Latest / Fandomonium! A Fandom Comedy Game Show / Cast Interviews - Matt Watson: A Life Through Fandom

Transcript

Cast Interviews - Matt Watson: A Life Through Fandom · Fandomonium! A Fandom Comedy Game Show

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, welcome back to our cast interview series. And
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: this is kind of an awkward one to do an
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: introduction for because it's yours truly who is being interviewed.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: I was dreading this all year when Jen pitched the
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: idea of doing the cast interviews. I was so excited
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: about the idea of getting to know more about the
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: wonderful people we've met through podcasting that have joined the
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: cast here at gate Leapers, getting to know extra little
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: things about my friends and the people I surround myself with.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: I thought that was a wonderful idea, and then a
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: few months ago it was pointed out to me that
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: I am also part of the cast. Ah, I said,
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like my idea of a fun time.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: But Audra did an excellent job of getting me relaxed
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: and ready for this interview, which, yeah, it was a
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: lovely conversation we had about a week ago. And oh,
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: I don't need to hype up the person who's being
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: interviewed because it's me and I don't need that ever.
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I might be back with some admin at
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: the end. But oh, here's something I do want to say.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: This Cast Interview series has been wonderful this year. Thank
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: you so much to everyone who has sent a message
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: saying they enjoyed a certain person's interview and they loved
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: getting to know people more. I think it's been a
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: success as a series. Obviously, now the interviews have been done,
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: there won't be so many cast interviews next year, but
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: there will be at least one because regular panelist Caroline
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: or Wila has joined our cast, so that means you'll
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: hear Caroline on a handful of episodes next year. Caroline
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: is so witty and so passionate about so many things.
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: It's a privilege to have her on board. And yeah,
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: looking forward to throwing this same set of questions at
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: her to see what happens there. I'll be back with
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: some more admin at the end, but for now, enjoy
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: this interview that it turns out Ordras better than me interviewing. Surprise, surprise.
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: So here's those chatting about a week ago. Enjoy well,
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: this is adorable me or the tea that I have
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: brewed us you obviously this entire situation, but the tea
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: with a teapot.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, so in front of us, because no one else
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: is here in the room with us. There is a
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: teapot with some tea that I have brewed, white chocolate
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: peppermin It has a little caffeine in there, just because
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: that's okay.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: I've only had one espresso this morning. I can't afford
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: to have a half caffeine.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, two little tea cups and it will be delicious.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: Have you pre warmed these tea cups?
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: I honestly, I'm just so happy you noticed. It's the
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: little thing. It is the things I do them, and
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: you notice them, and you do them, and I notice that. Beautiful, incredible,
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: it's a good system. Let's enjoy this tea. Yea?
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: Should you care pouring?
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll describe the pouring while we both carefully try
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: not to hit boom.
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: Moms, lie, lie, and say that this is good. There's
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: a reason I put a little towel underneath.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, it looks just like in cartoons when characters poor
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: Tea from Ordra was doing it from about what would
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: you say that that five feet in the air.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a great teapot. And that's you can tell
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: because it doesn't have a weird little like liquid motion
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: when you pour it from five feet that's like the
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: bottom level of teapot you should get is five feet
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: of distance with no flash.
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: But that's the bare minimum. That's that should be standard
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: with every modern teapot. Mm hmm oh, I love this
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: so much. I'm gonna I don't think I've tried this
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: one yet, right, I.
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: Think you've smelled it when I have made it, but
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: I haven't made it with like caffeine in it before.
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: So let's find out.
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: Is that good? Shoul we get some good? A sipping
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: sounds gross or a sipping sounds good. We can all
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: edit the male we'll find Yeah, let's find out.
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: M hm, I feel like the aeration the like the
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: first sound I made was good. The me going that
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: one I feel like was bad.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a bit more gross mouth sounds
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: or lovely mouth sounds. You are. I'm not in here
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: to judge, but I am. I am in here to
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: say this tea is delicious. It's so festive and so cozy.
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: Thank you. We need a little bit of the caffeine
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: energy for the record, but a little bit of a
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: soothing vibe. Because last night we did a D and
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: D actual play live show. Yes, we did at the
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: local Improv Theater yeah, at the at the Peak Improv Theater.
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: We did our first like we were on our first
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: show that wasn't like a student show. Yeah, yeah, because
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: we've done student showcases before. We love taking classes there,
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: but this one was the first one where it was
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: an actual, a proper show where people came and paid
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: money to see a show.
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: And according to the words that they said to us afterwards,
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: they had a good time.
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I saw a few new faces there. There
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: was like a lot of the regulars and our fellow
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: students who came out to support us, and that was awesome. Yeah,
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: I reckon there was like what thirty five people then? Yeah,
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: absolutely enough where I felt like, wow, this is a crowd. Yeah,
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: I have to be entertaining.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know most of the people who listen
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: to this are probably not in the Colorado Springs area.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: If you are, check out the Peak Improv Theater. If
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: you are not in this area, check out the Peak
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: Improv Theaters Instagram.
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's that's been such an awesome space. Maybe
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: I'll talk about that later.
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: Actually, maybe i'll Oh my god.
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: Put a pin in. I was about to go off
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: on one.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, your your host is coming through the
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: fact that you are naturally the host of these so
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: I will take that control. You should aggressively take that control.
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: I'm hosting this episode and interviewing you. It doesn't suit
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: me the anger I like it though, thank you, So
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: I will be doing this interview with you.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, I mean I should point out because as
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: you've already mentioned, yes, listeners aren't in the room with us.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: We've sat in opposite seats, so we've we've even taken
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: on the role of like host and guest.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: The dynamic has shifted.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Audra is sat in the match chair mm hmmm,
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm sat in the well, technically I'm sat in
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: the Jason chair, Okay, but that's just because it's the
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: right distance.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it works. Sorry, I'm taking control of this again.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: I need to just I need to just relax. Hey,
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about fandoms. Yes, I'm in charge.
