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Best of Ian Furness 10-12 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Your home for the 12th man in the NFL proudly
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  Speaker 1: here's Hugh with Ian Furness on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
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  Speaker 2: Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen. He's with us right now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he was on the morning show today, I assume,
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  Speaker 2: and I think probably doing a little more at four
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  Speaker 2: with Softie today. We are putting him to work, and
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  Speaker 2: you've got to work hard because you've got to break
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  Speaker 2: down what just happened yesterday, my friend. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of salty. Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame you. Everybody's salty right now, aren't they?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of the last weekend in a way, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think yesterday was particularly maddening.
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  Speaker 5: It was.
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned, you know, most of us, we can't even
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  Speaker 2: enjoy the Ducks losing because, you know, everyone else lost
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  Speaker 2: this weekend. I mean, Seahawks lose, Huskies lose, Cougs lose,
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  Speaker 2: Ducks lose. I guess Beaver fans might be happy. UCLA wins,
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  Speaker 2: their quarterback's out for the year, so they lose too.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's losing, but let's get to some Seahawks conversation.
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  Speaker 2: We just heard Mike McDonald's news conference, Hugh, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: get into the specifics. And coming up, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: in the next segment, I want you to, we got
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  Speaker 2: a little clip from Greg Cosell, your friend Greg Cosell,
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  Speaker 2: who I know you have great respect for. and he
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  Speaker 2: talked about Josh Jobe and Mike Evans in that matchup
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  Speaker 2: on Friday when we did the preview. Mike McDonald addressed
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  Speaker 2: it a minute ago because Mike Evans kind of went
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  Speaker 2: off a little bit on Josh Jobe, and we'll get
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  Speaker 2: to that in the second segment, but I want to
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  Speaker 2: get to the offense first. He mentioned, McDonald did, that, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's very similar in terms of turnovers to
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  Speaker 2: where we were last year, and he's right. Last year
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  Speaker 2: at this point through five games, they had eight turnovers, Hugh.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold had three interceptions, and they had lost five fumbles.
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  Speaker 2: This year through five games. They have nine turnovers, so
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  Speaker 2: one more. But Darnold has five interceptions. There's four fumbles,
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  Speaker 2: so there's one more. But Darnold obviously has played a
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  Speaker 2: lot less football through five games than he did a
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  Speaker 2: year ago. Let's get into specifics hardcore in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: but just in general sense, what do your eyes tell
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  Speaker 2: you about the turnover issues right now?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll start with the running game and the running
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  Speaker 3: backs in the two just immensely costly fumbles. Kenneth Walker
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  Speaker 3: In his career to date, has 1,148 carries and touches.
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  Speaker 3: That's 1,093 rush attempts and then another 155 catches. He
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  Speaker 3: has never lost a fumble. So now Seattle has 139
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  Speaker 3: rush attempts this year, and they are fumbling one in
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  Speaker 3: every 35. I can't give you K-9's number because he
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  Speaker 3: can't divide by zero, right? So all I can tell
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  Speaker 3: you is he's zero for 11-48. And, you know, so
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  Speaker 3: I would just start there. I would also say, let
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  Speaker 3: me just finish up or add something on the running backs.
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  Speaker 3: The wide zone that Seattle wants to major in schematically
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  Speaker 3: is Yesterday, 10 rushes, 21 yards, and exactly 20 success rates.
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  Speaker 3: So two out of 10, and we know the success
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  Speaker 3: rate formula, 40% of the first down yards, 60% of
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  Speaker 3: the needed second down yards, and all the needed third
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  Speaker 3: and fourth down. And so that's the formula for that.
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  Speaker 3: And when they go wide on all runs, the wide
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  Speaker 3: zone may end up wide and may go back up,
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  Speaker 3: but when they've done pin and poles and whatever, To
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  Speaker 3: get outside yesterday, in totality, their widest runs, 10 carries,
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  Speaker 3: 32 yards. So you're 3.2. But in the A and
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  Speaker 3: B gap, going right up Broadway, your 9 carries for
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  Speaker 3: 30 yards. Off tackle, your 4 carries for 10 yards, 2.5.
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  Speaker 3: So really, wherever you were, you're not being productive. But
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  Speaker 3: you're particularly not making the wide zone work. and you're
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  Speaker 3: laying the ball on the ground. And I would just
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  Speaker 3: conclude without having seen all other 31 teams, I can't
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  Speaker 3: believe that an objective analysis analysis wouldn't put Seattle right
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  Speaker 3: now as the, the worst running back room in, in
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  Speaker 3: the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: It's an interesting dynamic because, and this is why we
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  Speaker 2: do hardcore football. They're, they're, Per game average, Hugh, the
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  Speaker 2: per game average is seven yards less per game running
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  Speaker 2: the football than it was a year ago at this time.
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  Speaker 2: And just if you kind of look back, Charbonnet a
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  Speaker 2: year ago was averaging less than three yards a carry.
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  Speaker 2: K-9 was at 4.9. But this year, it looks so different.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's part of because what you just said.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing, too, is just to reference last year,
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  Speaker 2: the turnovers they had, the fumbles that they had lost
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  Speaker 2: a year ago. only one at this point of the
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  Speaker 2: five was by a running back.
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  Speaker 3: It was Helani.
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  Speaker 2: This year, all four fumbles lost are by running backs. Helani, Wilson,
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  Speaker 2: and Price. And Price.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so you've got to hold on to the football, Hugh,
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  Speaker 2: but the other part, as you mentioned, and let's just
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  Speaker 2: go back to what they want to do. If the
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  Speaker 2: raw numbers aren't that much different, the effectiveness must be, correct?
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  Speaker 3: Correct. Oh, yeah, and I think from a standpoint of
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  Speaker 3: the play action, if you have somebody who has a
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  Speaker 3: turbo button standing in the dot, and the dot is
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  Speaker 3: the term behind the quarterback for running back on those
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  Speaker 3: one-back sets, if that dude behind the dot has the
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  Speaker 3: turbo button, then now the defense has to flow harder.
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  Speaker 3: Jadarian Price, he's averaging 4.6 yards. yards per carry on
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  Speaker 3: the wide zone. That's a good sign. That tells you
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  Speaker 3: that help is in sight. And I'm not just citing
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  Speaker 3: the statistic. Our eyes have told you that he has
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  Speaker 3: a burst there. And that when he sees that he
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  Speaker 3: thinks there's an opportunity to capture the edge and hook
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  Speaker 3: the end man on the line of scrimmage so that
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  Speaker 3: the running back can get outside of that block, when
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  Speaker 3: he sees that, man, he goes crazy. Um, uh, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's like an electric car. If you've been in one
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  Speaker 3: of those fancy Teslas or whatever, like it throws your
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  Speaker 3: head back.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And so, um, uh, so I, I think that there
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  Speaker 3: that's good, but you know what? He, he was the
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  Speaker 3: third highest, had the third highest fumble rate in the
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  Speaker 3: draft class. So it was a bit of a concern
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  Speaker 3: coming in to, uh, his career. And then now he's
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  Speaker 3: forfeited it twice. We're not going to give up on him, obviously.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's too talented, and he paid a first-round
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  Speaker 3: draft pick, and away you go. But you just hope
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  Speaker 3: that he can learn the art of securing the football.
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  Speaker 3: But yesterday, that garbage that happened in the second quarter,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure Mike McDonald said, what are we, the New
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  Speaker 3: York Jets, the Cleveland Browns?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: That's playing football at the worst level you possibly can.
