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Chuck & Buck 1-29 Hour 3: 12th Man roundtable with Gregg Bell and Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Well, happy Thursday to you all. It is check them
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Speaker 1: back in the mornings, just ten sleeps away from Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl sixty Seahawks taking on the New England Patriots, and
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Speaker 1: we have an entire hour plan for you of Seahawk conversation,
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Speaker 1: of course, a little bit on winning the NFC Conference
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Speaker 1: Championship game, a little bit on the New England Patriots,
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Speaker 1: and all sorts of the in between that we will
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Speaker 1: discuss with our experts, Greg Bell, our Seahawks insider from
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Speaker 1: the Tacoma News Tribune who'll be with us all hour long,
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Speaker 1: and also our QB one top analyst around these year parts.
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Speaker 1: Former NFL quarterback, former U dub quarterback, and now Hall
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Speaker 1: of Famer Pacific Northwest Football Hall of Famer Hugh Millan
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Speaker 1: is with us as well. Congratulations, hund and humbled.
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Speaker 2: Good to be with you and try to put that
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Speaker 2: to good work on and analyze what hopefully is an
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Speaker 2: incredible game. Certainly we had the incredible game last week,
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Speaker 2: no doubt about it.
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Speaker 3: All.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Well here we go. I mean, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have two of these the super Bowl warrants that we'll
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Speaker 1: have one next week down from Santa Clara twelve man
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Speaker 1: round table as well. But you Seahawks are heading back
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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl and with just as we talked
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Speaker 1: about earlier, just a wildly entertaining team that's had just
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Speaker 1: an incredible season that has just been every single week
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Speaker 1: has been sort of a chapter in a storybook.
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Speaker 3: It kind of feels like, I mean.
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Speaker 1: This team with that win on Sunday, punches its ticket
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Speaker 1: and man, what a year it's been for the Seattle Seahawks.
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Speaker 3: It's just been something.
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Speaker 2: I mean, think about Pete Carroll, he was obviously his
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Speaker 2: first year there was twenty ten, so he doesn't go
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Speaker 2: to his fourth year here. Mirk McDonald is going in
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Speaker 2: year two, and I think I think me like a
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Speaker 2: lot of us were hoping that they have to face
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Speaker 2: somebody other than the Rams. I've spent the whole playoff games,
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Speaker 2: you know, biten knuckles trying to avert the Rams. But
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Speaker 2: then as it played out, there was an acknowledgment even
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Speaker 2: prior to the game that well, if you knew for
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Speaker 2: sure the Seahawks are going to the Super Bowl, the
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Speaker 2: team that you would want to play with that knowledge
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Speaker 2: would be the Rams. And so they got the Rams.
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Speaker 2: There's no excuse about the weather, what have you. Nobody
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Speaker 2: can say, well, Sam Darnold, Yeah, he's lucky he didn't
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Speaker 2: have to play the Rams because they're his kryptonite.
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Speaker 3: Whatever. So it just ended up being an epic game
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Speaker 3: with all the.
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Speaker 2: Scoring you could ever want in the third quarter, then
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Speaker 2: all the scoring shuts down in the fourth quarter, with
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Speaker 2: all the tension. It was just, what, in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: one of the great games in the history of Seattle sports.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no question. And Greg bel with us as well.
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Speaker 1: Greg punching the ticket to the Super Bowl. Man, what
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Speaker 1: a remarkable job by everybody from the top down. I
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Speaker 1: mean John Schneider runaway Executive of the Year, Mike McDonald,
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Speaker 1: what he's done in two years, incredible and this roster
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Speaker 1: just coming together as a team. I think we do
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Speaker 1: need to just highlight just a complete effort to get
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Speaker 1: to this point before we discuss anything else.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, good morning. He spent the first year McDonald did
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Speaker 4: rebuilding the defense McDonald and John Schneider, and then this
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Speaker 4: year rebuilding the offense, bringing in a whole new offensive coordinator,
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Speaker 4: a whole new system. But Sam Donald won the game Sunday.
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Speaker 4: That was the best performance by a quarterback in the
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Speaker 4: biggest stakes in Seattle history. You go back to the
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Speaker 4: four previous conference championship games and none of the quarterback
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Speaker 4: play even had three hundred yards passing, none of them
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Speaker 4: had zero interceptions, none of them had three touchdown passes.
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Speaker 4: It's the checkered history actually going all the way back
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Speaker 4: to nineteen eighty three the Seahawks when they went to
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Speaker 4: the Coliseum to play the Raiders and Dave Craig went
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Speaker 4: three for nine with three sacks and three interceptions and
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Speaker 4: got benched when it was twenty to nothing in the
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Speaker 4: first half. Sam Donald given the stakes. That was the
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Speaker 4: greatest quarterback performance in a title game in Seahawks history.
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Speaker 4: And that's why they got there, and that they needed
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Speaker 4: that to beat the Rams the way the Rams rolled
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Speaker 4: up almost five hundred yards of offense yet again. But
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Speaker 4: it is the culmination now of a two part rebuild,
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Speaker 4: a two part reset of the franchise. Last year was
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Speaker 4: with the Ernest Jones trade being the accelerator. It was
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Speaker 4: the defense. Then they draft for Nick even Worry trade
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Speaker 4: up seventeen spots to get him, and we've seen and
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Speaker 4: we've talked all year about even Worried, and now the
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Speaker 4: whole country is starting to recognize him. And this year
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Speaker 4: was devoted to the offense. The running game has been
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Speaker 4: the one thing that has been a curiosity of this team,
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Speaker 4: and now it is working as well. It took him
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Speaker 4: all the way into December and now it's working and
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Speaker 4: with Darnold playing the way he is and again no turnovers.
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Speaker 4: How many times we talk about that if they don't
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Speaker 4: turn them all over, they're going to win the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: I said that, I think it's September and the defense
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Speaker 4: is bearing that out right now. It is a very
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Speaker 4: quick turnaround. I don't know even if it inside the building.
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Speaker 4: They could have expected to be in the Super Bowl
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Speaker 4: this year, maybe a year or two. There's still the
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Speaker 4: third youngest roster in the league.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, backy.
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Speaker 1: I know one guy that's not getting a Scarlet D
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Speaker 1: this week, and that is Hugh Millan. He has had
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Speaker 1: Sam Donald's back for weeks. Tell me, Hugh, did Sam
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Speaker 1: Darnold finally silence all those critics for once and for
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Speaker 1: all on Sunday?
