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The Week that Was - 28th October 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: In the studio with us this morning. Well we've got
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  Speaker 1: the Minister for Police Families and various other portfolios. Kate Warden,
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  Speaker 1: good morning to.
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  Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie, and good morning to all us
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  Speaker 2: teachers out there this morning. We should say straight up
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  Speaker 2: that it's World Teachers Day to day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a big happy World Teacher's Day to
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  Speaker 1: all the wonderful teachers. And Matt Cunningham from Sky News,
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  Speaker 1: good morning to you.
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  Speaker 3: Get a woolfie. Sorry on the fly this morning. Bit happening.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening? As always anything we should know about right now?
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  Speaker 3: Doing this Peter Dutton thing?
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  Speaker 1: What did he do?
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  Speaker 4: Peter Dutton?
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  Speaker 5: Yesterday's called for an inquiry into indigenous sex abuse in
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  Speaker 5: the Northern Territory rise visit Taylis.
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  Speaker 3: Springs last week.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well we're.
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  Speaker 3: Making a few national head.
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  Speaker 1: Headlines around the place. All right, we can take a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a closer look at that, but we better
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  Speaker 1: introduce our third guest on the panel this morning. Jared Mayley,
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  Speaker 1: Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning Katy, Good morning listeners and special good morning
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  Speaker 4: to Macca and is out there and how it's rings
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  Speaker 4: working any shed, So.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning for your staff well, and of course the
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition leader. Now there is a lot to on
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  Speaker 1: this morning, and talking nationally, we might firstly touch on
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  Speaker 1: the fact that the federal budget was handed down earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the week. The treasure US says that Australians know
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  Speaker 1: that governments can't make inflation disappear overnight, and they don't
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  Speaker 1: need us taking steps that would make the problem worse
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  Speaker 1: by putting even more pressure on prices and making the
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  Speaker 1: Independent Reserve Bank's job even harder. So there's much been
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  Speaker 1: said obviously about the federal budget which was delivered, but
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  Speaker 1: one of the big points that has been made is
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  Speaker 1: that plenty of people feeling as though it hasn't delivered
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  Speaker 1: a lot when you talk about the cost of living
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  Speaker 1: that so many Aussies are facing right now. There was
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  Speaker 1: a lot in it for the Northern Territory though. In
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  Speaker 1: terms of the infrastructure spend.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, huge, Katie.
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  Speaker 2: Two point five billion dollars coming into the territory, effectively
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  Speaker 2: funding the plans that we put forward, which is very
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  Speaker 2: exciting news for the territory.
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  Speaker 6: In you in the future of that precinct down.
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  Speaker 2: At Middle Arm really good there and also some commitments
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  Speaker 2: around roads. But I think essentially the budget deliver a
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  Speaker 2: pretty poor outlook for things like power prices, particularly along
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  Speaker 2: the Eastern Seaboard. I think if I was living there now,
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  Speaker 2: I might be looking to come and move to Darwin,
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  Speaker 2: because obviously that's not going to affect us in the
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  Speaker 2: same way that it tacks us.
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  Speaker 1: Through that very quickly, because there's been a bit of
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  Speaker 1: conjecture about this. So in the territory, because we are
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  Speaker 1: obviously a government owned or power Waters a government owned corporation,
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  Speaker 1: it's not going to impact us.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 2: We get We've been on the very upfront that we
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  Speaker 2: give a CPI only around pound Water. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that's about just over two percent this financial year, certainly,
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  Speaker 2: sorry Jared, not thirty percent that we saw previously massive high.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry I had to get us.
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  Speaker 2: I think on the Eastern seaboards that's going up about
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  Speaker 2: fifty percent. I think they're projecting over the next few
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  Speaker 2: years for people on the Eastern Seaboard, so it's a
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  Speaker 2: real issue for them, and I think the territories in
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  Speaker 2: the better position around power price.
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  Speaker 5: The CPI increase will be interesting next year because it's
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  Speaker 5: going to be a lot more than two percent. I
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  Speaker 5: think it's worth noting Katie that we probably owe Paul
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  Speaker 5: Henderson a debt of gratitude. He's copped a lot of
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  Speaker 5: flak previously over a decision he made when he was
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  Speaker 5: the Chief Minister to sign up to a take or
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  Speaker 5: pay contract with E and I for their gas from
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  Speaker 5: Black Tip that runs until I think it's till twenty
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  Speaker 5: thirty four. Now, the issue at the moment is that
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  Speaker 5: E and I is not able to supply enough gas.
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  Speaker 5: But we should be pretty happy in the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 5: that we locked in a contract twelve years ago that
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  Speaker 5: means that we have a guaranteed supply of gas at
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  Speaker 5: a set price.
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  Speaker 3: And if we don't use it.
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  Speaker 5: Now, these issues at the moment with the supply, they're
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  Speaker 5: not at the moment that the issue is that E
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  Speaker 5: and I is not able to have been having issues
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  Speaker 5: supplying enough gas to support our electricity system. But the
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  Speaker 5: deal also means that if there's excess gas, we can
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  Speaker 5: sell it off to the East Coast. Now we'd love
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  Speaker 5: to have that excess gas at the moment because the
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  Speaker 5: gas price is so high, but that's going to turn
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  Speaker 5: out to be a pretty good deal for the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 5: And when we turn around next year and our power
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  Speaker 5: bills have barely gone up at all, and everyone else's
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  Speaker 5: gone up by figure. Yeah, we should probably go and
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  Speaker 5: shake Hendo's hands.
