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Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni, and Golden Globes with Coco Mocoe · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop and our first episode
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Happy New Year. It's 2025.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for your patience because I didn't have some
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  Speaker 3: shows over Christmas. But guess what? We are back with
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  Speaker 3: a super juicy one. Welcome Coco Moco to Juicy Scoop
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  Speaker 3: for the first time. This adorable cutie.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome.
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  Speaker 3: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm good. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: I discovered you on TikTok. which may no longer be here,
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  Speaker 3: but you have a presence on a lot of the
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  Speaker 3: other platforms as well. And you are a trend predictor,
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  Speaker 3: brand marketer, and you do really great videos. And so
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  Speaker 3: we have so much to discuss. We're going to get
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  Speaker 3: in all to the latest of the Blake Lively and
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  Speaker 3: Justin and Baldoni and all of it with so much
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  Speaker 3: more that's happened. But a little background on you. You
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  Speaker 3: were telling me you're a journalism major at San Diego State.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was studying journalism. I wanted to be a
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  Speaker 2: journalist so bad. And then I have dyslexia and I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't pass this one like spelling grammar test and I
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  Speaker 2: got actually kicked out. But then instead of dropping out
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  Speaker 2: of the school, someone was like one of the counselors like,
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  Speaker 2: why don't you go into marketing?
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 2: It was like what I was meant to do. So
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  Speaker 2: then- Oh, that's great. It worked out. I like that
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  Speaker 2: I do marketing now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were just saying, because I went to USC
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  Speaker 3: and I can admit it was not as difficult to
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  Speaker 3: get into there as it now is for these young kids.
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  Speaker 3: And I was asking you about San Diego State because
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  Speaker 3: it's become so popular. And when I was applying, it
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  Speaker 3: was like kids that barely were graduating from high school
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  Speaker 3: would go to San Diego State. But what I think
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  Speaker 3: happened was, I think all of a sudden people around
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  Speaker 3: the country and the world were like, Why am I
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  Speaker 3: not going to this school? Like it is San Diego
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  Speaker 3: is I think one of the most perfect cities in California.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: More perfect than L.A. County, in my opinion. And I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So finally, people realized it and everyone started to apply there.
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  Speaker 3: And now, yeah, it's very hard.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I think what made it also hard to get into
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  Speaker 2: in a weird way was there was this huge like
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  Speaker 2: drug bust at one of the fraternities in the 2010s.
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  Speaker 2: And I almost think it elevated its, like, cool party status.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's, like, part of what happened. Do
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  Speaker 2: you know that's why?
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  Speaker 3: Genuinely. Wait, you know how I chose to go to USC?
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  Speaker 2: Because of parties?
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  Speaker 3: No, because I read the book Less Than Zero. Do
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  Speaker 3: you know the book Less Than Zero, the movie? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my God. It was this book, and I read it,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, what? I mean, I'd heard of USC, like, football, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And it was about these rich kids going to private
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  Speaker 3: school in the valley. Yeah. And so I knew all
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  Speaker 3: the schools they were talking about and then the crazy
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  Speaker 3: shit that they were doing. And then they all went
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  Speaker 3: to USC. And I was like, this school sounds like
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  Speaker 3: a fucking good time. That's why. And that's when I
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  Speaker 3: got fixated on it. I was like, that's so interesting
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  Speaker 3: that something can kind of change the trajectory of like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: history of like getting into school, whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 3: But well, I'm glad you're here. So the Golden Globes
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  Speaker 3: were last night. And Debbie Moore... has been looking so gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: She's like 61. She's always had a beautiful body. But
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  Speaker 3: back when she was doing these movies and she was
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  Speaker 3: super into working out and when she was in this
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  Speaker 3: movie called The Stripper, which was like that was the
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  Speaker 3: most money a female lead had ever been paid was
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  Speaker 3: for this movie called The Stripper. And it was horrible.
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  Speaker 3: It was super dumb. But she was super into like
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  Speaker 3: working out. Since then, her body's become very like Pilates lean.
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  Speaker 3: She had an unfortunate facelift. a couple of years ago
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  Speaker 3: that she went back and got fixed and she looks stunning.
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  Speaker 3: And she won best actress last night for, how do
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  Speaker 3: you pronounce the name of that movie?
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  Speaker 2: The substance.
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  Speaker 3: The substance.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Substance. Did you see it? I did.
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  Speaker 2: I actually really loved it. It was so good. It like,
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  Speaker 2: it's all about plastic surgery.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Of course I love it. It's one of my interests.
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  Speaker 1: Same.
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  Speaker 3: We watched it over the holiday with my, my college
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  Speaker 3: age sons and my husband and I loved it. Um,
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  Speaker 3: Didn't love the ending. I thought the ending could have
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  Speaker 3: been way more clever. And I don't want to ruin
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  Speaker 3: it for you guys. I'm just saying it's still worth
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  Speaker 3: it to watch. It's still super intriguing. And it was
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  Speaker 3: going in such great direction. And I just didn't know
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  Speaker 3: why it had to go to like such a weird,
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  Speaker 3: gory ending, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like it was so like avant-garde, even
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  Speaker 2: the way that camera angles were like she was a
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  Speaker 2: Petri dish and like the sounds.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I almost think they were like, well, you've stuck with
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  Speaker 2: us this long. Like, let's just go crazy at the
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  Speaker 2: end almost. Like, it kind of fit the odd vibe.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think there's an interesting, like, Twilight Zone
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  Speaker 2: concept there where I'd love if it was like an
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  Speaker 2: HBO show.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I always refer to Twilight Zone because I
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  Speaker 3: used to watch all the old ones. I mean, every
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  Speaker 3: single one is a movie. Most of them have been,
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  Speaker 3: I think, the inspiration for other movies to come because
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  Speaker 3: they were so incredibly groundbreaking and clever. I could talk
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  Speaker 3: about Twilight Zone forever, but it is very Twilight Zone,
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  Speaker 3: Black Mirror-ish. But I thought it was interesting because I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: she really wasn't in it, in my opinion, as much
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  Speaker 3: as her other self, which is this younger girl that's
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  Speaker 3: sort of playing her. As well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or you don't even like recognize her near the end.
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  Speaker 2: And it's yeah, you're right. Margaret Qualley really kind of
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  Speaker 2: held a lot of the midsection, I feel, of the
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  Speaker 2: movie down.
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  Speaker 3: But I definitely see that one. So that was cool.
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  Speaker 3: She won and she said, I've been doing this forever
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  Speaker 3: and I've never won an award. And there was a
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  Speaker 3: viral video that went with all of her daughters. And
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  Speaker 3: I think one of the daughters is a mom now.
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  Speaker 3: at home in their sweats cheering that she won. So
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  Speaker 3: that was really cool. I've always, I've loved her acting always.
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  Speaker 3: I loved her in Ghost and all the movies that
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  Speaker 3: she did, the St. Elmo's Fire. She is a great actor.
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  Speaker 3: She looks amazing and very natural and she was greatness.
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  Speaker 3: So that was really, and her gown, all of her
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  Speaker 3: clothes is amazing. And Brad Gorgetzky is her stylist and
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  Speaker 3: he used to be on like Rachel Zoe's Bravo show and,
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  Speaker 3: He's always like a person that talks about fashion. He's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: So that was really cool that she won. Overall, I
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  Speaker 3: thought Nikki Glaser did great.
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  Speaker 2: She was so good.
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  Speaker 3: Actually perfect. And she also has a perfect body for gowns.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she does. And you know, I was just saying,
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  Speaker 2: I can never say I'm too busy because I just
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  Speaker 2: randomly DM'd her and was like, good luck tonight. Like
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  Speaker 2: not thinking. And she like replied and was like, thanks
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  Speaker 2: so much. Like can't wait. And I'm like, The day of, like,
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  Speaker 2: the Golden Globes, there's no way, like, I can ever
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  Speaker 2: say I can't get to an email. But I think, like,
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  Speaker 2: her groundedness is what makes her really cool.
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, she's been in the business a
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  Speaker 3: long time. She was always a good stand-up, but she's had,
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  Speaker 3: you know, several little, like, E-type talk shows. She had
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  Speaker 3: a reality show that, like, featured her parents and her silliness.
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  Speaker 3: She was on Dancing with the Stars briefly because it
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  Speaker 3: didn't go. And now I think with the roast and
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  Speaker 3: with this, This is what she should be doing. This
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  Speaker 3: is the perfect kind of comedy for her. She's the
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  Speaker 3: perfect host and very likable with being edgy, but not mean. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't make people uncomfortable, like tied the line. A couple
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  Speaker 3: of people I know that were writers on it, um,
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  Speaker 3: Ian Carmel, who I used to work with, you know,
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  Speaker 3: she had great writers. She took a photo with the writers.
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  Speaker 3: Like it, it was a, it was a perfect thing.
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  Speaker 3: So she did great. Um, So that was great. And
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  Speaker 3: I think she's the perfect person for it. Angelina Jolie
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  Speaker 3: attended with one of her daughters, Zahara. And, of course,
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  Speaker 3: they both, like, looked gorgeous. But there's a lot going
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  Speaker 3: on with Brad Pitt. So their divorce is final. He
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  Speaker 3: has a great facelift going.
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  Speaker 2: He does.
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  Speaker 3: And he has a 29-year-old girlfriend, which is fine. He's, like, 61.
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  Speaker 3: But what do you think about their whole situation? The
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  Speaker 3: Miravelle Rosé Chateau winery. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting. They're like fascinating to me.
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  Speaker 2: They're one of the last kind of like A-list like
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  Speaker 2: modern day Hollywood stars in that they don't really talk
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  Speaker 2: about their personal lives, yet it's still out there so much.
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  Speaker 2: Like the stars that are maybe more Gen Z or
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  Speaker 2: younger millennial, they're kind of like an open book in
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  Speaker 2: some ways. And like they're very private yet we know
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  Speaker 2: everything about them. I think it's fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: You're actually– that's so true.
