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Kay Hill: Why Shane Gillis & Modern Comedy Are Terrifying the Mainstream Media · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: Why is this happening? Young voters are leaving in droves.
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Speaker 1: What exactly is it that's pushing young voters away from
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Speaker 1: especially the conservative right? Well, Cahill says the answer may
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Speaker 1: be sitting in plain sight and people like Shane Gillis,
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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn and what they understand could reshape
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Speaker 1: the next election. Here's a bit of a preview. Then
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Speaker 2: He won cancel culture, basically. So Gillis got famous because
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Speaker 2: he was hired as a writer for SNL, then fired
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Speaker 2: because he made a legitimately funny Asian joke.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And then he kind of said, well, if I don't
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Speaker 2: get to go and write for SNL, then I'm just
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Speaker 2: going to carry on being a stand up and I'm
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Speaker 2: going to write my own stuff and I'm going to
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Speaker 2: go work with my friends like. Tony Hinchcliffe, who is,
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Speaker 2: you know, the godfather right now, certainly the gatekeeper.
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Speaker 1: Why is the right so stupid that they're not taking
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Speaker 1: advantage of the split on the left? And is this
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Speaker 1: about Charlie Kirk not being involved anymore? Is this about
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Speaker 1: nobody really filling that void? Is this about Tucker Carlson
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Speaker 1: and MTG and Thomas Mastey and Joe Kent sitting around
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Speaker 1: a table and laughing and waving at the camera? What
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Speaker 1: the hell's going on on the right?
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Speaker 2: No, as much as, listen, like everyone attacks Tucker. I
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Speaker 2: worked for Daily Caller for way too long to ever
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Speaker 2: attack Tucker. But when I, yeah, no. Him, Candice, all
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Speaker 2: those guys, that is, bless their hearts, but that is
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Speaker 2: not the divide we're seeing amongst the GOP. The GOP
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Speaker 2: right now, so, well, actually, let's take it back a
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Speaker 2: little bit here, Jo. Let's go back all the way
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Speaker 2: to 2020. So 2020, that election's heating up. We're seeing
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Speaker 2: a lot of young people moving for Trump, but the
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Speaker 2: needle isn't quite pushed as far as it needs to go.
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Speaker 2: Young people, they're not going to go vote for Biden.
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Speaker 2: And I'm talking about, what is it, young people? I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about millennials. So actually, we're not that young anymore.
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Speaker 2: We're in our mid-40s, some of us. um so i
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Speaker 2: would say the age sort of around 40 45 and
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Speaker 2: under this is the demographic i'm talking about when i
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Speaker 2: go you know for younger gop voters who you know
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Speaker 2: traditionally probably would have voted democrat or just not shown
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Speaker 2: up at all 10 15 years ago so we saw
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Speaker 2: some good movement in 2020 not quite enough and then
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Speaker 2: we had you know the charlie kirk millennial gen z
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Speaker 2: youth tsunami that was 2024. And Trump really, truly won
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Speaker 2: young people, not just because of Charlie Kirk, but because
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Speaker 2: he was anti-war. That's what we love. And he wanted
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Speaker 2: to bring out all of, uh, the Epstein stuff to light. And,
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure there are a handful of young
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Speaker 2: people who wrote for him because he talked about, uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, everyone thought that he was going to be
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Speaker 2: the guy to legalize weed, you know, talk about the UFOs,
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Speaker 2: you know, break down the intelligence agencies and stop them
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Speaker 2: experimenting on, you know, the American people psychologically, et cetera,
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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, yada, yada, yada. Cut forward, early 2026,
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Speaker 2: I guess we're mid-2026 now, but really not that long
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Speaker 2: into Trump's second term. He is is hemorrhaging the millennial
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Speaker 2: vote they are not going liberal they are not going
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Speaker 2: towards the democrats but he is hemorrhaging that call they're
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Speaker 2: just staying home joe they're just staying home it's not
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Speaker 2: gonna work and i think it's i think it's definitely
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Speaker 2: partly due to the void left by charlie kirk so
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Speaker 2: when he was assassinated almost a year ago now which
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Speaker 2: is kind of crazy to think When he was assassinated, Joe,
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Speaker 2: there is no one out there who's ever going to
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Speaker 2: replace him. There was a minute where they thought it
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Speaker 2: was going to be, what was that kid's name? Breeland?
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Speaker 2: Brylin Holland?
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Speaker 1: No idea.
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Speaker 2: That young? No idea? Yeah, exactly. That's the kind of
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Speaker 2: impact he made. Yeah. The kind of impact he made,
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people looking at his platform
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Speaker 2: thought he was way too young, way too feminine, really
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Speaker 2: just completely non-representative of that core youth demographic that really
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Speaker 2: showed up back in 2020. Well, let me ask you this.
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Speaker 1: I mean, why do you think, because I've got my
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Speaker 1: own opinions on this, but why do you think TPUSA
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Speaker 1: has done so badly in replacing him? Early on, you're
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Speaker 1: in shock. I get it. It's disgusting. Your leader is gone.
