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Ep. 378 - The Puppet Masters (1994) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to Frightmar's podcast. I'm your host Austin Proctor
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  Speaker 4: and joining me today for episode three seventy eight is
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  Speaker 4: my good friend, Derek Farrera. How are we doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing wonderful, wonderful.
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  Speaker 4: How are you h just living in existential crisis mode?
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  Speaker 4: Just every day, It's wonderful. Every day I wake up,
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  Speaker 4: I just wake up screaming. It's a fun time. I
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  Speaker 4: recommend anybody out there if you're experiencing the same level
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  Speaker 4: of existential dread and fear and stuff screaming into a pillows. Great.
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  Speaker 4: But today, on another installment of Melian Invasion, we're discussing
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  Speaker 4: our deep cut pick the puppet Masters from nineteen ninety four,
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  Speaker 4: a movie which shows us that not even a parasitic
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  Speaker 4: alien invasion can stop love. Let's see where this lands
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  Speaker 4: on the nightmare index. I had the wrong shit open.
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  Speaker 4: I for God, we gotta do. Recently watched h It's
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  Speaker 4: been really hard to keep up, okay, with the screeners
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  Speaker 4: and the movies that get sent in, and then new
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  Speaker 4: horror movies, and then podcast movies and then just other
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  Speaker 4: things I would like, it is very hard to catch
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  Speaker 4: up up. So what have you been watching? Probably some
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  Speaker 4: of the same stuff as me, and that's cool because
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  Speaker 4: then we can both talk about it. So tell me
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  Speaker 4: about the last week or so.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's bad. Though.
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  Speaker 4: What's bad?
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  Speaker 3: What's bad my movie watching abilities recently? No, do you
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  Speaker 3: want to tell Do you want me to tell you
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  Speaker 3: about my reaction to the Jackass trailer or the reaction
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  Speaker 3: of this trailer, because I feel like all I fucking
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  Speaker 3: watched is trailers recently.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't watch the Jackass trailer. I am very excited
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  Speaker 4: for that though. It's like one of the things I
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  Speaker 4: didn't think i'd be doing in my thirties is watching
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  Speaker 4: Jackass movies and theaters. But hey, I'm not complaining. Uh
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  Speaker 4: did they get did they get Bammardji Rebeck or not?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I believe they did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, Well, hopefully he's finally on the straight and
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  Speaker 4: narrow because I have just I have just lost sympathy
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  Speaker 4: for that man over the years because they keep telling him, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you got you gotta be clean, like we don't want
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  Speaker 4: any of that ship, and then he can't get clean,
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  Speaker 4: and then he they have this whole pissing contest or
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  Speaker 4: he has a pissing contest with them. I really do
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  Speaker 4: hope the best for him, like I want him to
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  Speaker 4: get better, But at the same time, it's like, when
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  Speaker 4: is we got to grow up at some point, right, So.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. I mean, that's my biggest thing with
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  Speaker 3: the new Jackass movie is it was really it was
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  Speaker 3: a miss man. It should have been called like Jackass
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  Speaker 3: the Senior Years or something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. The what is what is it called when a
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  Speaker 4: band comes back? The reunion tour or something like Reunion Tour? Uh? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: but have so you did? What did you watch? Affection?
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  Speaker 4: You watch that right?
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  Speaker 3: I have not gotten to that yet. All of my
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  Speaker 3: movie watching recently has been a lot of mindless rewatches
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  Speaker 3: of parody movies that I haven't watched a really long time.
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  Speaker 3: I watched Austin Powers, I watched some National Lampoon movies.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: It's been I've been just I've I've just really needed
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  Speaker 3: to focus on nothing recently.
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  Speaker 4: No, I mean I get I totally get it. I'm
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  Speaker 4: with you. So after our last episode, I did watch
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  Speaker 4: Damian McCarthy's first feature film, Caveat, which was really good.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna did I say that already? I might
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  Speaker 4: have said it on the last episode. This movie also
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  Speaker 4: involves a lot of circles. This man loves circles. Watched
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  Speaker 4: The Godfather Part two because I edit the Shameless Picture
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  Speaker 4: Show and they did a podcast on that one. I
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  Speaker 4: gave it the same rating as the first Godfather, but
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  Speaker 4: where I didn't give that one a heart because I
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  Speaker 4: really I thought it was a great, fantastic movie. I
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  Speaker 4: just wasn't really into the subject material. I gave this
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  Speaker 4: one a four with a heart because this one was
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  Speaker 4: much more fascinating and interesting. I really wish we had
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  Speaker 4: just gotten a complete backstory on Vito Corleone, because that
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  Speaker 4: was the most interesting part of the movie to me.
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  Speaker 4: But I still do like Michael's transformation and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of dreading watch Part three because it's it's
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  Speaker 4: just the ratings are it's the worst one in the series.
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  Speaker 4: But apparently Coda is the right version to watch. I
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  Speaker 4: did rewatch Oddity, Damian McCarthy's second feature film, Still fucking Slaps,
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  Speaker 4: and then I watched Oh I got to catch up
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  Speaker 4: on the Cult movie challenge. So two weeks ago was
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  Speaker 4: te exploitation, and some of these exploitation subgenres are very
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  Speaker 4: I feel like they're just made up at this point.
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  Speaker 3: T exploitation, what the fuck is that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you asked Derek T exploitation, also known
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  Speaker 4: as techno horror or cybertronic cinema, is a very niche
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  Speaker 4: corner of the exploitation filmmaking and this is part of
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  Speaker 4: my review for Existence, which is what I watched. It
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  Speaker 4: took some digging to get a clear definition, but at
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  Speaker 4: its core plays on contemporary fear surrounding technology, media and surveillance,
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  Speaker 4: often leading into dystopian themes body horror, and the erosion
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  Speaker 4: of humanity of human autonomy. It's all about merging speculative
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  Speaker 4: tech like AI, invasive systems, and virtual realities with a grimy,
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  Speaker 4: sensationalist exploitation edge, and Existence fits right into that. It's Cronenberg.
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  Speaker 4: It's nineties Cronenberg, and I'm really I'm really thinking that
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  Speaker 4: this is my favorite era of Cronenberg, which is weird
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  Speaker 4: because of the run he had in the eighties, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Scanner's Videodrome, The Fly, the breod with seventy nine just
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  Speaker 4: fucking count that. But Naked Lunch is my favorite movie
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  Speaker 4: that he's ever made, which is from nineteen ninety That
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  Speaker 4: movie literally one of the wildest movies I've seen. Five stars.
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  Speaker 4: But then this movie from nineteen ninety nine, Existence not
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  Speaker 4: only has an insane concept, but I mean has a
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  Speaker 4: really incredible cast. You have Jennifer Jason Lee as her
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  Speaker 4: name is Alegra in this, and not like I was
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  Speaker 4: ever unattracted to her, but I was digging the vibes.
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  Speaker 4: Jude Laws in this, Ian Holmes in this, Willem de
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  Speaker 4: in this. It's so goddamn good and it feels weirdly
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  Speaker 4: relatable right now with the state of AI and everything.
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  Speaker 4: So it's funny that a movie from Math twenty seven
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  Speaker 4: years ago is like, I feel like this is more
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  Speaker 4: relevant than it wasn't nineteen ninety nine. So have you
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  Speaker 4: seen have you seen scary? Yeah? Which kind of scary.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like it was way ahead of its time.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know when AI really started becoming a thing,
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  Speaker 4: but ah, I'm pretty sure nineteen ninety nine, AI was
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  Speaker 4: just something they had talked about.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, well maybe it's So here's the problem is,
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  Speaker 3: we've had AI for a long time, though, just what
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  Speaker 3: it's morphed into true.
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  Speaker 4: True, that's very true, because I mean, I guess you can.
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  Speaker 4: I guess you can kind of say in a way,
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  Speaker 4: algorithms and stuff like that feel like just smaller versions
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  Speaker 4: of AI in a way, because it's it's calculating and
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  Speaker 4: running and basing things off of your interests. So that
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  Speaker 4: kind of feels like you've been automated, you know.
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  Speaker 3: The first like whatever that I can think of about
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  Speaker 3: like interacting with AI and not even realizing it was
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  Speaker 3: is on AOL chat aim back in the day you
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  Speaker 3: can talk to you could talk to Smarter child was
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  Speaker 3: technically an AI bought.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, smarter, Smarter Child.
