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Ep. 238 - How to Be an Effective Peacemaker · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, sometimes people need to be called out and that doesn't exactly seem to be a peaceful thing.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: But you'd be surprised that people don't need to be called out as much as you think, especially inside of a church setting.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: I remember I was attending a church some time ago and my theology began to evolve and I was in a teaching position and I remember approaching the pastor and I said listen, though my theology is evolving, I will not teach something contrary to what is taught here.
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: God hates discord, he hates the division that can happen, and I was careful not to do that until finally I just didn't belong, I didn't fit and I needed to kind of move on.
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: So we do need to be careful that we don't cause division and discord, that we don't do things that are not necessary.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: So we need to ask ourselves, we need to pause.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: How important is it for me to speak up at this moment to bring forth my opinion to what maybe even two of the people are talking about?
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: The people are talking about the people are talking about.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the how Many Teeth Would they have If they Didn't Live in the Modern Era Game, where we find out how many teeth they would have if they didn't live in the modern era.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: I would say that with Mark's Krispy Kreme Addiction and Oscar's chocolate covered lima bean habit, they both have about half a tooth each.
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: That's my guess.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: And, ray, I would say that with the 1, 1⁄10 of a nanosecond that you spend brushing and flossing your teeth, I would say you would have 1, 1⁄10 of a tooth.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: Would you agree?
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: I would slow it down, Would you agree?
• 2:49
  Speaker 3: Ray, yeah, I slowed it down.
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I brush my teeth in the shower always save time.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, ray, seriously, why have you guys none of you guys have ever brushed your teeth.
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: What does the shampoo taste like?
• 3:02
  Speaker 3: I foam at the mouth.
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: I would absolutely love to video you brushing and floss.
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it in my life.
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: You have to slow it down.
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Ray floss or brush?
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember one time he pulled out the floss.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, oh, here we go, this guy Done like from done, he has no time Brush it done.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: What a waste of time.
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: Get my eye, baby.
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: I'm fine.
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: I haven't had up shoelaces for years.
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you guys this how many times do you guys think the average person will spend flossing and brushing their teeth over the course of their lifetime?
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's different.
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: I gotta guess 15 minutes.
• 3:42
  Speaker 4: I flush floss after every meal.
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think many people do.
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: No, no, the average two times a day, or flossing once.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, I think the majority of people do not floss their teeth.
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: I like Oscar floss after every single meal.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: I do too.
• 3:55
  Speaker 3: I mean not two teeth, I've got this little plastic device in my pocket.
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really good I actually gave one with a track to somebody accidentally.
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: I apologize.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, listen to this.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: This is a UK thing, but the UK's average life expectancy currently standing at 81.5 years, if a person brushes their teeth for two minutes twice a day, over the course of their life, it would equate to 118,980 minutes, the equivalent of 1,983.16 hours, or slightly more than 82 days 82 days.
• 4:32
  Speaker 4: I mean you're talking.
• 4:33
  Speaker 4: That's why I don't brush my teeth.
• 4:34
  Speaker 4: What a waste of time.
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: But you're talking 24 hour, like just.
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: You start now and 82 days later.
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: Hey, maybe someone should do that when they're a kid and never have to brush their teeth Just done.
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: I'm done 82 days.
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: I have an electric toothbrush.
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: It takes me exactly three minutes to brush.
• 4:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got electric toothbrush too, but I don't spend three minutes.
• 4:51
  Speaker 3: Three minutes, I put it on high speed.
• 4:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah and I don't dump my shoelaces.
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: I always I just slip on my shoes, Cause I just spend two weeks tying shoelaces and a lifetime.
• 5:01
  Speaker 4: Did you look that up one day?
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I figured it out.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: If you followed your dentist orders and you spent about 730 minutes.
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: You spent 730 minutes last year more than half a day shoving wax string between your teeth.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: If you started at 10 and went to 80, you're spending 35 days out of your life flossing.
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: So between flossing and brushing, 112 days.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: Double that for Oscar and myself.
• 5:28
  Speaker 3: Out of your lifetime.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you guys are crazy.
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: Why does the dentist tell you to floss?
• 5:32
  Speaker 3: He wants your business, he wants to drill.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: He shouldn't tell you to say give it to you see, if you guys floss, okay, but if you had one or the other and you could only do one or the other, would you floss or brush Floss?
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, brush Floss 100% floss, oscar.
• 5:45
  Speaker 4: I really can't stand having food between my teeth.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: I think I'd floss.
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I've changed my mind.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: No, because yeah, you're sleeping and teeth, you know, food is stuck between your hands and Fur and that Cavities 3-1.
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: Fur between your teeth.
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: They say apples.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: He didn't hear in your teeth, yeah don't you know?
