Latest / Totally Normal Folks / TNNW - W2 March 2026 - Strait of Hormuz Mined, Indonesian Activists Acquitted, Social Media Ban for Children
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- 0:00Hello and thank you for tuning into another episode of Totally
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- 0:102026 and we'll be going through some of the biggest stories from
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- 0:47We'll be jumping straight into the international news.
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- 1:00It looks smart and professional. Indeed, indeed, indeed.
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- 1:07Next episode. Jumping straight into our
- 1:11international news today, the non war war in Iran continues as
- 1:16the country trades jabs with the US, Israel and the Gulf
- 1:19countries. Now this week CNN reported that
- 1:22Iran has begun to mine the Strait of Hormuz.
- 1:25Apparently, they've placed around 12 of them so far, but
- 1:28there are worries that even more mines will be laid, given 80 to
- 1:3290% of its mine layers are apparently still operational
- 1:36now. In response, the US President
- 1:38Donald Trump on Truth Social very kindly requested the mines
- 1:42be removed immediately, gently reminding the Iranian regime to
- 1:46beware of technology and missile capabilities deployed against
- 1:50drug traffickers. Wow indeed, very kindly.
- 1:55Meanwhile, the US has said that they've destroyed several
- 1:58Iranian ships, including mine layers, over the past few days.
- 2:02In fact, the US still sees Iranian attacks towards oil
- 2:06tankers as the greatest threats in the Strait of Hormuz, and by
- 2:10that I mean direct attacks towards oil tankers.
- 2:14You've seen some videos of oil tankers in the Strait on fire
- 2:18recently, haven't we boys? That's what I have Twitter for.
- 2:21That's indeed that's not good for the air man.
- 2:24Not. Good for the air, not good for
- 2:25the economy. Not good for the economy.
- 2:27For all of us who seek, who need gas.
- 2:29Least of all the people who live there, ah.
- 2:31Least of all Jesus, especially the Iranians and everyone else
- 2:35in the Gulf states. Now it appears the US has
- 2:39changed their objectives of this war to destroying their missiles
- 2:44from liberating the Iranian people.
- 2:46Because I can imagine using missiles to kill school children
- 2:50was not a good indicator it seems like.
- 2:54Yeah, it seems like people's definition of war keeps
- 2:56shifting. I saw this tweet that says like.
- 2:59I think calling this a conflict is like the Gen.
- 3:03Z version of calling a relation a failed relationship, a
- 3:06situationship. Yeah, yeah.
- 3:08'Cause this is the type of thing that like we saw when the
- 3:11Russians said that they were going to be in Ukraine for three
- 3:13days. Yeah, and there's going to be a
- 3:14special military operation. Wasn't it?
- 3:17Oh, yeah, exactly. So I think what we're seeing
- 3:18right now is being like, all right, guys, guys, look away.
- 3:21We're moving the goal posts we're going to have.
- 3:23It wasn't any. Years of special military
- 3:25operation. Oh no.
- 3:27Wait, I'm starting to think that Trump didn't care about the
- 3:31Iranian people to begin with. No, I'm starting to think
- 3:33that's. No, no, you don't say.
- 3:35You got to be honest, man. Orange dictator man doesn't care
- 3:38about brown people. Brown.
- 3:40Country. What a revelation.
- 3:41What a revelation. I'm heartbroken, man.
- 3:43Yeah, I don't believe he lied to me.
- 3:45It's so sad. He lied to us, bro.
- 3:46Yeah, we're all hurt. We're all hurt.
- 3:49My God, I got to do better next time, yeah.
- 3:51Now markets reacted as expected to news of mines in the Strait.
- 3:56Because I need. The price of crude oil has once
- 3:58again climbed to $93 per barrel after a relatively stable period
- 4:04lasting 2 days. There was a two whole days.
- 4:08Two whole days, man, two whole days.
- 4:09There was a point on Monday during which crude oil touched
- 4:12$115 per barrel. But tensions eased after the
- 4:17American president called the war in Iran.
- 4:20And I quote complete shortly before as Defense Secretary
- 4:24announced they had struck new targets in Iran and the straight
- 4:27and despite having said previously that the attacks
- 4:29wouldn't stop until, quote, unconditional surrender.
- 4:33Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah.
- 4:36In the meantime, however, the Iranian government has
- 4:38repeatedly refused any form of surrender because why would you
- 4:41when you're being invaded by a foreign nation?
- 4:43And in fact, if Singapore invaded us today.
- 4:46Well, I would. I'm going to say bad stuff
- 4:49without No, no, we're against all sorts of foreign invasion.
- 4:54No, we really are. Yes, the Iranian government, of
- 4:56course, is now being led by Mujtaba Khamenei.
- 4:59I do apologize if I screwed up that pronunciation.
- 5:04The son of the previous supreme leader.
- 5:07Despite this, the new supreme leader has not yet been seen in
- 5:10public after apparently being injured in the same strike that
- 5:14killed his father. Reports have said the young
- 5:17Khamenei is even more hardline than the elder, which, if you
- 5:20believe in human rights, is probably not that great.
- 5:24Oh, there is AI want to interject for a bit?
- 5:27There's like a, there's a like a very hilarious meme that I saw
- 5:31where it's like it's a, it's SpongeBob smashing up a clock
- 5:35and it's supposed to be like that.
- 5:36That's Ayatollah. And Scooter reveals the wardrobe
- 5:39just full of clocks. They have many more Ayatollah's
- 5:42fellows. It's not one guy.
- 5:43Yeah. Now that being said.
- 5:48No, sorry. Just like I didn't expect a a a
- 5:51foreign policy take. SpongeBob was the last thing I
- 5:54expected. But hey, I guess this is what
- 5:56news is for. You can you can put up the the
- 5:58the meme if I can find it right here.
