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Gold Coast Councillor charged with Murder yet keeps his job. · The Slippery Slope

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  Hi Jay Fallon, slippery slope. How you going?
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  Sorry for the Husky voice. I did a bit of fishing on the
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  weekend, went out the boat and in a very sick.
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  I haven't gotten seasick for a long time.
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  Spent the whole time, the whole time like four or five hours
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  vomiting ruined my voice completely.
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  But anyway it was me we we still got managed to when I say we not
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  me, I said I was way too sick. But the other boy still got some
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  fish so still got to eat some Spanish mackerel.
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  Yesterday it was very very nice. Anyway, not here at all about
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  fishing, even though it is good in the week.
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  Sunday is to go fishing this story.
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  Look, it's not really the one I want to talk about.
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  It's not really a. It's not really a slippery slope
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  story this. Maybe I should start a new
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  section just call it what the flip.
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  What the flip stories Let's go through this.
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  I read a little bit about this the other day and I just
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  thought, this is crazy. And I was talking to it with
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  talking about it with a mate of mine I used to work with in the
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  you know, Q, PS:. In in in surveillance.
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  We were discussing it. Just neither, you know going
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  through what is going on. And I read it and I thought, you
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  know what? If I ever get charged with
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  something, this is the lawyer. This is the lawyer that I want
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  this guy here. So this headline here, if you
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  can, if you can see this, should be able to see this.
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  So Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate will meet councillor charged
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  with murder to discuss political future.
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  Like I said, this isn't really a slippery slope thing.
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  This is more of a what the flip is going on here.
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  So Tom Tate was elected as Gold Coast City Council mayor in
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  2012. He did not anticipate dealing
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  with a counselor being charged with murder during his tenure in
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  public office. But in the coming days he will
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  meet Division Seven councillor Ryan Bolden Lumsden for the
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  first time since the 30 year old was charged last week over the
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  death of his stepfather, police found the body of Robert
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  Lumsden, who's 58, who was 58, inside an Arundel home on August
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  the 23rd. So the Councillor Baldon Lumsden
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  was granted conditional bail in the Supreme Court on Thursday
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  after spending 8 days behind bars.
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  Justin Justice Lincoln Crowley ordered a $250,000 surety,
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  saying he was satisfied the counselor's continued detention
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  in jail was not justified. So in other words, he's fairly
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  positive he's not going to kill anyone else.
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  He's got it out of his system. Following the bail decision,
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  Counselor Tate said that Counselor Bolton Lumsden would
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  remain in his position and continue to be paid as a
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  counselor. Look innocent until proven
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  guilty, I suppose, but you know, to be able to keep your
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  position, getting paid in the public purse while being under
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  the cloud of being charged with murder, that's pretty next
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  level. So he wrote.
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  He said he wrote to local government minister and acting
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  Premier Steve Miles last week asking for advice.
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  Goes on say. My view has always been that
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  he's innocent until proven guilty.
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  So right now, as a counselor, and he'll do his best to operate
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  as a counselor. Under Section 122 of Local
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  Government Act, the minister has the power to suspend, dismiss a
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  counselor in the interest of public safety and those sorts of
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  things, or he does nothing. Spokesman for Miles said legal
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  advice is being sought on the situation.
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  Counselor Tate said he would attempt to meet the counselor in
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  the upcoming days to discuss his future.
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  I'm going to give him room for a couple of days.
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  Very understanding. Boss here gonna give him some
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  room for a couple of days, you know.
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  Got that little charge of murder hanging over his head.
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  Then I'll reach out for a bit of coffee, coffee with him to see
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  what he wants to do. Wow, how's this?
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  But he will be allowed to see his mother and sister socially
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  as long as they do not discuss the the Do not discuss the
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  deceased or the alleged murder. Sometimes you you do wonder how
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  how out of touch are judges, magistrates and that kind of
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  thing where they think that Oh yeah, well we'll let you go.
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  But hey, the other two people who you know have a big part to
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  play in this one, maybe not physically they've had a part
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  but you know it it affected their life very much.
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  So don't discuss, don't discuss the elephant in the room.
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  The fact that you murdered husband and and stepfather don't
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  discuss that discuss everything else.
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  So of course you know that's absolutely going to happen just
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  they seem so naive. Look what makes this more
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  interesting is what details this article goes into this headline
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  here from the ABC News. This council obviously he's
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  charged with murdering stepfather released on Bala
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  after urgent hearing. So here is his loyal he's his
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  legal representative, So Gold Coast counselor accused of
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  murdering his stepfathers to be released immediately.
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  Justice Crowley ordered 250,000 surety, saying he's satisfied.
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  Obviously the 30 year old continued detention was not
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  justified. Arguing why the 30 year old
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  should be released on bail pending any committal hearing,
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  barrister Craig Everhart Casey told the court the accused lived
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  at home in what was a dysfunctional, toxic
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  relationship characterized as malignant, narcissistic abuse.
