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Monday Mini: An Update on Feminism · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha, and welcome to Stephan.
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  Speaker 1: Never told your production for IHEART radio, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another edition of Monday. Many I know when we have
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  Speaker 1: topics like this we maybe a little long, so we're
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  Speaker 1: going to try to keep it short because we have
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  Speaker 1: talked a lot about feminism today and how it's changing, Um,
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  Speaker 1: and what's changing about it and what we need to
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  Speaker 1: be looking at. But in March of two this year,
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  Speaker 1: not too long ago, if so, which is an international
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  Speaker 1: market research and consulting firm found in the nine, just
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  Speaker 1: in case you need to know, as well as the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it's the third largest research agency at this time,
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  Speaker 1: conducted a global research in collaboration with the Global Institute
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  Speaker 1: of Women's leadership at King's College London, and we thought
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  Speaker 1: we would take some time to look at those numbers
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  Speaker 1: and Statistics and talk about it because it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: interesting to me. Um, what you should know that yes,
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  Speaker 1: they did do a bit of the polling in the US,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of other countries as well, and from
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  Speaker 1: what I read in another article in reference to this
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  Speaker 1: specific statistics, is said that the highest amount of people
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  Speaker 1: who felt this strongly were Russians. So take that for
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  Speaker 1: what it is. We've always talked about when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to numbers and research, there's a little, could be a
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  Speaker 1: little bias, that we need to understand the underlying bits
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  Speaker 1: of it. So, like I said, just be aware. So
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  Speaker 1: what we're focusing on is specifically the, I guess, the
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  Speaker 1: take that many, specifically men, take on feminism and what
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  Speaker 1: is happening with feminism today. So we know that feminism
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  Speaker 1: has changed a lot, there's many waves and we are
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  Speaker 1: now to the point of being the intersectional feminist, which
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  Speaker 1: is the different layers and that there are different leaders
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  Speaker 1: in different ways of looking at feminism Um and hopefully
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  Speaker 1: we are combining uh different marginalized communities in this conversation
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  Speaker 1: so that we are better understanding what is needed for
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  Speaker 1: those who are oftentimes the most marginalized. So that's what
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  Speaker 1: we have talked about when it comes to feminism. I
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  Speaker 1: think some of the point of view has changed, some
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  Speaker 1: of the conversation has changed since we are now in
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  Speaker 1: post overturning Roe v Wade, and it's a whole different
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  Speaker 1: conversation for us in general and we will never stop
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  Speaker 1: talking about it until it changes. Just so y'all know.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're tired of that, go ahead and move on,
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  Speaker 1: because we're never gonna that. So here are some interesting statistics, Annie,
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  Speaker 1: and I know you and I will talk a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of back and forth, but according to their beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the research, it says only two intent adults deny
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  Speaker 1: the existence of gender inequality. So that's good. Uh So,
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  Speaker 1: I guess one of the people. But views are split
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  Speaker 1: on the benefits of Feminism. So Hey, we're talking. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: there's an equality, but at the same time, is there
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  Speaker 1: a benefit of feminism to solve inequality? M Right, UM,
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  Speaker 1: concerns about and I think this is really key in
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  Speaker 1: conversation because we've talked about it a lot, just you
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  Speaker 1: and I, but then we've also talked about with bridget
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  Speaker 1: when she talked about the women on the internet or
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  Speaker 1: those who identify as female on the Internet, as well as, uh,
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  Speaker 1: just marginalized communities in whether or not they're safe um
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  Speaker 1: on the Internet. And they put this as part of
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  Speaker 1: their research in just about feminism, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important because it has such an impact on a community
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  Speaker 1: and an area. But they said concerns about online abuse remain,
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  Speaker 1: with nearly one intendment saying it's acceptable to send someone
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  Speaker 1: unrequested explicit images. Um, and I don't quote me on this,
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  Speaker 1: but I remember reading some recently in an article that
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  Speaker 1: they are backtracking on the solicitation or slash of the
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  Speaker 1: Dick pics being sent as being criminal. So that's a
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  Speaker 1: little concerning as we know that it's not very prosecuted
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  Speaker 1: often anyway. But it's they're talking about. It's not a
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  Speaker 1: big deal to get over a type of conversation. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and this is in like the criminal law area. So
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like, Huh, okay, that's not cool. Um.