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Speaker 2: Well, I can't get into the head of the critics.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand why they were latching onto this for
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Speaker 2: as long as they did. You know, when you consider
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Speaker 2: that the guy for the last forty four games is
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Speaker 2: thirty four and ten, which is the winning this record
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Speaker 2: in that span, he has the highest percentage of those
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Speaker 2: games over sixty percent, the highest percent of games that
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Speaker 2: go over triple digits. I mean, it's not a terribly
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Speaker 2: difficult concept to comprehend. You got drafted as a twenty
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Speaker 2: year old. You went to the Jets. Both offensive coordinators
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Speaker 2: that you played for after losing their jobs never got
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Speaker 2: an NFL job again. Research how often that happens. You
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Speaker 2: can't even get a tight end coaching after losing after
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Speaker 2: being a getting fired as an OCD. You know, and
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Speaker 2: so you know, hey, guess what he improved on his job.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that should be terribly difficult to uh
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Speaker 2: to uh to grasp and and and yet I think
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Speaker 2: you know, there's cognitive dissonance and all these terms about
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Speaker 2: psychologically it's hard to let go of our initial impression
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Speaker 2: and and and and I think some people are. And
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Speaker 2: yet I would think new evidence has always got a
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Speaker 2: trump your ego. And and if you hold a position
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Speaker 2: and then new evidence comes in, well forty four games
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Speaker 2: worth of new evidence ought to be enough to uh
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Speaker 2: to trump what your ego was, what you thought he
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Speaker 2: was with the Jets. So in any event that I
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Speaker 2: I don't think that the critics are gonna disappear because
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Speaker 2: they're they're probably you know, just waiting for him to
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Speaker 2: fail in the super Bowl, and then if he wins one,
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Speaker 2: you's gon have to win two and what have you.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's guys like Jim Plunkett and many that
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Speaker 2: started their career rough and then actually, you know, their
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Speaker 2: their game materialized.
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Speaker 3: So anyway, it.
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Speaker 2: Couldn't be more proud of and the and what's cool
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Speaker 2: about it is Sam Donald is the last guy who's
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Speaker 2: spiking the football, you know, and so you know, there's
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Speaker 2: a humility that's always reigned with him.
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Speaker 3: And it maintains, Yeah, if.
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Speaker 4: You're in the third, if you're the third overall pick,
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Speaker 4: the team you're going to stinks. And he went to
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Speaker 4: the Jets and they stunk, and so he's stuck and
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Speaker 4: he had he got run out of town because he
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Speaker 4: didn't single handedly resuscitate the franchise. Then he went to
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Speaker 4: the Carolina Panthers and they stunk. The post Super Bowl
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Speaker 4: fifty Carolina Panthers who were rebuilding on the down side
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Speaker 4: of the Ron rivera regime. I mean, there's a reason
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Speaker 4: why quarterbacks get picked in the top five of the draft.
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Speaker 4: There's Super Bowl teams are not drafting those guys, and
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Speaker 4: there's no Patrick Mahomes sitting and waiting for four or
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Speaker 4: five years or Aaron Rodgers. That's not out at all
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Speaker 4: what Sam Donald's career was. And he didn't get a
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Speaker 4: full time gig until last year by accident with Minnesota.
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Speaker 4: People forget JJ McCarthy was supposed to be the starting
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Speaker 4: quarterback last year in Minnesota to twenty twenty four season
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Speaker 4: as a tenth overall pick, and then he got hurt
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Speaker 4: and ruined his knee in the middle of training camp,
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Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, it was Sam Darnold,
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Speaker 4: and then he goes fourteen and two and the Vikings say,
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Speaker 4: I will go with McCarthy, which our original plan was.
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Speaker 4: And that's the only reason he became a Seahawk in
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Speaker 4: this truly is his first year over year opportunity with
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Speaker 4: a good team. The Jets were not a good team.
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Speaker 4: The other team he played for for multiple years, the Panthers,
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Speaker 4: were not. So to Hugh's point about, you know, Jim
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Speaker 4: Pluckett was the same way Jim Puncktt got drafted into
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Speaker 4: a bad Patriots team. He was in a bad San
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Speaker 4: Francisco team. He got to the Raiders and he won
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Speaker 4: a Super Bowl. He won two super Bowls. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 4: two super Bowls. So that the latent success of Sam
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Speaker 4: Donald has a lot to do with the circumstances and surroundings.
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Speaker 1: He's in Greg Mellhew mellon with us twelve man round
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Speaker 1: table here on this Thursday.
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Speaker 3: We do it every week, and so let's.
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Speaker 1: Talk about a little bit from I mean, Mike McDonald's
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Speaker 1: obviously gotten all sorts of praise and flowers this year,
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Speaker 1: but Hugh did. Clint Kubiak possibly is he the coaching
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Speaker 1: reason why the Seahawks are advancing over the Los Angeles Rams.
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Speaker 1: He seemed to have a better day than McDonald did
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Speaker 1: on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would say, you know, I get up early
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Speaker 2: on Monday mornings to watch the coaches tape in advance
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Speaker 2: of my part of our show on Monday morning, and
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Speaker 2: you know, most of the time we're lauding Mike McDonald
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Speaker 2: and his the precision and how he's teaching and the
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Speaker 2: x's and o's and how they play out. I would say, arguably,
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Speaker 2: this is one of the best games I've seen from
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Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator in years for the Seattle Seahawks. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I think that the most white hot I've ever seen
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Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator was Steve sark kes in in the
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Speaker 2: National Championship game Alabama. I don't remember who they played,
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Speaker 2: but I just remember that dude was just pushing all
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Speaker 2: the buttons. Let me let me just quickly review a
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Speaker 2: four play sequence in the end of the second quarter.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna remember these plays. Uh Remember when when JASN
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Speaker 2: had that forty two yarchder down the middle of the
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Speaker 2: field right before halftime, They had a jam on on
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Speaker 2: JSN before the motion and they timed the motion exactly
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Speaker 2: so that the corner has to pop out, allowing JSN
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Speaker 2: to have free access. It's a cover two beater. Yes,
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Speaker 2: they got cover two. It's the sting round. Then they
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Speaker 2: come back and if you remember, they hit Halani for
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Speaker 2: I believe a thirteen yard or in the flat on
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Speaker 2: that play the bobo the way they they squeezed the formation,
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Speaker 2: bobo was wide open for a post. So right now
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Speaker 2: two for two you have got uh, you've got Clint
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Speaker 2: Kubiak has designed guys wide open. They're not even within Bucky.
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Speaker 2: You'll know this because he's been O B two two
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Speaker 2: club links worth of of uh of any any the
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Speaker 2: nearest defender right the next one, they remember when j
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Speaker 2: s N caught the ball like five yards out of
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Speaker 2: the back of.
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Speaker 3: The end zone.
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Speaker 2: Uh right, that was that they that was designed with squeeze.
