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POLICE: PARENTS DINE OUT, LEAVE 5 CHILDREN TO STARVE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Parents dine out and leave their five children at home
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  Speaker 2: to starve. Mommy says she's too focused on her job.
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  Speaker 1: Let me understand this. So they're out, what are they having?
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  Speaker 1: A steak and potato waffle house? Chipotle? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: They're out together, Mommy and daddy yucking it up, ordering
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  Speaker 2: whatever they want while they're five children are emaciated, starving
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  Speaker 2: at home. I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Five children hungry, home alone with no electricity and clogged toilet.
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  Speaker 3: Where's mommy and daddy?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know where they are. They're at the Golden Corral, Chipotele,
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  Speaker 2: you name it. That's where they are. Their children at home,
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  Speaker 2: starving with the commode running over with feces. That's where
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  Speaker 2: the children are. When asked, mommy says, oh, I've been
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  Speaker 2: too focused on my job. Really, that's something I think
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  Speaker 2: mommy should think about. Behind bars and Daddy, you're not
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  Speaker 2: off the hook either. Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: On a Tuesday afternoon, a driver in the seven hundred
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  Speaker 4: block of fifteenth Street in Miami Beach sees a six
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  Speaker 4: year old boy running across fifteenth Street, unsupervised and in
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  Speaker 4: a high traffic area. Calling nine to one one, the
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  Speaker 4: driver relates what he's seeing and officers arrive on the
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  Speaker 4: scene in a matter of minutes. Police see the child
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  Speaker 4: leaving an apartment complex by himself and asks the boy
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  Speaker 4: where he lives. The child leads the officers to his
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  Speaker 4: apartment to show them he isn't lost, and the apartment
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  Speaker 4: door is answered by the oldest person in the apartment,
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  Speaker 4: the boy's twelve year old sister.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we are learning right now. But from what I understand,
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  Speaker 2: a six year old little boy that's first or second
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  Speaker 2: grade max is running on stamprovised across a street in
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  Speaker 2: a high traffic area.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just start with that.
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  Speaker 2: A driver happens to see the boy running, calls nine
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  Speaker 2: to one one. Then when police respond, they find the
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  Speaker 2: boy skin and bones, you know, straight out to Officer
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  Speaker 2: Christopher Bess, who is joining us out of Miami Beach
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  Speaker 2: with the PD Police Department, Sadly, Officer, there's never a
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  Speaker 2: lack of business when it comes to mistreated children, Isn't
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  Speaker 2: that true?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, this is an extremely heartbreaking case. While others were
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  Speaker 5: ringing in the new year. We had five kids who
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  Speaker 5: didn't know where their next meal will come from.
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  Speaker 1: Or an email for that matter.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me, Officer Christopher Bess just question, does he Mighty
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  Speaker 2: ever ask you that?
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever just get sick of it?
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  Speaker 2: Because you know, I remember prosecuting felonies for every ten
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  Speaker 2: years in intercity Atlanta, And I remember the moment I
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  Speaker 2: had the whole courtroom, I turned off the lights. I
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  Speaker 2: was doing a slide presentation to the jury. It was
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  Speaker 2: a serial murder. I could get them on one, just one,
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  Speaker 2: so it had to work. I had a picture up
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  Speaker 2: of the victim and at that moment I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: how much more I could take her head. Her scalp
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  Speaker 2: had to be during autopsy, pulled back so you could
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  Speaker 2: see the contusions under her scalp. And I remember that
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  Speaker 2: moment thinking, I don't know how much more I can take.
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  Speaker 2: How I'm so saturated with it? Do you ever feel
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  Speaker 2: like that?
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  Speaker 6: Best?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely so. Unfortunately these particular cases happened more often than not.
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  Speaker 5: Our detectives from the Special Victims Unit, our responding officers
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  Speaker 5: are really still having a difficult time with going about
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  Speaker 5: their day to day after seeing just the very sad
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  Speaker 5: conditions these kids are living at.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go straight out.
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to go to a very well known anchor
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  Speaker 2: and reporter at CBS News Miami. I'll also report she's
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  Speaker 2: an Emmy Award winner, by the way, But I want
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  Speaker 2: to go to Derek Smith, high profile criminal defense attorney
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  Speaker 2: who has represented parents in similar cases.
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  Speaker 1: Derek Smith, you know, I look at your trial record.
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  Speaker 2: You win a lot of cases, you have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of clients, You're successful.
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  Speaker 1: Is there ever a moment you walk out of your
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  Speaker 1: office and state I'm going to vomit? I can't take
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  Speaker 1: one more case like this.
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  Speaker 7: Of course, yeah, you'll have that. I mean emotions when
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  Speaker 7: there's children involved, obviously. I mean, this isn't near one
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  Speaker 7: of the worst cases that I've seen. It's been really
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  Speaker 7: saying that, Rory, Derek, I don't think so. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: the parents are trying to do what they can. They're earning,
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  Speaker 7: they're making a living, They're trying their kids have shelter,
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  Speaker 7: you know, electricity, no food. I've read the skilter.