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  Speaker 1: Got history lesson well, And this is the thing because
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  Speaker 1: it's so bloody expensive, like cost of living so high
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  Speaker 1: at the moment, and then when you looked at those
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  Speaker 1: CPI the numbers that had come out earlier in the week,
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  Speaker 1: they're astronomical and pays are not going up in line
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  Speaker 1: with that. I know, we've got public servants sets or
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've got the police and the teachers that
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  Speaker 1: have come through this week sort of asking for the
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  Speaker 1: government to get back to the negotiating table. But the
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  Speaker 1: fact is that if you work in the private sector
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  Speaker 1: right now as well, you'd be hard pressed to find
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  Speaker 1: somebody whose pays going up in line with CPI, wouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: It one hundred percent? You know, because there's budgets delivering
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  Speaker 4: a lot of money, but the buckstop through the labor
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  Speaker 4: gunment up here. Can they get the money on the ground,
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  Speaker 4: Will it flow through to local contractors. They've got a
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  Speaker 4: bad history in relation to that. There's a bit of
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  Speaker 4: confusion over you know what this equity funding means how
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  Speaker 4: that's all going to work. And a lot of these
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  Speaker 4: projects don't kick off a number of years. So, like
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  Speaker 4: you said earlier, how is it going to make a
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  Speaker 4: difference to the cost of living right now, in the
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  Speaker 4: next one month, two months, even the next year. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, I know there was some child care subsidy,
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  Speaker 4: but that doesn't kick off until next year. And another
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  Speaker 4: problem with the child care is not only the affordability,
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  Speaker 4: but trying to get your kid into child care. It's
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  Speaker 4: very difficult if you've got my children just out of
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  Speaker 4: child care now. But when we were trying to find
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  Speaker 4: child care and I speak to people and how it's doings,
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  Speaker 4: where do you find a child privateer going to make
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  Speaker 4: a difference to the cost of living right now? But
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  Speaker 4: other day which is hurting territories? Then remember you come
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  Speaker 4: up here and if people were, like Kate said, you
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  Speaker 4: come to charity, but they come up here become a
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  Speaker 4: victim of crime. So why were they going to come
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  Speaker 4: in the long.
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  Speaker 5: Charactory on the team to ask Kate about this because
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  Speaker 5: I have some issues with We know you've got issues.
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  Speaker 3: I've got lots of issues.
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  Speaker 5: We've been here for a long time. Just ask my
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  Speaker 5: wife but I've got the child care changes in the budget,
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  Speaker 5: and they were announced before the election. Give childcare subsidies
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  Speaker 5: to a family earning five hundred and thirty.
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  Speaker 3: Thousand dollars a year.
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  Speaker 5: This is a labor party, that is, this is the
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  Speaker 5: party of the battler, or it used to be. Why
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  Speaker 5: on earth is the labor party giving handouts welfare handouts
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  Speaker 5: to people earning five hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, If you earn five hundred and thirty thousand
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  Speaker 5: dollars a year, then you don't need my taxes to
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  Speaker 5: pay for someone else to look after your kids. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know what do you reckon you're a labor person
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  Speaker 5: like that. That just seems out of sync with what
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  Speaker 5: your party is.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably not the only time that there haven't been
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  Speaker 2: no sorts of limits around the money that you get.
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  Speaker 2: But you make you do make a really good point,
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  Speaker 2: But I mean childcare. I'm just particularly pleased that child
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  Speaker 2: care has been looked at in the budget. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: also particularly pleased around parental leave. I think that the
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  Speaker 2: increase and the doubling of printal leave is a really
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  Speaker 2: great thing, but not just for men. But for women,
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  Speaker 2: but for also for the dad. I think there's an
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  Speaker 2: importance off sets in there. But you know, I said
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  Speaker 2: to him, I just said, I don't I find it.
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  Speaker 2: I do find it, and I'm not a team myself,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm obviously not.
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  Speaker 6: That's not my space. I don't operate in.
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  Speaker 2: It day and and it's been a long time since
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  Speaker 2: I've had need the need for childcare. But I do,
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  Speaker 2: you know, obviously out regularly with my people in my electorate,
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  Speaker 2: and child care is one of those things that they
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  Speaker 2: have indicated very very difficult to get a place in.
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  Speaker 2: We need to make sure that our childcare workers have
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  Speaker 2: access to good education themselves, but also that they're paid.
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  Speaker 6: And that's a that's a very long.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder why that money wouldn't be better spent trying
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  Speaker 5: to create more childcare places and pay.
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  Speaker 2: We have to remember that that is private enterprise. Child
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  Speaker 2: Care is a private enterprise. So you can't suddenly say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're just going to have a built, you know, gonna
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  Speaker 2: have another childcause center, or you have, we would like
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  Speaker 2: you to take twenty more people. You could incentivize that,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely you could, but we you know, this is a
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  Speaker 2: private enterprise.
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  Speaker 6: So I think if you were in the.
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  Speaker 2: Business of being in childcare in the territory, you would
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  Speaker 2: be opening up, would you. I mean, there's that much
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  Speaker 2: of a need. I think you'd fill every place the
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  Speaker 2: minute you open the doors. I've had from quite a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people. In fact, my own son in law
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  Speaker 2: wasn't able to go back to work for a period
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  Speaker 2: of time as a single dad because he just couldn't
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  Speaker 2: get his youngest into child care. And absolutely felt for
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  Speaker 2: him because that meant he wasn't participating in the economy
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  Speaker 2: and times were tough, So its all round.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean there was a sorry, Matte, were you going to
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  Speaker 1: say something?