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: What was the first pop culture media that you were
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: obsessed with the type of thing of like VHS, DVD
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: that you couldn't stop watching, book you were reading under
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: the covers, anything that was early memories, uh huh, that
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: you were.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: Obsessed with Okay, we again right right into the questions.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: Now I know how other people feel when they're on
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: the other side of this.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, how does it feel?
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels fine. Actually, yeah, the tea helps, so
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: the tea is lovely. So I think for me, the
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: earliest thing I remember watching on repeat is like the
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: early Pixar films on VHS in the form of like
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: we're talking Your Toy Story, Your Bug's Life, Your Toy
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: Story two, possibly Your Monster sinc. But maybe we're tipping
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: too far into the future, but certainly those three films
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: I remember just most weekends watching. Yeah, most of them.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: Okay. I think that's so fair because those types of
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: films especially are even still good now, like because there's
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: some things that are like, oh, I was obsessed with
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: this when I was younger. I wouldn't go back, can
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: watch it now? Toy Story like absolutely.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't watch it every week anymore, but
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: every other week. Every other week, yeah, every other week.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: But those that is such a good Those are such
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: good early fandoms because there is so much to pull
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: out of them, even though they are directed it kids.
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: There is so much to pull out.
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's why I'm an existentialist who's obsessed
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: with workers, right, yeah, because that's like that's toy story
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: one and two.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: Then you've got the colony events rising up against the grasshoppers.
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: And if that's that's not a metaphor for for workers right,
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: for everything? Yeah, for our current system. Then I don't
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: know which.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: Picks our film do you think encouraged you to go
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: into podcasting?
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: Wait, which is the one where the little kid is podcasting?
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: It's probably that one?
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, probably, but.
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, those are the those are the films I remember,
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: just like I'm talking like five, six, seven years old,
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: just being like, hm, I must rewatch these These are incredible.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: My brain feels happy when yeah, I'm hitting familiar beats
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: and I can learn this script.
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, and kind of like before you really understand what
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: like it is to be a fan of a thing,
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: mm hmm, it's to be like, oh, yeah, Pixar movies
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: come out, and then I'm gonna check up and see,
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: oh when's the next Pixar. It's before that, it's just
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: a pure joy.
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: It's it's just wow. Look at Wood he go as
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: an adult, You're like, what he's kind of an asshole. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: he is a kid.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: You're like, wow, no, But that's why it's such a
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: good movie, and why the Pixar films are so good
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: just in general is as a child you can get
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: something out of it, and as an adult you can
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, yeah, he really needed growth.
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yeah, one hundred percent that cowboy needed to grow, yeah,
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: because he was only tall inches tall.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: So those are the types of things that when you're
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: that age, you're going home, you're watching movies, you're hanging
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: out in your house. What do you think was the
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: first fandom as a group that you engaged with people
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: coming together like message boards or collecting something with someone
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: at school. Fandom is a form of connection. Yeah, I
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: think the first time that was engaged with. So I
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: can think of a couple of things. I mean, I'm
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: of that generation where Pokemon cards. Yeah, and I know
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: I join in with the jokes of like parents banning
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: things like Pokemon and stuff. My embargos on things they
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: genuinely lasted like three to six months. I was on
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: like a three to six month delay behind the rest
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: of the kids that school I was supposed to. It
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: was yeas what else were the types of things that
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: were embargoed.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: I mean Pokemon was the big one, because I remember
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: it being the craze of what everyone was getting into
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: and connecting with people of like trading cards and swapping yeah,
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: swapping cards at school. But it was it was like
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: anything like witchcrafty like yep, like like Harry Potter was banned.
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: But even then it was just like I think it
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: was just until my parents could read the books themselves
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh, these are just stories.
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: Which which does feel more reasonable, like a bit, I'm
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: gonna hold off until I engage with this. It doesn't
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: feel reasonable as a child.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: No, and it yeah, it's it. I don't know. I
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: feel I feel bad complaining about it because it was
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: it was just like a mild delay that I felt
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: like I was only behind my pea is a little
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: bit whereas you it was a lot worse.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I can engage with whatever media I
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: want to, and I live a wonderful life.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's ultimately fine.
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: I get to experience all of these things with childlike
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: wonder and adult wallet, so it's fine. So what are
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: the types of things I think you were You were
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: saying Pokemon cards, et cetera. For things that you could
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: eventually get into.
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, so my mum was a was a childminder growing up,
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: so like in house collective nanny. Yes, what that would
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: mean is there'd be lots of kids in our house
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: after school. So it's it's why I value alone time
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: so much now as an adult. And the big thing
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: with all of us would be Lego. We'd we'd play
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: with Lego sets, we'd build original things, we'd build pre
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: established things like Star Wars Lego and stuff like that.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: So Lego was the first time, I mean, Lego was
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: how I connected with my sibling of other things, but
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: then that expanded to we now have all of these
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: other kind of siblings in our house. We have all
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: these kids that need taken care of, who were who
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: were in our house, and so Lego was our way
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: of communication, and so we shared that way of communicating.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: If you weren't into Lego, you are now into Lego
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: because you have no choice playing with But fortunately Lego's
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: fun for everyone, so absolutely, especially at that age.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: And you highlighted that there's a lot of different ways
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: that you can play with Lego, not sponsored by the
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: way if they want to sponsor us, that'd be great.