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  Speaker 1: It does say four in ten adults have experienced online
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  Speaker 1: abuse or seeing sexist content, but one in three believe
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  Speaker 1: women are overreacting. Wow, wow, okay, so these numbers. Don't
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  Speaker 1: they believe that that's happening? Yeah, yeah, but they think Ye,
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  Speaker 1: overreacting to it. Interesting. Um, it says, quote from their side,
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  Speaker 1: men are more likely to question the existence of gender
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  Speaker 1: inequality and the benefits of feminism. So that's not surprising.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of known the US to the point that
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  Speaker 1: we celebrate men who say yes, feminism is good to
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  Speaker 1: the like. There their heroes, like they've done something, which
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  Speaker 1: is what we said. In itself and they go on
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  Speaker 1: to say a majority of adults, both globally and in
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  Speaker 1: the United States, disagree gender inequality doesn't really exist. So okay,
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  Speaker 1: it does. Okay, cool, cool. However, despite the evidence that
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  Speaker 1: gender inequality globally has only only increased since the start
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  Speaker 1: of the pandemic, just under one fifth agree that, both
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  Speaker 1: globally and in the US. So we've talked about this.
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  Speaker 1: We've repeatedly had episodes where we have seen the stark
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  Speaker 1: evidence that the inequality is getting worse due to the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: due to the opportunities when people are being home, are
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  Speaker 1: at home or being quarantined, essentially, and we've seen what
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  Speaker 1: happens when there Um, I guess who they will choose
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to employment, when it comes to benefits,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to emotions in dire situations like the pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: And if you need a refresher, we haven't my name
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  Speaker 1: any on it from a couple of years ago, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: because it was significant and it was noted within a
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  Speaker 1: year how bad it was. Yeah, so, yeah, but that
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  Speaker 1: fact that one fifth believe that it's not a big deal,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like, oh, and it really hasn't happened
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  Speaker 1: that badly. It's kind of like wow, okay, we have one,
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  Speaker 1: like one research paper after another, like the Pew research
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  Speaker 1: came out, and then the was it? The New York
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  Speaker 1: Times came out with their own, and it was so many,
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  Speaker 1: and it seems people still don't want to believe that. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not surprising that men are more likely to be, quote,
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  Speaker 1: skeptical of the benefits of feminism. Um. On average, globally,
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  Speaker 1: one third of MENA grief feminism does more harm than
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  Speaker 1: good and that traditional masculinity is under threat. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this recently, where I
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  Speaker 1: still feel that I have to couch what the show
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  Speaker 1: is about when I'm talking to men, in a way
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel like I have to with women. With
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  Speaker 1: women I'll be like it's about, you know, feminist issues.
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  Speaker 1: With men I'm like, Oh, it's about social issues and women,
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  Speaker 1: or I'll find like a way to write and and
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  Speaker 1: this is mostly people that I don't really care to
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  Speaker 1: have an argument with. Um. So it's just not worth
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  Speaker 1: it to me. Um. But it's still a thing that
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  Speaker 1: I do, and I know you you were saying you've
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  Speaker 1: done it recently, as in fact. So when I was
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  Speaker 1: looking at houses, we had a really, really interesting dude, Um,
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  Speaker 1: who asked what I did because we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we need a space to make a
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  Speaker 1: studio and I was a podcaster. Immediately he was like Oh,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of casts? And I tell him and his
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  Speaker 1: response was Oh, and looked at my partner, who is
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  Speaker 1: a man, and was like did the face to him
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  Speaker 1: to the point that I was like Oh wow, I
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  Speaker 1: said it out. I was like Oh, okay and walked away.
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  Speaker 1: That was his reaction. And then I had gutter guys,
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  Speaker 1: people coming to do gutter stuff, and we were getting
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  Speaker 1: a whole sales pitch and they asked me what I
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  Speaker 1: did and I was like, please don't ask what it
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  Speaker 1: is because our entire conversation pretty much laid out that.
