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'Their' Gaslighting & Censorship Is FAILING | Richie Allen · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Hello friends, I'm your host, Chris Throuw. I'm a former
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  Speaker 2: Rumeries commando. I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across
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  Speaker 2: eighty countries on all seven continents. Welcome to the Port
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  Speaker 2: the t Shirt Podcast. Richie, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Brother? Good morning Chris from an over asked a dull
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  Speaker 3: and pretty miserable sal for nothing changes once you get
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  Speaker 3: north of Birmingham. That's about it, really, isn't Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: the weather.
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  Speaker 2: It's quite interesting. You're up in the north right Manchester Way. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: obviously you're not from there, but I think you found
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  Speaker 2: made quite a home for yourself, would that be? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I love sold for Chris. Yeah, well we've we lived
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  Speaker 3: in Manchester, myself and my missus. We lived in Spain
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  Speaker 3: for quite a number of years and I was doing
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  Speaker 3: radio there. She had a bar. We came back to
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  Speaker 3: the UK to London in twenty thirteen for me to
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  Speaker 3: do a TV gig for a year, which I did.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty fourteen, we ended up in Manchester, where we
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  Speaker 3: had been many years before. It's complicated, and then in
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  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen we found a cheap and cheerful house for
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  Speaker 3: sale in a working class council estate in Salford. Both
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  Speaker 3: of us are working class kids, me and my missus,
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  Speaker 3: and we said, you know what, let's point the house
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  Speaker 3: because it's cheap and cheerful and maybe Chris, maybe subconsciously,
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  Speaker 3: we kind of knew there was some sort of arm
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  Speaker 3: again living horizon. So having rented for years and years,
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  Speaker 3: we thought we'd better put down some routes in and
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  Speaker 3: buy your house. So yeah, So we've been in Soulver
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  Speaker 3: ever since nearly six years. It will be six years
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  Speaker 3: in May. Yeah, it is home, but as we come
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  Speaker 3: home for us mate. Yeah, it's home from home. This
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  Speaker 3: whole thing about working class people, thought of the earth
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  Speaker 3: and Northerners, all of it is through. It's a great
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  Speaker 3: place to live. It's it's hectic. I mean we're a
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  Speaker 3: mile from the city center of Manchester. It's busy. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's great, mat, it's great. Everything is on our doorstep.
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  Speaker 3: We're five minutes strive from the countryside. We've got two
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  Speaker 3: big dogs and when we want a bit of life,
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  Speaker 3: a bit of excitement, a bit of entertainment, the city's
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  Speaker 3: only down the road.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we love it here, mate. If I take
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  Speaker 2: my hat off, yeahs it's like a right, said Thread convention.
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  Speaker 3: It's even better than that. I think we could start
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  Speaker 3: singing five undred miles by the Proclaimers. I'll start you
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  Speaker 3: sing the choruses.
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  Speaker 2: Yes have you met?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Said Fred. They're a couple of nice guys.
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  Speaker 3: They are. They're lovely guys. I've never met them in
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  Speaker 3: the flesh, but I've interviewed them a number of times
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  Speaker 3: over the years. In fact, the lads were doing They
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  Speaker 3: often do the village during Pride in Manchester and a
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  Speaker 3: few years ago they were booked to do Pride and
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  Speaker 3: Richard said to me, right, if you're intel, Richie, come
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  Speaker 3: to me. But none of us realize that pride in
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  Speaker 3: Manchester is ridiculous. It's just mental. You're talking hundreds and
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of people. So we never actually met
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  Speaker 3: in the flesh, But I've interviewed the guys over the years.
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  Speaker 3: Loved the guys, really, really good lads and unfair play
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  Speaker 3: to them, you know when you think back to the
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  Speaker 3: abuse they took back in twenty twenty one, just aty curiosity,
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  Speaker 3: they decided to pop down to Leicester Square to see
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  Speaker 3: what the rallies were about the protests, and they've taken
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  Speaker 3: a lot of flack since. But the establishment is funny
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  Speaker 3: ever learns You know what you do when you go
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  Speaker 3: after people like the Friends is you just introduce millions
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  Speaker 3: more people to who they are and to their music.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think they've ever been as popular in
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  Speaker 3: terms of bookings and stuff like that. So it's always
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  Speaker 3: the known goal with the establishment, Chris, isn't it mate?
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  Speaker 2: Didn't we learn a lot? But from the likes of
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  Speaker 2: Matt Letizia, how much shit did he get just for
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  Speaker 2: saying if you you know, if you take something toxic,
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  Speaker 2: can you put it in your in your I think
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  Speaker 2: I think the lesson there is it not just speak
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  Speaker 2: your truth and everyone everyone else doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to think that if anything came out of
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty, I used to have this thing where I
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  Speaker 3: used to believe, as a younger man that if middle
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  Speaker 3: income earners, if the so called middle class, if they
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  Speaker 3: were ever upset, if they were ever put in a
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  Speaker 3: position where they felt felt in some way you know,
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  Speaker 3: that their very existence, their livelihood has been threatened, that
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  Speaker 3: we might see a great, you know, pushback against the
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  Speaker 3: sort of authoritarianism that we've been witnessing. And I think
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  Speaker 3: we saw a bit of that, and I think it
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  Speaker 3: had a lot to do with the likes of Matt Letsa,
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  Speaker 3: who obviously was an incredibly famous footballer. You know, played
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  Speaker 3: for Southampton all his life, but he was he was
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  Speaker 3: bigger than Southampton and football. He was a genius footballer,
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  Speaker 3: a maverick, and a great commentator on Soccer Saturday for
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  Speaker 3: many years. And all that Matt did was say, what
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  Speaker 3: do we know about these medicines? Really, in terms of
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  Speaker 3: what do we know about the long term effects of them?
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  Speaker 3: They seem to be very new and they came down
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  Speaker 3: on him, the media came down on him. He lost
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  Speaker 3: his job at soccer Saturday, which was just shocking to me,
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  Speaker 3: and it was terrible. But I kind of hope that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the middle the middle class, you know, people
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  Speaker 3: who've never really been kind of touched by the establishment,
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  Speaker 3: people who always kind of went along, had good jobs,
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  Speaker 3: the kids got into good schools that they never really
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  Speaker 3: saw tyranny. I was kind of hoping that, and maybe
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  Speaker 3: it has happened to a degree that people would have
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  Speaker 3: looked at Matt and the Freds and others and thought, well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm honestly, these people are just asking a couple of
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  Speaker 3: basic questions. How can your career your livelihood be threatened
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  Speaker 3: for asking a fairly basic question. Why doesn't somebody just
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  Speaker 3: answer their question and leave it b Why did they
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  Speaker 3: have to be attacked in that way? Chris So, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think the likes of Matt and the Friends and
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  Speaker 3: there were others, and of course doctors as well, scientists
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  Speaker 3: putting their kind of next on the block. I like
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  Speaker 3: to think that because of what their sacrifice and putting
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  Speaker 3: their careers at risk, that a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 3: pretty comfortable middle class people might be like, well, maybe
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  Speaker 3: this world is kind of not a stafe and is
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  Speaker 3: not as predictable and comfortable asy as maybe we thought
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  Speaker 3: it was. Well, yeah, I have a lot of time
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  Speaker 3: for those guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely we were talking earlier, weren't we. I'm fascinated
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  Speaker 2: to know about your transition to independent broadcasting, which is
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  Speaker 2: I know how tough it is just to have a
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  Speaker 2: YouTube channel. That's my day gone, especially when I do
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  Speaker 2: a bit of adventure and you know, matarity stunts on
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  Speaker 2: top of it. But you were giving voices to you
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  Speaker 2: were giving those sort of people voices that immediately gets
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  Speaker 2: you labeled with the old racists they call it now,
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  Speaker 2: the antisepticsler.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. I obviously come from commit.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry just to say if you if you question a
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  Speaker 2: school shooting, then somehow you're antiseptic. That's just like, how
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  Speaker 2: how does that works?
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  Speaker 3: It's mad, really, and it is. It's kind of it
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  Speaker 3: was a very bad idea, like a lot of ideas well,
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  Speaker 3: has no kind of punk to pass. And we're in
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  Speaker 3: the time now where so you're interviewing me today and
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  Speaker 3: there will be people who will decide to associate you
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  Speaker 3: with anything that I might have ever said or done
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  Speaker 3: just by nature of the fact that you're interviewing me. Now,
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  Speaker 3: this is preposterous. It's preposterous to assume that because you're
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  Speaker 3: interviewing me you share my opinions, that you share my positions. Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: But this is an idea that took hold in the
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  Speaker 3: late notice and in the middle part of the last
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  Speaker 3: decade that if you interviewed somebody, and this is what
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  Speaker 3: they so they created a whole new set of words
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  Speaker 3: and phrases. They invented a new language. So you are
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  Speaker 3: I hate people who do this ordinary, but I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to do it anyway. Platforming people, you see, So this
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  Speaker 3: is guilt by association. So today you are platforming me.
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  Speaker 3: You're not platforming me. You've wrung me up to ask
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  Speaker 3: me a few questions because you're interested in people and
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  Speaker 3: you're interested in how people came to be where they are.