- 6:00Yeah, now with that being said, with evidence strongly pointing
- 6:03towards the US as the perpetrator behind the strike
- 6:07that killed more than 165 people, many of them children,
- 6:10alongside Israeli famously ethical methods of genocide in
- 6:13Gaza. Famously.
- 6:14Famously, they're not exactly heroes either.
- 6:18In fact, it's all a bit of a shit show in the Middle East.
- 6:22Not in the Middle East, in West Asia, at the.
- 6:23Moment West Asia, you know, we're calling it West Asia from.
- 6:25Now on because that is. Not colonial term.
- 6:28That is the right term to describe the Levant, Jordan, you
- 6:34know, I mean, technically, technically, technically, Iran
- 6:36is in Persia. It's not West Asia.
- 6:39It's West of Asia. It's West of Asia.
- 6:42No, but they're still a part of Asia.
- 6:43Asia Minor. Asia Minor because.
- 6:45When you think about. It we haven't called it Asia
- 6:48Minor. Oh my God.
- 6:49We're rejecting the old British Empire of the Middle East.
- 6:53We really are. Middle East from where, bro?
- 6:56Yeah, from London, man. Everyone here saw that one video
- 7:02of that one lecture in like SOAS.
- 7:04Being like you do not call it, you cannot call.
- 7:07It Middle East. Call it West Asia, it is based.
- 7:10So here's my question to you fellas.
- 7:12How long do you think the war will last?
- 7:15Now, speculations abound, but one thing that we can be sure of
- 7:20that the war is going to last longer than Trump says it is.
- 7:24Well. Whatever.
- 7:25Trump says it's definitely going to last longer than he think
- 7:27it'll last. Whatever Trump says, it's going
- 7:29to last. It's going to last longer than
- 7:31what he's saying is because he, he, he wants it to or he wants
- 7:36to project an idea that the war's going to end fast because
- 7:39the longer it drags out, the worse it is for him, obviously.
- 7:42You have to keep in mind as well that before this they had some
- 7:46kind of they were in the midst of talks for some kind of
- 7:49nuclear deal. Yeah, of course.
- 7:52You know, famously the nuclear deal in Iran, that it's just
- 7:55just, we're only years away from getting it done.
- 7:58Yeah, exactly. Almost there, despite having had
- 8:00a previous nuclear deal between Iran and the United States and
- 8:04several other nuclear nations as well.
- 8:06This is the deal that Trump torpedoed.
- 8:07Exactly the same one. Yeah, we're so close.
- 8:10That shit. We're so close.
- 8:11No, I, I, I don't remember how long exactly.
- 8:14I mean, technically the, the if you, if you go to Wikipedia,
- 8:17yeah, the for, for the genocide in Gaza.
- 8:20Yeah, it does say that is that it is still occurring to this
- 8:23day. It is still occurring to this.
- 8:24Day, but at the same time, there's also been purportedly,
- 8:28yeah, some ceasefires between Hamas and Israel, which has been
- 8:33violated multiple times. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like
- 8:37you can't call the conflict over if every single time we call,
- 8:40every single time there's a time out, everyone just keeps playing
- 8:42in the field. Exactly.
- 8:43Yeah, that's not fair either. And to bring the to bring the
- 8:46discussion back to like, what's happening in Iran, I feel like,
- 8:49like I like to use the things that I use.
- 8:52I like to use kayfabe to describe, you know, the things
- 8:54that Trump does. Like, I think Trump is learning
- 8:57for the first time that this is not ATV show.
- 8:59Yeah. That the cameras can't just cut.
- 9:01No. And then?
- 9:02Go away. Right.
- 9:03Yeah. And like, oh, you started a
- 9:05thing. You, you you bit off more than
- 9:07you can chew. Well done.
- 9:09You've now committed the United States and Israel and probably
- 9:14other foreign powers. I know.
- 9:15I know the UK is, you know, launching missions out of the
- 9:20UAE out of like Saudi Arabia to, to assist with this.
- 9:24And I feel like Trump is realizing like I can't exactly
- 9:28call 'cause he has a media background, right?
- 9:30He has, he has the show and everything.
- 9:31And a lot of things that he does is kind of like AI don't like it
- 9:34like very reality TV show energy to.
- 9:37It What's KFIB? Kayfabe.
- 9:39You bring this up in the last one also, but I was too afraid
- 9:41to ask. What kayfabe?
- 9:43Is you have to explain to us what kayfabe.
- 9:45Is I want to be like, Oh yes, of course we're not.
- 9:48We're not all fans of the WWE. I'm not a big fan of WWE either,
- 9:52but in like, in like the wrestling world, kayfabe is the
- 9:57the term for the performance, right, Right.
- 9:59That's like, you know, like like in like Smackdown, WWE, it's not
- 10:03real wrestling, right, Right. Sure.
- 10:04It's performance art. Yeah, It's, it's it's it's
- 10:07fighting as performance art. So Kfabe is like when different
- 10:13wrestlers have beef with each other.
- 10:15Sure. And they get hit with a chair
- 10:16and they're like. And then they.
- 10:18Play it up for. The right.
- 10:19But they're actually secretly buddies in the back.
- 10:20Yeah, yeah, yeah, the. Back.
- 10:22Yeah, except. Except in this one, they're not
- 10:26playing along. They're not exactly like what
- 10:29the fuck is wrong with you attacked us. 1st and no exactly.
- 10:32Trump's like all right guys, that was good.
- 10:34Now we shake hands. What the what?
- 10:36Yeah, you can't just do that when you've committed into like
- 10:382 nations to war with each. Other No, yeah.
- 10:40Right. I feel like that's the that's
- 10:42the thing that he does whenever he like, you know, does like
- 10:44domestic politics, right? Yeah, right.
- 10:46When like, oh, he it's like the Democrats and the Republicans
- 10:49like each other. It's all a show.