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  Speaker 3: And there's so much– bad going on there you know
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  Speaker 3: you you'd like to have your right guard help the
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  Speaker 3: center because all you're at that juncture all you want
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  Speaker 3: to do is prevent penetration you know now i think
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  Speaker 3: that they should have ran inside zone because the blocks
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  Speaker 3: are are more straight ahead and you're less likely to
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  Speaker 3: to get penetration i'm sure keifer would concur with that
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  Speaker 3: yep and so to me it's hey run three inside
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  Speaker 3: zones and get the hell out of there yeah um
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  Speaker 3: i understand why they didn't want to punt um They probably,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you run three inside zones, you're probably,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you probably average four seconds.
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  Speaker 4: And I.
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  Speaker 3: Understand they didn't want to punt out of the end
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  Speaker 3: zone because, you know, that goofy rule, the fair catch
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  Speaker 3: free field goal rule.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's the weirdest. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And if you catch them all at the 40 or. 45,
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  Speaker 2: it's a makeable field goal in today's NFL.
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  Speaker 3: And for those who are scratching their head going, what
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  Speaker 3: the heck is that? If you fair catch a punt
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  Speaker 3: at any time on the field, if you want, you
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  Speaker 3: can elect the next play to be a field goal attempt,
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  Speaker 3: and you get to do it without a field goal block.
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  Speaker 3: So the defense sets aside, and the offense, they're just
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  Speaker 3: looking like it's, you know, special team practice and training camp,
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  Speaker 3: they get to, uh, take as much time as they want.
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  Speaker 3: They spot the ball and you don't snap the ball there. No,
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  Speaker 3: you spot the ball there, which is what, so you're,
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  Speaker 3: you're gaining eight yards and then you can kick a
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  Speaker 3: field goal. Um, it's the damnedest rule. Uh, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: going to give any more details. If you're really curious,
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  Speaker 3: just Google it. But, um, but so you want to,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how often do we ever think about that rule?
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  Speaker 3: But But it crossed my mind because I've seen it.
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  Speaker 3: I knew it was in the rulebook having been a
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  Speaker 3: holder in special teams and we talk about it, but
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  Speaker 3: then I've seen it on Monday Night Football. It's happened.
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  Speaker 3: And so I get the urgency to not want to
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  Speaker 3: punt out of your end zone in that circumstance. But, man,
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  Speaker 3: running that wide zone and then– and in all zone blocking,
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  Speaker 3: there's an idea that you double-team at the defensive line level,
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  Speaker 3: and then eventually, based on the flow of the linebackers,
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  Speaker 3: then eventually a double... You know, if you and I
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  Speaker 3: are double teaming, there might be a drop here, but
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  Speaker 3: if you and I are double teaming, Ashley, are you
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  Speaker 3: being a good sport here? Always.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: As Bob Robertson would say, be a good sport, always
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  Speaker 2: be a good sport, be a good sport, always.
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  Speaker 3: All right, well, be a good sport, always, Ashley. So
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  Speaker 3: if Ian and I are double teaming you, our four
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  Speaker 3: eyes are to the next level. Let's say Jackson's the linebacker.
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  Speaker 3: We're looking and seeing a flow. But first of all,
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  Speaker 3: we have to make sure, Ashley, that you don't penetrate. Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, this is really taking a turn.
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  Speaker 3: Really taking a turn. Yeah, and for a midday show,
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  Speaker 3: no less. But there's an important sequencing about the priority.
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  Speaker 3: It's like when you're down in your goal line– Whatever
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  Speaker 3: you thought the sequence was and the concern about the linebacker. Now,
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  Speaker 3: if the linebacker wants to shoot a gap, obviously you've
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  Speaker 3: got to protect that. But as far as a linebacker flowing,
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  Speaker 3: that has a lower priority than initial defensive line penetration.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that when Mike McDonald steps to the
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  Speaker 3: podium there in the postgame and he says, we have
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  Speaker 3: to execute better in the run game, That's what he means.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it looked like man blocking. It looked like
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  Speaker 3: it was just Jalen Sandell. You got the nose tackle,
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  Speaker 3: and Christian Haynes, you're going to go run off to
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  Speaker 3: linebacker without even helping. And so it's just very poorly blocked.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a bad call. I think inside zone
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  Speaker 3: would have more than halved your opportunity for that to
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  Speaker 3: have happened. Maybe cut it by a quarter. And that
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  Speaker 3: would have been the safest play. And then you survive
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  Speaker 3: and take it to the locker room. But, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's angry. I'll just conclude. If you look at where
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  Speaker 3: the 49ers were at the end of the third quarter,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they had 159 total yards. Brock Purdy had
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  Speaker 3: a 68 passer rating. Let me say that again. Through
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  Speaker 3: three quarters.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: The defense was stoning the 49ers again. Yes. And what
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  Speaker 3: really angers me is Kyle Shanahan and his genius offense
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  Speaker 3: and Brock Purdy and his first quarter MVP status, they
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  Speaker 3: should have been over there in a state of shock
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  Speaker 3: and awe. about, oh, my God, this is happening again.
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  Speaker 3: There should have been a zero up there, and they're
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  Speaker 3: sitting there. The CF defense earned that right, and yet
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  Speaker 3: they could look up and go, hey, we got 21 points,
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  Speaker 3: and then they score one measly touchdown, and they damn
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  Speaker 3: near got 30 at that time. Now they're at 29 points.
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  Speaker 3: So you just never– Mike McDonald is, is said, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: we want to squeeze you like a boa constrictor. You know, the,
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  Speaker 3: the defense never got to enjoy the fruits of that squeeze.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the, the, the results of that squeeze because
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  Speaker 3: the energy changed. Now, as it turns out, uh, we'll
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  Speaker 3: never know because, um, per, uh, I think the, uh, the,
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  Speaker 3: the 49ers at 122 yards in the fourth quarter, I believe, um, So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just multiply that by four. You know, so
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  Speaker 3: whatever happened in the fourth quarter, after the interception, Purdy,
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  Speaker 3: or let me say before, Purdy's, before Purdy's interception, his
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  Speaker 3: passer rating and including that, it was a 57.6. From
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  Speaker 3: that point on, he goes 10 for 11, 100, opened
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  Speaker 3: up for the 49ers. And the fourth quarter, the 49ers
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  Speaker 3: played great offense. Mike Evans was unstoppable. And your defense
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  Speaker 3: couldn't stop a nosebleed. But all of that, the table
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  Speaker 3: was set by the offense and their damn turnovers. And
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  Speaker 3: so when I say it's angry and it is, I
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  Speaker 3: can't wait for Tuesday because I'm going to have to
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  Speaker 3: put myself in a fan 24-hour rule.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me just do this. I mean, to Hugh's point,
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  Speaker 2: at halftime, At halftime, the 49ers had 126 yards of offense.
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  Speaker 2: Purdy had thrown for 81 yards. McCaffrey had run for 34.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. But they had 21 on the board because
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  Speaker 2: of the turnovers that Hugh just mentioned, all 21 coming
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  Speaker 2: off the turnovers at that point. Let me take an
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  Speaker 2: early break here because I want to come back. Two
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  Speaker 2: more things I want to get to. The passing game
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  Speaker 2: and Sam Darnold-Hugh. We'll get to QB1 on that. and
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  Speaker 2: ask about a couple of the interceptions. I'm really curious
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  Speaker 2: about the one that he was throwing to Arroyo, because
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about these types of plays before. I'm wondering
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  Speaker 2: if the route was too flat, if we've talked about that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to that in the next segment. And then
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  Speaker 2: the last segment, we'll get a little bit into the,
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  Speaker 2: you just mentioned it, Mike Evans, and what that offense
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  Speaker 2: got going. We'll talk about all that. So we'll get
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  Speaker 2: all that in, in the final 40 minutes with Hugh
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  Speaker 2: Millen next.