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Speaker 1: The creator is gone. The guy who basically was the
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Speaker 1: glue is gone. It's been almost a year, as you said.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to be Andrew Colvette. It's not going
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Speaker 1: to be the producer guy. I forget his name now,
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Speaker 1: who's on that show. That's how important he is. Why
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Speaker 1: wasn't there sort of a farm team at TPUSA? Was
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Speaker 1: Charlie every single thing to that organization? Because it is
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Speaker 1: not the organization it was a year ago. And again,
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Speaker 1: even if you had a six-month period, I get it.
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Speaker 1: Why haven't they retooled yet? Why was there no backup plan?
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Speaker 2: I think one of the places where TPUSA has really
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Speaker 2: messed up, and I feel awful talking about this joke
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Speaker 2: because I have so many friends that work with TPUSA
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Speaker 2: who are involved there. But they really are so out
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Speaker 2: of touch with what actual younger, like their generation of
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Speaker 2: voters care about, want and believe. Firstly, I don't know
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Speaker 2: a single human being outside of like, I guess, maybe
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Speaker 2: Andrew Colbert and a couple of others. No one believes
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Speaker 2: that Tyler Robinson acted alone. And most of the people
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Speaker 2: I know don't even think that he was the one
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Speaker 2: that took the shot. The fact that they have basically
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Speaker 2: ignored all of the people like myself included who watched
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Speaker 2: what happened that day were there in real time watching
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Speaker 2: all the stuff that was being posted online, looking at
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Speaker 2: all the videos that were being shared. Like not all
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Speaker 2: of us are sitting around being like as absolutely manic
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Speaker 2: as you know. the candace owens of the world but
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Speaker 2: i don't know a single human being that truly believes
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Speaker 2: that charlie's neck stopped a bullet that's not a thing
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Speaker 2: um and i really don't know anyone who truly believes
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Speaker 2: the story that we're being told about his assassination so
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Speaker 2: they've lost trust that's just completely out the window.
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Speaker 1: Well let me let me let me throw this out
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Speaker 1: there um i've talked to people who say a 30-06
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Speaker 1: could have done that i talked to others who say
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Speaker 1: there's no way it could have done that so there's
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Speaker 1: certainly open there's an opening there for opinion for more analysis.
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Speaker 1: Am I getting what you're laying down? Are you saying,
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Speaker 1: had TPUSA said, we think Tyler Robinson was definitely involved
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Speaker 1: because the authorities tell us so, but we don't think
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Speaker 1: this is the whole story. Have they just come out
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Speaker 1: and said that? Do they garner more respect, more membership,
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Speaker 1: more support? If they just said that, your problem, and
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Speaker 1: it's not your problem, your analysis of the problem, is
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Speaker 1: that TPUSA has been too closed-minded about what happened to Charlie.
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Speaker 2: It's not even just closed-minded. I think it's just they're
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Speaker 2: not answering the questions that people have about what they
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Speaker 2: saw that day. And you've got to also understand millennials
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Speaker 2: in general are a very low-trust generation. Our first collective
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Speaker 2: memory as a demographic, as a generational demographic, is Diana
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Speaker 2: clearly being killed by probably the royal family and then
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Speaker 2: us being lied to about it. Then we watched 9-11 happen.
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Speaker 1: August 31st, 1997, I think. Go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Yep. And then we had 9-11 happen and, you know,
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Speaker 2: we were lied to about it. And then we saw
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Speaker 2: our parents, our friends get sent off to a war
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Speaker 2: that we lost, that we were lied to about. And
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Speaker 2: then you come into 2008, where we watched our families
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Speaker 2: and our homes being destroyed by the financial sector. No
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Speaker 2: one getting in trouble for it. No one went out
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Speaker 2: and arrested the bankers that caused that total collapse of
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Speaker 2: the global economy. So we don't trust that kind of
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Speaker 2: establishment class. Then we have the last decade, I would say,
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Speaker 2: before COVID, where everything seemed to be going good, but
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Speaker 2: everything got so extremely expensive that it kind of cut
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Speaker 2: us out of the rat race. No one in the
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Speaker 2: millennial generation has been able to do what our parents
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Speaker 2: did because of the economic strife that came post 2008,
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Speaker 2: but also the greed that came post 2008.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And then you had COVID, which like, I mean, do
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Speaker 2: we really want to get into that and the vaccines?
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Speaker 2: We all live through that. We all know what that was.
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Speaker 2: So we're a generation.
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Speaker 1: Rightfully so. Let me, let me let you know something.
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Speaker 1: I'm an older Gen X person. And I don't trust
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Speaker 1: the government either. So I think there are a lot
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Speaker 1: of low-trust generations. But I'm less important vote-wise because I'm
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Speaker 1: going to vote for the conservative person. And I'm going
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Speaker 1: to make sure I go and vote. Your contention is
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Speaker 1: a great one. They're not going to vote for the DSA.
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Speaker 1: They're too smart for that. They're not going to vote
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Speaker 1: for a Democrat necessarily, depending on who they put up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if it's Kamala or Gavin, forget it. And
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Speaker 1: they're definitely not going to vote for somebody on the right,
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Speaker 1: a conservative on the right, unless they say, I agree
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Speaker 1: you shouldn't trust government, and I'm the reason why I'll
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Speaker 1: bring trust back to government. So if you were actually
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Speaker 1: a campaign manager or somebody who was an advisor, you
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Speaker 1: would tell these people, maybe it's J.D. Vance, maybe it's
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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio, maybe it's Ron DeSantis, maybe it's somebody we
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Speaker 1: don't know about yet. You would get in their ear
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Speaker 1: and say, you can only win them back if you
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Speaker 1: agree with them on their distrust for the entire machine.
