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Ep. 47 - Did Goliath Have 6 Fingers? · Martyr's Row

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This week on Martyrs Row. Do aliens have the
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best merch? Was Hitler building a Nephilim army?
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Does King David kill two giants named Goliath?
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Did we find an error in the Bible? Was Goliath's
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brother French? La mi? La mi! Let's find out!
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Three, two, one! Saint Aphra of Augsburg, who
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in her former life had walked in darkness, was
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by the mercy of God brought unto repentance and
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faith in Christ. In the persecution under Diocletian,
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she was accused before the judge and commanded
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to sacrifice to the idols, but she freely confessed
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that she had renounced her former sins and now
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served the living God. For this she was condemned
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to the fire and bound to a stake upon an island
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in the river Lech. There she endured the flames
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with steadfast heart, calling upon Christ until
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her spirit was released. Thus Aphra, once a vessel
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of shame, was made a witness of grace, showing
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that the Lord refuseth none who truly turn unto
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Him, and that mercy may triumph even in the hour
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of death. Anno Domini, 304. Hey, Paul. What's
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up? That's like how we always log in. Every single
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time we log in, type in our password. You've
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got mail. Click, click, click, click, click.
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You've got mail. Congratulations. Yay. An email.
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Going to dial up. I feel like I'm in, do you
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ever feel like, You go through a week where like,
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have you ever tried to start a sentence and nothing
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comes out? And then you think you can do anything?
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But this is a clear example of how I feel right
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now. Where like, you get into a week and you're
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not sure, like it could either be Monday night
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or Friday morning. Yes. Like you don't actually
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know where you are in the week. Yesterday felt
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like Saturday morning to me. I don't even know
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what right now is. And the crazy, that's the
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problem. The crazy thing is is right now is not
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right then and right now is not right now. That's
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true. So when they are is not when we are. Yeah,
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so we're in the past for them in the future.
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Yeah, but they could be in the future listening
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to us in the past. That's exactly it. It's what
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you said. You just flipped it. Yeah. So I feel
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like I'm in this weird loophole. Like I'm just
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like in this like, almost like, like in Fighting
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Nemo, Disney plug. When they get in the jet stream,
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the jet stream, whatever the like. With the turtles?
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Yeah, the turtles. They get in that, I forget
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what it's called. But there's like a name for
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it. And it's like, the water goes really fast
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and they jump into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shoots
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them across the ocean. Let's see what little
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Squirt can do. All right. That was so totally
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us. Okay, keep going. Nemo touched the butt.
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He touched the butt. Oh, what a great movie.
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That's a great movie. So here's a question that
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I have for you, Paul. Before we're supposed to
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ask a question. I'm asking a question. And I'm
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actually kind of afraid to ask you this question.
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Because you're not gonna see it coming. What
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are your thoughts about aliens? You dog. You
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know what I think what I love about this question?
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It's because I love asking other people this
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question. Really? Yeah. You've never asked me.
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That's true, I haven't. No. But you can't ask
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me because I just asked you. I know I know you
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can't ask me. I asked you That's true, I guess
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I haven't no I think it's kind of like to do
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it to make people uncomfortable That's I know
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you wouldn't be uncomfortable with it. Oh, that's
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flattering. Yeah But no, I love it cuz there
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are some people that are like no, absolutely
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not. They're all fake. It's like, oh, okay That's
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interesting. Other people are like Yeah, you
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know my brother's an alien. It's like wait what?
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Then you meeting me like oh Or at least he got
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visited by some yeah my thoughts on aliens, okay
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You know, I mean like my honest answer yeah,
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I would have made up one no I think whatever
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is the most fun for you right now. Yeah, I think
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it's fun for me to just be like Oh, yeah, probably
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but also I what yeah Okay, that's not really
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an answer. No, it's not. I guess it's like it's
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it's one of those where And I and I didn't ask
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Do you believe in it? Do you believe? Yeah, what
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are my thoughts on them? Yeah, what are your
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thoughts on aliens? Yeah, my thoughts are they're
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weird They are weird and also you're saying a
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lot by saying that I know I also I don't think
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they're green. Okay. Interesting. But also, that
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makes me sad. Why? Because I like the aesthetic
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of a green, like a neon green alien. Okay, I
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understand that. There's something that just
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kind of feels right about it. And I'm too...
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Like... Okay. You know, they're like, oh, because
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they feel more organic. Maybe? Yeah, because
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otherwise they're like, oh, they're gray. It's
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like... Yeah, or they're like boring or they're
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like brown like ET was like brown You know like
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you know like that trend like the millennial
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gray Is that a thing? Yeah? It's where it's like
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our Millennials gray aliens Did we just crack
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the car you turning gray am I? Man yeah, okay.
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I've also heard from people recently. Yeah, I
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think this is interesting. Okay Where they're
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actually not real as far as like yes, you can
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like These are their thoughts. Okay, just I don't
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you know, put myself in a corner here No, no
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where they're like, oh, yeah, like they will
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come down and like abduct people and they're
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like a real thing there But they're actually
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like an organic robot basically Oh, and I'm like,
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that's interesting. I haven't heard that one
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before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's weird.
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I'm just giving you a lot of thoughts on aliens.
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Yeah, these are thoughts. Yeah. I don't know
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if I'm actually answering your question. Well,
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that was my question. Yeah. What are your thoughts?
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Yeah, I'm giving a lot of thoughts. Yeah, I like
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the thoughts. Yeah. I also... Do you feel compelled
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to say anything about aliens? Or not really?
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Do I feel compelled to say anything about them?
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I feel like leave the cows alone. Oh, okay. Yeah,
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that's fair. I feel like the cows have gone through
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enough. People don't let them fart anymore. Yeah,
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cow emissions. Yeah, that's the more appropriate
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way to say it. Cow emissions are a problem. Did
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you know they did that actually? I think it was
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somewhere in Europe. Yeah, there was like some
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pill they were giving them to stop their... their
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gaseous emissions. And they have been falling
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over dead. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, like
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very soon after. And they're like, oh, what the?
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How did that happen? It's like, well. You gave
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them really bad heartburn without relief. That's
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what happened. Now I have some grass. It's not
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going to work out well. Yeah, good point. They
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have multiple stomachs, too. Yeah. And you know
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they're going to swallow some air. Oof. Think
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about being bloated when you have more than one
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stomach. You have five stomachs to bloat. Man.
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These are some interesting thoughts on aliens.
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Yeah. Let's see, what other thoughts do I have?
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You might not want any more. I like this though.
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It's not, because the question is not like, are
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aliens real, or do you believe in aliens, or
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is there... Is it possible for aliens to exist?
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The question is, what are your thoughts on aliens?
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Yeah, and that's actually the best part. We should
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just ask that every opening. What are your thoughts
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on? What are your new thoughts on? Yeah. Yeah.
