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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Missy Bevers Murderer Caught on Tape - Why is Murder Unsolved · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I've worked out throughout
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  Speaker 1: my life for any number of reasons, either you know,
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  Speaker 1: in sports or military or just to try to stay
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  Speaker 1: in shape or get back in shape. And it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to stay the course. I'm sure that'll y'all know this.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows this. It's hard some days just to get
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  Speaker 1: out and take a walk. I've always been fascinated by
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  Speaker 1: people that have a level of commitment where they will
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  Speaker 1: get up at four a m. You know, even in
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  Speaker 1: the Army, we didn't get up until I think for
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  Speaker 1: forty five. To get up at or show up at
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  Speaker 1: four four am, that means that you would have had
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  Speaker 1: to have started prepping, you know, at three point fifty
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  Speaker 1: maybe if you're gonna throw in your workout clothes and
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  Speaker 1: then to lead to show up motivated. That's the thing
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  Speaker 1: about it, to show up motivated, to drive people to
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  Speaker 1: get in shape, and not just that, but call you know,
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  Speaker 1: call this this program that you're involved in. Camp Gladiator. Today,
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  Speaker 1: i want to discuss one of the most baffling cases
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  Speaker 1: that has come down the pike in a long long time.
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  Speaker 1: I've been covering it for years. It's the first time
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  Speaker 1: I've ever done a body backs on it. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about, at least to this time, the unsolved
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  Speaker 1: homicide of Missy Beavers. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
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  Speaker 1: is body backs tell you about, Joe. Let me jump
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  Speaker 1: in real quick.
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  Speaker 2: Missy Bab's case exploded in twenty sixteen because when it
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  Speaker 2: happened in a church when she was all alone before
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  Speaker 2: five am, but two because police released surveillance video of
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  Speaker 2: the person they believe committed the murder. In the minutes
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  Speaker 2: before the murder took place, we see a person walking
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  Speaker 2: throughout the church in mid Lothian, Texas, wearing a police
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  Speaker 2: swat outfit, including a helmet and a vesta, says police.
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  Speaker 2: On top of that, this video shows that the person
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  Speaker 2: has an unusual walk, an unusual gait, and police released
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  Speaker 2: the surveillance video for everybody to see it, expecting somebody
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  Speaker 2: to go, I know who that is. That's how unique
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  Speaker 2: the walk is. That's why this story went viral. It's
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  Speaker 2: still not solved eight years later. That's why we're digging
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  Speaker 2: into the story today now, Joe. She was there, as
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned, to lead a workout, and I'm kind of
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  Speaker 2: curious a lot of us had to do chores when
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  Speaker 2: we were kids. Do you look at working out as
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  Speaker 2: entertainment or do you look at working out as.
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  Speaker 1: This? This to me is a chore. I mean, God,
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  Speaker 1: God bless me. Missy Beavers and all those people that
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  Speaker 1: would come and where I'm sure she she impacted people's
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  Speaker 1: lives or that. We've heard this over and over and
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  Speaker 1: over again. And David, look, I'm going to just throw
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  Speaker 1: this out there just to begin this conversation. Given everything
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  Speaker 1: that she did to help other people relative to their
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  Speaker 1: their physical life, all right, to try to improve them. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take the reins of it. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: out there. I'm going to set this thing up. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you show up. I'm going to be there every day,
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  Speaker 1: come rain or come shine. By the way, it had
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  Speaker 1: been raining hard that night. She said, we do not cancel,
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  Speaker 1: and they were going to do it indoors.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you know all the plan was. They did
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  Speaker 2: it in the parking lot. The arrangement for Camp Gladiator
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  Speaker 2: that Missy Beavers did. And by the way, her husband
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  Speaker 2: actually Brandon talked to about the people who did this,
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  Speaker 2: who joined Missy Beaver's class, they were called campers that
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  Speaker 2: is the way they related to them as their campers,
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  Speaker 2: and they referred to them, I mean Brandon as well
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  Speaker 2: as Missy called them our campers. And so the campers
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  Speaker 2: would arrive at five am, which means that you know,
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  Speaker 2: Missy had to be there forty five minutes to an
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  Speaker 2: hour beforehand to get things set up. As you mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: they normally did it in the parking lot, but because
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  Speaker 2: of the torrential rains and by the way, it was
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  Speaker 2: severe enough in mid Lothian, Texas where it had, the
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  Speaker 2: weather had actually changed people's behavior because it just wasn't
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  Speaker 2: something that they were used to having, you know, in
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  Speaker 2: several days of nasty, rainy weather, and so moving it
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  Speaker 2: indoors was something that Missy was able to arrange. And
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  Speaker 2: that's where we begin, and you and I both started
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  Speaker 2: talking about this show, this particular case when it happened.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about April eighteenth of twenty sixteen. That's when
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  Speaker 2: you and I first heard of this case. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, saw the video. You have a case where
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  Speaker 2: Missy Beavers arrives at the church to set things up
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  Speaker 2: and a camper finds her just after five am, finds
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  Speaker 2: her body dead. Well, she was declared dead by the
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  Speaker 2: paramedics that showed up. But the first call to nine
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  Speaker 2: one one was at five point ten and it was
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  Speaker 2: somebody's hurt, bad show.
