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Bodybuilding is Not Meant to be Inclusive | Show Recaps + Previews · Stage Talk Podcast

• 0:01
  unknown: It is.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_03: We were just talking for 20 minutes before recording this, so we're pretty much done already.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: I know we've we've done our own podcast separately because we're like freaking out over the list and being like, it's a game of checkers at this point.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like literally.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm so excited to like see how the final list falls, if I'm honest.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_03: What we were talking about, which we'll get into, is how like when you look at Sharon and Anna and Emily and Irene, all of them are on the cusp of dropping out, but they're all also still competing the next two weekends.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like, who's gonna hop who?
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_03: Is someone gonna come into the list and knock someone out?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like everybody at like 19 plus is very safe.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I don't see anyone getting five points plus someone coming in and knocking people out over two weekends, but that 14 to 17, maybe 18 range is is tight right now.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's yeah, not Kerrigan having literally almost the top amount of points.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's actually she probably will have the most uh amount of points if she's got one more show.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: She's still doing a show, so that's so cool.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Very, very, very cool that like she's been a fighter this whole year.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: How many shows has she done so far?
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, if you count her getting that quick second place after the Olympia last year, then nine.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_03: Because she went to Mexico when it was still in this qualification year and got second, which was why it was really cool that it was like a rematch between her and Cass again, because that's who she got second to last year.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's cool.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: So she got second there, came out and got um, we actually broke it down the other day.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: She has four set she has a win, four seconds, two thirds, and two fifths.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Hold up.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: One thing I do also actually want to shout out to people because I just found out about it this week, is BTS Insights.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen the app?
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: So cool.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, it's the coolest thing.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I just realized that the Olympia, I love like numbers and like lining things up.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: The Olympia is gonna be my 30th show.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Pro show.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's I love but I love that that's such a round number.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a random number, but 30th pro show.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um but you can go on if you download BTS Insights, you can go on the app, search any name, and it's all there.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's all linked to the um, it's all linked to like the each show is linked to what's it called, NPC News Online.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: So you can have a look at the photos straight away from there.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just didn't think I didn't even think of having something like this about, but it just makes it so easy for like each competitor to be able to see everything.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: So cool.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: So cool.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, I liked it a lot.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: I I've actually been messaging, I don't know if Suki runs the Instagram page or not, but they post these, they post the insights like this, guys.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Every show now.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: And I've I've been trying to help like update it a little bit because like some of them are off a little bit.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like they didn't, um, when Jess did Atlanta, I think it was Atlanta, they didn't put that she had any wins in her win column and she she won a show.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: She wants to win.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: So um I just there's a couple little updates in there that they need to be more on top of, but regardless, it's still extremely cool.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like I like how this layout looks.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's really, really like cool to kind of see it like this.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, yeah, it's sick.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Very, very cool.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_03: Speaking of, did you see the the Alessias came up?
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_03: Her like 94th show.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: I not 94th?
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: 94th.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: It was insane.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's insane.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, holy shit, that is some passion right there.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is that is crazy.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what was it?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, beyond the stage for the NPC Worldwide Russia Pro this weekend.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_03: She's done 93 shows.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_03: This will be her 94th.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and four wins, 12 seconds, and 12 thirds.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's a that's a hell of a lot of top threes.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_03: That's a bad, that's a good ass career.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's really good.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I love it.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: You've even got your Instagram link to it as well.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, you can literally have a look at like competitors from a show day, and all your Instagrams are like, well, most Instagrams are on there, which is just so like I just think that's so cool, if I'm honest.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so it's just so crazy to be seeing that number.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like looking at everyone next to her, it's 93, 2, 3, 7, 5.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, crazy.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, crazy.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: So, but no, I I love this.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I definitely, if you guys haven't already, definitely download this because it's just such a it's so fun to just like look at.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: And do you know what I was thinking the other day?
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: In the next like three weeks or so, we're gonna be doing.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think we what should we should do is like what I did last year and what you did last year, go through every single competitor of what who's qualified for the Olympia.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: And we could do one for bikini, one for Fit Model at some point, because Fit Model's not actually that big.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, and we can break down what win they had and you know where they're from, all those types of things.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's nice to know the competitors, and I think that's one thing that we don't always get to see is like the competitor, like because there's so many in bikini, sometimes not everyone knows, everyone has their favorites, but like there's so many people from different countries coming, which is really, really cool.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, um, but yeah, that'd be fun.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was telling Corey as well that we're fucking back.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're back.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: We had a little bit of a rough, rough time in prep in the trenches a little bit the last couple of weeks, which I think is really important to kind of like say, because I think sometimes people think, oh, you know, it's very easy.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Also, last prep was super smooth, everything was going very, very well, and it has been going well like now, but body's just been slow a little bit slower.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's that's okay, but we pushed it a little bit harder, you know.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Jamie, I'm ready to drop the hammer, like hard, like let's take all carbs away, let's do this.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, hold up, like slow down, like you're okay.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let the body just respond.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_03: You're good.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna be good.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: But this is what happens in the mind of a competitor when you feel like somewhat behind, you're like, right, let's throw fucking everything at it.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why you have a coach because you're like, they they know what they need to do.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, this I just did check-ins this morning and we're back.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: We're fucking back.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, I'm very happy.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's more so a case of like, don't let like one week or even one day of like not it's not even a bad, bad prep because it's not like those kind of times of doubt like get you down or stop you from doing the hard work.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: I literally just put a YouTube out about it.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was kind of skeptical to do that because I feel like sometimes it's it's I don't always like showing the downs because I don't want to be like negative, but I also it's realistic because it's not always gonna be highs to a prep and stuff like that.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and a lot of people were like, fuck me, this is relatable.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, great, so that's fine that people relate to that, you know.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, um, but do you have do you have any people, I guess, that kind of have I guess doubts, but like everyone is always gonna have down days, but with like training and stuff, because I get a lot of posing clients, yeah.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, a big a big thing to navigate in the training sector is people getting in their head because weights start to come down as you get closer to a show.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're not hitting those PRs, you're you get fatigued a little bit quicker, and being able to navigate that with each individual is is huge because it's not just a mental game, it legitimately is a physical game too, because if you don't navigate it properly, you're not gonna have maximum muscle retention, you're gonna cause unnecessary inflammation.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: So you need to know when you're when you can scale back, when you can pull back on what specific exercises, what days of the week it's appropriate.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: So there's definitely a there's definitely a mentally and physical game there with that.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've definitely seen a little bit of my even my training, it's just gotten harder as now we've kind of gotten leaner over the last kind of like week or so.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: You can fit everything feels harder.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: So motivation-wise isn't always gonna be there during training and stuff, but you just gotta for me, it's like you just gotta keep ticking the boxes regardless and just keep doing all these things because it easily could have been like, oh, I'm not seeing results.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: And that was one thing I did actually mention.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, it's funny how last prep it was very smooth, very easy.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was seeing results basically every week.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: So motivation was always super high, right?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then this week we've been a bit stagnant, not seen as many frequent changes.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: So then you don't feel as motivated in training or posing or anything, and you realize like how much sometimes your prep depends on motivation from seeing results, not from just doing the thing.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I very much had that like realization this week of like, no, Phoebe, you've just got to keep doing the thing and allow that to be your motivation of being consistent versus it just coming from seeing results, which is hard, which is hard to do, but it's easy when the results are coming in and you're like, Yeah, this is great, this is easy.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we're good.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: We're good.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: So good to go.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um what are we six weeks out?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: Six weeks, well, five and a half weeks out.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in Wednesday right now, so you're you're still on Tuesday.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's Tuesday night, yeah.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, but yeah, bikini's on Friday.