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  Speaker 1: There were middle aged men, obviously very traditional, talking about
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  Speaker 1: the wife, cleaning and all these things that I was
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  Speaker 1: like please don't ask, please don't ask, don't ask what
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  Speaker 1: it's about because it's going to be an argument. But
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  Speaker 1: I did have some really great responses. My movers, who
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  Speaker 1: were all men, came through, asked me what I did,
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  Speaker 1: told them and they got more discrimins like, Oh my God, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I've been wanting to know more about it, because this
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  Speaker 1: abortion stuff is crazy, and I was talking to a
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  Speaker 1: woman about not being able to be protected and I
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  Speaker 1: want to know more, and I was like well, hello, looking.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe that was the one third, like that's the one, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: out of the eight men that I had the interaction,
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  Speaker 1: and so my pestatistics are not very good either. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a pleasant surprise, I will say. And
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  Speaker 1: again it was one of those moments of like I
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  Speaker 1: want to pat you on the back and congratulate you,
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  Speaker 1: but all you're doing is really just listening and learning, right,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to give you like awards for that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: low standards, but I'm still proud. And please keep for
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  Speaker 1: the men who've been listening, because we have several men
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  Speaker 1: who do listen. Thank you so much, don't they? We're
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  Speaker 1: trying to yeah, okay, what you're doing, but understand. This
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  Speaker 1: should be the norm, right, and I do feel like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times there's the two reactions I get
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  Speaker 1: from men who I can tell her in this like
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  Speaker 1: one third I usually get either what you did with
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  Speaker 1: the realtor of like Oh, you must be a real pain. Yeah, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you must be so annoying, or I get kind of
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  Speaker 1: the St Range backhanded, like what this guy said to
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  Speaker 1: me recently, like I feel like we should forget feminism
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  Speaker 1: and live in a world where we don't need feminism,
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  Speaker 1: because that's strowing more attention to the fact right of
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  Speaker 1: this and trying to like make it sound like he's
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  Speaker 1: I'm the one who misled or something, which is an
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  Speaker 1: actual tactic for a lot of supremise, because we see
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  Speaker 1: this in racial uh issues as well. They're like you're
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  Speaker 1: causing this to be an issue, which is what's happening
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  Speaker 1: with any conversation about crt any conversation and talking about
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  Speaker 1: historical accuracy when it comes to the enslaved people's and
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  Speaker 1: why we need to talk about it and why there
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  Speaker 1: still needs to be reparations and a conversation and an
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  Speaker 1: understanding that being equal and equitable is two different things. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's exactly what it is that he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: but if you didn't talk about it throughout draw so
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  Speaker 1: much attention to it, it wouldn't be so bad, which
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  Speaker 1: is that whole level of like okay, feminism means losing masculinity,
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  Speaker 1: and that's kind of this battle that we've seen and
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  Speaker 1: constant and we're going to talk about it. We keep
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  Speaker 1: teasing it and it's such a big episode, such a
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  Speaker 1: big episode, but within religion as well, because it is
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  Speaker 1: based on this Masculine Patriarch that has to protect. So
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  Speaker 1: if feminism commend saying that people are independent or should
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  Speaker 1: be treated equal, then you're diverting attention and or possibly resources,
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  Speaker 1: having forbid from the supreme archetype of what was set up.
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  Speaker 1: So this whole conversation is really interesting that we're back
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  Speaker 1: here again. And don't get me wrong, I didn't look
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  Speaker 1: at the past numbers because I'm sure they pulled out
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  Speaker 1: the negative for us to be aware and again this
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  Speaker 1: is pulling more more men that they do women about
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  Speaker 1: this Um and trying to understand isn't making headway as equality,
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  Speaker 1: or is it making still always still in the muck,
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  Speaker 1: trying to find a footing to have a conversation, just
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  Speaker 1: a mere conversation, of what is a balanced here Um,
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  Speaker 1: and I found that interesting. There's a lot more it says.
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  Speaker 1: It talks a lot more about the online abuse, it
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  Speaker 1: talks a lot more about victim blaming. So it goes
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  Speaker 1: even deeper into that level, and we know that the
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  Speaker 1: me too era has brought in a whole new level
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  Speaker 1: of research. In this conversation about feminism and why feminism
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  Speaker 1: is important and because of this Um, there was an
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  Speaker 1: article interesting a lot that I want to uh revisit, uh,
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  Speaker 1: talking about what it looks like today post the overturning
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  Speaker 1: of Roe v Wade Um, and what feminism looks like
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  Speaker 1: in this abortion landscape or banning of abortion landscape, because
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  Speaker 1: we are having to retract and come back to basic
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  Speaker 1: rights as opposed to finding finally a level playing field.
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  Speaker 1: There's also been some conversation about the political movement a
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  Speaker 1: lot because, you know, Biden just came out hitting hard
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  Speaker 1: for the first time in ever since this, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: campaigning against extreme right wing UH politics as well. As
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: we're talking about C R T. obviously we're talking about abortion.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many really extremist ideas that's coming up that
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  Speaker 1: all are none type of conversation, and I found it
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  Speaker 1: interesting because people are starting to flip a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and I say people, here's what I mean, and I
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  Speaker 1: told you. I was like, I'm so interested in this.
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  Speaker 1: I was recently. I hate the news, I despise it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to read it. There's a big conversation
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  Speaker 1: about how some of the big popular, even left wing,
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  Speaker 1: uh media is turning towards the right wing because it
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  Speaker 1: gets more play, which is a whole different conversation in itself.
