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GRAVEDGR Talks Playing EDC & Creating a Persona | 322 · Hey BigHead: The Vegas Local Podcast

• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a different episode today, boys and girls, as I am solo dolo in the studio, but thankfully I have a dear, dear friend of mine.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, before I introduce him, I want to kind of lead up to it.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, growing up as a kid, I was always in front of the TV.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: There was only one gravedigger in my life at that time, and that was the monster truck that us old heads remember seeing at like Monster Jam.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: But now, 2026, there's a new gravedigger that's entered my life, and basically we're best friends, which I'm stoked about right now.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome one of the hottest DJs in the music industry, Gravedigger.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the show, brother.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, hello, thank you for having me.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: So happy for you to be here.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: You're playing EDC this weekend, right?
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: For the second time.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Second time?
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Here in Vegas, here in Las Vegas, yes.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Is playing at EDC for DJs, is that like the Super Bowl for most DJs?
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is that something that they like the DJs want to be part of the lineup for?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, of course.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's funny enough, I was telling some friends, it's like, yeah, this is the EDM Super Bowl.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is the Super Bowl for us.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's peak.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's the well, it's like the biggest uh uh EDM dance festival in in uh North America.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's from my understanding.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's wild.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's great.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'll be honest with you.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah the ED EDC EDM type of music isn't normally my vibe.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm usually like a Metallica, Foo Fire's nausea Osborne type of guy.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: But when my team and I did our research on you, dude, I have to give you credit.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: You are phenomenal.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: I I I had no idea that you were behind the song Rampage, and that was a huge song.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's I mean it still is, but was, especially during the pandemic.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is it is my most streamed song, it is my biggest track.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it started my whole career 100 like without that song, we wouldn't be here today.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I wouldn't be talking to you, you know?
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, no, no.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was I owe everything, I guess, to that track, you know what I mean?
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: But it's uh different genre to what I do specifically now, I guess in the sub-genres of EDM.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but yeah, no, it is I I think it's still and will forever be my biggest track.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's incredible.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, yeah.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it was it was it really hit hit hard during the pandemic, right?
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, it like had a resurgence because the track came out in 2018.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: And over the pandemic, it just went viral on TikTok.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, dude, it was just for whatever reason, it just blew up.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when it really just went above and beyond.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: When when you first heard it on somebody else using it on like on TikTok, and then you saw the shares and all that, what was it?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: What was the feeling like for something like that?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if I'm being honest, it just like when I first started seeing it go viral, I think it was like, if I'm not mistaken, it was a video of someone on a motorcycle uh just randomly, I guess like just driving on an empty freeway or getting pulled over or something like that.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't think much of it.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, it's just a viral video, but then that viral video led it to start becoming a gym trend and all this stuff, and it's just a domino effect.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think like at one point it was getting like over a thousand videos a day.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's wild, like daily, just people using it as an audio on TikTok.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and yeah, it was just yeah, it just turned into like a you know a snowball effect, and it really just went crazy.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: We've had a few up-and-coming comedians uh on this show, and one of the things they say is when a comedian has like a viral video or viral clip that that gets huge, and it's before they're ready for it to get big, because then people have this expectation that this is what they're always like, and these comedians, they're still up and coming.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's not necessarily the case.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Do you feel like when you're when Rampage got huge, do you feel like you were ready for it?
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um or were you a little nervous about it?
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Were you a little like, oh shit?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: It was a long time ago, but yeah, if I if I can explain it, like before Rampage came out, I was still working in 9 to 5, you know.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the song got signed to a label called Heavyweight Records, and I got a phone call saying that, yo, uh they're like it was a cliche phone call from the label manager.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, Your life's about to change this weekend, and I'm like, What?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, easier, like sure, I guess.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: And bro, like we were when the song released, we were the cover of Mint uh playlist on Spotify, yep, and we just got on all the main editorials.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I had old friends from high school send me like screenshots of like bro, like you're you're on my Spotify, like on the main cover.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's all so it was just when that weekend happened, that's when it all hit me.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: In the moment, I was just trying to like process everything, but yeah, no, I was just it was kind of just like every kid's you know little dream, a big dream that they have.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: So it's very surreal, definitely.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I can't explain exactly how I felt, right?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because it was a while ago, but still, yeah.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh your catalog is obviously extremely impressive and your accomplishments are are impressive.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Most impressive thing right now, though, is you drinking a kone of beer through your mask right now.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you, dude.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I respect the dedication.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, I'm committed.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: Committed.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: No, um, it's like everyone asks me that.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: We were just getting, excuse me, sorry.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: We were just in Tampa uh this past weekend, yeah, and I had multiple people.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like after my set, yeah, I drank a few, like I drank a Jaeger shot of beer, and people were asking me, dude, how do you do it?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like uh it's like a mesh material, you know, it's like a sports jersey.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it's easy, you know?
