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319: Government Overreach and Ranch Land Rights— Why Producers Need to Act Now with John Campbell · CattleUSA Daily

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In today's episode of the Cattle USA Daily podcast, we are
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bringing on John Campbell once again to come and give us a
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rundown on what we have been seeing in the live cattle market
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over the past week. John also comes on to share an
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experience and some things that are happening in the state of
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Colorado right now as far as clean energy initiatives are
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going. And he brings some really great
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information, some exciting news, but also a really big call to
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action for people to get involved in to really look at
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this as an opportunity to make your voices heard, especially
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when it comes to protecting our ranching lands.
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Welcome to the Cattle USA Daily podcast.
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Your go to source. For the latest livestock
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markets, industry insights and the update shaping agriculture
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today, I'm your host Lauren Moylan, a passionate advocate
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for agriculture. Here to keep you.
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Informed and connected. Now let's dive into today's
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episode. John, welcome back to the
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podcast once again. How has life in love Lila Hana
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been? You know you're going to work on
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a different intro. I really am compliment for
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lovely Lahana, but I'm going to guess you've never been here.
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I've driven through Lahana. Everybody does at.
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Night we need to quickly and I didn't stop.
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Kind of wheeled under the old convenience store for a little
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cup of. Well, what would you rather me
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say loser Lahana? Like you got to come up with a
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different L word for me. I know, I know.
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OK, All right, I'm I'm going to think of something and I'm I
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have our economic development committee call you with the
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Lana's. OK.
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I like Lana just because we're kind of nobody wants to be here
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and that's perfect with me. God.
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Loves it that way. All business and we from all
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these other places because we're kind of the spot, but then you
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don't have to put up with all of BS.
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We do put up with some but but not a lot.
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Oh, there you go. There's some positive outlook in
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the world. So we got to stop calling it
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lovely because we don't want people to move there.
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Right, right. OK, perfect.
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We'll just leave out the lovely and maybe we need like a middle
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of the road like it's just, it's OK.
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How's life in OK Laurana? Yeah, you don't have to be quite
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that, Frank. Let's don't say how's thing in
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middle of the road, even though that might be a compliment,
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though we aspire to. That's fair.
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Be a little higher up the list. I don't know what's between
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lovely and middle of the road, but work on that.
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I'll we'll we'll text back and forth and we'll come up with the
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right, right word that we want to use there.
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Perfect. I love it.
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Perfect. I'm glad we got that settled
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too. Well, now that that is all
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ironed out, how have the markets been this week, Josh?
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You know, really pretty good these and not a lot of cattle
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work. You know, everybody's just kind
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of setting on needles and and and in a whole position here and
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and have been for a month. I mean, I sound like a cracked
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record, but you know, 1000 cattle.
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We missed the rain. That was just a dead ass cinch
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to come today. So they're talking next Tuesday,
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but I don't know. They just fizzle out by the time
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it gets here and and it hadn't been that hot.
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I, I mean, it's been nice in the 70s and just looked like we were
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perfectly set up for rain today, tomorrow, we're doing this on
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Thursday and boy, we got nothing.
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But anyway, 1000 cattle here in a lot of I thought the light
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cabs higher again, we're getting some cabs guys are starting to,
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to, to send some cabs off some cows just to try to lighten the
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load on the cows. Hopefully that'll allow them
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enough grass to kind of get their cows through.
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So I thought 1015 better. And really the Cavs weren't any
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better quality or any any more numbers than what we saw last
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week's. You'd have to call it that much
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better just because we're back to comparing apples to apples,
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the stalker and the feeder cattle steady.
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But boy, we've just seen a big run up in the commodities and
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later here in the week, the thing just really has caught
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fire. And of course, everybody knows
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about the Fed cattle complex. We went from 2:46 to 2:57 in
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about 3 days. And so that's really sparked the
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deal, sparked the commodity deal.
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Pecker just got out and really wanted to own cattle.
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I think that'll roll over into the feeder deal and and I don't
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know, things just just just look great.
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We had some 380 LB little light black steers here.
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These were off the cow brought 347 1/2.
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Their Big Brothers weighed 470 and brought 570. 50 weight
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stairs at 477 1/2 and some 660 LB.
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They were off grass. Red Angus cross had a little had
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a little ear on them, a little cross.
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They bought $4.00 a pound, 8 weight steers up to 375.
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Over on the heifer side in Lauda. 330 weight effers at
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6:15, 4/20 at 5:35. We had some 550 weight effers
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fully steady with what we got last week at 437 1/2.
