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Katie Woo on Ohtani IL situation, De Paula’s DH time, ‘01 Met Todd Zeile reflects on aftermath of 9/11 · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hey, we're talking to your Dodgers territory host and the
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  Speaker 1: athletics Katie Wu right now about a team that just
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  Speaker 1: can't escape the headlines lately. Katie, great to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for hopping back on with us. Let's get to
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  Speaker 1: the headliner. So Shohei Otani to the injured list. He's
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  Speaker 1: not going to have much time to play in some
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  Speaker 1: games when he returns. What's the deal here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, nice to see three of my favorite fellows.
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  Speaker 3: You too, AJ.
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  Speaker 2: I think this has been a big deal, a big
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  Speaker 2: talking point for the Dodgers based on when Shohei Otani
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  Speaker 2: started ramping back up his throwing program. He was supposed to,
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  Speaker 2: we'll backtrack a little bit. potentially returned to the mound
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  Speaker 2: on the first or the last Sunday, excuse me, of August.
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  Speaker 2: And right before that, the Dodgers scratched him saying there
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  Speaker 2: was just total body soreness and he wasn't going to pitch.
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  Speaker 2: And that ultimately bled into the last two weeks of
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  Speaker 2: Otani or the last week and a half of him
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  Speaker 2: really not being able to play at all. He missed
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  Speaker 2: six of their last seven games. And it was very
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  Speaker 2: clear watching him at the plate. He just didn't look healthy.
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  Speaker 2: And you were questioning If he's not healthy enough to pitch,
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  Speaker 2: is this bleeding into his performance at the plate? And
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  Speaker 2: both he and the Dodgers insisted that it wasn't, but
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  Speaker 2: the more you watched him, the more you saw that
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't the case at all. So he misses four games,
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  Speaker 2: the longest game or the longest tenure in his, the
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  Speaker 2: longest time he hasn't been playing with the Dodgers in
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  Speaker 2: his tenure, excuse me. And then comes back on Monday,
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  Speaker 2: goes over four with a couple of punch outs. doesn't
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  Speaker 2: play Tuesday, doesn't play Wednesday, and the Dodgers finally make
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  Speaker 2: the decision to put him on the IL. Because he's
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  Speaker 2: a two-way player, guys, that's a 15-day IL stint. Even
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  Speaker 2: if he's not pitching at the moment, he has to
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  Speaker 2: do the full 15 days, which means he'll come back
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  Speaker 2: around the first days eligible with backdates September 23rd, which
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  Speaker 2: puts him available for the last series of the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: The question for me that I have is the biggest
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  Speaker 2: thing the Dodgers made, the biggest deal, was making sure
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  Speaker 2: they had a healthy Otani who wasn't compromised heading into October.
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  Speaker 2: Can that be the case, knowing that he's not going
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  Speaker 2: to see live at-bats for two weeks and he's going
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  Speaker 2: to have just three days if he's ready to be
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  Speaker 2: activated off the IL to return to action before the
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  Speaker 2: postseason starts?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Katie, that's the question is, can they get him
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  Speaker 4: ready through those three games? I'm sure if they get
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  Speaker 4: a one or two seed, which it looks like they're
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  Speaker 4: going to get right now, They'll bring in some minor
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  Speaker 4: league pitchers and have them take live at-bats for that
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  Speaker 4: time they have off.
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  Speaker 5: But is that enough? Because they need Shohei Ohtani. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: if you watch the.
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  Speaker 4: Dodgers play, yes, I know they're playing the Rockies and
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  Speaker 4: they're beating the crap out of the Rockies right now.
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  Speaker 4: But when they play better teams, it's been an offensive
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  Speaker 4: problem for them, and they really need Shohei to go,
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  Speaker 4: especially at the top of the order. Will he have
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  Speaker 4: enough time to be ready to be that guy that
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  Speaker 4: they need?
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what the question is now. And it raises the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hindsight's always 20-20. But would the Dodgers have
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  Speaker 2: been better served just placing him on the IL when
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  Speaker 2: these issues first popped up? Look, no player is 100%.