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  Speaker 1: On sports radio 93.3 kjr fm all right hardcore football
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  Speaker 1: continues hugh millen uh hugh sam donald yesterday 18 to
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  Speaker 1: 29 195 yards a touchdown that was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: jsn run after the catch and two interceptions uh this
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  Speaker 1: season it has been a struggle for sam donald overall
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that uh since coming back from
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  Speaker 1: an injury he has thrown this year uh seven touchdowns,
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  Speaker 1: and has been intercepted five times.
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  Speaker 2: Not all interceptions are created equal. Not all are on
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback. Sometimes they're on the route. Sometimes that's why
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  Speaker 2: we have hardcore football. I specifically am just curious about
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  Speaker 2: the one that he threw is targeting Arroyo, who has
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  Speaker 2: one catch all year. That's a whole different set of circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: But on that particular one, what did you see?
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  Speaker 3: On Arroyo, he is running a deep over route. And that,
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  Speaker 3: that's just a, you know, you have crossing routes and
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  Speaker 3: you have what's called a shallow cross. And that's going
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  Speaker 3: to generally be, let's say a Royal lines up on
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  Speaker 3: the right. We see this from wide receivers, tight ends.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if it's, it's approximately five yards or left,
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  Speaker 3: we call that a shallow cross. If we're in the
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  Speaker 3: 10 to 12 yard range, most people call that an
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  Speaker 3: over route, not to be confused with an over front.
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  Speaker 3: Those are totally different, but the over route. And then,
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  Speaker 3: and then when you get the deep over, or the
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  Speaker 3: deep angle cross, as some of the West Coast guys
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  Speaker 3: call it. Some people call it a race route, but
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  Speaker 3: it's a deep crossing route. And what I didn't like
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  Speaker 3: about it, Ian, is that the Seahawks, they did it
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  Speaker 3: from a two-by-two formation ultimately after the motion. And there's
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  Speaker 3: two tight ends to Darnold's right. And you have Arroyo
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  Speaker 3: as the wing. And in essence, in that defense, when
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  Speaker 3: you have a zone coverage, the 49ers are playing a three-deep,
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  Speaker 3: four-under zone, then Arroyo is number one. Well, the corner
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  Speaker 3: on that side then is going to run with him.
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  Speaker 3: And so they're playing zone with the shallow guys, but
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  Speaker 3: one of the weaknesses of cover three is the deep
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  Speaker 3: crossing route. Because the backside hook defender– so if I'm
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  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, I'm looking at the underneath coverage like a
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  Speaker 3: baseball infield. I've got Arroyo over by first base. He's
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  Speaker 3: going to run a route over to left center. Got me?
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  Speaker 3: Left center field into that gap. Now, obviously, the scale
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  Speaker 3: is different, but I'm just trying to create an image
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  Speaker 3: for you. The weakness of that defense is– that the
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  Speaker 3: shortstop who's usually a hook zone defender, a linebacker type,
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  Speaker 3: he has to be the one that gets underneath that.
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  Speaker 3: So what defenses have done is they said, Hey, if
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  Speaker 3: number one runs that deep angle cross corner, you chase him.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody else is playing zone. And so if they had
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  Speaker 3: run that same concept, let's say the wing and the
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  Speaker 3: tight end did the exact same thing, but structurally they
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  Speaker 3: put a wide receiver out at Z to have the
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  Speaker 3: corner cover him. Now Arroyo would just be beating a
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  Speaker 3: zone coverage and getting into that same window. It would
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  Speaker 3: be identical in terms of how he spreads the window,
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  Speaker 3: and yet he wouldn't have a corner chasing him. And
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  Speaker 3: so so when you're Darnold, you come back and Arroyo,
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  Speaker 3: he he one thing he did is he stuck the
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  Speaker 3: route where you were your angle. OK, I think if
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  Speaker 3: we're going to if we're going to graduate to the
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  Speaker 3: next level of of hardcore football, we should understand the
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  Speaker 3: following terms when when we talk about. uh receivers going
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: to the post we have to know the difference between
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: a skinny angle and a flat angle because on slant
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: routes and post routes and these deep crossing routes that's
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: the terminology okay you know obviously you can say keep
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: it thin but but skinny means it's closer to going
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: on a go route like yeah you're breaking towards the
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: middle but you're barely breaking it's almost like a go route.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: That's a skinny angle.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: When you do a flat angle, that's more like an
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: in-breaking route where you would go parallel to the line
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage.
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: So the closer you get to parallel to the line
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage, that's a flat angle. The closer you get
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: to perpendicular to the line of scrimmage, that's a skinny angle.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Got me? Mm-hmm. So the way you would teach this
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: is Arroyo, hey, initially take a skinny angle. Right. And
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: then there's a point where you stick the route and
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: you get a little bit flatter. And that helps in
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: man coverage because the defender is mirroring the initial skinny angle.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Then when you break it flat, he has to respond
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: as he's running full speed. You know, just neurologically, you
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: can't entirely mirror immediately. So there's a little moment where
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: you get separation. And so we saw that. He did
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: the best he could, but he's a cornerback. Like, as
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: fast as Arroyo is, the corner's faster.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Right, right. I'm watching it right now, yeah. I'm watching
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the Enzo copy, yeah.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: So he's racing to get underneath it, and there's one
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: of two ways you've got to beat the corner. So
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: this is a speed mismatch, right, in terms of San Francisco.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: With the corner. So now you say, okay, well, what
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: does Arroyo has? He has a size mismatch. So you're
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: going to take advantage of that one of two ways.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: You either tell Arroyo to go flatter so you cut
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: off so that the corner doesn't undercut the route.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Or, and I asked Darnold in the postgame, you know, hey,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: was there any confusion about the route angle? Like, were
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: you expecting Arroyo to go flatter so you could just
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: stick it on him? Meaning... do a line drive, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: then Arroyo, by going flatter, would shield the defender. Does
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: that make sense?
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: And Darnold said, nope. We had talked this week that
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: we want to take the high angle. So they were
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: trying to get the bigger play. When you choose to
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: take that higher angle, it's a more difficult throw, but
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: it's a higher chance for a really big play. So
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: that's the tradeoff. That's what they had decided. And Darnold,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: to his credit, said I needed to throw it with
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: more touch over the top.
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: But that is a big ask.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, even if he throws it over the top,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: there's a safety's coming down, too.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Safety's coming, yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Like, there's a safety right there. That thing had no
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: chance at all, did it?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if it was just lofted 10 degrees more,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, the precision that you're asking, and you raise
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: an excellent point. I've watched the tape. I thought about, hey,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: is a corner or a safety going to come out
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: of the roof if he puts more loft on the ball?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: And the answer is there's a concern there. So I'm
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: just telling you that the degree of difficulty that he's
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: attempting on that throw is extremely high.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I just froze it. Even if he does what you
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: said and touch a little touch over the corner, the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: safety is right there.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Goldilocks and the Ports.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe a Tony Gonzalez in his prime
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: can go up and beat two guys.
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: Maybe.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Look, if we went through the entire history or just
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: the century history of the throws on that particular route,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: it gets completed. But I'm just telling you, it's a
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: very difficult throw.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Was he late at all in the throw, Hugh?