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  Speaker 2: My rear end control room. Could I please see the
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  Speaker 2: picture of the two parents in court with their defense attorney.
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  Speaker 1: You just showed it. There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, they haven't missed a meal. They're doing fine, Derek Smith,
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  Speaker 2: They're out. Each one has their own private lawyer. What's
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  Speaker 2: happening here? I don't get it. They're fine. Their children
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  Speaker 2: are skin and bones and running in the traffic.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have children, Derek, Yes, Nancy, I have four
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  Speaker 1: of them.
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  Speaker 2: I bet they're not running out in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: a busy intersection starving.
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  Speaker 7: Well, no comment, let's focus on them. But so I
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  Speaker 7: have a you know, my first son I share with
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  Speaker 7: with my ex wife, and sometimes we get into discussions
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  Speaker 7: about what we're feeding them, is it appropriate or whatnot.
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  Speaker 7: I'll make a beautiful dinner, chicken broccoli, you want, want it?
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  Speaker 7: He wants McDonald's, he wants chicken nuggets.
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  Speaker 8: You know what.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, You're going to eat what I've provided is
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  Speaker 7: healthy and if you don't want it, you can go
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  Speaker 7: to bed. And I've read image to hear.
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  Speaker 2: That your children are at least eiding and they have
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  Speaker 2: the choice to turn down the broccoli. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: to you Chelsea Jones Ammy Award winner investigative reporter and anchor,
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  Speaker 2: CBS News Miami, these children didn't have the chance to
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  Speaker 2: turn down broccoli at dinner. You think they turned down broccoli.
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  Speaker 2: They'd eat any scrap they could find. Tell me about
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  Speaker 2: this little boy six years old? Now, does that put
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  Speaker 2: him in first or second grade? It kind of depends
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  Speaker 2: on his birthday, whether he's even going to school. Running
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  Speaker 2: out in an intersection, a heavily trafficked intersection.
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  Speaker 9: So the woman who called police and found this six
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  Speaker 9: year old boy, it's actually what they learned when police
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  Speaker 9: went back to the home from the eldest child. That
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  Speaker 9: kind of gave a picture of what these children a
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  Speaker 9: community basis a rust. Documents show that the eldest child,
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  Speaker 9: who is twelve, told police they hadn't eaten since the
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  Speaker 9: day before. This is New Year's Eve, so she says
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  Speaker 9: on the thirtieth, at ten pm was their last meal.
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  Speaker 10: And then she also told police.
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  Speaker 2: No, wait, just a moment, hold on, Chelsea, I'm taking
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  Speaker 2: from the firehengeant.
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  Speaker 1: Right now. You're giving me so much information.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to miss one fact, okay, because I
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  Speaker 2: plan to use everything you tell me. I plan to
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  Speaker 2: use all that scrap metal and turn it into a
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  Speaker 2: bullet to shoot right at these two parents. It all
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  Speaker 2: started when the little six year old runs out into traffic.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right, correct? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Officer Christopher Bess is joining us, Miami Beach PD. Bess,
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  Speaker 2: this is called heavily trafficked. Tell me about the intersection
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  Speaker 2: because I'm having nightmares. There's one thing about running across
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  Speaker 2: the street where you live. You know, it's a single
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  Speaker 2: name as opposed to Third Avenue in lex in Manhattan.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, describe this heavily trafficked area, correct.
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  Speaker 5: So it is an enormous intersection and it is utilized
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  Speaker 5: pretty heavily by buhicle traffic and also other pedestrian traffic
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  Speaker 5: as well. So this is something that the boy and
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  Speaker 5: also the other victims we learned would do quite often.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't have electricity, so they would navigate this intersection
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  Speaker 5: quite often, going to the park and other areas of
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  Speaker 5: the city. Again, just to do what normal kids would do.
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  Speaker 2: Two forensics psychologists joining us, Doctor Jeff Kelishevski, author of
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  Speaker 2: Dark Sides.
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  Speaker 1: On YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: You can find him doctor Jeff Klshewski, forensic psychologist, Doctor Jeff,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I find it very
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  Speaker 2: difficult to take him okay, because as my children came
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  Speaker 2: home from the nick kid at five pounds and two pounds.
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  Speaker 2: My life's mission is to keep them happy and well
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  Speaker 2: fed and safe. So how do the parents go chow
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  Speaker 2: down at Chipotle or Golden Corral when their children are
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  Speaker 2: running in the street with their bones poking out?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 11: You know, I've been involved in literally thousands of neglect
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  Speaker 11: and abuse cases as a forensic psychologist, and many times,
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  Speaker 11: you know, when you see neglect like this, there may
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  Speaker 11: be substance abuse, so there may be mental illness or
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  Speaker 11: even a lack of knowledge to parent. But occasionally you
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  Speaker 11: will run into these parents that are so self centered,
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  Speaker 11: so caught up in their own lives that the children
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  Speaker 11: are secondary to the point where the kids are harmed.