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  Speaker 3: I probably should just rewind?
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  Speaker 5: Just just to my point on the E and I
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  Speaker 5: and the gas, right is that?
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  Speaker 3: And it's been pointed out to me by a couple
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  Speaker 3: of people.
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  Speaker 5: And they're right, well that perhaps the benefits of that,
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  Speaker 5: even the text, perhaps the benefits of that great deal
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  Speaker 5: has has been offset somewhat by our perhaps over alicely
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  Speaker 5: aggressive pursuit of renewable energy that has seen us build
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  Speaker 5: four solar farms that are still not.
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  Speaker 3: Corrected to the grid.
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  Speaker 5: To the grid, and because the electricity grid, the grid.
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  Speaker 1: Contact us about this and a few people have been
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  Speaker 1: in contact with us this week basically, you know, basically
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  Speaker 1: questioning exactly that. And so it's still a situation where
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  Speaker 1: they're not connected.
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  Speaker 7: There's still connect The connective is they're not able to
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  Speaker 7: produce the corovide energy to the grid because the instability
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  Speaker 7: that they would create would would cause a blackout basically,
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  Speaker 7: So that's.
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  Speaker 2: About improving infrastructure, and it's definitely a direction that Power
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  Speaker 2: water are headed in to improve their infrastructure.
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  Speaker 6: And that's a lot of the game has to be done.
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  Speaker 4: We've got a nine billion dollar debt. We spend money
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  Speaker 4: on shade structures and grandstands in playgrounds when we're not
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  Speaker 4: talking about power and water, which is you think you
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  Speaker 4: need every day?
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  Speaker 6: I think you also every time you say that, Jared.
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  Speaker 2: What you do is you detract from the fact that
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  Speaker 2: people need to have a lifestyle in the territories.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they need.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the point, Jared, here's the point.
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  Speaker 6: You can do both.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe an air condury, you can do both.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just your mistake. You can do you can
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  Speaker 1: do both.
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  Speaker 5: Agree Kate that the fifty percent renewable energy target and
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  Speaker 5: nouns in twenty sixteen that we probably went headfirst into that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, my assessment is we just plucked the number
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  Speaker 5: because it sounded good and we didn't do any of
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  Speaker 5: the research about what was actually involved or required here.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think that that was too aggressive in hindsight,
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  Speaker 5: given that the Independent Utilities Commissioner has said that when
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  Speaker 5: we got when we got to sixteen percent, said we're
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  Speaker 5: in real strife here and if we keep going down
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  Speaker 5: this track, you know, the lights are going to go out.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that genuinely there have been some issues
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  Speaker 2: along the way, particularly around infrastructure that does need some
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  Speaker 2: changes along the way, complete system reform, and that takes investment,
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  Speaker 2: and that's been doing. That's been done, but it takes time.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the territory isn't a wash with cash. It's
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  Speaker 2: not a place where you can just throw, you know,
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars at things.
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  Speaker 6: That would be ideal to be able to get those things.
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  Speaker 2: But we have been working on it over time, and
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  Speaker 2: there is increased stability in the grid over time, and
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  Speaker 2: we need to keep doing more of that.
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  Speaker 6: So that we can have all that solar investment.
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  Speaker 1: Because the difficult thing is so the interesting thing is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if we've got solar farms or solar you know,
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  Speaker 1: locations being built, but then we're not able to connect.
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  Speaker 1: You've sort of got to ask yourself, is the government
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  Speaker 1: really serious about, you know, about going down this renewables path.
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  Speaker 2: We absolutely are, and you can see that that massive
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  Speaker 2: investment at Middle Arm, a sustainable precinct around sustainable energy
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  Speaker 2: and the sustainable jobs is absolutely the pathway we're going down.
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  Speaker 2: And the federal government have seen that and invested in
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  Speaker 2: it and have given that confidence to the territory. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what's really important here is we just
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  Speaker 2: keep moving forward all the time.
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  Speaker 6: How do you eat an elephant? I think that's even
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  Speaker 6: more as favorite saying bit by bit, bit by bit,
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  Speaker 6: and that's exactly what we're doing as a government exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I would be concerned that this government can't even connect
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  Speaker 4: four small solar panels. They never trying to do a
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  Speaker 4: two point five billion dollar producce. So that's exactly what
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  Speaker 4: I said earlier. This money is there, but ken labor
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  Speaker 4: and get it on the ground and for people.
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  Speaker 2: Only, people like you that go around saying, oh it
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  Speaker 2: might not happen.
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  Speaker 6: The sky's there, but it's not falling in Jared, not connected.
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  Speaker 6: The sky is not falling in Jared. We're still moving forward.
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  Speaker 6: We're eating that elephant bit by.
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  Speaker 1: Bit, speaking of let's keep moving forward now. Match you
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  Speaker 1: did mention as you came in this morning that Peter
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  Speaker 1: Dutton has been out a bit earlier today. Was it
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  Speaker 1: making an announcement that he thinks there should be a
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  Speaker 1: what does he think should happen?
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  Speaker 5: He wants to see an inquiry into indigenous sex abusy
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  Speaker 5: and part in question Time in Parliament yesterday and he's
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  Speaker 5: been speaking on Sky News this morning as well a
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  Speaker 5: Royal Commission he's actually calling well now, he spent time
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  Speaker 5: with Just Enterprise down in Alice Springs last week and
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  Speaker 5: it's on the back of that visit and those conversations
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  Speaker 5: that he's made these calls.