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That's actually pretty good. I almost don't want
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to ask you any more pointed questions. Just let
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you pontificate about what your thoughts are.
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Yeah. Yeah, I'll come up with some. Because it's
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kind of fun. It is fun. Like, what are your thoughts?
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Yeah. You know what I would like to see from
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aliens? Yeah. I would like to see more of like
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the the laser fingers. Okay, we only got that
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with ET Okay, I haven't heard any stories about
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it from modern -day aliens fair You mean like
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a glowing light bulb? Yeah, like the ET go home.
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Yeah, but it doesn't like it's not a laser No,
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it's more like a light that glows. Yeah. Yeah,
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I don't see a lot of that. Okay Yeah, I mean,
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I don't see any aliens. That's what I was gonna
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ask. But I'm trying not to ask leading questions.
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Any stories I hear from people that claim to
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have, they don't talk about glowing fingers,
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and I think they downgraded. Okay. Interesting.
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I like these thoughts. What else? Keep going.
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I like it. You know what else I really like about
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aliens? I like the ambiguous nature of this.
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and I'm just coming up with them. Because inevitably
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someone listening is gonna be like so frustrated
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that we're not actually saying anything. I mean
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you're implying the existence of them but you're
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not doing it in a way that gives any concrete
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belief or understanding or legitimacy to any
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claim. Yeah that's what's fun. That's fun. No,
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you know the one thing I do love they actually
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did really good on this. Okay is some of their
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branding Okay, they did really good on this.
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Yeah, whoever did it. Yeah like the the one of
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like the saucer UFO, okay with the yellow the
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gray saucer like a couple green lights going
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on and then the Yellow beam with a cow just like
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halfway up. I know I said leave the cows alone,
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but that picture is kind of sick. Okay, so So
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you like their merch? I like their merch. Okay,
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so your thoughts on aliens are I like their merch.
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Leave the cows alone, love the merch, and get
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the glowy fingers back. You know what's always
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weird to me is like black eyes. That is creepy.
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Yeah, maybe we don't need to go there. Well I
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think the bigger they are the less creepy they
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are though. Interesting. Because then they start
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to get cute. Because they're not round? Yeah.
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That makes sense. You know, like, you think of,
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like, the little Disney creatures. They've got
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big black eyes. Little Disney creatures? Yeah,
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like the little sidekicks. They're like, with
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princesses. Nope. They have black eyes? Well,
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like, the big pupils. You talking about the seven
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dwarves? No. Okay. Like, which one did I just
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see? I don't know. Like, no, not that one. Stitch.
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Stitch, there you go. Okay. What's another one?
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What's another Disney movie with the sidekick?
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That's an alien? No, no, just animals. An animal
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sidekick? Yeah, they have tons of animals. Air
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Bud? He's the main character. Yeah, that's right.
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The human's the sidekick. You know, like in Moana,
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she's got the rooster. Okay, but that's not an
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alien. No, no, no, I'm just saying cute animals
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with big eyes. Got it. She also has a pig called
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Pua. That's awesome. That's a great name. That's
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amazing. If you have a pet pig, Pua is a great
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name. Pua. Yeah. I like it. That's pretty good.
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But no, they have like big eyes. Interesting.
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And so I feel like the bigger the eyes are. But
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so do the Disney princesses. Yeah. That's true.
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I didn't think about that. Yeah. Yeah. It's intentional
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to be endearing. That makes sense. Yeah. So maybe
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that's what aliens are trying to do with their
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big eyes. Uh, interesting. They're like, see
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we're more endearing, our eyes are huge. They
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keep getting bigger. But then bugs are creepy.
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And they've got giant eyes. So that's the thing,
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yeah. There's a book of dinosaurs that one of
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my boys has, and there's one dinosaur in there.
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I think it's called a Troodon. And just straight
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up looks like an alien. That's crazy. But like,
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as a lizard, which then is like, wait a minute.
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Are we sure that this is a dinosaur? And not
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just an insect? Does it work at NASA? I actually
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wasn't, I was actually not going to ask you that
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question. I was going to talk about a guy at
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NASA. Oh really? So maybe we could do that next
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time. Let's do that next time. Okay, because
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it's weird. I want to ask you your thoughts on
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something. at some point, because that'd be fun.
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I actually really liked that question, that was
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great. Well, we'll see if anybody cares at all.
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Yeah, that's true, because I basically just started
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talking. But I think sometimes it's like, hey
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guys, it's okay to ask a weird question like
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that. I could go into a pastoral point, but I'm
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just not going to. Yeah, they get it. I have
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no clue. What do you think about aliens? What
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are your thoughts on aliens? They have great
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merch. Their merch is amazing, leave the cows
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alone. Bring back the ladyfingers. Three, two,
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one! Standing in the valley talking lots of trash
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Barely even scared until a stone is flying Everybody's
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quiet This got really easy It's easy as one,
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two There's only one hand that counts From one
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right after saying Not normal There's only one
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foot that lands six toes deep in the sand. Not
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normal. Give me more giants from the family line
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Brothers just like him every single time Tell
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me it's a detail that we shouldn't even know
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But it's all in the words they wrote The best
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that they had to separate the giants Count all
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their digits It makes it easy It's easy as one,
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two There's only one hand that counts from from
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one right up to six not normal there's only one
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foot that lands six notes deep in the sand not
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normal there's only one hand that counts from
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one right up to six not normal there's only one
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foot that And there was again war at Gath, where
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there was a man of great stature who had six
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fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot.
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24 in number and he also was descended from the
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Giants Hey, Paul, I got a question for you. I
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got a couple questions myself. Well, let me ask
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the first one. Okay You know Goliath Mm -hmm
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Personally, I know personally, okay. Yeah, I
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haven't really made it into that circle yet So
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my question is and I don't think I'm allowed
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to make it into this I don't think you want to
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get there I don't That doesn't mean you couldn't
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potentially talk to Goliath. Well, yeah, but
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that's kind of like, you know, not allowed. Also,
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not my question. Yeah, anyway. So Goliath, you
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know, the... Big boy. The friendly giant. Everyone's
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favorite giant. Did Goliath have six fingers
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on each hand and six toes on each foot? And did
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I just read the Bible? That's the other one.
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That's really the question. Did I just read the
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Bible? Is that what I just read? Is that from
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El Biblico? Biblico? I couldn't think of it.
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El Biblico? That sounds like a coffee parlor.
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I like that. So I'll answer my last question,
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which was, yes, it was 2 Samuel chapter 21, verse
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20. There is a parallel verse to that which is
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the first Chronicles 20. Okay, so yeah Let's
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get into the question. Okay. Yeah. Yeah after
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I ask another question. Okay, so in true martyrs
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row form It's like the inception of questions
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it is because as I was reading this I thought
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okay, wait a minute so if I go up to verse 19,
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it says and there was again war with the Philistines
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at Gob and Elan on Does that mean that Elenon
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killed another person named Goliath? That's a
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great question too. Have you thought about that
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or did you know I was even gonna ask you that
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I didn't you're gonna ask me that okay? Um did
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you know that that's what it says direct directly.