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  Speaker 11: And you know, I wonder about this case is it's
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  Speaker 11: a case of sort of narcissistic and self centered people.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, okay, you're giving I mean, la, what do
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  Speaker 2: you mean the child is secondary? That could mean anything.
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  Speaker 2: The children are starving. I don't know why you call
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  Speaker 2: that secondary. That's certainly famistic. You're putting perfume on the pig.
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  Speaker 2: The children were starving. The kommodes are overflowing with faces.
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  Speaker 1: You know what that is, right? Crap poop?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're living there in the cold while mommy
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  Speaker 2: and daddy are dining out at a restaurant. What a
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  Speaker 2: secondary mean?
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  Speaker 11: That's not what I mean by secondary. They're so caught
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  Speaker 11: up in their own life and what they want. The
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  Speaker 11: kids are a second thought. They don't even want to
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  Speaker 11: feed the kids. As long as they're fed, maybe like
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  Speaker 11: maybe they'll leave some money for the kids, or maybe
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  Speaker 11: they'll just forget about the kids because they're well fed
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  Speaker 11: and happy and doing their own thing, and the kids.
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  Speaker 2: Are marking on them right now. Kealshevski, Uh, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I need? Any doctor Michelle Dupree is joining us.
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  Speaker 1: You know her well.
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  Speaker 2: She's shot to fame during the Alex Murdog double murder trial,
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  Speaker 2: but in my world, the world of crime, she was
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  Speaker 2: already famous. Forensic pathologists, medical examiner, and guess what, also
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  Speaker 2: former detective author of Money, Mischief and Murder The Murdog Dynasty.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of the story and more important for me
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  Speaker 2: Field guide for Child abuse investigation, Child Abuse Investigation field
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  Speaker 2: guide and homicide Investigation Field Guide.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Dupree, thank you for taking time to be with us.
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  Speaker 2: How long do you have to starve a child before
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  Speaker 2: their ribs and their bones starts showing through their skin.
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  Speaker 12: Nancy, A child normally would starve to death in three
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  Speaker 12: to four weeks, and so they're going to be exhibiting
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  Speaker 12: signs of that. They're going to get very skinny, all
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  Speaker 12: sorts of other symptoms and are going to be there. So,
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  Speaker 12: you know, two to three weeks and that's it. You know, child,
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  Speaker 12: A person cannot go very long without water three days
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  Speaker 12: or so, but food maybe three or four weeks. This
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  Speaker 12: is so egregious, and unfortunately, this is not that uncommon.
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  Speaker 12: I have dealt with many child abuse neglect cases all
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  Speaker 12: over the country, really, and we see this more often
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  Speaker 12: than we want.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm catching on one thing, you know, doctor Deprie.
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  Speaker 2: It's my job to martial evidence, to determine what I
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  Speaker 2: can prove whether that evidence is admissible in front of
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  Speaker 2: a jury, because if it's not, it means nothing to me.
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  Speaker 2: But I just heard you say it could take two
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  Speaker 2: to three weeks before a child's bones are actually sticking out. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Derek Smith, back to you. You're a veteran trial lawyer
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  Speaker 2: right there. I would have a field day with these
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  Speaker 2: parents because it's not an isolated incident where one night
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  Speaker 2: they didn't get supper.
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  Speaker 1: They're not steaming broccoli, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And the steamer like you do for your children, this
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  Speaker 2: took at least two to three weeks to methodically starve them.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you mentioned evidence, and this we need. You mentioned evidence.
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  Speaker 7: This is how we try cases, is how we figure
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  Speaker 7: out GUILDENNI since we use evidence, testimony, and right here,
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  Speaker 7: the children are the ones telling the police they went
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  Speaker 7: to bed hungary that night, because as the mother said
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  Speaker 7: when they questioned her, they don't go to bed hungry
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  Speaker 7: at night. They just didn't want raising canes or she
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  Speaker 7: didn't want to feed a McDonald's and the children didn't
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  Speaker 7: want to eat anything but that. So that's a different argument.
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  Speaker 2: I'm starting to see your defense here. So you're saying
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  Speaker 2: the children want to McDonald's, and her being such a
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  Speaker 2: good mommy, she goes, oh, no fast food for you.
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  Speaker 2: How about no food for you one night? Are refusing
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  Speaker 2: McDonald's does not a starving child make And you better
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  Speaker 2: know right now, my children have never gone to bed
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  Speaker 2: without plenty of food a verb.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying that in this case.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I get While you were talking about your son
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  Speaker 2: wanting McDonald's as opposed to broccoli, you're saying that mommy
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  Speaker 2: is such a good mommy, she wouldn't feed her children
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  Speaker 2: fast food. You do know that's bs right in the
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  Speaker 2: real world. Maybe in criminal defense world as great. I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't buy that if an angel flew down from heaven
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  Speaker 2: and tried to sell.
