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Love, Murder and Scams w/ Jennifer Williams · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: They threw the bottle one that had brandy, and then
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Speaker 1: one of the girls, I'm not sure which one it was,
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Speaker 1: they took a wine glass, broke the wine glass and
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Speaker 1: made a shank.
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Speaker 2: They tune.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into my conversation with Jennifer Williams right after
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Speaker 3: these quick ads. Welcome to Reality with the King. It's
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Speaker 3: me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one
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Speaker 3: of the most sought after executive producers in reality television
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Speaker 3: with over ten years a production experience. Twice a week
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Speaker 3: on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my
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Speaker 3: friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows,
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Speaker 3: and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and
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Speaker 3: tweeting about. Hey, rain drops. Today's guests on Reality with
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Speaker 3: the King, it's my good girlfriend Jennifer Dee Williams. Yes,
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Speaker 3: from Basketball Wise. I love this conversation that I had
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Speaker 3: with Jennifer. We talked about her position being an OG
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Speaker 3: on Basketball Wise for oh my gosh, more than ten seasons.
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Speaker 3: In addition to that, we talk about the status.
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Speaker 2: Of her friendship with Evelyn.
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Speaker 3: We also get into her thoughts about Shannie O'Neill being
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Speaker 3: the EP of the show but also a cast member,
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Speaker 3: and if that calls any friction between the cast. Lastly,
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Speaker 3: we also get into Jennifer's love life.
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Speaker 2: Remember how she dated former.
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Speaker 3: Sweetie Pies reality star Tim Norman, who's now in prison
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Speaker 3: for allegedly higher people to kill his nephew.
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Speaker 2: I know, guys, very dark. Okay.
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Speaker 3: She gets into a story about the signs she saw
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Speaker 3: when they were dating, and baby, it left my jaw
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Speaker 3: dropping on the floor. Without further ado getting to my
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Speaker 3: conversation with Jennifer Williams.
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Speaker 1: So, when I.
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Speaker 2: Met Jennifer D.
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Speaker 3: Williams at the BT Awards, guys, I was like fangirling
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Speaker 3: inside because at the end of the day, I don't
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Speaker 3: care how big I get in this genre. I will
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Speaker 3: always be a fan and of viewer. And I was
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Speaker 3: screaming inside when I first met you, Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's so sweet. I listen. I remember that day
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Speaker 1: like it was yesterday, and I was a fan of yours.
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Speaker 1: I mean, your big deal.
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Speaker 2: Thank you baby, thank you.
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Speaker 3: So Now, so we became close friends and we're still
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Speaker 3: friends to this day. So let's talk about you and
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Speaker 3: what you're going through now. So, currently Basketball Wives is
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Speaker 3: on hiatus. The season finale aired recently, and we saw
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Speaker 3: this new transformation into this season where Shani was gone,
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Speaker 3: Tamy was gone, Evanlyn was gone, and then you were
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Speaker 3: the last standing OG from the first season of Basketball Wives.
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Speaker 2: Did you put the pressure as an OG to keep
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Speaker 2: it moving?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely? I think when you are OG and listen, I
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Speaker 1: started the Basketball Wives franchise, and so I was the
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Speaker 1: last og. You know, Jackie and Malaysia they started the
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Speaker 1: LA franchise, but you know, Miami came first. I honestly
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Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect because you're coming into this season,
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Speaker 1: Like you said, I am used to having certain people there. Now.
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Speaker 1: Granted we've had people leave and they've brought like other
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Speaker 1: people in, but these girls had been on the show,
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Speaker 1: and they had been on the LA show, which I
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Speaker 1: was not a part of. So I didn't know any
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Speaker 1: of the girls, and I didn't know really their storylines
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Speaker 1: and their past and what they could bring to the table.
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Speaker 1: But I knew it was going to be everybody's gonna
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Speaker 1: be looking like, Okay, what's this about? And it takes
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Speaker 1: time for the audience to get used to seeing faces
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Speaker 1: that they're not familiar with. So of course I felt
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Speaker 1: like Okay, we got to make this good because one
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Speaker 1: it's season ten. People are going to be talking because
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Speaker 1: everybody left. So I definitely felt a certain amount of pressure.
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Speaker 1: And my thing is, I'm very whatever I'm going through
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Speaker 1: in real life, that's what you're going to see. Like
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Speaker 1: I don't play some character. I'm pretty much the same way,
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Speaker 1: and I think you can attest to this. I'm the
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Speaker 1: same person on an off the screen, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: really dramatic. I'm not going to be like the loudest
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Speaker 1: person in the room. But you know, when you have
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Speaker 1: three ogs, they're looking at you like, okay, what have
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Speaker 1: we bringing to disable here? So I definitely felt that pressure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah no.
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Speaker 3: And it's interesting because on this podcast I would recap
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Speaker 3: Basketball Wives and I'm a huge fan of the franchise,
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Speaker 3: and I even said this season that something's missing. I
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Speaker 3: know Jen on a personal level. Jen understands the assignment.
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Speaker 3: Jen isn't the most dramatic person in the room.
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Speaker 2: She's not like this big lead. Jen knows her position
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Speaker 2: when it comes to a no ensemble cast. If you
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Speaker 2: pass her the ball.
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Speaker 3: She's gonna Scottie Pippin that motherfucker and know how to
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Speaker 3: keep it moving, but she needs somebody on her left
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Speaker 3: on her right who's able to move things forward. I
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Speaker 3: think the beginning of this season was weird and I
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Speaker 3: wasn't that interested in it because I'm like, something's missing,
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Speaker 3: So You're right in terms of people have to get
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Speaker 3: their group going, and then towards the military end, I'm like, oh, bitch,
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Speaker 3: now I was getting good. Did you also feel the
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Speaker 3: missing element of a Shawnee Tammian Evelyn?