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  Speaker 3: He said.
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  Speaker 5: His words were that he wasn't shocked by what he
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  Speaker 5: saw in Alice Springs. He's worked previously as a police officer,
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  Speaker 5: but speaking to people there, he said those issues He
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  Speaker 5: actually in his interview this morning likened what's going on
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  Speaker 5: to what's previously happened within some of the churches within
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  Speaker 5: this country, and he said four years on from the
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  Speaker 5: Royal Commission into Historical child sex abuse. He said we
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  Speaker 5: should be having a royal commission into this because he
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  Speaker 5: said that in Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 3: At the moment, the same thing that we were.
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  Speaker 5: So horrified about is going on right now, so it's
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  Speaker 5: going to be I mean, it's obviously an interesting call
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  Speaker 5: that he's made. I'd be interesting here Kate's reaction to it,
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  Speaker 5: but certainly something that's making headlines today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Matt, and thanks for flagging it, because I actually
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  Speaker 2: hadn't seen that at all, but I've got this article
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  Speaker 2: now in front of me.
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  Speaker 6: I find it a very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: There is a big disparity between what just into talks
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  Speaker 2: about and what we see on the ground working in
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  Speaker 2: this area in a daily basis. This is not the
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  Speaker 2: biggest issue that we have. I see in that article
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  Speaker 2: where's they're basically saying that more children should be removed.
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  Speaker 6: I can tell you absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the trauma of removal is far greater and far
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  Speaker 2: last longer lasting in life. Where there is substantiated to
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  Speaker 2: abuse and harm to a child in the Northern Territory,
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  Speaker 2: our system does remove those children.
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  Speaker 6: That's an out and out fallacy to say that they're
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  Speaker 6: not being removed.
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  Speaker 2: I think that she's completely out of step with our
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  Speaker 2: First Nations people.
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  Speaker 6: Here in the territory, we do an awful lot of work.
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  Speaker 2: To keep families together and strong and make sure because
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  Speaker 2: we know that that is the biggest change you'll have
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  Speaker 2: you start removing young people. And the Territory is the
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  Speaker 2: only place in Australia that has turned its system around
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  Speaker 2: and has less.
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  Speaker 6: Children going in than coming out. And we're very proud
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  Speaker 6: of that. But that means those kids are safe at home.
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  Speaker 4: Someone comes up from down South, it goes for a
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  Speaker 4: quick tour of our the springs and cause the Royal Commission.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely what an embarrassment that you think that children. That's
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  Speaker 6: not what I said.
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  Speaker 2: It's not what I said for two minutes and out
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  Speaker 2: of springs and he's suddenly an expert.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I will say is that you know, obviously
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  Speaker 1: just Enter Price is also calling for this is my assumption.
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  Speaker 6: Story.
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  Speaker 1: But sorry or just noted those comments that you'd made Kate,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, well, you would actually think that she's
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: got a good idea of what's going on. I mean,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: she is in Central Australia, she is an indigenous politician,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: she's got family in those communities.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I mean absolutely it's a very serious Would you not
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: think she would flag it with us first rather than
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: roll Dutton into ground for two minutes he talks for
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: a royal commission. It's all politics to tell you, don't listen.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I have to say we have got our own Indigenous
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: people out of families. Derella Anderson is our most senior
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: officer in Ola Spring. She's that well connected right the
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: way through. And it's certainly not she's talking about. And
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: she works in the child protection area day in and
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: day out. It's an absolute disgrace that you were politicized here.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Of course we care about children in the Northern Territory,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: and of course we care about Aboriginal children in the
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Northern Territory. Every report of abuse is investigated, and it's
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: a disgrace that you would say it's not.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Can I just just be giving the point about whether
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: children are removed or not? If you go back to
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: twenty eighteen, which is not too long ago, and the
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: horrific incident of the two year old girl who was
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: raped in Tenant Creek. Now, when Colin Gwin, who is
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: the Children's Commissioner, did a report into that, I think
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: it found that there had been fifty two prior notifications
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: about the welfare of that child and that family, and
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: yet that girl was not removed in that situation. Is
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: that not evidence that there are cases where children are
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: being abused and neglected and they're not being removed and
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: taken to a safer place.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I think the key point here is that it's not
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: a completely infallible system. However, every allegation is investigated. Since
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: those times, Since that, the improvements in our system are fourfold.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: We've invested heavily in our staff. They are better trained,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: We've got the signs of safety practice in place. The
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: reforms in the agency have been massive, absolutely massive. And
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: if just Enterprice has got specific cases that she can
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: point to, I will welcome her in my office tomorrow
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and we can go through if she can point us
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: to those that have been apparently, have they been reported,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: have they been investigated? Instead, just make these big assertions.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: As you said, Matt, you walked in here with this
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: news to meet today, but this is so important that
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: these matters get reported into the system and not just
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: thrown around as a political Oh, we'll have a Royal commission.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Has never once written to me as the Minister for
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Child protection to flag issues in Central Australia. Not once
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: she can go out and grandstand all she likes, but
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: we have a system that she needs to understand. And
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: if she had one chat with, you know, someone like
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Drell Anderson, Dan and Alice Springs, you know this is
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: it's a very poor area to start playing politics with.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: You said just a moment ago that Indigenous sex abuse
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: is not the biggest issue that we've got in the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Northern Territory. What would you say is the biggest issue
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that we've got?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: So addressing anti social behavior, homelessness, poverty, all of those
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: things are real issues here in the Northern Territory and
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: we are addressing them.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: They are factors that have been coming for a very
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: long time.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: They're cumulative and there's a lot of people in the
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Northern Territory dealing with trauma over a lifetime. People still
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: talk about the Stolen generation, they still talk about the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: removal of children from families.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: In unsub substantiated matters. So I think we've got to
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: be very careful here.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I think we very rarely talk about child protection because
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: it is a subject that is so.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: It's just such an important.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Area, but it's one that we have to have some
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: caution around because children are involved, and we don't and
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: we should never politicize it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: So I'm happy to go go away from the story.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I hope that you know Dutton does more than make
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: a big cry for a Royal commission publicly. I hope
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: that he writes to me with substantiated evidence to back
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: that up, and that's the way forward for those.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: Sorts of support a Royal commission.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Kate, without any evidence that that's needed at this point
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: in time. Did you he gave them evidence for that's
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: a historic If that's historic, that's two.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: That they ring up family and there's no answering.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: Rubbish, it's true, No, absolutely rubbish. You have to get
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: ready to rubbish this morning.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to get ready to have a
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: break to that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: What you want for that?