- 10:50Weird, loud, like news cycle and then it goes away and he can't,
- 10:53he can't do that, right? Now, no, not exactly.
- 10:55Iran is committed to to like putting up a fight.
- 10:58Yeah, the genie is out of the bottle at this point, isn't it?
- 11:01Yeah. Yeah, this, this reminds me of
- 11:02like what happened with like Saddam Hussein and like the 80s
- 11:05when he was like, OK, we're gonna commit like a, a bit of
- 11:09like a performance case war with Iran.
- 11:11And then Iran locked the fuck in and Saddam Hussein started
- 11:15losing and he was like, oh, shit, now what do we do?
- 11:18I feel like this is this moment. For Donald Trump, there's going
- 11:20to be another thing as well. Because even if the the the the
- 11:24Americans succeed, you remember what happened after Saddam
- 11:27Hussein was toppled from Iraq. Yeah, power vacuum.
- 11:31Yeah, yeah. And instability.
- 11:33And the people weren't exactly keen, or at least perhaps you
- 11:36know, as as it is with as as it is with with with all countries,
- 11:40there's always people who there are always people who would who
- 11:44would be opposing one another politically.
- 11:46You know what I mean? And you can't get them all agree
- 11:48on the same thing. And so even if like exactly what
- 11:53happened with Iran about 60-70 years ago at this point, Yeah.
- 11:57When when when the American sponsored A coup d'etat against
- 12:02the Mossadegh. Almost a day.
- 12:04Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they installed the Shah.
- 12:05When they installed the Shah, what happened was the Shah
- 12:08didn't end up being as popular as they thought he would be.
- 12:13And he was pretty corrupt and he was pretty, you know, he was, he
- 12:17was pretty oppressive against the Iranians.
- 12:20And so you know. That's a funny thing that they
- 12:22think that this guy's gonna be the popular one, even though
- 12:24they just had a popular vote. Exactly.
- 12:27They were like, no, no, that's the wrong one, guy.
- 12:30Exactly. Yeah, this is absolutely
- 12:31moronic. This is the right choice you
- 12:33guys. And and, and, and, and if they
- 12:35think because that was apparently originally supposedly
- 12:38one of their original goal, yeah, to to topple the Khomeini
- 12:44regime and therefore the Iranian government's overall, yeah, who
- 12:49the fuck could they choose the other, the other Polyvi kid guy?
- 12:53I mean, come on. I I think here, here's the
- 12:56thing, I think we're wasting our time trying to think of a plan.
- 12:59No, Yeah, we really. Are for the United States and
- 13:01the United States went into this without a plan we're.
- 13:03Probably thinking. More about the plan than they
- 13:05are thinking. About yeah, 100%.
- 13:07They're just like, we want to shoot people and we want to feel
- 13:09good. Yeah, somewhere, somewhere in
- 13:12like the basement of the Pentagon.
- 13:13What theft Hecseth. What is the?
- 13:15Name of that Pete Hegseth Pete. Hegseth, that's alright Pete,
- 13:17that is a crazy. Name.
- 13:19It's like opening ChatGPT. How to win war in Iran.
- 13:24The alcoholic tough bro, Yeah. Man, I think horrible, horrible
- 13:29camo time. Probably slurring the his his
- 13:31his words as he types it too. Because he's drunk.
- 13:34He's drunk off his marble. Iran.
- 13:38Khamenei. Khamenei All right, I think we
- 13:45have news from Indonesia, Sir, are ya?
- 13:47We keep having news from Indonesia.
- 13:49Dude, I, I'm so I, I I love all this news from Indonesia.
- 13:52Stop. You gotta stop.
- 13:53Give. Me 5 things keep happening.
- 13:56But anyway, actually this is a this is a relatively good news.
- 13:59Whoa. Good news from Indonesia.
- 14:00What? It's amazing.
- 14:03Hey, it depends on who you ask, actually, but all right, Christ.
- 14:07In a rare win for democracy in Indonesia, 4 activists were
- 14:10charged with incitement during the last August's Augustus.
- 14:14Augustus Last. August nationwide anti
- 14:17government protests have been acquitted of all charges in the
- 14:21Central Jakarta District Court. Now the activists, if you
- 14:24weren't aware, my were made-up of university students and human
- 14:27rights activists, including most notably, the executive director
- 14:31for the Locataru Foundation, Del Pedro Marjahan del Pedro, which
- 14:34by the way, is a thick ass name. I know, right?
- 14:36If you have if you have a name like that, you're not gonna work
- 14:39in an office. Yeah.
- 14:40You're gonna be like Pedro Marjahan.
- 14:42Hey, do you know Del Pedro? Yeah.
- 14:44Fuck yeah bro. It's like you're not gonna see a
- 14:45LeBron James working at the grocery.
- 14:47Store. Nah, man, you're going.
- 14:49To the NBA man, Nah. Other than him, there's also the
- 14:52staff member for Lokotaro as well, Muzaffar Salem activist
- 14:56Shadan Hussein and university student Tariq Anhar.
- 14:59Yep. Now the crimes which they were
- 15:01charged with, if you ask anyone who's not a cop, is a whole lot
- 15:05of junk. As they were told they were in,
- 15:08as they were told that they were inciting hatred and hostility
- 15:11towards the government which led to protests escalating into the
- 15:15riots that we saw last year. Because any Indonesian would
- 15:18know it takes a lot to hate our government Now.
- 15:23Just just briefly fellas, we gotta ask, with this ruling in
- 15:26place, is democracy back? Is this a big W for civil rights
- 15:31right? Now, yeah, bro, it's not like
- 15:32it's not like all the other. It's like 1000 of protesters
- 15:37have been are in jail yet are in jail still.
- 15:41We'll get back. We'll get back on.