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to do a podcast. Like they're just
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  Speaker 2: like– Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's so true because they were– he was married obviously
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  Speaker 3: to Jennifer Aniston. And then he started to work on Mr.
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  Speaker 3: and Mrs.
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  Speaker 4: Smith.
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  Speaker 3: And Jennifer– this is the stories I remember– reached out
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  Speaker 3: to Angelina and was like, oh my god, he's so
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  Speaker 3: excited to work on this movie with you. I'm so happy, da, da, da.
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  Speaker 3: And then I remember a facialist that worked for Courtney
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  Speaker 3: Cox told me that she asked her. Now, this is hearsay, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you a story. But this is what I remember.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like, what do you think of Angelina Jolie?
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  Speaker 3: And she said, predator. And that back in the day,
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  Speaker 3: she would be calling the house when people had house phones.
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  Speaker 3: She would be calling the house. And, of course, they
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  Speaker 3: fell in love. And that's when Jennifer Aniston said, I
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  Speaker 3: think he has a sensitivity chip missing.
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  Speaker 2: Like lacking empathy is kind of the vibe?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like just didn't really, like, get it. So then
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  Speaker 3: they go on, though, and they have– I remember right
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  Speaker 3: when it was going on, they did a photo shoot
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  Speaker 3: when they weren't even completely out as a couple for
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  Speaker 3: W Magazine where they posed as– A 1960s couple in
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  Speaker 3: Palm Springs with five little kids running around while he
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  Speaker 3: was still with Jennifer Aniston and she they had no
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  Speaker 3: children together.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: And there were rumors about it. And then they get together.
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  Speaker 3: They have three of their own biological children. They have
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  Speaker 3: the adopted children and. You're right. We never heard that
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  Speaker 3: they had any issues. They'd go on the red carpet
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  Speaker 3: and make funny things. Oh, what did you do this morning?
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  Speaker 3: I made the kids breakfast. What did you make them? Cereal. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my God. They're so down to earth. We never heard
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  Speaker 3: until we heard about that fight that happened on the
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  Speaker 3: private plane, which appeared to happen between Brad Pitt and Pax.
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  Speaker 3: Or not Pax. Maddox, maybe. And that was, for her, it.
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  Speaker 3: And then it's been going on for years. And a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the kids have dropped Pitt from the last name.
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  Speaker 3: And really sided with their mother. And so, yeah, that
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  Speaker 3: is all. You're right. We don't know everything about them.
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  Speaker 3: Just like, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's like. it's like they're, we know so much like
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  Speaker 2: through the press, like they're like the old school celebrities. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're, if they're the ones telling
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  Speaker 2: the press, like we see them, their stories, but it's like,
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  Speaker 2: they're never going to like sit down on Joe Rogan
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  Speaker 2: and like talk for three hours about what happened on
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  Speaker 2: the plane. Like we know, but we don't. It's so interesting. But, um, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Brad Pitt must have a really good PR
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  Speaker 2: team though, because I feel like he still kind of
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  Speaker 2: has this like, um, lovable image and I don't follow
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  Speaker 2: him enough to know like really if it's true or not, but.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and he is sober. Okay. So it is
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  Speaker 3: good because that story was alcohol, was a part of it, whatever. No,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we don't really know. He denied that it
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  Speaker 3: ever got more than just arguing, but she said otherwise.
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  Speaker 3: from what I recall. But this was a weird story
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  Speaker 3: that has come out, okay? This came out a while ago,
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  Speaker 3: a couple years ago. And I just thought it was
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  Speaker 3: sort of strange. It's from yourtango.com. But Brad Pitt's dating
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  Speaker 3: history from the 1990s is being discussed again. And some
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  Speaker 3: people are questioning why he dated girls much younger than himself.
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  Speaker 3: Back then, he was linked to two teenage girls he
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  Speaker 3: met while acting. So the first, he dated Juliette Lewis,
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  Speaker 3: the actress. And she was 17 and he was 27
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  Speaker 3: when they did the movie Too Young to Die. And
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  Speaker 3: they were together for three years and both spoke positively
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  Speaker 3: about their relationship. Now this was, you know, 30 years
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  Speaker 3: ago because he's in his 60s now. But today that
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  Speaker 3: would be really weird if a 17-year-old was working with
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  Speaker 3: a 27-year-old and they became a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then the second case involved this girl, Shailene McCall.
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  Speaker 3: And she was his co-star in the TV show Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: And at the time, she was 15 and Pitt was 24. However,
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  Speaker 3: her mother denied it, saying they only worked together on
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  Speaker 3: the show. But there were some rumblings about this in
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  Speaker 3: the last couple of years. And I just thought it
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  Speaker 3: was sort of interesting. I wonder why do you think
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  Speaker 3: it's come back up? Like because of the divorce and
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: people are looking into it maybe? I just think the
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  Speaker 3: more that there's like sexual assault and inappropriate age things.
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  Speaker 3: things with girls and boys that are under 18 in
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: all the different scenarios, gay, straight, men, women. I think
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  Speaker 3: that when people see that, they're like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 3: like Elvis dating Priscilla Presley or, you know, that this,
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  Speaker 3: and as short as back as 20, 30 years ago,
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  Speaker 3: that that was a big age difference. 17 and 27
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  Speaker 3: is really big, you know? And, but they said it
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  Speaker 3: was great. It was fine. You know, like Dakota– wait,
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  Speaker 3: who's the girl in– who was the girl in the
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Fifty Shades of Grey? Who's that actress?
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  Speaker 2: Dakota Johnson?
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  Speaker 3: Dakota Johnson. Her parents, Don Johnson from Miami Vice and
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  Speaker 3: Melanie Griffin, if my memory is serving me right, they
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  Speaker 3: were dating when she was like 14 and he was 20.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. And I like, it's so funny because I think
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  Speaker 2: also now with the internet, like age fact checking is
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: so much easier. Like something so crazy is I actually
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: loved working. It was my favorite job. I used to
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: work at this place called Famous Birthdays and it's like
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: this like hot pink website, like for 12 year olds.
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  Speaker 2: But we would interview a lot of TikTok stars, but
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  Speaker 2: it was actually so funny the amount of people that
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  Speaker 2: would reach out asking us to change the age of
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  Speaker 2: certain female celebrities and If people were connecting the dots
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  Speaker 2: that like something happened when they were underage.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, who would ask you like the representation?
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  Speaker 2: Usually the team of the male celebrity that was trying
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  Speaker 2: to clean it up that they dated like a female
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  Speaker 2: celebrity when she was younger because fans would connect it.
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  Speaker 2: We never would.
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  Speaker 3: Like we wouldn't.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: No, they would. They were like, no, like. I'm like, OK,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: like famous for his journalism.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Wait, would they call you, email you? How would you
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: get this request?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: They would email. And like they always.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: And how would they write? How would they write an
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: email like that? Right.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: So what's so fascinating and what they would teach us there.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: And again, like I just loved working there. Like I
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: sing their praises. But what they would teach us is
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: that if someone reached out and sometimes they would get
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: the birthday wrong at famous birthdays, like they would just
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: be your Instagram when you posted a 21st thing, whatever.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: sometimes they would get it wrong. If we really got
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: a birthday wrong, usually someone or from their team would
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: reach out and they would say, hey, my birthday's wrong.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: And like that was usually the wording. But if someone
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: wanted to change a birthday, like either they wanted to
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: look younger or they had to look older for some,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: or it was the male celebrities team asking for their
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: girlfriend's profile, they would almost always say, can you change
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: this person's birthday? Not, hey, it's wrong. They would say, hey,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: can you change the date? And they're like, why would we, like,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: usually they would kind of give it away in the wording.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: And then you would just say, no, we can't. Or
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: you just ignore it. Yeah.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I wasn't on that side of the team, but they
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: would never change it. They're like, if they sent us
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: their driver's license and like, they could prove.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: And you were proven that you were wrong.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: But they're like, why would we change it? I'm like, why? Like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: noble peace prize, like journalism integrity. But no, it was just, it's,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: you would never think, but like that website, like, is
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: like so many people are freaked out about ages being
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: That is so interesting.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: So you saw Wicked. This is a friend of mine,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Fat Kerry Bradshaw. He is so funny. You know him, right? No,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I'll have to dive in. This is a video of
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: him going through Wicked, and he's just acting like a
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: super fan of Wicked. What did you think of the
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: movie Wicked? This is a safe place. I just want
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: you to know.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm okay with people having differing opinions from me.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I kind of understood what Nikki Glaser said when she's like,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I only just learned about it because I had friends
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: in high school. I got roasted online because I thought
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the name was pronounced El Falba, but it's like Elfaba.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I put the emphasis on the wrong letter. And then
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I went and saw it. I thought it was good,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: but I think I just- Did you go.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: To an actual movie theater?
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Did it feel as long as it did as I
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: was watching it in my bed? Yes.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I was definitely checking the time every now and then, like, okay,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: how much longer? And I think that- I'm just coming
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to terms like I'm just not a musical person and
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: that's okay. Like, I just don't love being taken out
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of the reality of like, I love like Bravo. Cause
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: it's like, to me it's real. Like, but like musicals,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: it's so not real to me that someone would just
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: start like tap dancing in a combo.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I grew up doing musicals and I liked it if
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I had a part in it, you know, I don't
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: really like sitting and watching whenever I would go, I'd
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: look at the thing and I'd be like, Oh my God,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: how many more until the intermissions? And then always the
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: second act is shorter. There aren't many scenes, so that's
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: always a thing. And I had never gone, but of
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: course I wanted to see it. So we paid the
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: $ 20 when we were available to see it on New
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Year's Day. And I talk about it in my patron
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: at the end. I came up with what I thought
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: was a better idea for the prequel, which was, you
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: can listen to that. But I wanted to say, I
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: wanted to make it like, I think it would have
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: been more interesting if they were actual sisters. Oh, yeah.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Step or reel or whatever. If they just were actual
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: sisters growing up and they like, and Elf, what's her name? Elphaba?