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  Speaker 3: You're not platforming me, and you're not endorsing me as
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  Speaker 3: a person or anything I've ever done. You're just speaking
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  Speaker 3: to me out of interest because you're a podcaster and
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  Speaker 3: an interviewer, and I sound as my show grew in
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  Speaker 3: popularity in the last ten years, so I would interview
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  Speaker 3: everybody in anybody because I'm interested, So David Duke the
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  Speaker 3: ku Kluks clan, I can ever say that guy would
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  Speaker 3: interview a guy like him. I would interview a guy
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  Speaker 3: who might be a Holocaust and I are. I might
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  Speaker 3: interview a guy who's got some pretty conservative views about
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  Speaker 3: parenting and about marriage, and I would listen to them,
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  Speaker 3: and I would probe and ask questions and challenge. That's journalism, right,
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  Speaker 3: But the idea kind of came in. One of the
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  Speaker 3: ways then of shutting that down was to try and
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  Speaker 3: associate the interviewer with the views of their interviewee. And
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  Speaker 3: this was very successful for the establishment because I can
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  Speaker 3: only speak for me, and there are people who are
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  Speaker 3: are more well known than me, who have been far
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  Speaker 3: more successful than me, who this has happened to. But
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  Speaker 3: I can speak from my own personal point of view.
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  Speaker 3: So they can have you kicked off, So YouTube can
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  Speaker 3: kick you off, and they can demonetize you. And PayPal
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  Speaker 3: deleted my PayPal account and there were several hundred pounds
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  Speaker 3: in it, and they kept the money and never saw
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  Speaker 3: the money. Again. That's neither here nor there. But they
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  Speaker 3: could do this because of your choice of interviewee, you
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  Speaker 3: were associated with the opinions of the people you interviewed,
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  Speaker 3: it didn't matter. It's in the case of Sandy Hook,
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  Speaker 3: for example, So I interviewed a state trooper and a
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  Speaker 3: former school safety inspector I called Wolfgang Hald and he
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  Speaker 3: said nobody died at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It was
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  Speaker 3: a big It was a big grab for people's guns.
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  Speaker 3: You know. It was an anti gun, false flag kind
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  Speaker 3: of a thing. And I didn't believe Wolfgang, but I
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  Speaker 3: also believe he should be heard because he isn't some
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  Speaker 3: clown on Facebook who knows nothing, who said, well a
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  Speaker 3: number huppled, it's a load of boos. He's a former
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  Speaker 3: policeman who used to be a school safety inspector, so
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  Speaker 3: he's got a right to be heard anyway. And I
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  Speaker 3: would have interviewed him a couple of times. The interviews
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  Speaker 3: would have been very robust, hostile at times, because I
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  Speaker 3: would push him hard and say, listen, I've heard this
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  Speaker 3: guy's father. You know this guy's he's lost these kid likes.
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  Speaker 3: Something has happened there, children have been Yeah, he had it,
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  Speaker 3: but you could be deleted from YouTube, and you can
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  Speaker 3: have PayPal delete it. Because you spoke to him, because
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  Speaker 3: it had come to pass that certain things were to
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  Speaker 3: boo you should never speak of them, and certain people
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  Speaker 3: were also to boo, you shouldn't speak to them. And
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: if you do, the assumption will be that you are
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  Speaker 3: all out forming them because you agree with them and
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  Speaker 3: you want to advance their views. It doesn't matter that
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing a very poor Jeremy Paxman impersonation during the
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  Speaker 3: interview and I'm really pushing at him. And this was
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  Speaker 3: so dangerous. I remember at the time screaming from the
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  Speaker 3: rooftops about this, saying they are destroying journalism, they are
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  Speaker 3: destroying debate by putting the fear of God into content creators.
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  Speaker 3: Content creators who are monetized, who are earning five hundred
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  Speaker 3: pounds a month on YouTube, or in my case, the
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  Speaker 3: Richie Arons Show was earning three four, four and a
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  Speaker 3: half five thousand pounds a month on YouTube. I was
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  Speaker 3: at the stage where I was going to say to
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  Speaker 3: my listeners, I don't need your support anymore at all
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  Speaker 3: because we're monetizing it through add sense and all of that,
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  Speaker 3: but that they could say, no, no, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: delete all of that, and it's theent to message out
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  Speaker 3: to content creators all over the world. If you're making
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  Speaker 3: a few bob on our platforms, and by the way,
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  Speaker 3: we have hegemony now we are the only platforms. If
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  Speaker 3: you're making a few bob with us, don't speak about
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  Speaker 3: medical issues, don't have people on who disagree with the
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  Speaker 3: status quo, don't the platform right wingers or whatever, because
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  Speaker 3: we'll demonetize you at the very least, and at worst,
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  Speaker 3: we'll just delete your platform entirely. Do you know I
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  Speaker 3: got the financial but in this country, a financial conduct authority.
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  Speaker 3: I really went for it with PayPal. They say they
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  Speaker 3: can't delete my account. They can't de bank me for
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  Speaker 3: doing my job. I'm a real journalist. I take pride
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  Speaker 3: in me a real journalist, fair and ethic. They can't
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  Speaker 3: just delete me because somebody has contacted them to say, well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm offended by some of the things I heard on
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  Speaker 3: this programs. They can't do that. And the Financial Conduct
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  Speaker 3: as already always at the financial Lumbus when I can't
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  Speaker 3: remember because it's been so long ago, they were brilliant.
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  Speaker 3: They said, you're right, Richie, You're absolutely right. We hate it.
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  Speaker 3: We've written to them and they showed me the letters,
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  Speaker 3: but they said, ultimately our hands are tied. Really there's
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  Speaker 3: no legislation preventing them from debanking it, and so it
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  Speaker 3: was a case of all right, then, well I'll have
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  Speaker 3: to go somewhere else. And you're always worried Archie Chris.
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  Speaker 3: So you're going with them Revolute, or you're going with
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  Speaker 3: pay on Air or something, and you're just waiting for
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  Speaker 3: somebody to send an email to one of these companies
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  Speaker 3: to say, well, Richie Allen is a hateful bastard. He
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  Speaker 3: interviews all these nutters you see, allowed to have an
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  Speaker 3: account with you, and they go, oh okay, and they
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  Speaker 3: delete the account. It happened to Farage with Coots, didn't that.
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  Speaker 3: I think kots Bank deleted Farage a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 3: And people say, don't be super sided Richie. He's a
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  Speaker 3: stab is If it matters, I don't care who Nigel
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  Speaker 3: Farage is. You're either against the d banking of people
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  Speaker 3: or you're not. You know, there's no middle ground where
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  Speaker 3: well it's okay to d bank him because he's a
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  Speaker 3: bit of an arsehol. No it isn't. It's okay to
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  Speaker 3: d bank Tommy Robinson. No, it Fukain is not under
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  Speaker 3: any circumstances. And I couldn't be any further away politically
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  Speaker 3: from Tommy Robinson. But I'll fight and scream and shot,
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  Speaker 3: and I did because Robinson was kicked off a PayPal
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  Speaker 3: before me, and I kicked off about it, ironically not
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  Speaker 3: realizing it would happen to me. So, Chris, I've given
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  Speaker 3: you a really long, boring answer night, But those were
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  Speaker 3: the times, and these are the times.
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  Speaker 2: It's fascinating. I think our audience out there will love it. Friends,
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  Speaker 2: Can I just say, could you like can subscribe? As
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  Speaker 2: you can probably guess it's the kind of chat that's
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  Speaker 2: right right up our street. Yeah, the old Nigel farging.
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  Speaker 2: If you think that they're kind of scopting him for
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  Speaker 2: prime minister at the moment, it makes you wonder how
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  Speaker 2: much of that was the merchants just agreeing with the merchants. Right,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's let's pretend that we're going to do one
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  Speaker 2: of our own because he's a merchant banker.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, City of London.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it doesn't make you want how much of
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  Speaker 2: it is just gameplay?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, I even think about populist populists never failed,
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  Speaker 3: They never fail. They never failed to disappoint, and yet
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  Speaker 3: people seemingly never become tired of being let down by populists.
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  Speaker 3: Populists throughout history have gained followings and popularity because they've
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  Speaker 3: spoken like every man, haven't they. They've they speak like
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  Speaker 3: the man speaks in the pub or the woman speaks
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  Speaker 3: in the pub. They tell us what we already know,
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  Speaker 3: that open door migration is crazy. It reduces employment opportunities,
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  Speaker 3: it drives down standards, it makes housing a big problem.