• 9:30
  unknown: No.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's on Friday or Saturday.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's on Saturday.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm not sure if there were a bunch of changes this year, so I couldn't keep up.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like they moved Classic a day.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_03: I think they moved 212 over.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't see who all got moved, so yeah.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think Fit Model and Bikini are on the same day.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think so because Fit Model run Fit Model does pre-judging and finals back to back.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's gonna be fun because I'm actually gonna watch that.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: So like I can actually watch that and like sit there and be like, you know, take it all in and stuff, especially for the first one.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: So that's gonna be really, really cool.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, or I might just stay backstage and just watch from backstage.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: That would be fun.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: So um, okay, should we do assessments or did you want to do skip assessments this week?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_03: We got questions and we have a lot of shows that happen this weekend.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: So we do.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to get into questions first?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: We'll do a couple of questions and then go into the shows.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, do a couple questions, shows, then maybe a couple more.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: So I sent you the ones that I got.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you said um, okay.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Do you keep oh do you both keep track of your posing and training clients' wins for the year?
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: I know you do.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: I do.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't know the the total number.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like, like if I were if someone was like, yeah, how many in the 2026 Olympia year?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: I don't have that.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_03: I just keep track of like my total.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like every week I have a total, and I'm like, oh, two pro wins this weekend and tally up the two.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I do know offhand, like this year's I have 13 people qualify for the Olympia right now.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: So that's what I'm saying.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I got 13 in the Olympia, and hopefully, um, that's not counting Emily, who's on the cusp of the qualification right now.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: She's in, but not counting her into like not getting ahead of myself.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: Just so she will be 14.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then Kristen hopefully winning this weekend in Fit Model, um, will make it 15.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that that's all that I have still running.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, there's a cup, there's a there's a Fit Model pro show on the cutoff date too.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_03: At the Gold's Gym Classic, I think, has Fit Model.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I've been.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's a huge show.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Huge show.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: That show was, so I'm definitely looking at doing that show next year.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I do keep track, but like again, I've just been there's so because I pose so many girls, like I currently have 160 clients, and I I can't keep a handle of all of them.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then also all the other girls as well that are part of the team and stuff like that.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I do love like when I get when people tag me on Instagram, I keep up, you know, updated through the app and stuff like that.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: So when people get a win, I'm like, oh my god, amazing, so proud of you, blah blah blah.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: But they just don't stay in my head for the whole time.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: But I am super proud of like all of my girls like that.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like even though I don't keep a tally, like I still I still care, you know.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: So so no, um, no, I I I do I do.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then other another question.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to answer this one now?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to answer it after?