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: You just gotta suck really hard.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Pause.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Or no pause.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, dude, it's it's very simple.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, dude.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh let's talk about the origin of Greg Digger.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Before music, is it true that you worked in a cemetery?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: Is that right?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: When you're that young and you're just surrounded by feelings and and of death, and like you're just you're you're surrounded by at a young age.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what does that do to you?
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would say it's really hard to like, I guess all we did was it was with my dad, the job.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we would just dig the hole, wait for the procession to happen, the ceremony, and then close it.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, we would see, I guess, you know, like people mourning, sure, and it is very sad.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: But it's kind of hard to connect to that.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was very young, you know what I mean?
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I do, I was like, I do have a lot of empathy for people and I feel for them, but at that age, I really just didn't process it like that, you know.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was really hard, like looking back, it's like, whoa, like maybe I could have gotten some sort of you know, I don't know, trauma or PTSD from it, but no, not really.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think it was so young that I just didn't think about it like that, yeah, you know.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean got got you to where you are today, right?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, of course.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, so like that going back to the origin, it's like I was a gravedigger with my dad, and then now that's my the name, my artist name.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but like I always made uh heavy, dark music.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm pretty sure you since you've heard some of it, it's very dark themed, you know.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess maybe my emotions subconsciously, I just put them into my music, you know, and it just matches.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's always dark, it's always like if it's if it's uh melodic, it's very sad.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's not happy.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't make happy music at all.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, at least I don't think so.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's very dark, aggressive.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe that's where I channeled, you know, that uh dark energy into I don't fucking know, you know?
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I used to be big into like WWE wrestling and everything like that.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of the clearly, because you're rewearing the strap.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: The Undertaker, yeah, no, I'm a huge WWE fan.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um a lot of the more successful uh, I guess, entertainers in the industry, their persona is usually an extension of who they are.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, you know, it's it's if you're stone cold, you're probably a badass, but you kind of amplify it a little bit more when you're on TV.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Do you feel like Gravedigger is you just kind of amplified a little bit more when you're on stage?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: I would say, yeah, 100%.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: But in a more serious way, you know.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm a very um, I I'm completely opposite, you know, but when I put on the the the whole getup, I get into a mode, you know?
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh some some people are just like, oh, he's like a diva, you know what I mean?
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's not talkative, he doesn't really uh show emotion, but that's the whole point, you know what I'm saying?
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's kind of cool to have that alter ego, yeah, you know, and the putting on the mask, it's like it's getting into gay mode and just pretty much just locking in, you know.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, a lot of people become way more amplified, right?
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: So like like you said, Stone Cold is like a badass.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure that's how he is in person, right?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: But it's it's on television, it's in front of people, so it's it's bigger, yeah, you know, so it's him times 10, right?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, it's like no, now it's that's it.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very nice or whatever, but when I'm Gravedigger, uh why would Gravedigger say hi to you?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I say it ironically, I'm like talking to you, but still, yeah.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you get what I'm saying?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like at a show, it's like Gravedigger is a badass on stage, you know what I'm saying?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: He is as like he is as mean as they get, you know.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: When did you decide the mask?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because it just like it just felt right, yeah, you know, like it's it's the name, uh, it should be anonymous.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I like to to think of it as my music.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I feel like there should be no face to it, you know, it should just be someone, anyone could be gravedigger, you know what I'm saying?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's just my music is just like uh like an escape for people, yeah.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like they can just be, I don't know, like kind of like a like a superhero kind of thing, where oh dude, like I could I want to be that guy because they resonate with my music, and it's just like a cool look at the end of the day.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not that deep, it just look cool, and I was like, all right, fuck it, it kind of goes with the name, you know.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I tell you what, it really does make you focus on the music solely, like you're not looking at the DJ of how hyped he is, whatever.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: You're just you're you're you're zoned in.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're just looking at a figure, yeah.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so yeah, love that.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um with so many artists today feeling that need to connect with their fans, using seeing their face and be being like on a personal side.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, that's not the case here.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you you still connect with the fans, but you're not using your facial expressions or anything like that.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: How do you stay connected with your fans without showing the face?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: And without with with kind of with still being anonymous.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually really hard.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think over the years I've struggled with doing that, you know.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think when I first started, I took like the Gravedigger persona a lot more serious, where it's like, oh no photos, I keep away, like I get escorted to stage right after the set that I play, I leave.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: But over the years, especially with pandemic, I was like, okay, well, like what am I gonna do?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like how do I give Gravedigger a personality?