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Speaker 2: Yes. And it's funny that you mentioned that. I'm trying
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Speaker 2: to remember what I'm allowed to say and what I'm
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Speaker 2: not allowed to say. We talk about this. I do
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Speaker 2: a lot of research for people. I also do private research.
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Speaker 2: That's something that I do. I mean, I haven't done
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Speaker 2: as much of it since I became a mom, but
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Speaker 2: ramping up into the midterms, I'm getting a lot of calls.
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Speaker 2: What are people thinking, saying, doing? How do we sort
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Speaker 2: of win back this youth vote? And the issue I think,
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Speaker 2: with all of the people that are going to be
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Speaker 2: running on the conservative base is. In the same way,
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Speaker 2: so a lot of the young people who would want
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Speaker 2: to go and vote for J.D. Vance, who would want
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Speaker 2: to go and vote for Marco Rubio, he's now in
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Speaker 2: this kind of awkward, like almost Obama type situation.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Where, you know, if you can throw yourself back to 2008,
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Speaker 2: you know, there was like the hope and all that
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And everyone was like, oh, he's going
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Speaker 2: to get us out of all of these wars. And
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Speaker 2: he's going to revolutionized the economy. And he's, you know,
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Speaker 2: he's not part of the political establishment. That's what one Obama,
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Speaker 2: the same demo, literally the same people I'm talking about
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Speaker 2: right now in 2008, Like when they had the opportunity
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Speaker 2: to vote for him, either in 2008 or 2012, they
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Speaker 2: went out and did it because he was pushing the
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Speaker 2: stuff that our generation want. We don't want to be
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Speaker 2: involved in yet another 10 year, 20 year, even a
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Speaker 2: two minute war in the Middle East. The let's be honest,
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Speaker 2: doesn't really feel like it has anything to do with us.
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Speaker 2: It feels like we're fighting it on the part of
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Speaker 2: other people in the same way that we didn't want
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Speaker 2: to be involved in the war in Ukraine. It has
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with us. Why would we send people there?
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Speaker 2: Why would we put money towards that? It's not our problem.
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Speaker 2: Leave it alone. But now Trump has kind of unfortunately
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Speaker 2: been backed. I don't think this is his doing. I
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Speaker 2: just want to stress that. I don't think Trump would
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Speaker 2: have done half the stuff that he's done in this
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Speaker 2: term if it was completely up to him, but he's
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Speaker 2: really been backed into a corner where he is now
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Speaker 2: a president at war. And that was one of the biggest,
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Speaker 2: you know, sort of check boxes for him back in 2024.
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Speaker 2: We didn't want the wars. He was the no war president.
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Speaker 2: He already proved that in his first term and we
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Speaker 2: wanted it for this term, but here we are. So
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Speaker 2: whoever comes after him now has to win back the trust,
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Speaker 2: basically running on the same platform that Trump ran on
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Speaker 2: in 2024 and but they have to do it and
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Speaker 2: kind of get through this brick wall that has truly
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Speaker 2: been put up around young people where we don't have
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Speaker 2: a voice of reason like Charlie and the people that
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Speaker 2: we do sit and listen to on a regular basis
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Speaker 2: are kind of standing up and saying like, look, we
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Speaker 2: were pro Trump, but like, we're not pro this version
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Speaker 2: of him. And if JD Vance is going to run
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Speaker 2: next or Rubio is going to run next, they, yes,
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Speaker 2: it's probably going to be slightly easier for them. None
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Speaker 2: of these people that I'm talking about are going to
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Speaker 2: go out and vote for a Democrat because we don't
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Speaker 2: want trannies in women's bathrooms or on our sports fields,
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Speaker 2: and we don't want our kids removed if we refuse
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Speaker 2: to admit that they're trans. We don't care about the
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Speaker 2: climate change things. It's not a real thing. All of
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Speaker 2: their platforms, like Democrats, no. They're just a joke.
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Speaker 2: But anyone who's going to run next is, has to
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Speaker 2: overcome this, yeah, this brick wall that has been put
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Speaker 2: up around our generation where it was like, well, Obama
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Speaker 2: lied to us and screwed us over. So that's why
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Speaker 2: we went for Trump. And now Trump's gone and done
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Speaker 2: exactly the same. But you're telling me that like the
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Speaker 2: two choices are a bunch of crazy, psychotic, socialist, communist,
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Speaker 2: Marxist scum who are going to destroy us. or a
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Speaker 2: bunch of guys who are probably going to lie to
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Speaker 2: us and end up perpetuating this war and all of
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Speaker 2: these different things. And so in this void that has
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Speaker 2: really been left in Charlie Kirk's death, you're seeing people like, uh, Today,
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Speaker 2: Daily Caller did an article. My old friend, John Loftus,
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Speaker 2: my old colleague, John Loftus, wrote a great editorial about
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Speaker 2: how Shane Gillis, I don't know if you know Shane Gillis.