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Which I don't know what you meant by this, but you said what is the most controversial thought or take?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you mean in bikini or like I'm assuming they mean in bodybuilding?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I'm assuming they mean.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like something in fitness that's controversial, where if you said it, people would be like, Oh, I don't know about that.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought about that, and I was like, I don't know if I have a controversial take.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's come back to that one because I actually don't know.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not sure.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it's that controversial.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think Fit Model is gonna take over as the most popular women's division in the next two years.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah, that's not controversial.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with that.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's controversial, I think it's just trending that way.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: Look at look at the fucking Fit Model list this weekend.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_03: There's 45 pro names I don't even know on there.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like crazy.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so actually crazy.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I feel like yeah, I feel like that's a very true statement, and I know a lot of people are gonna get butthurt about that, but like, no, I I agree with it completely.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um okay, let's have a look at all the lists, all the things.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you know what?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_03: I stopped tracking this year because I got pissed that it didn't happen at USA's.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: I this year specifically, first year this has happened, and I wanted to be the only person that has ever done this in history.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: Every single show since in in this qualification year.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: So since the Ben Wheater, yeah, uh NP NPC Nationals in December, the Arnold Amateur, Junior USAs, Junior Nationals, and Universe, I had an overall pro card in every single one.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: Not just like a pro card, but an overall pro card.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like I won the overall wellness, fit model, bikini, and figure across in one in each of those.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_03: And then USAs came and I didn't get one.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_03: I got four pro cards that weekend, but I didn't get the overall one.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, fuck, it's the first one all year.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're like, damn it, the first one.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's not a bad thing that was.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: Hoping to pick that streak back up at North Americans, but yeah, it was a great run.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was really cool.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_03: But it's it's one of those things where like I didn't even realize it was happening until like the third overall, and I was like, oh shit, let's keep this running.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, fuck, that's crap bro.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty impressive, though.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: But that's always cool, that's cool that like those things happen.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: I always love those like stats like that.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: First of all, top right, right there, Nashville fit show, fit model.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_03: That was the most impressive, that was one of the most impressive fit model topics.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: Faith finally got it.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: I know Faith finally fucking got it.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Finally, oh my god, I'm so happy for her.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: But also, like Kristen, this she Kristen's right there.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: She's gonna be very good.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: She looks incredible.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: I hope she's doing another show so she can get qualified because she's competing this weekend.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, perfect.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: She looks incredible.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um she's amazing.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Felicia, I think, is the one that just turned pro this year, um, like a couple months ago.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's um uh Paul's client, I think.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's really good too.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: She looked very good.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: She's competing in Asia this weekend, is she not?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: Is she?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: Is she?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: That's a trip in Nashville and then going all the way to Asia.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I saw I saw on the Asia show because I was looking.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: There's someone from the US.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, no, she's Alicia.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Alicia Young.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not too sure who that is.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who that is.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, never mind, she's not, she's really not.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um so let's break down this weekend.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Let's start with Mexico that Mexico.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: So Kerrigan and Cass were one point apart, which is pretty, pretty crazy.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: They did exactly what they did at last year's Mexico Pro show with the two of them.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: They called out just the two of them at the very end.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, that's crazy.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's when I knew I I took a little breath of relief um when because they they had the top four as the final call out of pre-judging, and they moved them all over the place.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_03: Kerrigan and Cass held center for 90% of it, and then Roxanna got moved in at one point, Brie got moved in at one point, and then they ended it.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, okay, I think that Bree and Roxanna just never stood against each other in that whole lineup.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: So they wanted them next to each other so they can see who's third and fourth, and then go about their way.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: But you didn't know.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: And then when it got to finals and Bree and Roxanna got their own two call out, I was like, okay, that's third and fourth.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Because Kerrigan and Kerrigan and Cass still hadn't been called out yet.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: So I was like, they're waiting to bring out one and two.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: So that was a breath of relief.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_03: And then could have gone either way there, honestly.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like it really, the one-point difference, right?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: So that was one of those where this was a very, very good front pose for Kerrigan.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we'll get to the the Texas photos in a second, but um, they kind of purposely had to come in a little bit harder in Texas, which doesn't help her look.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, yeah, she did two this weekend, didn't she?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, What are you talking about, Texas?
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: They kind of had to purposely come in a little harder in Texas because with her physique being more compact, holding bot like holding muscle and body fat in different areas when you're that short.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, if he if James had like loaded her to be that softer look they want Friday, she probably would have spilled by Sunday because she would have had to hold that for two more days, um, including a flight, not being able to train in between, like it would have been a mess.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: So came in a little harder, still got top five at Texas, and then we knew it was gonna be on in Mexico.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: When she got to Mexico the next day, took a nap and woke up.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, holy shit, this is the best you've ever looked.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: This is crazy.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: So that's so cool.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I I gotta point out I love that she's she wears her her bangs like still, and and that's just her, and I love it because like it just it just looks like her, like it's just nice to kind of see her wear her hair, her style and stuff like that.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: I want to point out too this Roxana girl.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even really know she's been the Olympia before.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even know who she was.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: She shocked me, she looked very good.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_03: She's very good.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: She's won a few pro shows as well.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she's um she in back in 2024, three, four?
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's done quite a few shows.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: And she's doing San Diego this weekend.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: She's definitely gonna be a front runner there.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: She's she's very good.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: She's definitely improved since the last time she stepped on the Olympia.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: She stepped on to Olympia 2023.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Same as same as me, I think, the last time she steps on stage.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because she's not posted anything since then, but she's got good glutes, like round glutes.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: And a very tight waist in her front pose.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm excited to see her again this weekend.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: This weekend and say we'll get to it, but this weekend in San Diego is a very like trying to qualify for like four different people that are all right outside the top 25.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: So this was Brie's gonna be a good best look.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: Brie looked good too.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: I really liked her front pose here.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Front pose is her best front pose she's done for sure.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: Really damn good, really damn good.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, very, very good shape all around, super, super tight.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then back pose.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think that Brie got to a point now where it's like she's holding so well that like in in Florida, I thought it was her best back pose, but almost on the slightly overly conditioned side.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like I saw a lot of hamstring, um, a little bit adductor, but it made her tie-ins come out a bit more.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: But here, I think it was the best mesh of everything.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: I thought this was a very good look for her.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: This looks really good.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Kerrigan, Kerrigan and Cass, they match each other very, very well.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um this is the fifth or sixth show in a row where Kerrigan has been told that her back pose will be top 15 at the Olympia.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: And if her front pose is nailed there, then hope for very good things.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: But her back pose looks her back pose looks fucking nuts here.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like it just stands out, right?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: When you look at the back poses, that's what stands out.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very much so.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, one point difference between them two, which is really, really, really good, honestly.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, really fucking cool.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: That she's she's really built her way up this whole season and she's only gotten better every show she's done, which is exactly what you want it to be ultimately, and that's why she's doing so many shows because she's like, I'm running it to get all this feedback and information for the Olympia and just to show up and show out, you know.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: John, I know you're listening, John.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: If Kerrigan doesn't get breakout athlete of the year, I don't know what the fuck you're doing.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, that's so funny.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: She's gotten one top five in her career before this year, and now she has not been out of it.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's so crazy.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Where's the is this Houston?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Texas, sorry.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Texas, yeah.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: Very good.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: Jordan looked amazing, and uh Patricia looked amazing.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: That was Apple, like I don't even want to say apples to oranges, they have a very similar front pose, but yeah.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: Who are you gonna give it to?
