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- Lucas: You get a FAANG offer. The base salary looks good, say one eighty, but then you see the stock grant — four hundred thousand dollars in RSUs over four years. That's where the real money lives, and most engineers leave it on the table. Luna: Because they don't know how to negotiate equity. Or they're scared to try. Lucas: Exactly. Base salary bands at FAANG are actually pretty rigid. At Meta, for a senior engineer, the band might be one eighty to two twenty. You can push to the top of that, but you're not going to get two fifty. The equity, though — that's where there's real flexibility. I've seen offers where the stock component was increased by forty percent after negotiation. Luna: Forty percent on four hundred thousand is an extra one sixty. That's life-changing money. Lucas: It is. But to get it, you need to understand how RSUs — restricted stock units — actually work. They vest over time. Typically a four-year schedule with a one-year cliff. That means after your first year, you get twenty-five percent of the grant. Then monthly or quarterly after that. Luna: And the cliff is the part that catches people. If you leave before one year, you get zero stock. Not a single share. Lucas: Right. So the first thing to negotiate is the total grant size. Recruiters often have a range. For a senior engineer at Google in 2025, the initial RSU offer might be three hundred thousand to five hundred thousand. If you come in with a competing offer or a strong case, you can push toward the high end. But you need data. Luna: Where do you get that data? Levels.fyi? Blind? Lucas: Levels.fyi is the gold standard for compensation data. Blind can be useful for anecdotal data points. But the most powerful tool is a competing offer. If you have a written offer from another FAANG company, or even a well-funded unicorn, the recruiter can almost always match or beat it on equity. They have a budget for 'compete' situations. The key is to frame it collaboratively: 'I really want to join, but the total comp is a bit below what I'm seeing elsewhere. Can you look at the stock grant?' Luna: And that phrase — 'total comp' — is important. Because they'll try to anchor you on base salary. Lucas: Yeah. Recruiters are trained to discuss the whole package. But engineers sometimes get fixated on the base number. Base salary is safe, predictable, it pays rent. But over four years, that RSU grant can appreciate. If you join Apple in 2022 with a two-hundred-thousand-dollar RSU grant, and the stock doubles, you're actually getting four hundred thousand in value. That's not hypothetical — Apple's stock more than doubled between 2022 and 2025. Luna: So the equity negotiation is partly about the grant size, but also about timing. Some companies let you front-load the grant. Lucas: Front-loading is a big lever. Standard grants vest evenly — twenty-five percent each year. But if you ask, some companies will do a 40-30-20-10 schedule. That gives you more stock early, which is useful if you have student loans or a mortgage. It also reduces your risk if you leave after two years. I've seen Amazon do this for senior hires, and Netflix occasionally, though Netflix is all cash. Luna: Netflix is the outlier. They pay top of market cash, no RSUs. You get to choose how much of your comp is in stock options, but that's a different conversation. Lucas: Right. So for most FAANGs, the classic levers are: base salary, signing bonus, annual performance bonus, and RSU grant. The RSU grant is the biggest variable. But there's also refreshers. Luna: Refreshers are additional equity grants given annually, usually tied to performance reviews. They're not guaranteed, but at companies like Google and Meta, strong performers get significant refreshers — sometimes another hundred thousand per year. Lucas: That's a key point for negotiation. When you're evaluating an offer, you should ask: 'What does the typical refresher look like for someone at my level?' If they say it's not discussed, that's a red flag. At Microsoft, refreshers are smaller than at Meta. At Apple, they're highly variable. Knowing that helps you compare offers across companies. Luna: So let's say you have an offer from Meta for two hundred thousand base, four hundred thousand in RSUs over four years, and a fifty thousand signing bonus. How do you actually negotiate that? Lucas: Step one: thank the recruiter and express enthusiasm. Step two: ask for a week to think about it. Step three: gather data. If you have a competing offer, use it. If not, use Levels.fyi to find the 75th percentile for your role and location. Then call the recruiter and say: 'I love the team and the mission. Based on my research, the total compensation for this role at Meta is around one point three million over four years. My offer is one point zero five million. Can you help me close that gap?' Luna: And they'll often come back with a higher RSU grant or a bigger signing bonus. The signing bonus is actually the easiest lever because it's a one-time cost. Lucas: Exactly. Signing bonuses are paid from a different budget. I've seen engineers get their signing bonus doubled from fifty to a hundred thousand just by asking. The key is to ask for a specific number. 'Can you increase the signing bonus to seventy-five thousand?' That's a concrete request. 'Can you make the offer more competitive?' is vague. Luna: And what about the annual bonus? At FAANG, it's typically ten to twenty percent of base salary, paid in cash. Lucas: That's less negotiable. The target percentage is set by level. But you can ask about the historical payout range. At Google, the target is fifteen percent, but high performers can get up to twenty-five percent. That's useful to know when comparing offers. Luna: One thing that trips people up is the difference between options and RSUs. Startups offer options; FAANGs offer RSUs. Options give you the right to buy stock at a fixed price. RSUs are just free shares once they vest. Lucas: Right. With RSUs, you don't need to come up with cash to exercise. They're simpler. But they're also taxed as ordinary income when they vest. So if you get a hundred thousand dollars in RSUs in a year, that's added to your W-2. You need to plan for that tax hit. Luna: Some companies offer a 'sell to cover' option where they automatically sell shares to pay taxes. That's standard at Meta and Google. Lucas: Good point. Now, there's one more negotiation lever that's underused: the start date. If you can start near the beginning of a quarter, you might get an extra refresher cycle sooner. But that's very company-specific. Luna: I've also heard of engineers negotiating for a 'retention bonus' — a one-time cash payment if you stay for two years. That's rare but possible at senior levels. Lucas: It's worth asking. The worst they can say is no. And if you're a strong candidate, they want to close you. The whole negotiation is about information asymmetry. The recruiter knows the budget, you don't. Your job is to signal that you have options and that you're worth investing in. Luna: So final takeaway: do your homework, get a competing offer if possible, ask for specific numbers on RSUs and signing bonus, and don't forget to ask about refreshers. That's the path to maximizing your FAANG comp. Lucas: And remember: the offer isn't the final word. Even after you sign, you can renegotiate at your first performance review. But that's a topic for another episode.