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  Speaker 1: But I was watching it and they actually had on
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  Speaker 1: people who are pretty conservative people talking about the upcoming
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  Speaker 1: elections and that the one of the big key issues
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  Speaker 1: that they want addressed is abortion, which is not surprising
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  Speaker 1: for the left leftist in that level of like where
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  Speaker 1: do you stand? But that that the Conservatives think that
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  Speaker 1: this band is too harsh and that it is too
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming and that if the candidate that they were previously
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  Speaker 1: supporting or that is in their party are too hard
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  Speaker 1: into the band, they probably will not vote for them.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw like this interview and they interviewed a
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  Speaker 1: pretty big group of people in Michigan, which is a
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  Speaker 1: pretty big battleground right now, and so many of the
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  Speaker 1: so many of the people that the interview were like
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  Speaker 1: that's the number one thing and to the point, they're like,
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  Speaker 1: I've never thought about this issue as much as I
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  Speaker 1: have now and now, knowing what we're trying to do,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's too much and I will not vote
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  Speaker 1: for this person. I even saw one of the candidates
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  Speaker 1: who were, I'll just say, very trump extremist um playing
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  Speaker 1: into that type of rhetoric, would not answer any questions
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  Speaker 1: about abortion because they felt it was too divisive for
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  Speaker 1: them to speak on and that they would lose votes,
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  Speaker 1: which is extremely different to what was happening. Maybe I'm
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  Speaker 1: just haven't paid it much as much attention, because we
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  Speaker 1: oh statistically that people support abortion as well as the
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  Speaker 1: rights to abortion and reproductive care, and I actually like
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  Speaker 1: over sixty percent of not even in the state of Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: support it. So I just had not actually heard it
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  Speaker 1: coming out of conservative people's mouths until recently and I
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  Speaker 1: find that interesting and I wonder how that's going to
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  Speaker 1: play out. Yeah, when you said that, I was also
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  Speaker 1: very intrigued because we had that episode of bridget after
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  Speaker 1: a reviewade where she talked about you know, there's been
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  Speaker 1: so much misinformation and disinformation not only about what abortion
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  Speaker 1: is but about who supports it and how many people
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  Speaker 1: support it. Um and I said, like I grew up
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  Speaker 1: thinking I was the outlier for supporting abortion and that's
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  Speaker 1: not the case at all. But that's how effective they've
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  Speaker 1: been in turning this into such a big flashpoint. But
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  Speaker 1: it's a flashpoint for like a small set of very
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  Speaker 1: passionate people who were against abortion and now that we've
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  Speaker 1: reached this point, like I feel like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: conservative people, as you said, like maybe didn't it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: their number one issue, didn't really think about it, heard
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  Speaker 1: talking points and I was like, okay, I'm not super
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  Speaker 1: for abortion, but it's not my issue. And now that
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  Speaker 1: it's become this thing with through a view, aid being overturned,
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  Speaker 1: they're having to think about it and confront it in
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  Speaker 1: a way that before they were happy to just kind
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  Speaker 1: of like push it off to the side, like that's
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  Speaker 1: not that's not my issue, that's fine. But with all
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  Speaker 1: of this. So it is interesting to see, to hear
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  Speaker 1: Um people that I would have previously never imagined saying
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  Speaker 1: something like that. Right, that's a lot of conversations that
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  Speaker 1: we have to have. What this looks like politically, what
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  Speaker 1: this looks like. Unfortunately, I hate that we just have
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  Speaker 1: this binary system thus far, but we had to have
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: to have the conversation, which we actually conn have this
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: conversation about the system of voting, about Alaska's recent election,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: which is pretty fascinating in itself. Um, and the fact
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: that they have their first indigenous person in their office,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: which is phenomenal. I'm not really sure her stances. I
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: believe she's pretty moderate from what I understand. We also
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  Speaker 1: have this whole conversation of what it looks like. Is
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: our time frame in feminism and our activism gonna look
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  Speaker 1: similar to pre Roe v Wade? Is that what we
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  Speaker 1: where we are? Um? In this conversation, the writer Lauren
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  Speaker 1: Jackson specifically talks about some of the questions that are
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  Speaker 1: out there, um, and what we need to do and
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  Speaker 1: what we can do, and then just all so talking
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  Speaker 1: about how time has changed since then. Um, and our
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: tactics have to change, and there's a lot of divide
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  Speaker 1: and splits. I mean when we have comminism, turfs has
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  Speaker 1: always been around, but they're not more Um, adamant, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, and more vocal as of late, and it's
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  Speaker 1: become different. There so many splintering of what feminism is,
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  Speaker 1: which is not surprising. People have different perspectives. It was
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  Speaker 1: on a spectrum on this level, but to deny one
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  Speaker 1: group of people based on your prejudice is denying all
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  Speaker 1: of Ye. So I found that interesting. Again, how do
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  Speaker 1: we fight it? Do it to politically? Do we do it? How?
