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Garth Glissman (SEC Associate Commissioner): Part 1 · Early Break – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK

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  [SPEAKER_01]: Live from Lincoln America here's 93 seven at tickets Jake's orange set.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm wrong, but I'm not Husker online Steve Sipple if I were a feral cat and longtime college football assistant coach Bill Bush We have one team minds the Houston oilers.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not the Texans and I'm not the titans So this is early break
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  [UNKNOWN]: Thanks for watching!
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to our two on a Wednesday Steve Simple Jake Swords and Bill Bush on early break our two sponsored by our friends at Pinnacle Bank So the promotion is over with a new promotion Sony up next week for the mortgage, but Pinnacle Bank member FDIC Chris Lauer and Lyndon Martin line still will be there for your mortgages if you'd like to do a mortgage with them
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Bill, I think it's squeezing one more day.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They probably could have if it was $2.30.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he'd be stopped in today that they'll have a chance to jump into that one more time.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But thank you for pinnacle bank for what they do.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Who's with us, Jake?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We are pleased to be joined.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't get it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not often going to talk to somebody involved in the higher-ups of a conference.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's Garth Gillespie with us.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The SEC Associate Commissioner.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Garth, thank you for joining us.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The studio.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Good to see you here.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Jake, thanks for having me.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Good to be back in my hometown.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And want to compliment the three of you for taking your show on the road to Penderne Braskin.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Bill Bill and I have that that were roots in common.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My grandma still lives in Penderne.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Grandma lives in Penderne.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My 95-year-old grandma lives in Penderne.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My dad was born and raised there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My uncle went to high school with Bill.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll be there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Brett.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Brett.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Brett.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Brett.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Brett.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Brett.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Brett.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So deep pender roots.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We will be there for two nights later this week.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Very nice.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I woke up.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was Friday morning.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I woke up to to your set on Main Street Pender.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My little Brett was at the show.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Send me some pictures.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And that to me is is the beauty of sports.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: brings people together brings communities together.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I know it meant a lot to the community of Pender so just wanted to commend you for that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much appreciate that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Just think about this.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Gars coaching high school basketball here in in Nebraska.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And then next thing, you know, the number two guy at the SEC.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's that's a big jump.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a hundred that that has some Pender or something, but just
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Walk us through that briefly just about just how again this this all happened like you're like said you're coaching basketball high school basketball and Nebraska you're also a lawyer at the time and then next thing you know you're your your your wrist off you're in the NBA and now you're at the SEC how does that happen?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That was an overly charitable description of my career path bill, but very kind of you to say.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So about 10 years ago, I was coaching high school basketball just a few minutes from this studio.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was hooked.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was coaching at Parkview Christian and I was an attorney and Omaha Nebraska at that time at QTech Rock.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was living in downtown Omaha right by the firmware work and I had been there for
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  [SPEAKER_03]: about seven and a half years.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I coach high school basketball starting when I was in law school all the way through until I left for the NBA in 2016.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I had this kind of strange dual existence.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was a corporate attorney during the day and I was a head high school basketball coach night and somehow that trip to wire at the NBA when they were looking for a basketball lawyer.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so the NBA recruiter reached out to me and he said, let me get this straight.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So your lawyer.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And your high school basketball coach, both at the same time, he said, do I have that right?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, yeah, he said, well, that's what I was hoping you were going to say, because we're looking for a basketball lawyer.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I went through a six month interview process with the NBA.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Finally, they hired me.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think initially when they started to interview me, they had me in mind for a role with the then D league.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, G league.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But after six months,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they felt like I was I was ready for the big show.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I got hired to work with the NBA right away.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a transformational experience for me.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember my first week on the job.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I met a meeting with Adam Silver.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's calling on me.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You and Adam Silver, he's asking you questions.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was fortunate because there were about 400 employees at the headquarters in Midtown, Manhattan, New York City and not all 400 employees get to have direct interaction with Adam, but just by virtue of the role that I was in and the timing at which I came in and how the organization was structured at that time.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I got very early exposure to Commissioner Silver and so that continued for seven and a half years and I learned a ton