• 6:03
  Speaker 4: what's the worst is getting cotton between your teeth.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, utter torment.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: 20 gallons of toothpaste as used by the average person.
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: Guys, do you take?
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: Do you squeeze every ounce out of the tooth?
• 6:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know why you won't let it go.
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know I can do this.
• 6:21
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get one more out of it.
• 6:23
  Speaker 4: The other day I was doing that and I thought to myself this isn't worth it.
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: Like how much money am I saving here, but I still did it.
• 6:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's wrong with me.
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not alone.
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: You know what I stopped doing.
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: I used to when the soap would get bad in the shower.
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: Well, when it got small, yeah, I would like kind of roll it up in a ball and put it next on the next one.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: But I don't do that anymore.
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: You don't roll the ball, you put it on top and squeeze.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you do, but sometimes it's mushy and stuff.
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: I use liquid soap, you do.
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, really, body wash stuff.
• 6:54
  Speaker 4: I bet our listeners did not plug in today, expecting to hear our shower.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, enough of that.
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: I always jump a shoelaces in the shower as well.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: Racistly, you'd never tie your shoes.
• 7:09
  Speaker 3: No, no, there they are there.
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: When's the last time you tie them?
• 7:13
  Speaker 3: pre-tag when I bought.
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: Purchase these ones, tie them once and just slip them on.
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: That's why they look too big on me.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: Why don't you give them those shoes right?
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: All right, friends.
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: Here's a comment from Haas 96 how much you want to bet.
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: Easy's name is gonna be mentioned in this these three guys Fantastic podcast with Ray, mark and Oscar always encouraged and uplifted when I listened to.
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: You three Would love to sit and enjoy delicious cup of coffee in a mug with you guys.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: I purchased and received the Halloween track box last week, excited to pass them out in our Neighborhood.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: Emma, johns, man, oscar, you are having an influence.
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, and boy, were you ever wrong, mark?
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: I judge me off and ashes to judge me.
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: You made it up to New Year's.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: Thanks, haas 96.
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: I will not be sending you the big check.
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: Send you, but there you go.
• 8:08
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• 8:15
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• 8:19
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• 8:35
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• 8:42
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• 8:44
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• 8:47
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• 8:49
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• 8:54
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• 8:57
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• 9:01
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• 9:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really, but.
• 9:08
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• 9:10
  Speaker 2: There was a tough season for you.
• 9:12
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• 9:13
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• 9:14
  Speaker 3: I still find comments from people all the time the man and that's all they say that's the insult, but it makes me smile, and Scotty is the one that lifted me out of that really, oh yeah, tell us a story, what it's well we're driving a hunting beach and I just as oh, how horrible it is that strangers come up.
• 9:30
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• 9:35
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• 9:37
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• 9:40
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• 9:41
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• 9:43
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• 9:45
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• 9:47
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• 9:49
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• 9:50
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• 9:53
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• 9:54
  Speaker 4: That's the NBA guy.
• 9:56
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• 9:58
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• 10:01
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• 10:02
  Speaker 3: We had a great time.
• 10:03
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• 10:04
  Speaker 2: It was surprisingly pleasant.
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, not that I thought the guy was a monster, but he, he really, he was friendly and he was laughing and it was.
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: And he said that he was there when I preached at the atheist convention back in 2001.
• 10:18
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• 10:20
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• 10:22
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• 10:33
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• 10:37
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• 10:39
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• 10:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but Ray, would you?
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: I would love to see you sit down with Richard Dawkins.
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love that yeah.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: We do that sage yeah, oh yeah he's getting 80 something mark, if you really you're happy.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: If you had your choice of Anyone who's an unbeliever to sit down with For, like an interview or or whatever, who would?
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: Who would you pick?
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: It'd be either between Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan, really, oh, I feel the same.
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe Bill Maher.
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: Probably in third boy.
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: No, that is, you've got my top three.
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: Not just atheists, any non-believer, yeah, so would you pick?
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: It's a good question you know it is a good question.
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe Ben Shapiro, and that you know he's, he's had a lot of believers, plant and water with him.
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's had MacArthur on, he's had Vodion, he's had, you know.
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: I would just love to add to that a little bit.
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: And why don't we get those four in here?
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: Get him in here.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: Peace between.
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: Jews and Arabs.
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: Can we choose living or dead?
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: Sure, I'd go with David Foster Wallace, really for sure.
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: What would be what, but he wouldn't say much anymore.
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: I'd go David Foster Wallace.
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: I Probably go Sam Harris.
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: Oh and yeah.
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll choose two for me.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: That's good, yeah, market why?
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: Why Rogan and or Peterson?
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: well, I I don't think they've had great influences, christian influences, inside their life that would be able to rightly articulate what we believe and then hold them to the fire, right?