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  Speaker 3: They tell us all of this. They tell us, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I won't go after pubs, And they tell us, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'll protect farmers and all the right things until the
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  Speaker 3: day they're given the keys to the kingdom. And then
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  Speaker 3: and this is only my opinion, and everything your viewers
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  Speaker 3: see today is only my opinion. And I'm not precious
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  Speaker 3: about my opinions. But they get in, and that's when
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  Speaker 3: reality votes. When they get in, and that's when they're
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  Speaker 3: surrounded by civil servants and SYNC tank members and they're
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  Speaker 3: told them, see all that stuff in the manifesto, you
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  Speaker 3: won't be doing much of that, really, no, No, what
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  Speaker 3: you'll be doing is what you are allowed to do
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  Speaker 3: financially by those who control the money supplying the flow
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  Speaker 3: of money. So I feel for my friends because I
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  Speaker 3: have close personal friends who are really excited about Farage,
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  Speaker 3: and I feel for them, and I don't browbeat them.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not dogmatic about my positions. I listen
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  Speaker 3: to them and I say, well, I had friends who
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  Speaker 3: were thrilled back in July of twenty twenty four when
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  Speaker 3: Labor won the landslide. I had friends who really believed
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  Speaker 3: Chris that, well, do you know, at the very least
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  Speaker 3: the worst off will just be a bit better oft
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  Speaker 3: now that we have a labor government. Yeah. If I
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  Speaker 3: was a real arso I'd be saying to my friends,
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  Speaker 3: how's that working out for you? And now? Right, and
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: in a few years time, if Farage manages to lead
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: reform to victory or I think more likely he'll lead
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: a coalition, maybe maybe I'm wrong, right, but if he
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: gets in, it'll be the same. The agendas that we
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: talk about and that you've spoken about with me on
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: my program will just progress. They'll just carry on, you
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, And people will be disappointed, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know what happens then, do we get another
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: populist in twenty thirty one who comes along to say
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: all the right things. So yeah, it sounds all very
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: depressing and defeatus. But I'm not. I think there are
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: solutions for people. But I don't believe, Chris, I never
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: have your opinion will fascinate me. I don't believe the
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: solutions are in political figures or political parties. That's just
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: my own personal opinion.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, I say this every day on my show Richie
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: is you're not in a you know no one's coming
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: to save you, and that's brilliant because it means you
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: can save yourself and you can do that. To literally
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: do that today easy. I've had to do it from
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: chronic drug addiction. Leave the past behind, heal the past.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: It's just experience. Be grateful for this incredible life. Because
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of dead people out there. They'd love
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: to be sat where we are now, wouldn't they? And
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: they died in horrible, horrible circumstances. Some of them. Be grateful.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: It's a bit weird, this life. But I was out
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: on Dartmoor the other day cooking hot dogs with my
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: family and I just looked around and I said, guys,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: just look, you forget how absolutely amazing this experience is
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: because of all the noise. And the third thing, take action.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Anybody can cut down the booze. Do that today massively,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: will will help your life. Anyone can walk around the block,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: jog around the block, anyone can you know, check their
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: acid alkaline balance and make sure that they're not living
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: in acid doses, which ninety nine point nine percent of people.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Really simple, So sorry, Richard Richie, I'm just gone on
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a bit of a tangent.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: No, I've fascinated me, especially with the booze. Yeah, I
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: made a decision in December that I wasn't just going
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: to do a dry January nonsense. And then yeah, well
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I've done try January. Now I've you know, I've done
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: my penance. I have atoned from my sins. I can
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: start again in February. So I made a massive change
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: in my life and it was a permanent one, you know.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I've completely cut it out now. I limit
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: myself to a couple of beers on a Saturday afternoon.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: A couple of means a couple. It's not an Irish couple,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: you know. Couple doesn't mean seven or eight. A couple
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: of means too. And for the other six days of
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the week, I don't touch it. And that's where I
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: am now. And I can say to your viewers, and
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: you listen to Chris Chris's viewers, listen to him, I'm
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: living proof of it. It makes an enormous difference to you,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: to how you feel, to your awareness. You know, brain
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: fog might be something you're dealing with, goes out the
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: window once you drop the booze or hill it by
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: ninety five percent. Well you might allow yourself one day
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: where you have a couple whatever, clear thinking, clarity, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: more of a purpose about what you're doing, more energy. Yeah, absolutely,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: if you can just do that, if you can say
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I don't really need that in my life. That's where
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I got to in December. Yeah, because I was a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: bit of an oaty buy now, but there's always have
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: to work with me. I'm not making excuses here now.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Thankfully I didn't need it to get up and like yourself, Chris,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: like you, I know, people have great friends and family
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: who needed to function from the moment they got out
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: of bed. And maybe I would have gotten there maybe,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: but I didn't. But I was a silly you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: after work boozer. Well, I've justified it. I've worked all day,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I put the shift in. Now I can open the
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: card and all of that, and it's just a slow
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: death and it's terrible. So I stopped it. Yeah, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I know there's no going back to that. It's amazing now,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: like last night, finishing the show at seven, getting it off,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: the live show, getting it turned around for podcasts, all
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: of that. The last thing on my mind is to
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: have a drink, just not the only thing on my
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: mind is is to sit down and have a chat
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: with my missus, have a cuddle with the dogs, find
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: something to watch on TV after we've had a chat,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: and then go to bed with a good book. Songs
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: very pretentious. Now my missus is French without any alcohol.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: It's great, It's fantastic. Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Amen, Yeah, it gets way, doesn't it. Where you sat
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: watching Telly with your family or like you say, your
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: girlfriend and you think, bloody hell used to like get
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: drunk to do this, do you know what I mean? Why?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It's it's and I've got one of those apps on
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: my phone. My current abstinence has been eleven months since
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: since the road really, you know, And one was saying
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: when the app shows you how much money you saved.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And you know, even in even in like eleven months,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I've saved probably the best part of two grand And well,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: that's a family holiday abroad, isn't it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: You know, isn't it?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe not an expensive holiday, but it's it's yeah, well.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: That'll get you to that will get you to Santa
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Panza or to Caramelinos for a couple of weeks at
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: least with the family. That's remarkable, isn't it. Two thousand Yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I think of all the times I went to the
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: local corner shop and picked up either a seventy cl
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: or a leader of Picardi, and then after three or
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: four days it's gone. You'll getting another one, you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: when you're thinking, if I had it all that up, yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: that could be. That could be. Yeah, money put towards
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: a new car, or like you said, to a holiday.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: It is. But the clarity, it's amazing what you described there.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: That's why I've had this experience where I'm watching a
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: bit of TV. We're all cuddled up on the sofa
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: and I realized, yeah, a few weeks ago, or a
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: month or so ago, i'd have been in a bit
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: of a zoon. The fight state now no doubt about that,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: and eventually you just crawl up the stairs and you
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: just get so used to doing that. I'm not making excuses.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: It began for me in late twenty twenty because doing
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: the live radio show every single day and talking about
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: that madness and the hearingy of it. I began to
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: lean on the boos then as a way of forgetting
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: about it, because I want to be dealing with it
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: after twelve hours of preparing a show, doing the two
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: hours with the interviews and all of that and the monologues.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: And then my excuse then for the that was my
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: excuse then for the boot because it was I can't
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: face up to this. I just can't be easy thing
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: to do a couple of large to begin with a
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: couple of large mccardi's, and then zone out, you know.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: But I knew even then it was wrong. It was unhealthy,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: It was dangerous in terms of what it can do
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: to your health, even in you know, even in short periods.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: And I had my time where I'd stop and then
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I'd start again, and I'd stop. But something came over
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: me in early December and I just knew that that Christmas,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: which would would just be like. It was almost like
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: some sort of I don't know, I know that people
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: who deal with alcoholism they have a way of phrasing it,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: but yeah, it was almost like I was saying through
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: a veil that there was a veil hanging over my face,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, like a bride's veil say,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden it was gone, just gone,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: just like that. And I remember and the missus even
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: said to me, she said, it's real this, This is
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: real this, and I said, yeah, it's real. Yeah, I'm
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: gone with now, you know, fifty one years of age.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: It's trying to grow up and embrace what sobriety will
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: bring well and will well it's going to enhance and
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: it has in a few short weeks. It's completely enhanced them,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: my days, my evenings, my weekends. So absolutely, Chris, Yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: thanks for bringing it up, because if I can say
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: to people who might be you know, who might be
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the same, what do we call it? Adrian Child looks
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: for the BBC, you know, Adrian Child. He was where
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I was and he stopped it. And it's kind of
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: like functioning alcoholism, isn't it. You know, you're getting away
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: with it because you're not a prick, you're not violent,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: you're not really much of a problem. And this is
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons why you're getting away with it,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: because you know you can just sit there like and
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: then go to pad you're not really causing Well, then yeah,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: it's goody to bring it up because I'm glad to
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: share that. And if anybody's going through it or thinking
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: about stop big best thing you'll ever do.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I just lost a fourth mate to alcoholism. It's
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: quite funny. The four people that die. I can genuinely
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: say I love them loads Richie. You know, you know
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: we we all at one stage in our life we
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: were like bro you know, pretty much but brothers with
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: with the four of them, and and three lived alone,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: which is obviously a killer, isn't it, Especially if you
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: sit drinking in front of the internet in the evening
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: or yeah, whatever it might be. One one was a
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: one was a family man. And I just think it's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: crazy when I'm out on about or you know, I'm
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: just off to Everest, I think they could be with me, now,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? If they just and
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not this is not a judgment and I'm not
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: trying to say alcoholisms easy. Believe it. I've been I've
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: been off my head for thirty five years, Richie. Really,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I think the binge thing that just sums
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: up and my binges can go on for three is
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I mean more? And we're talking morning, noon and night
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and everything that I can get the hands on. So
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: it's I don't take this lightly, but I do think
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: if they'd had just a little bit less trauma than
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: they had, they or the right circumstance, they could have
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: just made that decision to just all you got to do.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: If you get off it for three months, it just
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: instills in you've got the power you can you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: because you're thirty odd years Richie, I didn't think I
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: could get I try and go the day and by
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: five in the evening I'm walking down the Tesco BuzAr Again.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Did you know?
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Is it the case? I mean, I don't know the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: answer to this. Are support networks in short supply? Is
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: that still an issue whether it be a servicemen and
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: women or or just you know, civilians like me, Is
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: there's steel a lack of easy to reach the board
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: for people like your mates where you do have people
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: that you can lean on. Is this still a problem.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Today, I'd recommend anyone look up smart recovery. Right, smart
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: recovery is, I'd say to anyone if you're going to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: drink yourself to death and you're a family person, or
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you've got even if you're not, you just got a
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: booze issue, and you know when you have, well, as
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: soon as you know you've got it's like, stop denying it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: You're only lying to yourself, right, But if it's affecting
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: your loved ones and especially children, fucking do whatever you can.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: If you means going to AA or NA, whatever you
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: thing is, do it. What I say, having been a
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: substance misuse professional, well still am really in my life
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: coaching is that AA is a very much is outdated
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: in a lot of respects because the last thing you
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: want to do when you've got damaged self confidence, child
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: issues and a self image problem is hold your hand
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: up every week and address yourself. Address yourself by your
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: mental health condition. You know it's it's and whereas the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: more scientific method is to recognize, no, it's not a disease,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it's a learned psychological behavior. Just like the rat in
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: the cage. He learns if he pushes that button, he
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: gets the food pellet. He pushes that, you know, And
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and so.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: The bottle of Bacardi, the stress and the pain disappears
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: for a couple of hours. And I haven't heard it
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: described as learned behavior before. Actually, finally enough, you're the
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: first person I've heard say that. Yeah, that makes sense
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: It's a learned behavior, learn psychology, because what does the
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: rat do when they take the pellets away the food Pellett?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: What does the rat do to fix the problem? He
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: still hits the button. And that's what we do, isn't it?