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I actually didn't know that it's very confusing
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Yeah, we read it one more time. Okay, so And
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there so this is second Samuel 21 verse 19 and
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there was again war with the Philistines at Gob
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and Elenon the son of Jar Origen and the Bethlehem
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the Bethlehemite struck down Goliath the Gittite
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the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's
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beam Okay, here's the thing. That's tough. If
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you look at the notes it says contrast first
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Chronicles 20 verse five, which may preserve
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the original reading. So that's the passage you're
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talking about. First Chronicles 20, verse five.
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Now, in that one, it's a parallel and it says,
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and there was again war with the Philistines.
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Sounds like the same. And Elanon, okay, the son
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of Jar, struck down Lami, the brother of Goliath
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the Gittite. So that's the one I'm familiar with
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did we find What do I call it I'm scared to say
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a misprint Did we find a misprint in the Bible
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is there So, I mean this is an overlap from second
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Samuel to first Chronicles Yeah, and like when
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you read through Chronicles and particularly
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Chronicles and Kings and then you look at First
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and Second Samuel, these retellings of all these
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stories, they all overlap. And particularly Kings
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and Chronicles, we've talked about this before.
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They reference each other. Yeah, and they're
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like, I'm not going to keep talking because it's
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in the other book. Yeah. Like that's what they
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say. So this is one of those instances where
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I think if I just read that scripture passage,
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the Second Samuel 21 verse 19, I think reading
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it directly, Just that verse it looks like it's
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saying the wrong thing. Yeah in comparison But
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if you read the whole chapter Then it sets up
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Who actually killed him I see but if you just
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read it by itself that one literally is wrong.
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Yes, which is weird. Yeah Yeah, that's really
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strange Yeah, so I mean except part of this like
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I'm more familiar with the first Chronicles or
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Yeah, first Chronicles passage. Yeah, where it
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clearly says like oh, this is Goliath's brother
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Correct. Yeah, it's uh Yeah, the what's his name?
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La la me la me Probably not how you say? He's
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probably not French That would be wild, you know
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Goliath the get tight his brother la me is French
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Yeah, so yeah, well it's interesting because
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on one hand it's it's one of those if you're
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gonna say like oh Yeah, do you know that I? Mean
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there was a giant clan that had six fingers and
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six toes. Oh, right. It's like Where are you
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getting that from? It's like, no, actually literally
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the Bible. Yeah, the Bible literally said, we
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just read it at the beginning of this. It's literally
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in here. Yeah. Like that's one, it's like, there's
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no speculation if you like, well, you can't go
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outside the Bible. It's like, no, it's right
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here. Yeah. Well, and I'm even looking at that
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discrepancy of like from 2 Samuel to 1 Chronicles.
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It's like, if you keep looking around at stuff,
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it's like this stuff all overlaps and... interlocks
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in a way that's kind of interesting. And then
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cross -references itself. It's kind of written
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and set up and designed for it to reference itself.
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So in some ways, if there's a perceived error
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in 1st and 2nd Samuel of a historical event chronologically,
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it's intended to cross -reference Chronicles.
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That's just kind of how it was designed. Which
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is also weird. It's true. And meaning like for
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us, I feel like it's one of those things where
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when we look at it, we go, no, we want it to
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be exactly like perfect and fully filled out.
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Well, it is perfect. It's just not like it's
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again, it's like you're reading and formatting
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anyways. Yes. Yeah. No, I know what you mean.
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So Goliath. Goliath. What a boy. To be fair,
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though, it wasn't Goliath. Well, so that's the
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big thing in here is like, it's only explicitly
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saying one person has that. True. So then it's
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like, it's kind of left up to speculation. Yeah.
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And just like, okay, what's our best guess based
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on what we know of like biology and science?
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Oh, yeah, that's genetics. You know what I mean?
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So what do we know? That's a great question.
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Well, so the interesting thing here first is
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like, so, la mi. Lami Lami is one of Goliath's
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brothers. That's what it says. Yeah and so they
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were in Chronicles the chronicler the chronicler
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which is actually kind of a cool name. I know
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I like it. I want to be a chronicler. I mean
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we kind of are. Yeah actually that's true. Yeah
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I don't know. So he explicitly groups four Philistine
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warriors from Gath and they're all killed by
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David's men. Right. Yeah which is kind of interesting
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I think in one hand. um because we're very familiar
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with David and Goliath sure where David kills
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Goliath yes but then we're not very familiar
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with the fact that they were four others that
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David's men went out and killed yeah which is
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interesting too because David's not the one who
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kills the other ones no it's like oh it's actually
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other people too well and not only that there's
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uh in in the telling of it it kind of mentions
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that like David gets exhausted Like his buddy
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like comes and helps him out. Yeah. Yeah, so
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it's like a little bit like David couldn't quite
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keep up with what was going on Yes, always just
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exhausted from war and like needs his but his
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guys, you know, yeah David's mighty men But I
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think that's also Very consistent with who God
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is. Okay in that I'm not sure where you're going
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with that. I know what I mean by that is like
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If David went out and killed all of them, we'd
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be more likely to go, wow, David is the giant
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killer and he's the only one that can do it.
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Oh, I see, yeah. But God's like, no, I'm going
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to have everyone else do it from here on out.
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Yeah. Just to make sure they know that it wasn't
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you. Yeah, I could see that. It's like in his
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strength, the Lord comes through with friends
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and different things like that. But the other
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thing that's kind of interesting too is these
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other giants. Yeah. are like when David is older.
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So like that's kind of a weird thing because
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when we look at the giants surrounding Goliath
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or surrounding the story of David who basically
26:38
is like David and his mighty men are giant slayers.
26:42
That's basically what they are. They're kind
26:45
of like or they're quite literally are finishing
26:49
off the job that Joshua and the children of Israel
26:54
could not get done when they first moved into
26:58
the land of Canaan. Yeah, they're actually finishing
27:00
it up. Yeah, as best they can, because after
27:03
that point, it's much more diminished of the
27:08
presence of giants in the land of Israel. Because
27:11
yeah, after this with David and his mighty men,
27:15
it is kind of... I feel like I've... A lot of
27:18
scholars kind of mark that as like, this is the
27:20
end of the giants. Right. Cause like, they took
27:22
care of them all. Yeah. It's perceivably the
27:26
end of the giants in Israel. Yes. Not necessarily
27:29
the end of the giants. That's fair. Yeah. But
27:33
in the biblical narrative. Yes. For sure. They're
27:36
not really a problem physically anymore. No.
27:40
And arguably, they all just go to Ohio. Yes.