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: I think that they are a little passive and then they attack straw man arguments.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: So I think that would be good to share the gospel, share the law and you know and they're both searching.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean with Peterson, especially Peterson, you know, because he a lot of people, I think make the mistake of thinking, oh, he must be a Christian.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: He's definitely not.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: But I would love to put it to him and say what is your hang up Like what?
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: What is it about Christ that you're having a hard time with here, you know, and just kind of Push it that way, yeah, yeah.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I don't know how we got out on all that, friends, but I was talking about banana man.
• 12:48
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• 12:52
  Speaker 2: Wow, you're getting ready for that, oscar, you're right, he's coming.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, friends, today we are talking about how to be an effective Peacemaker.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: Peacemaker yeah, that's offensive.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: I almost sounded like pacemaker mark.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, peacemaker guys, yeah, peacemaking is Is something that I think kicks against our nature in every way.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: I think part of it is.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: We love to see a good fight.
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: Ray, why are your eyes closed?
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: You look no one just thinking about the word peacemaker and pacemaker, how they're very similar, I know.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, you know, I think there's that part of us that loves to see.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: We like, we just like drama.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: Hmm, you know and I mean we've talked about it before even the way things are titled by people, how people title their their you know podcasts or their videos on YouTube or whatever.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: If it's something mellow, it's like you know whatever.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: But if it's like you know, Mark Spence punches Jordan Peterson what?
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: why I was just sitting there.
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: Why would you do that?
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: We just put a video up and it was Ray talks to the nicest atheists and I thought that's not gonna work it was just a phenomenal guy that I was interviewing.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know well, and it's gone nowhere.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: It's had 40,000 views.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: That should have gone up through the top.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's got no punch to it and we don't know.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: We don't know what to title it.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I should have got on a Pokemon eye out.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, but there's something about that.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: But, but, man, you know to be a person who is is bent on making peace with others.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: We'll kick it off, of course, with with the most famous words regarding that Matthew 5 9 Blessed are the peacemakers.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, how happy are the peacemakers, for they shall be called Sons of God, and we're talking about peacemaking both between other people and between ourselves and others.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: And being a third as well, yeah, which is not necessarily bringing a momentary pause between people yelling and arguing and fighting, but a peace between God and man.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Right Blessed are the peacemakers who bring forth the gospel, the good news that blessed are those feet, blessed is that message, and oh, how happy is the individual who brings forth an eternal message that will bring the ultimate peace in someone's life.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Amen.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, ray, I I've always kind of had a I don't know a fondness for that term make peace with God.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a common one you'll hear said oftentimes say you need to make peace with God.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Elaborate on that a little bit, right.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, to some of our listeners I mean, what do you mean make peace with God?
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: God nice and Well, we're enemies of God and am I through wicked works.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: People don't realize that that we're in a state of hostility towards God, and I've often said that there's no person in history that's ever had his name used as a curse word other than Jesus Christ.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: And I think there's one thing that makes him really hated and really said.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: He said the world hates me because I testify of its deeds.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: They're evil, but I think the thing that stirs the world up to make them hateful towards him and use his name as a curse word is whoever looks upon a woman to lust for her is committed adultery already wither in his heart.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: That puts the finger in the eye of every man, whatever.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: It's just like you know, so we're told to have our feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: It's called the gospel of peace and, as Mark said, how beautiful on the mountains the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: And so that's what brings the ultimate peace between God and man.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: We were enemies of God in our minds.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: He reconciles us through the cross.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Just thinking this morning, there are certain things that steal my peace.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the natural here, if I may.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: I really hate leaf blowers at my window on a Sunday morning.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: That really steals my peace.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Let me share a few of them.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Car alarms there's a neighbor who's got the weakest car.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: All it takes is a motorbike to go past the thing and it says his car alarm off.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: I've been doing it for years, Are you?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: serious.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh, oh oh, and it goes for ages.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You think, yeah, some things are wrong with that car alarm.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like oh.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: And then there's the barking dog.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: We're at a neighbor.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I don't mind that dog, it's all right here.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a little one, this is a big one.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Our direct neighbors barking dog the first 500 times was okay, first 500.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: But they went on a three day holiday and left their dog and all it did was years ago at barked, day and night.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: This is a German shepherd.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: And seriously, there's something about repetition that drives human beings like.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: You can handle a dripping tap 50 times.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Then suddenly it gets louder and louder.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: For some reason.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: We actually I actually mentioned to the neighbor I think I left a message on his voicemail.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I said your dog's been barking for three days all year away, and they brought over a gift basket for us which was really, really sweet.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: That's cool, but there's certain things.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: And the other thing guys, how do you handle a crying baby when you're preaching in the congregation, Can you?