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I just called her Elsa in the Patreon. If Elphaba
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: was the older sister and I came up with a
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: whole fun scenario that if they were sisters and she
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: was the older sister and The Ariana Grande didn't really
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: have the talent and she had the magic talent. And
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: then the Ariana Grande acted out and got in trouble
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: and she protected her. But then she turned green because
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: she protected her sister. And then the parents were like, goodbye.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: And then they focused on Ariana Grande because she was
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: pretty and young and could be like a pageant girl
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: that could sing. And that's when they started to hate
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: each other. But then people said, but Heather, your prequel
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: idea is cool. But if you see part two, you're
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: going to see that it The original idea they had
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: actually works out. Okay.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know what part two is going to be.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, someone basically told me what part two is
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: because if you've seen the musical, you know what happens.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: But I love how many people made fun of the
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: two of them in the weird interviews.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Holding the finger.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: And just, oh, he's so cute. And I do think
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: both of them got– they were already skinny in the movie. Yeah.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: But shockingly how skinny they are both now, like scary skinny.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why they are. If you're going
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: to write me and say they both have diseases, I
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: don't know. I'm just saying in my opinion they are
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: unusually thin. Mm-hmm. And much thinner than they were even
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: when they shot the film.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Because in the film, like, they didn't look the– like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: and I think they, like.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Are both beautiful. They look 20 years older than they
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: did in the film. Right.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: In the film– and I guess maybe it's because they
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: filmed it, what, like, maybe two years ago? I'm honestly
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: not sure.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's the weight loss.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: It's like– Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: You know what? I did that– I– I always joke
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that I want to have a pop culture museum of
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: like defunct items. You know how they put out the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Wicked dolls and they had the adult website?
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: The moment they announced it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Because it was– if you guys don't recall, they put
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: the– Wicked has been an adult website, one of the
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: top ones, Wicked Films. 90s porn, Valley, like, just go
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: get a VHS tape and you'd see that girl and
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: you'd be like, you're my favorite porn star at Starbucks
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: at the corner of Ventura and, you know, Van Nuys. Like,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: that is wicked. When you'd be going towards universal wicked
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: films and and uh vivid films and all this other
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: stuff so yeah that's crazy that some idiot messed up
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: on that but what were you saying about the dolls.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I like the moment they announced it I was like
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: there's like a three hour window I have to go
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: buy these dolls before they pull them off before like
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the target associates see the email yeah and I ran
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to target I found there was one of the Fiero
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: guy and it had wicked on.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: It is that the like the hot guy yeah and.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Then I went to pay for it and the targets
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: thing was like you cannot sell this item like do
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: not sell so they're like I'm sorry we can't sell
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: it I ran to a Kohl's and they were like
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: yeah we'll sell it to you and and I got
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: it from Kohl's and they just tried to put like
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: a sticker over the thing and I just ripped it
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: off so in like 80 years if I have a
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: pop culture museum that's gonna be like in a glass
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: case oh good for you yeah maybe with like the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: wicked website like over.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: The top of it yeah but I thought that was
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: like a funny thing that happened.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: So um that was fun to see them there.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah the car is beautiful Where did you end up
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: going for it?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else. You
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: have to put me in touch.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: What's it called?
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: It's Dunaidial. Where? Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Do you mean.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Lift?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: No.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: what would you do if it was given back?
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: started crying.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: happens next.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: every day was.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: You're worth the work.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches. You can
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Timothy Chalamet, this Bob Dylan movie sounds really good. A
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: lot of people questioned in the last couple of years
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: if he and Kylie Jenner were a real couple. I
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: think I was always on the right side of history
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: in that they are. Yeah. And it really appears that
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: they are. And I just, that's it. I just think
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: they are. I just think she, you know, being that
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: she's grown up in the limelight for her whole life.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I think she was like eight when the show started.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And she did keep her first pregnancy private with Stormi.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I think she's, I think they mutually
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: keep this private. It's not part of keeping up with
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: the Kardashians. And I think that's why we thought it
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: wasn't real because everything in the Kardashians is so overexposed.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: And Kim, Kim is that way, but they're 15 years
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: apart and they both came into media at two very
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: different times in their life. Kim was, 25 when she
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: became famous and she was eight, you know? So it's like,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: it's interesting. Yeah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the fact that they are so
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: private is, and I think also like she always dated
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: music artists. I think actors have.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: To be private. Well now he's a music artist.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I think music artists are sorry. Actors more than anyone
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: have to be private because like you have to be
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: able to see them in the character. And I almost
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: think that's why like it seems wicked was a little
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: worried with Ariana's backlash with like the Ethan stuff.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Because she fell in love with the character he.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Was like a side character I thought he was like
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: the main one anyway he was already married to a
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: woman who was expecting their baby when they broke up
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: and he started to or whatever she was an overlap
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: but now he's with Ariana.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Right and I almost think that like actors don't want
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: their personal life out there that much because like they
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: can't get roles if people are like imposing their actual
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: life on. So I think that's also probably why it
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: seems real because they are very private. He probably doesn't
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: want to be in the Kardashians because then you can't
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: see him as Bob Dylan.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And I don't know who else was at Kylie's table,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: but there was a video that's going around on like
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: the Daily Mail or something. And Demi Moore after her
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: win was saying hi to the two other girls that
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: she clearly knows from– I don't know.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Who they were.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Elle Fanning and then a girl who played like a
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: side girlfriend in the Bob Dylan movie that was– Okay.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: So she knows them. And they're like, look at her
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: snub Kylie Jenner. And I'm like– I wrote on the comments.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I'm like, can we not– Like she's in the most
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: exciting moment of her career. She's seeing people she knows.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: She's got to say hi to a million people. And
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: now we're going to judge Demi Moore for a moment
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: that someone's going to say she was rude.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: You know, like enough.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Kylie doesn't know her and she wasn't being rude, but
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: she was focusing on these girls and then she was
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: immediately pulled away. So it's like, just relax, people.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Right. And I think like in a lot of these
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: clips of Kylie at these events, I think people are
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: like overly mean to Kylie because at least from what
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I can see, I don't know. I kind of get
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the vibe she's a little awkward because like if you
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: think about it, she's kind of like a homeschooled, like
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: she didn't really have like a, like I think in
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: these moments, people think of her as this like really cool,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: like popular girl, I think it really in those candid
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: moments comes out like she is kind of probably hard,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: like navigating, especially this room that she doesn't know.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: And she's trying to, you know, yeah. And she's being
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: she is the girlfriend. She wants to be the girlfriend.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: She is the girlfriend. It's his world. And she probably
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: actually loves being the plus one.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: You know, and so, yeah, I really like them together. Yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Sofia Vergara shouted out to Jodie Foster from her seat.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: And she got the award, Jodi did, and Sophia in
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: her funny Colombian accent said, like, I won one. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: it was that she didn't win for, what is the
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: movie that she was up for? Griselda. Griselda, which I
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: loved that series. Oh, my God. She was a coke-dealing mom,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: drug lord, real-life story that a lot of– Latina actresses
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: over the years have played in different versions. Some were movies,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: some were little things. So I looked it up. I
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, my God, she was so good in this.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I wonder why nobody else. And I looked and I'm like, no,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: people all. But I loved this series, if you haven't
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: seen it. And she was great. And I really and
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I did say on the show that I I knew
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: she'd be nominated, but I really thought she'd win. But
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: she didn't. OK, now let's get into this. This was
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: very interesting. Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni, stuff that's
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: been going on. And this was interesting because this guy,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: what is his name, that won this award for directing?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I know he was directing The Brutalist, but I don't
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: remember his.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: So he got up there and he made this speech,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: which is going viral everywhere. It sounded like it was
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: very directed towards Blake Lively. So just to get people
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: up to date. Blake Lively, star of It Ends With Us,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: which I did see just about two weeks ago before
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: the news of these lawsuits broke out.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: You saw it like on the eve. Yes.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: She came out with her lawsuit against Justin and his
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: PR people. Two days before Christmas that, I mean, accused,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: you know, if you want to summarize all the things
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: that she accused him of. Let's get into that. Let's
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: just start there. But first I will just say one
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: of the things, just to finish this part, why the
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: photo of this guy. One of the things was that
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: though she was the lead and she was the producer,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Justin Maldoni, who she is in a legal lawsuit with
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: back and forth, he's now suing her. New York Times
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: for writing about her complaint and lawsuit. He was the director.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: So in it, there was this whole thing about what
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: cut they were going to do. And she, as an actress,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: wanted to be in the editing room and have her
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: own notes and have her own version of it. Which
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: version did they use? Did they use hers or his?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they used hers.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: So they used hers. So the movie I saw was
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: her cut. And when we found out that there was
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Her cut and his cut, many people said, oh, I
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: would have liked to seen his. So this guy gets
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: his award. He goes on for like a solid minute
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: plus saying, we are filmmakers, meaning the director. And, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of people would have maybe said this movie,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: which was like three hours long about some fashion person
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: or something, shouldn't. This is too long of a movie,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: too long. No one wants to see. But as the filmmaker,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: we should have final cut. We should have final cut.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Like you said, it's so clear. And I felt that
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: pretty obviously that was directed as like we don't need
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: an actress coming in and doing her cut of it. Which,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: you know, that kind of makes sense because a director–
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: But then in the Justin Baldoni thing, he was the
