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Bear & Balanced: Bears Beaten Down by the Packers · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Bear Bells.
• 0:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Minus or not through.
• 0:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, let's see.
• 0:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Other side of the screen's Lester A will point Jr. who's dropping F-bongs before we started here.
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if that came through, apologies, slash, we'll rate it or whatever, but that's probably what this show deserved to start with.
• 0:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ugly, UGLY, you ain't gotten a well by you ugly.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, you ugly 31 to 7 disgusting, disgusting laws to that team of North, how did you take this one, Lester?
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just brutal game, you know, start to finish, you know, like even when it was, you know, half time to like, man, you know, catching up a little bit of them, you shouldn't have taken.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just a, just then look like the bears that we're used to seeing.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously part of that is some of the injuries, some of the players are missing and look the packers were inspired and it's funny because you heard all of this chatter even a packer fans we don't care about the bears like what are you guys talking about then of course.
• 1:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: now be care about the bears, but it's like just a weird narrative that the way the fans try to try to downplay it even even the players and you know this game means a lot to everyone it's it's a freaking rivalry we hate everyone that is against the bear and the packer and it's like thing it's what's about yeah I look we've talked about this a little bit offline it's one of
• 1:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: When Caleb Williams got hurt, the first thing they went through your first thing went through my mind was, well, this season's over.
• 1:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what everyone would, yeah.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you learn like, okay, it might not be a serious and then we get a little more information, a little more information sounds like Caleb will likely be back for this next game against Atlanta.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, if that's the case, and he's back, and he's healthy, and he's able to play a full game, you look at this, and you say, okay, the bears miscalibre for three games, and they were able to go two and one during those games.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You would take that every single time.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your brain would take that every single time.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think that if I offered that, and I said,
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You'll go two and one and one of those losses against the Packers, a lot of bear's fans would say no.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want that.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: They would rather go, I mean, one and two with the win against the Packers against two and one with the loss against the Packers.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think, both actually probably a majority of fans would take the one and two.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they're that crazy, right?
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they would even take up more a losses.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: to be able to take the win against that team up more.
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I get that your heart hurts a lot more after a loss of the packers.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it's like well.
• 2:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Given the big picture, this is still a pretty good result for leaning on your backup quarterbacks.
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get a lot into backup quarterbacks.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: For sure, no doubt about that.
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have a second about that.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was definitely interesting.
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: We normally start the show in the trenches, but I wanted to start the show our first category to talk about Mike Dicka, who passed last week, and I just wanted to ask you because you are slightly older than me.
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you would have spent some of your formative years with Duck Coach as the coach of your favorite football team.
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you had a little bit more of a first-hand experience
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know anybody that's a bear's fan has dica as part of their bear's experience, but particularly those that are, you know, able to watch that run in the 80s have probably an even greater fondness of him.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to ask you for some thoughts on dica before we move on.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look, I wish I were to sheet and play.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little too young to see them play, but just as the coach, what he meant to the city, I mean, he crossed over, like he was more than just football coach.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was, he was the bearer.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was everything about this team, and it was crazy, because there were so many personalities, you know, the fridge, sweetness, you know, McMahon, so many personalities on the team, but
• 4:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day, it's about the coach, you know what I mean?
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, it's Dekka, it was Dekka's team.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He crossed over to pop culture.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was so well known, he meant so much of the franchise, you know, his story coming back, you know, asking, you know, pop up or hell, you know, he wanted to be the coach of the team.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And just the way it all kind of came around.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And just when he stepped into that role, man, I was like, it changed, like the whole vibe of the franchise is kind of changed.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was, uh, yeah, I've been a lot of, I mean, look, the deaths of, you know, celebrities or sports figures, it doesn't really affect me.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: But this got me a little right, because it was like what you said.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was right around the time I was really becoming a fan and falling love with getting a bell in the bears and it was like, man, this is, uh, that's a rough one for bear's fans.
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was, uh, bad timing, you know, with the Packers Game Ops, he looming, and then of course, what happened, it would have been much better having, uh, having the positive result there,
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they could not have him again later in the year and we'll see what happens here.
• 5:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it's interesting as someone who does a lot of history stuff, you know, you certainly come across history lessons and you kind of learn about these people and you learn about who they are in their personalities and and you know as a as a bears fan there's it's basically like first 1000 year tight end slash he's in the Hall of Fame for being a tight end.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's all about him coaching.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: right like so that's kind of you know but so he kind of glossed over like well he was part of the 63 championship team you know he you block for gale sairs right like to be there's a lot of like really good player stuff but I think it gets a little glossed over short handed into first 1000 year in season which was his rookie year which kind of insane you know short much shorter schedule back then.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the the 63 championship maybe people know about that a lot of I think a lot of people at this point don't think about the championship, you know, but he went out and he got traded affiliate, you know, he argued with a pop of bare Alice made a mad so he shipped him out traded him to fill a fill a got rid of him.
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He went to Dallas, you know, at that point in his career he's he's
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's not the star that he was in Chicago.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Chicago really featured him.
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was he put up really nice numbers throughout his time.
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Made a lot of pro bowls and all pro teams and stuff like that.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: When he's in Chicago, but after he left, he really didn't came more of a role player, but, you know, he he won a Super Bowl with Dallas, caught a touchdown in the Super Bowl that they won.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, it really six successful as a player could have gone on.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: done just about anything, I'm sure, and you know, been successful, but got into coaching and worked his way up, you know, one of those stories.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then like you said, ask, you know, ask the asked, tell us, like, yeah, I'd love to come back.