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the best way, slowly but surely, I'm like trying my best on social media, you know, like not to be cringe, but to slowly start showing, oh Gravedigger, like you know, he's he's more chill.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, what is it?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: I share some of my personal life, like I have a dog, so I share my dog, yeah, things like that, you know, and it's like very just I don't know, uh just the complete opposite, you know.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's actually kind of cool to show that oh, this person, this dark persona, actually is human.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: With just just a little bit though, you know, like not to be I gotta stay on this fine line where I don't want it to be corny, right?
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I also don't want it like corny and how how what am I trying to look for here?
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I I compare what your viewpoint as just like The Undertaker, the Undertaker, the the person himself, he doesn't want to get back in the ring because he doesn't feel like he can truly be the Undertaker anymore physically, but also he doesn't like to show behind the scenes as much as others.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, like he he'll show bits and pieces, he has his own podcast and everything like that.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I felt like he was so true to his character, and that sticks with the legend that he is.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for example.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I can see you uh taking that same approach where you're you're showing a little bit behind the scenes, but not enough to take the use the fans out of the element of why they follow you and why they're dedicated.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, facts.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like yeah, you unmask is like you lose that magic, right?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: There's some mass DJs that do like they show they show who they are, like Dead Mouse.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think like it's just he puts the mask on, but then or the helmet, then he'll take it off, and then he'll do his sets.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know who Dead Mouse is?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Him.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not like an anonymous thing.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: For him, at least, you know.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: I get that.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: You said I want to talk about your the the type of music that you play.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you you said before you don't really play a genre, you create a vibe, right?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: What does that mean?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: So like you want to know like what kind of music specifically?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's now it's hard techno, it's very like like uh driving like 160 BPM, like just kicks constantly, very loopy music.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but it is like I guess EDMified.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: What I mean by that is it's not like super underground, it's still digestible to like a I guess a wider audience, you know?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, it's very like yeah, just very drivey and loud, I guess.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, people are going to be there's a solid chance that on on when you're when you're do on stage for EDC, people are gonna be rolling.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're they're gonna be on something.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: Without encouraging drug use, wink wink, uh-huh.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what's the best mindset to be in, to listen to your music?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: You should you just be happy, should you be sad, should you be fucking pumped up and amped up?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like what what type of mindset do you want your listener to be in when they see you live?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think it doesn't matter what kind of mindset they have, they should definitely just be open to listen to whatever.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, you go to a rave or a concert, you go to escape, right?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: So whether you know you go to escape, run away from your problems, just you know, an outlet, and you want to feel the music.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like it it doesn't matter what mindset they're in, whether you know they could be outside of that show or that festival, they could be having a really rough time.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: But it's that music is there to help them escape, you know.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I guess there's no real specific answer to that.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Just be open about it, you know?
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: And ready to just receive whatever, like whatever kind of music it is.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it's great.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: What year did your album Afterlife come out?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, what year was it?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: 2023, I think.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: 23.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: 23, yeah, yeah.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: That was my second album.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: You feel like that was a a a shift in the the direction of your sound, or do you feel like a thousand percent?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, a thousand percent.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was like uh because it we did like a rollout of like 12 months where it was single, then single, single, and then the whole album came out.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think we did three singles, and it was just showing that I was switching my sound, kind of like switching the whole, not the brand, well, kind of the brand, because I retired, like I told you, I had a trench coat on.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, I retired that.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I went through a few phases of like you know, wearing a hoodie, things like that, and now I'm just wearing this, you know, like it's whatever I like.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh, but yeah, that was definitely like the a shifting point for for my album.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: And that album was a hundred percent self-released, so it was a lot more fun, you know.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: It felt like uh my album release party, all my friends and you know, me, just me and my manager, we set it all up with my friends.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it felt like a DIY project, and it was way more fulfilling.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not that my first album wasn't, but I had a whole label behind me, you know what I mean?