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I had really developed into, you know, a strong number two.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was, I was that really, I guess, you know, you can relate successful assistant coach to make it an analogy.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But I wanted a chance to lead.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And my wife and I also, we had just had our second child and the thought of raising two of the kids in New York City was a little tough for us to envision coming from my wife's also from Nebraska to Nebraska kids.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so an opportunity to lead and live in a community that we thought would be better for our family and Birmingham is really why I transitioned.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: to the SEC and so the SEC gave me an opportunity to lead all things when it's basketball to really have an area where I could lead and then since then I've layered on some additional responsibilities, you know, any time you do a job.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: you want to do a little bit more work, a little more responsibility with each, you know, increment of time that you're there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's that's been the case at the SEC.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I've added on some more responsibility including some some football and some work on the on the revenue side.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's been it's been a great three years in the SEC and the decision to move down there in an opportunity to lead and put my family in a good position all that has come to fruition.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So you're last you with the NBA was 2023?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I left the NBA in August of 2023.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, you are the vice president of basketball operations, is that right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so you're essentially number two.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I was not, I was not number two.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I really want to be a rebarer.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We see you as all the people.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We just, we see one A and one B and that was Garth.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I said it was an overly charitable description.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You're so your number two.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hi.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you weren't number two.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But you were vice president, Vascia.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I got great opportunities to learn.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a life changing experience for me.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's to imagine moving to Manhattan and I'm working and I'm going to the NBA office every day and the commissioner is calling on me in meetings.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: that happened pretty quickly.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I know that's not trying to make his, you know, commissioners or lawyers.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, the way lawyers process is it's kind of this, you know,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: questioning this interrogation of sorts.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So the NBA League office has a law firm ethos.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: David Stern was a long time attorney Adam Silver's attorney.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So the trading that I had as an attorney was actually really helpful because they're just very much a lawyerly ethos to how the NBA League office operates.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So there was a lot of
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  [SPEAKER_03]: newness to working in New York City where I'd never worked in professional sports.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So there was a lot to learn, but I also give my legal background.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I fit in pretty well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Down to brass tack.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Bill, you won't just start with the plan.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We did.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We really appreciate Gartha tacking this with us.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So the one of the biggest conversations is the playoffs and the size of the playoffs.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: On the stool, we're pretty locked in.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We kind of think 12's okay, but we're up for anything to listen to.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very clear that Big 10 once 24 in the SEC does not want 24.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Can you please walk us through what it's like in the discussions or how this is going about with in the SEC when you guys talk about this?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The Big Ten is a valuable partner for the SEC.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We have a very good relationship with the Big Ten.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They are also a formidable competitor that there's tremendous respect between the two conferences.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Inevitably, they're going to be points of different relationships with respect to how the industry should evolve.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's well documented that there's different thoughts on the size of the football playoff.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: In my opinion, one of the beauties of college football, excuse me, is the fabric of the regular season.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Every Saturday means something.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And the 90s when Nebraska was winning its national championships and football, you really couldn't afford one misstep.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's why the miracle, you know, Matt Davis and catch at Missouri on the road in 97 means so much because we all know that if we had lost that game, there was probably no way to get back into the national championship.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's evolved over the years, you know, a 14 playoff, now a 12 team playoff, but the regular season still means a lot in college football.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Every Saturday means a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And to me, that is, and I think in the SEC view of the world, that is part of the pageantry of college football.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: If you expand to 24, you will have the unintended consequence of reshaping the dynamics of the regular season.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: regular season games will not mean as much.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And because I spent more time in pro sports and I have back in college sports now, you look at pro sports and what happens towards the end of an NFL regular season.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You see teams resting guys.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think it's a stretch to say that the same would happen in college football if you get to a 2014 playoff.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I do think you would see teams resting guys at a minimum games would knock me nearly as much and also know where they could.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: You think 2014 is it could mean as much to get in.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It wouldn't mean as much and also you think about the calendar of the college football season historically.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: the games, some of the most iconic traditional rivalries happened on the last play date of the regular season.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So it used to be Nebraska, Oklahoma, now it's Nebraska, Iowa and the SEC, it's the Ironberg, well, Alabama, Auburn.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So can you imagine a scenario where you have a team that's locked in to go to the 2014 hypothetical, football playoff?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're missing in Ohio State, they're resting.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They're starting quarters.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Ohio State resting.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and in Jackson in one of the most iconic rivalries in the sport.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that may seem far-fetched, but I have an operating theory when I came from pro sports that for better or worse college sports looks more like pro sports every day.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so when I talk to our coaches,