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I didn't know watching, um, watching live and what getting video and stuff of it.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: They're that was the two of them separated themselves from the pack very, very well.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: They looked insane.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: They looked insane.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: You can see that Jordan's just a little dent, like denser than British.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're are they the same the similar-ish height?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: I've never met Patricia before.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think she's I think she's shorter, but um she looks like they look in like similar in height, but like build-wise, like they've both got that tiny way.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like a you know, nice V-tapper shoulder, not capped, but obviously nice amount of like dealt.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and yeah, I feel like I I think when I saw the back pose, so when I saw the back pose on video, I feel like Patricia had, I think, more projection.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: But now I see the video uh the photos, I think that Jordan looks Jordan looks better because I thought that Patricia looked better.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: I think Patricia might have been a little bit more um conditioned.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: And so when we saw it like live and were watching them like walk to the back, I thought I was leaning towards her, but then when you look at just the mandatory back pose by itself, yeah, I think it's Jordan.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and this is why it's important, and this is why it's only it only matters what the judges say because they see it from this view.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because we were both like, oh my god, is Patricia gonna beat Jordan?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh like for this one because she looks really, really good on like you know, there were some side shots that we saw, there were a few videos from like BTS and stuff that we saw, and I was like, She's giving Jordan a run for her money, and then now seeing this, I'm like, oh yeah, Jordan's definitely the clear winner.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, in terms of balance and stuff like that, just um what it looks like.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: But this is a very, very good look from Patricia for sure.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Tori came back.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um Tori looked good.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in terms of how she looked.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think she when was the last what was her previous show?
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Was it Texas?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Was that her last show?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember which one it was.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um no, she did uh she did Chicago, and I can't remember what she's done in between them.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: Was it Tampa?
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Tampa.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think she got sixth or seventh.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think she got seventh at Tampa, so she improved here, which was really cool to see.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah, this is a good show.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: Texas is just a badass show in general.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: Every every single division, like such a good show.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: And then Misty, the two-time, she wins fit model, back-to-back weekends.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's absolutely killing it now, like absolutely killing it.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: She's huge, too.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like two completely different panels, and they give her the win back to back.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that that's that's gonna be really cool going her into the Olympia and stuff.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Is she doing anything other?
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is she doing it?
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: She's done to Olympia.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's cool.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a really good show, really good Texas show.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I definitely want to go because I've done Texas.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: When did I do Texas?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: 2022, and I haven't been back since, and I want to do it again.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like, so Texas puts on great shows in general.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, such good shows.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_03: You have Freddie and Sheila putting on shows there, you have Bernadette putting on shows there.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: They're they're amazing promotions.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: So is it was it yeah, Nashville?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Nashville.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Then you've got Nashville, very good.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like I love the I love the um there's your rookie of the year, John.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: She's she's absolutely smashed it.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she is this, and you said this is her break, her first season, her first pro season?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: First season.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: She got fourth in her pro debut at Toronto.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then we went and got um fuck uh fourth again.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: No, third.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: Third after Ashley and Jess at Vancouver, and then one here.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: So fifth, third, first.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Damn.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: And her back pose is back pose is amazing, really good.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, it's balance.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, I think Britney has a very like very good glutes, like almost a little overpowering, like a little.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I think Emily editor out here because Emily's more balanced, whereas Britney is more glutes, and then the front pose, Emily has a stunning, and Emily has a stunning front pose.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just it's one of those where it's just like she sits into it so naturally, nothing is stiff in yeah.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: But this was a good show in general.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Irene did really well.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: Irene looked really, really good.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: Meg's back in the top five again.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which is cool.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: And Meg's doing another show as well after this, isn't she?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: She's doing Arizona this weekend, yeah.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you want to see.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we want to see.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's smooth density.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: On a natty, like like that's actually why she looks really, really, really good.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I feel like this this is again, this is exactly what you want to like see.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's like people, I like people competing before the Olympia.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's really exciting because then we see like all the different kind of like physiques that are gonna come from from it and what's going into the Olympia.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah, that's what it's like.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I think I don't know her name, I think it was her debut, fourth place.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Rihannen.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: She won't be good.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she won Junior Nats last year.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't think that she has I think this was her.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: The name rings a bell.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: The name rings a bell because oh yeah, Jane, uh James.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was it.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: Junior Nats last year, yeah.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: And then I I don't think she's competed since, but I don't like follow her or know her, but I just don't think I've seen her.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: And this if this was her pro debut, I mean fourth place in a in a good light.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: It looks like it looks like it.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: That looks like that was the last time she competed.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: She might have, I don't, I think she must have done, um, I don't know why it's paused.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: She must have done the show.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Pro show after?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, at Junior Nats.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_03: She did the pro show after after Junior Nats.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: I think she did the pro show that day, if you want to call that the pro debut, but yeah.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: So then this is the yeah, she just made great improvements, really good improvements.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: So good top six, very good top six.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then we had is this China.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: This is one of the most crazy front pose I've seen in my life.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: And this is my I know it's not full-on bikini criteria because it's a little dense up top, a little broad, but it's cool to look at.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like that S-curve in taper in the like the crazy upper glute sweep and like how good her shoulders are.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's a very aesthetically pleasing front pose.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, she won, so it was best that day, so it's something in line with criteria, but 100%.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I think also like we this is what we were discussing.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually so shocked that she's not doing the Asia show that's happening this weekend.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because she's got the five points and has a win.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all she has to do is go in and get second place.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: She doesn't even need to win.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: So crazy.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: I say all she has to do, like it's easy to get second place.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: But when you're coming off a win, when you're when you're coming off a win, you got momentum.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: So and she could win and then be off the and just be like straight up into the qualification.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, but then we've got Natalia, who she is doing this weekend show, I'm pretty sure.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she's obviously just got second, and she this is a definitely an improved look because I think this year she's not really kind of broke, if I'm not mistaken, she's not broken into that top six yet.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, at a lot of the Asia shows.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: So this is her first kind of breakthrough.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she definitely brought a package, like a better package in terms of conditioning and like a good mix between conditioning and fullness, because I think that's one thing.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: She'd always get conditioned, but then have maybe a little bit lacking in pop and stuff like that.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is definitely like better for sure.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they're all on the same stage with the same lighting, every single one of them are a different shade.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was just thinking that.