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, Kate, Kate makes the point that things have
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: changed since twenty eighteen, and they have and I'm going
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: to go back a little bit further, but I think
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: it's beyond politics. I know your accusation is that Peter
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Dutton and just into price of politicizing it now. But
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: if you even go back to the Royal commission, we
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: had into Child Protection and Attention in the Northern Territory
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Following Dondale, Hillary Hannam, who was the Chief Magistrate in
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: the Northern Territory for a long time during that Royal Commission,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: gave evidence that she said that there were far more
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: cases where children were being abused and neglected and not
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: being removed from their families than there were of what
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Mick Gooda at the time described as a second stolen generation.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: There was a really interesting exchange between Mick Gooda and
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: Hillary Hannam Hannam where Mick Gooda was saying, I'm hearing
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: about a second stolen generation where Aboriginal kids are being
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: removed from their family for no good reason, and Hillary Hannam,
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: who had a lot of experience as a chief magistrate
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: dealing with these cases her, I think to quote verbatim,
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: she actually said that the opposite is true. She said
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: there are far more cases where there are substantiated cases
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: of abuse and those children are not being removed to
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: a safe place.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Now, that's twenty sixteen.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen, massive reforms, two hundred and fifty million dollars
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: plus into the system. I'd be very happy for someone
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: like Ken Davies or Darrell Anderson to come in and
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: give some facts around the child protection system, because if
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: that's you know, if that's topical, you need the facts
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: in there around systemic reform, and that has happened. What's
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: being said by Jared mostly is absolutely insulting to all
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: our child protection offices across the.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Failed Territorians case.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: That's act.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Gets microphones down and we are going to have to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: take a very short break. You are listening to Mix
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: one O four nine's three sixty. While I've got everybody
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: fired up this morning, let's talk about these reports of
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: COLP leadership wose and we know that it was being
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: reported throughout the week that Leofanokiro's position as the leader
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: of the country Liberal parties understood to be under threat,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I mean an internal power struggle within the Territory opposition.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: That's what the Northern Territory News was reporting. They had
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: said that a senior source close to the party had
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: reportedly told them that an internal divide has emerged within
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the COLP as a push to our miss Finocchio looms.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Jared, I can tell you that is absolutely alive, absolutely
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: not true. And we say that just this is just
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: a rumor fueled by labor because they've lit these concerns
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: about the crime and anti social behavior. Did they start
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: raising And I think yesterday I was listening to your
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: show and you said all the labor people rang up
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Say no, they hadn't wrung me. I'd had a few
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: sources within labor that had said to me that they'd
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: heard that. There certainly wasn't people before within labor ringing me,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: but yes, that they had heard the same. Look, I've
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: got to say, there wasn't a lot of There wasn't
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of support for there to be a change
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of leadership from my listeners yesterday on the.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Show got our one hundred percent support and there's no
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: change of issue, only change the issue. With one of
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: your listeners said yesterday needs to be she needs to
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: be the chief minister, that's change.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Can you guarantee, Jared, can you guarantee that Leah Nokier
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: will be the leader who takes a CLP to the
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four I can guarantee that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Well, well, does Steve Edgington feel the same because that
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: is the name that had.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Been around the being with Steve and we've been the
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: man of greedy this week. And we didn't discuss this
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: because it we've never discussed it at Wing. We didn't
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: know about until we got back. But I can guarantee
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: you and anyone who wants to hear that Leo will
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: be our leader in twenty four and she was the
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: chief minister straight after the election.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: A show that just keeps giving. Jared, so you didn't.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Really like money.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: He's happy to sit there and put me under the pump, mate,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But you don't look too convincing to me. It's continuous dysfunction. Yeah,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: but how come not one of you has come out
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: and backed Lea over the last couple of days.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Lea has and she's our leader.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: She's not even here, so it's just tip shoes away
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and we put the knives in like it's just we've
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: been hearing him. But do you support her one hundred percent?