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: No.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Um, maybe a tad.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: There's separation. There's separation as, you know, as he's throwing
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: their separation, but like, but again, that's, again, we're talking
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: about precision. That's just, yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the, one of the hardest things
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, when you've got zone coverage and you're
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: running crossing routes, that means your, your, your target is
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: going just through window after window after window. And, and,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: and so you got to, It's not just, okay, is
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: my timing beating the corner who's trailing the play? It's, okay,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: does that sync out with where the windows are in
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the underneath four guys, right? And so when you just
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: add up all the factors, as we've acknowledged, Goldilocks and
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: the Ports, you can't throw it on a line drive,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: which he did. But you can't put too much touch
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: on it because then the safety is going to come
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: down and make a play. So it's got to be
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: the exquisite right amount of trajectory. You could almost just say, well,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: that was first and 10, right? Yep. It's not worth it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I think it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Was second and eight. It was second and eight, maybe?
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Second and eight. Oh, no, you're right. It was second
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: and eight. It was second and eight. I'm sorry. It
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: was second and eight. There again, the burden of the
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: running game. Yeah. Putting you in a situation, undoubtedly... Um,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: and by the way, how bad were the Seahawks on
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: first down?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Oh God.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Running the ball. How many times do we face second
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: and eight and second and nine? And so, yeah, it
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: was second eight. And so, so now he probably feels
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a need to, you know, to
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: go big game hunting a little bit down the field. And, and, uh,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: you know, I, I'm not going to absolve him. You
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: would still put a double minus on his sheet because
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: you're a professional quarterback. You can't, throw that interception.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Simple as that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: But, um, but I would, I would also say to
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Brian Flory, like, why, why can't we meet in trips?
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Right wing, have a Z out there and hold the court.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: And then now we're just, we're just, uh, we're, we're
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: going to still unlikely and all likely to get that
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: cover three. And then we, we just have, we just
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: have to worry about a Royal, you know, getting through
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: the zone.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: And, um, as opposed to getting through the zone, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: beating a corner. I don't know. I hope we've described
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: it well enough to say that's a really hard damn
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: play for an, even for a top flight NFL quarterback.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I just, I'm just, I mean, watch it again, guys.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's the, I don't know.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: It's just, yeah.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Like I think Hugh did a great job of explaining
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: just the concepts and what it would have taken to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: make it happen. It's just, it's all right. Let me
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: do this to get a quick break. Come back. I, I,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Job jail was anything but that. The jail was open.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: You could just leave freely yesterday, if you like, if
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: your name was Mike Evans. Get out of jail free card.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: We'll touch in on that when we come back.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: Matchup.
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: Because Evans is their boundary X. Job's the boundary corner
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: for Seattle. And he's a very good player. But every
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: once in a while, he'll get beat. You know, that's safe.
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: It's the NFL. Corners get beat. You know, it's the
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: way it works. But that's a matchup to look at.
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: You know, that will happen in the game. Evans versus Job, one-on-one.
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: And as we know, Purdy is better than ever, believe
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: it or not. A friend of mine who works for
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: NextGen sent me a whole bunch of stats about Purdy
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: throwing the ball between the numbers. It's the best he's
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: ever been. So, you know, he is really, really good
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: doing that. Obviously, the Seahawks will know that. And they
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: know that that's a major foundation of the 49ers pass game. And,
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: you know, you have to defend that because Purdy's going
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: to throw, you know, Purdy in his own way, By
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: the way, I'm so tired of the word system quarterback,
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: but Purdy in his own way has a little bit
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: of a gunslinger attitude. He's going to turn it loose now.
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: He is not afraid to make tough throws into tight windows.
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: I'm assuming you're talking about with number five yesterday. I
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: can tell you there's reasons why we were in certain
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: coverages when he did catch the ball. Sometimes you're right
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: on why you're in those coverages and sometimes you're not.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: When you Double a guy, it takes away from other areas.
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: And just because he catches the ball doesn't mean that
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: you don't have two people allocated to him. So I
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: understand it's probably frustrating to see that. And frankly, it's
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: a fair criticism.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: That's Mike McDonald. Before that, Greg Cosell talking about the
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Job Evans matchup yesterday, which Evans seven catches on 10 targets,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: 113 yards. and a touchdown as far as other receivers,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Debo Samuel sort of receiver had two catches for 21
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: and Brandon cooks one for seven. That of course was
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: the touchdown plus a two point conversion. Hugh, a lot
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: of people screaming and yelling. The question was asked to
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald today. Why did Job not get help against
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Mike Evans? And that's just kind of not what they do, right?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, I mean, they're, they're capable of double teaming him.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: It's just the resources you want to give and, and, and,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Double teaming doesn't necessarily mean, well, everybody's going to play man-to-man,
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: but instead of having a low hole player, we'll have
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: a post safety, and then the low hole player will
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: have two guys on Mike Evans. Now, there's a bracketing,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: and teams will do that, but the Seahawks going into
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: the game were number one in the NFL in use
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: of zone, just under 91%, highest rate of zone. which
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I always respect teams. I'm not fond of one or
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: the other, but teams that do play that much zone
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: and play it well, it takes more cohesion, and you
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: have to be tied to the string better. If you're
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: just playing man-to-man, obviously everybody has to win or not
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: get beat in man-to-man. But the one way when he's
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: the outside receiver now of his seven catches, he was
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: in the slot for two of them. He was the
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: outside receiver. So you can, you can roll the coverage and,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: and roll is a term, a specific term that speaks
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: to zone coverage. That is different than press. Now, if
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: you're at the game, sometimes it can be hard to
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: discern between press coverage, which is a synonym for man-to-man.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Press is a man term. Roll is a zone term.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: When you roll the coverage, that's a corner down and
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: the safety over the top. And that would be a
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: way that you double cover in zone. And, you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: they did that, and there's still routes that you, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: a slant, for example, still can beat that. When he
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: was in the slot, he had a bender in between the,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the two safeties for 15 yards. He had an in-breaking
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: route on a dagger for 23 yards. So, again, his
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: in-breaking routes, he had five. His out-breaking routes was one,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and his vertical routes was one of his seven catches.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: So it mirrors with Brock Purdy's strength, which is between
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: the numbers on Friday. I was saying, hey, if you
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: take Matthew Stafford's 30 or 50 best plays, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: There's going to be a big portion of them are
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: going to be in the middle, and there's going to
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: be a big portion to the sideline, deep outs and
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: corner outs, and he's just rocketing the ball to the outside.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: With Brock Purdy, his best plays are almost all between
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: the numbers, all over the middle of the field. And
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: so now they bring in a big body, and then
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: they're able to align him to the outside and break
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: him into the middle of the field. And he's just
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: got a high IQ. He's JSN-like in terms of his
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: understanding of zone and how to sit down and what
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: have you. I think that he's one of the best
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: pickups in all of the offseason. That was an incredibly
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: great acquisition. I mean, you take Mike Evans off the
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: 49ers yesterday. I'll take it to my grave. Seattle wins
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: that game. Oh, yeah, 100%. Which is not a profound statement.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I think we all observe that. So I don't want
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: to make... like I found some lock to some key.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: It was very evident to all of us. I mean,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: he's sensational. But I'm trying to take, you know, Purdy
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: has physical shortcomings. He does not throw the ball hard.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: But he moves around. There's some elements of his game
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: in terms of awareness that somewhat resemble Pat Mahomes. Pat
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Mahomes only ran a 4.8 at the Combine. He's not
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: a blazer, but he's just very adept at how to use–
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: he's wiggly and what have you. I'm not going to
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: say Purdy's at the level of Mahomes, but I think
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: stylistically some of Purdy's game is like Mahomes. Now, Mahomes
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: has a hand cannon and a vastly stronger arm, but Purdy–
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: is better at anticipation. Want to know why? Because he
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: has to be because he doesn't have the velocity. And
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: so nobody is as good or better than Brock Purdy.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Brock Purdy is number one in the NFL in anticipation.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: And he sees those windows. He throws it early despite
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: his lollipop arm, and he creates a lot of plays.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And you know what?