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Speaker 2: It looks like a scissors. No, it's not a scissors
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Speaker 2: where they're gonna criss cross. It's gonna be what's called
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Speaker 2: the dagger concept, where you're gonna have j s N
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Speaker 2: over the top and and and then uh Shaheed coming
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Speaker 2: in on an intermediate break.
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Speaker 3: The way they confused, they got j s N wide.
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Speaker 2: Open in the back just uh Sam was late and
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Speaker 2: then they get the touchdown on the corner in the
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Speaker 2: backfield where they're there. The Rams are playing what's called
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Speaker 2: the box four over three, and so the way the
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Speaker 2: the shallow guys will take first in first out, the
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Speaker 2: deeper guys would take first in first out. And and
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Speaker 2: yet because they put Jsn most of him in the backfield,
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Speaker 2: Shah takes out the two back layers and they completely
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Speaker 2: turn jays N loose. You get a touchdown on the corner.
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Speaker 3: Those were four.
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Speaker 2: Back to back to back to back plays, and Clint
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Speaker 2: Kubiak is getting wide open guys. And then in the
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Speaker 2: third quarter on a bunch formation third and nine they
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Speaker 2: run a flood concept and you've got Cooper cup Wide
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Speaker 2: opening the flat. Sam Darnold can't wait to get that
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Speaker 2: ball out of it in twelve yards on third and nine,
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Speaker 2: they can't cover a guy a guy in the flat.
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Speaker 2: And then the last one they get another bunch, They shifted,
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Speaker 2: they get their communication going. Rams happened to be a
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Speaker 2: man and man on that particular one. The prior one
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Speaker 2: was his own. And then you've got Canine running an
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Speaker 2: out route and the guy in Man and Man is
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Speaker 2: coming from such depth that Canine is able to get
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Speaker 2: ten yards on third and ten. You're throwing a half
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Speaker 2: back in just a flip an out route. So and
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Speaker 2: there's more. Yeah, Clint Kubiak was white hot. Now, Chris
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Speaker 2: Sula's going for jobs and Clint Kubiak's going for jobs.
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Speaker 2: One looked like he was really focusing on the task
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Speaker 2: at hand with his team, and another his guys looked
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Speaker 2: like their coach was thinking more about trying to get
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Speaker 2: a head coaching job.
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Speaker 3: Now, I know that's not fair. That is not fair.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying how it looked because Clint Kubiak took
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Speaker 2: Chris Sula to the shed in his plate calling. He
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Speaker 2: was getting guys wide open everywhere.
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Speaker 4: You remember when we talked about the difference in this
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Speaker 4: Rams game in the last one when they gained in
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Speaker 4: thirty seven points in Seattle, was that they only had
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Speaker 4: four game days between games the last time and they
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Speaker 4: had eight this time. And we saw the kubi at
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Speaker 4: the touchdown pass that Hughes describing to Smith and Jigba
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Speaker 4: was something Kubiak had not shown. He put Smith and
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Speaker 4: Jigba in motion and actually had him set as kind
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Speaker 4: of a wing. And the way that he did we
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Speaker 4: I was talking about with Rashichi heat hasn't that big
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Speaker 4: plays down the pass game. That was a big play
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Speaker 4: down the pass game. He affected the defense by taking
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Speaker 4: two covers. That was one of them. Is supposed to
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Speaker 4: be in the corner of the ends of waiting on
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Speaker 4: Smith and Jigba. It ended up being because he was
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Speaker 4: pseudo out of the backfield. Nick Landman, the middle linebacker,
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Speaker 4: was the guy who was trying to chase Smith and Jigba.
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Speaker 4: You talk about scheming into a mismatch, and that's how
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Speaker 4: he got so wide open. It was they had all
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Speaker 4: kinds of new stuff that the rams hadn't seen. That
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Speaker 4: happened to do from the eight days update on Kobiac.
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Speaker 2: Well, the corner, the corner should hand that to the
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Speaker 2: safety in the corner. You can't ask Landman to cover
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Speaker 2: like that. But that's what I understand that you just
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Speaker 2: let him go. Landman acted like like like he wasn't
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Speaker 2: going to cover him and he wasn't you know in
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Speaker 2: that in that in that box four over three, the
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Speaker 2: corner should wait outside right, But because you shifted in
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Speaker 2: Jigba late into the backfield, and this is a touchdown pass,
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Speaker 2: very critical touchdown pass because he comes from the backfield. Now,
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Speaker 2: the defenses they're not used to seeing a wide receiver
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Speaker 2: type coming from the backfild.
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Speaker 3: So it was just it was.
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Speaker 2: Just Kubiak's instincts, like I can get him in this coverage.
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Speaker 2: I know how they're gonna pass things off and I
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Speaker 2: can get guys wide open.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: That game, That game may get Kubiak the head coaching job.
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Speaker 4: The Cardinals and the Raiders are waiting, and the Cardinals
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Speaker 4: and Raiders are going to interview him probably Saturday. The
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Speaker 4: Seahawks practice today and Friday and Saturday, and then they
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Speaker 4: leave Sunday for Xan Jose, and the NFL rules say
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Speaker 4: that the interviews have to stop by Sunday and can't
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Speaker 4: resume again until after the Super Bowl February ninth. So
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Speaker 4: he's gonna have two interviews with the two remaining vacancies,
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Speaker 4: and they are waiting. The Raiders and Cardinals have told
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Speaker 4: the candidates they've interviewed twice, the Davis Webb, the thirty
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Speaker 4: one year old quarterbacks coach for Denver, for instance, that
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Speaker 4: we're not we got one more candidate to interview, so
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Speaker 4: we can't close you on this job. Yet, they're waiting
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Speaker 4: and have been waiting on Kubiak. There's still all kinds
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Speaker 4: of questions about leadership of an entire team. How he
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Speaker 4: hasn't been in one place for more than two years,
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Speaker 4: since he was a three year defensive or offensive assistant
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Speaker 4: for Denver from twenty sixteen to eighteen. How he's had
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Speaker 4: only one season at the play calling responsibility to the Seahawks,
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Speaker 4: one season with the Saints, one season in twenty twenty
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Speaker 4: one with the Vikings. There's not a lot of longevity
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Speaker 4: and staying power of his track record. But now with
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Speaker 4: the run game going and Darnold the plan the way
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Speaker 4: he is and not turning the ball over in the
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Speaker 4: schemes that he's Kobx getting credit for, he may have
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Speaker 4: a head coaching job kind of out of nowhere, like
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Speaker 4: down the stretch, coming from the back of the pack.
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Speaker 1: He may have mentioned this, but is there any way
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Speaker 1: that they could hire him before the Super Bowl?
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Speaker 4: Is there a chance that they can't make They can't.
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Speaker 4: They cannot make an announcement.
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Speaker 3: They can't put Blane Kiffin.