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  Speaker 1: It to me.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying they went to bed hungry because mommy didn't
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  Speaker 2: want them to have McDonald's.
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  Speaker 1: Is that your defense right now?
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  Speaker 7: Hey, Nancy, i'd point of the evidence, and right now
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  Speaker 7: the evidence we have is testimony from the child and
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  Speaker 7: testimony from the parents, and furthermore of you if you
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  Speaker 7: look into what they were talking about to the police.
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  Speaker 7: They're in school. The school provides them with food, So
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  Speaker 7: how do they get to this point? I mean what
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  Speaker 7: they're right break.
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  Speaker 5: Still is.
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  Speaker 2: So what you're saying, mommy and daddy are not responsible
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  Speaker 2: for breakfast and lunch because the children can get that
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  Speaker 2: as school.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, if they're provided food from the school, how
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  Speaker 7: are they getting to this point?
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  Speaker 2: Let me just say, yes, this officer, Bess, I got
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  Speaker 2: to give this to Derek Smith. He wins a lot
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  Speaker 2: of cases, and now I see why he's got this
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  Speaker 2: good guy. Look at me when I lie to you appearance,
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  Speaker 2: and he makes it seem like, hey, she's just a
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  Speaker 2: good mom.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't want them to have beast food.
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  Speaker 2: Officer, Bess, you know, you might almost fall for it
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  Speaker 2: unless you had been one of the cops answering that
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  Speaker 2: call and you see the child, thin thin running in
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  Speaker 2: the street and you go to the home. Tell me, Bess,
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  Speaker 2: what was found in the home?
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  Speaker 5: Well, Daniel, what we were able to discover in the
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  Speaker 5: home is there was no functioning stove, So even if
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  Speaker 5: the parents felt as though they wanted to cook broccoli,
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  Speaker 5: they didn't even have the audacity to fix the basic
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  Speaker 5: necessities such as a stove in the home. Furthermore, there
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  Speaker 5: was no food inside of the refrigerator. So these kids
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  Speaker 5: not only have to fend for themselves, but the foods
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  Speaker 5: and the meals that were provided in the schools were
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  Speaker 5: the only source of nourishment they really had.
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  Speaker 2: You know, And a lot of schools, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you know this, Chelsea Jones, but a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of schools they don't let you come back for seconds.
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  Speaker 2: And then for some children if they do go back
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  Speaker 2: for seconds, they get made fun of.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that? Yes?
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  Speaker 10: I mean that's I think another thing else.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it true that this was during a break the
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  Speaker 2: children didn't have food at school?
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  Speaker 1: I had nothing, correct.
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  Speaker 9: One of the children, the eldest child, also told police
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  Speaker 9: that on occasion when mom and dad were out, they
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  Speaker 9: would leave about twenty dollars for them to eat at
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  Speaker 9: home and they would take the which is two bacon
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  Speaker 9: cheeseburgers and three mcchickens, totaling around nineteen bucks to eat.
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  Speaker 9: And that was not every day, that was on occasion,
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  Speaker 9: your point, they were on a holiday break, which then
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  Speaker 9: made meals even more sparse than normal.
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  Speaker 3: Parents face charges after five children found living in squalid
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  Speaker 3: conditions with no food.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel, and we've got a
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  Speaker 2: veteran trial lawyer Derek Smith trying to make the best
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  Speaker 2: argument he can for these two Chelsea Jones joining us
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  Speaker 2: Evening anchor investigative reporter CBS needs Miami, Chelsea, any idea
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  Speaker 2: where are the parents so go chow down for dinner.
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  Speaker 10: That isn't immediately available?
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  Speaker 9: And when I asked the mom, that wasn't something that
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  Speaker 9: she indicated to me exactly where they were when this
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  Speaker 9: all took place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's joining me right now. In addition to our
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  Speaker 2: All Star Panel. Paula Roady is joining US child abuse
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  Speaker 2: welfare consultant, an expert former CPS Chop Protector Services in
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  Speaker 2: Orange County. She's at Paula Roady Consulting. Paula, thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being with us. I was just talking before you
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  Speaker 2: joined us to doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned medical examiner and pathologist,
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  Speaker 2: and she says it would take two to three weeks
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  Speaker 2: for a child to exhibit evidence, physical evidence that you
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  Speaker 2: could just look at and see that the child is starving.
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  Speaker 2: Two to three weeks. These are five children. Occasionally, occasionally
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  Speaker 2: mommy and daddy would leave a twenty dollars bill, and
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  Speaker 2: I guess the children are supposed to run out in
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  Speaker 2: the traffic, five children and try to find something to eat.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard what they could get.
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  Speaker 2: It was like two cheeseburgers and some McNuggets and five
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  Speaker 2: of them would have to split that. And that was
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  Speaker 2: only on occasion, Paula, I mean, I'm hearing more and more.