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: that's one thing that really that's when you start preaching on sin.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Lady in the front row she's not sat on the back, she's in the front row and she's got a crying baby Everyone's looking at screaming.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: So there's certain things that steal my peace Leaf blowers, car alarms, barking dogs and fighting cats.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Wipe by your bedroom window.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, Rachel filmed a couple outside of our window.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: The other Really.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Didn't she send that to you?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I remember she mentioned.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I love to send it to you, but it's a horrible sound.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: So there are certain things and the whole life is filled with things that want to steal our peace, to take away that peace that passes all understanding, and you've got to just stay with them.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: The thing that makes me gives me great consolation, as Romans 8, 28.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: No matter what's happening to us, we can have peace because we know that God's working this out very good, even if it is a barking dog.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: So I don't know how anyone could suffer more than I suffer there.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Let me just go on one more thing.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I saw something the other day.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: The other day and if you've got problems this might bring your problems into proportion.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: This married mom, christian, had a kidney stone, went in to have it fixed, turned septus or whatever in her body.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: They removed her arms and legs.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: What.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I got this video of her.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I say because I want to do a video on it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: It showed her testifying and she was filled with joy and say God's going to use this and if it turns people to righteousness, so be it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Ray, why did she go in For a kidney stone and she had her arms and legs removed?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't a mistake.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Something turned poison and they said sorry, we just have to take arms and legs off.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: So that's crazy.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: So what's your problem?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Again, I don't really have a problem.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Well, it's that thing you wrote, ray.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, I have a problem.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It's one of the best things.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I've shared that so many times in my sermons.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mark, as Ray talked about that German shepherd with the deep voice, it almost made me long for it, because it's like when you hear one thing for so long, this one has a high voice.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I have mixed feelings towards it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: What do you mean about the dog next door to the house?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like that would be a break for me if I had a deep voice.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a dog with incessant barking right outside of EZ's and Oscars office.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: It's bad.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: But there's a way to fix it.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: It's a steak, soaked super glued steak, just.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Here comes the comment.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: But with the German shepherd.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I was mauled by a German shepherd right when I was younger, so I don't know if I want to hear the bark of either one.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So that's good, Ray, that's a good perspective on understanding that we can have peace from God because we have peace with God, and that peace can transcend into whatever circumstance situation we're in.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, Jesus said it peace give I unto you.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: My peace not as the world gives me, Give I unto you.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: It's an unconditional peace that's not tied to circumstance.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: It's hard to, I mean, and it's hard to describe it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: We've all experienced it, but it really is hard to articulate what it's like Don't even try, because the Bible says it's a piece of the past is all understanding.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: And let me tell you about my, let me tell you about the joy that I have.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: It's totally unspeakable.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: That's good, yeah, but you know, and on that note of peace with God, I love the saying that says you know, god saved us by himself, through himself, for himself and from himself, and that's an important one to remember.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: You know from himself.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, god saved us from God because it was his wrath that we had deserved, you know.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: That's one thing the atheist do to mock the gospel.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: God he saved us from himself makes no sense to him, because they don't understand God's character.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: So, oscar, what do you think of all this?
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: stuff.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think one.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: I love that we're talking about being a peacemaker and I think one of the things we have to do is help us first start to understand what does the scriptures mean by peace?
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: The Old Testament uses the word shalom, and I think that's a good place to start.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because in the Old Testament we see that shalom doesn't just mean like a place of serenity I'm in a place of peace which it can mean that, and it certainly does mean that but it means more than that too.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Shalom is used in the Old Testament to talk about wholeness or completeness, and so if there was a wall with missing stones, it lacked shalom, and to rebuild that wall, to place those stones there, to fill in the cracks, you would bring it to a place of shalom.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: You would ask others if they had peace in their life.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: They had shalom, and if there was relational conflict, they were out of shalom and they would go to sort of mend that relational conflict and they would find themselves in a place of shalom again.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Or another example is two warring nations.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Peace wasn't just when those two warring nations stopped having a war with one another.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: It wasn't until those two warring nations began to start to work together for each other's good, that you would say they had shalom.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: And so what Graham Cole says in the book God the Peacemaker is that he says that you can essentially trace God's peace project from Genesis 3.15, through the Abrahamic Covenant, into Exodus, all throughout the Old Testament, climaxing at Isaiah 53.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: And then you see it begin to be fulfilled in Jesus the faithful son.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: He says the faithful son because he points out that Adam was not faithful, that Israel was not faithful as it pertains to bringing shalom into the world, but Jesus was the one who obeyed the Father and then dies to reconcile us.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: And so, when the scriptures say that we are peacemakers, we are taking on the peace project that God left behind through his son, jesus Christ, to us, and I love the verse you quoted.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: I also love 2 Corinthians 5, 18,.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: All this summarizing, summarizing the impact of the gospel.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Paul says all this is from God who, through Christ, reconciled us to himself.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: There's the peace that you guys were talking about and gave us the ministry of reconciliation.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: And so God has called us, through the power of this Holy Spirit, to be his sons of reconciliation, to go out into the world and bring shalom, to make right all that has been made wrong.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Amen, that's good, really good.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Oscar and Mark, I'd love you to comment on this.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Proverbs 6, 16 to 19, where it says these six things the Lord hates, he has seven are an abomination.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And then the last one cited is end one who?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: brings this for you.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: This is scored among brethren, being the opposite of what we're called to do right, Bring peace.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: But there are those times when there are opportunities in the flesh to sow discord, and man God hates that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, sometimes people need to be called out and that doesn't exactly seem to be a peaceful thing.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: But you'd be surprised that people don't need to be called out as much as you think, especially inside of a church setting.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I remember I was attending a church some time ago and my theology began to evolve and I was in a teaching position and I remember approaching the pastor and I said listen, though, my theology is evolving, I will not teach something contrary to what is taught here.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: God hates discord.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: He hates the division that can happen, and I was careful not to do that until finally I just didn't belong, I didn't fit and I needed to kind of move on.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: So we do need to be careful that we don't cause division and discord, that we don't do things that are not necessary.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: So we need to ask ourselves, we need to pause.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: How important is it for me to speak up at this moment to bring forth my opinion to what maybe even two other people are talking about?