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Speaker 4: Well, Lane Kiffin's rules apply to only Lank Kiffins. But
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Speaker 4: the NFL that had happened with they were announcing during
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl Week head coaching jobs, and the league got
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Speaker 4: upset that it was trumping the attention of the game itself,
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Speaker 4: so they have moratorium essentially on announcing coaching hires from
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Speaker 4: Sunday till the end of the game the following Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't it seem Greg, I mean, if you're a Betty Man,
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem more likely the kuldbe actually gonna get one
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Speaker 2: of those jobs. I mean, Brady was on the call
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Speaker 2: well and then the interview. Now he's going to turn around.
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Speaker 2: He he broadcasts the game, presumably if he's in charge
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Speaker 2: of the hiring, he's going to watch that tape just
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Speaker 2: like you know we did, and he's going to see
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Speaker 2: all of those those you know, the detail that allowed
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Speaker 2: all those open receivers to be running out there.
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Speaker 4: The question isn't I don't think the question isn't is
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Speaker 4: he going to get offered? A question is does he
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Speaker 4: want to take it? The Raiders have had seventeen head
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Speaker 4: coaches in the last like three years, it seems. And
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Speaker 4: the Cardinals are division rival who have a big, big
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Speaker 4: problem a quarterback in a contract and a leadership issue
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Speaker 4: in Kyler Murray. Right now, the Seahawks are going to
18:52
Speaker 4: make a play to keep him. I've been told that
18:53
Speaker 4: they're going to give him more money and maybe a
18:56
Speaker 4: promotion entitle to assistant head coach like they currently have
18:59
Speaker 4: Leslie Fraser as sloughted As and I'm not sure Fraser's
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Speaker 4: going to come back, especially if they win a Super Bowl,
19:04
Speaker 4: whether he run or running back at seventy years old
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Speaker 4: sixty seven, but they are going to try to keep them.
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Speaker 4: They don't want to break up a continuity of this
19:13
Speaker 4: offense after just one season and Darnold and all of that.
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Speaker 4: They don't want to bring somebody else in. Whether they
19:18
Speaker 4: would promote from within or not. I don't think it's
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Speaker 4: a FATA company, even if Tom Brady or the Cardinals
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Speaker 4: offer the job. Da Kobiek that he'll leave.
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Speaker 1: Greg Mell, Hugh Millan. It's our Thursday twelfth Man Roundtable.
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Speaker 1: We've got more time left until the top of the hour.
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Speaker 1: On the other side, we'll talk about some Seahawks defense,
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Speaker 1: Nick emon War's impact, Rake Wohlan. We'll discuss all as
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Speaker 1: much as we possibly humanly can here in this hour
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Speaker 4: I saw Taylor Dane. I saw Taylor Dane and Eisenhower
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Speaker 4: Hall at West Point in front of all cadets in
19:56
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety one. Wow, if you can if she was
19:59
Speaker 4: in a prime back then there's top Hits and all
20:02
Speaker 4: that stuff. Where does concert eff? We're all in these
20:05
Speaker 4: gray uniforms. It looked like Mandarian Chinese way back when
20:10
Speaker 4: that go up to the neck and we're it's supposed
20:12
Speaker 4: to be dancing and have a good time. There are
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Speaker 4: no civilians there. It was just like on a Thursday.
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Speaker 3: Anyway.
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Speaker 4: I digress. But as soon as you say Taylor Dane,
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Speaker 4: I had flashback.
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Speaker 1: I was actually really getting into that story. I was
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Speaker 1: wondering where this was gonna go? Yeah, yeah, why'd you
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Speaker 1: cut it short?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Why'd you cut it short? Not much?
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Speaker 4: Well, undergraduate cadet experience at a military academy. The story
20:32
Speaker 4: doesn't go much farther than that. That's pretty much it.
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Speaker 4: That was a highlight of the highlight of the semester.
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Speaker 4: We had Taylor Deane come in.
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Speaker 2: Is in all?
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Speaker 1: I say, get the whole gang back together. February twenty
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Speaker 1: sixth at the Orc of Brawl Room. Go see Taylor
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Speaker 1: Dane again. All those cadets all growed up. Be a
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Speaker 1: different experience for you this time, Greg, that.
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Speaker 4: Would be a different experience. That would be I don't
20:51
Speaker 4: even know where the brawler moves.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we are round tabling. We've got our
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Speaker 1: Seahawks inside of Greg Bell. We also have our QB
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Speaker 1: one you millon here, Seahawks getting ready for that Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: We're just ten sleeps away from Super Bowl sixty Seahawks
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Speaker 1: versus Patriots. We haven't talked to any Seahawks defense just yet.
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Speaker 3: Greg.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it took you a long time to come
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Speaker 1: around on this emon worry guy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know I was a skeptic, but.
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Speaker 1: Boy, he sure is getting some national love right now.
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Speaker 1: I mean Chris long Win as far as saying he's
21:23
Speaker 1: not only their best defender right now on his podcast,
21:26
Speaker 1: he's going to be their best defender for the next
21:28
Speaker 1: ten years. I mean, he has certainly gotten the attention
21:32
Speaker 1: of critics and analysts everywhere.
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Speaker 4: Where the hell they been, Like their nineteenth game, I mean,
21:39
Speaker 4: I just watched one Seahawk game. I told you back
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Speaker 4: in off season and in training camp that they were
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Speaker 4: going to give him all of this, and he's all
21:47
Speaker 4: that in a bag of chips. What his many great traits,
21:51
Speaker 4: Maybe his best one is his tackling. As soon as
21:54
Speaker 4: he gets to a player, he goes down and he's
21:56
Speaker 4: got the speed to chase down Poka Nakua in the flat.
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Speaker 4: He's got speed to chase down Justin Jefferson on deep
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Speaker 4: seam routes. McDonald is in boldened to try him to
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Speaker 4: do anything. Man coverage, blitzing linebackers, safety, defensive end. We've
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Speaker 4: talked about many times, but the rest of the national
22:15
Speaker 4: media is gonna figure out this week. They are a
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Speaker 4: nickel dime primarily team. No matter what the Patriots come
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Speaker 4: out in in the Super Bowl, they're gonna rin. They
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Speaker 4: could do Ramondre Stevenson thirty five times and he's still
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Speaker 4: gonna run nicol and dying because of Nick even Worry,
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Speaker 4: I still think Devin Witherspoon is the best player on
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Speaker 4: that team, and then he showed it at the end.
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Speaker 4: At the beginning, he had a very poor start to
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Speaker 4: that title NFC Title game, but board did he save
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Speaker 4: him at the end? McDonald said the breakup in the
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Speaker 4: end zone was maybe the best player in the team history.