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Speaker 1: Let me stop you there because you and I were
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Speaker 1: texting about Shane Gillis earlier. I could pick him out
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Speaker 1: of a lineup. I know what he looks like. I
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Speaker 1: think that I've seen him on some roasts and I
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Speaker 1: think that he's very funny. Why does he have his
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Speaker 1: finger on the pulse? Why are millennials like you and
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Speaker 1: even Gen Z or Gen Alpha, why are they paying
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Speaker 1: attention to this guy? What is he doing? That's grabbing
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Speaker 1: their ears.
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Speaker 2: He's probably one of the most frank, honest comedians you'll
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Speaker 2: ever listen to. Like I would credit Shane Gillis in
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Speaker 2: bringing back the words like, you know, like when you
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Speaker 2: joke amongst your friends, you call them retard. If you
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Speaker 2: joke amongst your friends and you call them gay, like
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Speaker 2: he kind of brought that back for our generation. Like
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Speaker 2: he got rid of cancer. He won cancel culture basically.
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Speaker 2: So Gillis got famous because he was hired as a
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Speaker 2: writer for SNL and then fired because he made a
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Speaker 2: legitimately funny Asian joke.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And then he kind of said, well, if I don't
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Speaker 2: get to go and write for SNL, then I'm just
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Speaker 2: going to carry on being a standup and I'm going
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Speaker 2: to write my own stuff. And I'm going to go
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Speaker 2: work with my friends like Tony Hinchcliffe, who is, you know,
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Speaker 2: the godfather right now, certainly the gatekeeper of the modern comedy.
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Speaker 1: Because these guys are not only doing comedy, they're doing
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Speaker 1: comedy like Lenny Bruce did. And Lenny Bruce is way
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Speaker 1: before your time. If you look him up, he was profane,
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Speaker 1: he was foul, he was direct, he said anything you wanted,
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Speaker 1: and he was extremely successful, but he was, like, canceled
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Speaker 1: as far as you can get canceled in the 60s.
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Speaker 1: They're very much like George Carlin, but Carlin was way
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Speaker 1: cleaner and was less direct, but he was hilarious. Like,
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Speaker 1: Tony Hinchcliffe, I don't think he's very funny, but people
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Speaker 1: will die on that hill for Tony Hinchcliffe.
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Speaker 2: Is it Hinchcliffe?
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Speaker 1: Is that how he pronounces it?
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Speaker 2: Hitchcliffe. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, and I've seen Shane Gillis in
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Speaker 1: that scenario too. It is completely over the top. It's
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Speaker 1: completely in cancelable territory, but it's really working. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not here to, I'm not criticizing them. I'm telling you
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Speaker 1: what I watched it first. Whoa, what is this guy thinking?
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Speaker 1: I remember Hinchcliffe got in trouble because he talked about
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Speaker 1: Puerto Rico being a barge of garbage floating in the ocean. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys just don't care. Is that what
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Speaker 1: your generation and younger wants? Just hit me between the
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Speaker 1: eyes with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we all think that the world is
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Speaker 2: going to end because a bunch of globalist, like glorified
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Speaker 2: lizard people are trying to enrich themselves. And we think
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Speaker 2: that COVID was a lie and a scam and an
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Speaker 2: attempt at depopulation. And we don't trust big pharma. We
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Speaker 2: don't trust our schools because kids literally can't read in
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Speaker 2: most major cities across this country. So yeah, when we're
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Speaker 2: faced with, oh yeah, we can't afford to fill our
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Speaker 2: tanks with gas. It's basically impossible to buy a house.
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Speaker 2: We have insane mortgage rates. Like, just go down the
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Speaker 2: list of where we're at in terms of the world,
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Speaker 2: but particularly our generation on just trying to get a grip.
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Speaker 2: When people like Shane Gillis, Tony Hinchcliffe, Joe Rogan, I
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Speaker 2: would say like Theo Vaughn, Jeff Dye. When these guys
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Speaker 2: stand up and basically start ripping everything to shreds and
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Speaker 2: really just go out on a limb and just, you know,
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Speaker 2: very edgy in their comedy. But it's how, I hate
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Speaker 2: to say it, Joe, but if you hang out with
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Speaker 2: millennials at home type thing, that's how we all talk
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Speaker 2: about everything. That's how we all talk to each other
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Speaker 2: because we're not going to be told by an establishment
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Speaker 2: how to think and feel when we know that establishment
18:23
Speaker 2: is not listening to us. And we've had it proven
18:25
Speaker 2: time and time again. Oh, we're going to fix this. Oh,
18:27
Speaker 2: we're going to do that. Oh, we're going to save everything.
18:29
Speaker 2: Guess what, guys? We still think the world is going
18:31
Speaker 2: to end. So we're going to listen to our favorite
18:34
Speaker 2: podcasters and comedians about how they also think the world
18:38
Speaker 2: is going to end, but we're going to have a
18:40
Speaker 2: laugh on the way down. And so they've kind of
18:43
Speaker 2: filled this cultural zeitgeist and gotten this, like, very firm
18:47
Speaker 2: grip on young people that I don't even think that
18:49
Speaker 2: they want. I really don't think that any of these men,
18:54
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of these comedians, like, personally,
18:57
Speaker 2: from my time back in L.A., even went out with
18:59
Speaker 2: a couple of them, none of them want the kind of.
19:03
Speaker 1: No, you went out with them, get out of here.