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  Speaker 2: You guys know this in the middle of September. But
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  Speaker 2: for Shohei, the big emphasis the Dodgers put all season
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  Speaker 2: long was making sure that they could have his bat
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  Speaker 2: in the lineup come October. Obviously, everybody, all of baseball
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  Speaker 2: wants him to be a two-way player, but the reality
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  Speaker 2: is the Dodgers rotation with Blake Snell, with Yoshinobu Yamamoto,
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  Speaker 2: with Tarek Skubal, with Tyler Glassdow, all healthy. They can
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  Speaker 2: withstand not having Shohei in the starting rotation. They're built
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  Speaker 2: to absorb that. This lineup, with what has been a
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  Speaker 2: lack of slug really all season long, is not built
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  Speaker 2: to withstand no Shohei Otani in the leadoff spot. So now,
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  Speaker 2: you know you're going to be without him for the
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  Speaker 2: next two weeks. The good news is, yes, they beat
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  Speaker 2: up on bad teams. Dodgers have won seven straight. They
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  Speaker 2: could clinch a postseason spot as early as this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a brand new ballgame come October. And if
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  Speaker 2: Shohei just has three, four games to ramp back up,
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  Speaker 2: and we're not even sure what his overall physical condition
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  Speaker 2: is going to be, you can make the argument that
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers will have a compromised version of Shohei Otani
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  Speaker 2: hitting leadoff for them in October, assuming he comes out
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  Speaker 2: of this IL stint healthy and to me that's the
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  Speaker 2: most glaring problem yes they can absorb not having him
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  Speaker 2: as the pitcher as much as all baseball wants to
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  Speaker 2: see shohei otani doing two-way things but can this lineup
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  Speaker 2: the way the offense has looked against good teams to
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  Speaker 2: your point aj withstand not having a fully healthy shohei
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  Speaker 2: the dodgers were were very adamant that they did not
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  Speaker 2: want this to happen but now they're facing a reality
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  Speaker 2: where in two weeks it still could be the.
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  Speaker 6: Case i know we don't hear a lot from shohei
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  Speaker 6: but and the dodgers try to keep things close to
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  Speaker 6: the vest Was there a pushback from Shohei to finally
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  Speaker 6: go in the IL because of what we heard from
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  Speaker 6: Dave Roberts leading up to this time and the whole
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  Speaker 6: time that you explained how he was missing time, wasn't starting,
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  Speaker 6: wasn't hitting, should have pitched, didn't pitch, overall soreness. Was
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  Speaker 6: there a fight between Shohei and the front office or
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  Speaker 6: the training group or Dave Roberts?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there was a fight. I don't even
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  Speaker 2: think there was necessarily a disconnect. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers trying to figure out just how hurt Shohei
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  Speaker 2: was and whether or not it made sense because, again,
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  Speaker 2: he's not going on the 10-day IL like most position players.
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  Speaker 3: He's going on the 15.
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  Speaker 2: If it made sense to play short with an expanded
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  Speaker 2: roster for a couple of days, if it meant that
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  Speaker 2: Shohei didn't have to go on the IL and serve
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  Speaker 2: that whole stint, or if he could just go on
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  Speaker 2: the aisle now and try to be healthy coming out
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  Speaker 2: of it. And I think, and we talked to Dave
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  Speaker 2: Roberts yesterday, Shohei hurt himself again, felt something on that
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  Speaker 2: right bicep that's been plaguing him for the better part
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  Speaker 2: of the season on a swing he took on Monday
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  Speaker 2: and didn't disclose it until Tuesday night. Because up until
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday night, the Dodgers and Dave Roberts have conveyed this
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  Speaker 2: to us as well. believed Otani would be back in
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  Speaker 2: the lineup on Wednesday. And this was just part of
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  Speaker 2: the load management part where maybe he would play one day,
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  Speaker 2: have one day off as the Dodgers work to manage
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  Speaker 2: the total body soreness and limitations that he's been dealing with.
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  Speaker 7: But.