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Speaker 4: Give him the stakes, but Nieman Worry gives McDonald the
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Speaker 4: ability to do everything counter to what tendencies are against
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Speaker 4: formations and personnelity offense. Emon Worry allows McDonald to dictate
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Speaker 4: what he and how he plays it, not the offense
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Speaker 4: dictating to the defense, which is the whole intent of
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Speaker 4: McDonald's defense. Yeah, they still gave up big yards against
23:07
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford, but if you take out Stafford and the
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Speaker 4: Rams and McVeigh, they've shut down pretty much everybody else,
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Speaker 4: with the exception of Tampa Bay scoring thirty eight when
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Speaker 4: four starters are missing, including Witherspoon and a banged up
23:19
Speaker 4: eat Nick emun Worry. Those two Emon Worry and Witherspoon
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Speaker 4: are what make the Seattle defense unique. I think it's
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Speaker 4: what's going to get him the Super Bowl and hosting
23:29
Speaker 4: a trophy in eleven or ten days because of those
23:33
Speaker 4: guys and what they can do. New England's going to
23:35
Speaker 4: try to do heavy, They're going to try to do
23:37
Speaker 4: tight ends, They're going to try to do things to
23:38
Speaker 4: take him out of Nickel and nine, and they're going
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Speaker 4: to realize that Seattle's not coming out of it because
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Speaker 4: of even Worry.
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Speaker 3: Huge number three.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it took you a long time to come around
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Speaker 1: on him too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I can remember the Kansas City preseason game
23:54
Speaker 2: when he was walked out. Seattle played man and man
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Speaker 2: and there was the receiver in the slot over by
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs bench, and I remember looking up the height
24:04
Speaker 2: and weight of that receiver in his forty time and
24:07
Speaker 2: all that he was like one hundred and seventy nine
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Speaker 2: pound little scap back. And I'm like, if they're going
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Speaker 2: to put the played man and man cover one and
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Speaker 2: put im and Worry there, that just shows what they
24:16
Speaker 2: think of his versatility. And of course he got hurt
24:19
Speaker 2: the first month, so we couldn't talk about him. Let's
24:21
Speaker 2: go go to the other other night, back to back place.
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Speaker 2: He takes on the block of the tight end. Cam
24:28
Speaker 2: Williams bounces out, he sheds the block and he gets
24:32
Speaker 2: and he accelerates for a no game. Then very next
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Speaker 2: play he's on the opposite slot. Seattle's playing cover one,
24:39
Speaker 2: that's man to man and he's covering Deavonte Adams. Matthew
24:44
Speaker 2: Stafford goes in, he sees the matchup. He says, well,
24:47
Speaker 2: of course I'm going to DeVante Adams, future Hall of Famer,
24:50
Speaker 2: possibly against a rookie. No, you had, you had even
24:55
Speaker 2: worry gloving him on an intermediate en route as if
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Speaker 2: he was lesser. Hayes uh that that was we're on
25:02
Speaker 2: back to back plays. Then in the second quarter he
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Speaker 2: has man and man on Pooka naku on A on
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Speaker 2: a second and five he covers him on an out route.
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Speaker 2: Then third and five he gets a pass breakup. Third
25:13
Speaker 2: and five running back is on a choice route. They're
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Speaker 2: pushing zone to the strong side. They're playing solo on
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Speaker 2: the back, which means he's got all kinds of space
25:23
Speaker 2: he has to cover. He's got to defend the inside
25:25
Speaker 2: texas route, the inbreaking route first, that's his first priority.
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Speaker 2: But the running back does an outbreaking route, him actually
25:34
Speaker 2: having had to defend the inside first, accelerate breaks on
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Speaker 2: the ball, gets another pass breakup. And oh, by the way,
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Speaker 2: on another time, those were back to back plays, and
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Speaker 2: then and then the last one, I'll mention there's a
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Speaker 2: man and man play where he's in the slot against
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Speaker 2: Pooka Nakula and Pooka Nicola has a slot fade that
25:52
Speaker 2: is arguably the toughest uh uh cover for any corner
25:58
Speaker 2: and they got emon worry on on Nikua, Like this
26:02
Speaker 2: guy's length is it's not fair this guy is.
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Speaker 3: The league is.
26:08
Speaker 2: Coming around to what a freak he is, how well
26:11
Speaker 2: coached he is. And I'll just say this, he was
26:13
Speaker 2: a thirty fifth in the pick in the draft. I
26:15
Speaker 2: spent a few days thinking about this because I don't
26:17
Speaker 2: want to just shoot from the hip on the radio.
26:20
Speaker 2: I think if they redid the draft now, I think
26:22
Speaker 2: it's a very good chance he's a top five pick
26:24
Speaker 2: in the draft. He's for sure a top you know, seven, eight, ten,
26:29
Speaker 2: There's no debate in my mind about that. But I
26:31
Speaker 2: think it's more probable than not he would be a
26:33
Speaker 2: top I've looked at all the other rookies. I think
26:35
Speaker 2: given what the freak that he is and how he produces,
26:39
Speaker 2: I think he would be a top five pick in
26:42
Speaker 2: the draft if you redid it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:44
Speaker 4: I mean we remember what we talked about John Schneider
26:46
Speaker 4: thinking he was going to be a first round pick
26:48
Speaker 4: and he was exploring trading back into.
26:50
Speaker 3: The first taking them at ten.
26:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did, and they Intel's told him that he
26:55
Speaker 4: would last till the top of the second round, which
26:56
Speaker 4: is why they waited those two back to back pass
26:59
Speaker 4: breakups you talked about. It was thirteen, ten, at the
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Speaker 4: time the Rams were leading, and the Rams could have
27:06
Speaker 4: had the ball back at the end of the first
27:08
Speaker 4: half if even Woorrey didn't make those pass breakups. Instead,
27:11
Speaker 4: they punted and the Seahawks got the chance for the
27:13
Speaker 4: two for one. They didn't get a to score at
27:15
Speaker 4: the end of the first half, but they did get
27:17
Speaker 4: a score coming out of halftime. It Mike McDonald said that.
27:20
Speaker 3: You saw the game of the half.
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Speaker 4: Yes they did, but I'm saying I'm sorry they did
27:25
Speaker 4: to take the lead, and then they did a score
27:27
Speaker 4: coming out a half time. They didn't get the two
27:29
Speaker 4: for one, they got it on the front side, not
27:30
Speaker 4: the bat they got yet. But McDonald after the game
27:34
Speaker 4: said the result of that game would not have been
27:35
Speaker 4: the same if Eman Worry hadn't made those two plays
27:38
Speaker 4: because he knew the importance of the Rams giving the
27:42
Speaker 4: ball up and the Seahawks scoring at the end of
27:43
Speaker 4: the half and not giving the Rams the opportunity to
27:46
Speaker 4: score again. And I noted at the time how big
27:49
Speaker 4: those plays were because it would keep the ball out
27:51
Speaker 4: of Stafford's hands for the rest of the half. And
27:54
Speaker 4: that's exactly how the game turned in Seattle's favorite from
27:57
Speaker 4: down three until four at halftime into second half, So yeah,
28:02
Speaker 4: he is really New England's gonna find out. I have
28:06
Speaker 4: a feeling New England's going to try to snatch Moule
28:08
Speaker 4: Seattle and try to get him out of it.