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  Speaker 3: Let me just pull that memory out for you.
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  Speaker 4: That was a core memory that was deep, deep in
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  Speaker 4: the recesses of my brain. Oh, smarter Child. That shit
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  Speaker 4: was great. So yeah, I guess that would be about right.
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  Speaker 4: That was I'm late nineties, early two thousands. I want
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  Speaker 4: to say something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, okay, so existence I gave this another five out
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  Speaker 4: of five this it was just so good. Plus the
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  Speaker 4: they're you know, ending reveal I was not expecting just blew. Like.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of those where I was sitting back watching
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  Speaker 4: and then just like moved up and was like, oh shit,
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  Speaker 4: this is what we're doing. Got it? Okay. So David Cronenberg,
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  Speaker 4: you brilliant bastard. I love you. I didn't get to
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  Speaker 4: watch this week's movie challenge. But it gets even weirder.
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  Speaker 4: This week's is exploitation, Mexican exploitation. I couldn't find fucking
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  Speaker 4: anything on this online, so this one feels very made up.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I'm gonna just.
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  Speaker 3: Watch a Mexican film not filmed, you know, production, the
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  Speaker 3: people behind it, Oh my god, maybe something words, maybe
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  Speaker 3: to somebody who directed it. Yeah, the words aren't working.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's my daily life. Don't don't even worry about it.
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  Speaker 4: Because black exploitation was a real sub genre in the seventies.
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  Speaker 4: Because I explained this when I watched JD's Revenge, like
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  Speaker 4: that was a real thing derived from exploitation movies as
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  Speaker 4: a backlash, and so I get that. But I'm like exploitation.
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  Speaker 4: Let me, let me look this up. And everything's like,
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  Speaker 4: did you mean exploitation? It's like no, So I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to dig deeper. But I picked a movie called
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  Speaker 4: Hell's Trap. I have the Vinegar Syndrome release and it
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  Speaker 4: sounds like a lot of fun. I was gonna watch
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  Speaker 4: Rubin I think his name is Ruben Gayendo or Galindo Junior.
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  Speaker 4: He did Cemetery of Terror, Grave Robbers, and Don't Panic.
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  Speaker 4: But I've already watched all of those, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: damn it, I thought there was one I hadn't seen,
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  Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna do just gonna do Hell's Trap instead.
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  Speaker 4: But if if anybody hasn't seen any of those, we've
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  Speaker 4: done Cemetery of Terror on this podcast a couple of
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  Speaker 4: years ago. That one's I think. I think that's when
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  Speaker 4: I gave the highest rating too. It's really good. And
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  Speaker 4: then well, my letterbox decided to fuck right off, So
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  Speaker 4: let me go back into that. Watch Montow.
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  Speaker 3: Where do you pull?
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 3: Where do you pull? This? These this movie challenge from again?
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  Speaker 4: Uh? This one I found? Who sent me this? Jason
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  Speaker 4: Jason Hill from What did Jason Hill mean? Make me watch?
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  Speaker 4: He sents over this. It's a letterbox challenge much like Ooptober,
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  Speaker 4: and there is a master list that is posted by
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: the host of the challenge for that year and they
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  Speaker 4: give you well. In Ooptober's case, he gives you a
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  Speaker 4: certain amount of prompts to fill up as much as
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  Speaker 4: thirty one movies for October, and the Cult Movie Challenge
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  Speaker 4: is one movie a week, so fifty two movies each
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  Speaker 4: week has a prompt and I just took all I
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  Speaker 4: basically wrote it in a notes app, so I didn't
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  Speaker 4: have to constantly reference the list because I don't think
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  Speaker 4: you can. To my knowledge, you can't save list. You
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  Speaker 4: can like a list. Maybe I could go find it
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  Speaker 4: in my likes, but I just wrote it all down.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what this is. It's the I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how many times they've done it, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: continue to do this because I've just experienced so many films.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. My problem is is that I know Letterboxed does
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  Speaker 3: a social media app, but all I do is use
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  Speaker 3: it to like log my movies, so I'm missing out
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  Speaker 3: on the whole social media aspect of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I tag each review I do. Oh and
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  Speaker 4: I didn't tag existence. Now that I'm thinking of it,
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  Speaker 4: I tag it with CMC twenty twenty six. So if
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  Speaker 4: you search that, it's not really a hashtag. It's just
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  Speaker 4: a tag. If you search that tag, you can see
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  Speaker 4: everyone who's used CMC twenty twenty six and you can
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  Speaker 4: find their reviews and stuff like that. So let me
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  Speaker 4: add that tag CMC twenty six. There we go. Boom.
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  Speaker 4: So Yeah, that was this week's Cult Movie Challenge I'll
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: have to catch up next week. But two watched Monsters Inc.
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  Speaker 4: With the kiddo for the first time, which was great.
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  Speaker 4: She hadn't I don't think she'd seen it. We've tried
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  Speaker 4: to put it on a couple times and she just
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  Speaker 4: wasn't into it. And of course we put it on
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  Speaker 4: this time and she's like, I don't want to watch this,
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  Speaker 4: I want to watch Inside Out. So I was like,
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  Speaker 4: just fuck fucking give it five minutes, bro, and five
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  Speaker 4: minutes into it loving it, and I was like, see,
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: this is why I get to try new things. My
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: review for that one. My review for Monsters Inc. Is
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: I wish I could insert a picture of Mike Wazowski
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  Speaker 4: in my review so I could cover his face up
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  Speaker 4: with my review, because that's one of the greatest running
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: jokes of all time. I'm then back on my what
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: is it? My oh true crime documentary kick. I watched
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: Heaven's Gate The Cult of Cults wild shit. If you
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: don't know what el if you don't know what Heaven's
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  Speaker 4: Gay is, it is is crazy shit. So my review
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  Speaker 4: for that one, because it really upset me. I said
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: I was having a good day until I found out
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  Speaker 4: this mass suicide took place on my seventh birthday, and
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: I happened to finish, and I happened to finish the
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  Speaker 4: documentary on the seventh day of the month. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what this means, but I'm scared. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what's happening. That one is I think almost on HBO.
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  Speaker 4: I've been just going through all of these bangers five
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  Speaker 4: stars for that one, because that shit was crazy. And
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: then the last thing I watched was Thief, a recommendation
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  Speaker 4: from Gabby she had watched. And this one is a
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: Michael Man production, James Kahn, Tuesday Weld, Robert Prosky, Willie
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  Speaker 4: Nelson makes an appearance. Jim Belushi's in this, and then.
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  Speaker 3: I recognized it and as you started listening off the cast,
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  Speaker 3: that sounds familiar.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, it's so good. It's so goddamn good.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll let you have to watch the movie to
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  Speaker 4: really understand the review, because it's gonna be not that
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  Speaker 4: I spoiled anything, but it's no context for my review.
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  Speaker 4: Oh and then I watched Mortal Kombat last night because
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna go see Mortal Kombat too tonight. And my
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  Speaker 4: review for that is people literally don't know how to
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: shut their brain off and enjoy dumb fun. The average
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  Speaker 4: rating of Mortal Kombat the twenty twenty one version is
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  Speaker 4: two point five. I'm like, what, that movie was fucking awesome.
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  Speaker 4: It was bloody, it's so good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a lot of fun with it.
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  Speaker 4: I just like, I don't know, I don't know. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: this has a worse rating than the one from nineteen
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  Speaker 4: ninety five. I'm sorry. It's not a good movie. Great
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: martial arts, fucking what is his name, Goran or whatever,
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: the dude with foe arms. That was a great practical effect,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: but it's it's not It's not a good movie. So
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: I just find that very strange. But the new one
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  Speaker 4: has Carl Urban in it, and the ratings are much higher,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: and it's probably because it has one hundred percent more
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: car Alurban and everybody loves Carl Urban. Uh. And if
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  Speaker 4: you don't know the name, you know the face. So
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  Speaker 4: I think that's all I have for for watches. That
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: was a lot of shit. Anything else you'd like to
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: comment on that? You're excited?