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: Especially the top three, those are all completely different shades.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I wonder if they're wearing different, if they're all different wearing different tans or something.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure they, I'm sure they are, yeah.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, three, six, nine.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: Six, nine, twelve, fifteen.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, straight through.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so now we've got, oh my god, this this weekend is.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Is that everything?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: Was that everything from last weekend?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: So we've got one, two, three, and then.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, National, yeah, we did them all.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: We did them all, yeah.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, Nashville.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: So all right, let's look at the list this weekend.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: These are good.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, let's go through Asia first.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got um Anna, who's the front runner for this one, which she needs to get a couple points, I think, because she's oh, she's she's on the list in like the like the last three spots.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: So a second place will definitely solidify her.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I feel like, because I think she's at 15 right now.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: So going up to 19, she'll be solid with only one weekend left.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um, there's not going to be eight names that pass her in one weekend.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, or a win and she comes off the list and someone else gets bumped in.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Damn.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: If she wins, yeah, she's off the list.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: She looks so good, she looks crazy.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she looks very, very, very good.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: She always comes in with that kind of like slightly more conditioned look, but it works so well on her.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: It works for her.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it works really, really well for her.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, and then we've got yeah, then we've got Natya.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: Natalia, we just looked at, yep.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um and if Nataia wins, she's not coming off the list, but she goes up the list.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: So again, it keeps everyone kind of in the same spot, but she just gets bumped up.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, like we said again, like it could this was definitely her better luck as well.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so she got oh look, you even got her stats here.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: She did eighth, she got eighth in June, then eleventh, then seventh, then second.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: So she is making some really, really good improvements moving forwards and stuff, which is good to see.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it's very, very cool.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna be a good one.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then who's this girl?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: Helena Helena Making her return being a previous Olympian.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: Oh that's a good front pose.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: When did she compete last?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think she competed 2025.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know when okay.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: It must it be.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, this is shit.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's really good.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: Proportions are wild, but yeah, she looks good.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: She's coming ready.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is gonna be cool.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is gonna be a cool show to see.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then we've got who else have we got?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then I think she's this so this is the girl that got second at is it Japan?
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Was it Japan?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was Japan, if I'm not mistaken.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Taiwan, Taiwan, um, a couple weeks ago, so like three weeks ago.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, she was really good too.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: So she, yeah, she she looks really good.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: And she did, I think Nataya did do the show as well, and she, I think I'm pretty sure she beat Nataya.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: So again, it's like it's gonna be cool to kind of see how all these all these girls play out, especially in this show.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: So let's see how it goes.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see how it goes.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: It'd be crazy to think that she has a second, right?
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_03: So if she ends up getting a win, she jumps right up into that one.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: She jumps right up.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like there's names coming out of nowhere if shit like that happens.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: So this is gonna be really exciting.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we've got surprise, surprise, Ashley Coltswater coming to this show.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: So she's kind of the front runner coming in to to win this, and then we've got Irene, who just placed third, you've got Meg, who just placed fifth, Tori, who just placed fourth.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: Felicia's doing really good too.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Felicia, oh, I can't, why does that name I can't remember the name?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: Insane front pose.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I she's the one that I said has a very, very bright future.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she just got did she just get third or fourth to Jordan and um Savannah at Tahoe?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_03: And then she got she got fourth at Patriots with Ashley and Kerrigan.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like she's having a killer breakout year.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_03: Is she on the list?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_03: No, but she has points.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I don't know if I think she might be done after this.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm not positive, but with Ashley in the show, I don't expect her to win it.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: But you never know what happens, right?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: Ashley's lost once or twice this year already, so you know you never know.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but she does have points.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then you've also got Irene in there, who's on the list.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's you never know what'll happen.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: And then Lily.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: Lily's been looking pretty good too.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, she's making a whole US run from New Zealand.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: She's been in like three shows in the last few weeks.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then we've got a I I how do you say her name?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Acia?
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Aisha.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: Aisha, yeah.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So this is gonna be a good list.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then we've got I think I want to give a shout out to this one because I think this is Sheena.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think she's competed this year yet.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: But she looks good.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: She's competed before I'm not too sure.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't her pro debut.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Is it her pro debut?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think she's a pro debut, but she looks good.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Really, really good.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Good shape, good shape, really, really good shape for uh where she's at, so yes, okay, and then we've got Pacific USA, so San Diego show.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: We've got Roxy.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Is it Roxy who just done Mexico?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yes, Roxanne, yeah.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: I love you by San.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then we've got Britney Hamilton, and then we've got Ellie, we've got Rachel coming back as well.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: My god.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: Rachel had a killer first half of the year.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: She got second place to Isa.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Rachel's Rachel's got, I think.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_03: So this is the show.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_03: This show right here is the one that is going to shake up the entire list.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because between Ellie and Rachel and Brittany and Roxanna, all of them could win this show.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: I personally think the front runners are Rachel and Roxanna, just based on one, they have the best front poses in the show.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then two, they've been consistently like, especially Rachel, way the fuck up in there.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um and then Ellie is different than all of them.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like, she's the smaller, more petite.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like, if they if she comes in full, you never know what'll happen.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like, she's she's won a million fucking shows.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: So um it's gonna be good.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be really good.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm excited to see this one, but I was gonna say this one shakes up this weekend a lot because all of them have points.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_03: So whoever wins is on the list.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then so all of them have points, but none of them are on the list.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: None of them are on the list.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: They all have points right outside the top 25.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_03: I think the lowest out of all of them has five, and I think Britney has nine.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like you don't like any of them could get in.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: Brittany can even get in with a second and then do one more show, try to get a top five and get in the Olympia that way if she doesn't win this weekend.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: So she's got she's got a better route to get to the Olympia just because she's already up in points a bit.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then you got Rachel, Ellie, and Roxana that all have like five, six points.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so a win puts them in.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: So it's between the four of them, it's it's a crazy show.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't know some of these names, so I'm not trying to like disrespect anyone and be like it's just between the four of them.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't know some of these people.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like I have I don't even know where the fuck the country Eritrea is.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Eritrea, where where's that?