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  Speaker 2: Look, the all-time greats, you guys know this, Freddie Freeman
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  Speaker 2: is not going to go up to the Dodgers and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm hurt, I'm not going to play today. Neither is
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  Speaker 2: Shohei Otani. And I think there needs to be better
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  Speaker 2: communication between the two. If Shohei wasn't feeling 100%, that
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  Speaker 2: needs to be communicated with the Dodgers so they can
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  Speaker 2: make their best educated decision. This whole process of this
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  Speaker 2: two-way season, it was the first time the Dodgers have
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  Speaker 2: had him for two-way duties. So there's going to be
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  Speaker 2: some trial and error in managing the load. But I
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  Speaker 2: feel like if we learned anything over the last month,
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  Speaker 2: communication from both sides should be better.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he must have better communication than I
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  Speaker 4: have with my bosses because I was four days in Vegas,
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  Speaker 4: full-body soreness, and I had to work on Tuesday. So, apparently,
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  Speaker 4: he was better communicating.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, right?
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  Speaker 2: Was that soreness self-induced, AJ?
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  Speaker 7: Does it matter?
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  Speaker 5: So is Shohei from pitching, trying to pitch.
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  Speaker 6: He's a two-way player, too. He's a two-way player.
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  Speaker 5: Also a two-way player.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, earlier I said the Yankees, the Rockies
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  Speaker 4: are playing the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, they're playing the Reds. The Yankees are playing the Rockies.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard not to confuse them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it.
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  Speaker 4: You cover me, Katie. But could this be a good thing?
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  Speaker 4: I know people are saying, oh, no, he's only going
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  Speaker 4: to have three games. But could this be a good thing?
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  Speaker 4: It's gotten Freddie off first base for a couple days.
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  Speaker 4: If they need to get someone else, let them DH.
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  Speaker 4: They can let that. Now they bring up DePaulo, right,
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  Speaker 4: to get a look at him. Could this actually be
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  Speaker 4: a little bit– Will Smith could DH instead of having
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  Speaker 4: to catch. Could there be a silver lining for a
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  Speaker 4: Dodger team that nobody, except for Dodger fans, wants to
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  Speaker 4: find any positive about? Sure.
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  Speaker 2: It's not ideal, and the silver lining is that Josue
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  Speaker 2: DePaula comes up, Dodgers top prospect, goes straight from double-A
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  Speaker 2: to the majors, the first position player under Andrew Friedman's
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  Speaker 2: tenure to do so. The Dodgers have been so particular
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  Speaker 2: on how they manage their 40-man roster, but they saw
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity for DePaula to get continuous reps as the DH.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to get the lion's share of reps as
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  Speaker 2: the designated hitter with Otani out, Dave Roberts said yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: He could spell some guys in the corner, but right
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  Speaker 2: now this is a hit tool prospect that the whole
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  Speaker 2: organization believes is arguably their best overall hit tool in
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  Speaker 2: the farm system. So the silver lining is we get
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  Speaker 2: to see DePaula, Dodgers fans see DePaula earlier than we
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  Speaker 2: probably would have. This is a pretty unprecedented decision by
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers to call him up with just two and
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  Speaker 2: a half weeks in the regular season remaining. But in
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  Speaker 2: terms of if it's a good thing, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I can buy into that because there are just
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  Speaker 2: so many questions where the You know, Freddie Freeman not
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  Speaker 2: feeling 100%, though it's very unlikely he's going to need
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  Speaker 2: an I.L. stick. Will Smith coming back from a long
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  Speaker 2: absence on the I.L. and no Dalton Rushing, who's also
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  Speaker 2: on the I.L. to kind of spell him behind the plate.
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  Speaker 2: There are a lot of moving parts here where this
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  Speaker 2: is clearly not the preferred Dodgers active roster. But I
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  Speaker 2: think we have to remember with this club, even when
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  Speaker 2: they're all healthy, rarely is this 26-man roster in September
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  Speaker 2: what we see in October. So best case scenario, the
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  Speaker 2: silver lining, Josue DiPaola gets his feet wet in the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues, maybe with the way that you can, most
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  Speaker 2: teams or most players, if they're not up by September 1st,
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  Speaker 2: aren't eligible for the postseason because there's some IL stints
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  Speaker 2: involved that might not be the case with him. He
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  Speaker 2: comes out, catches fire early on. You have maybe another
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  Speaker 2: bat that can be in your postseason mix. But the
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  Speaker 2: big thing for me is the Dodgers need to rest
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  Speaker 2: Otani first Is two weeks enough for him to do that?