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that was the first chapter of Gravedigger.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now, after life was the second half, love that, you know, and I'm glad that uh that album to now, I would say I'm to right now, I'm at the peak of my career.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not saying I'm gonna, you know, plateau or anything or fall off, but I'm saying like you're not done yet.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, no, exactly.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Job's not finished, we're still gonna go, you know what I'm saying?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, I'm just glad that that shift in sound, in direction that I did, it brought me to where I am today.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Love that, you know, and I did it, and I could say I did it myself, you know.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have your outfit picked out for EDC of what you make it wear yet?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Do I have yeah, yeah, I do, I do, I do.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: Is it all new?
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, no, no.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, it is new.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is new, yeah, yeah.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: But it's gonna be like it's a cool, like custom piece.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: That that kind of just without spoiling it, it just you know embodies the old songs and the new songs.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a it's a full circle moment for sure.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: You said recently that um Carnage has been uh a major influence and supporter of your work, right?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Did I'm sorry, and and and correct me if I'm wrong, did he recently change his name?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, he's Gordo now.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Gordo, Gordo, yes, Gordo.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Who was Carnage or Carnage or Gordo to you when coming up?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Coming up?
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, dude, I mean he was the number one influence that I had.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I would listen to his music walking to school.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was like my main kind of like uh yeah, the literally my number one influence to get into this dance music.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: This was like 2014, 2013.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, as time went on and I started getting into music, like I kind of just not I'm not gonna say copied, it was just he was so influential that I tried, I just made music that was in his style.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Which was like it's called Fest, it was called Festival Trap at the time.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, kind of just doing that, infused with like uh like my own twist on it with like heart style and blah blah blah.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, you ever tell him that?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, he knows.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh he does, yeah, yeah, he knows, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he he signed me to my label, he helped me come up with the the Gravedigger brand.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he came up with the name and he's like, Yeah, you're you gotta call yourself Gravedigger.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like the monster truck?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly like you said, dude.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the first thing you think of when you think of Gravedigger.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm not gonna call myself The Undertaker because there's already a character, right?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: But it just stuck, you know what I'm saying?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that go going back to why I wore the mask.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, Gravedigger, that sounds badass.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: It needs to be like a character, it needs to have a mask, it needs to be anonymous to have this whole aesthetic, you know?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love it.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: The music was there, it was just you know putting the pieces together, and he helped me put the pieces together.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: The persona and the uh it's so so interesting to see like the the music side of things is is its own beast, but then the persona and you know who you are on stage, I feel like it's almost just as important, right?
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, now more than ever.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like the brand, the stage presence.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's visual, yeah.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Everything is visual, a hundred percent, a hundred percent, yeah.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, back back when I got into music, everyone was like, Oh, it's like music is only uh 40% of the work, or you know, 40% of the work, and the rest is all like your brand, how you like network, how you you know move around your social media.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: This was back then in 2000 and like 16, 17.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and people were telling me back then, dude, the bubble, the EDM bubble bursted, bro.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Good luck making it.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then now fast forward to to to today, where like I think EDM is having its you know second resurgence, I think it's very, very popular.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, bro, I would say music is obviously for me it's the most important, but I know that it's not the most important thing.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is not, and that's sad to say, but it really isn't because I just feel like now, you know, we live in short-form content, and it's like, bro, uh, you can take hours and hours and hours in the studio and produce the greatest song of all time, right?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: But no one's gonna care if you know your fucking TikTok clip or your Instagram clip didn't go viral.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then you could it's very uh what is it?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: What's the word I'm looking for?