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  Speaker 2: I first really found out about food denial as a
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: former child abuse. In the past couple of years, I
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: saw plenty of child abuse, children beaten their bones broken, murdered,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: burned with cigarettes. You know, of course sex abuse that
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: goes without saying raped. But I had not encountered or
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: was not trained enough to realize what I was seeing.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Denial of food as child abuse.
• 19:28
  Speaker 13: Paula, Yes, it's actually would fall under severe neglect because
• 19:34
  Speaker 13: the health and safety the life of a child is
• 19:39
  Speaker 13: immediately in danger with that severe withholding of essential necessities
• 19:46
  Speaker 13: food among everything else. And I would say everything else,
• 19:51
  Speaker 13: I mean the conditions of the home, the children having
• 19:55
  Speaker 13: dirty and ill fitting clothes, no supervision, left alone. And
• 20:02
  Speaker 13: what I'm curious about is where were the protective adults
• 20:08
  Speaker 13: such as teachers. You have them a reference to a
• 20:11
  Speaker 13: school uniform, so they're not homeschooled, where children have less
• 20:16
  Speaker 13: access to protective adults.
• 20:18
  Speaker 14: But you have teachers, you have relatives, you have the landlord,
• 20:23
  Speaker 14: if they were living in an apartment, you have neighbors.
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: And I would not be surprised if there have been
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: reports made to child protective Services about the conditions and
• 20:35
  Speaker 13: concerns to these children.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Previously crime stories with Nancy Grace, just recently a high
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: profile case including starvation. I've not one, but all the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: children came to the forefront of the knee in our country.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Now you look at these two parents, they haven't missed
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: a meal. But what about this woman watcher?
• 21:08
  Speaker 15: It Scott a text message from Eve's teacher and she
• 21:14
  Speaker 15: said that Eve did not pack a lunch today and
• 21:17
  Speaker 15: can I bring a lunch over to the school. This
• 21:20
  Speaker 15: happens quite often when you're having raising children, because I
• 21:26
  Speaker 15: know that her teacher is uncomfortable with her being hungry
• 21:31
  Speaker 15: and not having a lunch, and it would ease her
• 21:34
  Speaker 15: discomfort if I came to the school with lunch. But
• 21:38
  Speaker 15: I responded and just said Eve is responsible for making
• 21:43
  Speaker 15: her lunches in the morning, and she actually told me
• 21:46
  Speaker 15: she did pack a lunch. So the natural outcome is
• 21:49
  Speaker 15: she's just going to need to be hungry and hopefully,
• 21:54
  Speaker 15: hopefully nobody gives her food, and nobody steps in and
• 21:57
  Speaker 15: gives her a lunch.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: The teacher uncomfortable, uncomfortable just looking at her.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: That's Ruby Frankie, who shot to stardom with a mommy
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: blog and then her own show that was from the
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: official eight Passengers on YouTube. It went from her fame
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: and glory giving parental advice to millions of followers to.
• 22:24
  Speaker 16: This right, I'm on the address of your emergency. Okay,
• 22:28
  Speaker 16: and that's pun number you're calling from. I me exactly
• 22:32
  Speaker 16: what's happened.
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: I just had a twelve year old boy show up
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: here at my front door asking for help. And he's
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: said he had just came from a neighbor's house, and
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: we know there's been problems at this neighbor's house. He's emaciated,
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: he's got tape around his legs, he's hungry and he's thirsty.
• 22:53
  Speaker 16: Okay, he is your door locked?
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: No, I'm sitting outside with him on the front page.
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: And he asked us to call the police. So he's
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: very afraid and he's twelve years old.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: You can hear the neighbor break down, crying as he
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: sees the starving boy of Ruby Frankie. And in the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: photos we're showing you, we're not we're not even showing
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you the worst because these children were bound and tied up.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to more of that nine one one call.
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: She's a she's a bad lady. We didn't realize how bad.
• 23:38
  Speaker 16: I'm just asking where he is. Well, sounds like he's
• 23:42
  Speaker 16: making a phone call real quick to a sergeant. He
• 23:45
  Speaker 16: is going to head up.
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: Okay, all right, Well, if we have to take it
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: inside the house. We will just we're just sitting outside
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: right now because we have chairs out here, and its convenient.
• 23:55
  Speaker 16: That the thing, if anything, he's sitting out down your
• 23:58
  Speaker 16: driveway and keeping an eye on the house. That's where
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: you feel safe, That's where the child feel safe. So
• 24:02
  Speaker 16: let's just stay where you're at. Does he have anything
• 24:05
  Speaker 16: with him?
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: No, he's run a long sleeve shirt and shorts and
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: it's a way too big for him.
• 24:11
  Speaker 16: Can you tell me what color the short surt?
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: Okay, the ambulance is here.
• 24:15
  Speaker 16: Are they with you?
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: No, they're just not getting out of the truck.