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Its swayed effers right up against $4.00 and some 765 LB
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effers. Pretty good ticket on them at
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3:54. I thought the cows were higher.
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I don't know where the cows are going to come from unless it
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stays dry. Getting a few pairs and mostly
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just kind of a clean up pair deal.
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The pair market is good when you've got the stock of the
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front end. But what we're getting is, you
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know, guy runs slaughtered cows and he brings 15 pair to town.
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So maybe not not his best cut, but that's OK.
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Everything has a value. But still sold some little 3
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year old bears. They were thinner, kind of 900
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LB cows had 100 LB week. The month old calves on them
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bring 44 1/2. The solid mouth bears at 4200.
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And still surprisingly, even with the up in the butcher cow
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market, the old bears, it's still justifying leaving them
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together. You know, we're not, we're not
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splitting many of these old bears, 345 on the old bears.
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And like I said, they would have small caps on them.
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So the pear market, you really need to figure out how big the
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cap is because that cap is a big percentage of what that pears
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bringing. So if you're shopping around
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wanting to know what the pear market is, make sure whoever's
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providing the information kind of qualifies the size of the
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calf because you're a $6000 pear in South Texas was an 1100 LB
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three-year old and she had a 550 LB tiger stripe bull cap by
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sides. Make sure you know what you're
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comparing when you start asking questions.
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Absolutely. Well, it is encouraging that we
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haven't quite seen a huge influx of cows in Pears yet because
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that means that at least most of the ranchers in your guys's area
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are still kind of holding off waiting for a little bit of that
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rain, which I know that you guys desperately need out there in
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Lahana. And it we're, we're trying to
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send it all your way. John, Dan and I are over here
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really trying to figure out a way to bottle up the rain that
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he's got in Iowa and just carted out to you.
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And I don't know if I need to stand out there with fire hose
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and fire truck or something and just like spray the town of
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Lahana, maybe spray you a little bit.
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I don't know. I don't know what we need to do,
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but we're we're trying to figure it out.
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Well, I don't know any other way to say this, but we kind of pick
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our influencers by results and so far you 2 are doing this poor
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job. I'm just, you know, hell, I
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mean, firehose this I I mean, I get all these deals about all
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worse. We're sending it to you.
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And I talked to Dan just yesterday and he was in
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agreement with me that we're going to bottle and not make.
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Well, you know, let's quit with the talk and let's see some
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action from you 2 and OK, I'm I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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I just, Sir, yes. We're up against, we're up
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against the wall back here. I don't, you know, I need, we
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need sympathy. You know, there could be some
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tears and just it will pound in and I just, I just really want
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to know that you care. John, I care a lot, I really do.
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But have you practiced that on your husband?
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Kind of that I dropped that on an head tail.
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You've practiced that. There it is.
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There it is. See.
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I can't keep it serious for long though, you're to see.
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That break, yeah, it took me 40 years to get her over that shit.
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My gosh. Good Lord almighty.
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OK, that was good. That was good.
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Well, Speaking of Lahana, you guys are have some shit you're
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dealing with there. You want to talk about it?
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Ones that are dry, we need a little.
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We don't laugh about it. We will cry about it, John.
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OK, so we're laughing about it. I know well and all of this it
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sincerely. I think we feel the same way,
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but they're not a hell a lot we can do about it.
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So I feel a laugh about it. It is what it is.
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Exactly, exactly. I've only got a limited number
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of tears I can shed and I give it no I.
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Know, I know, I know, and. You're right.
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Now we just can't give it to Lahanna.
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Fine. No, you've got some big ticket
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items, I'm sure in your little war closet there that you're
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wanting to drop on your hubby. I want to look at it.
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My goodness, now John, he listens to this podcast.
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You can't be giving away all my damn secrets.
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Yeah, something tells me he may kind of have some of that
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figured out. Just maybe there's a chance.
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There's a chance. All righty.
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Well, let's shine the spotlight on Colorado.
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Give us the rundown. What's going on?
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Well, and just recently our representative and senators put
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a, a pause out, not they haven't killed it, but they put a pause.
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And I'm talking about the Department of Energy's, they're
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still pressing for a national transmission corridor.
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And, and it, it had made a lot of news, but you know, other
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states, they started out with 10 of them and seven of the 10 have
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already shut it down. These proposed transmission
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lines because of, you know, naturally government overreach
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into private property rights. But here in good old liberal
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Colorado and our neighbor to the South, that may be worse, maybe
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probably as New Mexico. They're still on the short list
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to run a 5 to 15 mile wide, 750 mile long transmission corridor
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from Hobbs, NM, right over here at Lamar, Co.