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: director and the star of it. So like if the
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: argument was going to be like we need to have
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: someone else's eyes so that if it was– I remember
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: when Barbra Streisand was like a director of a movie
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: she was in. There were articles about how like, oh,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: they linger– she has really beautiful hands, Barbra Streisand. They
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: linger on her hands and her long nails. Because, yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: if you're having final cut, I mean, as a man
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: or a woman, you are going to, you know, like
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: if I, when I did, I had final cut of
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: my standup special and I was like, not that angle.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Like I literally told the guy, I'm like, as many cuts,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: every single cut of the joke, I really don't want
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: from this side of my face. Yeah. You know? But
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: it's my material, it's my standup, so whatever. But if
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: it's a story that someone's telling, and as an actress,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: you've just got to like, I can see why it
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: will affect the film if someone gets in there that
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: wasn't the director. And then also they're maybe thinking about
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: their own looks or whatever. So that was interesting. But
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: now why don't you first go through what you have
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: of what Blake Lively's complaint and lawsuit is?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was like my hyper fixation over the break.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And I was telling my audience, I'm not a lawyer.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not a journalist. I'm just nosy. So like take
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: everything with a grain of salt and do your own research.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: But So when her lawsuit came out, the reason I
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: was fascinated is because I've worked in the marketing end
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of things for so long on corporate and with public figures.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And I've never seen what she was alleging, the dirty
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: PR tactics, which I'll get into. But the basis was
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: that she's saying that she felt like it was an
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: unsafe work environment and there was just boundaries that kept
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: getting crossed. So there were sexual harassment things that she's
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: claiming was going on. But for me, the weirdest thing
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: was that She's claiming he said he could, like, talk
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: to her recently dead dad and, like, had messages for her. And, like,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: to me, like, that does show a little bit of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: an odd mental state going on maybe. And then he
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: was— Let's quickly just go through— Some of the sexual
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: harassment stuff that she said. So some of the other
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: sexual harassment stuff was that during the, it seems like
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the main one was there was this birth scene and
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: when they were filming it, it wasn't a closed set.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And so there was a lot of people moving about, um,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: such as one of the financers that wasn't supposed to
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: be on set that day. She was not given the
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: undergarments to like cover up accordingly.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Down there as she's acting like she's pushing out a baby.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Yes. They just gave her a little piece of fabric
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: to cover up. And then they had like, She thought
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: there would be a local actor that was going to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: play the OBGYN. And then she found out that it
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: was Justin Baldoni's best friend that like just wanted to
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: be there. And then she felt.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Like you just gave him a little part.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Like it was just I think she and again, like
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I think I'm biased right now towards
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Blake Lively's side. And so that's going to come out
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: in the way I describe it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: But like.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Well, just describe it.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: It's fine. Yeah. And so.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: And it's like we're going back and forth and there's
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. And that's why I'm excited to
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: talk to you about it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And so. But what really seemed to set this day
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: over the edge was the co-producer who's also named in
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: the lawsuit, Jamie Heath. He's like Baldoni's best friend. They
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: have a feminist podcast together.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: But like. So they they present that both present themselves
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: as male feminists.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's just. To me, that's already a little odd.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I'll get into why.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: My friend Kate Casey, friend of the show and also
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: has a great podcast, she said, I think he's definitely
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: doing a long grift as a feminist.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: And I'll get into that.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I just thought that was such a funny expression.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And I'll get into that because the lawyer he hired
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't align with his feminist values. But so the guy,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Jamie Heath, pulls up a video kind of unprovoked and
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: is showing Blake Lively a home birth of like his wife,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: just like naked in a bathtub.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: So not Justin Bell, Donnie's wife?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: No, it was Jamie Heath and his wife.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I thought it was Justin's wife. People are mixing up.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: So what people are confusing is that, cause I read
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: through the whole thing. So like a lot of it is,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni and Jamie Heath were both doing things, but
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: people are getting them crossing.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Because there's just so much info.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Jamie Heath isn't as public of a figure. And then
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: so a few other things were like he was adding
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: in sex scenes that weren't in the book and or
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: in the script originally. And then he would ask Blake Lively, like,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: what kind of porn do you watch? Like, I watch porn.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I'm addicted to it. And then she felt uncomfortable and said, well,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I've never seen it just to stop the convo. And
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: then he announced to the whole crew, well, Blake Lively's
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: never seen porn. And she was humiliated. And then he
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: would talk about how in a scene that he's filming
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: with Blake Lively, him and his wife always climax together.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: And so he wants him and Blake to climax together
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: in the scene because that's how him and his wife
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: And so that was one of those gratuitous sex scenes
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: that she said, I don't want to have. And she
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: actually did like an amendment to her contract. Like, I
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: don't want these extra orgasm scenes. Correct. Right. And yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: And so what seems to have really set this off
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: was there was already this uncomfortableness brewing on set. Like
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: she was saying that he would kiss her and linger
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: more than he had to in scenes. And then as
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the director, he was having them shoot the scene over
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: and over. So she's like, OK, how many times do
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: we have to kiss? So then you have the writer's strike.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And then as they're coming back from the writer's strike,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: her team then sends over a doc that was like, hey,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: like if Blake Lively is going to return to set,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: here's some just things that we want to change and
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: we want you guys to acknowledge. And the co-producer, Jamie Heath,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: signed off on this doc. And there's a doc you
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: sign receipt of like when he opens the email and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: everything and signed off. And so then and this was
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: all what's crazy to me is like this was all
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: dealt with privately. So she thought like and it sounds
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: like when they returned to set, things were fine. Like
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: it sounds like Ryan Reynolds was on set to also
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: just keep an eye on things. She was not planning
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: to go public with the sexual misconduct allegations. And what
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: ended up happening from her allegations is that he then
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: has a PR firm that he's working with. And He's
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: getting nervous that Blake Lively's team is going to start
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: leaking to the press what was going on. And so
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: he then hires a third party PR firm called Tag.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: And this team was also associated with Johnny Depp. They've
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: been associated with the Amber Heard trial. They follow Jason Sudeikis.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: We know there was a lot of salacious articles that
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: came out about Olivia Wilde a few years ago.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Right. When she was breaking up with him to have sex.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Her relationship with Harry Styles during that movie called Don't
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Worry Darling.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Right. And so this is a team that and this
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: is really where things kick off because this is the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: weeks leading up to the movie coming out. Blake Lively
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be going public about any of this.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: And what set Justin Baldoni off is that and they
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: have the text message threads is that he realized that
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds unfollowed him on Instagram or blocked him. He
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you know, he couldn't access his account. And so he
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't sure if he was going to hire the third-party
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: PR team, but that was like his moment to be like, oh,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: my God, we need all hands on deck. Let's get
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: this other team pulled in.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Because he anticipated that they were– Going to come forward.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Okay. And so what we see from the text– and, again,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: this is where I'm fascinated is the marketing side. And, again,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I'll allege it, but what we're seeing in the text
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: is this team was like– they were saying that they
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: can't say on record what they're gonna do because they'll
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: get in trouble and if this ends up in the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: wrong hands. And these were.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: All text messages that because she was filing a lawsuit,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: was able to depose these text messages. And that's what
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: her attorneys used to build a case of the smear campaign.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Well, and I don't think that they would have ever
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: even known how to like that the text even existed.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: But what ended up happening and there's another lawsuit that
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: has been filed from a PR firm Against one of
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the girls on Justin's team where she unrelated to It
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Ends With Us got fired from the PR firm because
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: they an IT person caught her downloading company docs, but
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: changing the logo to from their logo to what her
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: new company's logo was going to be in that flagged
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: in the system. So they brought her in and fired her.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: So she was being fired for stealing clients or presenting
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: herself as a bigger deal than she was. Okay, got it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: And launching a competing firm and downloading their docs. And
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: so she was brought in. It was like, I think
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: it was August 21st. And they fired her on the
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: spot and she had to turn over her devices. And
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: it was on those devices that then they read all
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: of these messages that were pretty damning for Justin and
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: his team. And What scares me the most is they
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: were working with this outside guy. He has no digital footprint.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: New York Times said that they couldn't find any information
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: on him other than he lives in Austin. And he
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: had a LinkedIn profile. He described himself as a hired gun.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: But when they reached out for comment, he deleted his profile.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: You can't find anything. All they know is his name
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: is Jed, and he lives in Austin. He, in the
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: text messages, he's never directly in any of the group chats.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: But one of the girls, they're sending her links to TikToks.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: And she's saying, okay, we're sending them to Jed. He's
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: able to, and she even said, we won't use bots
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: for this because that will be too suspicious. But he
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: is able to either push a thing in the feed
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: on the TikTok feed or what scares me the most,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: it's easy to push something. You get a bunch of
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: people to like it. He was able to pull videos
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: off the For You page. So if they saw a
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: video that was starting to be critical of Justin Baldoni
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and there were other HR complaints from other people that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: were circulating about him, not Blake Lively related, that they
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: didn't want to come out. So there was a girl
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: who made a video about it. And in the text thread,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: they send the link to this video and they go,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Jed is handling it. He's pulled it off the feed.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So he pulls these videos off the For You page.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he works at TikTok. That to
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: me is like I that's like the eighth wonder of
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: the world that I like want to know before I die.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how was he able to manipulate the algorithm?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And then the last damning thing that I'll say.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: And that's where the bots thing comes through. Right. That
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: through this. Weird Austin dude. Yes. Was he running a
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: bot farm in Texas where you started and they talk
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: about the Reddits and all of this where it's like, oh,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: my God, it's going crazy. Everybody's talking about what a