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: When long after the booze serves its purpose and everything's
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: falling apart and we're depressed and anxious, what do we
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: do to try and fix it? Will we drink more booze?
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah absolutely?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that. So I want to come back
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: to your show, Richie, because everyone knows I try and
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: go live every day if I can. It's really just
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to keep my subs going up, Richie, because if I don't,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: if I was to just do my podcast, which typically
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: goes out on a Sunday, and I try and put
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: one out on a Wednesday if I can. I don't
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: make any subscribers on YouTube, especially as you you know
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: that you seem to get them, Pilford, you subs seem
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: to get.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Well, that would be well, that'll be an algorithm things
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: or like I know, it's become a bit of a
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: cliche to say, well, it's true, you will be fogged
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: by the algorithms. Of course you will. I mean most
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: openly admits it. I mean, I am amazed there hasn't
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: been any talk of a class action lawsuit against Elon
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Musk and against X because when he sold his Blue Tick,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: pay me three hundred pounds a year, and I was
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Richie Allen Show paid for a year, So the last
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: twelve months we had a blue Tick and all that
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: because I didn't believe Musk, but I wanted to test
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: it out. Okay, so you say, if I pay you,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: is that I get a fair opportunity to grow follows
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: and to grow on a complete line. It's a complete line,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: and Musk out of the blue Tick thing. I saw
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the figure, but I can't remember it because printed in
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: the Times Times of London recently. It's made him not
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: hundreds of millions, it's made several billion pounds for his
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: company selling the blue tick right, selling official membership of X.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I'm amazed that they haven't done after because it happens everywhere.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Facebook wants you to pay them. The Facebook pretty much
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: tells you they're pretty much opening it. If you don't
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: pay it, you're not going to grow. You know, you
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: can post what you want on your page, but we
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: won't even show it to the people who follow you,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: people who actually follow you. There there's someone like yourself
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: doing what you're doing, and you're speaking about things that
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Again to Boo, there's no doubt that Google is limiting
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: as much as it possibly can the reach of your podcast,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: of course, I mean that's an absolute given there. It's terrible.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: It's awful and ugly. And I don't know. An old
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: friend of mine some years ago, and he was big
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: into websites when websites first came online in the late nineties,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: when people started having websites and forums, and he said,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: the problem that humanity kind of the trap we kind
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: of fell into was when Facebook came along, and particularly
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Facebook and then Twitter as a species, we abandoned their websites.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And he said this was a huge mistake we used
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: to have our own websites. Like back in the day,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I would be a fan of the work of Chris Throw.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Chris Throw dot com. What's Chris doing. Nobody can stop
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: that because you have your website and I know where
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: you are, Chris Throw. Nowadays, I might be on Facebook
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: having a look around and Chris have put something on there.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it because it's not shown up on
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: my feed, whereas years ago before Facebook, Right, Chris normally
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: has the podcast out now two or three times a week,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: sometimes twice a day. Christhrow dot com have a quick look. Well,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: they've done its very clever by introducing these platforms. They
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: have encouraged people to ditch owning their own little space
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: of the Internet, which was their personal website. And a
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: guy like me, I'm a hypocrite because I have a website,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: but I don't do anything with it. The layout system
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: for the richie alachu is there, but I don't put
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: any content on there. You see. So yeah, the algorithms
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: are excuse me, fucking you and will continue to fuck you.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: And I don't know the answer to that. I really don't.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, I stream lives the riche ant streams life
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: a platform that is run by some guys in a hull,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: and they designed an app for me, So have an app.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: And for the time being anyway, there's very little that
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: anybody can do to mess with that, you know. So
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: if you want to listen to the live show, you
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: can listen to the live show. It's the same when
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: you go live. If people know it's there, they can
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: watch it live. But I think the next big thing,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Chris and I don't want to be pessimistic, but I'm
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: going to be anyway is the algorithms is for now
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: making the content disappear or hard to find. The next
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: thing will be going after your right to stream. That's
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: the next thing challenging your right to actually stream, and
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: the challenge will be on the basis that, well, what
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: you're doing might be harmful, might be harmful for people,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: therefore we might be better off if you didn't stream live.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's coming this year or next year,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: but it's certainly on the horizon. I think there's some
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: of my own listeners, when they watch this later on
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: your channel, he'll be like richie'd been all shitting about
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: this for years. He's been saying that they're going to
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: go after the streamers, but I think they will. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: think they'll go after the hosts, and they'll say, you
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: host Chris throw dot com, you host Richie Allen, shouldn't
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: do that because this guy is dangerous. So that's going
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: to be the next challenge I think to overcome when
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: it comes to censorship and stuff. You know, but of
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: course they're screwing with your algorithms. Of course, there there'll
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: be content that isn't nearly as well produced as yours,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: that isn't as well put together as yours, and you'll
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: see three hundred views of it and it's just fucking garbage.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: But it's taken a very definite point of view that content,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: and it suits those who control the platforms to push it,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: so they push it. As Tommy Robinson strike you has
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: been a particularly intelligent human being and it's unfair to
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: pick on him all the time. But there are others,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: and yeah, there's an appetite out there for that sort
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: of talk about migration, but it's also being hugely pushed
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: by X well. A lot of other stuff is being
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: dialed down and being hi, yeah, or what to do?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, It's all about that. When you see these stories,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: you just see how much division they they they they create. Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: what I was saying is I really admire that you've
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: got your own show and that you I mean, just
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: to just to finish off about the YouTube thing is yeah,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I used to talk to a lot of military guys.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: It was easy for me to do because I've got
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the contact, you know, I've just got the military connection.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: And I always used to whenever I was talking about
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the military, say to the youngsters, look, you know, if
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: you're going to want to join the Marines like I did,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I was living in a car when I joined the Marine.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: I was homeless for the second time in my life.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: And you know, it was an incredible achievement for someone
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: who was told he was a failure at every everything
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: and always someone I'll be intensely proud of. But I
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: see it for what it is now, you know, I
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: see that structure for what it is. But you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: still still proud, Still got a great bunch of brothers
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: around me. But I always say, lads, if you're thinking
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: of joining now and you've got the internet, you've got
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the ability to look at what happened in New York
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and Washington. Then years back, you've got the ability, you know,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: to see what they did in the Middle East to
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: innocent people that never done nothing to this country. You
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: know you can do We couldn't do that back then.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: We were just told we're the good, good guys and
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: we signed on the line. So I always said, you know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: if you're join in the military, please don't say you're
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: doing it for freedom and democracy, because it's like literally
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the complete opposite. But had I had I had no
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: moral value, Richie, I'd be a millionaire. Now as I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: sit speaking to you, I wouldn't be speaking to you
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: because you're not military. I'd be having some And the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: reason I walked away from it is I just saw
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: that horrible like holding the military in such high esteem
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: in compared to the reality of what the military really is.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And during that medical nonsense, the fact what they did
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: to their own people. I couldn't be a part of that.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: That's there's nothing you know. I never none of us
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: ever called ourself heroes anyway. That's an American thing because
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: after Vietnam, no one wanted war anymore, you know, so
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: they had to come up with the bullshit Rambo films
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: to make people fall in love with a soldier again,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: So they did it through the soldier's story rather than
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: focus on the on the big war right.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: On the impact of wars on civilian population.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and this is why we're now in a
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: culture of thank you for your servicer and people that
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: have been brainwashed by playing a game into thinking this
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: is somehow gets you validation in life. So anyway, all
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I was trying to say is that's why you know
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I moved away from it, and I I have no regrets.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: What's what you know? It served its purpose. I'm not
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: a millionaire now and I don't have hundreds of thousands
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: of subs because you know, kids come first for me, Richie,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I'm a father then they It's just that simple.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But what I wanted to say is what was it
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: an easy move then? Because YouTube it's a platform. You
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: just got to put your avatar up and hit hit
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: go live and ching paw pain. You're there?
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: What did it involve to go independent?