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Speaker 1: Honestly, I didn't feel that because I did feel that
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Speaker 1: the girls that we have now they have great personal stories,
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Speaker 1: and I myself was interested in their stories. So I
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Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, I don't know what the viewers are
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Speaker 1: going to think, because one, you know, like I said,
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Speaker 1: you have to get used to people, and I don't
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Speaker 1: think like in the beginning when you kind of throw
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Speaker 1: people in your face, you're like, wait, who is this?
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Speaker 1: So I think it took a minute for the audience
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Speaker 1: to just kind of warm up to the people that
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Speaker 1: they weren't familiar seeing. But I will say I felt
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Speaker 1: like the girls they were they knew what they had
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Speaker 1: to do. Because my thing is this, I'm like, look,
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Speaker 1: I've been on this show for a really long time,
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Speaker 1: and I don't want them have to do all the
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Speaker 1: hard work.
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Speaker 3: Yeah no, I think they did eventually. But me being real,
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Speaker 3: the thing about Basketball Wives is the friendships. I'm missing
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Speaker 3: you and Evelyn together, even when you guys had that
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Speaker 3: rough patch in your friendship. I stopped watching after that
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Speaker 3: incident jin where Evelyn came across the table and I
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Speaker 3: stopped watching.
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Speaker 2: I felt like we liked the show because of the
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Speaker 2: camaraderie with the friendships.
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Speaker 3: But we did get a chance to see you two reconcile,
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Speaker 3: and I was happy to see that.
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Speaker 2: What is your relationship now like with Evelyn?
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Speaker 1: So what people didn't see is I guess it was
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Speaker 1: season nine when we did the mansion shoots, which was
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Speaker 1: who a nightmare. I didn't really I saw her one
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Speaker 1: time when we were filming because she was in a
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Speaker 1: different house, And so when that whole thing was over,
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Speaker 1: she actually called me and we had a conversation. We
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Speaker 1: talked and she was like, listen, like let's just move forward,
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Speaker 1: and you know, like we're not getting any younger. So
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Speaker 1: we actually are in a great place. You know, we're
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Speaker 1: not best friends. We don't talk every day, but we
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Speaker 1: definitely we check in and it's it's good. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm always going to love her, and you know, I
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Speaker 1: do think the fans probably do miss her. And I
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Speaker 1: know it was always like this, Jennifer Evelyn a dynamic,
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Speaker 1: which is it? But it was real, you know, like
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Speaker 1: we weren't cast to be on the show. We were
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Speaker 1: actually real friends before Basketball Wives was even thought of.
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Speaker 1: So I mean that right there is kind of priceless.
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Speaker 1: And when you see that on TV, you can't you
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Speaker 1: can't make it up. It's not a forced friendship. It's something.
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Speaker 1: You know, the girl was in my wedding when I
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Speaker 1: started dating my ex husband, you know, that's when we
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Speaker 1: became friends. So I think that is priceless because some
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Speaker 1: relationships on TV you feel like it's a little forced
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Speaker 1: because you have to be around these girls. But that
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Speaker 1: was something that was very real and everything that happened
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Speaker 1: that you guys saw it was real life.
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Speaker 3: When you look back on that moment, is it hard
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Speaker 3: for you to watch that scene where she ran across
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Speaker 3: the table, Talk to us about what you were feeling
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Speaker 3: during that moment as you look at this woman who
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Speaker 3: was in your wedding trying to physically attack you, not once,
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Speaker 3: but twice.
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Speaker 1: That moment was just so crazy, because my first instinct
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Speaker 1: is never to fight somebody. So you know, when the
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Speaker 1: girl was coming around the table, I think it was
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Speaker 1: Tammy or somebody, and she was like, j don't for get up,
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Speaker 1: get up, and I was kind of like so confused
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Speaker 1: as to what was even happening because I'm not really
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Speaker 1: a fighter in real life, so you know, I had
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Speaker 1: this situation with her where I got slapped, and then
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Speaker 1: I don't even know how Evelyn even got involved because
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Speaker 1: everything was happening so fast, and you know, when she
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Speaker 1: got up, I think she threw some flowers. At first,
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Speaker 1: I can't remember that got thrown. And then it was
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Speaker 1: like the run across, and I was kind of just
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Speaker 1: in a twilight zone, like what the hell is happening?
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Speaker 1: And I can't even believe that our friendship had got
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Speaker 1: to that point where you know, she would want to
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Speaker 1: physically harm me, because I'm like, this is somebody you know,
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Speaker 1: I loved, and I understand people you know fall out
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Speaker 1: and have disagreements, but for me, when I'm friends with someone,
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Speaker 1: I don't put my hands on them or try and
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Speaker 1: cause them physical harm. I just I have that kind
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Speaker 1: of discipline and It's something that I would never want
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Speaker 1: to do. So it was hard. I mean, I haven't
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Speaker 1: obviously seen that scene in a really long time, and
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Speaker 1: you know, thinking about it, I never really knew what
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Speaker 1: I thought in that moment because I was so confused
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Speaker 1: as to what was happening, and it was happening all
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Speaker 1: so fast.
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Speaker 3: Did you ever have a conversation with the producers and
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Speaker 3: the network after that moment about your safety and whether
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Speaker 3: or not you wanted to continue filming on that show?