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: bitch Blake Lively is. And maybe not everybody was.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe, you know, with the bots and the anonymous things of,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: you know, that you do on Reddit, they're going back
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: and forth with each other, but it's all not real.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It's not, yeah. And then it becomes real because these
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: creators like, and I've been victim to it where if
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: you make your money on like the TikTok for you
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: page or, you know, the podcast, whatever, it's like, Oh, well,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the people that are bashing Blake Lively, like those are
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: what's going viral. Like I need to make a thousand dollars,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: you know, from a video this week to pay rent. Like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: let me just post a TikTok bashing her because.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: With a title like Blake Lively is a bitch or
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I waited on Blake Lively and she didn't tip or whatever.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And even if you have nothing and you're like, OK,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: it was my cousin's friend. enough people will watch it
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: to the one minute mark.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: And you're monetarily incentivized now. And then the last thing
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I'll add that was really damning to me that I, again,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: working on the backside, I would love for them to
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: answer for, they might have to now that they're going
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: to trial, is that Melissa Nathan, the girl that works
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: at Tag PR, which their financial backer is Scooter Braun.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I think that's interesting. But... And it's in the emails
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: and the text messages that they're talking to her sister,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Sarah Nathan, who's an editor at Page Six, New York Post.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: And so Sarah Nathan is publishing articles about Blake Lively.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: And nowhere in this article is she disclosing her family
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: tie to the woman who was hired to run an
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: alleged smear campaign against Blake Lively. And there's emails between
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: the teams that Sarah's getting ready to publish these articles.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: And there's a conflict of interest there. And like I
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: went in and looked at every Sarah Nathan article in
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: the past few months. She's written some about Olivia Wilde.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Tag PR only follows 25 people. One of them is
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Jason Sudeikis. Tag PR was at the Ted Lasso season
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: three premiere. And I'm like, so should Sarah Nathan be
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: disclosing that her sister is the crisis comms person? And
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: it's just fascinating. Like now I look at all of
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: these articles and I'm like, is the journalist like, Thanksgiving
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: dinner with that like there's all these ties now that
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: they're not disclosing and I think that's pretty damning.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: So the thing comes out a lot of people come
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: forward I stand with Blake however nobody was coming forward
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: when she was getting shit upon in the smear campaign
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: right everybody act like they didn't know her right that
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: they hadn't worked with her and they're like what I
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: don't know the story then they're like I stand with
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Blake like right like just like with the Harvey Weinstein
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: everybody knew the only person that said it was Courtney
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Love Don't.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Go upstairs in a hotel room.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: With Harvey Weinstein. When that all came out, then everybody's
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: wearing black to the Oscars and a button saying, me too.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: But they were silent the whole time. Maybe they knew
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: not to go upstairs in the hotel room, but they
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: were silent. So I'm like, oh, it's interesting that everybody's standing.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: And again, I stand with Blake Lively, page six, writes
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: an article. It's a way to get something. So then
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: he's like, F this. And he comes after her. But
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: first I want to talk about some of the stuff
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: that we saw that was happening that was not flattering
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: towards Blake Lively when it was going down. One was, no,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I was shocked. I never read the book and I
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: was shocked to hear based on the promotion of the
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: movie and her with the flowers in the background and
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: her dress, grab your girlfriends and your flowers and go
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: see it ends with us. When I thought it was
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: about domestic violence and a woman escaping such a relationship
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: and generational domestic violence, I was like, wow, that's weird.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: And then it was like, well, he wanted to he
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: the feminist wanted to promote it that way. But they're
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: not talking and they're not taking photos together and she's
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: promoting it this way. Well, one of the things that
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: came out was that she was told by the studio
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: that we're going to promote it this way.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: She signed a contract.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: When she started the movie, they all did that they
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: have to promote it without mentioning DV. You even see
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: in the text with his team that they're like, oh, crap,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: like people are realizing that no one's doing photos or
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: press with him. OK, well, we know that they all
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: have to promote it this way. Let's just go off
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: script and say that's why, that he was the one
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: who didn't want to promote it with them. So they
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: were maneuvering, knowing that that was the contract that Blake
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Lively had signed.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Right. So that's OK. So that was really interesting. Also,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: this interview comes out that goes viral from a few
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: years back. Blake was pregnant with one of her kids.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I believe she has four with Ryan Reynolds. And the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: interview is Norwegian. And she goes, I just want to
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: say congratulations on your bump. And she's sitting there with
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Parker Posey. And she goes, well, congratulations on your bump.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: She's like, oh, I'm not pregnant. And this woman that
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: put it out there said it was the worst interviewing
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: experience she ever had. And the two girls were– Parker
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Posey came off awful too. They both came off bitchy. Now,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: if you want to be defenders of them, you could
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: say these press things are hideous and they're all day
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: long and you're obligated to do it as part of
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: the movie. And they were just like, you know, being
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: like that. But one of the things on the other
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: side was on Blake's defense, people thought, well, was that,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: did they find that woman? Did they find that video?
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Or did it really organically make its way to the
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: internet because that girl was just like, You know who
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: was a bitch to me? And put it out there.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: What do you think happened with that video from many
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: years ago?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I think that the journalist is maybe acting alone. I
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: think she's also like at the mercy of these algorithms.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting, like she did kind of jump.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: She recently tried to do something similar to Anne Hathaway.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Like it's just I think there is something like a
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: little malicious in purposely releasing super old video clips. And like, yes,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I do think that like it makes Blake Lively look bad.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: But I think that it was like it was just
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: interesting timing. That woman also put out a video that
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: made Amber Heard not look great with hashtag justice for
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Johnny Depp when he was working with the tag PR team.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Now, she I've read somewhere that she said, no, I
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: you know, I did this on my own. But how
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: would we ever know? You know, how would we know?
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: She might have done it on her own.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: But we won't. But we don't know. And I mentioned
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: that there is an interview I came across of a
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: guy who is a hairdresser for movies. And he has
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: a book about his life. And he's older now, but
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: he worked in movies. And I saw this interview and
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I listened to the whole thing. And this is before
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: the lawsuit, but post, this is like a month ago.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: And he rips Blake Lively apart. And he says, oh,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Cate Blanchett was so, you know, I work with Cate Blanchett.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: And she'd asked me about my daughter. And it was Thanksgiving.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: And she had me come over for Thanksgiving. And Blake
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Lively never asked me about my family. And I did
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: her hair. And, you know, and then she invited everybody
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: over for Easter. dinner. And we got there. She invited
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: the whole crew over there. Blake did. And she was
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: so frazzled trying to make these pastries that she didn't
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: serve us any dinner until I finally just ripped into
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: the ham. And I'm like, this is before the lawsuit.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: I kind of was like, okay. Maybe Cate Blanchett is
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: kind of an exceptional person.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Just because she's an exceptional person to her hairdresser and
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: includes him like family and has Thanksgiving food flown over
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: from America for him. I just felt like in this
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: particular interview, it's not really fair for you to come
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: because I'm like with makeup artists and hair people on set.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe certain artists don't want to talk to you because
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: they're focusing on getting ready for it.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: And for then your perception to be like, oh, you
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: were just a bitch and you never asked about me.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I was like, that's interesting. And he also said Anne
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Hathaway was a bitch. Or thereof. Also didn't speak highly
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: of her. Also said she was the other worst person.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: So those little clips of that guy, this hairdresser guy
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: who had a book, those went viral. And that's why
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I found the podcast, listened to the whole thing. And
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, should I have this guy on my show?
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Because I really wanted to be like, what about someone
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: that just wants to be quiet while you do their hair?
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: What about someone that just, you know, like, whatever. Maybe
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: you just really clicked with some people and some people
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: you don't.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of like.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: So anyway, that happened. There were other interviews that she
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: did that she comes off odd and weird.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: This one was a great movie I've talked about, Simple Favor.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: I love it. And with Anna- Kendrick? Yeah. And I've
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: talked about it because I do kind of feel her
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: character in that was very much kind of who Blake is.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Besides the criminal stuff in the movie. But like she
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: just kind of like a really someone that was had
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: pretty privilege. Someone that you know like there was something
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: where she's like I couldn't sing or dance but they
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: always put me in the front of show choir. Yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Just someone that things came very easily to. But she's
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: I think she's also very fun to watch on film
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: and I think she's a good actress. But So she
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: has that going where the perception could be, this is
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: a girl that reminds me of who I hated in
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: high school, so I hate her too. So she has
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: a little of that going for her. But in this
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: particular interview, it's very weird. This guy is talking to
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: the both of them. It's very obvious. It's so obvious
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: they don't like each other. And at one point, Blake goes,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: why are you asking her all the questions and not me?
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Like something like that. That's very odd interview. And then
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: this one. was came out where she's with the other
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: guy from It Ends With Us doing an interview. And
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: this guy who's like on a Zoom says, this is
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: about domestic violence. And what would you say if someone
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: came up to you in a similar situation being that
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: now you've played a character like that? And she tried
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: to be funny. And I feel like she's one of
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: those people that's maybe married to someone kind of funny.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: So like, she thinks she's funny. Like she just sort
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: of misses the mark. And she goes, Oh, I would say,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: here's my phone number. Here's my address. Let's hang out.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: And then the guy's like, or give your social... Then
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: he's kind of like, oh, or give your social security number.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: The whole thing was so weird. It's like, no, what
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: you should have said was, well, I certainly wouldn't be
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: the person to talk about it too, but I would
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: definitely encourage them to go report it, see a counselor,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: get out. That's what a normal person that's playing that
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: role would say.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: So.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Now we have all these moments that anyone can pick
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: apart to make her look poorly.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: So then we get into, so was it a smear campaign?
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Were there bots used on the part of Justin Baldoni?