- 15:42That and don't you worry about that four people getting
- 15:45released in a country where famously we don't use previous,
- 15:51we don't use previous court rulings as a form of thingy for
- 15:55the next court ruling, President as president for future court
- 15:59ruling. But that's what the people can
- 16:00still be arrested. Hey man, that's what I told me
- 16:02in law school. The president works, man.
- 16:05The president. The legal president is used as
- 16:08the source of law are. You switching we should?
- 16:10Are you saying we should switch from common law to civil law?
- 16:14Is that is that a big? Debate.
- 16:16Honestly, I'm just surprised we have good news for once, coming
- 16:18from this goddamn country. Yeah.
- 16:22And honestly, I think, yeah, I feel like hopefully for like the
- 16:26friends and family of those 4 activists, they yeah, they can
- 16:30like breathe a sigh of relief. And yeah, and not to also
- 16:35mention like I feel like this should hopefully be
- 16:38encouragement for people still advocating for like the number,
- 16:42the large number of people still in jail since September of.
- 16:44Last year. To being like, hey guys,
- 16:46pressure works, keep it up, right?
- 16:48Yes, definitely. Well, there's a lot of pressure
- 16:52going into the court rulings for these four, especially since Del
- 16:56Pedro is of course, like a pretty notable figure in the,
- 16:59you know, NGO and. Activism space.
- 17:02Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but like, like you said,
- 17:04obviously just for your guys's information, these four are only
- 17:08a small fraction of the people that were arrested during last
- 17:11August's unrest. There were 6000 arrests.
- 17:14And I mean, like, funny enough, that's like 2000 less than the
- 17:19amount of troops that we pledged to the Board of Peace.
- 17:22So, you know, hey, small recruitment effort over here.
- 17:25Hey, 2000 more to go. And we got enough.
- 17:27So we still got a long way to go, fellas.
- 17:29Because as of February, 703 remain under illegal
- 17:33proceedings, with 348 charged under Article 170 of the
- 17:36Criminal Code for collective assault in public and 13
- 17:41activists are accused of acting as agent provocateurs.
- 17:46Rob A Couture. I had no idea that was a thing.
- 17:48I didn't know they were like. Yeah, that's crazy and there's a
- 17:51lot of people, there's a lot of people, a lot of arrests and so
- 17:53like small victories, but hopefully this leads to more.
- 17:58If you think that the people that are arrested, that's a lot
- 18:01because it is, it's a lot of people.
- 18:03A recently released independent investigation.
- 18:06By contrast, Yale Bihar EN the Jakarta Legal Aid Institute
- 18:09included that the state response to the August protests were both
- 18:14the largest suppression since the reform movement.
- 18:17Which is which is weird because I thought that the Reformation
- 18:2198 was supposed to solve this shit, guys.
- 18:23So it feels like it feels like we're back to square one right
- 18:25now. You want to know the reason why?
- 18:27It's because we didn't punish people the right way.
- 18:29When we when, when, when, when that whole reformacy happened, A
- 18:32lot of people who were a lot of people who were complicit or
- 18:36were enacting these, let's call them human rights violations and
- 18:42crimes, if you will. If, if, if you will.
- 18:45Yeah. Who were in power at the time,
- 18:47continue to be in power to this very day or continue to be.
- 18:52Exactly. Yeah.
- 18:53It was a very short holiday for them.
- 18:56And. And.
- 18:56And they never really were given.
- 18:59They were handed out punishment for these sorts of things.
- 19:01And so of course, old habits die hard, especially for people who
- 19:05are known for being extremely stubborn in their approach to
- 19:11governance and so. It's almost like, yeah, if your
- 19:15actions have no consequences, you have no incentive to change
- 19:19your actions. Exactly.
- 19:21Wow. Human behavior.
- 19:23That's insane, really. These people need to take psych
- 19:26one O 1 before I lose my God damn mind.
- 19:28Yeah, yeah, anyways. I doubt that'll help.
- 19:32There's, there's a whole thing as well about how like, because
- 19:35they all had guns, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna name any
- 19:37names here, but because they all had guns like Parliament.
- 19:40And like the group of people. And like and like the new
- 19:43president like did not have the weren't were were were were were
- 19:47somewhat afraid of prosecuting these people for their crimes
- 19:53pre reformacy. Right, like the Second Amendment
- 19:56that the states had now makes it clearer as we've begun to
- 20:01experience more and more fascism.
- 20:04They might have. They might be.
- 20:05They might be cooking with that one.
- 20:06Yeah. Yeah, they might have.
- 20:07Cooking with that one. We might need a second event by
- 20:09ourselves. Actually, I don't know if I
- 20:10don't know if are we allowed to say that.
- 20:12It's an opinion, you know, it is an opinion.
- 20:14It is an opinion. We're not.
- 20:15Inciting violence? We shouldn't say.
- 20:17We're not saying. Maybe the undang undang that
- 20:20says that I cannot have an opinion.
- 20:21That's true. I don't think there is.
- 20:24I think we're good. Yeah, we're good.
- 20:26We're good. We're we're completely in the
- 20:27clear. We, we, I, I want to own guns
- 20:30for the sake of owning guns anyway.
- 20:32Like I'm a Southern boy. He just wanna have guns.
- 20:34Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just have them on hand.
- 20:36Wanna have a big gun rack in your?
- 20:38Room oh bro. Gun safe.
- 20:40A gun safe, a gun safe. That's that's the that's the
- 20:42right way to store guns. Exactly.
- 20:44Exactly. Yeah.
- 20:44You have to do this right. You have to do this.
- 20:45Right, exactly. I want, I want them 55 sixes.
- 20:48I want the 76 twos. I want the 50 cows bro, you
- 20:53know? Are you?
- 20:54Are you are you a 11 inch barrel man or a 14 inch barrel man?
- 20:57Oh man, I love them small. I want I love 11 inch.
- 21:00Low and small just. Because just because they're
- 21:03easier to handle. You know, yeah.