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  Speaker 3: I forget that. I watched over your dead body and
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  Speaker 3: really enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yes, what did you what did you give that rating? Wise?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I gave that a solid four and a half four.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, four, So Gabby and I gave it a four
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  Speaker 4: and a half. You gave it a four. It is
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  Speaker 4: a really good movie. It's three people with a four
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  Speaker 4: or higher. All right, enough chit chatting about all a
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  Speaker 4: crap I've watched Let's roll in shoot. Oh wait, no, sorry,
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  Speaker 4: from the corrections department. From the corrections department, I gotta
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  Speaker 4: say this or also I'll get screamed at by myself. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Close Encounters actually came in the number four spot. We
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: have House dou at four point four zero out of Donna,
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  Speaker 4: the Dead at a four point three five out of five,
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  Speaker 4: Trained to Bisson at a four point twenty out of five.
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  Speaker 4: Hey O, smoke them if you got them, and then
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  Speaker 4: Close Encounters of the Third kind four point one five
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  Speaker 4: out of five. I was really hoping it would take
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  Speaker 4: the third spot because you know, Close Encounters of the
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  Speaker 4: third whatever. So that's that now, Now we can move
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  Speaker 4: on to the body count. All right, So this is
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  Speaker 4: the puppet Mass Stirs from nineteen ninety four. Please do
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  Speaker 4: not confuse it with the Full Moon. Features very different
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  Speaker 4: things going on in This released on October twenty first
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  Speaker 4: of that year in the US. It is rated R
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  Speaker 4: for violence, sci fi, gore, and brief language. However, there's
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  Speaker 4: no sex in nudity, although I could argue, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I guess you see a girl in her bral, I
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  Speaker 4: guess it's not really sex or nudity. Moderate violence and gore,
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  Speaker 4: mild profanity, mild alcohol, drugs and smoking, and moderate frightening
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  Speaker 4: and intense scenes. So it's a pretty tame R rated
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  Speaker 4: horror movie. Runtime of an hour and forty nine minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Listed as a horror sci fi thriller. This is where
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  Speaker 4: things get crazy outside of the director. It's about to
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: get real wild, so hang with me here, directed by
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Stuart Orme. He only directed one other movie called The
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Wolves of Willoughby Chase, so there you have it. He
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: did a lot more work in TV with thirty nine credits,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: but written by three people. Ted Elliott, who also wrote
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Small Soldiers, Shrek and the first four Pirates of the
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Caribbeans movies Pirates of the Caribbean movies, Terry Rossio who
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: wrote all of those same things, plus Aladdin and the
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: two Godzilla Versus Kong movies, which is crazy, and then
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: we have David S. Goyer who wrote Blade one through three,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Christopher Nolan's Batman one through three, and the twenty twenty
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: two hell Raiser composed by Colin Towns who also composed
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: the Haunting of Julia Rawhead, Rex and Vampire's Kiss. Cinematography
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: by Clive Tickner, who also did the cinematography for Spice World.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: And then we have edited by William Goldberg who also
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: edited Heat, another Michael Man joint National Treasure one and two,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: and Argo. It's no wonder the production value of this
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: movie is so good because you have an incredible product,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: like a production team happening here, not a surprise at all.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Starring Donald Sutherland as Andrew Nivens. He was also funny
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: enough in Invasion of the Body Snatchers as Matthew Bonell.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Eric sahl A is Sam Nivens. He was in the
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Shaft movie about a killer elevator I believe is Jeffrey
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Julie Warner as Mary Sefton. She was in Tommy Boy
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: as Michelle Keith David as Alex Holland. He was also
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: in They Live. We've covered that on this podcast as
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Frank and Will Patton pops up in this as Doctor Graves,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I'd say, most notably from Return or Remember the Titans
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: as Coach Bill yost estimated budget of nothing. I could
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: find this was actually filmed parts of it at least
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: in moin In Iowa, Los Angeles, and Fresno, California. You
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: can find this on Prime for a three ninety nine rental.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Check out the movies that came out in nineteen ninety four.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: You Have Little Giants, which I fucking love that movie,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: The Swan Princess, Class of Newcombe High Part three, The Good,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: the Bad, and the Sub Subhumanoid, The Never Ending Story three, Stargate, Texas,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Chainsaw Massacre, The Next Generation, one of the worst films
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: ever made. Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, The Santa Claus Star Trek
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Generations interview with the Vampire and Miracle on forty thirty
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: fourth Street, which is funny. I didn't realize that Santa
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Claus and Miracle on thirty fourth Street came out in
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: the same month. The Midwest or Sorry IMDb Summery. The Midwest,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: USA is invaded by stingray shaped alien slugs that ride
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: on people's backs and control their minds in order to
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: spread their dominion. Government agency reps. Sam Gibbons, Andrew Nivens,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: and Mary Sefton must stop the Aliens. This is the Autopsies,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: all right, So this is the first time watch for
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: both of us. What are your overall thoughts on The
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Puppet Masters.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I really liked it. I wish that I hadn't looked
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: at negative reviews after the fact, because I'm like reading
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: them and I'm like, well, some of these people are
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: definitely hitting some good points. But like, I truly enjoyed it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I did too, and I think I have I think
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I have a pretty solid answer to why people did
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: not like this movie that we will get to. But
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I agree, I quite enjoyed this movie. It has a
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: really killer opening. I'd say the pacing is slightly uneven
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: in the middle, and the ending is a little underwhelming,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: but as a whole, like, this movie was fucking awesome.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed this a lot more than I thought
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: I was, especially because it started so strong. I was thinking, Okay,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: are we gonna keep this momentum up? And they definitely
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: keep the momentum up in terms of the paranoia and
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: the dress, but story wise, I'm like, all right, we
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: probably could have cut this or that out. So let's
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: we have to start with why I think people don't
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: like this movie, and it's because I don't know how
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: many people are properly educated about the puppet Masters, right,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: So Invasion of the Body Snatchers and this movie are
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: heavily compared, and I can see why, not only because
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Donald Sutherland is in you know, both of these movies.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: You know, not the original Invasion, but the nineteen seventy
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: eight version. However, The puppet Masters from this from nineteen
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: ninety four is the only adaptation of the puppet Master's
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: novel outside of I would say The Faculty, which vibes
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: very much like this movie, but that book was published
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: in nineteen fifty one by Robert A. Heinlein. The novel
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: is considered one of the first and most influential alien
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: takeover stories in the genre, featuring a mix of suspense
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: and espionage. Much like our movie, Aliens land in Iowa.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: They take over hu manity, acting as puppet masters that
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: can share their knowledge with their hosts. The main character
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: is Sam Cavanaugh. I think what was his name, Sam
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Nevin in this whatever, but he still has the same
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: first name, and they are tasked with infiltrating the enemy
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: despite being possessed by one himself. The book is apparently
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: reported as fast paced science fiction, focusing on Cold War
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: era fears, infiltration, paranoia, and the loss of individual autonomy. Now,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Invasion of the Body Snatcher's book was not published until
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: nineteen fifty five, four years later, so this story was
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: before Invasion of the Body Snatchers. But unlike Puppet Masters
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: having a forty three year gap between the novel and
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: the first movie adaptation, Invasion of the Body Snatchers gets
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: a feature one year later, in nineteen fifty six. They
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: retitled it Invasion of the Body Snatchers because the book
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: is just called body Snatchers or the body Snatchers. And
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: then twenty two years later it would get another, you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: a remake in nineteen seventy eight, and then nineteen I
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: need three they did another remake I guess called Body Snatchers,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: And apparently there's one from two thousand and seven called
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: The Invasion, but I don't know much about that. So
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know how Nicole Kidman I believe I'm in.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I'm into it. I just don't like all her fucking
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: ads at AMC. So apparently that's loosely based on this. So,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: and you know, the original novel of Valent, Invasion of
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: the Body Snatchers is very much just like the iteration
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: I've seen, seed like pods dript from space space, creating
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: emotionless physical duplicates of residents, replacing them while they sleep.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: And then the main protagonist, and that is Miles Bonnell,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: uncovers the plot fighting to save the town's humanity. So
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: I find it very interesting that The Puppet Masters was
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: made first technically book wise, but no one, we didn't
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: get a movie for forty three years. Why is no
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: one talking about this? I feel like people just don't
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: do Did you happen to know that I did not see?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't either, And I think we talked about this
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: on our Invasion of the Body Snatcher's episode last year,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: but I don't remember how much detail we went into it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's just it's interesting because everyone is saying,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: at least from what I read, that, oh, this is
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: just Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and I'm like, but
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: this one actually was the first one, and they're they're
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: very different. One is something that creates this pod while
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: connecting all of these FuG and tentacles to you, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: it replicates your body. These are aliens that just hit
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: your ride, on your back and control you. Is I
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: don't know, would you say that's not different enough to
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: be considered not? Uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Being derivative? You know what I mean?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a every every great idea comes
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: from everything's being rewritten. Everything, you know, there was probably
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: a story that came before these that sire, you know.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: So if anything, the Invasion of the Body Snatchers could
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: have been influenced by the puppet Master's book. So I
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: don't know how many people know that. But technically, even
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: though the movie did not come first, the book was
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: before the original Invasion of the Body Snatcher's book. And
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: funny enough, the books both have the same rating of
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: a three point nine out of five on something called Goodreads. Now,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: of course this is not the time when they were released.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know how they were received in the nineteen fifties.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Really information I can obtain, but it's funny that they
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: both have the same rating for the book, and then
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: the movies have drastically different ratings, So drastically Invasion of
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: the Body Snatchers very consistent though with their three Well,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I guess technically four, we're just gonna say three. So
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I think that's why there's a lot of kind of
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: discourse over this movie, is that people are enjoying it
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: for what it is, despite maybe it's similarities to Invasion
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: of the Body Snatchers. But this story was technically made first. Oh,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I'll give you the ratings of all of the other
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: movies at the end when I do other ratings. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: that is my public service announcement. Technically this movie was first,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: and it had DIBs. I just think it got overshadowed
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: by Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Who knows. But let's
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: move on to the forgotten middle child of ninety sci
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: fi horror. Before I had told you about this movie,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: had you even heard of it?