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Speaker 1: Well, first I called my attorney because you know, I
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Speaker 1: stay lawyered up, and he was like, I make a
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Speaker 1: police report and so so here's the thing when some
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Speaker 1: shit like that goes out, I really I have my
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Speaker 1: attorneys deal with it because I'm like, look, it's out
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Speaker 1: of my lead. And so I know my attorneys got involved.
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Speaker 1: And it was the whole thing of like, Okay, is
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Speaker 1: she going to go to Tahiti? And I was like listen,
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Speaker 1: like if that girl is going to be there, Naya,
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not going. And so I think
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Speaker 1: it was like last minute I was on the plane
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Speaker 1: with Kenya and I found out she was actually in Tahiti,
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Speaker 1: and so it was like a whole thing with my lawyers.
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Speaker 1: They had to put me at a whole separate hotel.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember all the specifics. You know, when you're
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Speaker 1: talking about my physical safety, that's a huge deal. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm at work and I shouldn't have to
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Speaker 1: feel threatened or be looking over my shoulder because I'm
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Speaker 1: coming to do my job.
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Speaker 2: And what was crazy.
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Speaker 3: About that whole situation to me was the fact that
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Speaker 3: that's just not who you are. And I always felt
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Speaker 3: that you were somebody that they picked on because you're
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Speaker 3: not a fighter. Listen, people can say they one about you, Oh,
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Speaker 3: Jen's messy, gensdad whatever. That's all debatable, but it's more
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Speaker 3: so about why pick on somebody who you know that's
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Speaker 3: not their personality. And I think that's why a lot
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Speaker 3: of people are turned on Evelyn and turned on Malaysia.
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Speaker 3: It's one thing to like read somebody and attack them
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Speaker 3: with your words, right, even when I'm a Laja picked
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Speaker 3: up a table.
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Speaker 2: You got an Amsterdam right.
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Speaker 1: Yes, we're in Amsterdam. I was there for literally twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours. I was like I'm out of here, Like,
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Speaker 1: come on, bitches, you throwing whole tables? Like who does that?
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, that's why I had
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Speaker 1: said in my interview, you areligned back the laquisha who
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Speaker 1: does that?
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Speaker 2: Like what?
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Speaker 1: In that moment, I literally I had zero fear and
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Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, how am I gonna throw
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Speaker 1: this big bitch over the bridge? That was literally what
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Speaker 1: was in my mind. If you look at it, I
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Speaker 1: literally don't move. But what happened was a security guard
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Speaker 1: was there and he had his arm up and his
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Speaker 1: arm got all bloody. I believe he has a good stitches.
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Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, but yes, And I was just
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Speaker 1: sands in here, like, okay, well, you're gonna have to
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Speaker 1: fight this big bitch.
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Speaker 3: The reason why I'm like quiet and low key gagging
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Speaker 3: and laughing simultaneously is because I do remember that moment
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Speaker 3: you were wearing Fendy, Because girl, you're always dripped up
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Speaker 3: in the bashist style. You were wearing Fendy, and I
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Speaker 3: do remember that moment you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: You know, Okay, So for me, I was just like, wow,
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Speaker 1: that's really crazy. And so the other thing that really
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Speaker 1: blew me was there was one producer that I was
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Speaker 1: cool with, right and he was the only one that
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Speaker 1: came to my room because I was sitting at a
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Speaker 1: whole separate hotel from the other girls, and checked on me.
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Speaker 1: None of the producers called me, the network didn't call me.
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Speaker 1: Nobody asked how I was doing. I was like floored that,
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Speaker 1: like something of that magnitude, like why wouldn't you reach out?
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Speaker 3: What's crazy is that's not the first time I heard
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Speaker 3: that in terms of a big moment happening and nobody
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Speaker 3: reaching out.
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Speaker 1: Now I have to say we have switched production companies,
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Speaker 1: and you know, Truly Entertainment is the production company, and
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Speaker 1: it is a completely different feel. I can you know,
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Speaker 1: I love Lauren. I can pick up the phone, I
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Speaker 1: can call the executives in the office, I can text them.
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Speaker 1: They check on me. So it is, it's it's very different.
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Speaker 1: And so the executives at SHED, I didn't really know
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Speaker 1: who they were. They would come in, you know, during
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Speaker 1: a reunion and you would kind of like see them,
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Speaker 1: but I never had a personal relationship with any of them.
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's so interesting. So let me break this down
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Speaker 3: for my listeners. So every show you guys are watching,
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Speaker 3: a production company is producing it for the network. So,
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Speaker 3: for example, my company is called Kingdom Ran Entertainment. I
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Speaker 3: produce shows for own BT, et cetera. Right, But I,
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Speaker 3: as you guys know who follow me, I interact.
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Speaker 2: With my cast. My cast, they know me, I know them.
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Speaker 2: We talk.
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Speaker 3: Shed Media is a production company that used to produce
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Speaker 3: Basketball Wives. So oftentimes production companies are people who you
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Speaker 3: have connections with. And Truly Original is a production company
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Speaker 3: who's currently producing Basketball Wives, and they do Atlanta Housewives,
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Speaker 3: Potomac Dubai and Lauren Eskalin, who is one of my
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Speaker 3: loves and she's super amazing. She is one of the
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Speaker 3: executives at Truly and that's what I'm used to because
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Speaker 3: when I started Atlanta Housewives, Lauren Escalin was there and
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Speaker 3: I learned from her in terms of how you got
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Speaker 3: to have a relationship with your cast in order to
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Speaker 3: pro theent for comfortables.
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Speaker 2: Do you miss having Tammy on the show?
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Speaker 1: I actually do miss having Tammy on the show. She Tammy,
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Speaker 1: She's a lot. I mean, I guess to a certain extent,
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Speaker 1: I miss something about everybody that has been on the show.