• 7:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tell us, took the chance, you know,
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: really liked to employ his former players as coaches like there's a very long history of how it's bringing on his former players as assistant coaches, you know, he'd hire, they didn't promote those guys up to the head position.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think there's a little bit of that where he's like, yeah, he knows what it is to be a Chicago bear.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of the, you know, interesting moments
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: as that's not who Jim thinks wanted as the head coach and he was the general manager of the time that put together a lot of the great pieces that that led to those dominant 80s teams.
• 7:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that separated those two from you know it's separated thanks from the team eventually.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, Dicca comes in and he really flips around a franchise that it lost its way.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: and obviously left an incredible mark in terms of his wit and his one-liners and you know, became such a his press conferences were appointment television and they you know it led into commercials and you know it's it's own personality on its own and he had it run on you know Sunday morning shows on the you know the game day type shows and you know then that
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: kept going.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a kicking and screaming, you know, like you did some acting and stuff and like that's pretty fun, right?
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great legacy, but just no one more Chicago than this Pennsylvania guy.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, yeah, I got a lot of text messages from people, you know, that I maybe know that not necessarily bear's fans.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just texting me about it after it happened.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Over the weekend, you know, I got people coming up and saying something about Dica.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I think it definitely touched a lot of people.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so just wanted to cover it up top that a very important person in my take on bear's history.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably the second most important person in Chicago bear's history behind George Alice.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't really know that there's a good argument to make otherwise.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Patence, the best player, that's great.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably the third most important person or fourth most important person.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's Sid Lockman.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is it was incredibly important, red grains, or incredibly important for the league?
• 9:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the book is in Sayers' connection.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to put those two together because they came in together.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But as a person for what he did as a player and then what he did as a coach and then just what he did for the city, I think he's probably the second most important person
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that when we think of the bears, he's one of the first names to come to mind.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, uh, like I said, sad day for the city said day for the NFL and, uh, you know, sad day with the game as a day.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's transition into trench tribute where we like to start our show.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a very obvious place to go here, which we probably both have probably, and so why don't we just talk about Austin Booker.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, there it is.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, five tackles, three tackles for loss, a couple of sacks or swamble just the.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, this is what the bear's fans need.
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the bear's fans have been asking for a defensive line in a past Russia all off season.
• 10:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the bear's kind of like, no, no, you know, we're not making any moves, you know, we think we were good in house.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And look, they're not.
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we all see that.
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen that now through a few games.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: They still need help upfront, but it's nice that bookers are merging, you know.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And look, his pressure numbers have been the best.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He'd flash every now and again.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's the kind of working through some techniques stuff, but the hustle is there, you know, he's always going, you know, going full board and the fact that it got through yeah, there are obvious passing situations, you know, so be it, but hey, you got to get home, and you got home, you got home for two sacks.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Booker was a book that's a nice film this week.
• 11:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just the sax.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to happen in back to back plays.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of them was a forced fumble.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I obviously love recovery.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he basically shut down that drive.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the packers were definitely wanting to get some points before half there.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he was able to just kind of shut that down.
• 11:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Back to back, sax.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how often that's happened.
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, you know, I can't really,
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's happened and I don't remember it, but it seems pretty rare that you wouldn't get a situation like that.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was pretty cool in and of itself, but I'm also just really impressed by the tackles for loss because, you know, I think a lot of people will say like, well, he's a
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: past-brush specialist, and that's what he is, and it's like, yeah, I think to a certain extent you're right, but also if he's getting tackles for loss and he's involved in that part of the game, that he's becoming a more complete defense event, and it's not just the past-brush, which obviously you make a lot of money as a situational past-brusher, but if you're a complete
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and they're probably me another guy on the interior.
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, great if they could make one move, if not two.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they've, you know, weathered this storm with with Caleb Williams enough, you know, the three and two got a couple of important games here and a very short stretch because they're going to follow the Sunday's Game of the Thursday game.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if they are able to, you know, continue to do this and someone like the Chargers,
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: we have no reason to keep Colomac are willing to ship him back to Chicago.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then I think that's a move that the bear just have to make, right?
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's only going to make book or better, right?
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because you're going to, he's going to be a learn from from Colomac, of course, but then also just keeps you fresher and, you know, keeps the,
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, different defensive ends throw in different moves at the tackles is going to help you as well.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think, honestly, Booker's the only guy to talk about.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You could talk about some of the off of the one plague fine for the most part.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the offense didn't play well because well, again, we'll get to that.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's hard to give you tribute to anybody on the offense with with a seven point game.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Austin Booker may have been the only defensive player we're talking about.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, quite not as if he was pretty rough.
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's just move on.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into the cut up in a numbers game stat of the week we have this week.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: So my number this week is 3.6.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: 3.6 yards per play.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and that's something I, I caught online.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ian hearted to does stuff for World of World.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He, he, he had to share this.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was looking for this number.
• 14:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw him, I go good.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't have to do the research.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's already done for me, but 3.6 yards per play.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's uh, that's the Bears averaged against the Packers.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is the lowest single game mark in Ben Johnson's entire.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if I'll clear is a office of coordinator slash head coach, horrible, horrible, horrible game for Ben Johnson.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: The office of Guru is often just,
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you get nothing going, I mean, this is worse than the sloppy money game and guess if I can's worse than that, just the 3.6 yards for play, that's not going to get it done.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I kind of want to hold on to pageant conversation, but that it'll come.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's pretty brutal.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a brutal stat.
• 14:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mine, I was actually kind of struggling because normally we like to find something good and fun.
• 14:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in this game there isn't anything good for me.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So which way do you want to go?
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a lot of like sad stats.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I went back and you know that they lost the turnover battle five to nothing.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they gave up four sacks, they lost the explosive play battle.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was like, well, there you go.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's calculate the step differential and let's see where they're at, right?