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, we just did it not too long ago.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: We're at a church service and there's some, and we don't attend the church.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: You were speaking at an event and people started talking about stuff that neither one of us agree with and we just kind of bite our tongue.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: We allow people to be.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: People believe what they wanna believe when it comes to secondary, non-essential issues, and then we just move on.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: And that's the beauty about Christianity and Christianity in totality that people can believe different things that are not primary, essential issues.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Don't bring the division.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: It's like you drop the bomb and you just walk away.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Come on, unless you have an answer, just be still.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, ray, that ties to maturity.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, the older I get, the longer I've walked with the Lord, the stronger my convictions have become, but the more I'm slow to interject with those you know when I don't need to, and I think it's just patience.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It's like not acting in the heat of the moment.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: You've said something to me in the past where don't make a decision when you're fired up about something.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're on a plateau or when you're in a valley, don't make decisions.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Ray, I mean that's the key, isn't it?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Whosoever keeps his mouth and tongue keeps his soul from troubles.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, what should help us to keep our mouth from saying things is humility, exalting other people better than yourselves.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Remember, in the movie Ben Hurd, which everyone should have seen, ben Hurd, after he had seen the cross, said I felt him take the sword out of my hand, something like that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's exactly right, but when we bring the gospel peace to a man or a woman, they may have anger in their heart, they may have war in their heart, but once they've got Christ in their heart, then they have access to a peace that they're gonna share within the marriage, within the workplace, and the gospel of peace is the answer to every problem in this world politics and warfare and marriages that are broken down.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Trevor has asked me to get videos on a very difficult subject for me.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I just flinched to this when he said he wants me to ask students should a woman submit to her husband To go with the podcast that we're doing?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: There are some armor Ray.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just thinking.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: And how the world flinches at the thought that a woman should submit to her husband.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: But the caveat is that husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church, and a husband to whom a godly woman will submit is a man that would never speak against her, never do anything wrong.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Take her under her arm, close to his heart.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: It was where the rib should be.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: So the world doesn't understand what we're talking about.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: We have an instruction book that makes marriage work, that makes nations work, and it all comes back to that gospel of peace.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yesterday I had a conversation with my wife and my tone was not what it should have been and I saw that my wife's demeanor had completely changed and my daughter had left the room.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: And I went in and talked to my daughter and I apologized that I was in general with mama.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: And then I went back to mama and I said obviously I believe what I said, but the way I said it was wrong.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: So it's not always what you say, but how you approach, how you broach the situation with who you're talking to.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: You didn't like her smoking cigars or something.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't like her smoking cigars and Cain's Smoker, wow.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So I went back to her and I said it a few times that evening.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe I just wanna apologize for not being gentle as I communicated what I communicated with you.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: When you're in something like that, you can't really see what you're doing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: It's afterwards when you consider.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: So that wasn't a very good tone.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's so key that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: But, mark, that's a good example of making peace right, because it involved you and you aired in something.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It caused turmoil in your home and you did the right thing.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: And I'm always telling men this, guys some weird echoes going on, anyway, I we can hear ourselves through a speaker.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I keep telling guys this, but with men, even if you are the one responsible for the sin that caused tension in your relationship, as the head of your home, as a leader, you're the one who's called the lead, the two of you, out of that, and you do that by acting in a godly way.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And so, mark, thank you for giving Ray, oscar and I an example of what to do if we ever sin with our wives.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: If we ever.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I love how you started the podcast, which is identifying sort of this present age, this cultural moment, does.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: There's something almost celebrated about being divisive, about not being reasonable.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: The algorithm lords out there, pull from us anger and frustration, and that's what gets us to become more divisive and activates our action.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Right, and we live in a time where we live in cancel culture, like if one person says one thing that you vaguely don't agree with, if it vaguely feels like they're compromising, then they're out.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: They're out of the tribe, you know.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: And yet the scriptures call us to be antithetical to the cultural moment.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: The powers and principalities of this world should have no influence on the heart of the Christian.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: We are to be peacemakers, and someone hearing this could be like well, what are you saying?