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Emotionally, if he did a Myers-Briggs or whatever, to the
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: extent that the NFL tried to scout his– His personality,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess they got it wrong because he
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: was the Mr. Irrelevant. But at some point, maybe it
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: could have been discovered, hey, this guy has guts. Kyle
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Shanahan has stood at a press box. You can YouTube it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: And when asked about Purdy, he has said, look, I
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: do not want a game manager. If he was a
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: game manager, then he's not my quarterback. I want a
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: guy that has the guts to throw the ball down
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the field. Remember now, he replaced Trey Lance. The 49ers
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: spent three number ones to get a guy that has
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: all the physical traits, you know, 6'4, can run like
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the wind, strong arm, what have you. And so now
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: you can't have a more disparate physical group than him.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, hell, even Rourke. Curtis Rourke, their third stringer
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: who dressed the, it was so funny watching them in
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: warmups because you had the left to right. You had
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: the number one quarterback in Purdy. And then you had
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Mack Jones, um, net five yards away from him and
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: then Rourke and, and, you know, just watching them like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: like Purdy was the smallest and the weakest arm. And then,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and then Mack Jones was noticeably taller and a stronger
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: arm than that. And then Curtis Rook was noticeably taller
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: and a stronger arm than him. And if you were,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: if you just, if I just dropped you from a
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: helicopter and he said, Hey, Hey, those are lined up
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: in order from one to three. Well, you know, if
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: you woke up from a coma and you didn't know
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Brock Purdy, you said, well, you'd say the guy on
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: the right is the number one. And the guy in
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: the middle is the number two. And the guy on
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: the left is the number three. Well, it would have
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: been asked backwards. You know, it would have, it was
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: three to one, not one, two, three. So, so, um, So, yes,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Mike Evans' ability. Now, the one time, you know, and
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I've said it many times, I wouldn't trade Mike McDonald
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: for any coach in the NFL. I love the guy.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I love his personality. I love his vision of football.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I love how he teaches. I love how he knows exactly,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: you know, like Einstein said, you know, be as complicated
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: as you need to be and know more. I mean,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I could go on and on, and I think that
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: most of our listeners share that opinion. But I did
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: not like that third down. And, oh, gosh, do you
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: have it? What was the completion up the sideline against
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Job to Mike Evans?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Well, there was, like, multiple. Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: That's why we're discussing it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: His last catch was 28 yards. Okay. 28 yards. I
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: know it was a long yardage situation.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, because they had the penalty, right?
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Or the sack? Was it the sack? Yeah. And I
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: was just like, oh, please cloud this guy. Because you
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: could just see Purdy was just heating up. I mean,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: here Purdy, did we say it earlier? His passer rating
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: had been down at 58, under 58 at the pick.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: And then from that point, he was 138 passer rating.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: He was really heating up. And the pressure rating, and
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: this was significant, prior to the interception, the Seahawks had
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: pressure on, on Purdy at 52.4% of his dropbacks. After that,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: they were 15.4%. They went from better than one out
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: of two to one out of seven.
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: So, so Seattle, you know, they're a little bit long
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: in the tooth. Some of those, the defensive linemen, you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: the Jaron reads the Leonard Williams, you know, the new Osus, the, the, uh,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: DeMarcus Lawrence, the Fowlers. And, you know, look, I'm, I'm
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: searching for answers and I'm wondering like, are these old
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: guys getting tired in the fourth quarter? Cause this is
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: not the first time we've seen this.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And you know, would it be nice to have a
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: young boy mafia coming off the edge, you know, just a,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: a pass rush specialist on third down, you know, just
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: a young dude, just with his ass on fire, you know, like, like,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: like I feel like maybe they're missing that one guy
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: with some juice off the edge. Uh, but this, you know, to,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: to watch that pass rush, uh, diminish the way it
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: did again, not the first time. So you're, you've got
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: a heating up Brock Purdy. You got his cohesion with
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Mike Evans is, you know, it's like next level right now.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: And then we decide not to cloud him. And, and,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: and we, you know, it's credit the 49ers. They go
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: trips left to the field. They put him on the boundary,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Mike Evans on the boundary and Job had defended that
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: well in the first quarter. But now they're heating up.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: It's like the two-guard that clanked it off the rim
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: in the first quarter, and now he's hitting nothing but net.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: And so you better decide how you can defend the
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: guy because he's hot.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: And that's what happened. And, man, that pissed me off. Yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: To let yourself out of that situation.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I'm visualizing that play again. Yeah, I think they were
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: in a great situation at that point. And then, boom,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: right down that sideline. All right. More at four today
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: with Softee. Is that right?
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: It is, yes.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: More at four, I believe so, yes. Seahawks and maybe
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: a little Huskies mixed in. It sounds like DeMond did
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: not practice today. And we'll see what happens on Friday
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: against Purdue, which just beat the team to beat you
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: here in Minnesota the other day. So lots going on
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: in the world of college football, NFL football, and so
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: much more.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Hugh, thanks.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: As always, great stuff. We'll talk to you next week.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you bet.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: That's Hugh Millen. Great stuff, as always, with Hugh Millen.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: We'll take a break. Mike Sando from The Athletic, his
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: weekly tour around the NFL. The Pick 6 column is
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: coming up next.
• 38:50
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• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando with The Athletic.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Nfl senior writer uh we love having him on every
• 39:13
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• 39:18
  Speaker 2: column at the athletic the athletic.com so much to discuss
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: got a big monday night game tonight got last night's
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: yesterday's action all the stuff that went on hello mike
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: how are you good how's it going not bad not
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: bad a lot of nfl to discuss. Hey, real quick,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I want to get to this real fast. You are
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: one of the, and I say this in all sincerity,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: one of the esteemed former writers of the Tacoma News Tribune,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: which it's remarkable. That newspaper produced such great journalism, sports
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: journalism specifically, I'm talking about over the years. People like yourself,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the late professor John Clayton, Bart Wright, Dave Bolling, I
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: go on and on forever. And Greg Bell, kind of
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the last of the group laid off with the changes
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: that we have in the newspaper business. Just a quick
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: thought from you, because I know it's probably got to
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: be disappointing seeing your former employer do what they're doing
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 40:07
  Speaker 11: I think that this is one of those situations where
• 40:09
  Speaker 11: they're just, they cut the expenses faster than the revenue
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: falls and squeeze it all out to kill it. It's
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: not a, hey, we're really trying to make a go
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: of this. That's my impression. So Um, you know, it's not,
• 40:21
  Speaker 11: to me, it's not just the realities of news business.
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: It's also, I mean, it is a reality of it,
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: but I don't think that it's necessarily in the best
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: faith what's going on. So, um, that's my two cents
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: on that from the editorial page. If they had one,
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: that would be on the editorial page. Um, and, uh,
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: it is a tough thing to see. Now we're also
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: in a, you know, a disruptive time in the industry
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: and it's revolutionary and things are changing. So that's part
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: of it too. And things haven't just totally shaken out.