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can can say at this point, Actually, we sort
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: of act as a commercial for every single one of
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: these fandoms every time we do a game show. I
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: think we should be sponsored.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: A big fandom needs to sponsor to sponsor us, actually,
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: but for Lego specifically, you mentioned a lot of things
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: that I think are really cool in the sense of
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: how Gateleapers works in the sense that there is you're
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: playing with things as they are out of the box,
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: or you're creating something new, like on your own and
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: with other people, and so it's it hits all of
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: those same really cool things about fandom of like you're
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: making a new game out of a pre established fandom. Yeah,
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: and it's enjoyable for the people who are listening to
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: it on their own, and it's so enjoyable to record
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: on all these episodes. I think that is such a
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: cool thing of the types of things we enjoyed then
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: and now.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I really don't want to be alone and
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: I do actually want to be with people all the time.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go when it's your choice. Yeah, did
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: you have a favorite Lego set? Oh? Those times?
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Good question. I mean there was a big deal over
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: us getting the attack of the Clones Republic Gunnership of
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: getting that as like a I think it was a
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: joint present. I think it was we got the Republic
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: Gunnership because it was like the most expensive I mean,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: now they make Lego that's like five hundred dollars, but insane.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: I think at the time this was the equivalent of
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: a one hundred dollar set, So it'd be like a
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: two hundred dollar set by today's yeah standards, I'm using dollars.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: It was pounds.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Obviously, No your family came over here bought it in dollars,
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: it would have been cheaper. Yeah, I think I think
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: that speaks a little bit too, the thing of now
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: they have all these Lego sets that are so expensive.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: I think that speaks to the fact that we're not
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: the only ones with adult wallets and enjoyment of those things.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, very cool, but that's good. But at the time,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: those sets, and especially for kids, those types of big sets. Oh, yes,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: a nine year old in to me insane, You didn't like,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like I would not have been able to
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: comprehend that much Lego.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's how I felt.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, how long do you think it took you
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: to do it? Did you space it out or did
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: you just did you two just absolutely blitz it?
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: I reckon, we probably just went for it. I reckon.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: We were just like this. Look, if we want to
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: see this in all its glory, we need to get
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: to work and stick these bricks together.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta go. Okay, you're gonna sort and I'm
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: gonna and I'll put together this page.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Actually, while we're talking about Star Wars, Lego and specifically
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Attack of the Clones, can I tell the story about, Yes,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: that time at Lego Land.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm gonna preface this. My husband was cheated and
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I have beef with Lego Land.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I like it. That's a good setup. So I was
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: probably around about nine and was a Lego Land in England.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Lego Lands here as well, I think, so, Yeah, this
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: was assuming so Lego Land.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Times Square has got to have a Lego Land. Surely
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: somewhere near Disney's probably got a Lego Land if they
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: need to have one. The Mall of America probably has
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: a Lego Land.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure this is like a full big theme park,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: but it's Lego Hell. And they were doing like this
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: competition to win a box of one hundred Clon Troopers
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: where it was like, you get your own army of Clons,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: which circle two thousand and two. Yes please, yeah, I
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: need that so all my Jedi can fight them. Yes,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: well not yet actually, because or to sixty six hadn't
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: been an issue to see. I do know about Star Wars,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: and they were doing a competition where if you could build,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: if you could reach into the box and build ten
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Clon Troopers in a minute, he won the box, And
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: in hindsight, I think it's like one of those carnival
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: games where you're not supposed to win and no one's
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: ever supposed to win it. But I would like obsessively
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: take apart and reattach minifigures in particular, like with Lego,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: there was just a great joy I got out of,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: like sliding the pieces and having them connect real fast
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and then just taking them apart again.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I would like speed running Lego basically.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would do it as like a fidget
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: distraction thing, uh huh. And so I thought, yeah, and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not the kind of person who would normally like
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I've never been the kind of person who's like oh,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: someone's running a contest. I'm gonna go take parts.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go win this thing. I'm gonna go kick
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: everyone else's but I can.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I've never once put my hand on a car like this,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: never happened. That's not who I am. So I was like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I've got a shot at this, I'm gonna do it,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and I did it with like half a second to spare.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: And then the probably in hindsight like nineteen year old
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: who was running it, but in my eyes was like
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: this thirty year old gatekeeper just closed up the box
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and went, no, you didn't win, let's go, and then
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: just like walked away.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Hey, if you worked at Lego Land in the UK
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: in what year was it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: This two two thousand and two, maybe two thousand three.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And you're listening to this, you better hope I don't
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: find you. That's it probably was exactly as you said,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: that type of carnival game system where you're not supposed
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: to win. The system just wasn't ready for your level
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: of skill. Yeah, yeah, it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Just will go with that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, happy with that headline. It's not like this is
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: not on you. This is on the cism.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: The system is wrong and this is why I don't
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: trust the system.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I can absolutely believe that you could do that one
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: hundred percent within the correct time. Thank you, Because we
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: have done challenges with some of our friends, many many
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: of the people who are on gate leapers of putting
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: together Lego sets blindfolded, where one of us has to
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: describe how to put together the Lego set, what piece
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: goes where, and the other one is blindfolded. We were
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: really good yeah at me explaining what the Lego pieces were,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, yeah, I can do this. I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: think at the end it was just like, okay, so
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: these six pieces are a tree. Yeah, and you just
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: did it blindfolded, and so I believe. I believe you.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: My fingers are just just have muscle memory for those
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: little tiny bricks. Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I love it because that means that we get to
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: get Lego now as adults, all those cool sets.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But it'll cost you the price of a real house
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to get, Oh my god, house these days in.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: This economy, we might as well build a new house
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: out of Lego. Am I right?
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: It's funny because the housing market's bad and.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Lego is expensive. That's why it's funny. So we know
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: that Lego has followed through this time. But if we're
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: progressing linearly, as we tend to do with time, Sure,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: what about your teen years? Was that anything you are
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: so into in your teen years? Was it important to
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you that the people around you were also into it
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: or knew that this was a part of you. Is
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: there anything that's cringey now?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Probably so much. There's so much that I probably should
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: find cringy. But I engage with cringe in a way that, well,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I have to otherwise I'll have a breakdown. But I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: engage with cringe in a way that's like, this is
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: just growth. This is if I look back at that
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: time and I'm like, I would never make those choices again,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that means growth has place.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love that mindset. And as someone who also
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: struggles with like, oh, no cringe, I heard someone say
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: who knows who, but that cringe. The risk of cringe
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: is the price you pay, Yeah for art or for
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: like doing this thing that you enjoy, for the joy
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: that you will experience in this space.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: You have to push through it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it might happen. It's like a small percentage
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: of chance that there's going to be a cringey thing
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that happens, but there's a really big chance you're going
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to enjoy yourself. Yeah, it worth it every time.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So I'll share a story that might induce cringe in
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: people listening, where they'll be like, oh, no, that should
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: be cringey, but I was pretty proud of it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Heck ya.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: So you know when you're in like I think we
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: did it in English class, but I assume it could
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: be in a few different subjects. But where you give
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a presentation on something, yes, you're asked, you're given free
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: reign over pretty much anything that you want to give
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: a presentation on, and most people choose either, like the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: real nerds will choose like a part of another subject
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: that they've wanted to talk more about or learn more about,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and then sort of like the that's not real slackers.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: They'll do like their last vacation, or they're like some
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: kind of like a family member, maybe something something like that.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I did mine on the first season of the hit
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: show Lost Yes, where I just essentially stood at the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: front of a room and told my peers about my
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: special interest for ten minutes straight. Because at the time
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I was upset when that came out, I was probably
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: like twelve thirteen, and I was just obsessed with everything
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: about it. I was like, I didn't know TV could
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: be this. I didn't know a narrative could hang so
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: many mysteries but still be about characters. And so I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: just like told the class about all the characters. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I'd also just that past summer bought a book that
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: was like Lost in Philosophy that was just had already
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: been published on like the first It was like a
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: thirteen year old I was like, and it's good because
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they're actually talking about God.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is so cool, this is okay. You're saying
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that people at home, oh listening to this might might
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: cringe at this. This is so good because my equivalent
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: was Jackie Chan movies nice.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: This is why we were meant to write each other.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, because that was my equivalent, and there I did
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: not have any philosophy discussion in mine. Mine was just
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think I can talk about the Drunken Master
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: because that's about because that is drunkenness.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Yours is way cooler, whereas mine was just saying four eight, fifteen, sixteen,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: twenty three, forty two, over and over again.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, that is so that is so stinking cool,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and I I don't think it's cringey.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I think imagine if you were in Imagine if you
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: were a school bully and in the class at the time.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Though, Well, those school bullies should have maybe watched Last.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe they should.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Have listened to you.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: You ended up watching Last.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe they should have listened to you.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they maybe they'll have learned the lessons have lost,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: which is, don't go back in time and find yourself
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: on an island.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I guess take from it what you will.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what the philosophy has said anyway.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And then I guess I should I suppose I should
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: mention the sort of like lifelong obsession that started in
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: my teen years, albeit it was I got I got
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: into pro wrestling like pretty late. Oh, I'm of the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: age where I should have, as like a seven eight
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: year old, been watching like the Attitude era HM of WWE,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: But we couldn't afford those chat those TV channels that
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: wrestling was on, so I didn't get into it until
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I was like watching it around friend houses around about fifteen.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Nice and the first time I watched like a full
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: i'd seen like the occasional match of pop culture reference.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was it was quite prevalent at that time.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and sort of I've been aware of it as
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a thing, but watching a full WrestleMania from start to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: finish for the first time, it's like a part of
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: my brain was unlocked in terms of like so many
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: things that I'd been enjoying at the time, in terms
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of just like I don't know, live theater and just
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like freaking action stuff and philosophy and philosophy which you could,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of course can incorporate into wrestling, but I'm not going
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to now. It was just my It just opened my
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: eyes now as like, wow, this is the best way
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to tell stories ever. Like this is because a big
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: thing for me is like a story should obviously be good,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: but a sign of a good story is that the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: maximum number of people have taken it in and registered
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: it and understood it, and they can then interpret it
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in whichever way they want to interpret it. But it's
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: been registered by the most people. And pro wrestling is
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: just how do we very quickly communicate a story. We
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: have five seconds to say the right thing, or do
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the right pose, or to let someone know if the
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: good guy's winning or the bad guys win.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's such a cool form of communication in
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the sense of sometimes, like they have promos, you can
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: talk and you can kind of explain what's happening, but
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: in the ring you're not necessarily getting dialogue. Yeah, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: so how do you communicate us like the narrative story
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: beats through physicality in a way that is so clearly
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: understood by people of so many different age groups and whatnot, Like,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: how do you have this understood by so many people
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and they freaking do it? Yeah, that's so cool. I
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: was wondering when you had gotten into wrestling, because in
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: my mind it just been I don't know, I think
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you just like popped out the womb with one of
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: those like John Cena belts, the one that's spun. Yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I just think that you, like it hadn't been invented
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: yet at the time that you were born.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: But anyone who like knows me, I like that would
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: be my assumption if I'm looking at myself from the outside.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, if you were an entity outside of yourself
