up twice at the bowling alley.
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Speaker 1: They should have took that when people were coming forward saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: this is the guy. We need to find out who
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Speaker 1: this man is. Where is Peka? Where is she? If
34:41
Speaker 1: she's not out here? No more? We just want to
34:43
Speaker 1: find out where she's at, what did you do with her?
34:46
Speaker 1: All we want is closure, and we've been asking that
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Speaker 1: for twenty two years now. All we want is closure.
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Speaker 1: If you know or even think you know anything regarding
34:58
Speaker 1: the white male, brown hair, heavily pot marked face. If
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Speaker 1: you think you know anything, please dial two five three
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Speaker 1: five nine one fifty nine fifty nine, repeat two five three,
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Speaker 1: five nine one fifty nine fifty nine or crime Stoppers,
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Speaker 1: which is eight hundred two two two tips eight hundred
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Speaker 1: two two two eight four seven seven. Our prayers, Fertika
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Speaker 1: go on, but we want justice. Nancy Grace Crime Story
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend