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Olivier Melnick: The One Racism Still Accepted; Reasons For A One-State Solution · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome, friends. Today's guest, Olivier Melnick, president and executive director of Shalom in Messiah Ministries, can't wait to catch up with him next on World View Matters.
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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events, defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  The website is Shalom in Messiah.com, Shalom in Messiah.com.
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  And a previous book, there he is, there's Olivier, a previous book that we talked about is the normalization of anti-Semitism.
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  And when the longest hatred becomes the new normal, that was written just about a year and a half ago.
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  But I'm bringing Olivier now and see if he's got anything else in the works.
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  Brother, so good to see you. Thanks for your time today.
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  Hey, David, thanks for having me. Always a pleasure being on your show.
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  And no topic off limit, I mean, there's nothing off limits. I mean, this is a dangerous introduction.
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  Yeah, it is. Well, you know what, our guests know other than profanity, which, you know, that goes without saying with the biblical worldview.
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  Anything, we should be able to talk about anything because what we found Olivier and anti-Semitism in Israel are two big topics that most pastors are not talking about.
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  So no topic off limits. The pulpits aren't really pro-Israel necessarily.
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  Before we talk about what you've got coming up in October, talk about how the pulp, we need more pulpits to openly defend Israel and the Jewish people.
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  Yeah, so what we've seen is that, you know, October 27, 2023, the terrorist attack on Israel out of Gaza and, you know, we're still dealing with it as the hostages started to slowly come back.
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  I mean, only on, only just a few right now come back to Israel. We've seen the opposite of what really we should expect in a normal world, but we don't live in a normal world.
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  The, the world instead of coming to the rescue of Israel and reaching out and helping.
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  There's been this, this, you know, increased animosity and you've seen it on campuses, you've seen it from Hollywood, you've seen it from different organizations, from different governments.
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  And even as you started talking about churches, it was amazing to me the number of churches, some of them who call themselves Christian churches and even evangelical churches, who actually did not find time or desire to pray for Israel.
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  At all on or after October 7, there was like, it's not really something we, we, we, we need to spend any time on and it shows you, it shows you the state of affairs when it comes to how the world, including Christians are handling the relationship with Israel, which I think is a clear, clear clue of where we are in the end times.
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  Well, we talked before we got on the air here on the podcast, we talked a little bit about the fact that we often overlook the spiritual dimension here and that this is a satanic agenda, this hatred oftentimes what we see being played out is an irrational hatred of the Jews.
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  And if you look at college campuses, unfortunately in America, I would guess a majority of those kids and I can call them kids because we're older, a majority of those kids cannot even explain why they support Hamas or the Palestinians and are against the Jews.
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  It is irrational because it's demonic and you can't explain that aside from going to the Bible, hello world view matters, going to the Bible and saying, what does God say about Israel, about his chosen people, go ahead Olivia, I'm sure you have a lot to say about that.
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  Well, let me start with this and I'm sure I've mentioned that in a previous podcast of yours, but my working definition for anti-Semitism is actually exactly that.
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  I start with those two words, anti-Semitism is the satanic and irrational or I should actually change it to satanic thus irrational hatred of the Jewish people in Israel characterized by thoughts, words and or deeds against them.
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  So it is irrational, absolutely agreed with you, it is irrational because it is satanic because only Satan the father of lies as the Bible calls them can make something that is irrational sound and look very rational so that people would buy it and go like, this is the truth.
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  People in some parts of the world who have never seen a Jewish person, never encountered, never interacted with a Jewish person and yet they hate the Jews.
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  I understand racism, I don't agree with racism, but I understand that racism in human nature, people look different, they sound different, we don't like them, you interact with them, whatever it's wrong but there is an interaction and a decision.
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  I don't like this person because of this, but in the case of the Jewish people, you don't even have to have met one or no one or interacted with one.
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  Any cynicism is that irrational that you would hate the Jews even having never met one.
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  So let's go back to the church now because we were talking about just out in public and on the leftist Marxist-driven college campuses and everything that they're about.
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  Let's talk about Christians now because you mentioned that early on, a lot of churches did not pray for Israel, did not mention after October 7th the attacks on 2023.
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  I guess we shouldn't be surprised but it was disappointing and astounding but that shows the lack of understanding of the true biblical teachings and whether or not Christians should support Israel.
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  So the church, go ahead.
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  No, that was going to say the narrative has been slowly changed.
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  I mean, in Jewish ministry for over 30 years now and I remember calling churches to the acid,
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  would you like us to come and visit and speak on the topic of Israel and Jewish people and end times.
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  And the churches will be extremely receptive, we go, oh yeah, we'd love that, we support Israel, we love Israel.
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  And over the last 10, 15 years, this has been constantly, increasingly exponentially decreasing where now you have to call a lot of churches to get a church to say I'd love to have you come and speak.
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  And so the churches are, David, I believe that in the end times where I think that's where we are right now, in the end times the final device of factor is going to be within the church, within the evangelical church is going to be those who support Israel and those who reject Israel.
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  As a current event right now, we see it already happening as a precursor of what will take place during the seven year tribulation illustrated by the illustrating the passage about the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25th, what 31 through 40 something 25th through
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  I don't have the exact address, but the parable of the sheep and the goat were those who helped the Jews did the same as loving on Messiah Jesus himself and those who rejected the Jews and rejected the Messiah.
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  So we're seeing this playing out right now and where some people within the church pastors or people attending the church are not interested in in in recognizing Israel and acknowledging supporting praying for or even at this time where anti-Semitism is so growing right now even coming to the rescue of Jewish people as our ministry is trying to prepare Christians to do, you know, rescuing and sheltering.
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  There's a lack of interest in that, which is part of what I put in my in my book that you mentioned earlier the normalization of anti-Semitism.
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  Jesus is Jewish, you know, I mean, we forget I'm and I don't know, I think there's a disconnect there somehow well, you know, the the biggest the biggest embarrassment for for Christians once they realize that is that when I say, well, you know, I'm not anti-Semitic.
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  I'm just anti Israel or or or or or anti Zionist, but I don't hate the Jews. I don't wish them anything any harm, but really anti-Semitism and anti-Semitism are synonymous.
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  But when when I quote the beginning of of of Psalm 83 to to a Christian, I said, you realize this that listen to this, you know, when ASAP talks about the enemies of Israel, you said they make shrewd plans against your people talking to God here and to talking to God about your people, the Jewish people, they conspired together against your treasured one and saying treasured one saying, come, let us wipe them out as a nation and the name of Israel be remembered no more.
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  And then here's verse five, Christians should take heed, you know, like it says for they have conspired together with one heart against you, they cut a covenant.
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  So those who conspire against Israel are really slapping God in the face, you know, they're conspiring against God.
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  So you cannot, you cannot be a Christian, I got to be careful, I say that, but you cannot be a Christian in good standing with God in in the will of God if you do not love Israel because when you hate Israel, you hate God.
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  So what does that say?
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  Yeah, I don't it's what it says.
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  Was that 93, Psalm 93?
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  Psalm 83.
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  83.
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  Okay. So I just wanted people wanted to look that up after.
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  So above all, I think we touched on this, but it's so important to remember on this goes way back in the pages of Scripture.
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  I mean, Satan has tried to come against the line of, you know, the descendants of Abraham and the descendants and David's line.
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  He knew, he knew Scripture, he knew where the Messiah was, you know, prophetically supposed to come from.
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  And so there's been a battle as spiritual dimension to this that we have to remember at the heart of anti-Semitism.
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  This is all rooted in the resistance against God, as you said, and his plan of redemption for all mankind.
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  That's the resistance. Satan is the number of the first resisted, the first rebel, the first one of that resistance, right?
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  Yes, and it starts in Genesis 315 when the very first messianic prophecy and it goes all throughout the entire tapestry of Scripture prophecy after prophecy.
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  Satan tried to, Satan knows from the, from the very beginning from the third chapter of the Bible, Satan is told by God that he's going to be defeated and he's going to amount to nothing.
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  And he's going to end up in the lack of fire and brimstone for all eternity to suffer for the rest of eternity.
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  And he knows that that's going to happen when Jesus comes back to establish his messianic kingdom, the millennial kingdom on earth for a thousand years before the eternal order.
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  And he knows that happens then, so he's going like, hey, I got two chances, first coming, second coming.
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  So first coming, he tried to corrupt the line of messiah so that the messiah would not come through Genesis 6 and other passages and maybe if we get rid of them, the Jews won't call on him.
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  And you know, first coming was just the death and resurrection and then it's going to be a second coming.
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  And now he's going like, if the Jews don't call Yeshua Jesus at the end of the tribulation, but if they don't do that, he doesn't come back.
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  If he doesn't come back, I'm out of my job is secure, I don't go to the lack of fire.
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  That's great straying right now. So he's trying to turn the Jews against Jesus and turn the whole world against the Jews and try to get rid of all the Jews.
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  So they will not have the possibility of verbally calling up on the one with the FPS.
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  It's interesting how this, it's so clear from scripture.
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  If you're a student of the Bible that is, if you handle the word of God accurately and understand and discern it is very clear what's playing out now, what's manifesting in the natural when it comes to the Middle East or college campuses in America.
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  But I want to, we've got a couple minutes before we take our brief pause here. Pope Francis recently came out and it looked like he vilified the Jewish state according to world Israel news in an address a few weeks ago.
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  He said he castigated the Jewish state over what he described as the shameful humanitarian conditions in the Gaza Strip during the ongoing war against Hamas.
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  And then his speech had some accusations, I would say false accusations against Israel.
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  And he reportedly, including claims that the Jewish state is bombing civilians and leaving Gaza children to freeze to death.
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  And he appealed for a ceasefire, of course.
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  And so before we take our brief pause, Olivier, would you care to respond to that?
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  This way to spot a false dollar bill is to know very, very well what a real one looks like. I'm just going to give you factual truth.
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  Jews in Israel, the Israeli government, they're accused of killing Palestinians in Gaza in large numbers. They're accused really by not just by the Pope, but the Pope has come up to join ranks to accuse Israel of committing genocide.
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  Let me just say this, genocide is according to the definition of what genocide is, it's the killing, the organized killing of a people group.
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  And to qualify as genocide, the people group has to be eliminated by at least 25%. So 25% of the people need to be killed at that time.
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  Then it becomes a, it qualifies as genocide. And here's an interesting fact. In 2024, it was recognized that the Palestinians in Gaza, just in Gaza grew by 2.02%.
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  So 2% is really not that much. But it's 27% over the number that it should, you know, 25% is what they should have been reduced by to be jailed.
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  By to be genocide, you know, for it to be a genocide, it was not a genocide. They're not committing genocide. We know that, but that's not what the world is telling us. It's unfortunate.
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  Yep. Alright, we've got to take a brief pause. Olivier Melnik's website is Shalom in Messiah.com. When we come back, we're going to talk about three main reasons to support a one state solution in the Middle East. That's next.
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  Olivier, before we get to this, you did this video a couple of weeks ago, roughly a week or so ago on the Jewish one state solution.
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  And I thought that was very, very good. And we're going to lay that out in just a minute. But we talked before the podcast. You do have a new book coming out in October. Tell us about that briefly.
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  Yes, this is a, it's, it's a major update to my biggest work I had done that came out. I believe in 2008.
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  So it's a major or 18. I forgot now 2018. Sorry. It's a major update to that work and times anti-semitism.
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  So the book is going to be called the anti-semitism in the end times. And that's the old one. That's the new one right there.
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  And it's going to be, it's going to be a major update that's going to take us all the way to all the way really and beyond October 7, 2023, bringing bringing the reader to the current affairs, the current state of anti-semitism.
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  And also hopefully bringing some, some, some suggestion on how to, to handle it, how to fight it and how to make a difference as Christians to reach out and help the Jewish community.
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  It comes out, it comes out on the second anniversary of October 7, the October 7, 2025.
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  Wow.
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  October, October 7, this year, friends, look for that. Okay. So set this up for us, Olivia. I love that cover by the way.
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  It's simple, but the way the, the, the typeset and the colors, it's just beautiful.
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  Olivia, set this up for us. You felt, you were compelled to do this video where you were explaining and contrasting the one state versus the two state solution.
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  And you mentioned the, it's final solution, but you have some main reasons that you need to emphasize the one state solution in the Middle East. Go ahead.
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  Yeah. So the one state solution, you know, if you, if you look at the title and I'm looking at the article on my, on my website, because I don't want to say anything that I can't back up.
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  So I got to remind myself of what I wrote.
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  So it's, it's, you know, I call it three reasons to support a Jewish one state solution.
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  And the reason why I put the word Jewish because if you have a Jewish one state solution, Arabs will be welcome in it.
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  If you have an Arab or Palestinian one state solution, the only way that would survive or exist is through the complete eradication of the Jewish people, which is what's been tried really since the 1948, you know, so the many, many wars.
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  So, you know, the, you know, the, the one state solution or even the two state solution that even some people within, even within the current government, and I don't, you know, to be honest with you, David, as of today, I mean, it's only been just like a, just short, short while since Donald Trump came back for a second term.
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  And we know he's a friend of Israel, we know that, but, but is, is making some decisions that I'm not sure are the absolute best for Israel or for the US, but, you know, I don't know where he stands exactly on the one state to state.
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  It's a little, it's a little foggy right now.
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  But those who believe in a two state solution, don't understand that the two state solution is really based on what you could call the, the, the, a Muslim ideology of as long as we're not in, in power, we are friendly, but then when we are in the majority, we take over and we become the only option.
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  So a two state solution with, you know, Palestine slash Israel would really be an invitation to a final solution for the Jews. Let's get the, let's give the Palestinian more, more territory, more power, more political pool to the point where they will get to a place where they can get rid of all the Jews, which they're trying to do right now, even though they're not in that position.
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  So the, the Jewish one state solution, the first thing I, I, I, I posit is that, biblically speaking, really, when you go back to, to the scriptures, you know, starting with the, you know, the, the Abrahamic covenant, the land was given to Israel, not to quote and quote Palestine, which is a word that was, you know, added in the first century and moving forward.
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  So the land was given to the Jews. It doesn't make the Arabs lesser people. It doesn't make the Arabs bad people. It makes the fact that God said to the Jews, I give this land and the story, but, but salvation is for all. The land of Israel is for the Jews.
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  Salvation is available to everybody. And it's important to remember that it's not just about a piece of land. At the end of the day, that what's the most important for everybody is salvation and eternal life in the presence of God. And that's available to Jews and Arabs. And everybody has no matter what through the death and rather death and resurrection of Jesus.
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  So we need to keep that in the back of our mind. So number one, Biblically speaking, it's, it's important to understand that the land was given to, to Israel, to the Jewish people. And one thing that a lot of people don't comment on David.
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  David, in Deuteronomy, a book that most people read regularly. Of course, I'm talking shake here. In Deuteronomy chapter two, amazing. I, you know, God is telling Israel that he's giving land to Israel. But then he says, don't take any more land.
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  I'd love that when he says, right there, you are going to pass through the territory of your brothers, the son of Isa, who lived in seer, and they will be afraid of you. So be very careful. Do not provoke them for I will not give you any of their land, even as little as a footstep, because I've given it to months here.
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  A month here to Isa as a possession. Why is that important? Because right there twice later in the same chapter in verse 19, he repeats it with another, another people group, God is telling Israel, I've given you the boundaries of the land in Genesis 15. It's going to be big twice the size of Texas. That's going to be realized in the Millennial Kingdom. But he's telling Israel, don't try to take another inch.
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  I've given you what you, I'm giving you, you know, Islam takes over the whole world, makes a caliphate, they take landed stairs, they take more and more and more, they never stop until they have the whole planet. Israel was given boundaries, which they don't have yet. But God is saying, I'm not giving you anymore. That's very important. It's specific. It belongs to Israel. And why is it a big deal? Leave it alone. It's just such a small sliver of land. But again, it's connecting you back to.
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  Satan wanting to get as a gender fulfilled as opposed to God's plan.
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  Well, you also mentioned the point and we're running out of time quickly here. So you can get to go to the article at Shalom in Messiah.com, friends, three reasons to support a Jewish one state solution. Israel must secure its borders.
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  So every country, every nation has the right to defend itself and secure its borders. I know some people in America haven't agreed with that. But go ahead and share more about that.
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  Well, I mean, Israel has to secure the borders and what they've done is that in some parts of the land they've built this wall, which is really not a wall like you see the Great Wall of China or anything like that.
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  And most of it is actually just a fence and people are accusing Israel of being an apartheid country because they're building a wall to separate the rest of the people to keep the Palestinians out of Israel.
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  But really, in the case of apartheid in South Africa, the wall was created to keep the people to separate the people. But in the case of the wall in Israel, the wall is also, it's mainly to keep the Jewish people the Israelis safe.
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  I mean, it is a separation, but it's to keep them safe. It's not to hurt the people on the outside is to protect the people on the inside.
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  And you have to protect the borders. Right now, there's a big concern that the ceasefire in Gaza is reopening the southern border, the Philadelphia corridor, allowing for rearmaments and replenishment of Hamas.
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  Hamas during that ceasefire time. So time will tell, but this is not a good thing.
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  Yeah, so I do want to say what we were kind of alluding to earlier about President Trump. No man is perfect.
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  And no one's policies are 100% perfect. He has been a supporter of Israel and a friend of Netanyahu.
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  But we need to remember, yes, he's back in office. Great. We can be thankful for that that America has a little more time to get in the right going in the right direction. But our hope is squarely in the one who placed President Trump there who put Netanyahu in place for these times.
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  And policies, you know, are going to be debated and a lot's going to be playing out in well, even this year, I think a lot's going to play out. It's going to be very fascinating to watch Olivier.
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  We will Lord willing do this again in the near future. Just appreciate your time. And God bless your brother peace. Chalom.
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  God bless. Thank you. So friends, we'll have him back on probably a couple of times before his new book comes out in October. But thanks again for sharing.
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  Really for your prayers. That's helped us and helped me continue. And we just have just outstanding guests. I'm so proud of the guest lineup we have here on World View Matters. God bless you. And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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