19:04
Speaker 1: There's no way.
19:06
Speaker 2: I know. Crazy, right?
19:08
Speaker 1: For those watching and listening, if I mention a band case, like, yeah,
19:11
Speaker 1: I used to date the drummer. If I mention somebody
19:13
Speaker 1: who makes videos, yeah, yeah, no, I was in that video.
19:15
Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that you know these people. That's
19:18
Speaker 1: for sure. But let me ask you this. Because Hinchcliffe
19:20
Speaker 1: was invited to speak at a Trump rally, and that's
19:22
Speaker 1: when he said the Puerto Rico line. Then everybody's trying
19:24
Speaker 1: to get away from the Puerto Rico line, which is stupid.
19:27
Speaker 1: Is Trump paying attention like he did in the race
19:31
Speaker 1: for 2024? And here's what I mean. His son, Barron, clearly...
19:34
Speaker 1: was telling him, I don't care. You got to go
19:37
Speaker 1: on that guy's podcast. Doesn't matter to me. If you're
19:39
Speaker 1: not on the podcast, you're not going to win. If
19:40
Speaker 1: you don't sit down with Rogan for three hours, you're
19:42
Speaker 1: not going to win. Go on Theo Vaughn. Go on this, that,
19:44
Speaker 1: and the other. So he seemed to have his pulse
19:47
Speaker 1: on what your generation and younger were looking for. for
19:50
Speaker 1: via Barron. I feel like he's gone away from that.
19:53
Speaker 1: Even doing the war effort against Iran, I think he
19:55
Speaker 1: goes away from that. I think complaining about South Korea
19:58
Speaker 1: yesterday on Truth and talking about how he's great friends
20:01
Speaker 1: with Kim Jong-un, it didn't make a lot of sense.
20:04
Speaker 1: Do you think the younger advisors have been pushed aside
20:06
Speaker 1: by somebody who's older and more sort of old school
20:10
Speaker 1: that that doesn't get what the younger generation wants and
20:13
Speaker 1: i keep saying younger generation but i'm gen x yeah
20:17
Speaker 1: and i feel exactly the same way i'm like why
20:19
Speaker 1: are you going away from what worked and what you
20:22
Speaker 1: know worked in the first term what worked to get
20:24
Speaker 1: you re-elected in 2024 it seems like he's abandoning that
20:27
Speaker 1: a bit does that make.
20:28
Speaker 2: Sense yes and Okay, I'm probably going to get in
20:33
Speaker 2: a little bit of trouble for saying this because I
20:36
Speaker 2: wasn't even going to potentially send my client this data.
20:39
Speaker 2: But most people, Joe, in that sort of, you know,
20:43
Speaker 2: millennial generation, they think the only reason that Trump is
20:46
Speaker 2: doing all of this stuff is because he's being blackmailed.
20:51
Speaker 2: They think the Jeffrey Epstein was, you know, on some,
20:55
Speaker 2: like he was an asset either for CIA, Mossad, like Russians, whoever, anyone.
21:02
Speaker 2: And they think that whoever that body is, whether it's,
21:06
Speaker 2: you know, American intel agencies or a foreign intel agency,
21:10
Speaker 2: they think that Trump is literally being blackmailed into doing
21:14
Speaker 2: what he's doing because it literally makes No sense for
21:18
Speaker 2: him to step this far away. Listen, I'm like here for,
21:22
Speaker 2: I love the way that when, you know, like when
21:25
Speaker 2: Trump stood on the lawn, like when he was walking
21:27
Speaker 2: out to the helicopter and said, these guys, you know,
21:30
Speaker 2: they've been fighting forever. They don't know what the F
21:34
Speaker 2: they're doing. I loved when he ripped apart Zelenskyy. and
21:38
Speaker 2: said like, you're going to come in here dressed like
21:40
Speaker 2: trash and try and yell at me about what you want.
21:42
Speaker 2: Get out of here. Like you loser, you know, like that,
21:45
Speaker 2: that was like, he has these moments where we see
21:49
Speaker 2: the Trump that, you know, all my friends and everyone
21:52
Speaker 2: voted for. But I think stepping away as much as
21:56
Speaker 2: he has, it makes such little sense that most people
22:00
Speaker 2: think that he's being blackmailed into doing it. Cause like
22:04
Speaker 2: you said, it's, what like and i don't think that
22:06
Speaker 2: that is necessarily the truth i'm just telling you what
22:09
Speaker 2: my data says that people think is the truth just
22:13
Speaker 2: like they think that in 50 years time we're going
22:15
Speaker 2: to learn that it was a u.s intel agency that
22:19
Speaker 2: killed or was at least involved in the death of
22:21
Speaker 2: charlie kirk you know like same with jfk like do
22:26
Speaker 2: they really think there's no.
22:27
Speaker 1: Doubt now there's no jfk that's for sure but let
22:31
Speaker 1: me let me throw this at you i'm going to
22:32
Speaker 1: give you my theory on epstein And I'm not saying
22:34
Speaker 1: this to defend Trump, but I think that there could
22:37
Speaker 1: be some truth here because Mike Johnson, the Speaker of
22:39
Speaker 1: the House, slipped one day when the media was there.