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: observing yourself.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like it's always been within me. Uh,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: has been this like fandom obsession with pro wrestling.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It's just it's always been within me, and I just
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: can't stop thinking everyone technically has herpes virus. It just
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't like it kick in like it's always been inside me.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I only thought was like, herpees.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Have given me like four hundred and seventy five guesses
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: as to what had made you giggle and laugh then,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and I would not have guessed the herpies fives. I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: love pro wrestling. I always will. I don't watch it
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: as much as I used to do because there's just
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: not as much time as I would like there to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: be in the day. But AW is always fun and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: WrestleMania will always hold a special place in my heart.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Do you remember anything in particular from that specific WrestleMania
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: or just the feeling that you.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Felt watching it? It was broadly the feeling that I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: felt watching it. For any wrestling fans, it was WrestleMania
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: twenty five, which featured the Undertaker versus Sean Michaels in
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a credible match, which was what made me realize, oh wow,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: this is storytelling.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Like and I wasn't watching then, but I know about
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: that match.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: There we go, so it's a bigin but I can't,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I can't lie. The The funniest thing to me and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: the think one of the things that won me over
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: was there was there was an act that was a
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: father and son duo in k fabe of a man
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: from Northern Ireland called Finley, who they'd coded very Irish Okay,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: not Northern Irish Okay, who had a leprechawn son Okay,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: was played by a micro wrestler called Hornswaggle Okay Okay.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And so it was just the ridiculousness of that as
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: well as the just total misappropriation of Irish culture that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: like got.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Me the dichotomy of the two types of things where
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: it's like this incredible Sean Michael's Undertaker narrative storytelling, but
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: also on the same card as something as wild as that.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And that's the that's the high end the law culture,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: which is ultimately what I'm looking for in almost everything.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Like I think things that are pure high culture suck,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and I think things that are pure law culture suck.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I think the things that try to ride the wave
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in between, which is most of the things we cover
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: on gate Leapers, Yeah, is the sweet spot. That's why
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: it's based Also excellent job about twenty seconds ago when
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you were just chatting and pouring at the same time.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I did work at a tea shop for three years,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and so I do feel I feel like that's one
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: of my skill sets. It is is uh talking and
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: poor and talking and portant. I was trying to come
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: up with some kind of combination of like spilling the
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: tea but pouring the tea. But this hasn't been a
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: very gossip heavy episode, and so yes, oh my god,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: what are we getting into now? I'm not sure if
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: this is going to be any of the fandoms we
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: have covered already, But what has been your what's your
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: comfort media? Like the macaroni and Cheese. I could always
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: watch this, This brings me, brings me comfort, cozy so's.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: There's probably a lot of things. I'll mention the couple
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of seasonal things that we're about to go into. We
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: watched the lot of the Rings films. Yeah, every Thanksgiving
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and we watch them up It's Christmas Carol every Christmas.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I struggle as an adult to like rewatch things a lot. Yeah,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I have to really think about it because I think
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I did it so much as a kid, rewatching the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: same things, like I said those pixel movies. Same that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: There's kind of a thing that I need to give
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: myself grace on where I tell myself, why are you
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: watching an old thing? You should be using this time
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to expand your horizons and watch something new. Well, you
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: know what, it's not always good to expand your horizons.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: You heard it from me.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't need to be productive in your media choices.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm trying to get better at that. We're
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: rewatching twin Peaks the Return at the moment. Yeah, yeah,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: that's partly for gate leapers. But there is one thing
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that I can always guilt free put on and watch
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and probably do it every two to three years. Peep Shore, the.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Sitcom pea sure, I thought this might be if wrestling
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: was mentioned earlier, I thought this one might be Peep Show.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's an amazing sitcom. If you've not seen it,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: watch it. The gimmick is that a lot of it
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: is point of view camera shots and internal monologues of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the two characters, who are just your classic odd couple
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: tailors old as time, two roommates who can't stand each
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: other but also love each other. And it's such a
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: relaxing show. Even if it can be very sort of
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: stressful or socially embarrassing, there are lots of like very
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: awkward moments that it builds to.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Olivia Coleman is brilliant in it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Olivia Coleman is fantastic, uh huh. And despite all that awkwardness,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: it's there's something about the rhythm of the dialogue. It's
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: from the writer of Succession. So if you're familiar with Successions,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: rhythm of how it's just talk talk talk. Characters are
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: always like twenty five percent wittier than anyone would ever
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: be in real life, and there's just this baseline of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: witticism throughout the whole thing. Yes, I find that very
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: rhythmically relaxing.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't wanna. I don't want to make it
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: too snooty, but it that type of dialogue. Who is
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: it that is Succession? Jesse Armstrong, Jesse Armstrong. I don't
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: want to blow so much smoke up his ass, but
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I will.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: He's very talented, he's really very talented.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: But it's the type of thing that hits my brain,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that type of like rhythm is when I hear I
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: ambic pentameter, I'm like, oh no, this just is so
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: good in this type of way. But like that is
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a little bit more like the classical style of things,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: and then this is just a little bit more of
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: a modern type of musicality almost in the rhythm and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: the wit and like the way that it hits and
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: feels really comfortable but engaging. Yeah, is a really cool thing.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I think about succession and especially Peep Show.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the Jesse Armstrong way. And like
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Sam Baine wrote Peep Show with Jesse Armstrong, I feel
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: like I should say that, And so it's not just
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: he was he was co writ around peep Yeah.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And we're co blowing smoke up both of their asses.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, both very talented people.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love that you've brought Peep Show into my
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: life and I can now watch it with you. Yes,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: in the modern day. Speaking of the modern day, Oh damn,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I'm good at segues. What are the types of things
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: or what are your current obsessions? What are the current
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: favorite fandoms or communities that you're a part of, since
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: that that's one of the great things about fandom, is
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: both the media property and the community that you're a
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: part of.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I've got two answers for this, So I'm going
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to say my evergreen one first and then go into
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: the current one.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I'll allow it this time for this interview.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Next time we do all these interviews, one answer only.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I'm never doing another interview again.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: You hear it, heard it here first.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: So my evergreen fandom that I love just reading discussions