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Very little really for anybody who wants to stream audio
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: and not video. The card it's very straightforward. Really. Having
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: a website obviously helps, and then finding a streaming host.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: There are millions of them. I initially went with Showcast,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: which are one of the most well known. I suppose
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: they're based in California, And what they did then at
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: the very beginning was I bought a very basic mixing
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: disc because they didn't have any money at the beginning,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: So about a Bearringer mixing desk. I think about a
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: road mike, which was a decent mic, and a couple
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: of computers, a little bit of software, and then began
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: broadcasting live initially at eight pm in the evenings and
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: telling as many people as I could that it was
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: there if they wanted to hear it, and they could
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: go on my website and listen to it at the
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: time way back and the great David Ike. David was
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: very kind and he put the link to the stream
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: on his own website, so it was there on David's homepage,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: and effectively then I was in internet radio presenter really
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: and I had a schedule Monday to Thursday at eight
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: pm and then I would do a news talk show
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: on a Sunday morning that was very very basic and
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: very simple. And the streaming costs initially weren't that expensive.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Streaming becomes more expensive the more Eventually the more well
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: known a show becomes or or more popular, because you
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: need more and more bandwidth. So my streaming costs today
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: would be excessive now, you know, more than people might imagine. So,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: but yet it is pretty straightforward. Really, It's very uncomplicated
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: for me because I'm radio. I am audio only. This
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: morgeous mug. You can't see this when I'm on air,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: thank god, right, because it's radio, it's audio, and it's
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: not very expensive. If anybody wants to start doing something
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: like that. It's pretty straightforward really. These days, road they've
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: come out with some wonderful bits of equipment, like little
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: boxes like this size with four channels. It's all very clean,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: clean signals. You can get a road mic and again
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: just find somebody to stream it for you and kind
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: of bothers your uncle. So yeah, at the beginning twelve
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: nearly twelve years ago, because it was twenty fourteen when
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I started as an independent. Now in twenty twenty six,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: my setup is far more sophisticated than it was when
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I started. You know, I'm kind of higher end now,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: it's it's kind of BBC standard equipment in this studio
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: here where I am now and soldiered. But yeah, it's mad. Really.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I had an offer to do breakfast radio for a
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: big commercial station owned by Global, and I was about
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: to take it because I was on my arse any money.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: And my partner Caroline said to me, don't take the money.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Don't do the breakfast show because you'll be fired pretty
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: quickly because you'll say something, or you will try to
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: interview somebody or something, or you just get tired of it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: So go out on your own. So I went out
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: on my own, and that's where I've been ever since. Really.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Monday to Thursday ear viewer five pm, Richie Allan dot
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: co dot UK. Shameless plug, Chris, shameless plug. But yeah,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: and Sunday mornings at ten.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: It's not shameless because you've got a lovely way about you, Richie,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: and you're because I wrote The Atlantic with Louis.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: It just he loves your show, you know, and there
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: must be so many people like that that look forward
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: to it at five o'clock, you know, get the headphones
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: on the way home and yeah, just no.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: It's a bit of an oasis, Chris. Do you know
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: that the show became a bit of an oasis? In
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty because it was the only live kind of See,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: my show is very mainstream sounding, right, so it's got mainstream.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: This sounds like I'm boasting. I'm not. It's not production
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: values of BBC Radio. It sounds like you'd expect a
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: radio show to sound because that's my background. And in
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty, when things were really shit, effectively the show
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: became a bit of an oasis for people in lockdown
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: because they knew, well, at five o'clock, I can switch
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: on that show, the Richie Allen Show, and I mightn't
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: agree with some of what Richie says, but he's at
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: least going to have men and women on there who
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: are challenging, you know, the narrative, challenging the lockdowns, the
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: vaccines and all of that. So I didn't realize kind
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: of again, there's not any boasting here. There isn't. I
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: didn't realize how important it was, you know, until I
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: started in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. I'd be
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: out and about and I go to Liverpool for the day.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: People come up to me and they'd be like Jesus,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: it was so important and it still is that we
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: could turn it on and we realized that we weren't
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: going mad. You know, we had that kind of every day.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: So I think it's retained that the show is a
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: little bit of an oasis. I think, you know, it's
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: a live radio show, and there aren't too many. There
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: are a lot of brilliant podcasts, no ars kissing here,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: this one included. There are a lot of brilliant and
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: you do lives and all of that, which is fantastic,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: but actual old school radio that you know, same time
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: every day. There's not watching that around Chris and mine
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: is I suppose there, and it kind of stands out
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: because there aren't very many kind of people doing it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I wish people would do it, and I do mean this,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I wish more people would do it. And you know,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: scatter around the time. I've not been able to keep
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: the eyes off the cat, to be honest, for most
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: of the conversation. I see him there. Well, I wish
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: more would do it. And you know that you'd have
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: shows in the morning, you have shows at lunchtime, you
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: have shows in the evening with presenters who are experienced
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: and they know what they're doing. Well, it seems that
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: people are moving away from audio. There's definitely a move
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: towards video. Video is a big deal because you can
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: clip it up for socials and all of that. I
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: totally get it. I'm not knocking in, well, I'm going
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: to be all school to today. I die. I'm never
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: gonna do video. I do radio, and I'll tell you why,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: and I'll shut up then, because it is so intimate,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: and that intimacy I think helps. I think we absorb
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: more of what is being said, and we engage more
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: with it when we're listening to it, more than when
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: we're watching it. Right. That might be controversial for some people,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: but that's my old radio kind of hat. I love radio.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I think when you're listening to radio, and it's such
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: an individual thing radio, we listen to radio alone. We
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: don't listen in groups. We listen alone. You have your
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: headphones thing. You might be out for a walk or
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: a run, and I think you pick up more, you
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: engage more, And I just wish more people were doing it,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: but it is what it is.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I get the thing about the concentration.
• 46:22
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• 46:57
  Speaker 2: At the beginning of a live stream, I said, folks
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: ignored today's thumb now, I just had to chuck something
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: up hopefully you know, click clicked your attention don't And
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: then the comment comes in, Oh this thumb now, I
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: oh god, do you not actually like watch or listen
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: to the video? But what about the time in them?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Because that's another thing, because my you know, my family
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: come home half past three. I made a sort of
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: dedication Richie that I want to be finished with all
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: this shit by then, and I just want to even
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: if we just go and watch Talley together or eat
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: food that that. But I also it comes in my
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: mind that, ah, maybe a daily six o'clock show would
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: be better when everyone's at home and they're having a
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: glass of what And I wanted to ask you, was
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: it a pain in the ass having to work four
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: days a week at eight o'clock in the evening, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: has it been better for you to bring it back
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: to five?
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, The ideal time for the live Ook show
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: is mid evening seven eight o'clock. Of course it is.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: And there, while my listening numbers have kind of steadily
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: grown year on year, there's no doubt that engagement was
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: higher in terms of active listeners. So for your viewers
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: who don't know what active listeners means, an active listener
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: is somebody who will participate, somebody who will send the
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: message in, somebody who will phone up if given a chance.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: That's an active listener. Most listeners are passive. They just listen,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: they won't get involved. Yeah, it was certainly. It was
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: also easier to produce the show because I had more
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: time during the day. The deadline was extended, But it
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: meant that my partner Caroline and myself we were passing
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: each other like ships in the night, rating and we
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: didn't have any time together. And I remember the day
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, probably nearly three years ago. Now,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: when I told Caroline I was moving it to five
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: to seven, she actually cried. I was really taking a
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: black point. She actually cried, and I said, wow, I
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: said this obviously this is important, and she said, yeah,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: because we're going to get to spend time together. Or
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: nearly she come home from work five thirty, six o'clock,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: she gets in from the city center. I'm buried up
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: to my eyes in researching my guests that evening, or
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: I'm still scrambling for content to get on air for
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: eight o'clock, and then other time I'm done ten o'clock,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: half ten, she's about ready to go to bed. You know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: she's getting up at five thirty in the morning. So yeah,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: it yeah, kind of bittersweet. Really, it's the right thing
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: to do for my personal life. But for no holds
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: barred talk radio, later in the evening is obviously a
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: better time to do it. Know, this is the reason
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: why on commercial stations, the talk shows that are no
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: holds barred, if you can say that about commercial radio,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: but they're on at the nine, ten, even eleven o'clock
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: in the evening. Well, it's better for me in terms
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: of the relationship and I suppose for my if I
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: dare to use the term mental well being, it's better
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: for me to do it at dinner time, at tea time,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: and then have that time in the evening. Chris, he
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: has a great question that thought. Yeah, now I have
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: a great question here.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I think of these things. Is it easy? How do
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: people leave comments when your shows on?
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: What?
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: What medium do they use?
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll have a very sexy app, Chris on the
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: teventh straight. He's going to edit all this out later on, Chris,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: He's not going to give me any of these three plugs.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Do you think I've got time to do editing?
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: I love it. That's what I'm banking on that you
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: don't have time. So I have an app. It's on
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: there and when you pick on my app, you get
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: this and hear it says message to the studio.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: All you've got to do is press that leave a message.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: It brings up a screen. You can send me a
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: message and it arrives on my screen immediately. So my
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: app was built by the company in Hull is called
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Broadcast Radio. They're a company in Hull that they build
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: radio solutions for commercial usually for community stations or for
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: commercial radio stations, so they'll put in your desks, they'll
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: build all of that. They're great guys, really, they're big
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: free speech guys as well, which is great. And they
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: built me this little lap and I pay a fee
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: for it every month, but it's really nominal. Really, it's
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: not that expensive, and it's marvelous because if you download it,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: you press it, and when you press it, my show
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: comes on and then you can send me a message instantly.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: It's really cheap and cheerful. It's not the sexiest staff ever,
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: but it just works, you see. So that's been a
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: big deal really, So the engagement is good. I mean
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I any given day only to Thursday, I'd be disappointed
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: if I didn't have at least a couple of hundred
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: messages coming in, individual messages, which is good. You know,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: like we're not the BBC. We're not getting thousands, but
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: a couple of hundred messages coming in. And you know,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: over the years, it's evolved to where the people sending
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: in messages, they're always thoughtful and carefully thaw out messages,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: like even when they're telling me I'm full of crap,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: you know, because I might offer an opinion during the monologue.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I might say what I believe and they come at
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: me and go it's a load of bollocks, start Richie,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: But they'll say why. I'll give me a counterpoint and
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: I love reading them and it's a bit of a
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: highlight of the show actually, James and weatherb you know
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Paul in Leeds, Richie, what a load of answers that was.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you why, you know? So my show
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: is very interactive, thank god, and I work hard to
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: make it interactive. You know, there's a WhatsApp number where
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: people can send in messages as well or lead voice
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: messages if they want so, Yeah, it's cool.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Chris are you Are you governed by any like census shit?
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Is there anything you're not allowed to talk about or
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: you have to be careful about or is it totally independent?