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: So I'm not blind to that. a lot of great
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: memories there, you know? Um, uh, and every time I'm,
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: you know, every time I see the old building that
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: used to be there, you know, they used to have
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: a massive, wonderful building over there, uh, you know, off
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: of 19th and Tacoma. And there was Dale Chihuly glass
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: sculptures in there. And it was, it was awesome to
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: walk in. There was impressive. And, you know, that whole
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: building was raised, uh, smashed down on even, it's like
• 41:14
  Speaker 11: a warehouse or something. I don't even know if they
• 41:15
  Speaker 11: have an office, you know, it's just really, uh, it's really,
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: you know, I, You wouldn't even know it's here. You
• 41:23
  Speaker 11: wouldn't know that the News Tribune exists.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: It's sad. I'll just I'll leave it with this. The
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: legacy that is left behind is immense. What you and
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: others built and did down there. It really is remarkable.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I've worked in. Two other big markets or decent-sized markets
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: in Salt Lake and Portland. And those places have some
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: terrific newspapers as well. The Salt Lake Tribune, Deseret News,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the Oregonian, and they're all kind of going and falling
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: by the wayside in one way, shape, or form. But
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: what you guys did there was, I would just say, special.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure you guys are all proud of the legacy, unfortunately,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: that's been left behind. All right, NFL news. First, just
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: your impressions on 49ers Seahawks yesterday.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's pretty much been the Seahawks MO play
• 42:06
  Speaker 11: really good defense and then make enough bad plays on offense,
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: including careless plays in the absence of any explosiveness in
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: the run game to make it closer than it should
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: be and even lose. So to me, this is a
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: little bit of a repeat of the Washington game. It's
• 42:24
  Speaker 11: a repeat of certain stages of the, of the charger game,
• 42:27
  Speaker 11: even though they were way ahead, it ended up being closer.
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: And then in this one here, I mean, the play
• 42:34
  Speaker 11: before half just kind of sums it up. It's just,
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: it's a kind of an unforced error. So, you know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: I think they're going to be, I think that they
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: will be okay. But I don't think that this is
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: sustainable in terms of sticking with the same quarterback, this
• 42:53
  Speaker 11: sort of thing forever. Like you can't have these sorts
• 42:55
  Speaker 11: of things go on forever. It's not fair to the rest.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Of the team.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Quarterback as in Sam Darnold?
• 43:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think if you just keep coming out and
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: throw interceptions on the first play of the game and
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: have multiple turnovers, I don't think that that's a good
• 43:12
  Speaker 11: thing to let that go. Now, I'm not saying I
• 43:13
  Speaker 11: would make a change right now, but I think you
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: have to believe in accountability with your team. And so
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: they know better than I do what's behind all the
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: mistakes and all of that. But it seems to me
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: you come out for the first play of the game,
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: most guys are just running totally wrong routes.
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: That can't be.
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: That can't be a normal thing. Pick sixes, you know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: that sort of stuff just can't be normal. Now, it
• 43:36
  Speaker 11: may just be resolved when they get the running back
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: situation squared away.
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: I think that's really, really hurting them. And, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: that's killing them.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: It's remarkable, too. You wrote about today, the 49ers had
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: an EPA expected. I mean, we talked about this a while,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: expected points added. They had a negative EPA, like in
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: some ways didn't have any business for a long time
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: winning that football game, right?
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: Well, they're double digits worse than average in, on, uh,
• 44:06
  Speaker 11: on offense and special teams, even though Purdy had a
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: couple of nice drives late, you know, their offense didn't
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: do anything. And so Seattle is really in a position
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: now where a lot of their, uh, you know, their
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: opponents are scoring on real easy drives and give me touchdowns,
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: you know, recovering a fumble in the end zone, like
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: yesterday or a pick six. And it's really skewing, um,
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: it's letting these teams score 30 points without having their
• 44:31
  Speaker 11: way at all against the Seattle defense.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: What about Minnesota? Undefeated. Who saw that coming, Mike? Who
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: saw that coming with the Minnesota Vikings?
• 44:40
  Speaker 11: Not at all, but they're so extreme on defense. They've
• 44:43
  Speaker 11: been living this thing that Seattle's in right now for years.
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: Whenever they win, it's almost always defense-driven. The only way
• 44:53
  Speaker 11: they really lose is when the offense is so bad
• 44:56
  Speaker 11: that they can't overcome it.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: So, um, this is a.
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: Three year issue probably.
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: Uh, and if they didn't have that defense, man, it
• 45:03
  Speaker 11: would be a real ugly situation there. And it would,
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: it would highlight more of the issues they've had in
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: finding the quarterback and getting that settled down.
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: I think it's still going to hurt them.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: In the end.
• 45:13
  Speaker 11: You know, I don't think they can necessarily advance much
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: in the playoffs, but, uh, you know, more power to them, uh, defensively, uh,
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: They're going to be probably in most of these games
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: with a great chance to win.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: What's the fallout? What are you hearing about the Washington
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Commanders and Dan Quinn and clock management at the end
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: of that game yesterday that resulted in a tie, which
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: never should have been a tie. It could have been
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: a tie if you missed the field goal, but that
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: should never have happened.
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a complete failure that will fall on the
• 45:44
  Speaker 11: head coach. I think that it could be hard for
• 45:47
  Speaker 11: him to recover from this in the absence of, you know,
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: a nice run second half of the year, they really
• 45:53
  Speaker 11: get it going and win. Shoot, just a couple of
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: weeks ago, they were beating Seattle, feeling pretty good about themselves.
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: So things can turn quick in the league. And that's
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: possible that, you know, with Jaden Daniels as a talent,
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: it's possible that they still rally. But I think there's,
• 46:05
  Speaker 11: it's a, it's a major strike and a half against
• 46:07
  Speaker 11: the head coach. And he's had a couple of strikes already,
• 46:09
  Speaker 11: you know, in the past, just the way certain things
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: played out. I mean, he's, he's, he's been forced to,
• 46:15
  Speaker 11: or had to, or did to, you know, get rid
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: of multiple coordinators. I think that's usually a sign of some,
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: some trouble or distress. I think there was some implication.
• 46:25
  Speaker 11: It really didn't, you know, remember when Jay Daniels got
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: hurt the first time, Hey, should have Dan Quinn had
• 46:30
  Speaker 11: him out of the game earlier.
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: I don't think that's true, but those.
• 46:33
  Speaker 11: Are the types of things that sort of pile up
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: and accumulate on the coach's record that make it hard
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: to recover from. And I think this was by far
• 46:42
  Speaker 11: the biggest one and probably the biggest one for any
• 46:44
  Speaker 11: coach this season.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Clock management is a big topic always in football, not
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: just NFL college as well, as you know. And I
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: know you talk to a lot of executives around the league.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: For folks who missed it yesterday, the end of the
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia-Jacksonville game was wild. I mean, it featured a long
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: kickoff return and a 57-yard field goal with a backup
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: long snapper defensive tackle snapping the ball, which... earlier had
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: been a huge issue and the regular long snapper got hurt.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: But it goes further than that, right? Because it really
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: should never have got to the point where Philadelphia gave
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the ball back to Jacksonville, right? I mean, that's also,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: we start talking about the head coach, that's also an
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: egregious error.
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: It is.
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: I don't think it's nearly as bad as the Washington one.
• 47:26
  Speaker 11: You know, they ran out of bounds trying to get
• 47:29
  Speaker 11: closer for their field goal. So they had a seven-yard
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: gain on a pass play that got got it to
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: where it was a 48-yard field goal instead of, let's
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: just say, a 54 or 55. So you need to
• 47:40
  Speaker 11: get those yards, but when you do that, you take
• 47:42
  Speaker 11: a chance. They're throwing the ball to a rookie receiver.
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: He gets knocked out of bounds trying to get more yards,
• 47:47
  Speaker 11: and it ended up a safe timeout for Jacksonville, and
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: the Eagles were in a lesser position to run more
• 47:54
  Speaker 11: time off the clock. Even then, I mean, they're kicking
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: off with eight seconds left, very much like Dallas was
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: a few weeks ago. The big difference was Jacksonville had
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: no timeouts, so I didn't really have a problem with them.