- 21:05They're 14 inches. It's good on the grip.
- 21:07It's. Good on.
- 21:08It's good on the grip. Yeah, easier to grip.
- 21:09Easier to grip. Yeah, much easier to grip.
- 21:12But the 14 inches, man, they're too big.
- 21:13They're too long. Too big, man.
- 21:15Yeah, and and a bit too swingingy.
- 21:17Yeah, yeah. Got it, Got it.
- 21:18You. Want to have a?
- 21:19You want to have a bit of a. We we also have flexibility.
- 21:22Exactly. You really Yeah, yeah, exactly.
- 21:24Although although with, you know, with the longer the barrel
- 21:26you go, you know 16 barrel you're talking about like way
- 21:29higher penetration power. That's true.
- 21:30Yeah, yeah, yeah. Way higher penetration power and
- 21:33longer range as well. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 21:36Longer range you you really want to like reach out there and like
- 21:38just hit your targets. Yeah, a real measuring contest
- 21:43going really is to my right here folks.
- 21:47Anyway, we're going back to the good news.
- 21:49This is this is this is good news, right?
- 21:51And I did say that this was the District Court.
- 21:54So technically there there is, there still exists A pathway to
- 22:00appeal this decision. But with that said, the
- 22:04coordinating law, human rights, immigration and the correctional
- 22:06services minister Yusrill is Mahindra has urged prosecutors
- 22:11to just take the L man, just just take it and just don't try
- 22:16to appeal this to a higher court.
- 22:17Don't don't try to find more reasons to like keep this case
- 22:21going because it feels like everyone's kind of like
- 22:23admitting now it's like, all right, we messed up, you guys
- 22:27can go which, yeah, man, they. Were in jail for a month.
- 22:31Let these fellows go. But yeah, like you said, keep in
- 22:33mind these guys, they're free now.
- 22:35They spent the last six months in a jail cell, basically.
- 22:39Yeah. Imagine all the things they
- 22:40could do in that time and they could have start a podcast.
- 22:43Yeah. And got 3000 followers on
- 22:44Instagram like hey. Actually, hang on, you know, you
- 22:47know the crazy thing, They're all men.
- 22:48We're men too, for some reason. All men.
- 22:50When they, when they, when they, when they come together, they're
- 22:53pretty sure come up. I'm pretty.
- 22:54Sure. When they're sitting in that
- 22:55jail cell together, the four of them, one of them at some point
- 22:58must have thought we got to we got to start a podcast.
- 23:01I swear if they do, I do I. Would go crazy.
- 23:03If they do, I look forward to to to watching it.
- 23:05Del Pedro, if you start a podcast based on your
- 23:07experiences in jail, please, you're welcome to come on our
- 23:11show or or we can come on your. Show.
- 23:13Yeah, that'd be good as ever, Yeah.
- 23:14Anyway, the hope is that this ruling becomes a legal
- 23:17president, which will be used for not all the the other August
- 23:21activists who are currently undergoing their own
- 23:23proceedings, but also for a future possible unrest which if
- 23:27the country is still heading towards the direction that is
- 23:29currently going, that is to say the gutter, we might see a lot
- 23:33more of. I just want to clarify, we're
- 23:34not, we're not, we're not, we're not.
- 23:36We're not civil law. We're common law.
- 23:38Yeah, yeah. Which means that president.
- 23:41Which means that president doesn't matter.
- 23:43I feel like they taught me this in college but I completely
- 23:45forgot I have to go. Check again.
- 23:46Let's. Just double check that.
- 23:48That is in the. Putting that good Atmajaya
- 23:50education to use. Yeah, you're doing.
- 23:53Yeah, you're doing Shout. Out if specifically for Aria.
- 23:57If you were, if you were, if this was, if you were like in
- 24:00school in 98 or during, you know, the any, any sort of
- 24:04tumultuous time, you probably would have been like in the
- 24:06front lines, like freaking, you know, rioting, not rioting, but
- 24:10bro. Forget 90, I feel like 2019 Atma
- 24:13Jaya was sort of they were they were on there the for the
- 24:15forward. Were you there?
- 24:16Yeah. Were you there?
- 24:17Were you in the protest? I was in the office.
- 24:19Oh what? Well, you were working already.
- 24:21Across the street from your university.
- 24:23I was, I was at the, I literally remember 2019 during the during
- 24:26the riots, I was at the office working.
- 24:30Oh, so apparently Indonesia does take into account legal
- 24:32precedent. It does, yes.
- 24:33When you're in the same binding manner.
- 24:34I'm just reading Google right now.
- 24:35As common law systems, as a civil law country.
- 24:38Here we go. You're gonna learn something new
- 24:40here, folks. Indonesia's legal system
- 24:43primarily relies on written statutes.
- 24:45Yeah, there you go. I do recall this.
- 24:49I think like. It's persuasive, legal, not
- 24:51binding. Persuasive.
- 24:52It's not binding, but they often consider the Supreme Court
- 24:55decisions jurisprudency, as you know, that's more binding, I
- 24:59guess. Don't quote me on that.
- 25:02I mean. Speaking of precedents, isn't
- 25:04there also a president that for example with like this is not
- 25:07completely the same, but with the Lou Hood and Faris Azar
- 25:11case, which also finally also sprung out of a podcast?
- 25:16Like once they were acquitted of their crimes, the court, the
- 25:22prosecutor on behalf of Lou Hood re sorry, appeal to the court to
- 25:27have them prosecuted once more. And that dragged the case on for
- 25:29like an additional like 8 or 9 months, right?
- 25:33Honestly, what a baby. Yeah.
- 25:36So like I feel like there is also the risk of like after the
- 25:42acquittal, after they've been let go there.