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's so much uncertainty in college boards, one of the ways that I try to help them see where I think the future is headed is let's look at history lessons from pro sports.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This one isn't that hard.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You could look at what happens to the regular season when a playoff field expands.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And also, I would note that we've done a lot of research at the SEC about playoff expansion and different major pro sports leagues, both college and pro in the United States.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And it would be an unprecedented expansion to go from 12 to 24.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: If you just think about it, think about how the NFL playoffs have expanded over time, think about the college, you know, you went from a national championship.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, their first of all, there was no national championship game.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Then you went to the BCS of those two teams and you went to four, then you go to 12.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Now it's 24 to address the double.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not long after you were at four.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no precedent for that type of Change in terms of the number of teams in the playoff, and I can promise you there would be unintended consequences and Delusion of the regular season is is highly likely.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I just wonder what pity we can say if you sit in right there
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the right now point counterpoint like the lawyer here is pretty much nailed it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But you guys, it also appears that if the SEC, you guys weren't sitting around the table and say, what do you guys think 12 or 24 and just raised your hand and okay, that's what we're going to go with.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: 12, maybe not.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the research that was done on this, it wasn't just kind of well, we just think 12's the number.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know that Nebraska and love sports and and the brascans are.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Smart, nonpronoun, all that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I would put it out to your listeners.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Can any listener think of a precedent that would support going from four to twenty four teams in less than a decade.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Separate question.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Can anyone think of precedent for doubling the playoff field from one year to the next?
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: No president based on our research in terms of major US-based sports leagues unprecedented and and you look at college basketball.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There was a fair amount of controversy about expanding the field from 68 to 76 okay that's the margins that's that's incremental expansion that's not going to fundamentally everyone's the regular season and no one wanted it.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: nobody wanted although I think there's actually a lot of merit to the expansion we can get it out if you want but we will doubling the field from one year to the next is based on our research unprecedented it would change the nature of the regular season and so those are those are the issues the SEC's wrestling with Jake let's go let's just go right to what is the merit of expanding the NCA tournament to it's 76 what is the merit because we we've been boyciferous again yes
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Fans are opposed to it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think if I was just a fan, I would probably feel the same way.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you look throughout history, the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament has incrementally expanded.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Recent expansion has not caught up with the size of the expansion of Division I membership.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So on a percentage basis, so you understand, like you think back to when I, how many other
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So when I was in college, UNO was playing division two college basketball.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not that long ago.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of UNO's in North Dakota states and South Dakota states and South Dakota is coming online in the last 20 years.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But expansion has not kept pace.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So on a percentage basis, we were due for expansion.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Then.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: you look more deeply, and if I was, so as an SDC administrator, or if I was a big 10 fan, I would be in favor of expansion of the Instabila Mads basketball tournament because it will mean more access.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we've done the research at the SDC on an average year.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: We think the SDC will get one more team in the Mads basketball tournament in the new format.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the same is probably true for the big 10.
• 14:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in a particular, you may actually get two more teams.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So it is not a stretch to say that in the next five years, Nebraska could be a beneficiary of the expanded field, get into the tournament when they wouldn't have otherwise.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the next argument that fans go to as well, those teams don't deserve to be in.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And in response to that, I would cite,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: some recent historical precedent.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the SEC, in the last two years, we have had two teams go sub-500 at SEC Play.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Make the sweet 16. Who's that?
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Arkansas and 25?
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Texas and 2026.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Texas is an interesting example because Texas was the last SEC team to make the field this past year.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: They played in the first four in Dayton.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: made it all the way to the sweet 16 and lost to a very good Purdue team at the buzzer on a tip-in, so they're right there knocking on the door of the Elite A.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the point is when you're playing in a major conference like the SEC or the Big 10,
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nebraska had a historic year and men's basketball last year, but imagine a year where the ball doesn't bounce quite as favorably for Nebraska, and all of a sudden, you know, you're maybe sub 500 in conference play, but you catch some momentum going into the postseason, and you, and this new format, you have a chance, a greater chance of getting in, and then,
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: As I said, recent history suggests that teams that may be underperformed and a major conference still have the opportunity to advance deep into the NCAA tournament.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: So at the margins, it shows those teams that
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: in particular bubble team for major conferences do have the potential to advance deep into the tournament.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: The research is unreal.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why is it going back to football?