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: of online is it's twin Peaks. I've already mentioned it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: It was a natural evolution after being obsessed with Lost.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Lots of people on like online forums at the time
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: would be like, oh, if you're looking for something to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: watch while Lost isn't on anymore, like twin Peaks, watch
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: twin Peaks. It's amazing. It's got the same kind of
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like expansive mystery thing. And I just ignored all of
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: those probably middle aged men online. But then as soon
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: as like artsy cool hip people that I wanted to
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: be friends with we're talking about twin Peaks, I was like,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I must consume twin Peaks. Now is the time and
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: consume it. You have and I have and I continue
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to do so. And I mean, the beautiful thing about
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: David Lynch stuff is it can be interpreted in so
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: many different ways. The art is the art. It's there
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to be observed and interpreted wherever you want. That's kind
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: of the beauty of the narrative of Twin Peaks. So
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: because of that, when you go online, everyone has lots
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: of different readings about what certain things could mean, connections
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: to be made, evidence for and against certain things being
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: official law or the correct canon. There shouldn't ever be
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a correct answer. There should only ever be offerings of
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: your own interpretation. And that's what I love about it
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: is every time I revisit that world and then check
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: out the subreddit or check out a couple of the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: big forums, there's a new fan theory, there's a new
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: reading of it, there's a new understanding of the media.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And that's like there aren't many texts that can do that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: There are lots of texts that have a set reading
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: or se multiple interpretations, but very few have this evolving reading.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And I am, by no means a media critic or
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: like a film buff discuss the themes no file. Yeah,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not really that much, but nothing makes me feel
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: more like that than watching and discussing Twin Peaks, Because,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: as you said, there isn't necessarily always an answer. Yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of pieces that are at play, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh, I liked how this connected with
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: this connected with this, and I'm like, oh, that's a theory. Yeah,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: that's a thing. That's a look, You've spotted a potential
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: thematic thread. And it's so cool because you said there's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: like online and the theories of seeing how people put
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: things together. It's both entry level and can get deep.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's what I love about it is
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: it's if you've ever wanted to experiment with using film
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: studies and media studies words, Twin Peaks is a great
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: place to start because while like a Tarantino or a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Nolan and their fans will say, no, this is the
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: this is the message I wanted to send, this is
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: what I wanted to convey, and here's what I was doing.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: When you asked David Lynch the same question, He's like,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you're sweeten. The art
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: is the art that is off puttingly good. David Lynch,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: thank you with a reason to do the voice for
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a quick fire around at.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Some point yep, oh gosh, yes, So.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: That's that's Twin Peaks it's always fascinating to be in
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that fandom and to be a part of it, to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: add to the conversation and the discussions. But at the moment,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: it's got to be improv comedy and live comedy and
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: everything we're doing at the Peak Improv Theater. Yes, it
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: really feels like everything we've done in the last few
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: years with gate Sleepers is like, I mean, not led
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: to this, but okay for some context for anyone who
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: we've not spoken to. Yeah, a genuinely warm and welcoming
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: community comedy space has opened up around the corner from us.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: We can walk to it and be there in four minutes.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in fate or serendipity, but it's just wow.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: But I'm tempted to start, I know, right. And it's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: basically been everything we've we've been a fan of and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: that we've tried to recreate with Gateleepers. The teachers there
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: have been doing it as improv, as formatted shows in
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: some cases podcasts and media and they've just been doing
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: it and so they have this wealth of knowledge that
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: we can just go there and we're learning new things constantly,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: which in turn feeds into improving the game on our podcast.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: We get to perform there to the regular crowd and community,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and it's just, I don't know, it's it's been I
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to do that thing that like all Americans
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: are doing right now where it's like, oh, it's just
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: been an election and it's maybe not gone the way
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: that most of us have wanted to and all that
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But it's been really good during that
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: time to be grounded in like a local community of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: people who just want to make things and make people
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: laugh and put on shows. Yeah, it's it's beautiful. Yeah.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: It it reminds me of the phrase like joy is
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: an act of resistance, Yes, and so it's the thing
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: of there is that is so cool to have a
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: space that is full of makers, because I think that
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: people who want to make things, who have that drive
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: to make things like that is a feeling that is
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: like no other. And so to have a group of
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: those people who want to make joy.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so freaking cool. And yeah, speaking of the makers,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: that's it feels like that's what we're so lucky with
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: here at gate Leapers and the little group that we've
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: gotten together who regularly make podcasts with us is everyone's
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a creative, everyone wants to make stuff.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the same things that I felt
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: so overwhelmingly when we first started connecting with people through podcasting,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: like the gate Leapers cast in particular, of just these
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: people across the country and outside of the country. Uh
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: huh that just have such a passion for the same
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: types of things that we do in such a just
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: so cool and kind Yeah.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: And just yeah, having this like now local community with
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: comedy and always of having had a community through podcasting,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just feeling so full and like rich.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like my life is enriched by the people
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: who surround me. And that's like a I don't know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: it's a very privileged position to be in, like uh huh.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And yeah, if it's not too cheesy to say, I
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: hope I'm enriching some things back because people give in
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: me a lot.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you are. I enjoy doing Gaateleaper
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: so much, and I enjoy doing all of the creative
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: projects that we do here.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It's a good time in it it is. It's a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: bit of fun. It's just a bit of fun and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: distraction from it all.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I think that us all having found each other,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: we can continue to make really fun things.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Amen.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Amen.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Wow, we're saying amen again.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I say amen a lot for someone who is not
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: religious in any way. So that was so, that was
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: so wonderful and kind. Let's take a hard pivot.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, I kind of need to actually yeh yeah, ye.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Let's bring bring you back down to life, down to earth.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Down down to life, down to earth, down to earth life.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, what is the fandom that maybe you liked at