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: I support Let's hear Steve Edgington.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: Comes and say the same thing, because I won't.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: You can get you on the phone and that you will.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess the difficulty is here is that if
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he is the person you know who is keen to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: take that role, you know he won that Tenant Creek
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: or the Barkley seed on a knife seat. There was
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: nothing in it maybe, But you know, I always think
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that the really interesting thing in political parties, no matter
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: whether you're talking about the CLP or the ALP, is
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: that there are always those rumblings when it comes to leadership,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and there are always egos in politics, There's no doubt.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: But you know, but you've sort of got to ask
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: yourself as well. I suppose at this point in time,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: if somebody were to say would you vote for Steve Edgington,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I think that Joe blogs in the Northern suburbs probably
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: wouldn't actually know who he is.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Well, it's not going to happen, because Lee is our
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: leader and he's going to be the leader of the election,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: full stop.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It's just really fascinating that you're quick to blame labor.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: But I've actually heard it from two c l P
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: sources myself over the last twelve What do.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: You name them?
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: What are your name them?
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: A toothless tiger?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Name them?
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Come on, come on, come on.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: To it has been liberal. It's not true.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Talk for a moment.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Do you think if we asked all of your colleagues
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: they would give the same answer.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: You didder.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: So if we are Steve, and if we are Bill,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: and if we are Josh, they'd all be absolutely one hundred.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Percent locked in.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: But they have been asked and they've been silent, absolute silence.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Because we've got our media and we go through and lea.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Our leaders responded, absolutely not true. It's a life. So
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: we're a team unlike labor. And we listened our leader
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: and she she's here something and that's full stop.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: He just doesn't. You don't never miss as a beat.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: Now look for is coming. We're all good in Japan,
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: the United Team. Absolutely.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I was dealing with rumor and Scuttle. Are you one
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: hundred percent contesting the next election?
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Contesting the next time?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Had there been?
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: But it was rumored Scuttle was giving much credence.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I can tell you that is not true.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Well there you go.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: Well, if I get.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Elected as normal problem, because that's thes see people's house screen, good, we.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: Might consider being anina instead.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I am there for the long run. All right, let's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: take another short break. You are listening to Mix one
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty is the week that was?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was? If you've
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: just joined us, we've got Kate Warden, Matt Cunningham and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Jared Mayley in the studio this morning. Now, an interesting
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: bit of information that has come out in the last
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours, and that is the shade structure on
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Cavanaugh Streak. It's apparently costing taxpayers ninety thousand dollars a
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: year and is six times the cost since twenty twenty one. So, Jared,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you've been doing a bit of homework by the look
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: of things, and you've done some written questions to the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: government uncovered the monthly maintenance of that vine cost taxpayers
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: ninety thousand dollars per year. Now, the answer also revealed
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that the expenditure on that vine for twenty twenty two
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to twenty three financial year to date was forty eight
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: thousy three hundred and three dollars, and it's expected to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: be one hundred thousand dollars per year over the next
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: twelve to twenty four months. I pray for the vine structure.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I keep thinking of hope it gets religious person, not really,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you know, I hope that it gets some more shade
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: over it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: There's one hundred thousand dollars a year of taxpayers money
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: going into a shade structure that you know ultimately it
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: just needs to be shaved. The vine's pulled off. Put
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: a roofine and Bob's your uncle one hundred thousand dollars.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeare guys. If it actually got going, it'll look so nice.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Yes, just have a lookit.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: I've pulled up the original artist impressions.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Looks amazing. They play the wrong vine.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I just don't know.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Don't understand why when they planted the wrong vine.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: John Antler from he used to work for parks, he's
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: like in the expert. He told him four years ago
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: they planted the wrong vine.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: I just don't know. On those stage they didn't rip
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: the one out that they planted.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: And fixated not taking advice. He fixes easy, putting your viney,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: But this is these things too arrogant to fix it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: Totally fixated on these things.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Whereas the was a bigger revitalization project, A number of
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: those things have all gone ahead. You can see all
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the fantastic work at Stakes where that's going to continue.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: Through all the artwork through the city of Darwin.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: And I think whilst you can keep parping on about
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the vine, which, by the way, I love driving through
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: that on my pushbike at night with it lit up.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: It's just beautiful. You can keep talking about that shade structure.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: But essentially we have revitalized the city as part and
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: that was one small part of a very big project.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That work continues because we know we want to have
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: our capital city looking absolutely fantastic for others.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: It's just a bigger.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Part of a lot of project.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: You can get fixated, and you are fixated, and it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a bit of a shame you don't see the big picture.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: I've been on the.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Look. It is disappointing. I think that it's not like
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it's not actually covered at this point, and I think
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: everybody wants it to sort of get to the point
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: where it is entirely covered. But it is an awful
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: lot of money that it costs to maintain it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: Isn't it for something?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: And I guess when you kind of think to yourself,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you know, not that I want to take everything back
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to kids sport or to sport, but when you kind
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of think about the amount that that's costing and what
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you know, like what it could be going towards, I
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: suppose or different.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: On the day on festival opening concert.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: So again it's a one.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Project City Revitalization, which has failed. We've done a whole
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: fix it to try and fix it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: I love this. You know the fact that you can try.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: New things and then if it doesn't work out exactly,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the c LP will spend years talking about it because
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: they're fixated on it, whereas they don't see the broader
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: picture of all the revitalization of our beautiful city. You
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: have to have a vision. They got no vision. I
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: don't hear them talking about a vision for our city.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Whereas you go into State Square now and you see
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: all the beautifications, you see in the connectivity with the waterfront,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you do all that expansive work we're doing down the waterfront,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and here he comes in with his little vine story.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Every time.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I can tell your vision for the Northern Territory, why
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: don't we get the two klaor and stop many social
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: behavior so.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Can't clarify that on radio. I think it's really important
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: because he's been a broken record on this for the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: last week. I think it's important that people understand drinking
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: in public is illegal. If you look under the Public
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the Liquor Act, it's illegal. It actually specifies that you
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: can't drink in public in.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Dar said enough.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: You cannot drink in public in Darwin, in Alice Springs,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: in Tenant Creek. It names those places you cannot drink
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: in public. The police have the power to come along
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and tip at that alcohol and give you an infringement.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Notice what you're saying, Jared, and telling people that drinking
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: in public is correct is wrong. So don't keep peddling
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: that crap, because that's what it is today. The big
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: is illegal to drink in public spaces in our cities.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Why do we still, like, honestly, I reckon, I've asked
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: every minister this, why do we still see people drinking
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: in public spaces?