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they were a negative 15.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So those are the, those are the, don't remember, I go, sack differential.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Turn over differential, turn over, turn over as a work double for me and then expose to play differential.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: A negative 15 is by far the worst beating in Ben Johnson's tenure here last year.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: They lost the lines and we too and that big beat down was like 50
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: the biggest step differential last year was negative 15 or positive 15 if you're on the other side of it.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this was a, there's nothing good to talk about when you get beat down that bad, right?
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there are circumstances that led to this and again, we'll get some of those, but this is what happens when you lose turnover battle 5 and nothing.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I put it in a pretty big hole to begin with, and then you're giving up explosive plays, you're giving up sacks, you know, and something.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think your sack watch is going to pin it on the quarterback a couple times this week.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be interesting.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like one of the worst won't losses I have seen in a really long time and then the numbers just bear it out.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, it's more because of his
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: fact that it was the packers and it was so lopsided and like I said it was it was 14 seven at the half.
• 17:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it just didn't feel like you had a chance, you know.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got a call at half time by my buddy.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh my god, I'm listening to the radio and Ben Johnson just dropped a bunch of F bombs on the way to the locker room talking to the ESPN 1,000.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, you know.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: probably should do that, but, you know, it's just one of the good to find there, but he was pretty, like I said, it was 147 and he's dropping F-bugs on the way out, you know, of the field.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he knew that they had no business with being that close at that point.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Fans knew that that was just a brutal one-sided, you know, game up to that point.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I just feared that they would keep a close in the second half, and obviously I did
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, and it is interesting to go back and rewatch these games because when it was 14 to seven and a half, I was like, oh yeah.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was only 14 to seven at the half.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They did have a chance coming out here.
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: If that was just, and again, the Packers missed a couple of field goals.
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bear's missed one, but you know, so it could have been worse in that regard too, but it's, it is interesting that if you were just looking at the score, maybe you weren't totally paying attention to the game flow, you'd be like, oh, the bears are in this thing, whatever, they weren't.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it felt like it was over after that first pick.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that's being a doomsday person.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think sometimes you just have a feeling about a football game.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's just sort of, it never got better after that.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just like into that feeling never went away and got worse as that as time went on.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's that margin for air when you have a backup quarterback and you're missing one when you're top tail backs and there's some already up some issues on the defense of
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: The margin of air is slim and you can't afford to be making stupid mistakes and the bears did that.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll just keep on cruising through.
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a rough game.
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to cruise through here.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: To eat social media portion, I'm going to use mine first here from our good buddy Matt Bowen, former Hawkeye, Matt Bowen 41, Jordan love on throws of 20 plus
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: 258 yards, two touchdowns, and he goes on to say targeting one-on-one matchups and zone coverage rules.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that, first of all, love was phenomenal in this game.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And part of what made him look so good to me was that he was pushing the ball down the field and taking chances that he normally doesn't, at least the games that I watch.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: He seems to be a very efficient passer.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that EPA per play stat is one that he has been ranked very highly on for a long time.
• 19:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You see Packers fans talking about that all the time like that's.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the most important stat in the world because he's breaks high in it and for me when I watch him I think like yeah Because it really like take chances he doesn't really push the ball down the field a lot like you know and a lot of times that ball just kind of hangs up there It feels like it's you know kind of a dangerous throw so I don't know like I'm not that impressed with Jordan love
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then here he is.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, is this referendum on Jalen Johnson, maybe?
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, is this taking advantage of the rookie, you know, free safety who's maybe not taking ideal angles.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, trying to knock the ball out with the top of his helmet.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he was doing on that long pass.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you surprised by how far that ball went, right?
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the speed
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: of the receivers, golden and Watson, maybe just got on the the bear secondary a little bit too quick.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you've got to credit the plan.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You'd certainly have to credit the execution.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they were they were hungry for it.
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that that one sequence where they threw three passes in a row down the field.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: The first one being incomplete.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: The second one being
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: They are completed but called back for on a penalty and then the third one being attached down like they were just they're just hungry for it and a third and 22 like you can't give a you can't give that up like the bears just have to do better but I mean this was.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were, the, the Packers put up deep passing numbers on the Bears yesterday that the advanced statistics community like hadn't seen in 10 years that since they started recording these things that air yards and one of those touchdown passes was like the third highest completed pass air yards in in that time frame so like 10 years and there's just like all of these like.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know what's bad when they start saying like well since the year whatever this is number three year what it means that's how bad this was so if you really if you watch this thing and he's not man this is this is bad this feels bad it was it was it was it was worse than you thought it was
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you mentioned the air yards, you know, but like I said that it was one of the worst, you know, from just in the next chance that's area, which is I think 10 years, ESPN has been tracking the air yards, they have a thing where, you know, loves five passes of 30 plus.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's tied for the most ever in a single game.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: in 20 years since they've been tracking this that.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So this is thing that just, you know, that doesn't happen very often, obviously.
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the packers, I listen to some of the pressure afterwards, and then they said that this is something they saw at film, where they can attack the bear's defensive backs.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: They had, they thought they would have some shots to go down, down fields.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, look, thinking you have a chance to go down a field is a lot different than three in a row.