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: That's a brilliant question. I'm not regulated, so independent operators
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: like me and you, we are not regulated by Offcome.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: So Oftcome for your viewers might be outside the UK.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Offcome is the media regulator in the UK, and amazingly
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: and touch Wood, they haven't yet come after the independence.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: All that I'm bound by really is criminal law or
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: common law. So I can't allow somebody come on my
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: program and inside violence. I wouldn't allow it anyway, Why
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: would I write? I would have to be very careful
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: about defamation and libel. So over the years, one or
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: two people have begun to make claims on the live
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: show about people that are not really in evidence, and
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: through experience I can see that coming right and during
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: the live conversation, I can say, listen, hang on a second,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: we're not going there. That is in censorship, Chris. That's
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: kind of covering your own horse, you know what I mean.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: So you think somebody is a pedofile, well you're not
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: naming them because that person hasn't been arrested. They haven't
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: been charged, so we don't know they're a pedophile. Now,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: if they get convicted of it, you can come on
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: and you can sing it if you want, if they're
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: convicted of it. But in the meantime, you can say
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: it on My Life radio show. You've not got any money,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe you don't. They're not going to sue. You're
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: going to sue me because it's my platform, it's my
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: so libel though, obviously I have to pay attention to
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: and just just kind of I apply it kind of
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: a common decency approach to the show. You know, if
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: you came on with me today and I know, I
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: know you wouldn't do what. You're a nice guy and
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: you had a pop at somebody, not libel, not defamation,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: but you just got to go with somebody. That guy
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: I don't like him or whatever. My next call after
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: the live show is to the guy who you've mentioned
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: to say, Chris Throller is just giving you a proper
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: kicking on the show today. Would you like ride of reply?
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Do you want to come on, you know, adapt to
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: respond to Chris, or do you want to give me
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: a statement that I can kind of read out. It's
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: kind of common decency, really, Chris. You know, but we're
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: not regulated by the media. But again, they'll be pessimistic, Chris.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine they're going to let us get away
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: with it for too much longer. Yeah, you know that
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: being said, Yeah, I'm not being said. I don't have
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: anything to fear from a media regulator, because I'd like
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: to think that I do what I do properly, I
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: do it professionally, So what I really have to worry about.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: But of course I'm being naive like if they insist
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: that we get a license, and they might do so,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: they might say to you in the future, Chris, you
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: have to have a license to go up to live stream.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: You know, you can't just and you'll say, all right,
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: then I'll pay the sixty pounds whatever it is for
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: the license. But once your license, they can find some
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: very exotic ways of finding you to be in breach
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: of the license. Chris. This is the worry, you see,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: And then they can start saying, well, find or even suspensions.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: So at the moment, no regulator. But maybe in the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: near future with their head speech lows and everything else,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe I don't know.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: I remember Joe Rogan back in here earlier days chatted
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: one of his guests and he said, God, you know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: on the mainstream media, they they're so regulated. They've got
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: to apologize for this. And then he said, we can
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: say what the we want on this show. Well I
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: think that that didn't last very long, did it.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: No? No, because you can say whatever you want on
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: any live stream so long as it is true and
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: so long as it is demonstrably true. But you can't
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: say something about anybody if it isn't proven. Like I
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: fell out of my listeners over Joey Bart. I think
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Joey Bart is an interesting character. I don't know him personally.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Strikes me as being a little bit dim. You can't
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: just tweet that somebody is a bike nonce. You can't
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: just accuse a national, a syndicated radio and television presenter
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: of being a nonced and expect that you can just
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: get away with it. No, no, no, you're going to
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: suffer man. He's going to go straight to probably that
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: firm in London. I had some with them years ago.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Somebody accused me a decade or so ago of somebody
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: accused me of thinking the People's voice television. Somebody said
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: denied something to do with spending the money bad or
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: something stupid like that. Anyway, and I went to Carter
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: Rook Carter Rook and I had them send that person
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: as a lister's letter to say, if you mentioned Richie
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Allen again and money, you know, we'll we'll take you
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: to the cleaners. I'll take your underpats, I'll take everything
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: right anyway. That was that, So skip forward to Joey Barton.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Jeremy Vine goes straight to Carter Rope. He's called me
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: a nuns, and Jeremy Vine isn't the nuns. He might
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: be one of the smarmiest, most ann iron ursels that
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: ever stood in front of the camera. He's not, he's
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: not He's not pedophile. So don't say that unless you've
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: got so much money that you're not going to miss
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: a couple of million, because you're going to get done.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: And it's the same for guys like us. You can't
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: allow it. I remember there was a guy who wanted
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: to come on one time and he wanted to call
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: the then heir to the throne a pedophile, and I said, yeah,
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: the evidence that he's a pedophile. He's like, well, well
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: he was a frontled lots of friends people who worked
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: at the BBC. Are the old pedophiles? No, all right,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: then you're not staying on my show or you're just
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: an establishment insider. Richie? What because I don't want to
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: get sued because you call the heir to the throne
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: a pedophile on my show? Are you kidding me? Get
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: your own platform and say it. Ah. It was like
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: years ago. There was a woman I'll name her, doesn't matter, well,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: I won't name her, it doesn't matter either way. But
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: she was working at the television project in London, and
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: I had a bit of clout there because I am
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: altously in experienced mainstream broadcaster. And this woman had a
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: show and she wanted to bring a guy on, and
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: the guy was going to say that the McCann's murdered
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: their own daughter on a live show. And I said,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: you're not doing that. And there was murders. There was
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: murders over this, proper murders. What do you mean what team?
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: I said, you are not bringing that guy on to
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: a live show to accuse the mccans of doing anything.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: I don't care what you suspect, what you think, what
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: you believe, It ain't happening because the minute that show
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: goes out, the meccans are on the line that they're
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: solicitor and their little television project is gone. It's over
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: because they're going to take us to the cleaners. You know.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: But you get a bit of that in the independent media.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: You know people who who think that, you know, you
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: should be able to say anything or make any accusation
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: about anybody, But no, not unless it's true. You can
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: say whatever you like so long as you can prove
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: it to be true. Outside of that no, stay it
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: on your own platform and you deal with it.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Have you had many guests while you're alive and it's
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: gone really wrong.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: In terms of we've had arguments. Oh yeah, we've had
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: some proper kickoffs on the show. Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. Yeah,
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: but the kickoffs don't posit. I love a good robust
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: debate and unfair me. I don't try to dominate. So
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: when it gets a bit hairy, like I did interview
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Kevin Barrett quite a bit recently about Israel about Palestine,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: and I agree with most of what Kevin says, but
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: it's my job to challenge him, and it gets fairly hairy, like,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: it gets fairly personal even at times. But I don't dominate.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not a bully. So I'll have a go and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: then I'll sit back and say, all right, now you
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: have yours say so. I love about that. Where it's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: potting Harry over the years is when people have an
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: agenda and they want to accute somebody of something. That's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: when it gets nicy for me, Chris, because that's where
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: I could be in serious trouble now, you know, because
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: once they say it on your show, the victim of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: the decimation can sue three parties. They can sue the presenter,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: they can see the producer, and they can see the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: person who said it. But if the person who says
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: it has no money, they look at the person who
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: has facilitated it and they can come after you. So
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: my hairy moments over the years have been when people
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: have been very agitated about something very personal to them
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: and they've started to drop names in. I've got to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: very quickly pull the failure down. You know, he listen.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: Can't have that because I don't know who you're talking about.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is that you're saying, so
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: I can't have it. And then later on people, as
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: I've already said, people will say, ah, you're censoring them, Richie. No,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not censoring them. They can say it anywhere else
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: they like, they ain't saying it here unless they have proof.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: That's when it comes down to Chris. It's a bit
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: of basic journalism, isn't it. Yeah, tell me what you
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: want to tell me, but show me some proof first
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: and then you can say it. Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: It's a tough one that though, isn't it, Because I, Yeah,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: you know two people that come up in my show
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: quite a lot, Tom Anks and Steven Spielberg and anyone
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: that's I think that they say. Now, anyone that's been noticing, yeah,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: will have noticed that there's certain things that it's almost
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: like categorically they're going on. But of course you can't
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: pin something to someone, especially when they've got the whole
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: like cabitalistic infrastructure backing them up.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: This amazing you said this. You won't know this, but
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: I was the first guy with any sort of reasonable
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: platform to interview Isaac Cappy, remember him, Ah, Isaac Cappy.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: My interview with him is still on podcasts wherever anybody
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: gets their podcast. I interviewed Cappy and I'm not again
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: what I said before anybody else. I'm not bragging. It's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: because it was so long ago. Happy reached out to
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: me and he said, I've worked in production on certain
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: films and that, and I said great. And he sent
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: me his CV or his resume as he would have
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: called it, and he was telling the truths. He'd worked
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: extensively in Hollywood, and he told me is that a
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: number of a listeners and also a number of very
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: well known producers were pasting children around effectively. And he
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: said this to me, and he said, I'd like to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: say it on the program. And because of the fact
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: that he was able to prove his background, and because
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: he was looseid and in intelligent, I said, okay, you
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: can come on. I should have pre recorded, which was
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: very unusual for me, not to be professional. I should
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: have pre recorded, but I brought him on live anyway,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: and he was desperate to name one very very famous actor.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: But during the live show I was able to kind
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: of hold him off, and he he was very good
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Isaac because he honored his pledge. He said, all right.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: I did say I wouldn't drop names, but he told
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: me stories, actual stories of things that went on in
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: the house, was out naming the people involved. And all
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: I could say to him really was, has this been
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: reported to the LAPD, you know, hasn't been Has this
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: been shared with the obviously the big news networks in America?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, this stuff has been sent