22:42
Speaker 1: And he said, well, what are you talking about? He
22:43
Speaker 1: was working with the FBI to get Jeffrey Epstein. Something
22:47
Speaker 1: like that. He suggested that then-citizen Trump was an informant
22:51
Speaker 1: for the FBI. I think there's a chance. that Trump
22:56
Speaker 1: knows if every single thing is released, it's going to
22:59
Speaker 1: be known by all that he was an asset of
23:02
Speaker 1: the FBI. I don't have a problem with him announcing that.
23:05
Speaker 1: I would applaud him. You got a really bad guy
23:07
Speaker 1: off the streets. That's really good. We know that he
23:09
Speaker 1: called in to the local authorities. You got to do
23:12
Speaker 1: something about this guy because he's a bad guy. We
23:14
Speaker 1: know that he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago. The fear
23:16
Speaker 1: that I have, if that theory isn't true, and I
23:19
Speaker 1: think there could be some veracity to what I just
23:20
Speaker 1: said about him being an informant, the fear I have
23:23
Speaker 1: is that he's doing it to cover for his friends
23:26
Speaker 1: who he doesn't want to. He thinks they're nice people.
23:28
Speaker 1: They shouldn't get in trouble. I don't think Trump is
23:31
Speaker 1: at all complicit with what Jeffrey Epstein was doing. Had
23:34
Speaker 1: that been the case for four years of Biden, they
23:36
Speaker 1: would have redacted everything except the information that shows that
23:39
Speaker 1: Trump is bad. But what do you think of that angle?
23:41
Speaker 1: Could have been an FBI asset. Maybe he's protecting his friends,
23:44
Speaker 1: doesn't want more out there because he thinks that they're 70, 80,
23:47
Speaker 1: 90 years old. And what good would it do now?
23:50
Speaker 1: Where are you on that? I don't think he was
23:52
Speaker 1: complicit with Epstein. Now, at the end of it, what
23:54
Speaker 1: you just said is completely provably true. Young people don't
23:58
Speaker 1: give a crap. They want to know why we're not
24:00
Speaker 1: getting everything on Epstein. And it looks it stinks. that
24:03
Speaker 1: we're not getting it. What do you think about those theories?
24:05
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25:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much everyone I know is aware of the
25:14
Speaker 2: fact that, say, like, you know, Howard Lutnick lied about
25:17
Speaker 2: his relationship with Epstein. We know that from the emails.
25:21
Speaker 2: And with Lutnick being so close to Trump, doesn't look great.
25:25
Speaker 2: I 100% because I don't think that I don't believe
25:29
Speaker 2: the blackmail thing, but I also work in media. This
25:32
Speaker 2: is what I do for a living. Like I read,
25:34
Speaker 2: I watch, I know all of this stuff. I think
25:37
Speaker 2: Trump was probably almost definitely an informant and good for
25:42
Speaker 2: him if he was. I do think that he... I
25:45
Speaker 2: don't know if he... Here's the thing. I don't know
25:48
Speaker 2: if he would cover for his friends because I don't
25:51
Speaker 2: believe that Trump would be friends with people who would
25:54
Speaker 2: do that. But my fear is that he's probably covering
26:00
Speaker 2: for more of his financial backers and probably a lot
26:03
Speaker 2: of people who help fund all political parties. Because once
26:07
Speaker 2: you get up to that, like that kind of money. Right.
26:11
Speaker 2: I mean, unless you're like George Soros and you go,
26:14
Speaker 2: you know, on the hardcore communist side or you're Steve
26:18
Speaker 2: Bannon and you're hardcore on the, you know, the Republican side,
26:24
Speaker 2: like most people with that kind of money to throw
26:27
Speaker 2: at these campaigns, like the really like the consequential money,
26:31
Speaker 2: like they're just going to pay whoever wins because they
26:34
Speaker 2: want the ear of that person. They want people to
26:36
Speaker 2: like tug on their elbow and go, hey, I paid
26:38
Speaker 2: for this. You're going to do what I want. Don't
26:41
Speaker 2: care what party you're a member of. But I do
26:43
Speaker 2: think that a lot of those people like we know,
26:46
Speaker 2: we know that a lot of people at that level,
26:49
Speaker 2: we know people from, you know, the upper echelons of
26:55
Speaker 2: billionaire to like royal families from basically every country in
26:59
Speaker 2: the world. All of these sort of, yeah, glorified lizard people,
27:05
Speaker 2: if you will. Um, if you want to go tinfoil
27:08
Speaker 2: hat with it, because they are like, when you get
27:10
Speaker 2: to that kind of level, like that's, that's how the
27:12
Speaker 2: rest of the world sees you. Like you are a
27:14
Speaker 2: glorified lizard person, part of that ruling, um, oligarchy. But
27:19
Speaker 2: I think, uh, I think there are so many people
27:23
Speaker 2: within that world that were linked to Epstein and probably
27:27
Speaker 2: people worse than Epstein who actually control what goes on
27:31
Speaker 2: in the world. But I think a lot of them
27:33
Speaker 2: probably saying to Trump, okay, we've tried to kill you
27:36
Speaker 2: two or three times and you've been lucky enough to
27:39
Speaker 2: get away with it. We killed your buddy, Charlie Kirk.
27:43
Speaker 2: But if you go out and you try pushing this
27:45
Speaker 2: Epstein stuff or whatever it is, if you try and
27:48
Speaker 2: back out of this war with Iran, we'll kill you.