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: Because people go ahead and drink in public spaces.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: The police should go along, but they can't be everywhere
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: all the time, Katie. So if you report it that
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the drinking's going on in public spaces, the police can
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: come along and address that issue.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: It's illegal to drink in our towns and cities. It's
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: very very clear in the Act.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: They ignore over there. What they want us to do
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: is to find people. If you find everybody for drinking
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: in a public space, you know what will happen. Our
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: jails will just get more and more fool from people.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: It's not why some people were even questioning with the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: trespass changes that have been announced as well, is what
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: kind of difference are you going to make if we're
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: going to wind up in a bit of a similar
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: situation where people aren't able to pay their fines if
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: they are caught trespassing.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: The difference in the trespass and the really key thing
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: around trespass changes is now you know, if you own
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: the building, Katie, but someone's got a building in that
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: building or a security guard, they can act on your
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: behalf now, whereas a lot of the problem has been
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: that you really need the building owner to do that.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: So we made those changes.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Trespass is still possible, and particularly in places like town
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: camps and Alla Springs, we're working really hard with the
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: town camps to make those effective.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: What that wasn't a question Katos about the money in
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: the fine where they.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Is so there is a fine associated with it now
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: for people that continuously breach.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: That one, that's the question, Well.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Are you advocating that there'd be no fine, because on
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: one side you're saying around the two k or they
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: should be a fine, and then you're saying here oh,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: they should never find a dresspass.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Make up your mind, Jared, So make up your mind.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Well, look, while we're on this, I might actually segue
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to the basketball's anti social behaviors and the fact that
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: they've got some issues there out at basketball with anti
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: social behavior, you know, people rocking up there, young people
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: who aren't actually involved in basketball board ending up there
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and doing the wrong thing. No, I know that we've
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: spoken to we'd spoken to Kerry Savage on the show
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: earlier in the week and shit outlined what they are
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: going to be doing to try and you know, to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: try and minimize this situation. But would it be would
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you be able to you know, for basketball, for example,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: would they be able to issue trespass notices?
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, they can and we're happy to work with them
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: around that. But I think the key is, and you
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: heard Kerry yesterday say that what a fantastic job a
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: government had done in working with them this week. As
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: soon as we became aware of the issue, we've had
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: people go out and engage with basketball and put in
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: place some measures that will work. We're also going to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: start hot spotting through there at the particular times that
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: they've identified that it's an issue. As soon as we've
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: became issue of it, aware of it, we're doing a
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: local solution and that's what we're doing and working with
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: them and there'll be improvements there.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Gents, anything you'd like to say on the basketball situation.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: I really hope it works, but I've got some really
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: concerned about the Labour's policies about crime and our social
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: behavior because I think the crime figures came out just
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: recently Friday. Everything's up under this gun has been in
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: power for six years and all this done is increased
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: crime in our social behavior. So fingers cross it worse
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: because you know, it's affecting territory, it's affecting tourists, but
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: this laborgunment seemed to have failed on that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll work proactively with basketball, and you know, Kerry
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: and I have already.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: Corresponded this week directly.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: We've been supporting basketball for the last twelve months with
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: the salties and obviously we don't want to see that
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: going backwards, and we want to make sure that they
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: can keep as many kids playing.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Basketball as possible.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: So we are as soon as we've become aware of it,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: we've got in there and we're helping them out.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: It should happen to those kids who rock up there
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: to play the actual game, Katie, because as Peter Styles
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: always says, into sport and now of court.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: That's exactly wrong. Yeah, well, look, we will take a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: very short break. You are listening to Mix one O
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was. Look,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: it's been an incredibly busy week in here. It always is.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: One of the things though, that we did speak to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the Chief Minister about on Monday, and Kate, we've certainly
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: spoken to you about this one as well. Is the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: situation in Alice Springs around crime and anti social behavior.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I know that there was a substantial amount in the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: budget as well in this area. The Chief Minister had
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: said on the show on Monday that there are two
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: locations I believe which have been identified as possibilities for
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: youths to potentially be able to go at night time
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: so that they are off the streets. Where is that at?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: So, Katie, this is a body of work that we've
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: been doing, probably for about a couple of months at
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: least now. I think I spoke to you a while
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: back about the early investigations. Because you can't detain young
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: people who haven't done anything, So being out at night,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: although we would see that as probably risky, it's actually
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: not illegal for young people to be out at night time.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: But obviously they get bored and they fall in with
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: wrong groups and then they do bad things.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: We know that and be the subject of a child
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: protection at it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: So that's what we've been working through.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: So just so for those experts sitting here, that would
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: be my first assumption.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: It's just a question.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: So that was my first assumption, and so I asked
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: for that to have be looked at because if you
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: detain a young person that hasn't done anything, in fact,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: that's again to kidnapping.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: And I've said that very clearly.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: So we've been doing a body of work across from
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: police because obviously police would be the ones picking them
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: up right, so and working with territory families. And that's
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the beauty of having both portfolios, is doing a body
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: of work around what can we do. There are a
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: number of places in other springs we already have safe sleeping.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: We already pay for those beds if we need them.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: We don't, and we don't historically really have to have
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to use them because the police and territory families have
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: always been able to find a safe space for young
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: people to be returned to the issue for me is
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: if that young person comes out repeatedly, what then?