27:43
That's a different podcast. Oh no. Paul, why
27:47
are you so short? Well, they didn't go to Ohio,
27:50
I can tell you that. What about the Serpent Mounds?
27:56
Oh yeah, that's true. Okay, different podcast.
28:00
They're just like, hey we're done, we're out.
28:02
Oh yeah. Forgot about that. But anyway, so...
28:10
That's a wild tangent. But yeah, so like the
28:14
term here for these extra. Oh, wait, wait. What
28:17
I was going to say is the whole reason I said
28:19
that. Sorry, I threw myself off. The whole reason
28:22
I said that was because a lot of times I think
28:24
we we think of and we even talked about last
28:26
time, like the idea of David finishing off what
28:30
Samson couldn't and the idea that like the Philistines
28:34
were ruling over the Israelites and they made
28:36
their way all the way up to this, the Valley
28:38
of Elah, which is the south region. And then
28:41
finally, with the help of David, he kills Goliath,
28:46
and then they push the Philistines back away,
28:48
back to their border. And when they do that,
28:52
though, we think of that as the end of the Giants.
28:55
But as far as David's life goes, that's the beginning
28:59
of the Giants. Yes, because they still have a
29:01
lot more fighting to do. Yes. Yeah. And yeah,
29:05
there's conversations around the sling and all
29:08
that stuff, which is kind of interesting. Yes.
29:10
No, that's true. We're not talking about that.
29:13
No, but that is an interesting piece. Yeah. Yeah.
29:16
So the other Giants. Are they his brothers? Uh,
29:22
yeah. Okay. Done. See you later. So yeah, so
29:31
the other the other ones at least and there's
29:33
a there are a couple that are named from we see
29:35
like with Jonathan. Okay. That are from like
29:38
a different clan. Yes. So these the ones that
29:41
are named here are the ones from Gath, right?
29:43
Um, and so more than likely they would have all
29:46
been related Okay Um, maybe not like brothers
29:50
per se but maybe like oh, that's my cousin Yeah,
29:53
that makes sense because because of their stature.
29:56
They probably all shared some type of But we
29:59
don't necessarily have that though, right? We
30:00
only really have one well because the other thing
30:02
we have is even the the hebrew that's used there
30:04
to to talk about them. Yeah. And I will not be
30:08
able to pronounce that Hebrew, but it means born
30:11
of the Rapha. OK, yeah. Or descendant of the
30:15
giant. Yeah, of the giant. That's what it says.
30:20
But that's then that's where we get the term
30:22
like the Raphaim. Right. I wonder who the giant
30:26
is. I know, right? Well, he would be potentially
30:32
later. I think he was earlier earlier than David.
30:36
Yeah, I'd have to look into that. I'm pretty
30:39
sure he's in first Samuel Yeah, I'm pretty sure
30:42
he was earlier. I think you're right Yeah, so
30:45
so Rafa Rafa aim And then an akim mm -hmm like
30:52
that's all like kind of critical and kind of
30:54
important. Yeah, they're all like Different technically
30:57
like different. I guess clans. I would say it
31:00
that way, but they're all related yeah in some
31:02
way or another yeah um and in some of them the
31:06
bible itself within its genealogies if you're
31:09
weak enough to read this or nerdy enough to pay
31:12
attention like us true yeah um it actually lays
31:16
out how some of them are related oh yeah which
31:19
is like oh yeah and this person who became this
31:22
person, who had this person, who had that person,
31:24
who became these people. Yeah, and arguably.
31:27
Oh, okay. Yeah, but arguably, it doesn't seem
31:33
like it necessarily has to be a line of individuals.
31:37
Right. So like in the same way where when we
31:40
talked about Nimrod. I was just about to say
31:42
that, yeah. Yeah, and like Nimrod becomes a gibberim.
31:45
Yes. Or he becomes a gibbor, and it's that idea.
31:49
I think that it's not necessarily that it has
31:51
to be passed down bloodline wise, but potentially
31:54
there's some type of ritual taking place that
31:58
would either turn a person in this direction
32:01
or potentially some rituals done that an offspring
32:07
would come forth from that. Which is probably
32:11
more likely in later giants. And yes, I think
32:14
so. And that's where a lot of it where we see
32:18
a lot of these groupings. It's like, oh, here's
32:20
a culture that practices this. Yes. So then we
32:23
see more people related to that because, well,
32:26
yeah, this group of people does that. Yeah. But
32:30
it is also without being too vague. Yeah, I know.
32:35
We're like kind of not saying anything. That
32:37
was very concrete. But I think it is also interesting
32:40
even with Goliath in the others. Yeah. Because
32:46
we think of them as like, oh, they're Philistines.
32:48
But it's like, they're actually not Philistines.
32:51
But they're more like hit men for hire. Well,
32:58
even this passage in 1 Chronicles calls Goliath
33:00
a Gittite, which is a funny name. It is a pretty
33:04
funny name. But he's in the region of Gath. Yeah.
33:13
And Gath specifically is like a hotbed for giants.
33:18
Yes. Like the giants of Gath. It's a pretty big
33:22
deal. But the thing is, is like, technically
33:24
the Lamy, the French brother of Goliath. The
33:31
French brother of Goliath. He's actually the
33:36
only one that's explicitly named. Yeah. So there's
33:39
a potential that like, like when we talk about
33:42
the idea of David coming to the battle with five
33:46
stones. Oh, we are going there. Nice. Oh, I didn't
33:51
think about it until just now. Yeah. But like
33:53
when you, when he comes to the battle with five
33:55
stones and like, if you know anything about,
33:58
um, because the slingshots, like pretty much
34:02
as a weaponry got better. Yeah. Did we talk about
34:08
this on the last one? I can't remember. We've
34:10
talked about it before in a little bit more detail.
34:13
Yeah, because that's where, to just say what
34:16
I have on top of my head about it, it's like
34:18
with a slingshot, someone who's a good practitioner
34:22
of using it is, I think I did say this last time.
34:25
Well, we talked about he was a good slingshotist.
34:27
That's right, we did. Yes. Well, yeah, they're
34:32
more accurate with better range and deadliness
34:37
than a bow and arrow. Yeah. But they're harder
34:40
to master. For sure. Yeah. So like the idea of
34:45
David with a slingshot is not like a little kid
34:47
with a rock. Yes. It's like a skilled warrior
34:50
is what it's describing. Well, the comparison
34:53
to today would be like if he's good at it, it'd
34:55
be like a marksman. Yeah. It'd be throwing like
34:59
Annie Oakley out there. You know what I mean?
35:03
Where it's like, oh yeah. That's not a modern
35:05
reference, by the way. Oh yeah, that's fair.