- 25:43It's possible that the prosecutor want, if the
- 25:45prosecutor wishes to the appeal the case, it's possible this
- 25:49case might drag on. Yeah, yeah, that's what that's
- 25:53what the minister was saying. He was addressing directly the
- 25:58prosecutors. They're like guys.
- 25:59Stop it, stop you're just gonna it's not worse they would have
- 26:03just embarrassed themselves when they've.
- 26:04He because ultimately in the hood Paris Azar case, they also
- 26:08the appeal also did not pass. Right, there you go.
- 26:10Yeah, it was a waste of everyone's time.
- 26:13Yesterday, wasting our time in our fucking tax paid dollars.
- 26:17Dollars taxpayed rupees. Yeah, all the taxpayer rupee
- 26:20that could have gone to MBG man. Yeah, bro, could have actually.
- 26:24Ended properly, could have cooked all those catfish, but
- 26:26you know you decided to forget. Give it a raw catfish.
- 26:29Delicious, all that. You just need to cook it at
- 26:31home. Man, Yeah, bro.
- 26:32No, no, no. You cook it at home.
- 26:34Don't forget. You don't even need to.
- 26:36You don't even need to cut off. It's it's, it's, it's twiskers.
- 26:39You can just yeah, yeah, lick it, lick it a lot of.
- 26:42Crispy Yum Yum Yum Yum Yum Yum What's?
- 26:44Fucked up is that they put the raw catfish in with all the rest
- 26:46of the I know and it's spoiled the raw.
- 26:49Oh my God, of course it did, was why would it not?
- 26:51We're kind of getting off track, boys.
- 26:53Let's move on to Internet news, Daniel, I believe.
- 26:55Let's go to the Internet. Let's go Internet news and.
- 26:58Hopefully better than last week's Internet news, which took
- 27:01us down a very, very dark corner.
- 27:03Slightly lighter corner of the Internet today.
- 27:06Let's go online today. Today, or rather this week's
- 27:08Internet news, is that the government has planned to
- 27:10restrict kids from kids under 16 from using or having social
- 27:16media accounts starting the 2018 March.
- 27:20Fuck them kids. Oh no, unfortunately, or rather,
- 27:24I don't know. Fortunately, at this point, the
- 27:26government hasn't really come up with the technical details or
- 27:29the policy plan for implementing this.
- 27:30We'll get there. We'll get there.
- 27:32It's just. One in a long list of countries
- 27:34to emerge with social media age restriction plans, right?
- 27:37In addition to the real policy problem of having to apply this
- 27:40ban to like 10s of millions of users, watchdog organizations
- 27:44are also pointing out how this ban will actually make it more
- 27:47difficult for the young people of this country to access and
- 27:50distribute information. And that's got me wondering,
- 27:54boys, I wonder why would the government want to limit the
- 27:57flow of information these days? Hey man, I got no idea.
- 28:01Listen, I got I got a better We should we shouldn't be talking
- 28:04about this. You know, we should be talking
- 28:05about this. We should be talking about open
- 28:06a kitchen for ambiguity. You do, you know they they.
- 28:11Money you can get out. They make so much.
- 28:13Money you can get. Out and it's a shame.
- 28:15It would be a shame if the kids stopped talking about that.
- 28:17It'd be great because that way we they, they don't have to go
- 28:20online to. Look for information about
- 28:22Mahanan Burghizi Grates not. Only that they don't have to.
- 28:24They they can no longer share their information or, or
- 28:27whatever experience they've had about Mahan Burghizi grates.
- 28:29Yeah. If I'm being parilled, though,
- 28:31like what a kid 16 years and under what, what are they
- 28:36looking up for? What are what are they looking
- 28:38at looking up down there in the in the in the Internet?
- 28:41Well, I don't know. That's a good point.
- 28:43Well. According to the research that
- 28:44I've done, it's mostly to just use social media to like talk to
- 28:47other people, but also roughly 30%, twenty, 7% I believe was
- 28:53the number are using them for educational purposes, while the
- 28:5560% are using it for social media and, you know, just
- 28:59spending time on like all these platforms.
- 29:01This this has been a recurring thing that the Indonesian
- 29:04government has tried to do for a long time, OK just curbing, you
- 29:08know, freedom of access, like wide Open Access to the
- 29:12Internet. They've done this when when,
- 29:14when we were teenagers, when they blocked Reddit and like,
- 29:17and they had the Internet say hot.
- 29:21They're positive. Yeah.
- 29:21And they're positive. This is this has been a thing
- 29:24that's been happening ad continuum like continuously, ad
- 29:29nauseam. They kept, they keep trying to
- 29:31do this and they keep failing. Yeah.
- 29:33Yeah. Because this is the one time I
- 29:35feel like the incompetency of the Indonesia's government comes
- 29:39to our favor. Yeah, because I can.
- 29:42I can be. I can.
- 29:44I can rest easy in knowing that whatever measures they put in
- 29:46place, we can very easily bypass.
- 29:48Mm, hmm. Yeah, VPN's, yeah, I got to pick
- 29:51up. The PNS is in there, man.
- 29:52There you go. There you go.
- 29:53Yeah, I mean, like elementary middle Education Minister
- 29:56Abdulmuti has raised concerns about excessive gadget use,
- 29:59saying that this is a barrier to deep thinking, problem solving
- 30:03skills. And he also pointed out and
- 30:06called out scroll culture which results in superficial youths,
- 30:11which is funny because how can the government officials say
- 30:14that social media is causing youths damage to their education
- 30:18when most of the times like 90% of the times in fact, like most
- 30:22of the fake news I get are from like Om and Tanta Tanta on like
- 30:25my WhatsApp groups re sharing stories that are.
- 30:28It's so fucking true and very clearly made by artificial
- 30:31intelligence. Yeah, there you go.
- 30:32It's gotten so much worse now with.
- 30:34Really I. Feel so sorry for my
- 30:37grandparents man. And they think the kids are the
- 30:40ones who should be wary. Every.