• 48:06
  Speaker 11: No matter what you did, you touch it back, you
• 48:08
  Speaker 11: let them return it. I didn't think either one of
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: those was necessarily a terrible decision. It was very unlucky,
• 48:14
  Speaker 11: I think, to have Jacksonville get a 53-yard return. and
• 48:18
  Speaker 11: then get tackled just in time to have one second left.
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: Jacksonville was trying to act like that was a plan,
• 48:23
  Speaker 11: but this guy wasn't even trying to get down.
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: No, he was trying to go all the way.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: No, like he, like I did.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: The kick return was like, oh yeah, I was, I
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: was watching the class counting in my head. I think
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: is what he said, right? I'm counting in my head. No,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: you're not. While you're returning a kick, stop it. Like
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: maybe you saw the clock.
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: You think you're practicing that?
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:38
  Speaker 11: You think you're practicing that at full speed and getting
• 48:40
  Speaker 11: tackled at the right time? I mean, he didn't even
• 48:42
  Speaker 11: try to go down. So, It ended up being pretty lucky,
• 48:45
  Speaker 11: I think, that Jacksonville won. Worst case scenario for Philly.
• 48:47
  Speaker 11: And I think in this case, Nick Sirianni steps up
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: and really takes the blame to maybe help his team
• 48:55
  Speaker 11: psychologically after a tough loss and just take the pressure
• 48:57
  Speaker 11: off of them a little bit.
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: I don't think that.
• 48:59
  Speaker 11: His management late in the game was nearly as bad
• 49:02
  Speaker 11: as Washington at all.
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: I think it was much more debatable.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Someone's got to win the NFC East, don't they? I mean,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: the Giants are 3-1-1, but everyone else is below.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: 500.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Dallas is 2-3, and Phillies now 2-3, Washington 1-3-1. Yet
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the Giants, I don't know how sustainable their their mark
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: is with, you know, a backup quarterback with a Jamison
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: there right now. I think, but someone's, but someone's got
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: to win that division, right?
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: Philly still could.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker 11: You know, Philly still could, you would have thought it
• 49:29
  Speaker 11: was a perfect year for Dallas, but you know, they
• 49:32
  Speaker 11: just haven't really shown an ability defensively to get much better.
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: And so they're, they're pretty hit and miss.
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: I think that, I think the Eagles have some real
• 49:40
  Speaker 11: limitations and some problems, but shoot, they were up by
• 49:43
  Speaker 11: 10 points on the Rams. They were controlling this game
• 49:45
  Speaker 11: at least late in the game against Jacksonville. It looks
• 49:48
  Speaker 11: like they're still playing hard. I assume they'll get Shaquan
• 49:51
  Speaker 11: Barkley back at some time. And it's just a matter
• 49:54
  Speaker 11: of kind of holding on, you know, here in the meantime.
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: And I think the fact that that division is still
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: up for grads could deter them from, you know, possibly
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: making some trades and doing some things that you might
• 50:05
  Speaker 11: do if you didn't think you had a chance.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Are you surprised that Marvin Harrison is getting traded?
• 50:12
  Speaker 11: No, I'm not at all because his production has really
• 50:16
  Speaker 11: fallen off. I think Cardinals fans and people watching that
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: team have been pretty down on him. There's been a
• 50:24
  Speaker 11: lot of clips going around of him not giving full
• 50:27
  Speaker 11: effort or looking like he's fully engaged or really able
• 50:30
  Speaker 11: to separate from anybody. So see if a change of
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: scenery helps him sometimes. It can, you know, and I
• 50:36
  Speaker 11: think he's getting with CJ Stroud and Houston. They were teammates.
• 50:40
  Speaker 11: It's possible that helps them. I mean, we'll have to see,
• 50:42
  Speaker 11: but his production's just been okay and nothing really too flashy.
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: So it's probably makes sense for both teams.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. Mike Santa with us for a
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: couple more moments. I loved your last line. How about
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: those Falcons? they gave us another entertaining game. I think
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, why are the Falcons
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: on prime time all these times? And then yet, the
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: game itself is hell of entertaining. They didn't come out
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: on top, but entertaining game though, right? At least the
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Falcons are giving us that.
• 51:10
  Speaker 8: It really was.
• 51:10
  Speaker 11: I think Michael Penix has come back and given them
• 51:12
  Speaker 11: more of a boost than I thought he would. He's
• 51:15
  Speaker 11: somebody who is willing to throw it in there, at
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: least give them a chance. I think that can get
• 51:20
  Speaker 11: a team going. Their offensive lines come together a little
• 51:22
  Speaker 11: bit too, so A tough loss for them against the
• 51:25
  Speaker 11: Ravens without Lamar Jackson. I think if they'd won that one, man,
• 51:28
  Speaker 11: they'd be rolling. But I think they're still going to
• 51:30
  Speaker 11: be better than we thought as long as Penix is
• 51:32
  Speaker 11: in there. We saw last night he got banged around,
• 51:34
  Speaker 11: and I think it's unlikely he plays every game the
• 51:37
  Speaker 11: rest of the way too.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: A quick thought from Mike before we let you go.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Fun Monday night game tonight. You've got the Buffalo Bills
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: and you've got the L.A. Rams on Monday night football.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: You want a heavyweight tilt on Monday? Mike, that's a
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: heavyweight battle right there.
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  Speaker 10: I love it.
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  Speaker 8: I can't wait to see, you know, to the bills
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: fans are going to travel.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 51:56
  Speaker 11: A lot of bills fans there for that game. And
• 51:58
  Speaker 11: I think Josh Allen's the one thing that I think
• 52:01
  Speaker 11: is going to have a big game. You know, the
• 52:03
  Speaker 11: one thing I trust the most right now. So I
• 52:06
  Speaker 11: might favor the bills at this point. Rams haven't really
• 52:10
  Speaker 11: put it all together, but they're capable too. So maybe
• 52:14
  Speaker 11: there'll be some points put on the board.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: And all of us out here in the NFC Westland,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: including our friends at San Francisco 49ers, big Bills fans
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: tonight out here, Mike. Big Bills fans tonight as they
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: take on the Rams. Well, yeah.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 52:25
  Speaker 11: You've got to get one back after the Eagles let
• 52:27
  Speaker 11: them off the hook. I think if you're looking for
• 52:29
  Speaker 11: the Rams to lose, that was a tough one. That
• 52:30
  Speaker 11: was a tough one. But we'll see tonight another tough
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: game for the Rams.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Indeed. Great stuff, as always. I know you're on with
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: the morning show later this week. We'll look forward to that.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Thank you, sir.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next Monday.
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: Okay, thank you.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: That's Mike Sando from The Athletic joining us here on
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. We've got texts. We probably have
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: some talkbacks as well, Ashley, right?
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: Oh, yes.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Red microphone. Go ahead, speak into it. We'll get to
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: your reaction from the Seahawks' loss this weekend, the other
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: losses by every college football team imaginable. Your thoughts or
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: just your vents coming up next.
• 53:08
  Speaker 10: Okay, I had two problems with Mike McDonald in that game.
• 53:10
  Speaker 10: The first problem was right before the half, calling the timeouts,
• 53:13
  Speaker 10: trying to get the ball back. I can understand if
• 53:16
  Speaker 10: the 49ers are on their own 20, but they were
• 53:18
  Speaker 10: on the 50. We were going to be pinned deep
• 53:20
  Speaker 10: and have no chance to score. It's a turnover waiting
• 53:22
  Speaker 10: to happen. The second problem I had was not giving
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: Job any.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Help against Mike Evans.