35:07
It'd be throwing a Navy SEAL out there. But it's
35:10
like, this person is really good with a gun,
35:13
and they hit what they want to hit. Yeah, and
35:16
it became a lost art after that point. Yeah,
35:21
because it was used... in military, there were
35:24
people that were the slingshotists. Yeah, and
35:28
historically there's a bunch of accounts of that
35:32
happening in war and people, key people dying
35:35
from that. So that's not, yeah, again, it's not
35:39
a boy with a rock. But it strategically mentions
35:43
that he has five rocks, and I think a lot of
35:48
times we, at first it's like, well, Just in case
35:52
he missed right, but then the conversation is
35:55
well, but Goliath had four brothers But then
35:58
you go well, but it only mentions one technical
36:01
brother. Yeah, so then maybe the real thing is
36:05
The Philistines were known to have Giants for
36:12
hire. Yes, and those Giants for hire were known
36:15
individuals. Mm -hmm, and maybe there were five
36:18
of them. Yeah, that's very I mean we know that
36:21
But not necessarily Goliath's men killed four
36:23
others. Right. Yeah. So and it also could just
36:27
be like prophetic foreshadowing. That's yeah,
36:29
that's true. Which is also possible. Yeah, I
36:33
feel like all those things are possible. Yeah.
36:35
Yeah. And they don't damage the story at all.
36:38
No, if anything, they like the prophetic foreshadowing
36:41
makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Now, does that mean
36:45
that like the guy who wrote down the story was
36:47
like, oh, I'm going to add this detail. Like,
36:50
that's not exactly, like it was probably just
36:52
more true that that's how many stones he had,
36:55
assuming there would be five giants. It's possible,
36:59
yeah. You know what I mean? Like, what if David,
37:02
in the Valley of Elah, is actually expecting
37:05
to fight not one person, but five people? Yeah.
37:09
It's probably, like, to be honest, that may be
37:11
what he was doing. It's maybe not unrealistic.
37:13
No. And it could also have been, like, on another
37:16
side, it's like, well, what if... he takes out
37:18
Goliath and then someone, one of the other Philistines,
37:22
who's not a giant, is just like, I'm gonna charge
37:25
this guy. Yeah, true. It could have just been
37:27
for that. That's true. Let me get more people.
37:29
He just had a revolver. Right. Yeah. And he didn't
37:33
bring one bullet. He filled the cartridge. Yeah,
37:36
exactly. Right. That would make sense too. Yeah.
37:38
So all of the above. So it could have been all
37:40
those things. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting
37:43
though, because it does feel like foreshadowing
37:46
in that sense. Yeah, and I don't think we can
37:48
discount that either because the Bible loves
37:50
to do foreshadowing. For sure. Yeah. Meaning...
37:53
Especially when it comes to numbers. Meaning
37:55
the plans of God are intentional. Yes. Which
37:57
is kind of cool. Exactly. So, yeah, so six appendages?
38:03
Six phalanges? Is that just fingers? Does that
38:06
include toes? I don't know. Well, I guess appendages
38:09
would be other things as well. So, like, you
38:11
wouldn't necessarily do that exclusive to...
38:14
Phalanges, yeah, I don't know if it's a toes.
38:16
I think it's just fingers or... Footlanges? Footlanges.
38:21
Footlanges. Footlanges and footlanges. They work.
38:26
Anyway, they have more than enough. Yeah, for
38:28
sure. So what's going on with these other giants?
38:32
But yeah, so like just talking about that, first
38:35
of all, because I don't know about you, but I
38:38
don't know anyone that has that situation going
38:41
on. No, I don't either. and so it's like well
38:43
what is that is that even real or is like the
38:46
bible just kind of like oh adding something yeah
38:49
here and so actually the term for it to get real
38:53
crazy is uh polydactyly okay isn't that wild
38:58
that makes sense never would have made that up
39:00
you know that makes sense though it does like
39:02
a medical term like uh they've got too many dactylies
39:10
You know, to each his own. To each his own. And
39:13
so I guess the question is like, okay, is this
39:15
like a real thing? Right. Or is this just like,
39:18
do we see this happen other places or just this
39:21
one dude? Yeah, because that would be like if
39:24
the only place we ever see it in antiquity is
39:27
in this one passage in the Bible. Yeah. Then
39:30
it's a little bit like, is that just legend?
39:33
Right. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, we want to make
39:36
it sound real scary. Give him two extra fingers
39:39
and two extra toes. That is scary. I mean, it
39:45
didn't help him in the battle. Well at least
39:48
that one. That one it didn't. But also think
39:52
about if David with his mighty men fight this
39:57
giant and potentially that giant was already
40:00
alive, either that giant is David's age or potentially
40:04
a lot older. You know what I mean? So like maybe
40:08
the giant was tired by the time he got killed
40:10
He was as tired as David he was hoping to fight
40:14
David because they were both tired Let me have
40:20
a baguette Nice to meet you. Allow me I love
40:32
it. Yes, so this polydactyly, okay is actually
40:37
a genetic trait that can be passed down and inherited.
40:41
Which is like, weird. Yeah, that actually helps
40:45
though. And it also clusters within families.
40:48
That's the other big thing because of that. Because
40:51
I think it's considered like a more dominant
40:53
trait. Okay, which is weird. I mean I could see
40:56
that yeah Especially in like small groups of
41:04
people if if someone has it you're more likely
41:07
to see it within all those people in that group
41:09
sure so Yeah, it's like if if one guy has scales
41:14
the other person's probably gonna get it, too.
41:16
Yeah. Yeah, I Mean you hate to see a lot of scales
41:22
around here But yeah, so it's kind of like It's
41:29
something that I mean I feel like people I feel
41:32
like some people are still born with it today
41:34
Like it's those passed down through some some
41:37
lines. I feel like I've met somebody. Oh really?
41:39
Yeah, have you know? Did you have red hair? I
41:43
feel like I have a distant memory of a guy that
41:45
was very pale very blonde hair that had Like
41:50
six toes on one foot or something. That's wild.
41:53
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I don't know if
41:56
that was just like a weird Like TV show episode
42:00
I saw when I was a kid or if like I actually
42:02
knew a kid that was like that. Were you just
42:04
watching The Princess Bride? Maybe Oh Yeah, that
42:10
was it the villain in the Princess Bride? Yeah,
42:12
he had like an extra finger But see, like, that's
42:15
calling back to something. Yes, absolutely. Like,
42:17
even in a comedy like that, it's still calling
42:19
back to something. Yeah. The weird thing is,
42:21
is that the giant in the movie wasn't the one
42:25
with six fingers. That's true. Which is kind
42:27
of funny. Andre was actually clean. So the guy
42:30
who killed... How do you say his name? I actually
42:36
can't remember his name. He says it all over
42:38
and over and over and over again. I am a nigga
42:39
wentoya. Yeah, I am a nigga wentoya. You killed
42:43
my father. Prepare to die. Prepare to die. So
42:46
the guy who killed him had six fingers. Yes.