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  Isn't it funny? I bet you none of this, You
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  know, when he was going up for the election, none of this would
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  have come. What he would have been putting
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  forward this perfect family situation in all their
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  advertising and all their promotional, promotional
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  activity that was going out there, it would have been, hey,
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  look at us. I come from a a great family
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  supportive, family supportive mother, supportive stepfather.
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  But when he's charged with murder, I know it was
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  dysfunctional, toxic relationship, malignant,
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  narcissistic. It gets even better.
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  But so, Eberhardt said, his client intends to plead not
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  guilty. OK, he said that in the
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  councillors police interview, which ran for nearly three
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  hours. He sobbed as he spoke of how his
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  stepfather, 58 year old Robert Lumsden, controlled,
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  manipulated, dominated, humiliated, abused and
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  threatened him for years. Mind you, this 30 year old man
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  still lives at home, still lives with his Anyway, he told police
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  he recently sought advice from a domestic violence hotline
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  because of his stepfather's increasingly erratic and
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  threatening behavior. That's because you're 30 and
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  you're still living with him. You should have moved out, you
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  clown, he told police. This is the councillor, This is
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  Ryan. He told police that his
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  stepfather had repeatedly threatened to kill him if he did
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  not do what he was told, that he controlled his finances and
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  relationships. It's a sad sign of our society
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  where you have a 30 year old, it still feels like he's under the
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  thumb of his stepfather, Mr. Bolden Lumsden also told police
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  on the day of the argument. He had been.
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  He had been belittled for two hours and feared for his life.
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  He told police. Police.
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  He was concerned his stepfather had access to a kitchen knife,
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  which is, I mean, who would have thought that you're living in a
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  house which has a kitchen. So.
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  Oh, he was concerned he had access to a kitchen knife anyway
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  during the altercation and that he wanted to restrain him.
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  He said he wanted him to pass out so he could get away from
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  him. So instead of just, you know,
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  moving out the door, walking out the door.
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  No, no, I'm just going to restrain him first and hope that
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  he passes out first because, you know, I'm 28 years younger than
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  him. But what else can I do?
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  The court heard that two days before.
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  This is where it gets interesting.
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  This is why I'm saying this is more of a what the flip story.
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  The court heard that two days before the fatal argument, the
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  counselor, as in Ryan, googled previous cases where people
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  accused of murder put forward arguments of self-defense and
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  received a reduced sentence. So two days before he decided to
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  defend himself from his stepfather, he googled what
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  happens to people that kill people and and put forward an
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  argument of self-defense. So already you're sitting there
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  going, well might be a little bit of premeditation going on
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  here, but the lawyer now this is if you ever get into serious
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  trouble, I think you need to look up this lawyer because he's
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  already onto it. So Mr. Eberhart said that they
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  included questions like if you kill someone in self-defense
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  will you go to jail? This is 2 days before he killed
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  him. Two days before he he asked, he
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  went through Google and said if you kill someone in self-defense
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  will you get out of jail. And and yet this fall was trying
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  to say hey, no it's not premeditated, he told the court.
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  He told the court all the searches were done within a 5
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  minute period and argued the searches were consistent with
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  his inquiries, inquiries to a domestic violence service
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  because he feared for his safety.
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  The lawyer goes on to say this is a quite police often put more
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  weight on these things than they deserve.
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  Those silly police, they often look into these.
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  You know how silly of police to look at, Look at someone, look
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  at someone's search history and going, oh, a couple of days
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  before they killed the person they were looking up whether
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  they could get away with killing that person if they said, hey,
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  it was all self-defense. He goes on to say these searches
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  cannot prove any intention at all.
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  Well like I said, this is it's not really a slippery slope
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  thing. This is just a it's for my own
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  inquisitive mind being, you know ex police and all that.
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  What the flip story is going on. I mean what the heck.
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  You've got this counselor accused of murder.
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  He's 30 years old. He still lives with his family.
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  He's obviously mum and stepfather.
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  Stepfather is supposedly very abusive.
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  Apparently allegedly a very abusive 30 years old.
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  He's got he works as a counselor earning.
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  I'll look up how much he actually earned.
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  So here we go. A a regular counselor will
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  receive $141,000 and 70, oh sorry, 141,791 dollars. 141
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  grand. That's.
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  Yeah, it's not a bad pay. 30 years old, living with his
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  mother and stepfather and sister, maybe mother and
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  stepfather still living at home. He's on a wage of 140 / 100
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  grand. He's still living at home.
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  He's looking up self-defense. He's looking up basically can I
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  get away with murdering people if I claim self-defense?
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  Like I said, it's not really a slippy slope story.
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  It's just a what the flip is going on in this world.
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  It piques my interest. Anyway, it'll be interesting to
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  see what goes on here. Let me know what you reckon I
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  in. Do you really think?
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  Have a look at the story. Do you really think this is a
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  defense? You can look up someone two days
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  earlier. You can look up a story on
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  whether you can get away with murdering someone if you claim
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  self-defense and then the lawyer comes out and says hey, please
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  often put more weight on these things than they deserve.
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  I tell you what, if I ever get into serious trouble, this is
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  the lawyer who I want on my side anyway.
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  Let me know what you reckon. It's just my opinion.
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  Thanks for listening to this little pretty.