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like depressing, uninspiring.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna let it you're gonna feel like shit, you know, as a as a creative, if you put in all this time into your craft, yeah, and it just doesn't work.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Who handles your brand and the the um it's me, it's me and my team internally, me and my manager.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Do your boys go with you everywhere you go?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh well, yeah, my tour manager.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's coming with me, yeah, yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, yeah, yeah.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: But he comes with me and he helps me with like tour logistics and stuff like that.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then when it comes to uh like you know back-end branding and you know, uh brand direction, music releases, it's my manager.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Love that behind the scenes.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't come everywhere, but he's gonna come for EDC.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: He has to.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: He has to.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's legally he has a Super Bowl, bro.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's not missing out on it.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's not, no.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always intrigued with how uh songwriters or just artists, their songwriting process, and like you know, uh sometimes they just it's it just comes to them randomly while they're sitting in traffic, and then others just lock themselves in a room and don't leave the room until they come up, come up with something.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when you're producing and creating this music, yeah, what's your process like?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um and how long does it usually take?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: To be honest, it's random.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like I would say Excuse me, sorry.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Let it out, maybe I would say I'm the type of creative where even though this is my full-time job, right?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: I still look at my music as an art form.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I firmly believe that art is best created when it you're inspired, right?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: And if I'm not inspired, then I don't have a good workflow.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just I'm not gonna sit at the desk in my studio writing something and for trying to force something out, you know.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I'm not gonna forget how to make music, even if I don't write or I don't feel creative for a week, two weeks, a month.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I just let it happen.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: When when I feel inspired, all right, you know what?
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna sit down and I can cook up one to two songs in a few, a few days.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Three songs or whatever, especially now that I release a song like once once a month or once every two months, something like that, you know, right now, because I'm not working on an album or anything.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like I have a back inventory of a backlog, right?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: A backlog of songs, right?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't have to I don't have to um what's the word like force myself to be like bro, I have no music.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: I need to, I need to do something.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: I need to know I I know I'm not gonna stress it when I sit down and I lock in and the creative juices are flowing, yeah.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna You know, I'm gonna crank out a song in a day.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: How did you make Rampage?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um Do you remember?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, honestly, like uh what is it?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think the song itself, the instrumental, took like a day.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: No shit.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: But the vocal is where like it took a while.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: I sat down with this vocalist.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um used to go by perch.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he he pretty we sat down together on a well no we didn't sit down together.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: We were on a FaceTime call for like hours trying to figure out like, bro, like we need something catchy vocal-wise, you know?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because no one else was doing like we wanted like a catchy one-liner.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: So we just pretty much were just like, all right, bro, like we gotta have something that this is like the Gravedigger theme song.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be my first release.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: So like, you know, I'm wearing a mask and stuff like that.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: What what what what like we were just thinking of a song that or a vocal that kind of just embodies Gravedigger, I guess.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: And we were just like, well, what gets the people going?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: What what is like, oh, you the first words that come out of your mouth when you're at a show, when you're partying, what do you want to say?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: We're like probably like a curse word, right?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we just say it's like, oh well, bitch or whatever, which is the first word of this of the of the lyric.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was just like, I want to show that people are partying, they're having a good time, and you know, raging.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: So they're like on a rampage.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: So we're just like, okay, well, he was like, All right, well, what if we say bitch of on a rampage?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that sounds cool, but what else?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like that's it needs to be completed.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Something else.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's where we just took hours and hours and hours.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, Well, what how do you complete that?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then we were just saying a bunch of random stuff, and then at one point we just decided we fell on, well, I have a mask, you know, the mask is on my damn face, right?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: So we just ended up, I don't know.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: We said that line, we he recorded it, we put it on paper, and it was done.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I didn't think it was a hit or anything.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was just like, Oh, it sounds cool, it works, you know?
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then when I sent it to Carnage, I was like, Oh shit, okay, well, what does he think?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Okay, this is cool.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: The text message said, This is cool.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'll send it to some people.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, Well, shit, I I we'll see.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then, dude, like I think six months later, bro, just everything.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's wild, yeah, yeah, dude, it's random.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't really know when you stumble on a hit, you know?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's so funny how it uh something just so minuscule that you think is happening in your life just turns into something that's a exactly, and it's always the less overthought projects and stuff like that.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like less is more, you don't, you know, it's the an idea that you cook out really fast, and it's like it, you know, it's just you're in like flow state and it just happens quick.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's what is always most successful, you know.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Pump for you, man.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bro.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: You said you uh you also did EDC Mexico, right?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I did, yeah, yeah.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I've done that one twice as well.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: I love I love EDC Mexico.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's it's up there right next to right next to Vegas because um, well, like my parents are from Mexico, so like going there, it's always a good time.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: I love the food, everyone's cool, it's good to speak Spanish.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: With I have like a lot of friends out there as well that are also music producers.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: So it's nice to see them, you know.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Is ADC Mexico different than EDC Vegas when you're on stage or is it pretty much?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, dude, honestly, yeah.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: The energy in Mexico is unmatched, really.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like the crowd energy, you know?