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just chuck it down.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it looked, it wasn't like they were just like
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: go up and get it balls.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: They had guys open, you know, they had guys streaking out in the field and yeah, the speeds one thing, but, you know, and look, and I'm sure we got some cold balls that hand out about the secondary, so we'll save some of that for them, but yeah, it was just brutal.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, guys open broken coverages, just a torn level just keep dice them up and he did it with bombs.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: big thumbs down for that and and it goes against what I think of love so that kind of makes me feel like I was wrong and I don't like that either and makes me upset.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, what do you got so so my my tweet is actually a read a boat tweet so MB he was at M balls Lee he he retweeted someone by the name of coach day and Casey so so and balls he said is current move without killer right.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the tweet he was tweeted here was a the story of John Groen once asked in an episode called Office of Courts Tom Moore, why the back of Porterbacks aren't getting any reps in practice during the Peyton Manning years.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Tom Moore, O.C.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: said, well, the 18 goes down where we're at, and we don't practice at, you know, that's exactly what it looked like with the bears.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, when 18's down, like you said, it's not we all thought the season was over, you know.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, case key, and yeah, Tyson, Bage and whatever, you know, let's, that's hope they can keep things afloat for a little while.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then when we heard, oh, it's not going to be as bad as, as we hope, like you said, and if most of the things you can go 500 with your backups, that's a good day, like that's that's that's what most teams hope for the best case scenario.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's been two and one.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not bad.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, most of most people take that for sure, but yeah, I mean, if if anything goes down or asked.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you saw, let's just roll it into the roll it in.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, but where I'm just calling a budget bench to be because that, that's what happened.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think we should lose side of that because at, at some point, Ben Johnson pulled Tyson Bayesian for this performance.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that before I get into the numbers and there's plenty and we'll get into it.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I heard a lot of Kurt like Ben's mistake was not pulling him sooner.
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like it's hard to bench a player.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to bench a quarterback.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so for him to like come out of the half and give him a little time to try to see if he could get it together, I understand.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if your biggest criticism of Ben Johnson is that his mistake was trusting his backup quarterback to
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like I guess like if your biggest criticism as he should have played case kingdom the whole time.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like maybe you're right.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe I was wrong that he was he should have like we thought that he should have went back to it's a budget last week and maybe he should have kept playing kingdom, but it sure felt like you're kind of pressing with an older guy and you know who's to say what that universal looks like if
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Probably better because it's not great and I said last week, I thought when I went back and rewatched the tape that pageant played a little better than what I expected because I expected to see a lot of really bad stuff and I think a lot of the stuff that people were upset with where the turn downs last week were there was things open and he checked it down instead and I'm like, well, but I might be in a Bayesian as that he doesn't have the arm to like,
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: make a lot of these throws consistently.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if he's taken the check down and they're moving the offense, like, I'm fine with that, right?
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, case keen to play the game where he was not, that offense was not particularly explosive.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this doesn't bother me that much.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: This game.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The tape was worse than I expected.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I expected it to be bad, and it was worse, and which made me think, well, that is clearly why he was benched, because Ben Johnson sees it in real time and knows how bad it is.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have to kind of go back and look at it, and we're not on the field side.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: We only get the TV view and all that kind of stuff, and we certainly don't know nearly as much as Ben Johnson does, but for him to be able to make
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I found it funny that people were criticizing him to not make it sooner, but to make it.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like making that decision is a pretty impactful decision to make any way.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he had to have good reason.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when you go back and watch it, it's very clear why why this happened.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So do you want to react to that before I read numbers?
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not like Swift got bench last week for fumbling.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a different animal bench in your your running back or bench in a receiver, something or then bench in their quarterback.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: The quarterback, you know, whether you think it is or not, they're treated differently.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's just how it is.
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: The quarterbacks and it get a little little grace.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And look, part of that is the halftime to go to the adjustments.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the first interception happened and and I'm sure they had a nice talk about it.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, hey, this is what happened here.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they had the film pulled up immediately and at halftime
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was okay with with him coming back out there.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, here's some pointers.
• 28:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Here's some stuff I want to do in the second half.
• 28:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get out there and get after it.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's 14 to 7.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're pissed as it is, but look, we're still on this game.
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go out there and see what happens.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't happen.
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And things got worse.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he pulled the trigger and he went to kingdom and kingdom wasn't much better.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: But at that point, the game was out of hand.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, the package is for you going after it.
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that was all they had to do was just attack the quarterback.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So at that point, you know, there's nothing really you can do.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching the game, like, please just hand it off and get the hell out of here.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what are we doing here when the game was out of hand?
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's my criticism of bed in this game is look, it wasn't the best game plan.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, again, a lot of it is the quarterback.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: The film was way worse than I thought.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I try to stay up social media on Mondays because I don't want to be jaded by what the people that see all 22 before I have a chance to watch it.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I watched the all 22.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was bad.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was, there were some plays.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, you never know what the reads are.
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: The progressions.
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going by what I'm looking at.
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I see Beijing looking towards Luther Burr.
• 29:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: This feeder set, and shoulder feeder set, and it's like, look in this direction.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hold the trigger, bro.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hold the trigger, you know.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so many times you're watching them.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And look, again, I don't know what's in his mind.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like he's aiming the ball.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: For one, he has a, he doesn't have a strong arm as it is, but then there's some plays where you're like, he's like trying to aim it, you know, like, just rip it man.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know you don't have a lot, but just rip it with what you got, maybe you have a better outcome because that was not it.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: As like the Carson Wentz against when we're playing when the bears were playing the Vikings that really wet ball what didn't allow the quarterbacks to really get good throws off and when smoke like he was kind of thrown a dart a lot, you know, like we're kind of doing this as opposed to really getting into your throwing motion because he didn't trust it with with just how wet the ball was it's a little bit.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like what he throws like what beige throws like sometimes is it like he say it looks like he's aiming and he's not just trying to get it you know, rip it and like he said he also doesn't have that strength the term strikes just not there.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: From a throw on the ball perspective.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, always read the stats.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So pageant was 12 to 21 for 87 yards, no touchdowns, two interceptions.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: First pick, one of the worst picks I've seen at the whole long time, just through a ride out.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you got to throw that underneath.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your guys running wide open.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Coast and lovin' was right there, yeah.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Literally doesn't see that guy, this should be a coverage on your tie-in.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was like dropped back and you just threw it right at him.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just a brutal terrible pick.