27:51
Speaker 2: And we've done it before because we killed JFK. We
27:55
Speaker 2: destroyed Nixon. Um, and you know, we had Charles Manson,
28:00
Speaker 2: we know for a fact now that we had Charles
28:03
Speaker 2: Manson and his sole purpose was to destroy the hippie movement.
28:07
Speaker 2: Like we've seen this happen throughout history. So yeah, I
28:11
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if he, a was an informant and
28:15
Speaker 2: B is not pushing that stuff because he wants to
28:18
Speaker 2: keep himself alive and probably wants to keep his family
28:20
Speaker 2: alive too. So I understand it from that perspective, but
28:23
Speaker 2: I think it's really, I think the midterms, a lot
28:27
Speaker 2: of people are going to, I know a lot of
28:28
Speaker 2: people are going to stay home. If those same people
28:32
Speaker 2: stay home in 2028, if the Republicans do not win
28:36
Speaker 2: back that millennial and under vote and regain that trust,
28:41
Speaker 2: like everything that the MAGA movement was will be for nothing.
28:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's reminiscent of the Tea Party movement. You were
28:50
Speaker 1: too young. You were just a baby. But in 2010,
28:52
Speaker 1: I know in 2010, we had a big Tea Party
28:56
Speaker 1: rally at Alamo Square here in San Antonio. 14,000 people
28:59
Speaker 1: came and Glenn Beck was there and Ted Nugent playing
29:02
Speaker 1: the anthem. And you had Janine Turner was there speaking.
29:05
Speaker 1: I got to speak. It was a really, really congealed
29:08
Speaker 1: great thing for the future of America. Can you tell
29:11
Speaker 1: me where the Tea Party is today? Oh, yeah, that's right.
29:13
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. The reason it doesn't exist is because
29:15
Speaker 1: it's splintered. And it wasn't because the leader died, like
29:18
Speaker 1: with Charlie Kirk. It was because everybody wanted a piece
29:21
Speaker 1: of the pie. Everybody wanted to say they were the
29:22
Speaker 1: Tea Party. There were 18 different divisions of Tea Party, this, that,
29:25
Speaker 1: and the other. And it went away, probably caused by
29:28
Speaker 1: the left that was afraid of the Tea Party movement
29:30
Speaker 1: that was being very successful. So we're about 80 days
29:33
Speaker 1: or so away from the midterm elections. Somebody who is
29:37
Speaker 1: on a level that can make a difference in this
29:40
Speaker 1: election coming up says, Kay, how can I make the millennials,
29:43
Speaker 1: how can I make the Gen Z, how can I
29:45
Speaker 1: make the Gen Alpha go and vote in November in 2026,
29:49
Speaker 1: this midterm? Is there anything that can be done right
29:52
Speaker 1: now by the GOP or the conservative right to make
29:55
Speaker 1: people understand not voting is going to be worse for
29:58
Speaker 1: you than if you do go and vote?
30:00
Speaker 2: So if it's like for locally led races, like for
30:04
Speaker 2: smaller races, for state, you know, not state like Senate level,
30:09
Speaker 2: but for the even lower rungs than that, it's all
30:12
Speaker 2: going to be local push. You have to meet people
30:15
Speaker 2: where they're at on that local level. If you just
30:19
Speaker 2: want to galvanize young people to get out and vote,
30:24
Speaker 2: I think one of the I think one of the
30:27
Speaker 2: biggest things that the Republicans really need to do is
30:31
Speaker 2: cling on to the few areas that they still have
30:35
Speaker 2: a leg up and can still be trusted. Don't go
30:38
Speaker 2: and allow your local Democrat to win because that Democrat
30:43
Speaker 2: thinks that they are a better parent to you than
30:45
Speaker 2: you are to your kids. That's one of the biggest messaging.
30:49
Speaker 2: And that's why women showed up for Republicans. That's why
30:53
Speaker 2: women show up for Trump is because The other side
30:56
Speaker 2: literally will try and take your kids away from you
30:59
Speaker 2: if your kids decide, oh, my teacher who's grooming me
31:04
Speaker 2: says that I can be whatever gender I want. It's like, OK, well,
31:07
Speaker 2: like the Democrats are going to choose that creepy teacher
31:11
Speaker 2: and themselves over you as a parent. So I think
31:14
Speaker 2: that is one of the biggest things.
31:15
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Can we use the fear factor?
31:17
Speaker 1: What I mean is if if Trump should lose the
31:20
Speaker 1: House and the Senate, they're going to impeach him once
31:22
Speaker 1: a week. It's going to be an impeachment every single week,
31:25
Speaker 1: if not every other day, for two years. And if
31:28
Speaker 1: the Senate is in the hands of the Democrats, they're
31:30
Speaker 1: going to actually bring it to trial. They're going to
31:32
Speaker 1: actually make him go through the whole process. He will
31:34
Speaker 1: have been the most impeached president ever. He already is. But,
31:37
Speaker 1: I mean, his agenda stops. He's lame duck. If they
31:39
Speaker 1: lose the House and Senate this November, it's lame duck.
31:42
Speaker 1: Can we sell that to younger voters or not?