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  Speaker 1: Up, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And then the police as they're investigating, they released the
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  Speaker 2: video that we saw. The video surveillance was from inside
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  Speaker 2: the church, and the first thing we all saw a
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  Speaker 2: we know Missy Beavers is dead. B we have video
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  Speaker 2: of a person walking through this church that is not
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  Speaker 2: just the suspect. This is the probable killer of Missy Beavers.
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  Speaker 2: And how often do we have video of that medicine?
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  Speaker 1: Never That's and you know I'd mentioned to you I've
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  Speaker 1: had these weird confluences, David, through throughout my uh my
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  Speaker 1: contact with Nancy Grace. For some reason, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why it happened. But going back to our hl N
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  Speaker 1: days where I would appear as her forensics guy, there
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  Speaker 1: were there are a number of these cases where I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was on air with her the first night a
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  Speaker 1: particular case was presented. This is one of them. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why it's so baffling because, uh, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: our off air discussions, I was telling you, look, that
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  Speaker 1: night after I had covered this with Nancy because this
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  Speaker 1: is the first night we had the video, and it
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  Speaker 1: was the first night that I heard Nancy use the
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  Speaker 1: term slew footed, and I'd heard slew footed my entire life.
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  Speaker 1: You know, for people to turn turn me, well, it
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  Speaker 1: means that you you turn your feet out. It almost
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  Speaker 1: looks like a duck walk. You turn your feet out
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  Speaker 1: as you're as you're you know, ambulating a law. It's
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  Speaker 1: very distinctive posture. And there's all kinds of things that
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  Speaker 1: forensic foot where people look at relative to how feet
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  Speaker 1: strike the ground, wear patterns on shoes and boots, and
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  Speaker 1: all these sorts of things. The impressions you live leave
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  Speaker 1: in the mud are in fact, and not to mention
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  Speaker 1: that you think about the weight distribution of people. So
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  Speaker 1: it really stood out that night. That was just one
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  Speaker 1: of the little indicators that for me all these years
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  Speaker 1: seven years day is it seven years? It is seven years?
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  Speaker 1: I think seven years since this eight years there you go,
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  Speaker 1: since this occurred, and I just I knew that night, Look,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be somebody that is going to
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  Speaker 1: be found out. Going back to the original you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know underlying thesis here. If you think about
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  Speaker 1: what she's doing who's gonna who's going to kill this woman? Right?
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  Speaker 1: And that sounds here, Yeah, that's the thing, because.