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Oh you had?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, thanks to the faculty. Oh that's right, because
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: she brings up the book and then I can't remember
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: if the movie gets brought up, but I know she
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: brings up the book when she's talking to Elijah Wooden
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: and stuff, and of course you know that was enough
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: for me to be like, oh, let me look that up.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Oh it's a movie too.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's right, so, and that's clearly the faculty is
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: clearly inspired by this, but they do it a little differently.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: It's not really something that doesn't sit on your back.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: It infects you and then you become all of these
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: little stringy bits and it's very Lovecraftian and then of
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: course you get the big creature at the end, which
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: we didn't get here, and I'm not necessarily mad at that,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: but we'll get there. So this is a movie, though,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: that really nobody talks about, honestly, because I think there's
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: a very much more prominent franchise called puppet Master, and
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: they've got like thirty seven puppet Master movies. But it's
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: surprising that this isn't talked about more because you've got
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: alien parasites controlling humans, great practical effects, government conspiracy, paranoia,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: solid stunt work. There is some really good stunt work
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: in this and a cast that is way better than
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: this movie gets credit for. But it did also come
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: out in a kind of a strange time for horror
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: and sci fi. We talked about this on Vampire in Brooklyn.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: The mid nineties was this weird transitional period where studios
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: were trying to figure out what audience wanted, Our audience
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: is wanted. After the excess of the eighties, horror was
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: moving towards self awareness, sci fi was getting a little
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: bit slicker, practical effects were on their way out, and
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: CG was starting to come into that. So puppet Masters,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: since in this really weird in between space, Like, is
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: was it just me? Or did it feel like this
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: was almost an eighties move outside of the CG it
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: just felt older than ninety four? Am I alone in
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: that thought?
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know it was given me like early nineties vies,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I just it feels like it's like it came from
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: the decade before, but not in a bad way. And
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I think the thing that helps the movie hold up
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: today is those practical effects. That's where this movie gets
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: a lot of bonus points from me. Now, yes, there
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: was a very very few, like sparsely used CG. It was,
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: and it wasn't horrible like when they touched that bubble
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: to go into the hive that was seen. Yeah, but
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: like whatever, the whole hive was fucking practical. I'm not
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: gonna not gonna get angry over one little CG thing.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: And then every now and again, the little sting ray
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: would be CG. When it gets like hitting the rotor
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: blade of the helicopter, that was CG. But it's the
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: helicopters moving around so much you really don't notice it,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: and it's a really quick shot. But you've got this wet,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: fleshy slugs the stingray. It feels unpleasant and away. CG
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: from that era wouldn't have survived because I mean, ninety
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: four it's a little early, but CG was there. I mean,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Mortal Kombat Annihilation was ninety seven, and we all know
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: how that turned out. The CG from Mortal Kombat Annihilation
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: is just atrocious, but I think the movie did it
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: smartly by keeping them physical. And of course I know everybody, well,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: I say, everybody, you love practical effects.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Everybody loves you. You can be bad with it. Nobody's
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: over here going fuck practical.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Give me CG. What did you think of the actual
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: like creature design? Because I find it interesting. They were
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: these little like sting I mean stingrays, right, that's what
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: they are.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: But that's what they were, were stingrays. And then like
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: there was a couple of times where I'm like, almost
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: looks like a starfish. But it would be interesting to
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: know how they were described in the book and if
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: it was like a changed because like, come on, really,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: you're just gonna like fuck it sting ray dude.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, I don't know how how imaginative were people,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: You know, people were seventy five years ago.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: They probably mean I suppose when the book was written,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: it could have just been like, oh, Stingray shaped or whatever.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: So when they adapted into a movie, they were like, well,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: let's go with this and just make it look creepy.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: I like to live in the world where this guy
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: was trying to get inspiration for his book and just
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: walking out in nature and sees a sting ring. He's like,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: those are slimy and gross. What if I made an alien,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: like a smaller version of that as an alien, And
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: that's what I used to you know, because he also
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: has like a little i'd say, like a scorpion tale
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: that sticks into the back of your neck and then
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: it starts controlling you. But like you've like when they
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: attached themselves to people, I felt I was I was
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I feel the discomfort that they're feeling because I was like, oh,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: the back of the neck is just such a sensitive area.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: I'm very ticklish back there, so having something jabbed into
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: my neck really wouldn't be down with that. And it's
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: also so invasive with the way that they're presenting this
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: body horror, because you know it's it's coming from the backside,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: and that's your you know, your least defensive side. If
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: you're not paying attention, you're screwed. So I really think
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: that that how the creature attaches itself to you and
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: then subsequently controls you was a fun idea. I don't
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: know if that works for you, but I really worked
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: for me with how they and then how they communicate too.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I thought it was all very well done. What do
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: you think the communication? Like, they're standing back to back
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: and it's like, what the fuck is going on right now?