31:44
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of younger voters don't really
31:47
Speaker 2: care because it's like, okay, he's a lame duck. Well,
31:50
Speaker 2: what has he actually done? Gas prices are down. We're
31:53
Speaker 2: in a war that we didn't want to be in.
31:56
Speaker 2: None of the Epstein files have actually been released in
31:59
Speaker 2: a big way and none of the people in them
32:01
Speaker 2: that we know are in there have gotten in trouble. Yeah,
32:04
Speaker 2: he did the Fauci thing, but no one was going
32:06
Speaker 2: to listen to Fauci ever again in the future anyway.
32:08
Speaker 2: No one cares Really, in our generation, if he gets
32:11
Speaker 2: like prosecuted or anything, because it's not like we're ever
32:13
Speaker 2: going to give him any kind of power. So he's
32:16
Speaker 2: just this like stupid little old man. Like, why are
32:18
Speaker 2: we giving him any more attention? He doesn't deserve it.
32:22
Speaker 2: I really think that if you're a Republican running on
32:27
Speaker 2: the local to the statewide level. The biggest thing you
32:31
Speaker 2: can do right now is say, I'm still a supporter
32:33
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, but I do not support this war.
32:36
Speaker 2: And I'm going to do everything in my best effort
32:38
Speaker 2: to get us out of it. I still support Donald Trump,
32:42
Speaker 2: but we need greater clarity arrests when it comes to
32:46
Speaker 2: the Epstein files. That would be a huge thing. And
32:50
Speaker 2: I think that ultimately it's the cost of living. it's
32:55
Speaker 2: the economy. Also, we know that the housing market is tanked,
32:59
Speaker 2: but the bankers won't admit it because then they'd have
33:02
Speaker 2: to admit that all of these mortgages that they've got
33:05
Speaker 2: people on, uh, underwater, like all these people are underwater
33:09
Speaker 2: on these like ridiculous mortgages. So a lot of banks
33:12
Speaker 2: are going to collapse. So I think like addressing the
33:16
Speaker 2: economy is just like a great blanket thing for people
33:19
Speaker 2: to focus on. And honestly, the run up to 2028,
33:21
Speaker 2: but if they do win if the Democrats do win
33:26
Speaker 2: the house and the Senate, and it's just an impeachment
33:28
Speaker 2: every week. I think a lot of people are just
33:30
Speaker 2: going to turn around and be like, I'm just don't
33:32
Speaker 2: care anymore. I'm just not engaged. I'm, you know, no
33:35
Speaker 2: one watches regular television anymore anyway. So like whatever the
33:40
Speaker 2: news is on, I'm not really listening to it. I'm
33:43
Speaker 2: tuning on, you know, turning on my podcast. I'm listening
33:46
Speaker 2: to unshaken and unafraid with Joe Pax. Um, you know,
33:50
Speaker 2: like it's, Like, young people aren't listening to all of
33:53
Speaker 2: these institutions that, you know, were leveraged by the intel
33:57
Speaker 2: agencies and used for, you know, propaganda and psyops for
34:01
Speaker 2: the last, you know, 80 years. Like, millennials and people, like,
34:06
Speaker 2: they're not listening to that stuff. So it almost doesn't matter.
34:10
Speaker 2: I think what's, you know, what really wins trust back is,
34:16
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, arresting people involved in the
34:19
Speaker 2: Epstein files. and actually charging them, putting them in prison
34:22
Speaker 2: for the trafficking and abuse of children. That should happen.
34:26
Speaker 1: No doubt.
34:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, focusing on the economy and getting us out of
34:29
Speaker 2: this war. But it's like, how do you do those
34:31
Speaker 2: things and still sort of retain your relationship with Trump?
34:37
Speaker 2: I think that's where things are falling down because people
34:41
Speaker 2: are still rooting for Trump to be successful, but we
34:44
Speaker 2: don't understand why he's gone so far away from his
34:48
Speaker 2: campaign promises and And I think most people, like I said,
34:52
Speaker 2: believe that he's only doing it because he's being blackmailed.
34:55
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, blackmailed by who? And then that, again,
34:59
Speaker 2: further disintegrates trust in all of our political systems.
35:04
Speaker 1: Always amazing, Kay. I think it's great information. I think
35:08
Speaker 1: you're right about Shane Gillis and others. I think that
35:10
Speaker 1: they've got the ears of the American public. The establishment
35:13
Speaker 1: on the right needs to de-establish and get with these
35:15
Speaker 1: people and say, yeah, let's roll our sleeves up like
35:18
Speaker 1: they are and let's be real. And the people listening
35:20
Speaker 1: will actually listen. Don't sugarcoat it. Don't lie to my face.
35:23
Speaker 1: Don't tell me this is happening when it's not. And
35:26
Speaker 1: I think that people can come around to trusting it.
35:28
Speaker 1: We might be too late with the midterms coming up.
35:30
Speaker 1: And if that does go the wrong way, it's going
35:31
Speaker 1: to be two sorry years in this country. We got
35:33
Speaker 1: to go, go ksmithhill.com. Go check her out on Newsmax.
35:36
Speaker 1: She's on there all the time and go check her
35:38
Speaker 1: out on social media as well. Kay, I appreciate you.
35:41
Speaker 2: Thanks, Joe. Appreciate you more.
35:42
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