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you got in his mind, it probably unraveled him.
• 31:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't want to play Amrster Psychologist, but that seemed like that.
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Second pick might have been worse.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's like, that's where I was at.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're like, the first pick was so bad and the second pick might have been worse, took two sacks for 13 yards the first one, just slip down.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just slip down right.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a sack accredited with three carries for 17 yards just seemed like.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: very slow processor in this one and just just not not getting it out.
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, that's not the narrative.
• 31:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not narrative, but that's what I saw about the Eddie Bayjant.
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the sound I saw on this one and so pretty rough and then I'll just go through Kingdom, Kingdom comes in.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's 11 for 19 for 108.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: No touchdowns, one underception.
• 31:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: The interceptions on a fourth down play is kind of, you know, he's got to get the ball out.
• 31:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's fourth and eight or whatever it was down here in the goal line.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Intercepted, you know, whatever, that falls in complete as the same difference.
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fourth down, trying to force a ball is what it is.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: He also took two sacks, lost 17 yards, had one fumble lost, which, that's pretty brutal.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they both led two sacks.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the terrible sack of you, if you learned that one, he got whipped on hard.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's two turnovers for each of them.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I saw a new thing to me.
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: This like, score a gummy thing is like everywhere now.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and the bears even have a barragame where they're doing just bear scores.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is this a new bear score?
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I assume 31 to 7 is not a new score.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty common.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing weird about that score.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I saw QB a gummy.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: which was the stat line of a quarterback, and if it's ever been managed before.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It looked like it was just yards, touchdowns, interceptions, and the Beijing line and the kingdom line, both terrible lines in their own right.
• 32:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So again,
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: 87 yards, no touchdowns, two interceptions, and 108 yards, no touchdowns, one interception, and not a Q-B-Gami for a full game or for a quarterback stat or whatever, neither one.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: The last quarterback to achieve the Beijing line, JJ McCarthy, the last quarterback to achieve the kingdom line,
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: JJ McCarthy.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I didn't see that.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a double McCarthy game.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to feel even worse about the game, it was a it was a double nine double double JJ McCarthy game.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I I got I found that to be just be hilarious.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was one of the funniest things I've seen in the long time.
• 33:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know what else to say was beyond a double McCarthy game pretty much sums this up double McCarthy that's gonna be a thing now.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You never want to go full McCarthy, but you're playing.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you never want to go full McCarthy.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anything more you want to say about patient.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, you don't like like we hit it all me just like so many times you're watching the game and you're like.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, he doesn't have the arms sometimes, but when it's there you got it, you got to go and he was hesitant, right?
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then like when you don't have the arm in your late, that's bad news, like you can't be late when you're no
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Major can't be late.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has to be on time all the time and look at it.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it is it unfair to judge him like that.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look, that's that's that's who he is.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's the quarterback starting quarterback.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: He just wasn't playing on time.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't playing very smart football and put in the ball harms way and I just not a that's not good and look who knows where it's going to go from here because today Ben Johnson.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: would not commit to his QB number one of case in case of Kales out again.
• 34:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said, I have three quarterbacks second one games.
• 35:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said, we'll work through who's in the B, the Starter of Caleb can't go this week.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So road game in Atlanta in the dome is loud there.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got a feeling if Caleb can't go.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be case
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're absolutely correct.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's just no way you can go back to Beijing after that.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe rehabs is standing in the pecking order down the line, but I think right now this game was so important and that performance was so bad that you can't put him back out there right now.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: like all of the goodwill that he has built up over the two years with Ben Johnson has gone.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Keenam still has some of that.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that's where that would be.
• 35:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're starting to mind me a little bit of a, I saw this clip with this, I think it was small interviewing like this little league world series kid and the little league world series kid
• 36:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if those of you that don't follow baseball, Jacob Miserowski is like a flame thrower he can he through like a hundred and five mile an hour pitch And his last starter something like me just like unbelievable guys awesome and the kid Sponsors asked him what Miserowski what advice keep Miserowski gave him he goes well Miserowski just said throw middle middle and pray
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Meaning like just throw it down the middle as hard as he can and and you'll be fine.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, yeah, that's you can do that if you're Jacob, Mr. Rowsky because if throwing 105 miles an hour.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's different.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why we talk about the Armstrong so much because Caleb Williams has as good of an arm as anybody in the league and can make all of the throws at like he can throw deep.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He can throw the outrout, he can throw over the middle, he can throw a bullet, you know, he does have the ability to put touch on it, probably can improve a little bit, right, there's some of the grates that have those great arms don't always like to throw the changeups, right, they're, they're, they're used to fire in the ball in there, but he can make every throw in the field, and that's what that means.
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas they should can't throw a middle middle and get away with it.
• 37:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to get knocked out of the park.
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: He has to he has to locate and if he's lost that ability,
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: where he doesn't have confidence to let it go, then you're gonna get performances like he did yesterday.
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, his mind has to be able to overcome the limitations of his arm.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if he can't do that, he's not gonna be a successful quarterback in this week.
• 37:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very, you can't dismiss a player's career off of one game, but that is a very disappointing development because last week wasn't great tape.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it wasn't great tape overall.
• 37:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was much worse.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was very, very bad.