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: And so then he goes, F this, he goes and
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: sues the New York Times who wrote about it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: And he felt it was in a liable way. He's
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: suing for defamation. Yeah. Because he felt there were things
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: that were left out of text messages and things left
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: out of the complaint when they wrote about it in
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: a very biased way against him. And some of the
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: things that he combats is one of her complaints was that,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: you know, she didn't want him in that addendum, I guess,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: that happened between the break of the strike.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Was I don't want him coming in my dressing room.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: While I'm half naked or whatever.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: And he presents a text that says, where something, let's
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: talk about this scene. And she goes, sure, one of
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: my kids is sick, but I'm in my dressing room pumping.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Come any time. He's like, I'm finishing eating. She's like,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: take as much time as you want. So then in
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: her complaint where she said he walked in when I
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: was breastfeeding and wouldn't leave. And he's like, here is
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: the time that she invited me and acted like it's fine.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: And for many women, that would be fine. If you're pumping,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: you just put your shirt over. And yeah, it's still
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Intimate and weird, but maybe she felt comfortable enough to
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: have him. So there's that. What do you think of
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: that situation?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I do think it's so interesting. And
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I read through his whole thing because I was like, okay,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: let's hear it. If you want.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: To summarize his whole thing, what do you think he's
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: getting out there?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: So I think that this was just him putting out
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: a frivolous lawsuit to just get his story out there
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: because no one's won. a lawsuit against the New York
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Times since 1964. Like, it's just, they're, no matter what
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: people think, like, they are pretty good at reporting. Like,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: they're not just going to make these mistakes, you know?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: And so his lawsuit against New York Times, one, he says, like,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: at one point, they have a big reveal of a
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: text message from Blake that shows she gave consent once,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: and it was her signing off on a message with
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: an X at the end. And his lawyer's like, Well,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: you know, X is the universal letter for kisses. So
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: anytime he kissed her after that, it was consensual. She
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: sent an X once. And I was like, are you kidding?
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Like, wow.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Like, if you guys read it, it's like laughable. And
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: then the pumping thing also- Her claim is that they
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: were repeatedly entering while she was breastfeeding. I've never had
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: a kid, but I would assume pumping and breastfeeding are
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: a little different.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: They are different because you have a machine. I'll say
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: you have a machine.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: You can certainly cover your baby's face when you're at
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: a restaurant while you're breastfeeding. But you've got to switch
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: the breasts. It's definitely more intimate.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Then but still both are intimate and weird. But maybe
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: for someone they wouldn't care, you know.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: And who hasn't had a coworker, guy or girl, where
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: you're working and maybe when you first meet them, you
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: think something's kind of normal or whatever. And then maybe
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: you get a weird vibe after and you're like, OK, well,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: let me not take my lunch break at the same
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: time as them. Yeah, that happens as well. And so
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: all of his texts from her are early on in filming.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: There's not to say that maybe she became aware of
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: certain behavior later that made her uncomfortable.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Early on in filming is interesting.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: And so a lot of his also like some of
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: his claims. So this is a lawsuit against the New
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: York Times. And yet he's very emotionally charged in this
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: lawsuit talking about how Ryan Reynolds berated him once and
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: hurt his feelings. What does that have to do with
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: the New York Times that reported on the story?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: And the reason he berated him, the story that I
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: read or whatever is. It was because he found out–
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds' husband to Blake Lively found out that he
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: asked Blake Lively's trainer how much does she weigh because
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: there's a scene in which he picks her up and
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: puts her on the counter to like make out with her.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: And he was like, well, I was, and his defense was,
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: I was training and I have a bad back and
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: I needed to know, you know, is she 125 or
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: is she 135? Because that 10, I'm just, this is
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: me paraphrasing. Maybe that 10 pounds would make a difference
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: in my, to talk to my trainer and about doing it. Well,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: it got back to her and she felt it when
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: she was being fat shamed. She obviously expressed it to Ryan,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: her husband. And then he, according to Justin and some
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: other people that were supposedly there, some other celebrities, He
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: berated him at their penthouse.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: And so, like, again, this is where I'm I think
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: it's a catch 22 for Blake and Ryan, because what
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I was saying in one of my videos is like,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I think there that the conversation could have been even
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: more than just fat shaming if there really was some
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: sexual harassment going on. We haven't heard Ryan's counter to
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: that conversation yet. But if Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively had,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: you know, walked with Justin Baldoni on the carpet and
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: shook hands and were kumbaya if this the sexual misconduct
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: allegations or fat shaming came out later then all of
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni's fans would be like but why would Ryan
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Reynolds be friends with someone who sexually harassed his wife
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like is this not further proof that like something
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: was going down like I almost think him including the
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: fact that Ryan Reynolds had a problem with him is like, yeah, like,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: isn't that what like victim blamers would say? Like, wouldn't
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: the husband like stick up for her if that was really, yeah,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: he did. Like, and so it's a catch 22.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: One of the things in his complaint that I've seen
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: a lot about is about this beanie. So she, Blake,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: has text messages where she's like, I'd like to talk
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: more about the wardrobe of this character. And I really
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: kind of like this sexy vibe of a beanie. And
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: it's like they're going back and forth. And his thing
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: is we had a wardrobe stylist on the show that
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: was supposed to bring you the outfits. The way it
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: works when you're on film is you have appointments with
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: wardrobe and they come in and they bring like five
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: things and you take photos of it and they take
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: a Polaroid of it and they get it approved. And
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: they're like, now, if something looks horrible on you, you
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: could say, oh, my God, like these pants don't fit
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: and they find you something else you work with. the
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: wardrobe person you know but it's really down to what
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: the producer or director wants you to wear for that
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: scene and she was like they're my own jeans and
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I want to do my own thing and also made
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: the wardrobe person bring all the clothes to her home
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: versus doing it on set and which he said then
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: cost money and time. So does that make her difficult?
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You're the star of the movie. I
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: don't think it's that big of a deal for a
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: wardrobe person to bring the clothes. But, I mean, Brandon,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: you have to pack it up, whatever. I don't think
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: that makes her a monster.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: But that's just my opinion.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Right. I think that, like, in his countersuit to The
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: New York Times, not even to her, I think that, like,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: he's really setting the tone that she was difficult to
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: work with. in pre-filming, like you were saying with the clothing, also, like, post-filming, which, like,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I do think, like, she probably seems like she could
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: be difficult, but I feel like it's not, like, he's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: not negating the fact that she's saying she was sexually harassed.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Right, you can be, two things can be true at
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: the same time, certainly, like, you can be not the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: easiest delight. Right. You know, as Cate Blanchett might be. Like,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: you might not, you know, there's certain people that say,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Keanu Reeves, greatest guy in the world, like, no one's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: reputation is ever going to a supersede Keanu Reeves as
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: being the nicest actor in the world. So it's like,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: where are we judging it? Are there a lot of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: women that probably are doing movies that are like, oh
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: my God, I've got four kids. Could you, could you
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: have the wardrobe person bring tomorrow's clothes to my house?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Because I'm just like exhausted. Can we do it here?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, sure. You know?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Okay. That what tacked on another $ 600 to the budget.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know. for this woman's time or whatever.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: And I think too, like even the clips you were
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: showing here, I actually think that I made a video
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: about this when the movie came out and I had
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: a theory that I actually think would align with all
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: of this. I said that when the promo was coming
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: out where she was kind of downplaying the DV and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: this is like where I do think that like she
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: came off awful in the press, but I almost think
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: that when she, everyone thinks her and Justin are fighting
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: over the movie rights for the sequel or whatever. I
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: stand in my theory that I almost think when Blake– Oh.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: So wait.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: They think they're fighting over it because there's a sequel?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: They think she's– Wait.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: So wait.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: So there's a sequel and they think whoever prevails, then
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: the other one would be replaced? Right. Because they obviously
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: can't work together.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: They want their rights.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Got it. Okay. I didn't know that part.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Right.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: And so what I actually think is happening, I think
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: that Blake didn't actually read the book or know much
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: about the movie when she signed on. because Colleen Hoover,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: when it came out that this movie was coming out, yes,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: she specifically asked for Blake Lively. And so then Blake
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Lively signs on. And then as she's talking about the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: book and the character, I almost think that she wasn't
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: actually that. And this is where I'm critical of Blake.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I think she comes off awful in these interviews because
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: obviously at this point she's filmed the movie and she's aware.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think she actually knew much about the depth
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: of this story when she started. And it would make sense.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: And like her being demanding, if Colleen Hoover was adamant
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: about having Blake Lively and wrote the book thinking of
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Blake Lively, like Blake Lively is probably like, yeah, you
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: have to bend at my whim if I'm going to
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: do this. Like, I honestly think that like she didn't know.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: And now it's kind of blown up in both of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: their faces. And so and also just one thing I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: want to add to with the two clips you showed
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: as well, something that's interesting. This is where my like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: marketing brain kicks in. if you look at the profiles
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: of the people posting these videos, they're not real people.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: They're meme accounts. The one before was like a photo.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: So if you go to the other one, a meme account.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: So this one, not a real person. It doesn't seem there.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: At least it's not. And then the one before this
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: is a, it seems like a meme account. And so
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I think that there's a potentially a team pulling clips
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: like this and resurfacing them. So I just wanted to
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: add that in.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: OK, so this girl I found.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: And she has a good following. Her name is Bohemian Diva.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: So she brought up this thing where in Deadpool, which
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds is a star of. And of course, that's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: a huge movie. And also they're both represented by William Morris. W. Yes.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: W.M.E.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: And after the lawsuit that Blake brought, Justin was dropped.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: And in his countersuit, he said that is because of
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: the power that Blake and Ryan Reynolds have. William Morris
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: came back and said that's not true. But I will say,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: being someone in Hollywood, I have on more than a
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: few occasions witnessed when two people are both represented by
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: the same agency and one is much more powerful than
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: the other. and they have a falling out or the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: writer gets fired from the TV show and the TV
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: person is the star. And shortly after they say, hey, sorry,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: this isn't a call I like to give you, but