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  Speaker 2: And can he refine his footing in the three, four-day
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  Speaker 2: runway before the playoffs start?
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  Speaker 6: All right, Katie, I'm going to have a question and
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  Speaker 6: a comment about one of your tweets. But first, we
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  Speaker 6: want to hear from hot sheet, hot sheet, JJ Cooper,
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  Speaker 6: who's going to give us a little bit of a
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  Speaker 6: scatting report on DePaulo.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know how much impact he's going to have
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  Speaker 8: this year, and we'll get into that. But in the
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  Speaker 8: long run, Jose DePaulo, the Dodgers outfielder coming up to
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  Speaker 8: the big leagues is a very big deal because Jose
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  Speaker 8: DePaulo is as good a hitter as we've had in
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  Speaker 8: the minor leagues this year. The closest analog I can
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  Speaker 8: make to what DePaulo has done this year is what
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  Speaker 8: Kevin McGonigal did last year. The only difference is, DePaula
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  Speaker 8: did it all year in AA, whereas McGonigal made it
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  Speaker 8: up to AA for the second half of the season
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  Speaker 8: last year. But we're talking those kind of in-zone miss rates,
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  Speaker 8: those kind of overall miss rates, chase rates, hard hit rates.
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  Speaker 8: DePaula hits the ball really hard, but as a left-handed
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  Speaker 8: hitter who really knows the strike zone, who does not
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  Speaker 8: swing and miss, he's also, probably more importantly, maddening for
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  Speaker 8: a pitcher to face. Because there's just no easy way
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  Speaker 8: to get him out.
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  Speaker 6: All right. So JJ told us he's going to be
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  Speaker 6: the next rookie of the year, obviously, because if he's
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  Speaker 6: going to be Kevin McGonigal, we don't know what he's
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  Speaker 6: going to be. But in your tweet, the second part
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  Speaker 6: of your tweet, when you were talking about Shohei Otani's health,
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  Speaker 6: you said, worth noting, the Dodgers generally refrained from calling
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  Speaker 6: up top prospects unless there's a clear route for consistent
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  Speaker 6: playing times. Dalton Rushing would like to argue with what
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  Speaker 6: you have to say, and do you think they've learned
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  Speaker 6: from that, and this is why they've made the move?
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  Speaker 6: Because Dalton Rushing was a guy that they got rid
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  Speaker 6: of Barnes for, and he had to sit on the bench,
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  Speaker 6: and you saw what he did early in the year
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  Speaker 6: when Will Smith was out and had a ton of success.
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  Speaker 6: Do you feel like they thought about this with Josue
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  Speaker 6: when they called him up?
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  Speaker 2: I think there are little different circumstances between rushing's call-up
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  Speaker 2: and Josue de Paula's call-up. This was out of necessity.
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  Speaker 2: They had really obviously tried very hard not to put
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  Speaker 2: Otani on the IL. This was their last resort. And
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  Speaker 2: when you're looking at who they have in AAA, it's
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  Speaker 2: clear that they felt the best option to keep them
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  Speaker 2: winning ballgames and to give them the best chance to
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  Speaker 2: win is de Paula. Also, he needs to be on
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  Speaker 2: the 40-man roster. at the end of the year anyway
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  Speaker 2: to protect him. So if they were going to put
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  Speaker 2: him on the 40 man in November, you might as well,
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  Speaker 2: if you find an opportunity to do so in September,
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  Speaker 2: just do it now and see what he can do
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  Speaker 2: in this small sample size in the big leagues. If
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  Speaker 2: Otani wasn't going on the IL, we were not going
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  Speaker 2: to see DePaula. This was something that Clearly, after Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: when Shohei wasn't in the lineup, the Dodgers front office
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  Speaker 2: came together and said, we're going to need to fill him.
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  Speaker 2: Who's our best chance at being the best productive DH?