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and the packers are clearly a better team than the jet.
• 37:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, take that for what it is.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Quick break.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Other side of it.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: We will do three bears.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stick with us.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, lesser three bears, this might be one of the harder hot bowls of porers that we can give out.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we can give it to Austin Booker.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can if you want, but where do you want to go with it?
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I gave him some thought, right?
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bookers could look, what's the spirit of the hot bull is who perform better than we anticipate, right?
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's who's better than that.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Booker, obviously.
• 38:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dev and Bush had a decent game, right?
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he's a linebacker with eight tackles.
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want that.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I should be getting that anyway.
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So who perform better than anticipated?
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go to Sunday morning.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Williams, out there on Lambo Field,
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: go in through his workouts, right?
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, pretty damn good.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think no one expected to see that.
• 38:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen their practice.
• 38:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a limited back sub Friday.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was some some video of it, but there weren't showing much just him working out.
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we don't know what's going on.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's see, he's limited, but not here he is at Lambo.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: The beat reporters, the networks.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: They had to camera out on the whole time.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of video.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: looks pretty good.
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did Superman throw, he was running around, going through all the motions.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So who performed better than anticipated?
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Williams, working out Sunday morning.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, to be young and to be able to have your body heal in a fast fashion, you know, my, my little tiny hamstring tear, look, a couple weeks for me to even feel confident and decent, just go for a jog and hop on the, the Peloton.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was, uh,
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just kept thinking about that when I'm thinking about, you know, these guys rehabbing and just how much faster they rehab.
• 39:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just remember back in the day when you used to be able to get up after a game and like be all bruised and everything and you feel fine.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And today, I kind of have to take off work for a couple of days.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you know, it is amazing.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, very good use of the cold bowl or the hot bowl, I should say.
• 40:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: For me, I am giving it to Xavier and Thomas.
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he has got him.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got him later.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: six returns 32 yard average with a 61 long finally broke one looked much more like a professional return man going north and south, not messing around, you know, finding a gap and trying to take advantage of it.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: not all of them work, right?
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what doesn't work?
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Going lateral.
• 40:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unless you're Devon Hester, don't do it.
• 40:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't try it.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Devon Hester really didn't on kicks for the most part.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he knew that he had to go.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got to break through that line.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: We criticized him last week because his returns were pretty awful, and I think that that was clearly a coaching point.
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They want to get the ball on his hands.
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's fast, and they want him to have opportunities.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He rewarded them with a big return this week, so a little, a little bit of silver lining in this game, Xavier and Thomas may be figuring out the return game.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know that's like setting a hop ball this week is hard.
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like I thought about it.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: My I did put him just right this week.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, one 11 11 yard run 11 11 yard catch said the pretty decent returns 61 year return.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I put him down there.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll burn that mouth and talk about Thomas.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I will say this.
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm watching the game, right.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then I go back and rewatch it.
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: not a lot of blocking for Xavier and Thomas.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, if it's not there, something you've got to hit it and see what happens.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm watching it and not a lot of room for their move for him to run out there.
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And during the game, there was a few people tweeting out because I try and I try and avoid social media.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: My Fox feed was way behind two minutes behind.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I try to avoid, but like, in commercial breaks, I'll kind of scroll back, because let's see what the fans are talking about.
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if people say, and let's end the Xavier on time, is kick-off experience.
• 42:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not working out.
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, what are you going to do?
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's nowhere to go, you know?
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just weird to people people just want to complain.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah, well, yeah boils down too well But I mean if he was doing what he was doing last week Yeah, it's weak.
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would have said yes, but he was Sisyph and go and go and for it.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not blocked.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not blocked, but at least he's not Dancing around and making a works.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let people don't know what they're looking at
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's my conclusion.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: People probably haven't been on teams before and had to like think about, you know, what that is.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cold bowl playing places to go.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to do?
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, can I give it to the entire secondary?
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's a good idea.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were getting, you know, toasted.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'll tell you who gets the biggest cold bowl is Jalen Johnson.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is he done, I mean, look, he had that the groin, the duck, he had several injuries last year like he came back from one, he had a surgery, he had a core muscle surgery, you know, he was not the same guy last year coming back, he was look bad last year, but he was tough and trying to gut it out.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought he looked pretty good in camp when I was there, I've talked to people the same said the same thing you look pretty good in camp.
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, man, he just does not look like the same jail in Johnson as years past.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they mentioned in the broadcast that maybe he was tired because he had to run really far a couple times in a row.
• 43:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, so are those packer receivers.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're running really far a couple times in a row.
• 43:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's gonna not hang with them.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's not press used in a man-to-man situation.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you wanna just play a little more zone.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because like he was drafted for fangeos, more zone-based gain.
• 43:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He went to Eber Fluces, more zone-based gain.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now here he is playing in this scheme that Dennis Allen is is a little more man heavy.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe this is probably your last year with with Jalen Johnson.
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the money works out to where.
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's not a lot of cap it after this.
• 44:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he just may not be the best fit for the scheme.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, and if this is what Dennis Allen wants to run for sure, I'm curious how much is impacted by what he has up front in his, I mean, there has to be Dennis Allen's a smart football coach and I know he's got his types and his, you know, like this is a Dennis Allen type defensive in and people sometimes use that as a criticism and I'm like.
• 44:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the coach and so on and so he thinks to play like that's probably what he's going to record.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if his mentality of, well, this is how I need to play because of what I have up front, because I need to bring it, I need to blitz more, I need to bring extra, which means usually by default you're going to play a little bit more man on the outside.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those days might be beyond it because he does not look like he can keep pace with some of these faster winters he was
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Both of the number one of the number 10 of the golden and and Watson are both incredibly fast, you know, slick runners for two, four, three speed.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're not alone, right.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to face those guys throughout throughout time.