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  Speaker 2: You're looking at a woman who's forty five years old,
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  Speaker 2: has three kids, married and has been for a while,
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  Speaker 2: and she's murdered by at her before her class is
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  Speaker 2: set to begin. So the first thing that you and
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  Speaker 2: I and everybody else that was working on we saw
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  Speaker 2: the video of the positive probable murderer walking through a
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  Speaker 2: church building with a long hammer. And we'll get into
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  Speaker 2: this in a minute, but we see the video of
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  Speaker 2: the possible suspect, the person that committed the murder, and
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  Speaker 2: we know, well, we've got a lot of evidence here
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  Speaker 2: pointing at who's guilty of this crime. But we also
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  Speaker 2: have an individual that is walking through the church wearing
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  Speaker 2: an outfit that looks like well not it looks like
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  Speaker 2: it actually says police across the front best and it
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  Speaker 2: appears to be police swat tactical gear, including a helmet
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  Speaker 2: that this individual is wearing. So back up, It's four
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  Speaker 2: sixteen in the morning when Missy Beavers arrives at the
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  Speaker 2: church and the video shows her unpacking things from her
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  Speaker 2: truck and bringing it inside the church. We have the
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  Speaker 2: video of the surveillance video of the person walking through
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  Speaker 2: the church, and then we have the student the camper
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  Speaker 2: arriving and calling nine to oneint one our instructor is down,
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  Speaker 2: and police arrive. She is pronounced dead at the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Now we have the surveillance video that police released right away,
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  Speaker 2: mainly because this is pretty big evidence and they didn't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the first day or so, they hadn't
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  Speaker 2: figured out who did it yet, so they released this
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  Speaker 2: portions of it because the individual, and you said slew footed.
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  Speaker 2: The person that is in the video has a very
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  Speaker 2: distinctive gait gai t And it's not a term we
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  Speaker 2: use very often to describe something, but it means the
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  Speaker 2: way a person walks. I have an odd walk sometimes
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  Speaker 2: because of my back, will have an odd walk because
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  Speaker 2: they have an injury that it's only a temporary walk,
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  Speaker 2: and that was something that investigators had to consider. Is
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  Speaker 2: this a person who has this weird gait all the
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  Speaker 2: time or are they recovering from an injury that has
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  Speaker 2: created this gate. The whole thing the police are thinking
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  Speaker 2: is somebody will notice this. Somebody will see this video
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  Speaker 2: and say, hey, that looks like Joseph Scott Morgan I
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  Speaker 2: saw him at the grocery store the other day.
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  Speaker 1: He was walking like that. Somebody's going to call that in. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's very it's very distinctive. It's one of these things
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  Speaker 1: that you know, you could say, how many let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you something. Okay, we go to any you know,
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  Speaker 1: any box store or anything like that. I won't mention
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  Speaker 1: any names, but you know, like their initials are Walmart. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So you go to someplace like a Walmart or you
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  Speaker 1: go to your local grocery store. How many? How many
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  Speaker 1: times do you pay attention to the way people walk.
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  Speaker 2: Only when they won't get out of my way?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, and you're wondering, Well, the first assessment
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  Speaker 1: that you do is like, well are they encumbered by something?
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  Speaker 2: Is there something to be?
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  Speaker 1: And so you're you're wondering, You're wondering here is this?
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  Speaker 1: Is this how they normally you know, walk? And the
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  Speaker 1: interesting thing and we you know, I uh, full credit
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  Speaker 1: to Nancy here because she had me on just this
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  Speaker 1: past week talking about this case. She had brought up
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  Speaker 1: the potential for an injury, you know, relative to how
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  Speaker 1: this person was stepping, and it was fascinating she she
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  Speaker 1: actually had a forensic pediatrist on air with us. This
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  Speaker 1: guy is fascinating and forgive me, his name just flew
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  Speaker 1: out of my brain, but he his assessment relative to
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  Speaker 1: this was quite was quite fascinating. And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that the totality of the evidence rest in a way
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  Speaker 1: somebody might happen to stride on any particular day or
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  Speaker 1: strike the ground with their heel or their toe or
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  Speaker 1: maybe the arch area of their foot. But I know this,
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  Speaker 1: this case, with all of the evidence that we're about
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  Speaker 1: to talk about, and with this strange gait, remains open
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  Speaker 1: and unsolved. I personally, I have never put on any
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  Speaker 1: kind of tactical police gear in my life. None. You
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  Speaker 1: wear stuff or back in my day when Sorcer on
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  Speaker 1: the earth, he wore stuff in the army that you know,
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  Speaker 1: I guess could be considered was combat gear. What tactical gear?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: You know that consisted of a couple of suspenders, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a web belt as they called it, with m O
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  Speaker 1: pax and all that stuff. But this is something different,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I'm looking at at the clothing that this
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  Speaker 1: person on the videography is wearing, and the pediatriss that
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned just a few months ago that did an
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  Speaker 1: assessment on this, on this this outfit, that this individual had.