• 24:19
  Speaker 16: Okay, I'll go ahead and I'll let you go. Then
• 24:21
  Speaker 16: you did a great job, Dodger.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Michelle Dupree. I don't know if you could see the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: images that we are showing our viewers right now. But
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: who could see these children and not know something was
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: horribly wrong? Teachers, administrators, neighbors, tenants. Nobody said a thing,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Doctor Dupree, How long would a child starve to get
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to the point of Ruby Frankie's children. You saw the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: bones protruding, almost about to break through the skin.
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: Well, Nancy, it would be about the same thing and
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: of course, everything is dependent upon the child individually, but again,
• 25:02
  Speaker 12: three to four weeks something like that, and this is
• 25:04
  Speaker 12: a chronic thing obviously in these children. This is not
• 25:07
  Speaker 12: an overnight thing or a one time event. This is
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: something that's been going on for a long time, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 12: it's disgusting.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: A child leads officers to siblings with no food, no electricity,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: and dirty clothes while the parents are actually dining out,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: leaving their children to starve.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Come o running over with feces, no clean clothes, the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: place is cold. We find out that the parents have jobs,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: they have money, they have food.
• 25:40
  Speaker 17: Listen looking around the apartment, officers discover the toilet contains
• 25:43
  Speaker 17: stagnant water and feces, and there is no toilet paper.
• 25:46
  Speaker 17: The children tell police they have been without electricity for
• 25:49
  Speaker 17: around two months. Trying to locate their parents, the children
• 25:53
  Speaker 17: tell police they have no way of contacting their mother,
• 25:55
  Speaker 17: but they know she works at a hotel in Miami.
• 25:58
  Speaker 17: They don't know where their father works.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: And then police find out more.
• 26:01
  Speaker 18: As officers talk to the children and look at the apartment,
• 26:04
  Speaker 18: it is apparent things are even worse than it seems.
• 26:07
  Speaker 18: All five children share a single full sized bed and
• 26:10
  Speaker 18: lack clean clothing. Officers also note a strong order of soiling,
• 26:14
  Speaker 18: and the twelve year old girl tells them her parents
• 26:17
  Speaker 18: haven't washed clothes for a couple of weeks, so they
• 26:19
  Speaker 18: just wear what they have.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: So let me understand this, officer Christopher Best joining us
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: from Miami Beach PD.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: So, not only do they not give the.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Children food, the children are starving while they're down the
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: street at Golden Corral, but they don't wash the clothes either.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: The parents go to work every day, their clothes are clean.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I mean they've gotten to know this is wrong.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: It's not like they don't understand what they're doing wrong
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: because their clothes are clean.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: They have food.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, So ourmscation revealed that not only do the parents
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: have jobs, but the mother makes about fourteen hundred dollars
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: a week. When the kid express concerns over having food
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: and clothing, the children to our investigators that it depended
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: on the mood. The twelve year old and all instered
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: purposes were like the guardian of her other siblings. She
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: would advocate for them. She would ask her mother and
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: or father for additional money, and she told our detectives
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: it all depended on their mood, whether they wanted to
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: feed us or not, when they would go out to
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Lincoln Road or Ocean Drive to dine out and have
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: dinner or have takeout, whenever they would ask for more
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: if it was all depending on how the parents felt
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: in that moment.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Isn't it true that she said she was too focused
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: on her job to feed her children.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, that's also what detectives uncovered. And I want to
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: make it very clear these parents do exactly what they
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: were doing. This was very intentional based on the physical
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: evidence and also the testimony of both parents and children.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: This was a chronic issue that stemmed from New York.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: So they had been flagged in New York. What exactly
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: happened when they were in New York.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: So there was an open case of child neglect in
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: New York. CPS took away the kids while they were there.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Once they went through the process of regaining custody of
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: their children, they relocated down here in Miami Beach, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: apparently the same vicious cycle continued. One of the victims
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: in this case, I could sell their cell phone for
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: twenty dollars because that's what they're accustomed to, just to
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: provide food for their kids during a break when their
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: parents refused to provide them with the twenty dollars outside
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: of the mills that they were seeing in school.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: So very disturbing case lay stars. So one of them
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: had a cell phone and had to sell it for food.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, guys, listen to this.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: At the police station, the children are being fed twell
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: of your old girl explains. Occasionally they get deep food
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: their parents bring home. The girl explains to police that
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: her mother would occasionally leave them a twenty dollars bill
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: to buy food, and she would buy two bacon cheeseburgers
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: and three mad chicken sandwiches for McDonald's to feed all
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: five of the children. The parents frequently leave the children
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: at home without food while they go out to eat
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: dinner on an emergency.
• 29:19
  Speaker 16: What are you reporting? So this is no one one
• 29:24
  Speaker 16: day of an emergency.
• 29:27
  Speaker 19: I just got to leave them home because I love
• 29:30
  Speaker 19: when the family of sixteen okay, can you hear me?
• 29:36
  Speaker 19: And we have a busing Paris?
• 29:40
  Speaker 13: Did you hear that?
• 29:41
  Speaker 19: Okay?
• 29:41
  Speaker 16: How did they abuse you?