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And naturally, those who object, they're worried about the
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Federal Powers Act that would come into effect if this
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proposal went through and eminent domain could be used
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against property owners. You know, once they pick the
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exact route, it only takes 225 feet to run the power line, but
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they're tying up an area 5 to 10/15/50 miles wide.
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Once it goes through, then they, they've got the government's
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blessing to put it wherever the hell they want it.
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And, and probably that goes across quite a bit of private,
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private property. So, and for those of you that
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don't know, the corridor is for the construction of this, these
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huge transmission lines and they carry wind and solar energy up
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to a central location where then it can be redirected east or
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West. But you know, you would think
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that the Biden's executive order that put all this into play back
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in his administration to be carbon pollution free by 2035.
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You'd think that would be defunct because Trump's order to
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cancel $30 billion in these clean energy loans that Biden
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put out. But you wonder, why do they, you
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know, does it occur Department of Energy, why are they still
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pushing this agenda when they don't have any funding?
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But, you know, my thoughts are is that there's a lot of money
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already been exchanged and a lot of these private government
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partnerships have been formed and will be subsidized by the
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taxpayer if the project does go through.
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And a lot of these people got committed to that just because
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they thought, well, you know, hell, this is a cinch.
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You know, the government's going to back us up.
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Hell, we'll have plenty of money.
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And they're just in it up to their armpits.
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And they've already invest a lot of money, and they're in too
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deep to get out. So they got to try to salvage
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the program best they can. And the Department of Energy is
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using what they're calling a TFP, which is a transmission
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facilitation program. Got an abbreviation for
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everything, but they're using that to fund some of these
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private companies or give them loans or grants.
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Next era energy transmission. It is amazing to see how many
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affiliate businesses or enterprises are associated with
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something like this. I mean, the infrastructure is
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huge and everybody's got their hand out and everybody wants to
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get involved because it's, you know, it won't stand on its own,
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but it's a government backed program and you can get free.
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And you know, if anything the government knows how to do is
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spend a hell of a lot of excess money that they don't need to.
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And if you're in that business, you want the piece of that pie
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for sure. Grid United is another private
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company, got 9 app, $1,000,000 grant.
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I love when they say it's not directed towards the project
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indirectly. It's for economic development,
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and I just love when they say economic development because,
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you know, they park a motorhome next to the side of the road.
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And if you own the turd pumping station, the convenience store
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or the Mobile Chalupa Taco truck in downtown Campo hell, you're
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all in. You know, that's the greatest
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thing that's ever happened to Southeast Colorado.
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But the sad truth of it is it you think you're getting a nice
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young family, tax paying family that's going to come and buy
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your kids poultry project at the backing County Fair, Probably
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not. They will have pulled their shit
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up and moved on to the next project.
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And you get to deal with the the remnants.
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It's kind of like around Lahata here several times to stimulate
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business, they've proposed building a prison.
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I mean that that's your economic development.
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It is a prison. And boy, oh boy, you know, you
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think of Leavenworth, you think of Canyon City, what do you
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think of? You think of the prison.
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Well, that's a really nice business model to hang your hat
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on. I mean, you got all of those
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slugs laying around and, and taxing your court system and,
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and they're up for parole. They're up for this.
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In the meantime, they got their lady or wife or live in or
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whatever, and she got about four pups on the welfare roll waiting
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for him to get out. And then when he does get out,
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they don't have any money to go anywhere.
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So then they stay on your welfare roll and it's just a, a
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great economic development. Do if you have a prison, you
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need to talk to those people that have one of the people that
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work there, live in a city 60 miles away.
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And like I said they swing through the convenience store
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and buy a Slim Jim and Gatorade and that's your economic
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development cuz they sure as they only go live next to the
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prison but they can't wait to get their happy ass home.
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So the people that live there build all this infrastructure.
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We put new curb and gutter in ore dweny Colorado pass the
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building shit they have yet to build the 1st house there but
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they do have nice curb and gutter.
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Who the hell wants to live in Ordway?
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I mean there's nothing there. So all the people that work
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there, they pack their shit up and they travel back and forth
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and on paper looks like great plan.
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There's no different than the corridor, you know, But I've
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seen those through and everybody else has too.
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If you got the RV park, why man, oh man, it it's a hell of a deal
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for about two years and then you got to wouldn't wonder how to
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revegetate your RV park and tear out all those risers and the,
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the pump place to pump your shitter out anyway.