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: It looks so dirpy. I guess you're not wrong. When
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: we first see them connects, it's when you realize Sam
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: has one on his back and he's going into Jarvis's
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: house because they need to make sure nothing fucky's going on,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: and he opens that box and it's just all these
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: uh eggs. I guess very nineteen seventy nine alien style,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: because then it opens up in his hand and I'm
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: sitting there like, we're gonna throw that thing, We're gonna
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: stet it on fire. What are we doing? And then
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: he has this demented look on his face and then
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: attacks the guy, and then of course the you know,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: comes into form as an alien. Then they turn around
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: and basically like start having sex with their face parts.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: It was kind of fun because they're just standing still
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: and the little threat, you know, the goopy stuff between them,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: they're sitting like like vibrating. So I found that interesting,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: and I think this movie does a great job at
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: slowly revealing how these creatures work, because you learn in
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: time that basically every copse the sting ray whatever you
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: wanna call it, can copy itself at like a one
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: to one scale, which is fucking nuts. And once they
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: link up, it has all the memories of every person
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: that that stingray has been in contact with. I thought
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: that was really cool. They have this hive mind, almost
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: kind of like how some vampires have that hive mind.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: So there's like this, yeah, one big unit controlling everything
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: with all these tiny arms. Again, I just I found
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: it interesting because it's not it just felt fresh, I
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: guess because I'm not saying it hasn't been done before,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: but how they did it, I feel was effective.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: For me.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed the progression of them explaining it because
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: they don't give you everything right up front. They don't
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: really frontload this movie. They give you what's gonna happen
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: real quick. I mean they got it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Was shocked at how quick this jumped into it, because
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've had this on my radar for so long.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: But one of the biggest reasons I pushed it off
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: was because I'm like, it's probably gonna focus more on
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: the drama.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: And Donald sell, No, you've got some horror. You've actually
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: got some pretty sick action sequences. You've got you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I would say, you know, it's labeled a thriller. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: would say that as well, maybe even a suspense. But yeah,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: the movie opened so quickly and right off the rip,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: as you like to say, because I've stole that from you,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: I thought, oh, this is gonna be cheesy because they're
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: throwing a literal saucer shaped frisbee and I'm like, all right,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: that's kind of on the nose. And then they see
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: this thing in the sky that shoots down to earth,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: and it just kept getting worse. And then the three
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: kids run into that guy and then they smack him
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: with the bat. What the fuck's going on here? And
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: then they explain all. I mean, they don't explain why
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: the kids hit the guy with the bat, but once
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: you it contextualizes itself, once you realize how these things spread.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: But the thing that hit me the most was when
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Donald Sutherland was talking to his son, like, yeah, a
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: new TV camera crew came out here to do you like,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: you know, a new spot for cable and they said
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: a UFO landed here. But then an hour later they
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: claimed it was a hoax, and I was like, aliens,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: they've they've already attached themselves to these people. The fuck
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: is going on here, So it could like the movie
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: contextualizes the first part of it by later explaining what's
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: going on. I thought that was fun, but I mean,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: seven minutes in, because I clocked this, I was curious.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: The plot is laid out, They lay out exactly what's happening.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: They waste no time, and by fifteen minutes you know
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: that parasites are controlling people from their back, like ten
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: out of ten no notes I have, I have no
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: notes in the in the test that I loved. I mean,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: this is in the first fifteen minutes, Mary's like, no
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: one is looking at my boobs and I am presenting
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: them something is off here, And I was like, that's act.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: That's a solid way to test men, like if.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: You she leaned over that thing teenage boys.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Especially the teenage boys that she was like, that's kind
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: of strange. And then leaning over the desk at that
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: guy when they were talking to him from the news station,
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: didn't even glance, And I'm like, I can't argue. That's
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: a great way to test this. So I thought that
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: was great as well. And then you even get a
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: not a car chase, but you get a what would
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: you I guess, a car barreling through town with someone
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: attached to the side of it, and then he just
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: gets plugged by that telephone box. Out fucking it was
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: a great you could tell it was a dummy. Great
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: use of a dummy. Like again, ten out of ten,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: no notes.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Nothing I love more in a movie than a dummy.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, when I'm like, that's a dummy and I
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: don't care because you just smashed him into a telephone box.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: And then and then they hit the kid on the
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: bike and he goes through when she was like Jesus Christ,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: But I noticed something. I don't know if you noticed this,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: because I had to rewind it because I wasn't sure
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: if I caught it. When that happens, Jarvis doesn't express
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: any emotion in the front seat, and I sat there like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: m He's got a parasite on him, doesn't he.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: And he crashes through the window and like he's just
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: kind of like pushing him out of the way, right
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: And I was like, motherfucker's got a parasite on son
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: of them already they already kind of showed that this
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: dude is emotionless. But then like that was like the
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: like I'm not like actually trying to help right now,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to push this fucker out of my way.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: He seemed more annoyed than anything, like, Ah, this is God.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Can we not have this happen? So that was great.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: And then how the alien gets loose and you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: their headquarters, I thought, wow, Okay, I wasn't expecting this.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I really thought we were gonna stay in fuck in
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Iowa this whole time. But the movie shifts locations a
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: few times. And I was okay with that. It felt
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: natural to kind of move around. But typically in a movie,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: if you changed too many locations, it can get like
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: super jarring. But here it made sense because the hive
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: is constantly moving, and I guess they still kind of
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: stayed in the same I guess they were still in
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: the same state. They were just in government building, so
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: it was hard to know exactly where we were at.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: But I love the progression of the story. I think
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: they did it very well where I got to go
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: back to my notes here do do do do?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Do?
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, back to the creatures real quick, because I
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: had a one last thing I wanted to say about
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: those is like, it's not just the effects that works,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: it's the design in the interaction. Because the people are
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: physically reacting to these things, there are stunt performers working
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: around them. And that definitely wasn't a guy in a
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: bra who jumped out of the window when Mary hopped
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: onto that car. It's like, definitely not a guy in
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: a bra. Definitely clearly saw Yeah. I was like, there's
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: a hairy chest at everything. I was like, wow, okay,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: So it's like the creature. The creatures feel like they
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: exist in this scene, and that always gives the practical
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: effects and advantage to me because they just look so gross.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: The way they attach themselves feels real. It kind of
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: makes me wins every time. This movie totally understands that
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: slimy alien puppets should actually like they should just look disgusting,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: and these things look fucking grotesque. Would not want to
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: interact with those zero out of ten there so, And
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: something else they do with those creatures is that I
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: don't know, did you feel like there was an excess
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: of the creatures or did you feel like they showed
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: them just enough? Because I feel like there was a
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: little bit restraint. They weren't constantly in your face, but
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: when you see them, they're using them, and they're using
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: them effectively in my opinion, you know what, And.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Not even something that really crossed my mind. Yeah, so
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I guess No, I guess they didn't show them like
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: too much or anything. I did find it bizarre knowing
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: how they spread like when they you know, because at
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: first you see it on the neck, but then when
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: the dude like opens his shirt and he's just like
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: got him on here, Oh god, you can just place
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: it on and I was like, Oh, Okay, that's more
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: fucked up than I expected.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: Like I thought it was just like I just detached
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: myself and yeah, I guess they can't wait for one
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: to recreate itself, so they just have that do it
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: a few times and stick them all to them. It's
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: like you get one, you get one, everybody gets one.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that was really fun because they did that
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: a couple times. Actually, like they did that twice where
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, that's a fun way to bring
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: those in and just cause mass chaos. But I think
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: what really sells the paranoia is is the cast, because again,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: you have such an incredible cast and everyone's playing it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I would say straight for the most part, there's it's
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: really not There's really not any humor or lightness to
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: this except like the very end when they make that
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: joke and then the credits roll. But other than that,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: like there's no winking at the audience. Nobody is acting
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: like they're in a giant invasion alien b movie. And
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Donald Sutherland is perfect in this role, not just because
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: he was an invasion in the Bodies of the Body Snatchers,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: but it's just like if there wasn't ever an actor
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: built to be in a lab and deliver paranoid government
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: scientific sci fi dialogue. It's Donald's. He has a commanding presence.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: He has such a serious face most of the time.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: And he played this so serious. I mean, just like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: do this, do this, do this, and.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't break, didn't break at all. He just was decision, decision, decision.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: You're like, damn man, Like he always looks like he
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: knows something terrible that you don't know and he's about
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: to tell you.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: He really does give that vibe.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Can I just I just need him to deliver all
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: of my bad news because he would do it in
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: a way that I was like, I understand, he's.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Like the boss you get along with, Yeah, exactly.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: You're scared to death of him, but you feel like
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: he respects you, like yeah. Uh. And then of course
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: he got Keith David, who whose presence automatically improves any scene.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Because I love Keith David. I don't know about.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Every he stole every scene he was in that Yeah,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: at the end was great.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: That was such a great fight. There was a lot
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: of like hand to hand combat that I was not
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: expecting at all. Like, no, like the scene at the
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: government building, when Sam is just trying to fight that
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: girl and be nice about it, and then he's like,
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: fuck it, here's a frying pan, smack, here's here's two uppercuts.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Douche like, I'm like, okay, this movie is just going there.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: And then yeah, the whole fighting back and forth on
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: the uh on the rooftop, which is funny because now
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: this is two movies where there have been fights involving
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Keith David on rooftops, and that is they live in
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: this one, So that's two movies. For some reason, he's
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: getting in trouble on rooftops. I think he needs to
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: stay away from those. But he also just has one
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: of those voices like Donald Sutherland has a commanding presence,
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: and I'm not saying Keith David doesn't have that, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: he has that commanding voice. It's like he speaks. Good, Yeah,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: he speaks, and you listen.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I didn't think, you know, rooftops
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: with him, they just go hand in hand with eighties
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: nineties movies. Anyway, they loved rooftops in the eighties and nineties.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: And then we even get a helicopter scene in this
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: that was a shot.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: If it hadn't been for the fact that on the
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: back of my DVD copy there's a shot of a helicopter.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Never never would have saw that coming.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: That was great. I mean you have one helicopter scene
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: where they're getting away, and then the other helicopter scene
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: where Donald Sutherland has the parasite. Now he's like, ah,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: I'm getting away and Sam is grabbing you know, he
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: grabs onto the fucking whatever, the landing pads, whatever you
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: want to call him, and then he's like, I know
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: how to drive or fly helicopter and just toodles off
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: into the distance. That was great.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I say the green screening in that was pretty solid
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: for the time too. Yeah, like you could tell it
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: was green screen, but you didn't have that cheap sci
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: fi shitty look to it where it was like, oh.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they did good blending effects what they're editing. When
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: they said that, I.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: Agree for a movie I you can't even find a
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: budget on It's like.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: The CGI, you can't find a budget for this movie?