• 29:43
  Speaker 19: Okay? They hate us betas crooks. They like throats, cross roots,
• 29:50
  Speaker 19: They pull our hair, they beginker our hair. I have
• 29:54
  Speaker 19: two my two little sisters right now are chained up.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: One Terpin child manages to escape through a window after
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: years of abuse and get to make a nine to
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: one call. You saw that photo of all the children
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: in matching outfits. The Turpin parents would do this. They
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: would stage photos and force the children to behave in
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: a certain way in front of the camera, dressing them
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: all alike in a choreographed photo to send out.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: But at home, as is now.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Dubbed the House of Horrors, listen, David and Louise Terpin
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: live in Paris, California, with their thirteen children, raging in
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: age from two to twenty nine. The Turbans in prison
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: and beat their children, only allowing them to eat once
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: a day and bathe once a year. The parents would
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: buy food for themselves, but their kids weren't allowed to
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: eat it. When seventeen year old Jordan escapes out a window,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: she calls nine one one and tells the dispatcher she
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: and her siblings are being abused by their parents and
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: that the smell in the house is so bad sometimes
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: she can barely breathe. She also says two of her
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: sisters and one of her brothers are currently changed to
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: their beds. David and Louise Turban plead guilty and her
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: sentence to life in prison.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Rot in hell.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Turpin parents, they're behind bars where they belong. But guess
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: what they're getting Three hots and a cock, something they
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: deprived their children of for years until again their bones
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: were literally literally sticking out, almost about to puncture the skin.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Another issue there with the Turpins. Listen to this, what
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: about this, doctor Jeff Kalashevski.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: They would buy pies at the deli, in the grocery store,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: apple pies, pumpkin pies and.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: More and leave them out.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Then they would unchain the children and let them out
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: of closets, and they would let them.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Come down and see the food, but not let them
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: eat it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: Right, that's beyond the gluck. That's sadistic psychological abuse, no doubt.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: You know. I'm just wondering what part of hell is
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: for people like this. Crime stories with Nancy Grace Derek Smith.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Please don't think I'm picking on you just because you
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: represent people like this that starve their children.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: What do you do in a case like this?
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: And look, I'm giving you a hard time, but you're
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: very successful. You know the Constitution like the back of
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: your hands. You know the rules of evidence, backwards and forwards,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: like there your alphabet. But how can you get parents
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: off in a case like the one we're looking at
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Forget about the turpins. They've already played guilty. They got
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a one way ticket to hell.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: But how would you argue the current case, the case
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: in chief we're discussing.
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: I think that the biggest issue here would be intent.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, what was the parent's intent here? I know
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: the detective mentioned that, you know, some past issues in
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: New York could point to a pattern of behavior with them.
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: But I mean, there's no evidence of physical abuse, which
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: is good. I understand that we have some evidence that
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: the mother is employed and what money she's making. However,
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: what are their expenses?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: There's no well that the parents not paying the electric
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: bill and the grocery bill is next to nothing.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean grocery sts you know, are expensive nowadays,
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: and you got five kids to feed here in this case.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, you need to stop right there. You need to stop. Okay.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I was supporting you and your representation because it's allowed
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: under the constitution appearance that starve their children. But to
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: say with a straight face, Grocery bills are expensive. They're
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: eating out, man, they're paying for a restaurant food.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: You know what I grew up. We never got to
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: go to a restaurant.
• 33:46
  Speaker 19: Eh.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: We ate home every night because we couldn't afford to
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: go to a restaurant.
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: Well, obviously they can't cook at home if they don't
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: have that working stuff stole. But they may have an
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: air fryer, they may have a microwave, other ways that
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: they can prepare the food for the children. But they
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: don't go to school.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: They can list on you.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're saying grocery bills, I got to write
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: this down. Grocery bills cost a lot. That's gonna work
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: with a jury, Good.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: Luck with that.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: And the stove's not working. Why is it the stove working?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Stove's not working, Derek, because mommy and daddy are spending
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the money on themselves. You saw them. They ain't missed
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a meal, man, They can get back and forth to work.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: The mom's making seventy two grand a year for Pete's sake.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: The reason they can't cook is because they aren't paying
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: for heat and air conditioned, much less.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: A stove in the home.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: But I can see where you're going, and you know
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I asked for that, you gave it to me. That's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: what your defense would be. Although I think the mom
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: not wanting them to eat snack food or fast food.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: That might work a little bit better. But I want
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you to hear this. Derek Smith.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Police asked the children if they were hungry and fed them.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: As police interview the twelve year old, she utters some
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: very telling information. The parents would frequently share an evening
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: meal without providing food for the children, and they would
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: often leave the children at home while they went out
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: to dinner. The girl says the siblings often went to
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: bed hungary.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: You know, Chelsea Jones joining us evening anchor investigative reporter
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: CBS needs Miami.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: She won an Emmy. That ain't easy, Chelsea. I mean,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me about these two parents. The
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: dad had a job. I just don't know what his
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: job is yet.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: The mom had a really good job at a hotel
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: in Miami, So that tells me she had to go
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: back and forth. She probably had a car so she
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: could afford transportation, eating out, clothes to wear to work,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: the whole shebang, but not food for her children and
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: the apartment was like a hellhole.