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: It just feels like they it's way more of a of I'm not saying it's not a big moment for people here, but over there, dude, it's like uh it just feels like everyone is just in it.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's super into it and it the energy is ridiculous, bro.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Who else are you looking?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Are you looking for?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Do you do you stick around for when you're at EDC like Vegas?
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Do you stick around and see other artists too?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: If if I can, yeah.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: If I can, yeah.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: My plan originally was to go all three days.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, but I got a booking in Mexico, it's funny enough.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm playing Friday, and then Saturday I gotta go to Mexico City, and then I'm coming right back because I want to party at EDC, you know.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's gonna be a like a marathon weekend, but love that for you.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Who are you most excited to see?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: This weekend?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: This weekend, yeah.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would say I would say Nico Moreno.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Who?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Nico Moreno, okay.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's like another uh techno artist.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's from he's from France, and uh he's playing, he's playing as well.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I haven't seen him in a while.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Take me through your prep when you're leading up to like literally within an hour of going up on stage at EVC Vegas.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: What what goes through your mind?
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: What do you do in the prep?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like what what do you do?
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, usually I guess I like to pull up early, no matter what it is, to whatever show or festival to get into the vibe of things.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I would say probably like 30 minutes.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: 30 if it's a festival, if it's like a club show, 15 minutes, I'll start getting ready, like change and then really like uh get into character, you know what I mean?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Lock in.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's like my ritual.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I just want my own space, dress up, um, and then just no no one really talk to me.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and then that's just me like kind of like I still get nervous, you know what I mean?
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I like that's that's kind of like one of the best parts of it, you know, like feeling that anxious anxiety, like you you you want to be prep the best you can on stage.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: So that prep phase is is very, very important.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't want to be stressed out, I don't want to be bothered, I just want to be like me, just locked in mode, you know.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, feeling those butterflies and feeling that those nerves, but also knowing that you're prepped, like you're you're ready for this.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I'm so important to have.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I'm still prepping now, like my my set and everything.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: And even though I know it's perfect, in for at least for what the best that I can do, because at the end of the day, it's gonna be the crowd, right?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: If they like it, right?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: If they react to it and all that stuff, um, I can only prep that much, you know, but there's nothing like getting on stage and then just like pressing play, and then it's like, oh my god, like we're here.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: But once you press play and the intro starts going, dude, and it's dude, it I don't know how to explain it, bro.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of the craziest feelings like I could like ever express.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: Do you just turn your brain out?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like Jordan used to say, like, like when he plays basketball, he doesn't really think about it.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: He just turns your brain off.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's effortless, right?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: You've done it so much, but like it it feels um like yeah, you I think he said it best.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he turns off his brain.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know the thought process.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, the only thing that's going through my mind is okay, next song, locked in, next song, next song.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, like I'm so locked in, I forget to drink water.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some like he has to tap me on my shoulder and be like, bro, like you need water or something.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because, dude, sometimes like okay, EDC is open air, but there's club gigs, and sometimes those club gigs get really, really hot and sweaty, and it's like, bro, I'm definitely getting dehydrated.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: And some of my sets are longer, like EDC is like 60 minutes, but on average I play 90 to two hours.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: 90 minutes to two hours.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: So straight, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um uh not too long, I think early, yeah, November of last year.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: I played my first all night long.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: So if you don't know what that is, I'm playing from doors to doors.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: The whole yeah, I played like five hours.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's wild.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was five hours, yeah, yeah.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: And it was from start to finish.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: And there it was just uh it was just a marathon, you know, it's just keeping up, like to take your time, take your time.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Don't don't go too hard, you know what I mean?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, can't go crazy on the stage presence because you you know, you move and everything, and what I'm wearing, it gets really hot.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the more the club fills up, bro, it's just I know I'm not in shape.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, dude, I had to, you know, really, really take my time, wear the most comfortable shoes I had, and everything, bro.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, no.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm glad you and I are both staying hydrated with our couple of things.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's what's most important, bro.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, yeah, I I'll prep for you, baby.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: I got to get a whole 24-pack in the floor.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: You do?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: I bet we're not leaving until we gotta leave until it's yeah, yeah.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: We're locking in.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: You just had a uh a new song come out with negative, right?
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Rakata.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I was gonna wait for you to pronounce it because I would try to pronounce it and I wouldn't.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Pronounce it.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Say it, say it's it.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think is it?