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But you know, when you start forming government private
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partnerships, I think is my point, and you give out these
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green subsidies to a select few, you really flip the principles
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of a free market. I, I, I mean, that's a fallacy
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there. And you have all these existing
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businesses that have paid their way and done their dues and due
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diligence and they're part of your community and they get
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whipped like a stepchild because you think you're really
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incentivizing all these new businesses to come to town.
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And like I said, you, you just add to the destruction of
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traditional industries that have largely paid their own way.
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I thought it was interesting. I read a deal that said gas and
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oil is 1000 times more productive per unit of land than
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wind and solar. But those solar and windmills
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are really nice to look at. What a draw.
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You know, I, I just love going by them.
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But I really think, you know, Warren, until we completely
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clean the swamp of these totally green remnants of the Biden
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administration, boy, private property, liberty, government
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law, fair and government overreach is we're just going to
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have to deal with it. Because they have infiltrated
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all of these committees and these remnants are still hanging
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around and they have enough seniority in a lot of these
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places that they trying to handle the step regardless of
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what the government entity above them thinks.
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You know, they control the agenda of that specific
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Regulatory agency or committee. I saw interesting quote.
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It says economic confusion and excessive governmental
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intervention is a breeding get ground for totalitarian ideas.
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And I, I just thought that was great.
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I added a little to that anyway, the general theme, what was sure
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where I read and, and and you know it, it is so true.
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You know, just let the markets be the markets, let the
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competitiveness exist. At any time you start injecting
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all of this government, whatever it is, you know, you, you tip
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the market upside down and you, you tip the the business
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environment because the playing fields no no longer fair.
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So, yeah, and I think we just have to be really careful the
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direction we go anyway. We're on the right path.
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I, as we you and I were talking ahead of time.
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It took Kansas about two weeks to shit.
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Can that idea? No, we really don't need a 15
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mile corridor and condemnation and eminent domain to go through
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western Kansas. And that's what it amounts to.
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Like I said that the power line is small, but we don't know
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where we're going to put it yet and that may affect individual
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businesses, cities, private property and Kansas was smart
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enough to pick up on that, which you'd think 1/3 grader could
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figure that deal out and say no way.
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Well, and I mean in the state of Kansas, we're very pro gas and
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oil right now too. We are very anti green energy
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right now for the most part. And there's been a really big
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push to go back towards oil and gas because like you said
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earlier, the ratio at which it's more efficient is substantially
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higher. And there's like when we look at
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these wind fields and windmills and solar and everything else,
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it's like the cost that it takes to maintain and keep those
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running and then the ROI that you actually get out of them is
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Nolan Void pretty much by the time that you take in a like
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take into account the entirety of a like sub area and then the
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transportation of that energy and everything else that goes
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into it. I'm like, we've got oil and gas
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figured the hell out. Like we have to do it in a
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sustainable way that is going to continue to protect our
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environment and protect our like grazing lands and everything
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else that goes into that. But at the same time, like we've
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got that figured out. Let's let's lean into that.
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And I my biggest qualm when they were talking about putting this
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through Kansas was the fact like the point that pretty much
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everyone in Kansas made of what? So we can transport and pay to
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transport energy, that we're then using energy to transport
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it. And it's how much energy is
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going to get to the end of the line by the time it gets there,
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and how many. By the time it finally gets
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there and factor that in and more, like you said, we've
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already got a system in place that's tried and true and works.
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And maybe it's not perfect, but you know, the infrastructure is
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already there. It's working, it's going, we, we
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have abundant resources of it. And the man, oh man, I mean, why
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shit can a deal that's already working and then shut all of
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that entity down and then put government money, government
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money into recreation, creating a new one that cost all the
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taxpayers and the land owners. When the oil and gas deal is
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largely self-sufficient, it adds to the equation.
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And I'm not saying, you know, there's some tax breaks and
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there's some deal in the oil and gas deal, all good and fine.
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But it comes a hell of a lot closer to standing on its own
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than these other deals, in my opinion.
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You know what? I would hate to be a land
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attorney in southeast Colorado right now.
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Yeah, because they're probably busy, even though there's a
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pause on this, Like, good Lord. Like, just the amount of
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property that they're going to have to go through an eminent
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domain and everything in order to get this running is going to
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be insane. And I pray that it doesn't.
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Like, this is a situation that I hope that the Colorado State
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Senate and representatives can pull their heads out of their
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butts for just one day and figure out that, you know, maybe
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this isn't the best thing in the world for our for our economic
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development. Yeah.