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Well, I you know, I look on IMDb and if
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: it's not there, I'm lazy. I don't go look anywhere else,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: but I will Google.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if it's not on IMDb. Like that means
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: it's not probably gonna be on the Wikipedia page.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Or let's find out. We'll find out together puppet Master's film.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Give me a fucking budget. Let mean, I probably just
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: type in puppet Master's wiki budget, or you could.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Type in fucking budget. I mean you might get you something.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Uh come, okay, So about oh wow, budget of about
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: fifteen million okay and only so it also failed in
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: theaters eight point six million box office like I met,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: like I mentioned, So yeah, this was technically a failure unfortunately.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: But yeah, fifteen million dollar budget, that's that's why this
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: looks so good. That that totally tracks for nineteen ninety
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: four of why everything looks those good. So yeah, there
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: was a lot of unexpected parts of this movie I
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: was not expecting, and I think it all went together
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: pretty well. But wait, I'm not there yet, because even
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: though all this alien chaos is happening, I think there's
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: some interesting thematic stuff. So we're gonna get to the
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: stuff that did work and then the stuff that didn't work,
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: because you know, like a lot of invasive horror, I
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: feel this is about control. These parasites aren't killing people,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: they are they're overriding them. Like that's the real horror
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: here is these aliens aren't coming here to demolish us.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: They want to use us as vessels to I don't
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: know what the endgame is, you know, like, Okay, we've
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: taken over everybody, Now what do we do go to another?
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: The thing with all these invasion movies, well all the
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: ones that I've seen, Invasion, the Body Snatcher, is this one,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: the faculty, They all come here essentially telling us like,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: we can make shit better for you. That's right, you
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: won't feel pain, you won't feel this, You'll feel ten
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: times stronger. So it's like, in the end with any
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: of these alien movies, why are we fighting it? Dude?
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Just let a fucking be an empty vessel pod?
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Who just let it happen?
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Man? Yeah, you freaking we'd have like world peace in
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: two seconds. And I'm not letting the aliens do it
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: for us.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: That's true. I mean, they have one giant hive mind
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: where they all know everybody is in. All the aliens
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: are getting along. They're all in the same fucking page.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: That's all we need. We need an alien invasion. Yeah,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: that's it, all right.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: These aliens are still showing up to work. They're still
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: doing their jobs.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: That's very true. Just blew my mind with that, like
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: they're just trying. These aliens feel weirdly helpful. So h
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: But I think the film leads into the paranoia of
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: anybody could be an alien. You don't really know. It's
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: very much like they live. Unless you have those glasses,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: you don't know who the fuck's an alien. Unless you
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: see this thing on the back of this person, You're
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: not gonna know if it's an alien. You know, your friends.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I mean these aliens, I tell you they got they're
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: They're not trying to hide at all. Dude. Everybody in
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: this movie purposely had to wear a high collar shirt
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: just so they could block the alien. Like, if you
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: have an alien on you right now, I'd be able
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: to see that shit because you got a T shirt on.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: That's funny because I look, when they went into that
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: other government building to unleash hell. There, Sam and the
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: guy he got at Jarvis's apartment, I could see a
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: little hump back there, and I was like, Okay, cool,
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: they probably have something under there, because they both had
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: a slight hump. But then when he was at Mary
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: or when Sam was at Mary's house. At one point
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: she lets the cat down and I remember looking up
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: at her shirt and I'm like, okay, there's nothing under there,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: and then she takes it off and it's there, and
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: I was like, ah, I'm seeing the lines here.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: He goes to reach for her back, and as soon
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: as she pushed away the first time, I was like, Paris,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: para is Paris.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: And that's what's great about this movie is it hops
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: around from every main character. I love that we go
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: from Jarvis, who unfortunately kills himself because when the parasite
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: is removed from you, you go through this almost like
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: withdrawal from it, and I guess he just didn't want
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: to live, so Jarvis dies. But then it goes to Sam,
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: then it goes to Mary, and then eventually it goes
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: to Donald Sutherland. I can't remember his name, fucking Gary
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: or whatever, so I think that's it was kind of repetitive.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: But I also loved it because I didn't expect every
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: single one of the main characters to be fighting off
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: one on them personally, because I didn't look any information
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: up before I watched it. I just found this movie.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: It fit in with the theme and I said, I'm
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: just gonna go in as blind as I can.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: So they didn't go into detail with it, but it
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: makes you want because like everybody kind of progressively had
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: an easier time getting the parasite on, so like, are
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: off rather so did this like is it a mind thing?
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Like Donald Sutherland's like this smart dude, so like he
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: gets the parasite off and then he's like, dad, don't
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: die on me, and he's like stop yelling, like he
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: goes right back to normal, whereas Jarvis, poor bastard, was like,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: oh my god, like he was like, fucking hadn't used
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: heroin in two days and you need to die over it.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: I think that my speculation there is because I had
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: that same thought, and I'm thinking it's how long you're
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: influenced by the like the parasite because true, true, I
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: think Jarvis had it on for a day or two,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: whereas Sam probably had it on for a few hours.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Mary also probably. I think everyone else besides Jarvis was
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: a few hours at most, So I.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Think, yeah, yeah, the one it was like twenty minutes.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe because they're like it's all over, just getting
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: ones on my back. But yeah, I think it's it's
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: the longer you have it on the probably the more
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: control it gains over you, the more it's like you
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: need me to survive. Now, So poor Jarvis. That justice
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: for Jarvis. I just want to throw that out there,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: justice for hashtag justice for Justice for Jarvis.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: I'm using that on my next video and people be like,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: what is this? Hashtags?
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Go, go listen, I'll hashtag that on YouTube when I
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: put this, you know, when I put the recording up
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: on YouTube hashtag, it'll be the only one I bet,
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: which will be great. So yeah, and so yeah, I
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: think this movie. What this movie does is it kind
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: of updates the setting for the nineties, but it still
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: feels rooted in kind of older sci fi anxieties, which
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: give this it gives this film almost like a retro
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: paranoia energy. But it still works in the nineties for me, because,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: especially in the horror landscape of the nineties, you get
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: a lot going on, Like, you know, we've this comes
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: up a lot when we talk about basically any movie
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: from the nineties, but the nineties were all over the place,
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: and I feel like this one stands out amongst the
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: weirdness that I've seen, you know, that I've that has
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: gone on in the nineties, because it has kind of
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: that glossy mid nineties studio energy. The pacing is a
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: little bit faster, there's some big action that the stunt
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: work is fucking impressive. In this it feels like it's
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: trying to modernize classic like classic sci fi for an
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: audience that was leaning towards bigger budget movies because then
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: action movies were all over the place in the nineties.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: You had Schwarzenegger doing all kinds of shit.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: That's stay threw the Wall, and that's what's stuck in
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: the nineties.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Right, is action action, like all the action movies. So
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: I think and I just can't believe it didn't work
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: during that time. Maybe it was because it came out
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: in October and there was a lot bigger movies that
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: were I don't know the reason. Who knows. It could
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: be marketing. Maybe they didn't market it well enough. But
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: sometimes the pacing works, and then sometimes it doesn't really
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: work because it's like the movie wants to simmer for
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: a little bit, but then it's like, all right, how
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: long are we gonna simmer here for? Because the first half,
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: I would say, tonally is solid, there's mystery, there's paranoia,
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: the slow realization something is spreading. It's all great, but
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: then when we get to the larger alien invasion, it's
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: starts to get a little uneven. It's like introducing bigger
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: action beats and broader steaks before really the emotional tension
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: has has peaked here. So it's like it's it's like
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: they were running in the beginning and like, fuck, we
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: gotta pace ourselves and slow down a bit, but we're
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: gonna introduce all this other big stuff. And then by
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: the ending they introduced all of this, all of this
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: massive you know, the hive and all that stuff. And
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: then by the ending, I was like I kind of
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: felt underwhelmed, like just slightly, because it was a happy ending.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: I was like, how do we go from world?