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  Speaker 2: With all respect to those guys in AAA, it's DePaula,
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  Speaker 2: as JJ Cooper just said, one of the best hit
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  Speaker 2: tools in all of baseball. So it's a little different
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  Speaker 2: because this is out of necessity. And I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: what after the next two weeks, that's what his runway
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  Speaker 2: is going to be, right? He's going to play every
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  Speaker 2: day or almost every day until Shohei is back. And
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  Speaker 2: if he was going to be added to the 40-man
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  Speaker 2: roster anyway, why not do it now? And let's be real,
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  Speaker 2: the optics of putting Ohtani on the IL, especially after
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  Speaker 2: the front office, general manager Brandon Gomes, denied that Ohtani
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  Speaker 2: looked any kind of compromised earlier in the week, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: look great, especially after they've made it very clear that
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  Speaker 2: they don't want him to go there. You can catch
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  Speaker 2: the bull a little bit by calling up a top
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  Speaker 2: prospect that most fans have wanted to see all season long.
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  Speaker 7: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So the Dodgers... Keep doing it. Katie, how do they
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  Speaker 4: keep doing it? How do they keep finding these guys?
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  Speaker 4: Is it top prospect, top hit tool? In baseball, there's
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  Speaker 4: draft low.
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  Speaker 5: They don't, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Salary cap.
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  Speaker 4: Salary cap, that's right. But how do they keep doing this?
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  Speaker 4: How do they keep finding these guys where no matter
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  Speaker 4: who they call.
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  Speaker 5: Up is a top prospect, top prospect.
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  Speaker 2: Top prospect? Okay, 29 other fan bases don't want to
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  Speaker 2: hear it. Because rightfully, I understand the long-term look is
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  Speaker 2: to look at what the Dodgers are spending. But they're
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  Speaker 2: spending a lot of money behind the scenes, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: pro scouting, international scouting, player development. Osweita Paula was an
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  Speaker 2: international free agent signing in 2022. The Dodgers are so
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  Speaker 2: good at building a foundation that allows them to go
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  Speaker 2: out and yes, when you can spend essentially whatever you want,
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  Speaker 2: that helps too. I'm not downplaying that. But what they've
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  Speaker 2: done behind the scenes in pro scouting, amateur scouting, international scouting,
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  Speaker 2: and then developing their players into one of the top
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  Speaker 2: farm systems in baseball, despite continuously, continually drafting low, that
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  Speaker 2: is a sign of a winning organization. And this is
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  Speaker 2: what Andrew Friedman excelled at when he was leading the
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Rays and obviously much different market. You have
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  Speaker 2: to have a strong infrastructure for your minor league system
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  Speaker 2: if you want to compete in Tampa Bay. In Los Angeles,
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: you can go out and buy guys, sure. But if
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: you don't have that infrastructure or that foundation coming up underneath,
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: it's really easy to kind of see that fall apart.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: It's why you're seeing teams like the Mets spend a
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: lot of money and not win. The Dodgers are really
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: good at making sure every single part of their ball club,
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: they're allocating the right resources to, and they have some
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: of the best people in player development and scouting available.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: helping build that foundation so that when Shelly Otani hits
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: the aisle, there's still someone that you're excited about to
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: make his major league debut on Friday in this top prospect,
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: one of the top prospects in all of baseball.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: Katie, they need to cap.
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: A lot of teams are getting rid of pro scouts
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: and all that.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: And the Dodgers are like, yeah, we'll keep adding them
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: because we can make smart trades and we can develop
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: our guys better if we have more resources.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: So maybe they'll put a cap on those stuff too.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: Maybe on how many scouts you can have, how many
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: front office workers you can have.
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: We'll just cap everything at this point, but.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: I want to make, Cap wins.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Cap wins.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Too many wins.
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: Too many wins. Too many championships.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: Too many wins.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: Katie, before we let you go, I have to say this.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: You know, it says on the bottom, Dodgers territory host.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: The other day, I did a Braves-Dodgers game in Atlanta.
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: Walk into the Dodgers booth, and guess who's on the screen?