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: Next to Semra?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know what the fuck that is.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: So sorry if I don't know who you are.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know what country you're from.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, let's have I don't know where that is, no, I'm not too sure.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but we've got this is her pro debut.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: She just wanted uh USA's last month.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: Or maybe she did another show, I don't know, but I know I saw her turn pro.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: She just turned pro no, she just turned pro.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is her pro debut.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: It says it in John's thing.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then we've got I'm not too sure who this girl is either.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Maria?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: Marie?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then Julia.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's a go back to that was a good front pose.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's good.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's a good front pose.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's dense.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_03: Got big legs, but just dense all over.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's a good back pose as well.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: Good back pose, yeah.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: See how that stands up.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so again, this is a good show to kind of see kind of you know who gets into the points and stuff like that just a little bit further.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of if I'm honest, this show is kind of like anyone's show.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: It just just come in.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like And I don't think she's tagged on there, but that's my girl Jasmine making her pro debut, too.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_03: She just won it in USAs.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's my posing girl as well.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, tall, class H, like five's nine.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_03: So fills out her physique really, really well.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_03: And you changing her front pose is one of the things that helped win her pro card 100%.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she has before she was a little bit more um quad dominant or quite quad dominant.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: She just needed to get a little bit more curves showing and stuff like that, which definitely because she almost got her pro card at the Arnold amateur, won her class, but then didn't win the overall.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so coming into USAs with the little tweaks we made to training, the tweaks to the posing, I was like, this is this has to be in the back.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like you already won a stat class at the Arnold.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go get top two at USAs in your class and get the pro card.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, we've got another.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: We've got another surprise show.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: We've got Evie Ascanda Eevee.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Looking crazy already at six weeks out or five and a half weeks out.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: I saw that.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: She's gonna pick herself up some momentum into the Olympia.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_03: She's looking, she's looking so good.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see if she's actually got anything on here.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: I just I saw pictures the other day, but I don't think she posted anything recently.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: But she looks very, very, very good.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um I'd ask her if we could put her check-in photos up, but then I have to translate it and chat GPT and get an answer back.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you can see this glute shot, which is I'm sure recent.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she's looking very, very good.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: She she looks she looks a lot um more fresh as well in terms of um what she looked like previously before.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: She looks so much.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that little break is gonna help a lot.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: So much better.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: Because she came out of um, I don't know if people know the story, but like she came out of an off-season over the winter, not really being able to have an off-season after the Olympia.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: I can't remember if it was sick or if it was surgery, but she literally lost muscle tissue.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: She was down like four pounds of stage weight with equal conditioning when she kicked when she kicked off her season.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so she was placing top five every show, just racking up points.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but she she just got seventh, eighth at the Olympia, and then obviously comes in with three or four pounds of lost muscle, and now she got that shit back.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: Like she got her qualification, stress was gone, she took this little bit of time off, and she looks fucking fresh again.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, just in time.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what we want ultimately.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: We want to try and then you got Alice in the show, yeah, and Octavia.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: So Octavia has also competed multiple times at the Olympia, won multiple shows.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: She's not competed for a while, I'm pretty sure.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like the last show she did, I want to say, was a long time ago.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh scroll up to the Olympia photos, see when those were pinned.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is 2025.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 100 two years ago.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, no, 2023, 23.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: That was 2023.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: The last show she yeah, should I think the last time she competed was 2024 with the Arnold of 24.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure that might be the last one.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's gonna be interesting to kind of see her comeback and stuff like that as well.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because she's had a good amount of time off.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Good amount of time off.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: So and then we've got Alice.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_03: Alice in there.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: Who she's I haven't seen, I haven't seen many updates from Alice.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, neither of I need revive, so this would be a cool underwrapped one to see how she looks.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: What was her feedback last time?
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Neither can I.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: James told me and I can't remember what it was.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and then we've got one more Russia.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got Alessia.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: This is one that can really shake up the list too.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because if Alessia kind of gets into because Alessia's just like Alessia even gets a if she even gets a top four, she's back in the back in the list.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, and then who are these girls?
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not that was really silent for I was like really like.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_03: I was like looking and I'm like, who are you?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_03: You look familiar, but I'm not sure who she is.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Some really investigative.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: What's her bio say?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: Has she been to the Olympia or won a show?
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_03: She looks crazy.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: Some really investigative, like stalking going on here with now.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Literally.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_03: We just go silent just scrolling.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: She looks good though.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: Crazy glues.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she looks really good.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: So again, this is gonna be a it could be a shaker upper, because she could do what this show and then potentially one more show.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, and then we've had she's not done a show since I think a couple weeks ago.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: She did the Arnold's UK.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is what she's looking like now, so she looks really good.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: From Russia.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_03: It'll be interesting to see because I understand there's not a whole lot of shows.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how I don't know what the travel time is to get from like Russia down into the rest of Asia and over to Europe and stuff like that.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_03: But um a lot of these girls haven't competed this year.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm like, you're coming out just for Russia, and then you don't have another show to do, and it's the new qualification.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: I think I guess that they don't have other show other choices, but yeah, I think that's probably what it is.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: If there's a show in people's areas, like it's kind of like Do it.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Do it.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I which makes it like New Zealand.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like the New Zealand pro.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you're gonna do that show regardless if it's there, just to kind of see, okay, what what else can I then kind of do from there?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because like it's there only I say not the only opportunity, but like if it's close enough and it's not spending God knows how much, because it even goes back to what we were saying before with you know, Kate, for example, being in New Zealand, she has to take off a decent amount of time to come over to the US to do back-to-back shows.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, and it's the same with me being over here.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, I can travel it back and forth, I don't mind, but it's it's still a long way for me to go.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um to kind of make it.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because Europe, Europe's interesting with their pro shows.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: You guys got a big run of them in the fall, and then it kind of goes stagnant for a while before you guys have more than it's usually the end of the year where a lot of our bigger Europe shows are like after the cut off points, usually, which is I think this is what we were saying before, why we see a lot of the at the beginning of the year or before the point system, you could see um a lot of the girls were already like in there, like the European girls were already way up in the points, you know.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's how Rayner got so high, I think, in the points, yeah, points list, you know.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: And say we care.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, remember what I said at the beginning of this year, the very beginning of this qualification year, when I said that most of the girls will not be from the United States in the Olympia.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: Kerrigan looked it up the other day because BTS put something up that looked like made it look very organized.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to say that I can't remember what the total numbers were, but there were only like 25% of the total were from USA.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's the rest are really cool overseas.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it is.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's really cool.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's that's really cool.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because especially specifically, obviously, last year, from what it looks like, it there's gonna be at probably like 55 girls qualified.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: Correct?