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Speaker 1: But I have to say, you know, Tammy and I
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Speaker 1: we're not like in the best place, but I'm happy
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Speaker 1: for her and her show that she has, so you know,
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Speaker 1: I wish her continued success.
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Speaker 3: So Shawnee has opted not to film this season. Obviously
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Speaker 3: she is now married to a pastor. Were you invited
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Speaker 3: to the wedding?
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Speaker 1: No, I was not.
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Speaker 2: Shocker.
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Speaker 1: I don't have an issue with her, but we don't.
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Speaker 1: We will text talk if something is going on, and
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Speaker 1: we did say you know, we would catch up at
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Speaker 1: some point. We don't talk like that, so you know,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting to go to her wedding, and even
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Speaker 1: if she did invite me, it was like Memorial Day weekend.
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Speaker 1: I have plans. It's true.
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Speaker 2: We dont bitch your jet center.
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Speaker 3: So one of the critiques that people had about Shawnee
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Speaker 3: was the fact that y'all had an.
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Speaker 2: Executive producer who was also a.
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Speaker 3: Cast member of the show, and Tammy even said things
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Speaker 3: that sometimes Shane allegedly would show her scenes to get
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Speaker 3: her hyped up to go into a scene on one hundred.
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Speaker 3: As you were filming the earlier seasons and even this
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Speaker 3: most recent season, did you feel that it was hard
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Speaker 3: for you women to be fair knowing that across the
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Speaker 3: tapa from y'all is an EP who doesn't mind saying
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Speaker 3: thank you for your services for sure.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you have an executive producer who was also
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Speaker 1: a cast member that just it's such a rare thing.
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Speaker 1: It really doesn't happen. And so you have somebody that's
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Speaker 1: like on production calls and talking to the network and
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Speaker 1: that can sway stories and so, you know, and has
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Speaker 1: editing control to thank you for your services. Was that
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Speaker 1: was la? So that was kind of like after, you know,
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Speaker 1: Miami had taken off. But you know, you never want
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Speaker 1: to be in that position one because it's just embarrassing
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Speaker 1: for somebody to say that to you on TV now. Granted,
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Speaker 1: Brandy did come back that next season, but it's still
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Speaker 1: a very intimidating position to be in.
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Speaker 3: Now, you were on a show I created called The
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Speaker 3: Next Fifteen that was on TV Line with Tiffany Pollard,
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Speaker 3: Carramo Bazino, Laura Gavon, and Claudia Jordan. You and Laura
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Speaker 3: Gavon had such a great report and it was so
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Speaker 3: fun for you guys to be around each other.
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Speaker 2: Because I love Clark from Basketball Wives.
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Speaker 3: I think Laura is super fun, She's amazing, and she's
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Speaker 3: equally a fashionista like you are, my love. Why haven't
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Speaker 3: we seen Laura on Basketball Wives.
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Speaker 1: Oh boy, So I'm not really sure. I know there
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Speaker 1: was talks about her coming back several seasons. Then the
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Speaker 1: talks would just go away, and so, you know, Laura
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Speaker 1: would call me like, hey, are you guys filming and
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Speaker 1: I would be like, yeah, we're about to start. So
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Speaker 1: I don't know. At one point I heard she was
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Speaker 1: signing a contract and she was coming to film, and
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Speaker 1: then I didn't hear about it anymore. So I know
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Speaker 1: that I think Laura and Shawnee have a situation. I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure if they're cool now or if that has
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Speaker 1: anything to do with it. I really don't know, to
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Speaker 1: be honest with you.
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Speaker 3: Is the situation Laura and Shawnee have is the fact
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Speaker 3: that Laura allegedly slept with shaq Ooh.
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Speaker 1: Now, you know there's a lot of those allegations running around.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, that's what the streets say.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I mean, but listen, at this point,
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Speaker 1: Shawnnie is married to somebody else, So I don't really
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Speaker 1: think she should hold on to that because listen, he
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Speaker 1: probably slept with a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I hate to interrupt, but stay tuned for more of
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Speaker 3: my conversation with Jennifer.
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break.
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Speaker 3: This is Riality People the King and I'm Carlos King.
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Speaker 3: Let's get back into my cap with Jennifer Williams. I
21:29
Speaker 3: want to give you my recap of this season a
21:31
Speaker 3: basketball wife. So okay please yes. So, like I said,
21:35
Speaker 3: I thought it started off slow. I'm like, where are
21:38
Speaker 3: we going to get the good stuff? And then in
21:40
Speaker 3: the middle of the season, I'm like, Okay, it's getting good.
21:44
Speaker 2: Obviously.
21:45
Speaker 3: Jackie Christy is also an OG on the LA edition
21:50
Speaker 3: of the show, but now they merge Miami in LA
21:53
Speaker 3: and made it one. I have a crush on Brooke Bailey.
21:58
Speaker 2: I think she's so pretty.
22:01
Speaker 3: I just I have a crush on Brook I just
22:03
Speaker 3: want to like eat her up, No pun intended. I
22:06
Speaker 3: just I just think she's so beautiful and I like
22:10
Speaker 3: the fact that we're seeing more of her. And I
22:13
Speaker 3: was into the Malaysia and Brandy reconciliation of their friendship,
22:18
Speaker 3: but then I felt like they spent too much time
22:20
Speaker 3: on it, and I'm like, girl, move on. So I
22:23
Speaker 3: do think based on where this season has ended, it
22:26
Speaker 3: was nice to see the camaraderie back because at the
22:29
Speaker 3: end of the day.
22:31
Speaker 2: Yes, the fans like.