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: So we're working through that.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: We are getting to a point now that we'll be
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: able to trial a new.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: System and see how we go.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: We have to tread very carefully, as I said, because
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: you know what's that trigger for a.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: Notification of neglect.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: That's where we're working through, and that works an ongoing
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: body of work. We're talking to the Social Social Order
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Response team in our springs as well around that, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: we'll keep them informed as well.
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: But we will be having a trial at some point.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: All right, So there will be a trial at some point.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: At some point.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: They're not going to advertise when it's going to be,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Katie and all those sorts of things. Because we're dealing
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: with young people here often and from vulnerable family situations
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that Territory Families needs the room to be able to
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: work with those families to identify what the causes are
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: step through process. It doesn't happen immediately, and we need
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: just to be able to have some time to work
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: And look, I think everybody gets that. Nobody is expecting
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you to tell them exactly, you know, where or when
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. But I think what people are
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: after is, you know, that reassurance that there's that there
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: are going to be youth off the.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Streets percent that we are working on a system that
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: can work between police and territory families that doesn't that
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: sees vulnerable young people kept safe, and that I think
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: that's in a nutshell, that's the way we're looking at it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And we'll continue to work on that and get something
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: in place and we trial it. Because you you know
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: those things, You've got to be very very careful of
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the legalities here. As I said, it's not as easy
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: as you know, assuming that we can, you know, take
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: those children off the street and detain them because of neglect.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: That's not simple. That would be again, as I said,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: to kidnapping, and you have.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: To be very careful.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And so then there was also a discussion about these patrols. Now,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I know that Matt Patterson had said to us on
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the show yesterday and he said, hopefully he wasn't sort
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of you know that he wasn't announcing anything that he
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to yet, but he said that I believe
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: that Laura Tippa are going to be starting some of
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: those those patrols.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: So Lura Tipa are already part of it. We've got
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: organized patrols yep.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: So we've got organized patrols, very coordinated through hot spots.
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: That's been going on for a number of weeks now.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: That's being driven by the Social Order or the sort
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: team down in other springs and match chairing that which
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: was great. So the council's really driving that for us,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: meeting to every two weeks to check in and make
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: sure everybody's taking action. And so far that's looking really
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: really good on the ground and people are feeling feeling
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that it's making an impact already.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, I've got a question. If the child's been taken
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: off the parent and is already in care of the minister,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: and then that child then is out in the street
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: and in care and need care again, what happens to
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: that child then, because it's already in the care of
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: the minister. Yeah, there's no other level my understanding what
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: happens with that child when?
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: So these are the very very quick questions that we
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: are working through, and there's some legalities around that jeredory
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: and what are well the legality are. If a child's
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: in the care of the minister, they would be placed
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: with a family generally, and then you would need to
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: work out why that young person was out. Sometimes when
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: the child is returned, the parents actually weren't aware that
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the child was out. You have to do this on
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: an individual, case by case basis. You can't just collect
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: all these kids together and say, oh, they're all.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Out because they houses aren't safe.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: You talk to the people on the ground working for
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: churchy families and police in other springs. They know these kids,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: they know their circumstances, they know any new kids in town.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: So they'll work through that on a one by.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: One basis and make an assessment based on that individual child.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: So you can't just sort of say, oh, what if
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: that kid's in care, it's not that sick.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: There are kids though, that are in what's it called
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: when they're in.
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: Case, Yeah, that's very different circumstances.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: So what happens then if they are on this.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I haven't got any reports that those kids are on
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the streets, so let's you know, let's not go there.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Those kids have got high intensive needs, They are most
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: traumatized children in the North Territory and Life without Barriers.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: And there's one other organization I should know off the
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: top of my head, but I'm going blank here. I
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: work with them intensively to turn those kids around. They've
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: had significant trauma and they are a very different placement
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: to them being.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: Placed same fast foster care. So it would be very
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: unusual that those young people were out.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Well, look, we have run out of time. It is
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: time to wrap up for this morning. It is just
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a few minutes away from ten o'clock. Kate Warden, the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Minister for Territory, Families and Police, thank you so very
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: Thanks Katie, and once again, happy world teachers.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Date to all those teachers, particularly those in Sanderson today,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: have a great day.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: All the wonderful teachers. They do a tremendous job. Matt
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Cunningham from Sky News, great have you on the show.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time today.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Lightee.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, the Deputy Opposition leader, thank you so much
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: for your time today. Thank you and wonderful to have
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: you all in the studio. I'm knocking off now at
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: ten o'clock. I'm off to Sydney for the radio, so
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I will catch you all again on Monday morning. Sarah
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: is going to step in. I might do a quick
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: cross with Sarah after ten o'clock, but Sarah's going to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: step in to do the music shift for us for
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the rest of the show. So thank you all so
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: very much for your company.