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 45:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what they what he looks like next week match up against Drake London, who's like, you know, Mike Evans clone basically.
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's see like does does the fair little better against like I like that, who's, you know, really doing and he's off to a very nice start this year.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, if it's you need a second corner to either play matchups or like you know to you got to figure that out and they definitely don't have that right now with without Kyla Gordon on the field so.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caler Gordon gets back and he can take that nickel and kind of bounce around and and be that kind of joker type of type of defensive back and move belief Muhammad to the outside.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that helps the whole thing and you can play a little bit different coverage and and put Johnson and a better position to succeed but right now counting on him to play a lot of man.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's clearly not working.
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to have it.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're safety has to cheat somewhere and if they have to like help out Tyrex Stevenson because he's burnt toast every week and then you got to like you're safety can't if you're only playing one deep safety you can't play both right so then you're playing two deep safety and then that opens up your different you're susceptible to different attacks right so somebody you can usually cover up a
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: a cornerstone lock down kind of guy is now a liability in the coverages that you want to run.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then yeah, he's not going to be here and I I like him a lot, so it's always rough.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you see a player that's like it's hurt and then they can't come back to their form.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I always like to give them the benefit of the doubt that they come back.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't look like it's happening for him and that's unfortunate because we're
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we're five games into the season.
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: You usually round into form when the calendar turns to October.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just not there yet.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, you're, this is who's playing as long as he's healthy.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be out there.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But teams are going to take advantage of it.
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So now it's on Dennis Allen to figure out, can I change scheme?
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can I put him and coverage that's going to work for him?
• 47:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: What am I giving up in, if I do that?
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Am I not going to be able to bring extra guys and pressure the quarterback?
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough, you know, you give the rookies, you know, a little bit of grace when they have bad games because they're rookies and you've seen the flashes and they'll make up for it.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, think this was not the innermost best game.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: The lake Mohammed, you know, took a few lumps as well.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you live with that.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your veteran is the guy that's supposed to study the presence and it just hasn't happened and obviously the replacements for Kobe Bryant have not proved particularly good either a replacement level safeties, right?
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's in a tough situation right now, but the bears played really good defense for three weeks straight and so it is it's one of those things where you don't want to get too much whip lash
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But one common theme throughout is that both Tyrex Stevenson and Jail and Johnson have looked pretty rough throughout.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when both of your starting outside corners are struggling, that's, I mean, that's rough, right?
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you maybe you can live with it in aggregate because you're you're you're getting enough pressure and and whatever, but it does feel like then it sounds a bit of a balancing act right now.
• 48:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, being that bouncing act is, you know, coverage like what's one important coverage or or or past rush and and the bears right now.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not getting the past rush, which is obviously affecting the coverage.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe if you make a trade or something happens, and you do get a guy that comes in here, you know, Josh sweat, Cleo Mac, whoever it may be, they bring another past rush.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ren, if you can add to that, maybe that helps Dale and Johnson, right?
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cause, you know, he's he should even last year when he was.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Clearly not the guy, it was he still showed those interesting things once in a while.
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe you get back to where he's he's more effective if you have a better past rush.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just would help you know, Mohammed and then at the end of men.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cam Lewis is kind of playing.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm walking the game.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's all over the place, right?
• 49:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's playing a little nickel.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's playing safety, playing up.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's playing.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he was playing Gordy spot on the line.
• 49:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was updating like a linebacker because of that's a 1.2TD Edwards got hurt.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So now you've got your plane nickel.
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there's Kim Lewis up, you know, real tight.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Good football player, but not a guy you want to really count on, you know, but because he said that's that's Kylie Gordy spot.
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: You expect him to be the guy out there.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Kylie Gordy comes back.
• 49:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Shimartrona who knows what he can bring.
• 49:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: If he has anything, you know, to bring to the table, maybe a trade happens.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, so there could be some defensive reinforcements coming hopefully, and I think the bears where they are, look, I think they're still content.
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they still think they're good football team.
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're a good football team.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: They survived 21 with back of quarterbacks, they know who they are, I think they'll be fine, I think that they're still going to make a move before the deadline because they believe they're a playoff team and they want to make that addition to kind of boost those chances.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: got to do it.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got to do it.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this, you didn't do it in the off season.
• 50:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was a couple opportunities, a couple big swings that didn't happen.
• 50:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So now's the time when you've stayed afloat and have sees got a couple of good teams, but there's, you know, you're still in a position to make the playoffs and you got to do it.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you got it, you always have to take these swings because you never know what happens when you give them the dance.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, you're to use your just right.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mine is a little weird because it's not quite what you'd expect, but DeAndre's Swift, nine carries 43 yards, touchdown, five catches for 34 yards.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So 14 touches, you know, 77 yards.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good first half, numbers, or DeAndre's Swift.
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Over, you know, like if you had that at the half, you'd be like, wow, yeah, great.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's very productive, good, you know, he's on his own pace for a really good game.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that was his full games, you know, so not so not quite there, but the game script got on a hand.
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They, you know, I think there may be protect him just a little bit with all of the, like, they had six wide receiver carries in this one.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the wider series took six carries out of here.
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly Ben Johnson had that in the game plan to try to take some load off of Swift.
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly doesn't love.
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Rochon Johnson, you know, to to to step fully into the Calmanungai role.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Manungai absence hurt a lot more than a lot of people think or are willing to admit.
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's just as important if not more important in many ways and down to your swift because he's the hammer.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he's he just can move the sticks and they just don't have that replacement.