22:32
Speaker 3: Drama, but they only like drama when it comes from
22:35
Speaker 3: a real place of real friendships. And I do think
22:38
Speaker 3: the show is going to get back to that when
22:41
Speaker 3: it comes to Nia and her sister Nori or something Norya. Yes,
22:48
Speaker 3: are we gonna see them again? Or were they kindly
22:51
Speaker 3: shown the door? After they threw some stuff at Brandy.
22:57
Speaker 1: Vegas was crazy? Let me just say that again. You know,
23:01
Speaker 1: when these moments happened, it's so quick, right, so if
23:06
Speaker 1: you miss one thing, you're like, what the hell? So
23:08
Speaker 1: that was kind of how I felt they got into
23:12
Speaker 1: the thing with Brandy and Brooke. I don't know who
23:15
Speaker 1: threw what whatever, And I'm standing right there, Okay. All
23:18
Speaker 1: I know was I'm like, how the hell did I
23:20
Speaker 1: get some shit on me? It got bad because one
23:23
Speaker 1: they threw the bottle and it hit Brandy in the head,
23:26
Speaker 1: the back of the head, right, And we're in a
23:28
Speaker 1: house that is literally all glass, right, and the realtor
23:34
Speaker 1: was on her way to do a scene, and there's
23:38
Speaker 1: like fucking shit all over the place, so they're like
23:41
Speaker 1: trying to hurry up and clean it. They threw the
23:43
Speaker 1: bottle one that had Brandy and then one of the girls,
23:48
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which one it was, they took a
23:51
Speaker 1: wine glass, broke the wine glass and made a shink.
23:56
Speaker 1: G No, it was Lauren. Lauren was at the scene.
24:00
Speaker 1: Lauren was like, shut it down, shut it down. It
24:03
Speaker 1: was so you didn't see all of this, but yeah,
24:08
Speaker 1: so it was. It was bad. So they had to
24:10
Speaker 1: like get them out of there.
24:11
Speaker 2: I gotta process this.
24:13
Speaker 3: So you're saying that Nia and her sister, one of
24:17
Speaker 3: them broke a glass and made into a shank, like
24:21
Speaker 3: we're in sixty days in like Orange?
24:24
Speaker 1: Is this new Black? Yes? Yes, Now I didn't see
24:29
Speaker 1: any of this because at this point, but this is
24:31
Speaker 1: what I was being told and I'm like, wait, what,
24:34
Speaker 1: Like this sounds so crazy. So basically I think what
24:38
Speaker 1: happened was the network reviewed the footage and you're not
24:43
Speaker 1: supposed to be fighting, and so basically they you didn't
24:49
Speaker 1: see them after that, right, No?
24:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, So thank you for your services, Lord Jesus. Let's
25:02
Speaker 3: get into your love life. So this season, we saw
25:06
Speaker 3: you meet a man during speed dating with his pretty eyes.
25:11
Speaker 3: He cut off his beard for you to expose more
25:15
Speaker 3: of his face.
25:15
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, he is kill he's very handsome.
25:18
Speaker 3: And Jim was telling me, like, you gotta watch the
25:20
Speaker 3: show because I don't like to be told things. I'm
25:23
Speaker 3: a fan, I'm a viewer, so don't spoil things for me.
25:26
Speaker 3: But Jen was teasing me, like, I met a god Carlos.
25:29
Speaker 3: He's on the show.
25:31
Speaker 2: I like him.
25:32
Speaker 3: I think you will too. Just watch it. So I
25:35
Speaker 3: watch it, and I think he's so sweet. He just
25:37
Speaker 3: seems like a good guy. Are you two still together?
25:40
Speaker 1: You know there is the second part of this season
25:43
Speaker 1: that is going to air. We got done filming the
25:46
Speaker 1: first part of the season almost like a year ago
25:49
Speaker 1: in October, like they just are airing it. But we
25:52
Speaker 1: did film apart b I'm not sure when that is
25:56
Speaker 1: going to air, so I don't want to all the
25:59
Speaker 1: way give it away. He is an awesome guy. He
26:03
Speaker 1: has an amazing family, and he's just a he's a
26:08
Speaker 1: good person. So here's the thing. You have met a
26:12
Speaker 1: lot of my guys I have on and off camera.
26:16
Speaker 1: Like it's so crazy when I think about it, I'm like, damn,
26:19
Speaker 1: Like Carlos has known the majority of my boyfriends. This
26:23
Speaker 1: is crazy.
26:24
Speaker 2: I really have.
26:26
Speaker 3: I have lately met almost all of Jen's boyfriends all
26:31
Speaker 3: of them, so, but I haven't met this one yet.
26:33
Speaker 2: I don't want to get you in trouble, so don't
26:35
Speaker 2: what was going to happen?
26:37
Speaker 3: What can we expect from the second part of this season?
26:41
Speaker 1: The second part of the season is going to start crazy. Now.
26:46
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're going to edit it. But
26:48
Speaker 1: there was like a lot of things that were happening.
26:51
Speaker 1: Because I want to tell you so bad, I know
26:54
Speaker 1: there's definitely some friendships that are fractured, possibly broken, somebody exits.
27:02
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things happening.
27:04
Speaker 3: See, guys, I am able to get a lot of
27:08
Speaker 3: information if I wanted to, But because I love my
27:11
Speaker 3: listeners so much, I like to be on the journey
27:14
Speaker 3: with them. Because let's be clear, I can easily cut
27:16
Speaker 3: this interview.
27:17
Speaker 2: And ask you all the questions and she'll give the answers.