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why is 16?
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why was that number off the table?
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is either 24 or remain at 12?
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: 16 in our room thought that was something that's like, okay, we could look at that.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's just
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: get to it because Nebraska is a practical people, right?
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the reason that and football and men's basketball that there is this considerable push to expand the field is because the schools want more access.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And the reason that schools want more access is because they are investing more than ever before in the form of player compensation.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And it is a really difficult position to be in
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  [SPEAKER_03]: as a head coach or an administrator to have, you know, ask so much from your fan base for purposes and player compensation and then not even to make the postseason.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if we're if we're being candid, you know, push to expand the postseason is about relieving the pressure on the campus level because it allows coaches and administrators to point to some type of objective success and say
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Your investment in our roster, therefore, was worth it.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I make sense now you have the SEC has made a point correct me if I'm wrong.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that commissioner Sanky said you guys went to nine games, which is big in the SEC, which everyone feels had to happen, but didn't he also say that that is it is advised or should be looked at to play one power for a conference mandatory as mandatory.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: SEC mandatory.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that part of the discussion was
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: omitted from the earlier criticism of the SEC only playing eight games.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the old policy was eight SEC games plus one mandatory P4.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you'd have a minimum of nine P4 per year
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: So beginning this year, the SEC will play nine SEC games, but the requirement to play one power four non-conference game is still intact.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's actually ten power four games, nine of which are SEC conference games.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, we were just going through that the Big 10, I mean, there's only two more key non-conference games.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ohio State, Texas, and Michigan, Oklahoma, so SEC's evolved there beyond that five teams in the Big 10 do not play a powerful team this year, including Nebraska into a non-conference play.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So in the big ten has watered it down in terms of their levels of schedule and and so I think we understand what you're trying to say about the SEC they're still playing great teams outside of the conference play and and this is where This is Somewhat heretical to say especially in these parts of the country and also in the southeast this is where college football
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: needs to learn from college basketball.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what I mean by that is college basketball has evolved to the point where there are accepted metrics and methodologies, pursuant to which teams and their strength of schedules are evaluated for purposes of post these in selection and seeding.
• 19:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: and college football, we are still stuck in an antiquated world of holding a loss against a team and in many ways treating losses as the same.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: When not all losses are created equal, college football needs to evolve in terms of data-driven methodologies for purposes of evaluating resumes, much like they do in men's basketball.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is what we're talking about metrics.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, so, so, and, okay, Jerry Paul, you guys became basketball experts this past year because Nebraska was having.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are more in the experience.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, when you were evaluating Nebraska's seeding possibilities, you were talking about their net ranking.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's other metrics to Ken Palm rankings, not sure how far you went down that rabbit hole, but certainly you're familiar with the net and quad one.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: College football doesn't have any of that.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not that.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Time to get on that.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a hundred times.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the reason why college basketball is ahead is because college basketball has decades of experience, selecting and seeding the tournament bracket.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And college football is just operated a different way.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So,
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: College football going forward will have to essentially jointly develop some industry-accepted data-driven methodologies, such that teams are not disincentivized to schedule tough non-conference games.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that, I wonder if it's in the works, I mean, think of the person who developed that, the equivalent of the net in college football, that would be incredibly valuable.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I want to ask you this, how unwieldy is the in pass between the SEC and the big 10, I mean, is it, can there be, is somebody going to give ground at some point.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of, would you deferred it?
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, now.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, calling it an impasse, I think is a little, in many ways, a media-driven characterization.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in the media.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was talking to one of my counterparts at the Big Tangist yesterday, and he calls, and he wants to talk shop on a couple of matters.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I say, hey, I'm in Big Tang Country.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in Lincoln, Nebraska today.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we have this healthy working relationship.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't mean we agree on every single point.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: the SEC's official position.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, I would defer to Commissioner Sanky.
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's important we speak with one voice.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know where that stands, but it is accurate to say that under the current college football playoff format that the SEC and the Big Ten have disproportionate voting rights, so to speak.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there won't be a format change.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh, and all like we had until the two conferences get on the same page this year.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Beauty questions for Garth.
• 22:49
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• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can you stick around from their segment, Garth?
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Much as long as you're on the right.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we can ask about this.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Garble beer is still 10.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Nielsen rating.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's something of this side here on early break on the ticket.