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: we just don't think we can do the job that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: you deserve. And they let them go. I don't know
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: that there is ever this person saying to the agent,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: fire that person that's no longer in my life. Or
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: if the agent takes it upon themselves to do it
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: so they please the bigger star. And also because now
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: this person doesn't have the regular gig with the bigger
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: star and they would actually have to work for them.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: And agents are lazy like a lot of people are lazy.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: And so it's like with this particular thing, I believe, yeah,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: they let him go because he had massive stink on
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: him and because they're much bigger star, which is the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Deadpool thing that is just like one of the biggest
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: movies in the last five years. They were like, whether
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: they asked him or not, they probably were like, we
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: got to get rid of Justin. We're going to stick
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: with our bigger person and please him. So that is
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: my personal opinion. So in the movie, which I've never
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: seen the Deadpool movies. Okay.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: There is one scene where he's like talking to the
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: camera and it was something about, oh, the proposal. And
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: I think most people thought Ryan Reynolds, who was in
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: a movie called The Proposal with Sandra Bullock. And it
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: was a dumb, what I like to call dry bar movies,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: which they play them when you get your hair blown out, okay,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: from like mid-2000s.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: And so when he did that, I think most people
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: that got it thought he was mocking himself about a
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: bad movie, The Proposal. But this was filmed, according to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: this girl, what I gathered, during the time that She,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: you know, none of these problems had happened or the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: loss or maybe they'd done filming. I'm not really sure
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: of the timeline. But this girl seems to think, was
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: he mocking Justin Baldoni's proposal video? Now, I heard about
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Justin's proposal. So Justin is married. Justin Baldoni made a
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: proposal video for his wife. I had heard about this.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: I couldn't find it. Just before you came, God bless
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: this woman. Women Do Matter is this site. And this
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: girl has the video. And it's 30 minutes long. And
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: I got to see three minutes of it. And it
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: really does say everything you need to know about Justin Baldoni.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: It is so crazy. Now, Again, the defense might be
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: he is a director. He is an actor. He has
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: all this stuff to do it. And he thought it
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: would be funny. And he just wanted to do it
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: because maybe there was a writer's strike too. And he
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: had time to do it. It's very elaborate. It starts
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: out where he's like in a boy band. And he's singing.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: It's so cheesy, but it's almost so cheesy that maybe
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: he thought his wife would think it was funny.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like he was still in
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: on the joke it seemed a little bit.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: It's so lame that I do think it was a
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: joke in his defense. And so then, you know, it's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: several different scenes. It's almost like there's dancing at a mall.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: There's this. Then he's in drag with other guys, but
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: like bad drag, like being funny. And she has to
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: sit there at the restaurant and watch it for 30
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: minutes before– she gets her ring. Okay. So people were like,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: what kind of monster, you know, does this? And again, yes,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: it's pretty lame, but it wasn't for, maybe, I guess he,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I guess he did put it out on YouTube thinking
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: it was great. Most people that film their engagements, put
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: it out on some platform, whether you're famous or not.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: But now in retrospect, people are like, how could you
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: even marry? It was not about her. It should have
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: been videos compiled of like, how wonderful she is throughout
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: her life and why he's choosing her.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: But also, I don't know. Everyone can, it's always that expression.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: A lot of housewives say it when someone is, you know,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: crying to a housewife about their dog dying. And they're like,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I know my dog died last year.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: It's not about you, Kelly. And it's like, there is
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: something like, God forbid you make it about yourself. Like everything,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: you know, it's like, well, how do you give a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: eulogy about someone who died if you don't, mention the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: time you spent with this person and if someone is
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: out to be like it's always about you they're gonna
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: say oh heather made that eulogy about herself like so
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: i'm like this is silly and dumb and.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Cheesy yeah i agree i in his i will defend
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: him with this yeah i think well one when i
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: watched the proposal video what i could get through immediately
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: i was like this is something tom sandoval would do
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: But like, I think that at the time he did it,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: it was maybe 10 years ago. That was when like,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: it was the BuzzFeed era of YouTube, like flash mobs.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Like this was kind of the thing.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's 10 years ago. I didn't realize it was
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: 10 years ago. Yeah.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: So like, I think it wasn't cringe at the time necessarily.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: I think it was kind of what people did. And
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: so I will defend him in that. And I'll also
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: say some of the people resurfacing this cringe proposal video,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: like again, it It's accounts that don't– aren't necessarily– they're
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: faceless accounts. They're like meme accounts that are surfacing, right?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Well, this girl's face did show up. Maybe they picked
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: it up. I don't know.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're reposting a TikTok.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: There was a girl discussing it. I have to say
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: when I first saw it, I was like, oh, my God.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: But now I'm like really talking about all this stuff
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: with you, finding out this was 10 years ago.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think it's that bad. I think he's
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: a theater kid that, like, that's kind of what they do.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: I think that's okay. And I don't think that that's incriminating.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I think him saying he could speak to her dead dad, like,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: to me, that's, like, crazy.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: That's weird. I think he is a fake feminist. I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: think there's a lot of really annoying things about him.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: I just want to add one thing about the feminist thing, like,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: because he had the TED Talk that went viral about
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: the Me Too movement. And that was when he then
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: launched a feminist podcast. What I will say is something
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: so interesting. It's one Google search away. The lawyer that
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: he just hired to counter sue The New York Times,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: this lawyer, again, not an admission of guilt, not an
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: admission of innocence. This lawyer settled his own essay claim
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: when he was in college. A minor said that she
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: was essayed.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: By the lawyer that's now defending Justin.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: The lawyer and his frat bros. to this girl. And
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: they settled and paid the girl out. Again, it's not
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: an admission of guilt or liability, but he did pay
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: this girl out. And the LA Times asked the lawyer
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: about it and he said, you know, it does help
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: me see both sides. I defend, you know, both types
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: of people. So I just think it is interesting to add, like,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: was there no other like lawyers near me on Yelp
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: available that day? Like if he is such a feminist,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: would he not want a team that represents those values?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Or Was that always just a cash grab? I don't know.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: It's not hard to find that info about his lawyer.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: His lawyer is very famous. Like anyone can find that info.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to add that.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: So here is, I mean, there were, so we, I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: think we really kind of covered it all. I don't
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: know if there's anything else that we didn't cover now.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Apparently now she is someone coming with another lawsuit because
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: he didn't sue her. He's suing. She is suing him
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: in the PR team. Do we know how much?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a disclosed amount.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: So then he is suing New York Times for covering
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: the lawsuit.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: $ 215 million.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: $ 215 million. And now I heard there's another lawsuit that's
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: going to drop. And is that going to be him
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: against her personally still? Or what's the next one?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: So his team has been saying that they're going to
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: drop a lawsuit. I like saying they have concepts of
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: a lawsuit.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Of another lawsuit.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe his lawyers referring to it as receipts, which like
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: to me, that's them just pandering to an online audience.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: They're not actually pandering to a judge.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: But there is a third lawsuit that is happening as well.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: So there was Blake Lively dropped hers. And then there
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: was a publicist named Stephanie Jones, who then dropped a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: lawsuit as well against Justin Baldoni.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: And what's she saying?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: She's the one that owned the PR company that one
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: of the employees worked at who kind of went rogue.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: on this alleged smear campaign. She was the one that
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: got fired. So the publicist fired that girl. That's where.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: And why is she suing Justin? Because.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: So he broke his contract allegedly. So he was supposed
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: to be contracted with Jones Work PR until May of
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: She's just suing him because like he owes her still
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: like 50,000 bucks or something.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: But her lawsuit is actually really fascinating because in it
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: she is talking about how Wayfair, his production company, and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: this employee of hers kind of went rogue. But what
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: she's alleging and her email and receipts that she has
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: are fascinating because in it and Blake's kind of alleges
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: this as well, is that the PR team, the third
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: contracted PR team that he outsourced when he got worried
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: that it was going to come out. What Steph Jones
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: is alleging in her lawsuit is that there's kind of
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: this paper trail of this is so like it could
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: be a reality show or like scandal. So he's talking
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: to the employee at Jones Work, and he's saying, I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: don't know that we need the extra eyes on this.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: I think we're OK. The outside firm was going to
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: charge $ 25, 000 a month. And then what Steph Jones is
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: alleging is that then her employee and this outside contractor
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: at Tag PR, they were then feeding bad stories about
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni to.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: The media.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: So they were feeding these negative stories that were just
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: cracking the surface of what might be happening. And then
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: he then sees these stories start to come out. He
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: thinks that maybe Blake Lively's the leak. And he then goes, okay,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: let's hire this outside contractor. And so her lawsuit more
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: goes into that side of the PR thing of that.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: She's alleging that they, and then in the paperwork, you
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: can see where they were then setting it up so
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: that the boss, Steph Jones, would be the fall guy.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: So if John, uh, just, and I do think Justin
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Baldoni in some ways has been victimized. I don't think
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: he knew the extent of the PR thing. I think
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: he just maybe hired some people that were acting on
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: his behalf. I think he's a little, seems naive to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: the PR side. So the PR firm is, um, in
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: their emails, even the Sony like president exec in one
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: of the emails, he sniffed it out from a mile away.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: So this rogue employee, he emails her and he goes, Jennifer,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: stop putting these stories out. We can't mess with the movie.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: And it's so crazy that he knew who it was immediately.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: But then the girl was like, no, it's my boss
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: doing it. It's not me kind of thing. Allegedly read it, whatever.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: But the Steph Jones is the third lawsuit you might
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: be thinking of. He's gearing up for another one. But
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: I actually think the Steph Jones lawsuit is overlooked, but
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: it has the most receipts out of all of them
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: in terms of the actual smear campaign that's being alleged.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Because she's the one that confiscated the phone and the
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: work laptop. So she had all of the emails and texts.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: When she got rid of the girl.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: When she fired the girl. She had to turn over
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: her thing that day.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: Okay. So in conclusion, what do you think, you know,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: a couple of things too that I just to add
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: to it that I don't want to forget. Ryan Reynolds
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: was married to Scarlett Johansson. And there is talk that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: there was some overlay between Blake Lively becoming his girlfriend
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: then wife. So that also doesn't help her reputation or
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: his for that matter. And there was also predictions I've seen.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: I predict they'll– this is not mine. He'll file for