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Are you saying that we can never stand up for truth?
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Absolutely not.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Peace making it does not necessarily mean peace keeping.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: There are gonna be times where we have to advocate for truth.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: There are gonna be times where we need to say something that's gonna be not received well, but that's different than peace making, right, right?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: We never turn a blind eye to evil, Never.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: We never turn a blind eye.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: We always speak up when we have the ability.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, that's Romans 12, 18.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I stole your verse, mark.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah right, Good, it's like the division discord.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Ah, I'm a brother.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, it's so true, oscar, that we have to recognize that, like I always say, compassion or to be compassionate, but compassion does not equal compromise.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Peace making does not equal sacrificing the truth right Either, or holding back what needs to be said.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: In fact, that's often the pathway to peace.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can't have peace without truth, you know, and so that's important.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And then also, we're not responsible for always achieving peace when we try.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Piper put it well.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: He said don't equate peacemaking with peace achieving.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: A peacemaker longs for peace and works for peace and sacrifices for peace.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: But the attainment of peace may not come right.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Romans 12, 18, which I just quoted, is very important at this point.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And he quotes the verse that is a goal of a peacemaker, if possible, so far as it depends on you.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Don't let the rupture and the relationship be your fault.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: That's good, but yet you can't guarantee that someone's gonna meet you on terms of peace, you know.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, so those things are so key.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: And then and Mark, in keeping with what you shared with us, that story with Laura Share more.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Matthew five tell us more of your sins, mark.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Matthew five, 23 to 24.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go your way.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: First be reconciled to your brother and then come and offer your gift, ray.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: The key in that is he's saying.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, ray, what are you doing?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I got a great quote from Spurgeon and I pushed my microphone button and everything you were saying is going straight under the quote from Spurgeon, so I'm seeing it expand with your words.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: You couldn't stop it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, I've now stopped.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, did you hear what I said, Ray?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't have a clue.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Oh man, get me out of here.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So if Jesus is saying I'd like to share this quote, Okay, share your quote.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Welcome to Insanity, brother.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Charles Spurgeon said such poor creatures are we that we may lose our peace of mind even by a word or a look?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Peace in the form of a perfect calm and serenity is a very delicate and sensitive thing and needs more careful handling than a crystal glass.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: It is hard for the sea of our hearts to remain long in a smooth and glassy state.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: It may be rippled and ruffled by an infant's breath.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Ooh, and all your words went right in the middle if that makes no sense.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what a beautiful quote.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I just roughed in the peace of that peaceful quote.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: That's really good, Ray.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: But now answer what I said, Ray.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a great idea.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: He's the only hope.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: We should all strive to do that.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: But Jesus is saying here he's talking about making peace, but the key is he's saying if your brother, you remember that your brother has something against you.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It's not even you being frustrated with him.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: He's not saying you know.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: He's saying if you know someone has something against you, you go to them and make peace first.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: That's huge.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what love does, that's what the wisdom from above does, the wisdom from Baba's first, peaceable, easy to be entreated, and that's what we need to cultivate.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll do.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Thanks, ez.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: What is the scripture of bluster those who dwell in unity.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Is that how it's worded?