- 30:43Single. Time something goes wrong on the
- 30:45Internet. Yeah, every single time
- 30:47something goes wrong with the Internet, it's just like we
- 30:49shift back to like, let's blame kids these days all over.
- 30:53There you go. Sometimes we do that too.
- 30:54No, we do that as well apparently.
- 30:56It is tempting. Right.
- 30:58It is tempting. It is something, yeah.
- 30:59Well, the thing about it is like what is the government actually
- 31:02doing about like the deeply intrusive way tech platforms
- 31:05farmers for data that they can like resell to other countries
- 31:08or to add or big corporations, right?
- 31:10What is the government actually doing to like, beef up our
- 31:13school curriculums to actually help kids develop critical
- 31:17thinking and haven't good educational base so that they
- 31:19don't fall for this thing? Why is it once again our fault?
- 31:24Well, let me tell you once, let me let me tell you on that very
- 31:26first point, we actually just very recently signed a trade
- 31:28agreement with the United States.
- 31:30Oh God, that would allow sell our data exactly sell, sell our
- 31:35data to governments in the United States.
- 31:38By the way, there's one thing that people really gloss over
- 31:41with that with that with that trade agreement and this this
- 31:43doesn't have to do with social media as well.
- 31:45What was that in that, in that a specific trade agreement, There
- 31:49is a clause, I don't remember exactly which article it is, but
- 31:51there is a clause which states that Indonesian media
- 31:54organizations and Indonesian news companies cannot, cannot
- 32:01request for profit sharing schemes or create profit sharing
- 32:06schemes or even, you know, how do you say or even demand profit
- 32:15sharing schemes from social media companies?
- 32:19Profit sharing schemes like like ads, like, like ad revenue.
- 32:23Yeah, that's us. Yeah, that's us.
- 32:25Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're kneecapping us, man.
- 32:27They really are. Yeah, so where's the money
- 32:29going? Exactly.
- 32:31You're telling me? Yeah.
- 32:32I wonder where all the money is going.
- 32:34Look at all the That's a massive slap in the face.
- 32:36You're using basically kind of the people, media companies or
- 32:40even smaller creators like us who are in like YouTube.
- 32:45No, technically the the the the the the the the the actual like
- 32:48the actual wording for it yeah is that the Indonesian
- 32:51government cannot create a legal cannot create a legal framework
- 32:56that wood Forest American social media companies to to to to take
- 33:01part in profit. Share.
- 33:02Basically it's up to them. Like you, like Google can just
- 33:05say like, no, I'm not giving you any of the ad money.
- 33:07Yeah, exactly. It's up to.
- 33:09Just like all hands off, it's up to them, yeah.
- 33:11Jesus, I know we're doing great as a nation.
- 33:13Google, please. Hey government, well done.
- 33:16Great job in negotiating that pay agreement.
- 33:18Well done. So proud of you.
- 33:20Hey, it's not, I know it's not like we, we totally normal folks
- 33:24rely that much. That's a really neat point that
- 33:26we really are. So this doesn't affect us.
- 33:28This will impact our income from zero to zero.
- 33:32Damn. Maybe even negative.
- 33:34We're dipping into negatives. Yeah, yeah.
- 33:35But you know what the with the thing with the Indonesian
- 33:38government and also like their approach to tech, I feel like, I
- 33:44feel like they at at times they can kind of like come at it.
- 33:49They have, they have a good idea for it or like they come at it
- 33:53with good intentions. I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm
- 33:55going best case scenario here. Good intentions, you know, like,
- 33:57sure, you want to like get kids to stop bed rotting and like,
- 34:03like filling their, their, their heads with like mind numbing
- 34:07content, sure. But like, they always approach
- 34:09it in the most boneheaded way. Yeah.
- 34:11No, yeah. Like this doesn't address the
- 34:13issue and in fact it makes things worse on multiple
- 34:16different facets. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 34:19And like, yeah. And, and that's my problem with
- 34:21it, right? Like obviously children's safety
- 34:23is at the front for the battle of free and accessible Internet
- 34:25for everybody. But this just feels how this
- 34:28just feels super performative given that like most of the
- 34:32world's governments let a paedophile run around the entire
- 34:35world flying kids around for like 2 decades and basically
- 34:38nothing, right? Like how is the government even
- 34:41like considering like solving this problem, right?
- 34:45Because one of the articles I read said that like the
- 34:47government's first like idea or like their, one of their biggest
- 34:50problems they're trying to solve right now is how do we
- 34:53incentivize regional governments to like actually follow the
- 34:56regulations. They're thinking of setting up
- 34:59reward systems for local governments so that they can
- 35:01compete with other regions to like.
- 35:04That's really strange though, isn't it?
- 35:05It's going. To be really, That's going to be
- 35:06really bad, yeah. They're going like, hey, how do
- 35:10we reward you? Give you an extra reward for
- 35:13doing your first job in the fucking place.
- 35:15I know. That's like the that's like how
- 35:17they incentivize ICE agents to make arrests.
- 35:19I know you're just gonna make make them like try and figure
- 35:22out a ways to just get more arrest bro like. $40,000 a year.
- 35:26Getting them addicted to the cash, Yeah, insane.
- 35:29Not a good way, not not a good policy.
- 35:31Wow, gonna be implemented horrifically.
- 35:34At this point, I have so little faith in this administration and
- 35:38I have very, very little faith that any of this sort of policy
- 35:41is going to be implemented. Well, right, Cuz we got what we
- 35:43got VPNs, we got, we got the are you above 18?
- 35:49Just click yes. Because what are they gonna do?
- 35:52What are they gonna do? Ask you to put in your Kate PE.
- 35:54Kids don't have Kate PE. So there's no way to like what
- 35:56are you gonna put in your Kaka information?