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: We did not expect a happy ending with this at all.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I thought for sure it was going to be an
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: ambiguous like ooh, the aliens still out there or.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Not like you like it, like it pans down to
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: an alien egg that's like you know, moving around or whatever.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it was just this happy, happy ending and
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: it just kind of didn't fit with everything that was
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: set up because they were really progressing so fast. I mean,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: the reason they were able to get them I enjoyed.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: We didn't see like an explosion or anything, or blowing
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: up the hive because basically, if you blow up the hive,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: it's one giant brain with all of these tentacles, is
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: how they described it. So if you blow up the brain,
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: it's it's like every hive mind. You know, if you
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: have a vampire, what's it like master or whatever overlord,
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: and you destroy that vampire, it releases the effects on
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: anybody else he's turned into a vampire. It's like it's
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: like that. And I was like, that's cool, but there
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: was like, no, where's the big boom. I wanted the
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: huge explosion of blowing up the hive. We didn't get that.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: They're just like, yay, we did it. And then they
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: have the one last conflict with Donald Sutherland and that
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: one gets splattered into the tail rotor and then he
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: lands and hunky door everybody goes on their way.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I was like, talk about unrealistic, like yeah, and I
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, right, yeah, I don't think. Yeah. It's
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: almost like they like burned through the budget. And then
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: they got to the part where they were supposed to
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: blow up the hive, and they were like, not too
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: deep ent that budget on that helicopter. Man, it's just
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: gonna have to be video chatting with that general and
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: he's gonna tell you that everything's okay.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: I'm glad they didn't at least resort to some CG
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: explosion or some shit. But I really I figured, you know,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: You like set it on fire or yeah, anything. We
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: got one good grenade throw Yeah, I can't even say
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: good grenade goro, And we got one good like you know,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: when he set off the C four or whatever, just
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: to distract them.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Oh those are flash bangs. Yeah, the flash bangs that
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: he threw. Oh okay, yes, I thought they were grenades too,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: And I thought, wait, why are they all flashing? I
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: was like, he's he throwing flash bangs. We don't have grenades.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: You guys are the fuck they? There was so much
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: military in this movie we had we needed an explosion.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: I feel like it would have ultimately made the ending
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: so much more impactful if a tank rolled up and
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: just fucking annihilated shit.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: One of my favorite parts with the end, though, dude,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: is with the gun fighting they're you're bare, they're not
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: aiming at all, and they're hitting everybody and the other
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: people are taking their time missing every shot. Like there's
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: not not even like a shoulder wound to any to
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: any of them. That's then, you know, except for you know, uh,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: what's his name falls into the pit? Oh yeah, but
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: like yeah, you know, like everybody else just like gip dodging,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: but like he's running with the girl while he likes
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: his gun in the background hits every single person.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: That's my favorite trope in action movies, when it's like
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: one on four guys all with automatic weapons and he
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: has a fucking semi automatic pistol. He's like done him out,
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Like it's my favorite. It's so unrealistic, but it was
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: fun to have that. Like I felt like we were
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: leading to like a big you know, just big wrap
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: up with all the with all that was happening towards
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: the end, and then it was just like whoa, oh,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: we save the day and we're gonna go off and
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: get married now because we're in love because you know,
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Mary could see. You know, Mary knew everything that uh
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: fucking Sam knew because she got connected after him, so
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: she knows that you know, he's in love with her
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: and blah blah blah, and then at the end it
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: just felt like, well this was was this just a
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: rom horror? Like a romance horror movie the whole time
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: they currently did they just.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: It's they tried to hit every single friggin' beat that
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: was like popular at the time. So it you know,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: it starts off strong like you said, and then it
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: did lull a little little bit, but then they pick
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: it back up and then dude, that's like total eighties
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: early nineties trope to have that like one last joke
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: right before the credits. Well, and I'm like, like you said,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: it was completely unnecessary because it's like nothing else in
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: this movie hit that beat, So you probably should have
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: just flipped that out real quick at the end and
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: rolled the credits quicker.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: I was really hoping that we'd the half of the
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: alien or something that had fallen after the helicopter see,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: just like limping towards something. And I don't know, I
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: just figured is it over? Because I love the cheesy
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: endings of sci fi movies of like the fifties and sixties.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: Is like the end question mark. I love that shit,
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: And even and I think that's why ultimately Invasion of
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: the Body Snatchers seventy eight version is definitely a stronger
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: film because obviously seventies everything was practical effects and the
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: ending is just so fucking it's bleak's. I know you
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: haven't seen this. I'm not gonna ruin it, but it's
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: got a great.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've seen the ending before. That's one
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: of those movies where too bad if I didn't want
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: to spoiler, because that exists.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah it's Donald Sutherland. Yeah it's yeah, it's so good.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: It's such a great bleak ending. And this one I
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: was I wasn't sure what we were gonna get. I
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: was I was hoping for a bleak ending, and of
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: course we'd just get a you go lucky jolly do
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: to do down the street. So you know, it's it's
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: not perfect, of course, but I still enjoyed it. I'm
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: going to reiterate the practical effects, these strong performances, the
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: fun stunt work, and there was enough paranoia fueled horror
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: to separate it from more generic alien invasion movies. It
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: didn't reach the level of the classics it's inspired by,
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: even though technically it came first in the novelization, but
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: like I feel it understands the assignment to a degree.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: It just tried to do too much. We're trying to
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: throw all these different things at the wall, and most
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: of them are falling down by the end. So I
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: think that is all I have on the Puppet Masters.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: You said you had the DVD.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: What'd you grab that from a yard sale?
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Okay? So how long have you had this?