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, brotherhood dwell in unity.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: It's the, it's the Psalm that speaks of the oil that went down In unity to dwell in unity.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Lai lai, lai, lai, lai, lai, lai, lai lai lai, lai actually.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Hey, unity, it's an unity you turn into like a Russian.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I actually think this is a.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I think you guys are circling around something really important that we haven't talked about yet, which is the difference between peace making and peace keeping, as people we know, and love are in sin.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Like it would be wrong to be passive, to try to be a peace keeper by not approaching somebody who's in sin.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: It's actually more right, it's more in the active piece making of being in shalom, to approach that person because you want to see shalom between them and Christ, because you want to see shalom in their lives in which there are no sin, and so we do that with gentleness, with kindness, with humility.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: But the scriptures does call us to be activated in the conversation of pursuing people who are in sin for the sake of peace.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Listen, jesus said I didn't come to ring peace but a sword, and that's what truth will do.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: You know, matthew Henry said that truth is such a precious jewel that he'll give anything for it except for the truth, right?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So he's not going to surrender the truth at the cost of so that I can have peace and tranquility between two people Right.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah Well, and that's a false peace.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: You know, it's almost like.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: It's almost like having a terminal illness, but deceiving yourself into not thinking about it, that's exactly right, and just thinking, oh, I'm good.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: The destruction is, it's getting already happening, yeah, and it's spreading and it's going to lead to your demise.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: So that is really important.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: But as far as initiation, I want to read this quote from Jerry Bridges.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: He said we must take the initiative to restore peace.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Jesus taught that it makes no difference whether you have wronged or your brother, or he has wronged you.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Either way, you are always responsible to initiate efforts toward peace.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: If we're serious about intently pursuing peace, we won't be concerned about which of us is the offending party.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: We'll have one goal to restore peace in a godly manner.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Unresolved conflict between believers is sin and must be treated as such.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Otherwise it will spread throughout the body like cancer until it requires radical spiritual surgery.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Far better to deal with it when it is easily contained and I think you know the balance and all that is like.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: It's the intent of the heart.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: You know, if we're holding on to bitterness, it'll be manifested by they need to come to me.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: But there could be a situation where you're looking and saying, okay, they need to repent because they're in sin.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And I've said this before, our mode of correction should be fueled by one of the definitions of love, and that is love doesn't seek its own.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: So if I'm being selfless and approaching a sin that, yes, you committed against me, but that I think of on another level, what did that person do as a sin?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: They first sinned against the God that I love above all else.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: They're hurting themselves spiritually because you can't sin and not be hurt spiritually, and they're hurting others because they're mourning the testimony of the gospel and limiting their effectiveness because they're in sin.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I love God, I love them, I love other people.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Therefore, my mode of correction will also contain all the other attributes of a Godly level.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I'll correct them in patience.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Let's correct them in kindness.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: You know I won't seek my own.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I won't have, I won't keep records of wrong, I won't have outbursts of wrath and so forth.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Why were you pointing at me when you're talking about?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the words that got me wrong.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: You know, mark, and you better make peace with me, mark.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the Wienerschnitzel bro.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: That really is the Gethsemane experience that puts us in that continual mode.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Not my will, but yours be done, and that's the attitude we should have to everyone.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: If someone offends us, we should be more concerned about God's will than our will, and that's what brings peace between us.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Amen, yeah, and on that point of approaching others, I mean look, matthew 18, 15,.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Moreover, if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: If he hears you, you've gained your brother.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: And I think that has an element of peace to it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: That we don't recognize that the between you and him alone.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Right, because you're gonna cause chaos for him if there was a misunderstanding, number one, or if he ends up repenting but it's in other people's minds and now they look at him in a certain way.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: You know, love is always saying man, what can I do to limit damage to my brother?
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: You know, because it feels good sometimes to talk about things and get other people agreeing with us, and what are you going social meter and spread it to the whole world without going personally?
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good idea.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, not do that yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: But what a guys, what a destructive element social media has been in this whole issue.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Mark, wouldn't you say that in terms of stirring up stuff?
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people vent at 2 am on their social media platform.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: We need to be very, very careful on what we do, especially naming names.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: You know, be very careful when we name names.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: It has to be dealing with heretics, I think not with fellow brethren.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: You know, let's be careful with that.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Ken Sandy wrote a really great book that I've never read, called the Peacemaker, but it's on my to-do list but I'm told it's highly recommended by a lot of people.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Ken Sandy, the Peacemaker yeah.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: You just lost peace with him.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Richard Baxter said, he that is not a son of peace is not a son of God.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: All other sins destroy the church consequentially, but division and separation demolish it directly.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Wow, Isn't it wonderful that you can quote Richard Baxter, who that's a four 500 year old quote, isn't it?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Pretty old.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and yet it's so relevant to today.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, and I think basically what he's alluding to is that lack of peace between brethren is the antithesis of what Jesus said.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: You know, they will know your by my disciples, by your love for one another, and when there is, when there is disunity in a sinful manner, it just evidence is a fact that there isn't real love happening, love indeed, and in truth.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it affects the gospel as well.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, when we go, you know, we see that the scripture tells us that that nonbelievers will know that the gospel is true by the way in which we love one another.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: And even inside of like Christendom, on online, I mean, there are ministries, organizations, podcast blogs that are all dedicated to the line of divisiveness.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: They all sit there on the threshold and are waiting for the next pastor to say something that's vaguely ambiguous and then call them out.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: You know, and man to your point, like we should have a taste for peace, not a taste for divisiveness.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying there's no place for that, but when that's like your entire thing, or when that's what consumes your attention and that's what gets the views, that and that's what gets the views, and that's the problem is that ultimately, the algorithms are there to entice our sinful nature, and so then the content, the content producers, wanting to get no more clicks and views, then tap into the sin nature of human beings.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: It's like they're antagonistic to the lack of peace that God is trying to bring about in his kingdom.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you think of what God's word has to say on the matter.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: It's filled with, again, those exhortations to be a people who strive to make peace between others and also to figure out ways to avoid it.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: You know, I think of what it talks about in Proverbs 17, 9 to 10, about how if you repeat a matter, you separate friends, you know.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: But if you cover a transgression, you seek love, and that's one thing, you know, like there could be peace between people and a matter's over.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: And then you bring up something from the past and that rekindle stuff, you know, rather than just thinking, okay, this is past, let's let it go.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And how can I promote peace, you know?