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's unclear based on what police had told us
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: at this point and revealed how she got to work,
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: but they report that she worked at Moxie Hotel, which
• 36:05
  Speaker 9: is also one to beat, so she could be getting
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: there by foot. However, when I talked to her, she
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: was really emphasizing the fact that she made a mistake.
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: She did confirm that she was from New York and
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: that her children never went to bed hungry and that
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: at the end of the day they just weren't hungry,
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: despite what has been revealed by.
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: Police that these children were not eating and were being neglected.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Chelsea, did you say the mom said her children never
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: went to bed hungry?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Correct? Oh, I can't wait to have the jury to
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: hear that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: What I asked her specifically about the twenty dollars that
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: she would sometimes supply in the food that they were
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: able to get with only twenty dollars for the five kids,
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: and she said that wasn't true and that they often
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: just didn't want what she would allow.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Take care of your.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: Kids, I let the job. I was focusing more on
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: the job than the kids, and it got some of
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: like the career and stuff, but just take care of
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: your kids and you know, love them as.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Much as you can.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: What you were hearing mommy Azra Nikosovic speaking to our
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Chelsea Jones, investigative reporter anchor CBS Miami. Did I just
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: hear her correctly? Chelsea?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Did she actually tell you I was focusing more on
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the job and the career.
• 37:29
  Speaker 20: What that was?
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: Correct?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Yes? And that's not all she said.
• 37:32
  Speaker 10: Listen, Please say they found you know the plumbing wasn't on.
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: The electricity you hadn't been on for two months.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: The kids say, correct, the electricity was all for like
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: a month and a half and the toilet was clogged.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: But I'll fix everything. Okay.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: If she ever does fix it, it's because the court
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: will make her fix it. But here is mommy along
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: with Daddy in court.
• 37:52
  Speaker 21: I'm going to say, I'll find Noble Claus. I do
• 37:56
  Speaker 21: find it for all five counts.
• 37:58
  Speaker 20: If you'd be so implied for pre trial service for
• 38:00
  Speaker 20: all five counts, considering mission that COVID the Koachovik's lack.
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  Speaker 21: Of criminal history, what's your position?
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  Speaker 8: See?
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  Speaker 20: Given though this, the state doesn't feel like this should
• 38:15
  Speaker 20: be a good bit on the infarmers. The the listed
• 38:21
  Speaker 20: address where the living has no electricity, no standing. Third
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  Speaker 20: precaution asines on.
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  Speaker 21: Bust one bond of twenty five hundred dollars. That's the
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  Speaker 21: standard bond. I'll set that for count one or more
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  Speaker 21: on the other counts. It's all for the same same
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  Speaker 21: Act two accounts two, three, four and five or or
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  Speaker 21: or count one twenty.
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  Speaker 2: He's playing what you're hearing right now. The defense attorney,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: he's pulling a Derek Smith right there.
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  Speaker 1: Ask for a PTS.
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  Speaker 2: You know what that is.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: We just got PTI preached.
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  Speaker 2: That's where there's no criminal case, and the defendants go
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  Speaker 2: to some classes like parenting classes, and then everything's dropped
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  Speaker 2: and the prosecutor, thank goodness, said no, and they have
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  Speaker 2: walked out on twenty five hundred dollars bond.
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  Speaker 1: Translation, that's two hundred and fifty dollars.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: They have to put up and are released on your
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: own recognissance.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: In other words, you don't have to pay anything.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Just go back out there, okay to Paula ROADI joining
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  Speaker 2: me former Child Protective Services, now Paula Roady consulting.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And it just keeps on and on and on. Second verse,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: same as the first.
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  Speaker 2: These two are out r R probably at Chipotle right now,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: probably having a mistake somewhere. Maybe they're out back, I
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: don't know, after starving their children.
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  Speaker 14: Yes, it's it's criminal and they were arrested. So and
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  Speaker 14: I think that next step with regards to the Child
• 40:05
  Speaker 14: Protective Services is to request of the juvenile court that
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  Speaker 14: the parents undergo a In California, it's called a evidentiary
• 40:17
  Speaker 14: psychological evaluation.
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  Speaker 10: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: I was with you until you said that the parents
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: get to have a shrink paid by me, the taxpayer.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: You know what, I don't need a shrink to know
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that they are self centered and they are sadistic, watching
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: their children day by day starve. Chelsea Jones joining me
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  Speaker 2: CBS Need's Miami. What's next for mommy and daddy.
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  Speaker 9: What Mom told me when I spoke to her was
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: that she was going to fight to get custody of
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: her five kids back.
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: And we have yet to hear from the father.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, we wait as justice and folds. Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace signing off, goodbye friend,