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh 55?
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_03: No, I think we're I think we're gonna be at 50, unless there's a two-show winner, I think we're gonna be at 52-ish, and then there's a few not doing then there's a few not doing the Olympia, but total qualified.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Potentially under 50 girls doing the Olympia, which is 20 something girls less than last year, which is a big cut down.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_03: This was by a large margin, especially I've been to 16 shows this year.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_03: This is a large by a large margin, the hardest year to make the Olympia since points were a thing back in six years ago.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_03: Like, this was looking at the names on here, like you look at the names that are like right outside the list or just in the top 25 that didn't get two show wins, like you're looking at Alice Rosha and Marie Eve and Sharon and Ashley Hampton.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like, those are girls that didn't automatically qualify.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: Those are top fucking names right there.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it's a it was a crazy year to like struggle bust with the points to try to get up into this.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_03: So it's it's really cool to see.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it's cool, it's cool, it is definitely cool to see kind of like the the dynamic of it all.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got this is the current points list at the moment.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and like we said, around this area, like this side of the the list, if I'm honest, probably from like 19 onwards, that's where it's probably gonna all keep shifting at this point.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, and then you're gonna be able to do that.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: I think I think I'm I think we're safe to say Alice Marquisi will be very safe after this weekend.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_03: She's not gonna not be top five.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_03: So she'll jump into the 20s and be solid.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: I just counted.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: There's only 12 Americans on this list.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's insane.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: How many?
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's quite a few.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, even for for the UK, like there's two UK bikini girls, like me and Carrie.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's like, which I know that's only two, but like there's only there's a lot of Europe, there's a lot of European, like in your in Europe itself, like the like the continent.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, like country by country, USA, like just considering how many, how fucking packed the IFBD pro shows are stateside, and there's only 12 Americans in the Olympia.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually kind of crazy.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: That is crazy, actually.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: That is crazy.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's cool though.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: I really do love that because it's it's nice to see like the Olympia being more more diverse, and not saying like that in a way, because obviously a lot of the shows are in the US, like that, so it makes sense for there to be more Americans.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: That I get that.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_03: You saying that you saying that just made me think of my controversial comment that I want to say for the question.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't even know who like I don't know, even know who or where I ever heard this quote before, but sports in general, right?
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_03: Especially bodybuilding, is not meant to be inclusive.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: It is literally meant to be exclusive.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like to get to the Olympia is an exclusive list of people.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: To turn pro is exclusive.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's not the the IFBB is not here to cater to anybody.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's not here to be like you almost had it, or to like hand out shit.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's not inclusive whatsoever.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_03: It is meant to be hard, it is meant to make people travel, it is meant to make you fucking gas yourself out to fucking be one of the best.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's what it is.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_03: You're not handed shit in this.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_03: So um that's I don't know how controversial that is because I mean in today's days, inclusivity is all about everything, but um, like bodybuilding, especially sports in general, right?
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_03: Getting to the major leagues in anything is exclusive.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's not an inclusive thing.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_03: You don't get priority treatment because of literally anything, like nothing to do with where you're from, your race, your religion, anything.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_03: It is how fucking good are you, and that's it.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_03: So that's it.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it and the thing is, it doesn't even come down to like like like we said before, like it's not okay, you need to run a hundred minutes and whoever's the fastest, and it comes down to a skill, it is done generally done on opinion as well.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: So it that generally the sport is controversial in itself.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, no, 100%.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: Body body.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that goes, I I made this comment a couple weeks ago since you brought up like sprinting.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_03: I made that comment where um I had said like humans are not technically like when it comes to athletics, no one we're not created equal.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, everyone has genetic disposition, everybody has there's genetic elite, there's people that have to work a bit like harder to beat their genetics, get to a certain point, and not just bodybuilding, swimming, track, like everything.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_03: If Michael Phelps was against you in the Olympics, you were fucked.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: No matter how many years you were training, no matter how many hours you put in, it didn't matter he was gonna beat you.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_03: Same with Usain Bolt when it comes to 100 meter sprinting, you weren't gonna beat him.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_03: You could be the fucking number two in the world over and over and over again.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: You're not gonna beat him, he's just better.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like, sorry.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like it, yeah.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_03: The the people are not created equal when it comes to athleticism and physical ability.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, completely agree with that one, completely agree.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: So um that was your controversial comment, and then there was another qu what other questions were there?
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: You said how do you feel about lighter weight on exercises to help you feel the muscle better?
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_03: I've been asked this a million fucking times.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um so there, okay, so here's technically what literature says is as long as you are creating stimulus, then you're fine, right?
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_03: Because on on textbook, on paper, if I am doing lateral raises with 20-pound dumbbells, but I usually can do 50, right?
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_03: I can just do 30 more reps with the 20s and create the same amount of stimulus and and growth factor, right?
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_03: Hypertrophy.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's what it says.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_03: That's what we're that's what the studies are, right?
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_03: But what is realistic when it comes to expenditure and fatigue and all of that?