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Katie Wu doing Dodgers territory.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: So, apparently, even– Oh, wow.
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Did we just lose AJ at the perfect time?
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: That could not have worked out well for me because
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: that was going to be a roast, and I wasn't
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: prepared for it. But baseball gods are on my side today, guys.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: You win today, Katie.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: This is the best. You win today, Katie. I'm back.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: I'm back. I win today, AJ.
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: Too late.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I'm back. Too late.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: No, I did the Dodgers game a couple weeks ago,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: and I walk into the Dodgers booth, and on the
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: screen is Katie's face on Dodgers territory.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: Dodgers employees were watching Katie.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: On the TV.
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  Speaker 5: So you must be doing something.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Right, Katie. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm doing something right or they're
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: just like, what is she going to say today? That's
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: going to make us mad. Maybe, but maybe that is
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: doing it right. I don't know, guys.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: I would have to say there was some fluttering eyelashes
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: as Kirsten Watson.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: AJ's breaking up again. Katie, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 5: You're the best.
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  Speaker 1: Love Dodgers territory and plenty of Katie articles on, Paola
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate you, Katie. Talk soon.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Thanks, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Friday marks 25 years since the 9-11 attacks, a
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: moment in time that we will never forget. And to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: think back to what happened there and how baseball tied
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: into it, MLB Network is debuting a documentary tonight, Thursday night,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: about the Time and Baseball's Place in Helping Heal Those Wounds.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Todd Ziel, a big part of that project, and he's
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: about to join us. Before that, let's get a little
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: preview of when America took the field on MLB Network.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: 25 years later, it's still in the forefront of my mind.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: 25 years, but it always feels like it just happened.
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: Feels like yesterday right now. The worst thing that happened
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: to this country then brought out the best in the country.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: And I think you saw that in ballparks.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: The question has already been answered. Should we be here? Yes.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: I remember like, we're going to play baseball?
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: And now when I look back and here we are
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: 25 years later, it's like, yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: Shea Stadium has something to smile about.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Baseball brought comfort.
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: And it was a vehicle to get back to life
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: as we knew it, as heavy as our hearts were.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: The chills that I had just seeing people out there
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: enjoying the game made a difference for the guys on
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: the field.
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: And you needed something to feel good again, and baseball
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: was the first thing.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: We needed the escape. We needed the diversion.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: We needed the games.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: We're going to get back.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: We're going to dust ourselves off.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: And in September, we played baseball, and that's what we did.
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: I will never be part of a more patriotic experience
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: in my life.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: We needed our leader to be there. He was there.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: It gives me goosebumps right now sitting there watching it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: All for one, one for all.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: This is our sport. This is our pastime.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I think what baseball did at the time, we put
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: a small Band-Aid on a big wall.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: When America took the field, looking forward to watching that,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And Todd Zeal is joining us right now. Yes, over
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: 2000 career hits, but remembers and obviously was a part
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of that moment in time. So you can give us
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the firsthand experience of what it was like to be
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: on the field. Todd, great to have you on here
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and congrats on being a part of this documentary. Super
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: important for people to not forget what happened during that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: time too, but I'll give you the floor to start here.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Tell me what people can expect to get a little
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: taste of in the documentary.
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for having me on, guys.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: I appreciate it watching you guys all the time.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And AJ, fair. Craig Biggio, catcher.