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: one point in time but you're now kind of conflicted about?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Do I still like this? How do I feel for
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: any for any particular reason? Oh?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I know, I know what the answer to this.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, I didn't have to give you any more information.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what the answer to this is because
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I'm currently going it's my every three to four years,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: currently going through it. Uh huh. Here's a curve ball
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: based on my interests. Oh my gosh's just every everything
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: else that I've mentioned and that people know about me.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Husband of several years surprise me, Oh, you won't be
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: surprised by Okay, that's fine. I'm actually pretty solid at
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: and I'm quite into call of duty. Ah yeah, you're right,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: that does not surprise me. So when did you get
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: into Call of Duty? Tell me about your conflicted So.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just that right generation where Modern WARF, the original
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: told Duty four to some people came out in like god,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I can't even remember the like two and seven thousand
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and eight around about that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels right, And it was just.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: At the point where like people had an Xbox three
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: sixty Xbox Live was the thing, and it's now you
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: can chat to your friends outside of school in a
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: way that is an MSN messenger. Yes, we can all
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: like the boys can get together to play a game
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: being a lobby and slay Slay slay some American teenagers.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: We were British teenagers. Yes, it's just now I'm a
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: British adult slaying American teenagers. But like I'm not. I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: used to play it every year. I used to get
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the new Call of Duty. Eventually I fell off of that,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: but it's such a good way to stay in touch
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: with my boys back home in the UK. It's it's
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: a thing we've been into. We play other games, especially
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the last few we've enjoyed Boulder's Gate and The Likely,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: but we always kind of come back to call of
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: duty every few years because we kind of have the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: craving to just like team up, squad up, talk strats,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: do the call outs. Yeah, kick some. I mean at
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the moment, there's a lot of people because this is
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: why it's embarrassing, is because the call of duty community
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: is full of the alt right neo Nazis be the.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Change you want to see in the world, exactly all
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: out in the call of duty world.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I can't go out and shoot Nazis
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: without serious repercussions. That he debates over what a Nazi is? Yeahs,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: because we've thrown out all dictionary definitions.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: What do we what do words mean? What does any
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: word mean? What am I saying?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Now, sometimes that's a good thing and sometimes that's a
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: bad thing. So you can't you can't do that without repercussions.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: But in call of duty, if there's if you're against
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a full team that has like Maga as their klan tag,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: everyone just steps up and like, yeah, knows that, Like
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: we've got to win this fight because we got to, well,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you gotta stump some.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Nazis, yep, I have to make their day a little bit.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Worse and look, am I some kind of am I
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: gonna be viewed as some kind of pretender when jen
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Alpha are off going off to war to fight actual Nazis,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Am I gonna have to be like, oh yeah, well,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: as a millennial, I used to do this online on
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Xbox Live.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I did my part.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, basically, yes, I run the risk of it
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: turning into that, but for now, it's like, I cringe
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: at it. I hate the fandom, I hate the language
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: of it all. It's got ties to the US military
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: industrial complex. It's my shadow side. I hate that I'm
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: connected to it, but I love who I can connect
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: to through it.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's cool. I do see. I see
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: your conflict. I see I see why, But I do
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I do agree the fact that I did you moved
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: over here from the UK into like new groups of friends,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: leaving so many people behind. And the fact that the
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: modern gaming or I guess not even modern warfare gaming
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: fifteen fifteen years ago, modern warfare gaming can still be
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: used to stay in touch and to like regularly know
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: what's going on in people's lives and enjoy time together.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I get why you're conflicted, I get why you still
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: love it. It makes sense.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: We could we couldn't do play better games, but we
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: should always play better games the worst. We're just good
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: at it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, fight us. So what last question? Yes,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: last dish last is question, what is a fandom or
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: media property you want to get into but just have
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: not done that?
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: It's interesting and a few other people gave this answer
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: as well, and I'm my instinct is to say it
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: of just like I don't want to get into something,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I get into it, like if I like the things
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I like, I don't like the things I don't like.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Having said that, if I think about it properly, if
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I had, I'm gonna give the same answer that Ben
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: gave on his episode It's Warhammer forty k. Yeah, if
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I had infinite time, money, and talent, I would love
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to sit down, open the box, glue those guys together,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: paint them up real nice, and send my army into
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: battle against another army after we've built all the scenery.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: That would be a very relaxing day to me in
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: terms of the variety of activities that happened there. Yeah,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I just don't have the I think part of it
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: is attention span mm hmm. But I think a lot
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: of its bandwidth is it's a it's quite an involved
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: hobby where it's not just the making of something, but
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: it's the playing of something.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That is that is such a good way
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: to describe it. I think an involved hobby because when
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I was thinking through all of those different elements, it's
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the money of the buying of the things, and then
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the time to put them together and the time to
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: paint and to get good at painting.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: And that is a whole hobby, so.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: You don't embarrass yourself in front of all the other
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: boys at the store at the game.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Yes. And so then there's also you mentioned the map
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the like battle maps. That is a full hobby, Like
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: people do model railways and like model Christmas towns and
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. That's a full hobby. Yeah, that's a
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: whole other thing. And then the gaming aspect of the
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: game play, that is with both of those two hobbies,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: you combine that into a third full hobby.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: With a quite crunchy set of rules.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I do. I absolutely get that. And
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: if you do ever get into it, and Ben ever
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: gets into it, you'll have you'll have a friend.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. We can get start a sets and yeah, yeah.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do, I do completely understand. I think
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: that's probably one of the most reasonable ones for I
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: think this question in general, because every single moment is
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: so cool. Henry Cavill does.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: This, Yeah, it's it's very anti fascists in its subtext
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and in its over text, like.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: The lore, because there is lore. That's another There's a
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: fourth hobby is the fact that there is a whole Lore's.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: There's so much lower to dive into. Gosh, and I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: might watch like some of any forty kam media that