27:19
Speaker 3: But because I'm loyal to my rain drops, we have
27:23
Speaker 3: to watch TV at the same time. So guys, don't worry.
27:28
Speaker 3: I'm not going to spoil it for y'all. I'm not
27:30
Speaker 3: going to ask jan anything. We are going to watch
27:33
Speaker 3: it as a family when the new season comes back.
27:36
Speaker 1: No, the second part I think is better than the
27:39
Speaker 1: first way better. I was nervous and I actually called
27:42
Speaker 1: you and I was like, Hey, we have this female
27:47
Speaker 1: executive producer, which has never happened in the history of
27:51
Speaker 1: Basketball Wives. We've always had a male producer. And so
27:55
Speaker 1: I was nervous. I'm like, I don't know, because you know,
27:59
Speaker 1: dealing with a woman, she's gonna have her period. I
28:02
Speaker 1: was like, I know, I'm gonna have to cuss this
28:03
Speaker 1: bitch out at some point. I was nervous, but I
28:07
Speaker 1: have to say she turned out to be awesome because
28:11
Speaker 1: she understood female relationship. You see a different dynamic and
28:17
Speaker 1: a part bat of the season.
28:19
Speaker 3: Yes, you did call me, and I said to you,
28:21
Speaker 3: I said, I haven't worked with her, but I've been
28:24
Speaker 3: trying to get her one of my shows, but she's
28:26
Speaker 3: always booked and busy. And I said to Jen, Oh,
28:30
Speaker 3: she's dope. She can really do a good job.
28:33
Speaker 2: Trust her.
28:34
Speaker 3: People ask me all the time, like Carlos, do you
28:36
Speaker 3: think these female ensemble shows can only work with a
28:39
Speaker 3: man or gay man producing these women? Even recently, Giselle
28:43
Speaker 3: Bryant from Potomac asked me that question and I said
28:46
Speaker 3: to her, a woman can produce a FEMA ensembles show
28:51
Speaker 3: it just takes them to get over the barrier of
28:55
Speaker 3: the femal cast member, thinking like, well, as long as
28:58
Speaker 3: she's talented, she can. Earlier, we talked about the fact
29:02
Speaker 3: that I have met some of your boyfriends. One of
29:04
Speaker 3: your exes that I did meet and have dinner with,
29:06
Speaker 3: that mister child, was Tim.
29:09
Speaker 2: Norman, who we all know.
29:12
Speaker 3: Oh lord Jesus, any guy that Jen dates, I have
29:17
Speaker 3: to meet them, because she's like, Carlos, you have discernment.
29:21
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be very honest. When I met Tim, I
29:24
Speaker 3: thought he was nice. He seemed very sweet. I mean,
29:27
Speaker 3: he's from Saint Louis, so he had that Midwestern sensibility. Guys,
29:32
Speaker 3: he pulled out her chair, he made sure she ordered first.
29:35
Speaker 3: He spoiled her right before my brown eyes, and I
29:39
Speaker 3: was like, damn, bitch, you got a good one. But
29:42
Speaker 3: then months later, I want to say, it was in
29:46
Speaker 3: the news that he was stalking you.
29:48
Speaker 2: It was a very bad breakup.
29:50
Speaker 3: Then we heard he supposedly put a bid on his
29:55
Speaker 3: nephew to get murdered.
29:57
Speaker 2: Now he's in jail. Did all of surprise you.
30:01
Speaker 1: I saw a side of him that was crazy. Hence
30:08
Speaker 1: you know all like this court stuff. I never in
30:14
Speaker 1: a million years would have thought he would put a
30:17
Speaker 1: hit out on his nephew. Now I had gone to
30:19
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. He had walked me down the street where
30:23
Speaker 1: the nephew was killed and his father got murdered, like
30:28
Speaker 1: on the next street over or something like that, like
30:31
Speaker 1: years prior. And so he's like walking me down the street,
30:36
Speaker 1: telling me the story and this and that, and so
30:40
Speaker 1: when everything comes out, I'm like, wait a minute, this
30:45
Speaker 1: is crazy as hell because I remember him taking me
30:50
Speaker 1: to this street where the nephew got murdered. So I
30:54
Speaker 1: tell people this. I definitely saw a crazy side of him,
30:58
Speaker 1: you know, with him like stock me, and he was
31:01
Speaker 1: he was very jealous. I don't know if I ever
31:04
Speaker 1: told you this story, but one time we were in
31:06
Speaker 1: Pink Taco in La We were like sitting. It was
31:09
Speaker 1: kind of like a booth, but it was one of
31:11
Speaker 1: those booths that like extended, and then there was like
31:14
Speaker 1: another table right and so then there was like a
31:17
Speaker 1: TV to my right, and so I'm looking at the
31:21
Speaker 1: TV and there was some guys at the table next
31:24
Speaker 1: to us, and I don't know, I guess the guy
31:26
Speaker 1: was looking I have no idea. He goes ape shit
31:31
Speaker 1: crazy in Pink Taco. So the guy says something and
31:36
Speaker 1: he's like, why do you keep looking or something along
31:38
Speaker 1: those lines, and the guy's like, oh, no, you like
31:41
Speaker 1: you guys look familiar or whatever. Next thing I know,
31:45
Speaker 1: he takes his forearm basically is about to flip the table,
31:49
Speaker 1: and he's like, I told you to stop looking over here.
31:51
Speaker 1: And I was like, what the hell? I was mortified.
31:55
Speaker 1: I could not, but first of all, we're out in
31:58
Speaker 1: a public restaurant, and then it just wasn't warranted. I'm like,
32:02
Speaker 1: what the hell? What did I miss? We get in
32:04
Speaker 1: the car, I'm super nervous. I'm like, what the hell?