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Well, it by the time the average person realizes it, it, it, it's
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too late. You know what I mean?
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You can't stay back in the rears and say, well, we'll see if it
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goes through. It goes once it goes through,
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then it, it, it's a done deal. So you got to head that son of a
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bitch off before it ever, ever even gets a chance of going
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through. And, and I think our
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conservative nature is not well, I don't think it's going to go
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through. And I don't want to spend a lot
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of time fighting for something that probably isn't going to
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happen anyway. And then Wham, it's through and
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you think, well, shit, we need to stop this.
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This is horrible. Well, guess what?
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You screwed the pooch. But it's already it's already
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over and they're coming and we're going to run that So bitch
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right through your Rancho and adios mother and ain't a
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shitting thing you can do about it because it's the the whole
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program's already been approved. So just kind of to reiterate it.
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It pays on all of this stuff to get on the ground floor and get
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active. And I know it takes a lot of
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time and a lot of commitment and a lot of money and most of us
24:14
aren't geared that way, but it doesn't take much time just to
24:18
let your representative, your senator know Senator know that
24:22
man, Oh man, this, this ain't worth the shit.
24:24
And, you know, we're, we're kind of at a point now, I think with
24:28
Rollins and a lot of people, they're going back to the
24:31
country and kind of tuning out the lobbyists and the big
24:35
institutional people that take government money and, and go to
24:39
the boots on the ground grass root guys that really have, you
24:43
know, stock in the game and pay it a little more attention to
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them. Don't you think that there's a
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gradual shift that way conscientiously?
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Because I've talked to senators numerous times, wrote letters,
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had phone calls, da, da, da, da, da.
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And as an individual, you get nothing because you're up
25:03
against the Farm Bureau or you're up against the NCBA.
25:06
And they look at that as that's the spokesperson for everybody
25:10
out there. And we've said it before,
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everybody meaning about 3% of us.
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So I think there's a general shift if that to the 97% and
25:19
people are saying, you know, I'm going to talk to as many of the
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people that's directly affected by it as I possibly can.
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And I'll get a little more of an unbiased.
25:28
Well, it's definitely biased, but I'll I'll get somebody at
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least got stuck in the game and not some some bitch out here
25:35
that's making 200,000 a year from a lobby deal.
25:38
That that's his whole goal in life.
25:42
He don't give a shit whether it's right or wrong because it
25:44
don't affect him. That's his job.
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And you quit listening to themselves with bucks and start
25:49
going back to the people that make a difference that actually
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own the land and are involved in the commerce of the whole
25:54
program. So anyway, hopefully it's
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shifted going places. Yes, I could not agree more.
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Absolutely. We talked about so many great
26:02
things today. John, thank you for bringing
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this topic to us. And as always, thank you for
26:06
coming on and sharing your wealth of knowledge and your
26:09
candor and your thoughts and opinions and all of the things.
26:12
We always appreciate it here. Even if there is some healthy
26:16
back and forth between us, It's always, it's always great.
26:19
Keeps me on my. Chest back and forth you and I
26:21
agree on. No, we do.
26:23
Everything. We do OK, We do OK.
26:28
Another thing real quick, King of the ring this Saturday, be
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there, I'll be there. I look for I, I, I want to see
26:36
you come up, slap me in the back of the heads.
26:38
A lot of times I don't hear well, so you know, I, I don't do
26:42
good. So you, you know, you have to
26:44
get my attention, but Dodge City, KS Saturday 9 o'clock 8000
26:50
cattle 8 champion auctioneers competing at one location.
26:56
You don't have to drive 15 places to hear two of them.
26:59
They'll all be right there and they've got a tremendous slate
27:02
and it's just the winners do an outstanding job.
27:05
It's Lauren, you, you, you've been there and they've split it
27:09
up this year. They're going to have the Hall
27:11
of Fame deal later in the year, but going to have the golf
27:15
tournament and there's a big Derby party and they just do it
27:20
upright. And boy, if you want to see the
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country's best auctioneers and Wheaties in one day, I'll see
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you Saturday. This Saturday, Dodge City.
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Absolutely. We will have all of the links
27:31
for that down on the show notes where you guys can check it out,
27:34
get the information to join them in person.
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Or if you're not able to join us in person, we also will have the
27:39
live stream and the information where you can get all of that
27:42
down below in the show notes. And hope to see you guys there
27:45
in Dodge City this weekend. John, thank you for your time
27:47
and to all of you listeners, we will see you all next time on
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another episode of the Cattle USA Daily Podcast.
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Have a good one y'all.