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: to the police, It has been sent to news networks,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: but nobody wants to touch it. And he was good.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: And the interview lasted about an hour and Jesus and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: of course I got a lot of the big response
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: from people because we would have listeners in America, So
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: listeners were coming in from New York. They were saying,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: we always suspected it. And then a couple of years
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: after Isaac came on I think Adam twice, he supposedly
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: took a header off the Golden Gap pridgidently supposedly.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: It was a freeway. It was a freeway over us. Yeah,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: did you I'm not guessing you probably did, But did
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: you see his kill switch?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Tell me about this, because I've heard various accounts of this.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: What what? What? What do you know of this?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: So I know quite a lot now because because of
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: the nature of what I do, I have to investigate
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: little avenues here there, and there's some stuff that I'm
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: really open minded. Richie. I never put all the chips
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: on one square unless it's like with me, it's got
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: to be nosis. You've got to get that sense where
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: you you know, Otherwise, like you say, it's speculation.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: And but.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: So he said, if anything ever happens to me, I've
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: got a kill switch. I'm going to release this video.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: And unless I'm putting two and two together and coming
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: up with five, I think the video that I saw
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: was it. It wasn't at the of the rating that
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: would like if you got caught watching it, you'd get
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: locked up and put in jail obviously.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: But basically it.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Looked like a Turkish anyone that's ever been for a
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Turkish bath which I we the family did in Turkey
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: when we were there a couple of years back, and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: they have this, like mark, it's not a marble slab,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: it's like a tiled structure in a tiled bathroom basically,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: and you go and because they're slopping mud on you
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: and all this, they you know, it all can be
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: washed off and da da dad. Well they had that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: kind of scenario. But suddenly in it appeared all these
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: smalls dressed in bathing costumes from what I remember, and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: they all started to like they all had a role.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: They one was getting the water and one was cleaning
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: off this. And the insinuation was it was, you know,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: a massage parlor star and all the stuff. But more
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: than that, there was a film made by the MOUTHI Buddha,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: and it was about the glove incident. So a certain
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: actor I'm going to follow your suit here and not
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: name him, but everybody knows the person, you know, Spielberg
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: is the mouth of the Big Club, the cabalistic lie
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Big Spielberg. There's always a guy that he tries to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: get in his films when they're brainwashing people even more
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: on the Second World War narrative that they you know,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: can't let that one go, can they gotta keep gotta
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: keep cementing that one. And so anyway, this guy was
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: putting random things on his Twitter account and they tended
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: to be items found on the street. So it'd be
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: like a shoe, a baby's dummy, and in this instance
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: it was a glove, and there'd always be some kind
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: of crypt tick right up or not necessarily quick, but
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: it didn't. It was kind of like you know, who's
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: my dummy, you know, or the shoes on the other foot.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: And it was signed off with this guy's signature. And
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: one time he took a photo with his glove and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: sprayed onto the pavement. Richie was like one of those
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: things like when they're you know, when they fix potholes
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: and they come and put a spray around it and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: they put a little number on there that only they
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: know what it means, and you know that kind of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: building thing that goes on. Well, there was this number
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: on the pavement next to it. And what this person
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: had worked out is if you typed that number into
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: yandex the search engine, it came up with a load
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: of stuff that you shouldn't be fucking looking at, you know.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: And and it was at that moment where this celebrity
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: was just dropped. His ex account didn't make any more posts,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: I believe him and his partner then moved to Greece,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: of all places. There was a diff in his career
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: for certainly, for like a couple of years, he went
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: from being like probably the world's biggest, biggest selling actor.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I can't struggle, you know, he want tom cruise, but
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: it was up there, and now he's kind of gradually
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: like filter back in again.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: And so it was.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: And also, yeah, everyone remembers certain basketball with a certain
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: handprint on it. That handprint now has become I think
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: the word is synonymous with a certain sign of something
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: called frazzle drip, which is and this is allegedly for
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: me now because I wouldn't put my money that this
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: is going on. But I also seen some fucking weird
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: stuff on this planet. Rich you know, I know, I
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: know what people are like. People buy into all kind
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: of weird. Now, why would they not buy into Satanism?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Think ritualistic abuse is a thing. I have no doubt.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Over the years, I've had people come on who claim
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: to be victims of it. I got to know a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: lady years ago, very credible woman, Australian. I think her
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: name was Sandra fect Fecht. So Sandra came on with
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: me a few times, and she had treated the victims
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: of ritualistic abuse. And again I would have challenged Sandra,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: you know, I would have said, well, you know, you
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: give us some evidence here, and why do you believe it?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: And maybe it's a moral panic and all of this,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: But her answers are always very good and very credible,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: and she kind of more than anybody, convinced me that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: it was a real thing. But David, to be fair,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: going back twenty five thirty years, David I had been
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: visited by people victim of s or A and told
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: David the most horrendous things. And to be fair to David,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: in his early in some of his early books, he
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: would have included some of these accounts that he'd had
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: from people or they trusted him to preserve their you know,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: anonymity to not named them publicly, So I have no
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: doubt that it's gone on. And I don't know. You
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: could be very simplistic about it. Maybe when people have
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: outlandish fortunes money, property, everything, everything they want on tap,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: and that includes Class A drugs, everything on tap whatever.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe for some people having sex with twenty one year
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: old Russian beauties, maybe eventually that doesn't deal for you anymore.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe you're pushing and pushing and pushing. I have no
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: idea how people are introduced to this type of stuff.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's horrific to me. I heard stuff
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: on the Richie Allen Show, things told to me by
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: people unimaginable. I would mention them here now. The acts
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: of depravity committed against people and children. That something I
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: wanted to last. When somebody would say it comething to
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: me on the show like that, I think that can't be.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Nobody could do that to somebody else. But then, as Sandra,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: the psychotherapist said to me, when people around the world
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: start saying this stuff, the therapist Richie and these people
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: don't know one another. They don't know each other, they
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: haven't compared notes and developed a story. This is a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: victim in New Zealand telling a psychotherapist something that somebody
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: is telling a psychotherapist and buenez Aires the same type
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: of story. Well, they're not making it upright, they're not
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: imagining this stuff. This stuff is actually going on, you know,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Hemingway said, didn't be I don't know if he ever
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: wrote about it, but Hemingway talked about this is a rumor.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: It's rumored that Hemingway told people that elites in Africa
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: would hunt people for sport when they got tired of
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: hunting animals. Now, that might be mild compared to what
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Satanic ritual abuse ofs have said to an innocent Irish.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Boy like me.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: What hunting people? I mean to me, it's bad enough
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: hunting a rhinoceros for sport. I can understand hunting for food.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Do you understand it? You shoot a deer and then
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: you eat the meat, and you use the skin and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: you you you do something with the animal. There's a logic,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: there's there's a process to it. There's I can understand it,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: even if I don't like it, or to be hunting people.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: And some of the stuff I heard on the show over.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: The year totally can the mentalness, the insanity to shoot
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: a beautiful animal? That shows you how amazing. That shows
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: you how mental people are so easily, I believe. Can
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: I just say sorry, Richard may say when I'm looking
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: over it's because I'm showing people what's on this other screen.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Oh listen, I don't get I do the same, and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: I'm on air when when when when guests are talking
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: to me, And also, like you might when you're on me,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: you might mention something, I'll be typing it as to
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: kind of check it out.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I was just showing the the the glove.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to show all of the code because
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want people going and typing it into yandex.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: That was the picture, folks, And just to save confusion,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: that's me and my lad in the picture. Just no
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: one thinks that. But yeah, Richie, you've been awesome. I
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: know you need to get away. You're a busy man.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: You've got to show too.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'll tell you what that's floorn by Jesus.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mate, I chatted all afternoon.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Can we well, I'll pick it up again the thread
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: that we've been on. Let's pick it up on my show.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: Really well, I know you're up to your You're up
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: to your eyes with the Everest mission, you mad bastard.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: You Yeah, well, we were talking about that one where
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: you were saying, friends, Can I just say I'm summating
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Everest in a couple of months time. I'm doing it
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: to shine a light for those veterans out there who,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: like me, leave the forces and then the trauma catches
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: up with them. For the most part, I would say,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: this is childhood trauma and it's not being spoke about.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: So my mission is to shout, to use my platform
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: to shout from the top of Everest, let's start talking
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: about childhood trauma. Because, as people know, I lost. I
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: didn't tell you this, Richie, but I'm just showing a
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: picture here of my buddy Craig. Craig Folks was supposed
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: to row the Atlantic with me and Louie and he
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: was in our We were in Isabelle. Our sister boat
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: was called Danielle, and Craig was on that crew and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: they never ended up going. In the end, it was
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: a fundraising issue and later on that year, Craig left
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: an awful message on Facebook saying basically, hello friends, it's
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: been a blast, but by the time you read this,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: I'll no longer be with you. And then he went
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: and killed himself down I think he was in Spain,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: and it was awful. The response to that Facebook post
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: was thousands of people saying, mate, don't do it, pick
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: up the funk, come, come and stay with us, come
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: and speak with you. And I'm telling you, Richie, he
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: was a lovely, lovely bloke and this right. And he
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: specifically said in his thing, he highlighted three people and
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: he said this is because of them. Basically I'm paraphrasing now,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: but basically they they He wanted these people to have
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: his back and they'd let him. You know, I don't
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: know if this was like a scam, scamdemic thing or
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: but and he had felt obviously ostracized. But that's just three.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: That's your childhood trauma rearing up and you're overbearing parent
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: or you're absent father, going no, I told you, you're