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  Speaker 1: I just watched the tiktok of an O B G
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  Speaker 1: Y N and abortion provider who talked about a case
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  Speaker 1: that's happening in Alabama. I did not know this. I
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  Speaker 1: believe it's Alabamam so sorry, I'm it's wrong where they
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  Speaker 1: are now jailing women who are pregnant with possible drug
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  Speaker 1: issues to help them, quote unquote, save the baby, Um,
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  Speaker 1: but not providing them care. So this is like, this
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  Speaker 1: is the extremes that we were always scared of. We
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  Speaker 1: were going to come back and kind of revisit some
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  Speaker 1: of the results. I don't want to because it's so awful,
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  Speaker 1: but it's the truth. Um, I just saw testimony from
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  Speaker 1: a South Carolina representative begging them to really remember, as
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  Speaker 1: she was a Republican, that you are not medical professionals
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  Speaker 1: and you should not have a say. And I was
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  Speaker 1: pretty surprising because South Carolina Lindsey Graham's hometown. Um, is
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  Speaker 1: a whole different conversation. But I've seen several people coming
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  Speaker 1: back like we did not realize the damage this is
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  Speaker 1: gonna Cause when we thought we wanted it. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: this is sort of almost like the men who are like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm feminist and we've pad them on the back. It's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: sort of like right conservatives who, you've been fine with
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  Speaker 1: all of this until it might actually impact you. But
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  Speaker 1: also I think it's a really negative outcome of our
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: politics now, in the modern time, where people just say
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  Speaker 1: stuff to rile people up and then when that thing
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  Speaker 1: that they said actually goes into law or whatever, then
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  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we have a plan, we didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what this cause and here we are like all we
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  Speaker 1: knew was one moral stance and what did it no
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: matter what. Yeah, where it's just about like, I need
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to get people to vote for me, then you do
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  Speaker 1: the thing. It just feels so craven. It's just about
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: getting elected again and nothing about actually serving people. And Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then again. I know we came back down to
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  Speaker 1: talking about abortion, but it is this conversation of what
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  Speaker 1: we see and understand. This links to why we say
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: feminism and equality is needed. And yes, things have changed
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and we've gotten a few UH scraps from the table,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and I say we as in the margin Lance Community Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And people really think that should be enough and not
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  Speaker 1: remembering again, this is not equity, this is not what
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  Speaker 1: should be happening and this is what has been being
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  Speaker 1: fought for just because, kind of like how we're saying
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  Speaker 1: we're giving accolades and accommodations to those who do in
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the minimal because they're a little outside of the norm.
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  Speaker 1: We shouldn't be Um and the fact of the matter
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  Speaker 1: that we still have one in three men saying that
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  Speaker 1: feminism is not helping. That's a conversation in itself. With
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  Speaker 1: the fact that one in three men think, one in
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: three people think that women are overreacting. Were being harassed
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  Speaker 1: and uh, like bullied and sexually assaulted or harassed on
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: online that's a problem. Oh absolutely. I mean it's still
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  Speaker 1: it's still kind of shocking to me how many people
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  Speaker 1: when I'll just kind of in past and be like
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  Speaker 1: how many men specifically, Um, let's cross the street over
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  Speaker 1: this way because if we walked this way, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: get CACOLIC, they're like what? I'm like, yeah, you get it,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: this is just my everyday life and you don't to
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  Speaker 1: think about it. And so always about, you know, bringing
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: people in. But I think we need to be clear
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  Speaker 1: about the standards are upholding. People to WHO's getting the
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  Speaker 1: accolades and attention and who should. But also, and we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this time and time again and we should
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: come back and revisit it, I think the word feminism
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: has just been they had such a smear campaign against
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  Speaker 1: it and it is still viewed as like which is
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  Speaker 1: funny now because now I'm like, let's just embrace it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like angry women who want to ruin everything
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  Speaker 1: that you love. I do. I want to ruin everything.
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  Speaker 1: You should put that on a business card. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Now there's a lot we should come back and revisit
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: with this one, for sure, for sure, for sure, and
• 22:50
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