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Speaker 3: And they're gonna have around and find out is what
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Speaker 3: they're gonna do.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they are.
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Speaker 1: Greg mentioned Hugh the Witherspoon breakups Mike McDonald's praise, calling
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Speaker 1: him one of the biggest plays in the history of
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Speaker 1: Seahawks football. What did you make of the third and
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Speaker 1: fourth down plays by Spoon? I know he didn't have
28:30
Speaker 1: a great game, but man, did he rise to the occasion?
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Speaker 3: Well he did.
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Speaker 2: I mean they he had outside leverage on an inbreaking route.
28:38
Speaker 2: He just his his instincts had to snuff that out.
28:41
Speaker 2: But I think there's something that I think Seahawk fans
28:45
Speaker 2: need to know. I'm gonna try and convey. This is
28:48
Speaker 2: fourth and four, so this play is worth a little
28:51
Speaker 2: time here, and I'm.
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Speaker 4: Gonna talk to DeMarcus Lawrence today about this play because
28:55
Speaker 4: I want to find out from him.
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Speaker 2: A league please do because because in my career, the
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Speaker 2: most memorable play that I can remember coaches talking about
29:06
Speaker 2: it was when I was with the Rams. There was
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Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator named Ernie's Zmpz who had been the
29:11
Speaker 2: architect of the air Coriel. He comes up to the
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Speaker 2: Rams Bob, we're watching charger tape, and Ernie's zmpz he
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Speaker 2: shows a play. There was a play called three seven
29:19
Speaker 2: zero F shoot pump. There had to be the yad
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Speaker 2: Kellen Winslow on a on a tight end out and up,
29:25
Speaker 2: but there had to be somebody wide outside to hold
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Speaker 2: the corner. They happened to have put Charlie Joyner, if
29:32
Speaker 2: you remember him, I'm sorry, I'm trying to tell the
29:34
Speaker 2: story for people who don't know these names. Charlie Joyner
29:36
Speaker 2: was a all pro level receiver. They happened to happen
29:40
Speaker 2: in the backrod. His job was going to be to
29:42
Speaker 2: run a corner route. His job was going to be
29:45
Speaker 2: to run a corner route away from the the play,
29:48
Speaker 2: away from the out and up. But he saw that
29:51
Speaker 2: Gary Anderson, if you remember him, the USFL running. Gary
29:54
Speaker 2: Anderson ran in most in the wrong way and he
29:56
Speaker 2: wasn't there to hold the corner in the so Charlie
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Speaker 2: joys from the right when they snapped the ball. Instead
30:01
Speaker 2: of him running the corner route to his left. He
30:04
Speaker 2: sprinted out and he ran the wheel, knowing that somebody
30:09
Speaker 2: needed to be running the wheel. He ran the wheel
30:11
Speaker 2: that Gary Anderson should have been running. And Erdie Zambizi said,
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Speaker 2: this is the smartest football play I've ever seen. Now,
30:16
Speaker 2: Charlie Joyner was a longtime wide receiver coach, so it
30:19
Speaker 2: speaks to his IQ. Why do I tell that story.
30:22
Speaker 2: That's the highest IQ play that I've been aware of.
30:26
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Lawrence did not have coverage on that play. That
30:30
Speaker 2: was cover zero. And there's a concept called peeling, and
30:35
Speaker 2: Julian Love's responsibility on the edge of that defense is
30:39
Speaker 2: they basically say, Julian, you go get Matthew Stafford. The
30:42
Speaker 2: running back's probably gonna block, but if he releases outside,
30:46
Speaker 2: you've got a peel. You can't go to Matthew Stafford.
30:49
Speaker 2: You've got to cover him. So Julian Love comes in
30:52
Speaker 2: too hot.
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Speaker 3: It's like a.
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Speaker 2: Navy airplane flying landing on an aircraft carrier right in
31:00
Speaker 2: the wrong way, right right, Army cadet.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they screw that thing up all the time, don't they.
31:08
Speaker 2: Right, So, so it's like Julian's coming into hot DeMarcus Lawrence.
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Speaker 3: The tackle, the garden, the tackle squeezed. What is mark?
31:16
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Lawrence's responsibility is to rush the quarterback. He has
31:20
Speaker 2: this wide open the tackles the tackle who's over him
31:24
Speaker 2: because the center went the other way. DeMarcus Lawrence has
31:27
Speaker 2: a straight shot to the quarterback. But he senses that
31:31
Speaker 2: Julian came in too hot. So instead of having a clear.
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Speaker 4: Lane to this.
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Speaker 3: He's a defensive man.
31:36
Speaker 2: He's paid to get sacks and hits instead of him
31:39
Speaker 2: taking a wide open free sot at Stafford because the
31:42
Speaker 2: tackle reduced down he.
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Speaker 3: Had nobody was blocking him. Nobody was blocking him.
31:48
Speaker 2: He saw that the structure of the play was broken
31:52
Speaker 2: down because Julian was too hot, and he peeled away
31:55
Speaker 2: and he got in the throwing lane and Stafford is
31:58
Speaker 2: looking there, and I promise you, if Lawrence was coming,
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Speaker 2: Stafford would have just calmly just lobbed it over because
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Speaker 2: Julian took himself out of position because he came in
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Speaker 2: too hot. It was a remarkable play by a twelve
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Speaker 2: year veteran hunting to try and get in the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: The IQ that he displayed, I don't know. I took
32:17
Speaker 2: a long time to tell that story. I think it's
32:19
Speaker 2: worth it because it was fourth and four. That was
32:22
Speaker 2: freaking unbelievable, the play that he made.
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Speaker 3: So it wasn't Spoon, he was Lawrence, well, he was restrated.
32:31
Speaker 3: It was both.