42:49
And he was constantly looking for the six finger
42:51
man. Oh, who killed his dad. Yeah. And then ended
42:53
up being the little bald guy, right? No, it was
42:56
like the king. Inconceivable! Because he died
42:59
early. Oh yeah, the poison? Yeah. That's right.
43:05
Forget about that. Never make a bet with a Sicilian
43:08
when death is on the line. Inconceivable! I forgot
43:13
about that. You keep using that word. I know.
43:15
I do not think it means what you think it means.
43:20
Oh, The Princess Bride. High recommend. You ever
43:23
heard of Plato? Socrates? Morons. So, six fingers.
43:33
You just wanted to hang out and watch The Princess
43:35
Bride. I did. Actually, I kind of want to watch
43:37
it now. There's still time. But yes, the rest
43:41
of this podcast, even if you watch it. Let's
43:44
hit play, right? Clink. Perfect. That would be
43:49
awesome. So six fingers. Because of how it is
43:55
passed down within small groups and family lines,
43:58
okay It kind of becomes like a genetic marker
43:59
in some ways and that makes sense And so yeah,
44:03
especially with like specific lineages. Yeah,
44:05
so it's interesting because It's an interesting
44:08
detail and the fact that he's Goliath's brother.
44:11
Yeah, because and this is not the Bible This
44:13
is me speculating based on this all speculations
44:17
Go for it. Yeah, I was trying to think of a funny
44:18
way to... Yeah, just go for it. Not tonight.
44:22
These are Paul's speculations. Yes, welcome.
44:25
Go. Go on. Dance, monkey. Give your speculation,
44:31
Paul. My speculation. No, so if we know his...
44:37
Because we know from the Bible his brother has
44:40
six fingers on both hands and six toes on both
44:43
feet. No. His brother. Mm -hmm. Yeah, let me
44:47
know What did I say we don't know that how do
44:51
you say it's two different guys No, I wasn't
44:55
the the guy they name is his brother. No, it's
44:57
not. I'm it's the next guy I Promise so in no
45:06
allow me is the brother of Goliath allow me is
45:08
the brother of Goliath. Oh, it's two separate
45:11
Passages. Oh, did I mix this up? No It's just
45:14
one after the other. So in that one, it's, and
45:17
there was again war with the Philistines. And
45:19
that's what it talks about, love me. And then
45:21
in verse six, it goes, and there was again war
45:23
at Gath. Oh, I see. And then that's what it names
45:25
the six fingers. That's a crazy man. Okay, well,
45:29
let's be completely honest. The first Chronicles
45:32
20. Yes. And second Samuel 21 are a little confusing.
45:38
They're confusing. Like it puts a bunch of information
45:41
right there, like smack. like all jammed together.
45:45
It doesn't give you time to breathe. But this
45:46
is actually a good point of like why we have
45:48
these conversations. That's true. Is a little
45:51
bit like, let's unpack it, let's actually look
45:53
at what the text says. Yeah. You know what I
45:55
mean? Yeah. Which if you read, if you read straight
45:59
in that verse of second Samuel 21 20, it's like,
46:03
wait a minute, there wasn't like the, this other
46:07
Benjamite killed Goliath the Gittite. Yes. That's
46:12
weird. But that's not what happened in the larger
46:16
context. Yeah, it actually lays it out differently.
46:19
Yeah. Okay, so my speculation is getting more
46:21
speculative. Are you ready? Yeah, yeah. So since
46:24
we know that it wasn't his brother that was named...
46:28
We can assume what, Paul? Well, the only thing
46:31
we do know... They're off -gap. That's true.
46:37
Well, actually actually no you didn't read it
46:40
I promise they did So so we can speculate yeah,
46:48
it was a speculation anyway, so absolutely so
46:50
I'm not even hurt no, it doesn't matter My feelings
46:54
aren't even hurt a little bit actually Well,
46:58
so what cuz here's the interesting thing about
47:00
it is like so they're all identified from being
47:02
from the same place, right? But only one of them
47:05
is specifically named to have that polydactyly.
47:09
Yeah, but his name was never given. Yeah. But
47:13
I think what's interesting about it is... Also,
47:15
if gender wasn't given either. It was just giant
47:18
with six fingers, six heads. Could have been
47:20
a lady. Uh -oh. Dude looks like a lady. But to
47:24
be fair, at that time, yeah. It was probably
47:28
a dude. We all know there were no giant ladies.
47:32
Were there giant ladies in the Bible that's our
47:35
opening You heard it here first or second technically
47:41
well it came here. Oh wait. We already did our
47:43
intro I mean So are we concluding that Goliath
47:49
potentially Yeah, so I mean let me follow it
47:52
down a little bit still just just to say go for
47:55
it um So it's like okay. Here's three individuals
47:59
Yeah, who are all identified from the same place
48:02
Sure. And one of them is a brother, but that's
48:05
all we know about him. Yes. And the other one,
48:08
and he's French, we know that. Definitely French.
48:11
That's not a speculation. And then the other
48:14
one, we just know he has way too many phalanges.
48:18
Yeah. And so it's like, OK, if that's like a
48:22
genetic trait that's just getting kind of passed
48:24
around within there, them bringing that up for
48:28
this unnamed giant in some ways could just be
48:31
another way of Naming because if they what am
48:34
I trying to say? Hold on? So like if let's assume
48:37
they're like we all know Goliath has a couple
48:40
extra digits Obviously his brother does too.
48:44
We all know it and then they name it for this
48:46
other guy That's kind of in a way of attaching
48:49
him to the rest of them. Yes, because it's not
48:52
and I'm not saying that he did Like oh, yeah
48:55
Goliath did have a few extras But it would make
49:00
sense that he probably he might have Yeah. Well,
49:03
we did mention this, I think in the opening last
49:06
week, that the new animated movie, David. Yeah,
49:12
that's right. It pictures Goliath with six toes.
49:15
Yeah, that's right. Which is interesting. But
49:18
to be fair, I think, you know, right here in
49:20
First Chronicles 20 verse six, it says, and there
49:24
was again war at Gath. So it's like again, again,
49:29
again, there's war, there's war, there's war
49:31
at Gath. It's continually war at Gath where there
49:35
was a man of great stature who had six fingers
49:38
on each hand and six toes on each foot, 24 in
49:41
number, and he also was descended from the giants.
49:47
Yes. So in that way, it's linking him right after
49:51
it mentions Goliath and... Yeah, and at the least,
49:56
it's like, if they're saying that within this
50:00
lineage, they tend to have extra fingers and
50:03
toes. Saying that this one also does, it's like,
50:06
oh no, he's a part of that lineage. And he was
50:08
also descended from the giants. Yeah. But the
50:10
thing is, it's like... The other thing with that
50:12
too is... even just looking at historical texts
50:15
in general and especially like in scripture it's
50:17
like it doesn't usually give us details about
50:20
someone's body sure or like descriptors unless
50:24
it's symbolic or meaningful in some way yeah
50:27
and i think what like one of the main things
50:29
i think we do know about um the unique piece
50:34
with giants in particular is that the genetic
50:38
mutation seems to be what's happening. Like there
50:41
seems to be a genetic mutation. Yeah. So in other
50:44
words, there's something introduced into the
50:46
bloodline that was not intended to be there causing
50:50
something that looks different from the original
50:54
intent of the DNA structure of humanity. Yes.