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: Even though I played 2,000 games at third base, I
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: still played those positions like a catcher, as most of
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: you guys remember.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: So, you know, fair enough. Not really a.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: Catcher with all those hits. Yeah, it blocks those out. Anyway,
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: that said, look, I'm proud to be a part of this.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: I'm an executive producer on this that It's something that
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: started a couple of years ago, just having a conversation
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: with a friend about, you know, what it was like
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: to be a New York Met, what it was like
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: to be in New York after the attacks. And the
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: fact that we kind of got called into action by
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: Bobby V and, you know, the New York Met's without
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: really knowing what we were getting ourselves into and the
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: feelings of going down to ground zero and trading a
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: hat that turned into something symbolic and just being a
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: part of that aftermath. I think we realized that there
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: was some stories to be told and there were some
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: stories that we all knew that the Piazza home run
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: on 921 and George W. throwing the first pitch in
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: game three of the World Series. But I think the
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: thing that was interesting and exciting for me and what
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: ended up being sort of the genesis of making this
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: documentary with MLB is that there was a lot of
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: stories outside of New York that involved the thread of
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: baseball that have still continued that thread through relationships after
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: 9-11 that have lasted 25 years.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: So that's what you're going to see.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: You're going to see some things that you've seen before,
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: and you're going to have some of the notes that
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: are powerful from the things that you have seen before,
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: and then there's going to be some things that are
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: sort of unexpected but have that thread of baseball.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Todd, we were in Detroit when this happened, so I
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: was on the twins at the time we were in
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Detroit and I, we'll get into it more. But what
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I wanted to start with is in this documentary, one
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: of the big moments that people remember is the Mike
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Piazza home run.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: And I've talked to Mike about this and he's very
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: open about this. He was like, it was almost like
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I had to hit a home run that night and
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: he hits the home run and he swings. And I
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: remember him saying like the, the ball. And I think
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: it was car say through it. He like, you're like,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: it just lit up.
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: And he's like, Oh my gosh.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And he swung.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: And he's like, that just happened. Are there any other
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: moments that players talk about like that? Because that's the.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: One, obviously, that I remember just because I think you
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: guys were the first game back. And as a player,
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: everyone's watching. Mike hits the huge home run.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: And were there any other players that had moments like that?
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: You know, that's a really good question because that one
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: was so iconic because it was the first game back
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: in New York. And it was a symbolic game. We're
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: playing against our arch nemesis, the Braves, that had beat
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: up on us throughout parts of that year, we sort
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: of absolutely organically hugged on the field before the game
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: and realized going in that this was not a regular
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: baseball game. There's security everywhere. There's Secret Service. We had
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: no idea if the fans would show up. And so
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: when that moment came, it was almost like, yeah, this
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: is that destined moment that we needed.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: That had to happen. And of course, it's Mike. Of course,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: it's at Shea Stadium.
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: And that sort of iconic moment I don't think could
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: be matched anywhere else. That said, you know, there was
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: a couple of huge walk-off home runs in that New
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: York Diamondback World Series that seemed to feel like it
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: was perpetuating that moment from Mike's 9-21 home run, and
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: I think there was a city that was, you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: at least in some ways, helped to heal through baseball
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: in those moments. And I think everybody sort of in
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: America started believing that, okay, of course, this is the Yankees'
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: destined year.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: This is New York's year to get the crown. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: it didn't happen.
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: But there were some of those moments in New York,
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: but the Diamondbacks ended up taking it away out in Arizona.
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  Speaker 6: Were you able to, in the documentary, capture the lead-up
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: from the time of the attacks to that Piazza moment?
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  Speaker 6: Were you able to capture that with what you guys,
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  Speaker 6: what the coaches, front office, players were feeling leading up
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: to that moment?
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  Speaker 3: I think there's some pretty good dialogue and discussion that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, helps to put us back in that place.
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  Speaker 7: And one of the things that we all kind of
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: recognize that 25 years is a long time. It doesn't
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: feel like 25 years. This is something that, you know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: as we've talked about before in history, this is kind
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: of our generation's historical moment where you hear, you used
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: to hear people talk about, they knew exactly where they
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: were in Pearl Harbor day, or they knew exactly where
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: they were when JFK was shot. This is that moment
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: for us where I knew exactly where I was, exactly
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: what I was thinking, exactly what I was feeling. And
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: so 25 years has seemed to fly by. And so
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: those moments from the time of the attacks to the
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: time of the 921 moment for Mike, at least us
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: guys that, you know, handful of guys with the Mets
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: had made numerous visits to ground zero and spent time
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: with the families at the Javits Center had done you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: work with FDNY families and felt like we were a
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: part of this small healing process. And so some of
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: that's captured in our dialogue and just kind of thinking
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: back on those first days down to ground zero and wondering,
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: why are we here? We're baseball players. These people are
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: going through things that are so traumatic. We can't, we
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: shouldn't even be here. But baseball, once again, is kind
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: of that thread that they looked at us and said, hey,
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: I can get a little bit of relief from these
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: feelings that I'm having.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: And so we do discuss that.