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: I only it end of last summer.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, all right, So I got the because if
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: you would like to buy this physically, there is obviously
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: a DVD, as you mentioned, I bought the Keno Larber
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Classics version. It is an out of print title. It
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: ran me. I think it was like thirty five bucks.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: It wasn't terrible, but obviously more expensive than a traditional
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: Blu ray release from Keno, so it is a little
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: it's a little hard to attain. But I find it's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: funny that it's out of print. Obviously people bought the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: shit out of it and now it's out of print.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: It's not like something you can just go and grab,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: or maybe the slip is out of print. I don't know.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: I wanted the slip cover with it because all my
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: other keynotes have slipcovers, so maybe.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: The it's I'm pretty sure you're right, it's one of those.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: It's it's definitely harder to come by on both.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: You know, I need to I need to get at
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Keno Larber and ask them when is our puppet Master's
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: four K coming? Because the Blue.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Boll dude, yeah, you still have rights to it. It's
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: common because Keno's slowly been pretty much redoing most of
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: their titles. I mean, it's obviously it's going to take
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: a long time.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: I mean that's what shout Factory started doing. After a while,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, I've already bought all these
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: on Blu Ray. Can't just keep buying all these on
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: four K. But I would love a four Yeah, I'd
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: love a four K restoration of this. The Blue Ray
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: still look pretty good, but I think I think the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: four K would push it over the line of being
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: like very visually striking any final thoughts, closing arguments, questions,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: concerns on the puppet Masters.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Nah, really, I just want to point out the one
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: thing that I read in Reviewsky and a lot of
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: people said was that it felt like a made for
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: TV movie. I disagree. It felt like the episode of
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: a TV show. Yeah, have you ever seen Sliders before
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: with Jerry O'Connell. Oh my god, I think where they
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: jump through parallel universes.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, Jason has told me to watch that and I haven't,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: So now it's time. It's time, Jason. Don't be mad
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: at me.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I got to season. There's the weird Like, obviously they
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: didn't think that it was working anymore. They were trying
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: to do more character development and stuff, and that did
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: not so for me personally, no, it didn't. So I
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: kind of fell out of the show after I think
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: it was the third or fourth season. But the first,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: the first few seasons are solid. They're just so fucking
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: fun because like I love that shit. Yeah, like that
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: parallel universe where like you and I are doing this
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: exact same thing, but we look different, you know, all
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: that weird shit, you know, you know, in a parallel universe.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: Frightmar's podcast is the biggest podcast of all time, Like,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: you know that kind of shit. So, like I'm big
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: on time travel and all that stuff.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: Oh love time.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: That's the vibe that I got from this movie was
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: like just a really cool episode of really any early
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: nineties show with aliens and stuff. But it's not bad
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: to me because I love.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: I saw too. So I saw a lot of people saying,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: a man, this was the best yeah, or like this
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: was a classic X Files episode, or you know, I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: read a bunch of stuff like that. So yeah, I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: think that's all I've got. I mean, I definitely recommend
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: this one. It is a lot of fun and just no,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: because I have seen a lot of I have seen
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of reviews, oh this is just a ripoff
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: of Invasion of the body snatches. It's not. It really isn't.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: If anything, Invasion is a ripoff of this. But I mean,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: you know, I can't deny that almost every iteration of Invasion. Well,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen the fifty six.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: I did buy it, though it is on my shelf
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: to watch because I'm very excited.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: So the four K, there's a four K?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Did I miss the four K? I got that picture?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: I got the Keno Blu ray, I guess I missed
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: the four K. All right, Fuck now I'm gonna have
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: to upgrade. Oh no, But so yeah, when I watched
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: when I watched the original, then you got to watch
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: the seventy eight one, and we got I want to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: compare notes because I still haven't seen the original, but
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to the ratings here in just a second.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: So that is the Puppet Masters from nineteen ninety four.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: Let's move on to the final cut. I gotta scroll down. Here,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: here we go. Oh no, I gotta scroll up. I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: went too far. All right, So we have one tagline,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: and it's really not that great a discovery, more frightening
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: than anything on Earth because it didn't come from Earth.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: So there you go.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: It's fucking awful. Yeah.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: Two bits of trivia that really aren't that great. I mean,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: the first one's pretty fun. The Hive, or Central Intelligence Home,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: where everyone gathers to collect intelligence from their human hosts,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: was actually a set built on a Disney lot, while
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: the actual entrance of the nests was at the Los
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: Angeles County Center, with styrofoam walls built there to make
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: it look like it was taken over. So that's fun.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: And then when the slug is taken over a human body,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: they immediately want to merge with one another. The tentacles
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: form the shape of a human hand and interlock themselves
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: with the other slug and stand and transmit the information
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: from one host to another host to the central hive.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: More of just kind of a plot explanation. There goofs
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: nothing I could find because they were all really just boring.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: And this is where we get to the ratings. So
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: I will give you the ratings of all of the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: other Body Snatchers first, and then I'll give you these.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: I'm only gonna give you the letterbox ones. I don't
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: have time for IMDb. So the original Body Snatchers from
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: nineteen fifty six three point eight out of five, the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: remake nineteen seventy eight three point nine out of five,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: and even the Body Snatchers from ninety three has a
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: three point fucking three, all higher than this movie. So
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: our movie here is a five point nine out of ten,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: which equivalates to a two point nine to five out
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: of five on our scale for the Nightmare Index also
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: has a two point nine out of five on Letterbox,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: twenty nine percent on the Tomato Meter, and a thirty
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: percent audience score. Where does this land for you? What rating?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: I get a four, I'm on the fence of a
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: three point five and a four, and I don't I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: was feeling four the whole time until that ending. But
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: I'm like, do I let the ending bring me down
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: a half star because I really enjoyed the whole entire
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: ride up till then. I'm gonna settle on. I'm gonna
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: settle on a three five for now, but that could
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: obviously change with the rewatch. So that gives us a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: nightmare index of three point three four out of five,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: which means this is sitting. Ooh ooh, this is tied.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: Is that the bottom? Oh it's not okay, there we go.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: This is actually tied with Megan at a three point
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: three four out of five as well. I think this
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: is about number seventeen. For some reason, the numbers didn't
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: populate next to this like they should have. But it
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: is one, two three four five from the bottom, but
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: still a good rating, you know, like a three point
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: three four is much better than a two point nine,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Similar movies according to IMDb, You're gonna be shocked by
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: this Body Snatchers Virus puppet Master because it shares the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: same name Phantom and Eyes of a Stranger. That one's weird.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: Similar movies according to Letterbox, we have Skyline The Tomorrow War,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: a sequel I didn't know existed beyond Skyline District nine
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: and No One will save You? Do you? Okay? I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: told you to get funny reviews the one time. There's
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: like no reviews that are under four paragraphs. I think
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: I have two or three. This is like the least
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: amount I've come with, you know, come up with. But
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: everyone is just going on about this movie, like, I
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: The best one I got was wish this was the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: one with dolls?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Which this one the one with dolls? What what does
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: that mean? Like dolls the movie Stuart Stewart.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: No, No, like they like they wish that it was
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: puppet Master.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: See, I'm wow. All right, So I think I have
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: too that this is the best I could do because
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: everyone was writing paragraphs, which I you know, I can't
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: be mad at. But two stars from Whaleman, this is
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  Speaker 4: a pretty good piece of shit.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 4: This one's I really like this one three and a
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  Speaker 4: half stars from stuntman Dan. If alien beings ever show up,
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  Speaker 4: keep me the hell away from Keith David. That man
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: has abysmal luck dealing with them, and I have to
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  Speaker 4: I have to admit, you know, he kind of does
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  Speaker 4: between They Live the Thing and this movie. Wait, is
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  Speaker 4: Keith David in the Thing?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in the Thing.
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  Speaker 4: He's in the Thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Princess and the Frog they Live the Thing.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, it is Keith David. I can't remember who I'm
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: confusing him with. But there's a very there's another prominent,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: just big, bralic, black guy who I always get them
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  Speaker 4: confused because they're in so many movies in the eighties
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  Speaker 4: and nineties. But it is. Yes, it is Keith David.
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  Speaker 4: Love Keith David. So if you enjoy the show, out
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  Speaker 4: wait a second, plugs, plugs, get all your plugs out, man,
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  Speaker 4: It's time for you to tell everybody where they can
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  Speaker 4: find you if you can remember.
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  Speaker 3: I can never remember. I am on TikTok as hfk's
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  Speaker 3: Movie House. I'm on Instagram as HfK Horror Film Kid
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  Speaker 3: forty eight. I'm on YouTube as HfK forty eight. I
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  Speaker 3: need to stop changing my name between platforms.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: No, it keeps it, It keeps it interesting, keeps it spicy.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: People really got people really got a search for you,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: and I love that. If you enjoy the show, please no,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: it's terrible. It's terrible just to HF because then nobody can.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: You need a link tree. That's what you need, get
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  Speaker 4: a link tree.
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  Speaker 3: I do have a link tree, So if you go
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  Speaker 3: to my TikTok does a link tree, just fucking go there.
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  Speaker 4: if I can find you, because you probably will be
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  Speaker 4: high up on the people that have already watched this.
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  Speaker 4: You are ugh go to the movie. Go to the profile,
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  Speaker 4: you stupid bitch. It says you're just DF, but what's
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: your horror film? Kid forty eight is his actual handle,
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  Speaker 4: and he's just DF. You're just missing the tea in
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  Speaker 4: the middle there, Bud, That's all you're missing. DTF. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if anybody will get that joke, but one
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: person out there might be laughing. If you'd like to
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  Speaker 4: The Shameless Picture Show, The Dead Eyed Millennial Film Club,
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  Speaker 4: and one week rental as well, and speaking of one
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  Speaker 4: week rental, next week Matt from that show will actually
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: be joining me to do Nope from twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 4: as our modern pick. It is streaming on Peacock. I
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  Speaker 4: finally picked a movie that is actually available without renting
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  Speaker 4: applause Please thank you. I did it instead of picking
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  Speaker 4: movies that you only have to rent or own. So
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  Speaker 4: until next week, stay tuned and stay spooky spooky.
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