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Speaker 4: He's so frustrated McVeigh that after the game, McVeigh brought
32:36
Speaker 4: attention to this, saying they busted the coverage. There's no
32:40
Speaker 4: way they had a design for Lawrence the defensive end
32:43
Speaker 4: to cover that, not giving any credit to the fact
32:46
Speaker 4: Lawrence knew exactly what he was doing. But as soon
32:49
Speaker 4: as that play happened, I said to myself, ha ha,
32:52
Speaker 4: Julian Love had just told four days ago, DeMarcus Lawrence
32:56
Speaker 4: has transformed our defense, and on that play is a
32:59
Speaker 4: perfect example of that. Stafford had nowhere else to go
33:02
Speaker 4: with the ball. Witherspoon told me that he had known
33:05
Speaker 4: that Ferguson had run a seven outbreaking route in the
33:08
Speaker 4: same situation in the red zone against him earlier, so
33:11
Speaker 4: he correctly assumed that they weren't going to try the
33:13
Speaker 4: seven again because he had taken that away, so they
33:15
Speaker 4: were going to try an inbreaking route, which is why
33:17
Speaker 4: he ran it for Ferguson and was actually inside of him,
33:20
Speaker 4: in front of him in a better position to catch
33:22
Speaker 4: the pass. None of that happens, and Stafford doesn't even
33:25
Speaker 4: look at Ferguson. If DeMarcus Lawrence doesn't drop into the
33:29
Speaker 4: coverage on Kyraen Williams. Kien Williams, the running back in
33:32
Speaker 4: the left flat, they were assuming a zero blitz. They
33:35
Speaker 4: actually had McVeigh trump the call. McVeigh beat McDonald on
33:40
Speaker 4: that call, and then Lawrence counted and beat McVeigh by
33:45
Speaker 4: doing what he did at the first what I get
33:47
Speaker 4: in the locker room today, the first guy I'm going
33:49
Speaker 4: to try to get to is DeMarcus Lawrence. I'll tell
33:51
Speaker 4: you what. Another thing about that guy is he's probably
33:54
Speaker 4: going to either one not make himself available because I
33:57
Speaker 4: know the intentions on his play, But two he's going
33:59
Speaker 4: to try to private say I was an accident. I
34:01
Speaker 4: didn't mean to do it. That's how he is, and
34:03
Speaker 4: we all know that he probably did do it on purpose.
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Speaker 3: Well, as it turned out.
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Speaker 2: Of the thirty four and ninety eight plays that have
34:09
Speaker 2: been run in the regular season and playoffs this year
34:12
Speaker 2: that was described, that's cover zero rush three that was
34:16
Speaker 2: done five times the entire year. One happened to have
34:20
Speaker 2: been Seattle against Jacksonville. Cooper Cup caught a touchdown for
34:23
Speaker 2: a cornerill. But the point is the rarity of what
34:27
Speaker 2: actually transpired once once it played out the way Lawrence
34:31
Speaker 2: altered his plays, It's absolutely incredible that he stopped a
34:38
Speaker 2: touchdown in the manner it would have been a walk in.
34:42
Speaker 2: It would have been a walk in if he put
34:43
Speaker 2: a job that he was supposed to do. He did
34:46
Speaker 2: a job that he wasn't supposed to do, and yet
34:50
Speaker 2: in this odd way we're describing he was supposed to do.
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Speaker 4: NFL Films had McDonald Mike on this and he said,
34:57
Speaker 4: as the play started, he is where's the He was
35:01
Speaker 4: panicked because he didn't see the Lawrence pass rushing and
35:04
Speaker 4: he actually uttered, where's the end? And then he's screaming
35:07
Speaker 4: and yelling because of the pass. Brico.
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Speaker 1: I'm the Lavabel, all right, Greg Bell, Hugh Millen. It
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Speaker 1: is our twelfth Man Roundtable every Thursday. More coming your
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Speaker 1: way on the other side on Sports Radio ninety three
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Speaker 1: point three KJRFM. One thing that I did not bring
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Speaker 1: up when it comes to Nick emon Worry in our
35:22
Speaker 1: last segment. My favorite play is when he got in
35:25
Speaker 1: Reek Woln' squirrill, the rookie muscling up over there on
35:29
Speaker 1: the sidelines. Any fallout from that greg at all, I
35:32
Speaker 1: mean anything that spilled over into the locker room, into
35:36
Speaker 1: the post game, any sort of message that Reek Wolan
35:39
Speaker 1: will be given a stern reminder about conduct and not
35:43
Speaker 1: costing the team fifteen yards.
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Speaker 4: No spillover because they won. Yeah, had they lost, he
35:49
Speaker 4: would have been the goat of Seattle sports history. I
35:51
Speaker 4: can't think of a more I can't think of one
35:55
Speaker 4: that would have been a bigger goat move than that
35:57
Speaker 4: had they lost that game. But they have talked to
36:00
Speaker 4: him and reminded him about his emotions don't mean self
36:04
Speaker 4: serving and to help the team. Rather, the league is
36:07
Speaker 4: pretty leaning in on the taunting role. As long as
36:09
Speaker 4: you don't direct it at an opponent, they let you
36:12
Speaker 4: do anything right. You could pandomime, you can dance, you
36:14
Speaker 4: can do all kinds of stuff as long as you
36:16
Speaker 4: turn away from an opponent. And that official in that moment,
36:19
Speaker 4: you could see him from the press box telling him
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Speaker 4: three or four times not to just walk away, and instead,
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Speaker 4: Woeen paraded down the length of the sideline, getting into
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Speaker 4: the Rams' faces, So that was an obvious one. They'll
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Speaker 4: tell him again and he admitted it. To his credit,
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Speaker 4: as I mentioned on Monday, that he stood in front
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Speaker 4: of us and admitted all that. But yeah, because they won,
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Speaker 4: all is well and everything. After the game, doctor Emon
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Speaker 4: worry and he said, oh, we're brotherhood and compete and
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Speaker 4: that's how he's my big brother. But that would have
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Speaker 4: gone a lot differently had they lost.
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Speaker 1: Well, he's got dragged through the mudd a little bit
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Speaker 1: this week, Hugh. But how good is Rieq Willen playing
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Speaker 1: football right now?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think lost in all of that, and we
36:58
Speaker 2: can all agree that that was a selfish, idiotic move
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Speaker 2: what he did. We'll have a disagreement on how the
37:05
Speaker 2: officials should have handled it. But I think lost in
37:07
Speaker 2: the play was that was cover one. He covered Pooka
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Speaker 2: Nakula on an intermediate crossing route. He showed his speed
37:17
Speaker 2: and caught and really could have intercepted that ball if
37:21
Speaker 2: not for a great play by Nicoula. But I think,
37:24
Speaker 2: I think, I think Seaak fans the part that I
37:26
Speaker 2: can relate is try to say, well, what are the
37:30
Speaker 2: Seaak coaches thinking? If you look at the sixteen plays
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Speaker 2: that Seattle played man to man. Now they weren't. Nicole
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Speaker 2: wasn't always on the field, and and and Riek Wollan
37:41
Speaker 2: wasn't always on the field because sometimes they were playing
37:44
Speaker 2: their regular nickel. But the majority of the time when
37:47
Speaker 2: they went man to man, the guy that was covering
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Speaker 2: pooka nikola was not Devin Witherspoon, it was Rieke Woollan.