50:58
So in that sense, it's like it's another DNA
51:01
marker. It's like, yes. Hey, that guy's a giant.
51:05
I can probably assume he has six fingers and
51:07
six toes. Or 24 phalanges. Yeah, and I mean that
51:13
could even be a marker. Do you have 24 phalanges?
51:15
How many fingers can you count on one hand? Call
51:17
this number, 1 -800 -Goliath. Goliath. We'll
51:22
count your hand for you. Yeah. I mean that's
51:26
the other thing too, for them it's like if that
51:28
was a genetic trait, if they saw someone with
51:32
six fingers and they're like, oh. But we know
51:35
what your lineage looks like. Well and they listed
51:37
a couple of those things too. It's like great
51:39
stature is probably the first thing you notice.
51:41
Yes. And then you see that as well. So like,
51:45
yeah, I don't know. It would be, it potentially
51:49
like, let's just say that Goliath and his brother
51:52
don't have six fingers on each hand and six toes
51:55
on each foot. They potentially had other. Genetic
51:59
mutations where it's like yeah, maybe it's just
52:02
saying that there were all of the Giants all
52:04
the descendants of Giants they were both great
52:07
in stature and they had weird genetic defects
52:09
Yeah, I mean so that that is something we see
52:13
common across Descript like ancient descriptors
52:16
of Giants. Yeah, and it's typically They're too
52:20
tall. Yes, they're too strong. Yes, and they're
52:22
way too violent, right? Those are like the three
52:25
main things we see all the time. Yeah Which is
52:27
like yeah, they're really big and they like to
52:29
just punch stuff Yeah, like the Hulk. Yeah They
52:34
just Hulk smash Okay, but so the Giants themselves
52:40
like we talked about this a little bit and I
52:41
think it's probably important to just like briefly
52:43
mention it But like we talked about like the
52:46
anakeem And the Raphael yeah, and we we kind
52:51
of okay, so like what exactly does that mean
52:55
like can we look at some of that genealogy and
53:01
also point at different pieces. Throughout the
53:06
time, I think the main place where it comes up
53:08
is we see Genesis 6 where the Nephilim are mentioned.
53:12
And then we see that after that, Nimrod becomes
53:18
a gibor, which is, that's the mighty men. The
53:22
men of renown. The men of renown in Genesis 6.
53:25
And then we see with Joshua and the scouts going
53:30
into the land of Canaan, that they actually call
53:34
them, we saw the Nephilim. Like we saw Nephilim
53:39
in the land. And when they say Nephilim in the
53:44
land of Canaan, it's linked up to the Rephaim
53:47
and the Anakim, or the sons of Anak. And so that's
53:52
the interesting piece. So it gives us markers
53:55
of lineages. And instead of being like, well,
53:59
Nephilim's only in these two places. You know
54:02
what I mean? You go, well, actually, it links
54:06
it and it ties it into these other tribes, like
54:09
the Anakim and the Rephaim. And then later on,
54:14
there's like... there's other tribes that are
54:17
in the region of the land of Canaan or in the
54:21
peripheral regions that it strategically links
54:24
them in the same way that when Moses is writing
54:29
the beginning of Genesis, he in Genesis six is
54:34
like, and they were in the land in those days
54:36
and after. And you're like, well, why would you
54:39
write that except that you're writing it from
54:42
the time after? So Moses is writing it from the
54:45
time after, so when he writes that in Genesis
54:47
chapter 6 verse 4, he's writing this passage
54:51
where he realizes that the origin of those beings
54:58
or the mutation of that is pre -flood. But he
55:03
knows that they exist in his time. So, of course
55:07
it says, and then after. Yeah, because he's like,
55:10
I'm looking at one right now. Yeah, like that's,
55:12
I've heard of these. I've seen them. Yeah. Like
55:15
I've interacted with them. He, Moses has been
55:18
in Egypt potentially watching some of them. Yes.
55:22
No, honestly. And maybe taking command of some
55:24
of them as potential slaves in building projects.
55:29
Oh, they probably wouldn't be called slaves.
55:31
Fair. They'd be called like your... partner But
55:40
you never know there But yeah, and honestly in
55:44
those those words and this is where it gets it
55:47
gets tricky is because we actually see a Lot
55:50
of these words all throughout scripture. Mm -hmm
55:54
But all but they're translated differently in
55:57
a lot of places. Yeah, and then so Joshua chapter
56:01
11, verse 22, states that no Anakim remain in
56:06
Israelite territory except that some remained
56:09
in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod. And those are the
56:14
crucial geographic bridge that places Anakim
56:17
remnant in Gath. So Joshua even mentions it.
56:22
They pushed them all out of the main places of
56:25
Israel, but some of the Anakim survivors are
56:30
down in Gath. So before we even get to this moment
56:34
with Goliath, we see that Joshua even mentions
56:37
that there's still giants outside the land, but
56:41
they're not in the land anymore. So they're still
56:44
around. They're not in our space. Right, and
56:46
that's why when we see the Philistines, it's
56:48
like, well, the Philistines are a problem because...
56:51
it's not because the Philistines themselves are
56:54
a problem, it's because of. Who they're teaming
56:55
up with. Yes, and who is in their midst. And
56:59
then how that is a remnant of pre -flood situation
57:02
that potentially causes the flood. And there's
57:06
this whole blend of these things where giants
57:09
are a problem. And it's not like, well giants
57:13
are good people too. That's not really the conversation
57:17
the conversation is like the Giants got there
57:20
as a byproduct of Sinful actions and humanity
57:26
not Being fruitful and multiplying in the way
57:30
that they were intended to be fruitful and multiply.
57:33
Yeah, and I'll continue to be slightly vague
57:35
Okay, I like it so I know I mean that's not a
57:40
full breakdown of Giants, but that's a little
57:42
bit. That's it. That's a good start Yeah, that
57:45
at least shows us the bridge of the Nephilim
57:51
to the Rephaim to the Anakim, the sons of Anak.
57:54
And then Joshua mentioning that the Anakim are
57:57
down in Gath, where later we see them team up
58:01
with the Philistines who are in that region.
58:03
And then we get these giants in Chronicles and
58:08
then Second Samuel that are a problem again.
58:12
And those are the giants that were pushed out
58:16
of Israel, but not destroyed. So they eventually
58:19
come back to hurt Israel. Yes. So, yeah. Yeah.