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: gets produced as in terms of like TV shows, films up,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I might watch it like to another hobby world, but
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: then I probably won't get into the actual thing because
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: just bandwidth.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if if it wasn't for the curse of when
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you get older your hands get shaky and less steady,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: it would be the perfect retirement hobby to look forward
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: to the way that so many of our predecessors, well
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: not mine, but middle class predecessors would be like, I'm
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: going to get a speedboat and that's going to be
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: my thing in retirement, or I'm going to get really
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: into rocks, or I'm going to get into model trains
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: that were mentioned. Yea, forty K seems like a perfect
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: thing for like a bunch of sixty pluses to get into.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love I love that. I don't
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: know when this first started, like forty K, but I
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: do love the idea that in retirement homes, things like
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: d and d yes will be so common because like,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: my grandma had a Domino's club.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I thought, you're going to say your grandma played DNA.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: No, it was the devil's work.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: She never want to touch that does.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: The dominoes m she would fuck with dominoes? Yeah, But
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: like I love the idea of those types of things
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: where you get to the retirement age and these retirement communities,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: and I love the idea that it's just going to
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: be Warhammer because it's all that type of age where
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: you would get into model trains and looking at because
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I've looked a little bit into like scenery making for
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: like battle boards and whatnot, and the overlap between the
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: people building those boards and the model train community. That's
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: a big overlap, yeah, being like how would I make
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: these trees for this battle board? The model train community
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: knows how? Yeah, And so I love that idea of.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Just retirement homes, retirement homes with like old people saying
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: things like.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: So, I'm gonna get my five hundred point Tyrannid army
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to put it against your chaos space marines. No, no, no,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: they'd be on the same side.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: We're doing an alternate universe. I told you that.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: When do my necrons come into.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: This and then I come in with the Middle Earth
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Strategy Battle game? No one lets me play.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Just You'll be part of the people refusing to let
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: that game die. Yeah, it's my theory that that get
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: this is just a sidebar. I cut this.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I think that. I think that game needs to die
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: so that a new one can rise up. Oh from it.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's like suspended in this like high brow,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: weird tear of uh huh right now. But yeah, forty
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: k what's that all about? Why is it forty thousand?
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It's probably forty thousand years in the future, now that
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I think about it.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Gosh, the lore is so rich, incredible. That is so reasonable.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I I'm glad it's reasonable. Yeah, I mean to me,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: which honestly, I think I'm one of the only people.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: It needs to be reasonable too. Now let's undermine the
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: whole process. Ah, yes, this format point. Yes, if you
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: could summarize for me which Freeanchise media property defined each
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: decade of your life so far, childhood, teens, twenties, thirties,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Ta dah.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: That is interesting because I've thrown out a lot of things.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: You have thrown out a lot of things.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Obviously, lots of things could go places. But if I
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: am to simplify it, probably Lego covers a lot of
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: things in my childhood. So I'm probably gonna say Lego
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: because that spans lots of different things. I genuinely think
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: there were other things. But for about two to three
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: years straight I was obsessed with Lost, and that was
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: during the peak teen Yes, I'm gonna say Lost twenties.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I'll probably say pro wrestling, just because that sustained and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: continued if you're a pro wrestling fan. Listened to ten XT,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: an NXT history podcast where we look back at sorts
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: of NXT from ten years ago. That week, do it
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: little plug there, and then like now at the age
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: of thirty one, I'm going to say the community of
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: creative and passionate people that we are lucky enough to
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: be a part of mostly through gate leapers, also just
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: through podcasting in general, and now live improv comedy. Yeah,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: that's my love right now.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Heck, yes, gosh, that's so friggin' beautiful. Oh, thank you
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: so much for letting me interview you.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad we finally did it. Yes, I didn't
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: want to peek behind the screen. I didn't. I kind
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: of didn't want to because I don't think I'm interesting
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: like all of you guys are.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I think you're interesting, and I think the people who
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: listen to this will think that you're interesting.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'd already mind about that.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: So you don't have to think you're interesting.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, good, because I don't.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: That's not a requirement. I have had a wonderful time.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. This has been great, The tea
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: has been great, the conversation has been spectacular. Thank you
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: so much for all you do making games and creating
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: a space for so many people to have a great
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: frickin' time.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, always, it's the most fun in the world.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: It all I wants to do. There we go, there,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: it was I hope the three people who requested that
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: interview are happy I did it. I left out so
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: many things as well. That's the wild thing of you
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: can only fit so many things in an hour of conversation.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I know the rest of the cast felt the same way.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: But this series has been a lot of fun. Thank
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: you so much for listening. As for what's coming up,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: our Festive Game Night will be out next week. Our
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Christmas special episode where myself and Audra and Jason and
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Jen Chris got together and played some kind of Christmas
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: themed games. I think I loosely connected them to Christmas,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: but the idea was we'd all be in the same
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: room playing games. It's like it's game night, like it's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Christmas game Night. So look forward to that next week.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: And then at the end of the month, on the
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: twenty sixth, we have stat Leapers, our annual review episode
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: that Jason is chairing. I'm so excited for our annual
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: trip back through everything we've done this year. I wouldn't
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: remember anything if it wasn't for stat Leepers. And from
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: next year we will be a weekly podcast. We have
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of brand new shows to bring to the feed,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: as well as the game shows that you love. We
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: will continue to bring you those in the forms we
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: have been. We're planning more live streams. We're even planning
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: a live episode in a theater, so that's going to
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. Twenty twenty five is looking
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: very exciting here at gate Leapers, and thank you to
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: you for making that possible. If you weren't subscribed, if
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: you weren't listening to this, if you weren't sharing it
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: with your friends and family, none of this could happen.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: So that's all thanks to you. Yeah, you specifically, I
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: appreciate you the most. See that can be anyone. That's
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: a great system. I hope everyone is having a wonderful
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: holiday season. I don't think I need to plug anything else.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's about it. Yeah, that'll do. Have a
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: lovely day.