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: divorce by March. I don't know. I don't want that.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: They have four kids. I think.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I do.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Think these type of things are bad to even venture.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: I think if she was really feeling the pain of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: the smear campaign and all of it, which I can
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: relate to, and wanting to clear your name and wanting
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: to defend yourself, if she was my best friend, I
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: would have been like, you need to get another fucking
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: movie and kill it. You need to do such a
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: great thing. And when you get on that set, you
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: are going to be the biggest Keanu Reeves, Cate Blanchett
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: delight that ever lived. Like the food is going to
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: be the best on your set. You are going to
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: look everyone in the eye and you are going to
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: do a great job as an actress and you're going
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: to look stunning. And like, you're going to let this
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: sit for a minute and you're going to come out
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: and no one's going to remember it. That I think
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: would have been better because now she's got to fight
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: the text receipts, which are questionable on his side in
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: defense of him. And how things can be interpreted. And
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: I understand why he went full force because he's like,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: I'm done. Once the agent dropped him, the agent wasn't like, listen,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: you can defend this. In the meantime, I'm going to
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: find you another movie, dude, because you are great. No,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: the agent was like, bye, weirdo. And I've also had
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: that happen where people have dumped me because I had
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: stink on me. Hollywood stink is what I like to
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: call it. And you can come back. You know, he
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: didn't he did not. rape someone he did not kill
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: someone he wasn't a child molester like you can come
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: back from some questionable weird behavior that's really all it
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: was so it's like but now this whole thing they
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: don't go to the golden globes blake lively and ryan
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: which i could understand why and now they're in this
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: like awful thing at this point i would if i
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: was either one of them i would be like how
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: do we end this and make it go away. And
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: each take a three months break, have a truth. But
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: that's a lot easier said than done because you're so
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: heated now and you have so many people involved and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: you feel like both sides feel like they have been
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: portrayed so wrongly. And, you know, her like she probably
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: would have never said anything about the issue she had
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: with them on set. had this whole thing that I
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: definitely think was a smear campaign. I definitely think there,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: whether it was him, the PR firm or whatever, whoever
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: took it upon themselves, the guy in Austin, 100 percent,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: it was to make her look bad. And then when
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: that then when she was like, screw this, I can't
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: get work. I my she's up at night talking, reading
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: about what an asshole she is. She's like, fuck this.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: I was sexually harassed like this guy's.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: So then she went for it. And now he's like,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: oh my God, I'm not going to just go away
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: and be a farmer in Omaha. Like I work too hard.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: Look at how talented I am in this proposal video.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: So that's what I think is, I think this wills,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: somehow find some resolve in the next month. I do
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: not think it'll go to trial. That's my opinion.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I, I like my concluding thoughts are very
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: similar to yours. And, and what I was telling my
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: audience too, in my episode that just came out, I
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: was like, I hope that I'm wrong. Like best case
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: scenario is like, I'm writing for Blake Lively and best
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: case scenario is like nothing nefarious happened on set. And
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: then this has all just been like a PR disaster
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: because you never want someone to be harassed or feel
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: unsafe or to be a victim. Like, I hope that
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: I'm wrong. And like, I do think that like, he
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: just seems a little like maybe unaware. Like I do
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: think he seems, yeah. And so I hope that I'm wrong.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: And I will say though, like, you know, I report
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: on like more of the marketing and the PR side,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: but I do think that as I am reporting on that, like,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: So many people are chalking it up to just, you know, it's,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: you know, bad publicity, whatever. But I'm like, I think that, like,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: people still have to keep the tone that there is
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: something potentially unsafe. Like, I just feel like so many
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: people are reporting on it like tea.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: One thing we never talked about was the intimacy coordinator,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: which there is someone whose real job is to– choreograph
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: a sex scene and you know and there have been
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: stories where someone's doing an intimate sex scene and it's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: not a porn and they actually have said they were
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: penetrated you know like things like that and so you
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: do this and you make sure you're okay with it
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: you kind of know your routine of like I'm gonna
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: make out with you and then I'm gonna turn you
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: around and you know it and he said I have
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: the coordinator and he has the text to prove it
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: and she's like that's great he's like do you want
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: to meet with her now or whatever and she said
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: no I'll just meet with her before we shoot So
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: then with her complaining that the kissing lasted too long
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: and he wanted to do it with his going back
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: is you had the opportunity to have a bigger say
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: in this and you chose not to. Right. So professionally,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: I have the proof that you didn't make this a priority.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: So whether he overstepped or not to the public opinion,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: it's like you didn't go to rehearsal. You didn't do
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: your homework. You didn't read the book. Maybe. Yeah. So
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: it's like.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: I think you're so right. I think he was very
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: well intended, it seems, in so many moments. And like
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: what and like the if I were her friend or publicist, whatever,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: my advice to her would be, you know, Kylie Kelsey,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: Jason Kelsey's wife, the guy who's the.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: OK, so his wife, Kelsey Brothers.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: And, like, it's breaking news that she's now outperforming Joe Rogan, whatever.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Let's see if that lasts. Yes.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: We know when a new one comes, everyone subscribes and
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: it pops.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: And so if I was Blake Lively's team, I would
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: be like, okay, if the lawsuits get dropped, you know–
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Take a little bit of a breather. And then I
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: would send her on the Kylie Kelsey podcast because they're friends.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, they are friends. Yes.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: They know each other from Blake Lively. And Jason Kelsey's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: talked good things.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: About Blake Lively knows the Kelsey's.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: OK.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Taylor, you know.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: And so Blake Lively and Taylor are friends. Right.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: They're like best friends. I think she's going to navigate
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: this well, because if she has tree pain like Taylor
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Swift's publicist, I'm not even a Swifty. I just think
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: she like knows media more than anyone. OK, so she's
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: in good hands.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: Go on her podcast.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Go on Kylie Kelsey's new podcast. It's the biggest thing
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: right now. And I think if I was Blake Lively's team,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: I'd say, look, All of these TikTok tees.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't tell her to come on Juicy Scoop?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: And I would say, and you know what? Juicy Scoop.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: Come on, Juicy Scoop.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Right away.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: I defended you, Blake.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: I defended her many times in this episode.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: And right after Juicy Scoop, she's going to go on
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Kylie Cassie's pod. And I would say what I think
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: is happening is she's not going to reach the TikTok
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: tee pages. You know, I think she's kind of lost
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: some of that audience that's chronically online. That's okay. Kylie
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Kelsey's audience is like suburban millennial moms. Just lock in there.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Like you were saying, like do a movie that's really good.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Like what's like a movie that, you know, suburban moms
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: are going to watch. Do that. Do it well. And
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: like don't worry about the TikTok Gen Z tea pages.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: And also those.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: People that are writing videos that they say they hate you.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: In a year when your movie comes out and if
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: it's good– They're not going to remember that they launched
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: to hit you.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: They're like begging to go to the premiere, you know?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: So I will end it with- Well, I will say
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: this too.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: Another one of the complaints is that they got married
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: on an old plantation.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Not good. No, that's not good.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: How could you not know it? What did you not know? Well,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: there has been things like that. People have made mistakes
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: like that. They've gone to the Annabella- frat, what is
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: it called?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Antebellum South. She had like a website.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Antebellum South frat parties. And that happened to a
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: girl that was on The Bachelor. Yeah. And then, you know,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: what's his name? The guy that you, Chris Harrison. Yeah.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: Who defended this young girl for going to this frat
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: party when she was 18, got him fired from a
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: job that he had for 15 years as the host
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: of The Bachelor. So it's like, There are things like
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: that that I get. It doesn't look good and everything,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: but people forget.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: People forget and you're only as good as your last
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: performance is what we would say in the actor world.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: Or in this case, your latest movie, your latest podcast, whatever,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: you just got to keep going and most likely– especially
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: now with the cancel culture, I feel is getting shorter
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: and shorter and shorter, providing the crime. And I really
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: think that you can come back from it. Both of them,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: I think, can come back from this. But it was
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: fascinating and juicy because it did involve a whole new
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: smear media PR thing that we know has existed for
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: at least the last five or eight years. But this
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: was like some solid proof that this happens. People have
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: the ability to do this. They infiltrate Reddits with fake people.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: They have multiple accounts. All of it. It's true.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: And on both sides, it seems like it was true.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: But it's also very hard to prove.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: So hard.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's just like, yeah, they have a fake account. Like,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: does it mean they're doctoring these interview clips that she
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: looks really bad in? Like, I think that's their defense
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: is like, we're just pulling up the clips. Like, so
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: there is, you know.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, she has a certain kind of, Personality
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: way about her of communication that is inherently perceived as
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: kind of bitchy.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: Is that completely unprofessional? Is that the worst person in
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: the world to work with? Is that a little entitled?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Is that a little privileged? Is that pretty privileged? Is
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: that someone whose career came very, very easy to them? Yes.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: This is not someone that, you know, struggled and had
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: no connections and all of that.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: You know, is best at playing the roles. They said, oh,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: because she got her star as Gossip Girl. So they're like,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: she is that richy bitch Gossip Girl. Yeah, she is
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: the girl, in my opinion, the simple favor girl.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: You know? But I also really liked her when she
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: was in The Town with Ben Affleck. And that was
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: a totally different character. And I thought she was really good.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: So I think she's a good actress.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: Well, this was amazing. And I really appreciate you coming
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: and giving your expertise on this because there was so
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: much to cover. And I'm sure people will be able
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: to add more to it. Let's see if we're right
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: about what will happen, which is this will go away
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: and never see a courthouse or trial. But tell everybody
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: how they can follow you and everything. Yeah.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you liked these discussions, honestly, my podcast,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Ahead of the Curve, this is exactly what I dive into.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: I just love the analytics, the algorithms, and all that.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: So Ahead of the Curve and then the Substack is
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: where it's like the– more extended episodes if you like
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: to hear me talk even longer but yeah thank you.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: Well you were great and I'm so glad that you
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: could come on Juicy Scoop I'm such a fan thank
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: you oh well thank you I'm glad that you are thanks.
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