58:24
And I mean, that's something that we see inside
58:27
scripture and outside of scripture, is just the
58:30
influence of the giants. Yeah. Which that is
58:34
a whole other episode to talk about for sure
58:37
if you ever get down that path. Yeah. Yeah. I
58:42
mean, I feel like we, if you just like watch
58:45
all of our episodes, you can piece it all together.
58:48
I think so. Yeah, probably. There's a lot of
58:51
giant talk. There's a giant amount of giant talk.
58:55
There's a massive amount. Yeah. But the one thing
58:59
I did want to talk about a little bit too. Okay.
59:02
And because even on more of like a symbolic,
59:05
meaningful side. Yeah. Focusing back on this
59:08
like six fingers thing. Yeah. Cause I think that
59:11
also plays a role into the, like the layers of
59:15
the narrative and what scripture is trying to
59:19
lay out in a lot of different ways. Cause you
59:22
know, I say this a lot as well and we talk about
59:25
it's like, there's never just like one meaning,
59:28
but it's always like, it's layering meaning on
59:30
meaning. And so with this, it's interesting.
59:33
Cause even when we look at like ancient warfare
59:35
and this is part of why giants were so powerful
59:38
and they were mighty warriors. um and one of
59:41
them is like well if they did have extra fingers
59:43
like what does that mean you know what i mean
59:45
yeah or you've had extra toes yeah um because
59:48
that is something we see outside of scripture
59:50
in other ancient texts as well yeah it's not
59:52
just in scripture um there's like oh a lot of
59:55
these guys actually had this trait true um but
59:58
it's like so for grips like oh yeah they have
1:00:00
better grip strength yeah because they have a
1:00:02
whole extra finger for the reach yeah yeah all
1:00:06
the better to grab you with My, what an extra
1:00:10
finger you have, grandma. And then it's like
1:00:15
they also have better control of their weapons.
1:00:18
Yeah. And it's also horrifying to look at. True.
1:00:25
But then as far as like their toes go, it's like,
1:00:27
yeah, they have better stability and they can
1:00:29
stand their ground a little bit better. So it's
1:00:31
like all. Why I'm saying all this is really to
1:00:34
point out this, I think this other element of
1:00:36
the biblical narrative where it's like, okay,
1:00:37
here's this like obviously superior warrior.
1:00:41
Yes. And now all these just like regular guys
1:00:44
are going to go take them out. Something I didn't
1:00:48
even consider is the idea that man was not made
1:00:52
for war. Yeah. But the Rephaim were. They were.
1:00:57
Yeah. And that's an issue. Because when you think
1:01:00
about it, it's like Yeah, they were they were
1:01:03
too big. Yes. They were too strong. Yes. And
1:01:06
too violent. Yes. And when you look perfect for
1:01:09
war. Exactly. Yeah. And when you look at like
1:01:12
when you look at like Samson's a great example.
1:01:15
Yeah. When you look at Samson, it's never talking
1:01:17
about his stature or his physical strength. It's
1:01:21
it's mentioning that the spirit of the Lord comes
1:01:23
upon him. And supernaturally, there is there
1:01:27
are feats of strength. Yes. That occur. And that's
1:01:31
what happens with everybody. So like, every judge
1:01:37
has that characteristic. All the warriors, it's
1:01:41
the Spirit of God comes upon them to do these
1:01:44
things that are outside of their physical ability
1:01:48
to do. But yet, the Anakim and the Rephaim and
1:01:52
the Nephilim, these are genetic mutated individuals
1:01:58
that are geared towards war. Yes. They're geared
1:02:03
towards battle. Yes. In a way that humanity was
1:02:06
not originally equipped. Which is kind of interesting.
1:02:10
It's very interesting. It's a technology mutation
1:02:13
of humanity. Yes. It's a super soldier. Yeah.
1:02:17
Which maybe that opens up a whole other can of
1:02:19
worms. It does and I'm glad actually it did.
1:02:24
But yeah, no you're exactly right. Should I just
1:02:27
say it? Is that a crazy thing to say? Do you
1:02:30
know what I'm referring to? I think so. Okay.
1:02:34
I was trying to say it would be more fun to keep
1:02:35
them on the edge. Well, it's not, we wouldn't
1:02:39
do an episode on it. Oh, okay. Well, just the
1:02:42
idea that like potentially Hitler's super soldier
1:02:44
concept was actually more about spiritual rituals
1:02:49
going back to the days of Nimrod. There's a lot
1:02:53
I can say about that. I know but that's obviously
1:02:56
it's it's it's I would say probably it's Speculation
1:03:00
but with a lot of data points. There's a lot
1:03:03
of data points that would Make it seem very plausible
1:03:07
and the idea would be that a super soldier is
1:03:10
taking a human and making them genetically modifying
1:03:14
them to be a warrior, which is exactly what the
1:03:18
Rephaim, the Anakim, it's what the Nephilim were.
1:03:23
They were genetically modified humans that were
1:03:29
mighty men of old. They were the men of renown.
1:03:32
They were the ones to dominate and to rule the
1:03:35
earth. That's what they were supposed to do.
1:03:38
Yeah, but that was supposed to be humanity's
1:03:41
job. Exactly. And so that is the thing. So when
1:03:45
you hear super soldier, that really is, it harkens
1:03:50
back to Nimrod became a gibor. And so that's
1:03:54
the whole thing. These giants, they're super
1:04:01
soldiers. They are, through spiritual means,
1:04:05
their genetics and their DNA is modified for
1:04:09
them to become a superior warrior, which is not
1:04:14
what humanity was designed to do. Not to fight
1:04:17
each other, but instead to have dominion over
1:04:21
the earth. And that's how our DNA was laid out.
1:04:25
That's how our bodies are made. Yes. Yeah. Yeah,
1:04:28
exactly. So maybe that does make sense. Maybe
1:04:33
this is that episode. It actually kind of feels
1:04:36
like it was. So there, there you go. There's
1:04:42
our, another Short Kings series episode. But
1:04:46
it's time about not Short Kings. And also, way
1:04:50
too many digits. Yeah, but we finally kind of
1:04:53
more directly talked about Giants. Yeah, that's
1:04:55
true. That is kind of a, yeah. Yeah. Maybe we
1:05:01
should fully go into Giants next. Honestly, that'd
1:05:05
be super - I mean, this would be a perfect setup.
1:05:07
Yeah, that's true. Maybe we should. Okay. I love
1:05:09
how we're doing it right after talking about
1:05:11
a bunch of short people. It makes sense. And
1:05:14
the biggest people. Actually, it does make a
1:05:15
lot of sense. Yeah, go from the short ones. The
1:05:18
tall ones. Or we could go to the really, really
1:05:20
short ones. Oh, yeah. Let's not talk about that.
1:05:23
That could be fun, though. Watch out for giants.
1:05:26
Three, two, one.