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Speaker 2: And on the third and four play that needed the
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Speaker 2: fourth and four that we just spent that time talking
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Speaker 2: about the third and four and the fourth and four,
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Speaker 2: these these vital plays. Third and four, they played man
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Speaker 2: to man, and Witherspoon was covering number fifteen. What's his name, Mumsfield, Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 3: Nobody knows.
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Speaker 2: So Witherspoon, the pro bowler was one man over covering
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Speaker 2: number fifteen, and it was Reek Woolan in the slot
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Speaker 2: covering Pooka nakula. And and that was from throughout the game.
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Speaker 2: So there's a all you have to do is put
38:29
Speaker 2: on the tape. Mike McDonald thinks it's a better matchup
38:32
Speaker 2: Reek Woollen on Pooka nkula, and you go back to
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Speaker 2: the play that he made against Juwan Jennings. You're running
38:40
Speaker 2: from one sideline you know, and and put on the
38:42
Speaker 2: turbo button, grabbed Jennings and threw him down for no
38:46
Speaker 2: game like He's made plays where his size and his
38:50
Speaker 2: acceleration where he can catch up on crossing routes is
38:55
Speaker 2: next level stuff. And so I think that's the that's
38:59
Speaker 2: what seat. Wait when you're you know, when fans go,
39:01
Speaker 2: get him out of there, BENCHIM. I don't want to
39:03
Speaker 2: see him in the super Bowl. Some of these things,
39:05
Speaker 2: I don't. I know most fans aren't aren't thinking that way,
39:07
Speaker 2: but but I'm sure the majority fans are going, well,
39:10
Speaker 2: how do you process this guy? Well, one part of
39:12
Speaker 2: the calculus is they think he's a really good cover corner.
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Speaker 3: He would say after that, what's that?
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Speaker 4: He would have an interception on a deep seam route
39:25
Speaker 4: that Stafford overthrew by four yards if he hadn't overthrown it.
39:28
Speaker 4: Whether Wooland was in a better I think it was
39:30
Speaker 4: against Adams that was in a better position in the
39:33
Speaker 4: third quarter, going his fourth quarter early going right left
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Speaker 4: and right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, he's uh, you know, he's got the lank.
39:41
Speaker 4: He's played himself back into a contract for next year.
39:43
Speaker 4: We couldn't have said that in October. I think the
39:46
Speaker 4: Seahawks they have enough cap space to bring a lot
39:48
Speaker 4: of their guys back, and I think, yeah, that's true too.
39:52
Speaker 4: But I think that, yeah, I think they played themselves
39:55
Speaker 4: into Seattle offering them.
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Speaker 2: But he's going to play a prominent role in the
39:58
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, you know where wherever they match him up,
40:01
Speaker 2: you know, you know here Nikouas is you know, right now,
40:05
Speaker 2: in many people's eyes, are the best receiver in the world.
40:07
Speaker 2: Now we'll say it's js N. But the point is
40:10
Speaker 2: when the game was most important, after the tawning play,
40:13
Speaker 2: he broke up a post route deep down the field,
40:16
Speaker 2: so you know his head was into it. Now, the
40:18
Speaker 2: very next play, the stutter go McDonald came out and said,
40:23
Speaker 2: that's on me. I got to put a safety at
40:25
Speaker 2: the top. I know his head wasn't in a good place.
40:27
Speaker 2: He gets beat for a touchdown. Whether that's Mike mcconough's
40:30
Speaker 2: covering for his player, who knows. I think there's truth
40:32
Speaker 2: to what he said. But at any event, in critical junctures,
40:36
Speaker 2: when it's man to man, they're putting twenty seven on twelve,
40:41
Speaker 2: and I think that's.
40:42
Speaker 3: Important to know.
40:43
Speaker 4: Well.
40:43
Speaker 1: Next week, next roundtable from Santa Clara side of Super
40:47
Speaker 1: Bowl sixty. I hope that we're all in the same
40:50
Speaker 1: room together. That'd be a lot of fun. I don't
40:53
Speaker 1: know if you've got the grocery list, Hugh, I'm in
40:56
Speaker 1: charge of cocaine and Frido's.
40:58
Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, matches for Bucky after he gets out of.
41:04
Speaker 3: The John toilet. That's a good idea. Yeah, Yeah, don't
41:08
Speaker 3: forget the matches.
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Speaker 1: Somebody who better not forget the matches?
41:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, matches that don't do. Yeah.
41:13
Speaker 4: Let me let me say, we don't have predictions this week,
41:15
Speaker 4: but let me tell Seahawks fans what we got. The
41:18
Speaker 4: Seahawks are leaving Sunday afternoon. They're going to land in
41:21
Speaker 4: San Jose at five o'clock. They're going to stay at
41:22
Speaker 4: the San Jose Marriott, right next to the Convention Center.
41:24
Speaker 4: Are going to be there all week. They're gonna practice
41:26
Speaker 4: at San Jose State, University of the Patriots or at Stanford.
41:29
Speaker 4: The teams are separate from where you guys are going
41:31
Speaker 4: to be a media role. I'm gonna be with the
41:33
Speaker 4: team in San Jose. But none of.
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Speaker 3: Them miss out on the matches.
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Speaker 4: Yeah apparently, Yeah, but but that it's a different kind
41:41
Speaker 4: of Super Bowl and that there're two different, distinctly different.
41:43
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like an hour and a half drive
41:45
Speaker 4: with traffic down from San Francisco where the Seahawks are
41:47
Speaker 4: gonna be in San Jose. But they'll have a media
41:49
Speaker 4: event on Monday night at the Convention Center, the opening
41:52
Speaker 4: night Shenanigans, and then Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday is media availabilities
41:57
Speaker 4: with the team, and then nothing from Friday and Saturday
42:00
Speaker 4: until the game. So that's the way it lays out.
42:02
Speaker 4: I'm going to have a Seahawks playoff previews show again
42:05
Speaker 4: from the station on Friday night seven and nine, and
42:08
Speaker 4: I'm going to do it again from San Francisco next
42:11
Speaker 4: Friday night.
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Speaker 3: Excellent.
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Speaker 1: All right, all right, gentlemen, look forward to seeing you
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Speaker 1: next week. Thank you very much, appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: Twelfth Man Roundtable comes to a close here on Chucking
42:22
Speaker 1: Buck in the Morning for another week.
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Speaker 3: Mike Sandal's going to join us at nine thirty. We're
42:25
Speaker 3: probably only.
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Speaker 1: Going to talk about Belichick at nine thirty with Mike,
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Speaker 1: but we'll talk more about Super Bowl sixty next. Sports
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