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I think another thing too is helping people to think the best.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: And you know how it is, guys.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: It starts as a seed, yeah, so, and so said this to me what did they say?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: What?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Who's so?
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: and so.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And what do we do?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: They did oh man.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: How about?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Oh really man?
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Wow, do you think?
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe they meant this?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that doesn't swear with the way they normally are, do you think?
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe you misunderstood?
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've approached things like that before and I've seen things turn around.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe, maybe you're right.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should double check on that.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Versus that's a peacemaker, yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Versus fueling, you know, and putting fuel on that fire Sharing gossip.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: It's like putting water on a flame rather than gasoline.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know, sharing gossip by way of per requests, you know is a very difficult, horrible thing to do.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: You know, isaiah 40 to 22 says there's no peace for the wicked.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: If there's no peace for the wicked, there's no peace for the righteous.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: When they do wicked things and perhaps somebody's listening to our podcast and they're thinking to themselves well, I lack the peace inside of my life.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: One either.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: A maybe you're not born again, you know.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Make your colonial election.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Sure, examine yourself to see if you're in the faith.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, put yourself into the weight of the 10 commandments.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Realize and recognize that you do not measure up and if God gives you justice, you rightly will go to hell.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: God is obviously not willing for that to happen.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: He's not one for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Place your trust where God, the Father, placed his wrath, which is in Jesus Christ alone.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Now, if you are born again and you recognize that you don't have this peace at which we're talking about, just examine your life once again.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Right, am I doing something?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Have I partaken in something?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Am I keeping something secret?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Are there shadows really inside my life that I don't want anybody to see?
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Are there skeletons inside the closet that I don't want anybody to see?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: What's happening?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just take inventory.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: If there's no peace for the wicked, there's no peace for the righteous when they do wicked things.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: So accountability is great, absolutely.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: But maybe you just need to get along with the Lord, cry out to God and say search me and try me and see if there be any wicked way in me and lead me in the way everlasting.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: He's a very present help and time of need.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: You draw near to him, he will draw near to you.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: That promise still remains and is for the people of God.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Amen, that's good, mark.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love what Jim Elif said.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: He said to put a wall between you and others is to build a wall between you and God.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: And again, you know, it's the two greatest commandments Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Love your neighbor as yourself.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: What we miss is what Jesus said in between that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: He said the second like it is this.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: The second like it Love the Lord, your God, allow your heart, mind, soul and strength.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: The second like it he's in essence equating them and interrelating them.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: You can't truly and first John right Speaks about this ad nauseam you can't love God and not love people.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: And the evidence that you love God and are in a right relationship with them is it's going to manifest in you loving other people.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, what are you going to say?
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: No?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say there's no way you came up with that.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: That's too good, oh you like it, you like it, it's my friend.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: No, but you know what I'm saying Like.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: But also I think in being peacemakers we need to have a proactive approach to it Whenever it comes to our attention that there is not peace between people.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: You know especially people that we know like to just try to broker peace.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I love that you know brokering peace, like where you're going in between two people.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: You're working as a mediator because, right, you're there, the angst is against each other, but you come in as an impartial party and you say, man, look, I don't care what the details are, I love you guys and I know it may not be possible, but if there's any way possible, would you be open if I just try to work something out, if I just try to work something between you guys?
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Man, that delights the Lord.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: You're called a son of.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: God when you do that and the hope in that, because you said, if there's any way possible and I love that language, as you're trying to invite people into that and the reason why you would do that is because we know there is a way possible.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, like, if God provides a way of shalom between the sinner and himself.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Right, and think about the things that we I was just talking about this with somebody Think about the things that you claim to believe.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: We talk so often about how the gospel has the power to reconcile slave and slave master, the power to reconcile sinner to God, and yet you're going to doubt that it has the power to reconcile you with another person.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: No, you know, if we approach that conversation humbly, god has the power to reconcile you with another person, the power to reconcile.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: That is the work he is doing through his people, which takes us back to the title of this.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: We are called to be peacemaking.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I love how Christ is called the Prince of Peace, and you know, scripture talks about the Lord of Peace as well.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, to walk in that peace that God gives and then to be one who acts as an agent to see it fulfilled in other people's lives.
• 49:20
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