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: no good. I told you, and we Unless we recognize this,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: everyone's going to keep saying, oh, that's Afghanistan. It's like, yes,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: you can get traumatized in war, many people do. However, statistically,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: if you get moral injury in war that's because of
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: something you did or something you witnessed. Statistically, you're way
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: more likely to experience it if you've got childhood trauma.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a it's an area Richie,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: thank you. I've been on your show twice now to
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: yeah that's right. Yeah, for the next time to highlight issues.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Well you come on, I mean come on before you
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: said if you want, and certainly when when you come
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: back an island corridge or listeners aren't.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Well, let's make radio surey, maybe we can have a
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: running commentary because you know, we've got a trek to
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: base camp.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's it's about twelve thousand feet?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Is it in feet? I'm not too good at that
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: at the minute, but meters base camps around five and
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: a half thousand ish might be a bit less in
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: the summit's nine thousand meters.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: So obviously twenty nine thousand feet, isn't it? Yes?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, Yes, I was. I's thinking, rich
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: you're getting one of those like autitude tents that you
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: could buy, but they're only really rated to six thousand,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: some of them, say seven thousand, and even one guy
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: that was selling one when Chris they're not. They're not
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: all they're rated to be. Basically, if you spent all
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: your time in it and you were doing your fizz
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: your exercise, you might get some benefit, right, yeah, but
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: whether you keep that benefit after a ten day yomp
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: to the mountain any way, where you're then going to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: be living at five thousand meters for maybe another week
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: or two. So I've decided to what do they call it?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Raw dog? It just go from sea level in Plymouth
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: straight to But you said that, didn't you? You These
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: kind of things appear crazy to people.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I was asking you jokingly. Do you
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: have a funny moment of buyer's remorse at any time,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: you know, where you might be outrunning, because you will
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: be doing a lot of running, and you'll be doing
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of cardio work, and during the course which
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: you might think, what did I sign up to this for?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: I'm just still going to do it? Well, you just
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: have a moment where you just it's almost having a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: laugh at yourself, like why do I put myself in
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: these situations? You know?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's such a good question, Richie. But the
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: funny thing is, like, I'm just one of these people
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: if someone else has done it and they're mister average.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: When I'm missed average too. So I can go and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: do it, can't I? You know, I'm you know, especially
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: with a bit of a Marines mindset, because that's what
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: we do.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: We we don't but you can't be average though you
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: apparently and you're obviously not like to do something like that.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: You are above that bridge.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, put it another way, I think there's probably a
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: fair few average people have been dragged up everage. And
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: when you juxtapose that with a fit ex marine who
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: exercises every day still weighs the weight at fifty six
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: as it did when he was eighteen. And you know,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: I it's not going to be me that's going to
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: let this equation down, right that if the mother bless
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: her doesn't want me up that much, that's that's another thing.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: But so from that perspective, I don't have that issue.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: I'd be more concerned about food poisoning, you know, getting
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: diarrhea an inappropriate moment. And then it's like I'm feeling
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: like when I ran Marathon Discablers, which is a seven
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: day race. You do a marathon a day and one
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: day you do two marathons across the Sahara Desert in Morocco.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: We did it in fifty two degrees heat, right double
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: the heat of when you go on your summer holiday.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I've experienced fifty degrees in Seville. I've experienced what
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: it's like to be and n and that yeah, even
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: more quickly to to even mop your brow.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: I had chronic diarrhea on day one from that, and
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: all I could do is take a couple of emodium
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: and get me running shoes on and go. Richie, I
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: wasn't I wasn't going to I wasn't going to stop.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: No, not not a little bit of a cry.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: I would have cried a little bit if it effected me, mate,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: I I you know, I wouldn't know, to be honest,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: in reality, I wouldn't have cried. And I'll tell you why.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: On the first night, I stood outside our bivouac, which
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: is like this Bedouin tent, berber tent, and the guy
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: opposite drop dead. Sorry I'm not laughing at randomness. And
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: this would be the third time I've been on expedition
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: where somebody with me has just died literally right in
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: front of me.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Because the body had extreme well, it was after all
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: that blood, extreme endurance stuff, isn't it?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: But it was after the nonsense, mate, wasn't it as well?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: That year, the first year they went back and they
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: they insisted everybody have that ship. They had one person die, right,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: but they reckon, this is just under the radar. I'm
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: not accusing them of nothing, but they reckon. It was
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: actually three people and on my one, this fella just
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: dropped and I was looking at him as the medics
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: rushed in, and I was just thinking, his family arm here.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know the guy, and yet I know he's
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: just died. His family don't know anything that's got you
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: know it? Fortunately they got they they jumped, they literally
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: jumped on him. They jabbed him with some you know,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: uppers or whatever it is they do, and they got
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: him back to life. Richie. But that, to me, that's
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: when it gets serious. Me having a bit of diarrhea on.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm not none of that sort of stuff. Like
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: even on Everest, everyone always talks about the bodies. It's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: it's so funny the number of people right in front
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: of my ten year old go, what about all the
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: bodies up there? Luckily he's he's very balanced, my lad,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: and he gets it, you know. And we've had a
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: almost had a little cry with him, as I mentioned earlier,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: you know, because he is he is me and I
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Take the ob he's on board. Yeah.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: Statistically thousands of people have been up there, and statistically
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: very few have died, Richie, despite what the media want
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: you to believe. You know, we're talking like less than
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: three hundred or something. Yeah, and now what with the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: weather prediction, it's so much safer than it used to be.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Say back in the was it in the ninety six
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: disaster when they thought they had a weather window and
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: it just closed in when they were on the peak? Subsequently,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: I think it was eleven eleven people died. So I'm
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: not stupid, you know, I'm I feel this is my time.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: The worst thing is people that don't know you literally
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: writing to tell you how you should live your life
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: when all the reasons you shouldn't be doing this.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: But that's the internet too, isn't it. Yeah, And I
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: just think that people would never say in polite physical company. Yeah,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: people will say to you online. It's it's quite extraordinarily
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: to me, you know, you wouldn't say it to you
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: in in reality online people think they can take it
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: upon themselves to say anything, you know, offer advice on
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: solicited medical advice. I get it all the time, you know,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: from people who have silly aliases, silly aliases. You know,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: a Big dig twenty twenty two telling you how you
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: should treat your flu. You know what I mean. I'm
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: sure him is Big Dick twenty twenty two and you're
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: using a stupid avatar. Oh the fuck you have to
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: give me advice and fucking flu.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's the funny thing is they always it's them
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: living out their childhood trauma. They don't realize they're living
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: in their egos. They've made up this structure of how
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: and also it reeks of envy, you know. And it's
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: always the same. It's like, what are you doing climbing
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: them out and leaving all your rubbish up And I'm like, well,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: that's illegal. You're not allowed to leave anything on ever risk.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Everything has to come back down, including you know, the
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: do doo you. Secondly, they say, oh, you're dragging a
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: poor sherpa up there, and he you know, he's got
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: to do this. It's like no, and every and every
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Sherpa is like the equivalent of a rock and roll
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: star in the pool. You are taking them from obscurity,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: not only giving them the amount of money that they
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: it would take them ten years to earn. But you know,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: and you're climbing as a partnership. I know that they
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: drag some people up and it's a business at the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: end of it, but they won't be dragging me up there, Richie.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I can tell you that I'll be carrying, you know,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: my fair share. I'll be doing a cooking, melting the water.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: That's just and then it's like the bodies yet everyone,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: No one's getting out of ere life folks, you know.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: And it's never going to happen to me, I tell
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: you that now. But even if it did, I'd rather
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: up there than it would be what me watching strictly
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: come dancing, you know, or walking in front of a
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: bus or something. And the other one is why don't
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: you climb K two. That's a real mountain. No, I
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: want to walk up Everest. It's piss easy. Clearly. If
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: loads of people can do it, I can do it.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not a mountaineer. I don't want to be. Yes,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: I'm a complete fraudulent faker. I'm so totally happy with that.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: But do you know what I do. I set my
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: dreams in this life and I just go and smash them,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: every single one. I'm not an I'm not an Atlantic rower,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: but I skip it a boat across the Atlantic recently.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not the world's most switched on soldier,
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  Speaker 2: but I passed out with the rum Rines commandos. Do
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? It's it's like I did seven.
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  Speaker 3: We live in proof really of the importance of the mind. Really,
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  Speaker 3: I think you are like you can tap into parts
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  Speaker 3: of your mind, of your brain, of your consciousness and
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  Speaker 3: find things that are maybe open to most people, but
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  Speaker 3: they don't tap into these potentials and abilities. You manage
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  Speaker 3: to do it. Because it's no laughing matter rowing across
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  Speaker 3: the Atlantic. I mean, you don't have to have done it. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't to know that. It's no laughing matter. It
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  Speaker 3: takes enormous amount of composure and mental strength and determination
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  Speaker 3: to do it. And it'll be the same when you
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the way you've described walking up Everest, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's not going to be a breeze. It's going to
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  Speaker 3: be difficult, you'll do it.
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  Speaker 2: The easiest part of the Atlantic Row was the actual crossing.
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  Speaker 2: The hard part, rich is clearly you've got to take
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  Speaker 2: a year off pretty much life fund to fundraise and
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  Speaker 2: to approach people and also.
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  Speaker 3: To learn about it the human relationships.
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  Speaker 2: You get let down so much when you do this
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing. And it's fine, you know, you just
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  Speaker 2: got to understand that. But you get some people pretty
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  Speaker 2: like that you think would never let you down, then
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  Speaker 2: they they let you down, you know. So, Ritchie, listen,
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  Speaker 2: I've actually we've got to go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm lucky today, it's not too bad today. I'm
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  Speaker 2: This chat, this was my I wanted to thank you
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  Speaker 2: both my charity adventures now or both my recent ones.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, look forward to come and chatting with you again.
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  Speaker 2: And you have an open invitation on this show.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Chris.
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  Speaker 2: I'm chrystro I'm a former rum Rings command and hope
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