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_03: So I like to err in the gray area of that, where I'll use hip thrust, for example, for the listeners here.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_03: If you can do three plates per side on a hip thrust and that's like you fucking heave in that weight, that's heavy as shit.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_03: Towards failure, you're starting to feel your adductors and your quads take over a little bit.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe we want to back off a bit.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_03: But that doesn't mean we're gonna back off to one or one and a quarter, where you can you need to go as slow as humanly fucking possible and triple the amount of reps that you were doing, and you're like, oh, but I feel it really well.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_03: There's a difference between sensation and actual tension that's being created.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so you back off a little bit to find that that happy medium where you can combine the two.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_03: You marry the two together, and it's like, okay, I found that two plates or two and a 10 or two and a quarter.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_03: So I still backed off from where failure was starting to feel like it was going to all of these secondary muscle groups that I don't want to work, but um, but I still kept the load relative to where I'm targeting the muscle and feeling that, feeling that tension, but it's still heavy enough where I'm still not going double, triple the amount of reps and volume that I need to that I was doing before.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_03: So I like that happy medium there.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and there's a lot more like intricacies and detail behind that, but that's just a very like blanket statement for how I feel about that that question.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, I completely agree if I'm honest.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like sometimes it's it's easy to kind of be like, oh, you know, like sometimes I think that we think progressive overload, for example, is like only weight, but it doesn't have to be measured in in that matter either, especially there's only so much weight you can add to something where it otherwise things are other things are gonna start to be brought in.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: So no, I completely agree with that statement wholeheartedly.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, the the number one most under underthought and underutilized form of progressive overload is form execution, performing it the best you can.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't care if someone like use hip thrust, for example.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: If we're doing hip thrusts and you got three plates per side on there, and I have you working within a 10 to 15 rep range, and you're like, yep, I hit 15 reps with it, I'm ready to move up now.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: And then I look at the reps you're doing and I go, Okay, well, why are we throwing back?
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_03: And why are we losing the neutral spine position?
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: And why are we not bracing through the core and all the above, right?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_03: So now let me have you do this.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, all of a sudden you can only do nine to 10 proper reps and not 15.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's progressive overload at its baseline.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like before you add reps, before you add weight, before you throw in an intensifier and turn something into a drop set, make sure you're fucking performing it 100%.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's the number one baseline of execution.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, 100%.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Completely agree.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Was there any other other any other questions at all?
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_03: Your controversial take.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, I didn't even think about it.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: I should have thought about it a little bit more.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean what's something what's something imposing that you that you think people do that they don't need to do, or like that's not even controversial.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_03: We see people fucking flailing all over the place and we know they're not supposed to do that, so it's not really controversial, it's just on my opinion.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like when it comes to back when it comes to back pose, don't if you don't have the glute hand time, don't lean forward to try and chat it.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's not really controversial.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's good, it's not controversial, it's just yeah, it's posing projects right there.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's just uh it's just literally posing together.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's literally yeah.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not very controversial as it is anyway, so I'm kind of like eh.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I mean only off comment.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_03: No, you're not, you're really not.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, no, I it always kills me, especially at like regional level shows, when I hear random coaches yelling at their wellness or bikini clients on stage and fit model now to fucking push, push when they're in the back pose.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, what the fuck are you doing, man?
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't have glute hand tines and you haven't got the condition for it, don't lean forwards to but even the one that like even sometimes when they're like yelling that at them, they're already at their max.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what do you want them to do?
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_03: Fucking bend over and touch the floor?
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, we don't want to see that.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: If the judges don't want to see it, we don't want to see it.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: So no if you don't have them, stand like just stand up, chest up, stand up.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, comment down below though your controversial thoughts because we want to know your controversial thoughts about bikini, fit model, bodybuilding in general.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: We want to hear them.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_03: So Zoe, I want to hear it.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_03: I know you're listening right now, and I know you're gonna comment.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_03: I want to hear your controversial take.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_01: I want controversy.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, but thank you guys so much for watching as always.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you like, subscribe, all that type of stuff.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: And literally two more weeks.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: And then we have the list.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: We have the list, we have the list.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the the crazy thing is, there's actually there is gonna be unlike there's under 50 girls, I think, that will be doing the Olympia.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: So that's really cool.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, obviously, I know that doesn't sound like crazy to some because they're like, that's still 50 girls.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's a huge improvement from last year.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: Not to say that that not every single girl like deserved to be there last year, but the whole point of the Olympia is that it's supposed to be exclusive.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I was gonna say.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, someone comment someone commented that in our comments a couple weeks ago.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_03: Did you see that?
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, did they?
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: What's it saying?
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_03: We we mentioned, we didn't say any names, but we mentioned how we know a couple people aren't doing the Olympia that are qualified.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: Someone's question in the comments was if they notify the IFBB that they're not doing it, are they gonna get taken off and other people moved in?
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_03: My response to that is fuck no.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_03: Why should they?
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_03: No, they earned the place up there.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_03: One, they don't even need to tell the IFBB they're not doing it until like after the cutoff, if they if they want to, right?
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_03: They don't need to.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, like let them know after the fact.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like this list is solidified.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, I'm not making it because of X, Y, and Z health issues taking off, like whatever it may be.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but that's part of that controversial take is this isn't inclusive.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's not, oh, you were in the 26th and 27th spot, but two people aren't doing the Olympia, so we're gonna put you in their place.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck no, you didn't earn it.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: So unfortunately, you gotta get it.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's only one way to get into the Olympia, and it has to be either winning those two shows or being in that point system, even even if a couple people aren't doing on the points list, and that draws your name up, doesn't matter.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and also I feel like for me, I wouldn't want to go to the Olympia like that.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I would want to go into the Olympia knowing I earned all those points, it wasn't by default.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, 100%, 100% agreed.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's my controversial opinion.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_03: I like that.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_03: I like yeah, no, it's definitely kind of controversial because some people are more inclusive in their mindset, which isn't a bad thing, but it's just not what sports is.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's not inclusive.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and that's fine.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, right, thank you guys for watching.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: Comment your controversial thoughts.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: We want to hear all the juicy ones, and we'll maybe go through them next week.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_03: We'll air them all out live, first and last name.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll we'll put you all out there, and yeah, we'll see you in the next one.