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Rochon's,
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: a yard and a half and a cropped plot of dust, right?
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's rough.
• 52:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's rough watching him take carries.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a pretty big negative overall when he's taking carries.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just don't have anybody else, I guess, behind him that they trust.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought,
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ahmed might be the guy.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he will be after this performance if Manangai needs to miss another game.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But some of those roster machinations stuff can be confusing sometimes, you know, moving them up, release them, bring it, you know, allow that kind of stuff.
• 52:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if he does have to miss one more game,
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: or more than one more game.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would expect there to be a little bit different approach.
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Swift just needed a half game load.
• 52:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't step in and do 30 carries.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe they were trying to avoid what happened in Mananga and not load up Swift with a huge Swift's never a guy that
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, to be honest, Swift had 30 touches.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't want that.
• 53:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, 20 touches, like, it felt weird that he didn't get up to there, particularly with monongad gone.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so given him the just right because his efficiency was where I would expect, but he didn't get the volume overall of the touches that I would want, particularly in a game where monongad is not in.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was thinking before the game, it'd be a heavy Swift game.
• 53:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it'd be used a lot of screens, a lot more stuff out of the back field.
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they kind of scheme touches for him, but like you said, maybe they just want to kind of lighten the load.
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then when the game should have got to hand, a lot of Rochon Johnson to the second half because at that point you're like, well, this is game.
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: right.
• 53:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So why risk Swift who had a knee injury a couple weeks ago, you know, right now we may be without banana guy for another week because it's using a boot.
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: They brought up, you know, they have your Scott from the practice squad.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought maybe he'd get some carries.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Last year it was Britain Brown that came up when the bears had an injury there and they didn't even let Rojo touch the ball at last.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Barely at all last year.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just,
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: he's a fine football player for what for for an RB4 right he can kind of come in in the past block and catch ball at the back field you know but like you said when he carries the ball there's a stark difference between a manunga carrying the ball and brojo that's like a complete like and it's crazy because coming out manunga is the knocking him was he's he's not a fast player right he was a four four six something right
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: his his his his get off his quick.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He hits that whole fast.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He hits that whole hard.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a violent runner.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what the bear's mist was.
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the mistman on guy.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: They missed the balance between the two of them because it's a different.
• 54:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've talked about it before.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: When you have two different styles of running backs, it gives the lionbackers and and the safety something different to think
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Swift is not always looking to go outside like he used to, but he's a little more shipping than my non-guy.
• 55:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: The non-guy is when he's in a game You better be ready as a defender because he's in a hit the first holy seas and he's in a try and make makes some contact and and run through you Right, it's a little different with Swift where he's in a try and make a guy miss you know So I think they miss them.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: They compliment each other really well So hopefully this this turf toast not gonna be lingering which is
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: You hear turf, where you're like turf toe.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a pretty severe injury.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a jam of the toe.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like it's painful, right?
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't think it's a big deal, but it hurts.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you can't run when you're foot hurts.
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So hopefully he's back sooner than later because they need that one to punch.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's a really bad injury, it's just, it's got, it needs to be rebranded, right?
• 55:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, to, to, to really project the seriousness of the injury.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds stupid, turf, toe, and you bump it out of turf.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, the turf.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that sounds hard.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's, yeah, it's pretty gruesome.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, um, so this sucked, uh, I don't think we need to belabor too much more than that, and we've almost got an hour.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the big takeaway and no one wants to hear silver linings after a beat down like this because this is a terrible loss, like I mean, just by all of these numbers, this is essentially like a 50 50 point loss here like that that's how bad this fell.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bears went to one one without Caleb Williams, there are three and two overall.
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, those two losses are in the division and that sucks, but you know what, you got four more division games and, you know, the two wins kind of bought you this one and now you're in a situation where yeah, you need to go on the road and you need to be Atlanta.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that one's that one is pretty important because they're not a good football team.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're an interesting football team.
• 57:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're fun.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're a fun watch.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like they've got a lot of fun offensive players.
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Their defense is pretty scrappy.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of interesting kind of like how the Bearsman plan the last few weeks before this week.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they're they're an interesting matchup.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you can go in there and win that football game, you got a quick turnaround with the Patriots coming to town.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Patriots look like a mess earlier in the year.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, obviously I had a great game just this last weekend, but again like in a four day stretch You're going to know a lot more about this team, you know, and if Caleb Williams is back and that offense can get clicking finally and get back on track to what this look like in week one In the bears can move to five and two and have a mini by Before this
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have an extended planning period before they go to Seattle on a Monday night football game like that that's where you want to be five and two going to Seattle, you know, if you see your didn't guys healthy like that would be ideal right so let's see what happens.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is I think this is a big stretch coming up this this this four days stretch with these two games.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: because I think that they're both winnable games, but if they're not winnable games, then we're talking about a very different season, right?
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be really interesting to see what happens here, but I think overall with the injury, everything that's happened, the fact that the bears are three and two, that's pretty good result from where we were when Caleb Williams went down with that injury.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're in a good place right now, and you know, unlike some fans that I saw that are trying to fire Ben Johnson,
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand, but yeah, this is a good team.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're in a good place, good roster.
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Twitter one with the backups.
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go get that went and uh.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I urge those individuals that think that they should fire Ben Johnson, which is the dumbest thing I've heard in the long time, to invest in NFL plus and go watch the all 22 and really watch it and tell yourself that it was Ben Johnson's fault.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just,
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really go back and just study it before you have that opinion because that's an insane thing.
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Answers were there and just work capitalized on.
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to get out of here.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back here next week.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Same time.
• 59:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tell them everybody.
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining us.