32:08
Speaker 1: And so he's like, it's all your fault. You kept
32:10
Speaker 1: looking at him, and I was just like what. So
32:14
Speaker 1: now I'm on my phone and I'm texting Mary, my
32:17
Speaker 1: best friend. I'm like, gir I'm scared, Like this is
32:19
Speaker 1: so crazy. You don't even know what happened to us
32:22
Speaker 1: in Pink Taco. She's like, do you want me to
32:24
Speaker 1: come over? And I was like, I don't know. I
32:27
Speaker 1: was like I don't want to agitate it anymore. But
32:30
Speaker 1: I was really scared. I really was. And so he
32:33
Speaker 1: stayed in my house and the next day he left
32:37
Speaker 1: and he went to the gym, and he started sending
32:39
Speaker 1: me all of these screenshots and articles about I cannot
32:45
Speaker 1: believe it, about body language, and he said I had
32:49
Speaker 1: my legs crossed towards the men, and I was like,
32:54
Speaker 1: what the hell. I'm like, my leg's so long as hell.
32:57
Speaker 1: I don't know which way they were cross. It was
33:00
Speaker 1: all I swear. He sent me about five articles about
33:03
Speaker 1: body language and was basically saying that I don't know,
33:07
Speaker 1: I was trying to entice the guy or something. And
33:10
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, this dude is bashit crazy.
33:13
Speaker 2: Did he ever put his hands on you?
33:15
Speaker 1: No? No, he never did.
33:18
Speaker 2: Okay, thank god.
33:19
Speaker 1: So you know, when the whole thing came out about
33:23
Speaker 1: the nephew, I was really surprised. I was like, wow,
33:26
Speaker 1: this is so crazy. I couldn't believe it. And so
33:30
Speaker 1: I actually sent a message to his cousin Monique, because
33:34
Speaker 1: her and I were cool, and I was just like, listen,
33:36
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about you, you know, praying for your family.
33:40
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know what to say or what
33:44
Speaker 1: to do, Like I can imagine what the family was
33:47
Speaker 1: going through at that moment. Because when I heard the news,
33:50
Speaker 1: I was like, what, Like, this is so crazy. And
33:54
Speaker 1: then it was like really vindicating for me because when
33:59
Speaker 1: I came out with my story and everything that was
34:02
Speaker 1: going on with him and I, because one I had
34:05
Speaker 1: to go to court, you know, people were like, Oh,
34:07
Speaker 1: she's looking for attension, and they didn't believe me because
34:10
Speaker 1: he's on the own network. Honey, he pulled Oprah too,
34:14
Speaker 1: So no, listen, he pulled a bool right over Oprah's eyes.
34:19
Speaker 3: Don't play with me, Jennifer Williams, I can't with you,
34:22
Speaker 3: says But the fact that he what I saw, which
34:26
Speaker 3: was he was very attentive and he was, you know,
34:29
Speaker 3: chivalrous and all these things. And now when I look
34:32
Speaker 3: back on it, it was like, was he possessive? And then
34:35
Speaker 3: the whole pink Taco story is just insane. So this
34:38
Speaker 3: guy who was stalking you, he tried to gas like
34:42
Speaker 3: you by saying, no, it's your fault, which most abusers do.
34:45
Speaker 2: No, it's not my fault, is yours.
34:47
Speaker 3: He sent you articles of our body language to gaslight
34:50
Speaker 3: your ass into thinking you did something wrong to make
34:54
Speaker 3: up for his behavior, and then to learn that he
34:57
Speaker 3: put a head out for his nephew to get murdered,
35:00
Speaker 3: and it's just the saddest thing in the world. But
35:04
Speaker 3: I'm happy to obviously know that you got out of
35:07
Speaker 3: that situation the moment you did see the signs, because
35:11
Speaker 3: it it's not worth it, ladies, to stay in a situation,
35:14
Speaker 3: no matter how much he spoils you, spends money on you,
35:18
Speaker 3: Your safety, your help in your life is way more
35:21
Speaker 3: important than that.
35:22
Speaker 1: When we first met, a friend of mine actually knew
35:27
Speaker 1: one of his friends, and he was like telling her like, oh,
35:30
Speaker 1: you know, I want to meet her or whatever. And so,
35:33
Speaker 1: you know, my mom had passed away at the end
35:38
Speaker 1: of December, and that was obviously a very difficult time
35:42
Speaker 1: for me, which you know, because you know, we were
35:45
Speaker 1: filming the next fifteen I literally was like not leaving
35:50
Speaker 1: the house. One of my very good friends, who I
35:53
Speaker 1: call my sister from New York. She's a few years
35:57
Speaker 1: older than me. She actually moved into my house because
36:02
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm going to cook for you, I'm
36:05
Speaker 1: going to check on you, I'm going to make sure
36:08
Speaker 1: you're good, I'm going to get you out the house.
36:11
Speaker 1: Like I literally I started drinking a lot because that
36:14
Speaker 1: was the only thing that was kind of like taking
36:16
Speaker 1: the pain away a little bit. And then I had
36:19
Speaker 1: to like do a whole detox because I saw myself
36:22
Speaker 1: going down a bad path. So fast forward to like
36:25
Speaker 1: a couple months later, I'm like, Okay, you know, let
36:28
Speaker 1: me try and like get back to some type of
36:30
Speaker 1: normalcy in my life. When I met him, I was
36:33
Speaker 1: looking for some form of companionship because I was I
36:38
Speaker 1: was missing that with my mother, and so I was
36:41
Speaker 1: just to try and just be around somebody to feel
36:45
Speaker 1: comfortable and loved. And I understand now looking back on it,
36:51
Speaker 1: what I was doing, but in that moment, I did
36:53
Speaker 1: not know because I was just so grief stricken. And
36:58
Speaker 1: so when he came around, he was always big for me,
37:02
Speaker 1: and like you said, he was a gentleman, and you know,
37:05
Speaker 1: he communicated with me while and that was something that
37:08
Speaker 1: I was looking for. We spent a lot of time together,
37:11
Speaker 1: we did things, so it kept my mind off of
37:13
Speaker 1: what I was actually going through, and so that's kind
37:17
Speaker 1: of how we became a couple.