- 35:59I'm sure all that information is gonna be stored in a safe place,
- 36:01right? Like.
- 36:02About that, actually, yeah. I just want to say that if you
- 36:05were a kid and you're under 16 and you, you're met with that
- 36:09warning message, if you were anything like me, you'd be kind
- 36:12of, oh, shit, no way they're gonna figure me out, you know,
- 36:16No. So I would actually, they would
- 36:17actually kind of deter me. If you were a dumb kid under 16,
- 36:21that would probably might be effective, but obviously that's
- 36:24not gonna fit. Like it's not gonna fit all the
- 36:26kids out there who are somewhat smarter.
- 36:29And not to also mention that, like, kids these days are just
- 36:31normalized. Like, how is the government
- 36:33gonna know? And like, yeah, I mean, like,
- 36:34you know, it's like, it used to be like, like 2 years ago,
- 36:38people not even like, yeah, maybe like five years ago.
- 36:40People are really paranoid about having webcams on your laptop
- 36:42now. Kids these days, just like they
- 36:44have cameras on their phones and they go to bed with that.
- 36:47Super chill. I mean, who hasn't gone to bed
- 36:49with a real straight up looking in their?
- 36:52Face. We've kind of moved past the era
- 36:54of like NSA, Edward Snowden, everyone's looking at you all
- 36:58the time because we kind of just accepted, yeah, everyone is
- 37:01looking. At me all the time, yeah.
- 37:03None of us have tape over our webcams.
- 37:05No. Did you used to have tape?
- 37:06I used to have. Tape over my webcams.
- 37:08Yeah, for sure. Because I was like, damn.
- 37:10Fucking I don't want them. Looking at me when I'm dragging
- 37:13off. Yeah, I feel like we finally,
- 37:16like, our generation has finally reached the level of apathy of
- 37:19like, yeah, what the fuck? Am I going to just accept it?
- 37:21Right. Because like, like, yeah, like,
- 37:23hear me out, folks. I feel like I've like heard this
- 37:25story before. Like there's a big societal
- 37:27problem that the government needs to tackle.
- 37:30And it's mainly driven by a large billion dollar corporation
- 37:34somewhere in Silicon Valley. And so the government's best
- 37:37solution to that is to make it once again our problems.
- 37:41That's fantastic. It's classic.
- 37:43Yeah, it's classic, isn't? It I feel like we've just grown
- 37:46apathetic because like, you know, I feel like somewhere
- 37:49along the line there's like, hey, guys, you know, like get
- 37:51off of social media, touch some grass and I'm like, guys, guys,
- 37:55what the fuck are we supposed to do when there's no grass left to
- 37:57touch? Oh yeah, I guess we just keep
- 38:00ourselves busy. Where'd all the grass go?
- 38:02Bro mindlessly scrolling on Instagram and TikTok until we
- 38:05feel some level of the level of a spark in our bed.
- 38:09Sure, I can probably just go outside.
- 38:11It's not like it's going to incur additional costs.
- 38:12It's not like I have to like pay for transportation and food and
- 38:18like I can just go to the easily accessible, just the right
- 38:23around the corner library that I have.
- 38:24Oh, wait a second. We do not have any Also, I just
- 38:28want to point something out about about about the whole like
- 38:32social media panic. We need to save our kids ordeal,
- 38:35you know, because we've had already studies two major
- 38:40studies featuring not featuring but.
- 38:43Dissecting. No, I was going to say featuring
- 38:46or or or testing 125,000 kids that have shown that kids who
- 38:52use social media moderately have the best outcomes, whereas kids
- 38:56who are I who are either never on social media or always on
- 39:00social media tend to have symptoms of mental health.
- 39:06What do we call it? Decline.
- 39:10Yeah, issues with issues with mental health, basically.
- 39:12That's why we're all so mentally healthy.
- 39:13Right, but what I'm saying is. Because we're on that shit 24/7.
- 39:16What I'm saying is this, it's a, it's a, it's a relationship,
- 39:19right? It's a, it's AU shaped
- 39:21relationship. But it doesn't mean that one is
- 39:23caused by the other. It doesn't mean that it doesn't
- 39:26mean that social media causes mental health issues.
- 39:28In fact, On the contrary. Another major study done by the
- 39:32University of Manchester titled how do social media use, gaming
- 39:36frequency and internalizing symptoms predict each other over
- 39:40time in early to middle adolescence, with internalizing
- 39:43symptoms meaning symptoms of mental health issues.
- 39:48The results found that there was no evidence that time spent on
- 39:53social media or gaming frequency predicted later symptoms in
- 39:58mental health issues or symptoms in, you know, mental health
- 40:01issues amongst. Either boys or girls.
- 40:04That makes sense. Yeah.
- 40:06Because. Yeah.
- 40:06Because that was me. Yeah.
- 40:09That was me in middle school. I.
- 40:10Have evidence? That the study is successful.
- 40:13I'd wake up at like 3:00 AM before school and play hours on.
- 40:16Video games video and. Look at me.
- 40:19The picture of health. Yeah, the picture of mental
- 40:23health. And I just wanna, I just wanna
- 40:24hammer this down. The findings of this study do
- 40:27not support the widely held view that adolescent technology use
- 40:32is a major causal factor in their mental health
- 40:35difficulties. You know what is a war?
- 40:39Really bad governance. Yeah.
- 40:41Rising prices. You know, you know what is it's
- 40:44it's a big. Cooked fish.
- 40:47Yeah, I think if you, if I think if you eat ate raw Lily, that
- 40:50would be very that was that would be a very big, big impact.
- 40:54How about how about an AI that allows that allows people to
- 40:58make up weird inappropriate images of me online?
- 41:01There you. Go.
- 41:03I can't imagine. Yeah, damn.
- 41:08What? Anyways, insane.
- 41:10Thank you very much, Daniel. And that, of course, brings us
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