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: I think that going back to Pittsburgh to play the
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: first couple of games back felt really weird for us.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: We thought we should be back in New York. We
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: didn't think we should be playing baseball. And so those games,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you what happened in those games. It
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: was just a blur.
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: I could tell you that we wore the hats and
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: that we were ready to come back to New York.
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: But aside from that, those moments between 9-11 and 9-21
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: were sort of a blur, but we all have some
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: lasting memories of some pieces that are non-baseball related during
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: that time.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Todd, that's one thing I wanted to touch on. I
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: mentioned I can tell you exactly where I was. I
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: can tell you exactly what I was doing when I
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: heard what was going on. And then, you know, so
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: many players and so many people that remember that. Like
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: you said, Pearl Harbor, you said this moment. But for
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: our generation, every person I talk to, oh, you know, 9-11,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: where were you? They can tell you the exact moment,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: the exact thing they were doing, everything, right? And I'm
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: sure in this documentary, the players will say, man, we
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: were here and we heard about this. And I can't
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: even imagine. I know the White Sox are in New
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: York getting ready to play the Yankees. And I've talked
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: to Kenny Williams and I talked to Paul Canerico and
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Mark Burley, what they were doing on that morning. I mean,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: we're players and people in general. This is just a
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: photograph in their mind that just will never go away, right?
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is.
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: And I think that the thing that's interesting and we
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: know each other, we've talked, we know that we've remained
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: involved over the 25 years. It's not like, oh, that
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: all happened and um you know it went away and
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: it's not thought of since i mean i do stuff
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: with the fire department every year i've said we have
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: made great relationships with people that i met through the
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: most trying times in their lives um and so the
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: thing that's been interesting to me as i've been going
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: down this path and getting you know kind of you know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: adding information to this documentary is that there's a generation
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: that's below us that maybe they were kids or hadn't
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: been born yet.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: And they're learning about.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: 9-11 through history class and through the stories passed down
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: by their parents. And it's interesting how it differs in
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: some ways from what I remember at the time. And
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: I think that has always been one of the things
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: that's compelled me to make sure that we continue to
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: tell these stories and make a documentary like this, where
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: you're getting the actual recollection of what happened so that
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: you never forget this, the most simple cliche in a
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: sense motto that there ever was, but it couldn't be
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: more true.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Never forget, right? That's, that's why we do this. That's
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: why we talk about it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: That's why we revisit every year because it's such an
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: important moment in time that, I don't want anybody to
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: ever forget. And I want the kids that weren't around
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: to be able to have the perspective to understand it
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: the way we understood it at the time.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: You guys missed the playoffs that year. Were you cheering
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: for the Yankees in the world series? Just like a
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: little bit.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: I have to say that I was, I was moved
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: by what was going on in New York, especially the,
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: you know, they, they were down, they come back. There's,
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: improbable wins night after night and walk-offs where the place
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: went crazy. And I thought, okay, this is great for
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: New York City. That's great for me. That's great for
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: this country. And so, yeah, I think I had that
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: sort of Yankee fandom for that moment in time.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: I thought the way it ended, my thought the way
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: it ended is I wonder how Luis Gonzalez feels as
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: the the World Series hero knocking in the winning run
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: against Mariano Rivera and knowing that a lot of America
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: wanted the Yankees to find a way to win this
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: because of what happened in New York City. And we
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: get some interesting perspectives on things like that when we've
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: talked to people through the process of making this documentary.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Well, Todd, we're out of time.
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  Speaker 1: I want to bring you back at some point, though,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to talk about other stuff. But this was important. Wanted
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to get you on here, plus the Doc's Coming out tonight,
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  Speaker 1: 10 o'clock Eastern for people catching this right now on Thursday.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: And then again on Friday night after the Mets-Yankees game
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: on MLB Network. Todd, appreciate you, man.
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  Speaker 7: Good to see you.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: You too, buddy. Thank you guys for having me on.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I appreciate the work.