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: Rakata.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Rakata.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, no, it's rackata.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say racata.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, no.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's rackata.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: How did you guys hook up?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: How did how did you and Negative hook up?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, in the studio, I think we made it, dude.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: That song's kind of old.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: I made it in 2024 with her.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I've just vi I went to her studio and and in a week we cooked out like three songs.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't the first time we've worked together.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: We did like a small little EP earlier last year, and then this was the last song that we had made together.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and yeah, we just like pretty much locked in the studio for a week, cranked out as many songs as we could, and uh, that's pretty much like exactly how it happened here.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's so funny.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, yeah.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm telling you, in one week we made three songs, right?
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: But like right now, I haven't really like made too much music.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like one song here, the other song there.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then prior to that, I was on like I was on a hot streak of just making music like constantly, every week, every week, every week.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, recently I haven't made a lot of stuff.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: But like I said, look, that song Rakatha was made over a year ago, and it's barely coming out now.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it takes time, you know what I mean?
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you want to find the right label.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: You want to either okay, you're gonna self-release it, what are you gonna do?
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: What is the process of doing that?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: It takes a long time, bro.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Do you hate that process or do you are you okay with it?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because it you're gonna be able to do it.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm okay, but I also hate it.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because to me, it's new to the fans and they want it, you know what I mean?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: And they they finally get to hear it because before that they can only hear it at my shows, right?
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good incentive for people to go, but it's old to me, you know what I mean?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: And as a creative, it's like, bro, I could have done this better.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm way better at making music now.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: This sounds off, it could have made it louder, could have made it sound cleaner, yeah, things like that.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: But I think I'm the type of person where it's like, bro, once the song is done, uh, it's it's done.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna go back and change it.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's very rare that I do that because I have, but um, yeah, no, it's it's kind, it's kind of shitty that you have to wait, but it is what it is.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that's the business, you know what I mean?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: If you want it to be good, you want it to be promoted properly and everything, yeah, stream well and and perform, then you gotta wait, bro.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: When do you think you're gonna work on your next album?
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oof.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: No pressure, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's a big question.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, dude.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I know once I did this album, I was like, okay, I think it needs to be I like I haven't even given it a thought, bro, if I'm being honest.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna do singles and singles and stuff like that.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I I really don't know.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe when I transition into pop music.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, there you go.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Never know.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Spirit Carpenter, I love that.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I I really don't know.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: What uh what's what's coming up in the pipeline for you then?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: You obviously with your shows you have coming up this weekend at EDC in Vegas.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: EDC, then Mexico, come back.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um Europe.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: No shit.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: I will leave next week for my Europe tour.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh later on down the year, or later on down the year, I'll do my US tour.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I haven't toured the US yet.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's gonna be a big one.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be a big tour.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can't really share much more than that, but I'm gonna go to Europe, come back, and then then we're gonna do a US run.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm stoked for you, man.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm stoked for you for your US tour, whenever that is.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm stoked for your Europe thing, but I'm I'm really excited for you for to come back to EDC this year.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, yeah, no, it's gonna be so much fun.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: You are you going?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm going, but I will go.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was going Sunday.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're going Sunday?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Then we got a link.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be there on Sunday.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm super timed.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hell yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Gravedigger, my man.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: This is fucking awesome, dude.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it, bro.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so having good luck.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: Good luck on Friday, man.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Boys and girls, check out Gravedigger.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: Where can they find you, by the way?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: For the few people in Vegas that don't know Gravedigger yet.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me what's going on.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: On like social media and stuff?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's uh at Gravedigger Music.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: At Gravedgr Music.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: What's it?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: On everything, on everything.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: TikTok, Instagram.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: Why'd you spell it like that?
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was abbreviated.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like Gravedigger was too long.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the monster truck is spelled out like how it is.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: I I think there's a space for the for the Yeah, exactly.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's two, it's two words.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Two words, yeah, yeah.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was just like, um, I wrote I wrote all the ways that I think sounds looks cool.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I want it to be one word and shortened.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yours is better.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, people, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: This is great, man.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm stoked for you for Friday, man.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be great.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited for your Europe tour.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be awesome, man.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you coming in, man.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Check out new episodes, boys and girls.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: But more importantly, check out Gravigigger at EDC this week on Friday.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: Friday, 1 30 a.m.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: Friday, 1 30 a.m.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Love that.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, new episodes each week on heybighead.com.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see you guys later.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: That was right.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're done.