• 53:28
  Speaker 10: I mean, it was obvious the 49ers were going to
• 53:31
  Speaker 10: go to Evans against Job. They found something there, and
• 53:34
  Speaker 10: he does nothing to adjust.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: If you listened earlier, we addressed that with you during
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Hardcore Football. Mike McDonald actually addressed it today, too. He goes, yeah,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: I kind of get it. I kind of get it. But, yeah,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you got– they used timeouts.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I think what Hugh said, just the play call was egregious,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: and plus you got to hold on the ball. Simple
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: as that.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Next.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Play should have never– We have a Brian Fleury problem. Yes,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: George Helani fumbled that ball, but it was Fleury who
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: fumbled the call. That play should have never happened. You
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: take one step, drop to a knee, and go to
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: the locker room.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Seattle sports fans right now.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Well, at least we have nothing. We've got the Kraken.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Kraken are 2-0 on their five-game road trip.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Sounders.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Sounders had a win this weekend. Kraken, unfortunately for them,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: when they're winning games, are playing head-to-head against Friday, UW
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: and Iowa. Yeah. And yesterday, literally exact same time as
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks and the 49ers are playing. Two of their
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: best games in a while and going head-to-head with football.
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, who's not?
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: We've got a couple more.
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: Niners.
• 54:54
  Speaker 12: I don't feel like this is actually a big deal
• 54:57
  Speaker 12: at all. If you remember last year, we lost four
• 54:59
  Speaker 12: out of five at the beginning of the season. It
• 55:01
  Speaker 12: really only matters how you finish. If we can win
• 55:05
  Speaker 12: three or four games in a row at the end
• 55:07
  Speaker 12: of the year, including both Rams games, then this loss
• 55:10
  Speaker 12: won't mean anything.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: I brought this up earlier. Now, these are just the
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: basic numbers, like basic numbers. But they're rushing the ball,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: and Hugh did a good job explaining kind of how
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: they're rushing it and how they're running it, but At
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: this point, through five games, they've rushed the ball for
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: 530 yards, 565 last year. So the difference in terms
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: of rushing yards per game is seven per game compared
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: to last year. But we didn't lose four out of
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: five last year, did we? They were three and two
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: at the same time last year. Yeah, so okay, that's right.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Exact same record. But he said we lost four out
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: of five.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what?
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I don't remember being that bad. The difference is Darnold probably.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, just last year, through five games, when he
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: played all five, he threw nine touchdowns and had three interceptions.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: This year, through five games, he's only played really three. Yep.
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: And he's only played the three. And those three, he's
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: thrown seven touchdowns and five interceptions. So he's got two
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: more interceptions and two fewer games.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: That's not ideal.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Fumbles are almost identical. The difference in the fumbles is,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: and Mike McDonald brought up the fumbles. That's the reason
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I'm bringing this up. Mike McDonald brought up the fumbles yesterday,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: or today, in his news conference. We carried that live
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: at 1230. So, you know, roughly the same.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: They were eight last year at this point through five games,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: or in terms of turnovers, eight. This year it's nine
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: through five games. The fumbles are a little bit different
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: because this year it's all running backs. Price two, Helani one,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and Wilson one. Last year, it was Darnold had one,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: JSN had one, Milrow had one. Oh, that's right. The
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: defense had one after they got an interception, they turned
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: it over.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: And then Helani had one. So those are different. The
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: biggest difference in terms of production, just raw number, basic
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: number outside of, I know the running backs are depleted,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: but the numbers per game are similar.
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Walker was having a good year. Charbonnet did not have
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: a good first five games. He had three touchdowns, but
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: he was averaging well under, not well under, but he
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: was averaging under three yards per attempt. Cooper Cup last
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: year at this time had 24 catches as your number
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: two receiver. He has how many now?
• 57:24
  Speaker 12: 11.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Just a non-factor. And nobody else in the passing game
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: besides JSN is a factor. JSN's numbers are pretty similar.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: He's at 37 catches right now. He had 34 last year. So,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, through five games.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: The turnovers and how they, that's the thing too, is
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: how do the turnovers happen? When do they happen? Where
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: do they happen?
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: Halani.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: It was so bad yesterday. And the thing with Halani
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: is he also, he could have had a second one.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: He just dropped the ball.
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Like in open field.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: And then at least he was able to get it.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Barely, right?
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: I just, I was like, I yelled bad, bad words
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: when that happened. I was like, get the effing ball.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: We got one more talk back. Oh, we got a
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: couple more, but we'll play one more. All right. Fire one.
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: Ian, my frustration comes from this team not learning from
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: their mistakes.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold threw a pick.
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: This weekend that looked exactly identical to a pick he
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: threw last weekend.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: The fumble issues from George Helani are not getting fixed.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: The fumble issues from Emmanuel.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Wilson, not getting fixed.
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: All after we'll watch Jadarian Price have fumble issues.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: Every running back we have has a fumble issue.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: And they're just.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: Relying way too heavily on the defense.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: The offense needs to get going.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want to defend Wilson too much, but he's
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: only got the one fumble this year.
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Just the one.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wouldn't call it. Yeah. One more.
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: Hey guys, I just want to say, uh, yep. Really
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: salty about yesterday's game, like an Auntie Anne's pretzel, but, uh,
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: we got to stop talking about Ken Walker.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Like he's, He's moved on.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: We're the bitter ex right now, and we need to
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: get over that. We'll get some reinforcements, but maybe we
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: try something a little bit different this week, and hopefully
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: we can take care of business on a short week
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: against Denver. By the way, Bo Nix doesn't scare me
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: at all, so let's go.
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: Ian, Ashley, I need you to answer a question for me,
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: and this is not new. Why is it when the
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: Seahawks lose, and it seems like this happens every single
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: time they lose, they play.
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: Like garbage, but it's just enough.
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: If they had lost by 21 yesterday, I'd be angry,
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: but I'd be like, okay, well, they played like crap.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: They lost by 21.
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: They lost by three, and they had the ball at
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: the end with a chance to win.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, everyone.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: 435.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I love how these Seahawks fans are in shock. We'll
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: send Bernal this year. He led the NFL in turnovers
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: LOL.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's not just a darn... It's just he
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: led the league in turnovers, but he looked different. He did.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I think if you... I think Softie's going to do something.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: If you were listening to Mike Sandel a minute ago,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Sandel brought up the possibility of a quarterback change. That's
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: not a fan bringing it up. That's a guy that is...
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: probably is dialed in with NFL executives. Not like, hey,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: give me the news of the day, who's signing where. No,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: like guys that are looking at X's and O's as anyone.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting thing he just threw out there at us.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: We didn't get too deep into it, but it was interesting.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Any chance the new owners have put Josh
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Jobe on Mike Evans? Ha ha. Ha ha. A lot
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: of people, enough of George Helani. A lot of people
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: have time to get rid of Helani. How does he
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: still have a job today? This is a 4-2-5. Yeah,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. The Helani stuff is, people
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: were pissed. People were mad. Let's see. I did feel
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: that way, but not sure. Now, leaving Joe about Evan
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: seems like a pure ego, which is a recipe for disaster.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: McDonald kind of wore it today, but, you know. Donald
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: is 1-2 as a starter. Both losses could be on him.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: First pass and back-to-back games intercepted. Yeah, I mean, the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Donald thing is becoming... I think the Donald thing is
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: going to become more... Unless he gets it going. Well,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: he's got a couple days to figure it out. We
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: could have a... Like, if he goes in and throws
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: a couple more picks and they lose to Denver on Thursday,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: we're going to have an interesting conversation Friday.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: The bigger thing is what you do in the future
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: with him. When you've got the other guys sitting there
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: that look pretty damn good this year.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Now, he played against Arizona.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: But he did play against a Patriots team that is
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: okay yesterday.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Look what they did yesterday.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: So now it helped that the defense forced Drake May
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: to a bunch of turnovers, but you get the point.