37:19
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you were able to get out of
37:21
Speaker 2: that situation.
37:22
Speaker 3: And obviously, you know you were in another situation where
37:26
Speaker 3: a guy stole your range robe and this is a
37:32
Speaker 3: crazy thing. But now the guy I met at church,
37:35
Speaker 3: this is crazy.
37:37
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. This dude came to church.
37:40
Speaker 2: With me in his red Lamborghini.
37:43
Speaker 1: That was mine, that's right, yes, bitch, check me, yes,
37:52
Speaker 1: that was my Ferrara.
37:54
Speaker 3: What is the latest with you and this project you're
37:57
Speaker 3: doing called scam Likely where you partner with your homegirl
38:02
Speaker 3: Angela Yee who you.
38:03
Speaker 2: Went to school with. Y'all been friends wherever.
38:05
Speaker 1: So I have to say I am super excited about
38:09
Speaker 1: this project scam Likely. As you know, I have been
38:12
Speaker 1: working on it for almost two years and it's a
38:16
Speaker 1: passion project of mine. And when this whole situation happened
38:21
Speaker 1: to me, when my ranger over agetting stolen and I
38:24
Speaker 1: went public with my story, the amount of people that
38:29
Speaker 1: reached out to me about this one man was astronomical.
38:34
Speaker 1: I cannot believe it. My dms were flooded with women, men,
38:43
Speaker 1: gay men, his family, and I just couldn't even keep
38:47
Speaker 1: track of all the stories and what people were telling me.
38:50
Speaker 1: And so I'm thinking, like, Okay, I had somebody reach
38:54
Speaker 1: out to me from two thousand and four that he
38:58
Speaker 1: has stanped in big Is, And I'm saying to myself
39:02
Speaker 1: how the hell has he been able to get away
39:05
Speaker 1: with this for almost two decades? Like this is crazy
39:09
Speaker 1: to me. And the stories that people were telling me,
39:12
Speaker 1: they were so compelling, they were so heartbreaking, and I said,
39:15
Speaker 1: I have to do something with this, and I want
39:19
Speaker 1: people to know who he is and what he does,
39:22
Speaker 1: because if I can help one person and save their
39:27
Speaker 1: bank accounts or their livelihood, then that is my responsibility
39:33
Speaker 1: to do this because I have the platform to do it.
39:36
Speaker 1: And so I was so ahead of this whole scam
39:40
Speaker 1: culture that we are now seeing play out on TV,
39:44
Speaker 1: from Infancy Anna to Bad Vegan to Tender Swindler. I
39:49
Speaker 1: was ahead of this curve. So every time the show
39:52
Speaker 1: would come out, I would be like, God, see, I'm
39:54
Speaker 1: I gotta get scam likely on the air. This is
39:56
Speaker 1: so crazy. My show finally got green. Lid Partner with
40:00
Speaker 1: Half Yards is going to be on VH one. I
40:04
Speaker 1: don't have an air day yet, but we are filming
40:07
Speaker 1: it and I am super excited about this story. I
40:11
Speaker 1: can't wait for everybody to hear it. I can't wait
40:15
Speaker 1: for people to hear the other victims and what he
40:18
Speaker 1: has done to people and how he has affected people's
40:21
Speaker 1: lives and you have to stay tuned because gam likely
40:25
Speaker 1: became a major storyline and Basketball Wives the second part
40:29
Speaker 1: of the season.
40:30
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you. I thank you so much
40:32
Speaker 3: for joining this podcast. Where can people follow you, support
40:37
Speaker 3: you all those things?
40:38
Speaker 1: Well, you can follow me on Instagram at Jennifer Williams.
40:43
Speaker 1: You can also follow me on Twitter. I'm trying to
40:45
Speaker 1: get better with the tweeting, but when the show comes on,
40:48
Speaker 1: I try and tweet a little more. So my Twitter
40:52
Speaker 1: is I am Jennifer And you have to make sure
40:55
Speaker 1: you check out my new hairline that I launched on
40:57
Speaker 1: Basketball Vives called redifund and you can find that at
41:01
Speaker 1: Redefine glam dot com. So come get your bundles.
41:04
Speaker 4: Honey, Child, wasn't Jennifer dropping some crazy ass stories not
41:12
Speaker 4: only about her time of Basketball Wives, but child about
41:16
Speaker 4: her relationship with them?
41:18
Speaker 3: Now, yes, I did meet the guy and he was
41:21
Speaker 3: so sweet. But ladies and gentlemen, that's why you got
41:25
Speaker 3: about Child. But when you date somebody knew and they
41:31
Speaker 3: come across like Prince Charming, when Child, they could be
41:34
Speaker 3: Dark Vader. Okay, but I'm happy that Jennifer found her
41:38
Speaker 3: place on Basketball Wives.
41:40
Speaker 2: Because I think she's such.
41:41
Speaker 3: A great reality star and she's somebody who understands the
41:45
Speaker 3: assignment and being messy on the low, but also moving
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