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  Speaker 2: A doctor's name, the pediatrist show that you were looking for.
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  Speaker 2: His name is doctor Michael Nyrenberg.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Nyberg. Hey, that's why I love you, Dave. You're
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  Speaker 1: always there, You're ready with the ready with the info.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, because he deserves a lot of credit here.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you. He you know, he went
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  Speaker 1: to his local police department and asked if he could
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  Speaker 1: videotape people that were dressed out in full kit as
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  Speaker 1: they call it, and then he put the kid on.
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  Speaker 1: You know what he said the same way, Dave, it
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  Speaker 1: approximated forty pounds. Well imagine that, can you? Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: it's got a tactical vest which I guess has probably
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  Speaker 1: got plates in it, you know, like bulletproof plates that
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  Speaker 1: you find on the post ear and the anterior aspect.
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  Speaker 1: And then not to mention, you know, any kind of
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  Speaker 1: med kits, ammo, all the stuff that they flashlights, all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. And he said, and that changes the gate.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that Nancy's talked about is height comparison,
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  Speaker 1: which is fascinating to me, where you know, how agencies
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  Speaker 1: can take a rendering or can take a snap of
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  Speaker 1: an individual in front of a doorframe. A doorframe is
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  Speaker 1: a known it's a known, it's you get an idea
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  Speaker 1: of height and width of this thing, and so they
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  Speaker 1: can approximate heights with this. This pediatrist actually stated that
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  Speaker 1: based upon the weight, it's going to perhaps compress your height.
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  Speaker 1: So it might actually alter your height to a certain degree.
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  Speaker 1: Now you know he deals with this sort of thing
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  Speaker 1: every single day, you know, where they're having to make
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  Speaker 1: adjustments to the feet and all these sorts of things,
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  Speaker 1: special orthotics and all of that, and I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: he's probably worked with all manner of ostia pass out there.
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  Speaker 1: When you think about this, that it could alter the
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  Speaker 1: height of somebody if they divested themselves of this rig
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  Speaker 1: that they're wearing, could their height change by half an inch? Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you know they say that
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  Speaker 1: astronauts get shorter when there when they go into space.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but they get taller or I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: about divers, people that go that dive at deep desks
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  Speaker 1: for depths for a protracted period of top.
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  Speaker 2: But the suit you're talking about weighing the kit weighing
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  Speaker 2: forty pounds itself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in the.
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  Speaker 2: Pictures of the surveillance video of the individual. That, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, police released certain videos right a couple of
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  Speaker 2: days into the investigation, when they didn't have a suspect,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't put a name to a suspect, and in
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  Speaker 2: a couple of days they released more of the video.
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  Speaker 2: I want to add two things. One, the surveillance video
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  Speaker 2: only is from the inside of the church. The surveillance
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  Speaker 2: cameras outside the church were not working, but inside the
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  Speaker 2: church police did see how the individual got in. Now
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  Speaker 2: we know that Missy Beaver's arrived around four to sixteen am,
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  Speaker 2: and police have told us that they saw cameras on
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  Speaker 2: the inside showing this person breaking into the church at
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  Speaker 2: three point fifty am in full tactical gear. And I
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  Speaker 2: keep saying this person because at first police were certain
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  Speaker 2: it was a man, as I was the first time
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  Speaker 2: I watched it. It's only in watching the video a
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  Speaker 2: couple of different times that you look at this and
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  Speaker 2: think this might be a woman. Now police were able
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  Speaker 2: to determine that he or she the person broke into
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  Speaker 2: the building. They're not telling us how, just saying that
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  Speaker 2: it was a forced entry, right, and we also are
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  Speaker 2: going to tell you that police have never released the
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  Speaker 2: attack on Missy Beavers.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's there though, isn't it day Yes, it is.
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  Speaker 1: They have the video.
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  Speaker 2: It just serves no purpose to release it to the public,
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  Speaker 2: right and you know, furryan interest don't need to be served.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to find out the suspect. Anything other than
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  Speaker 2: that would just be damaging to her children, her family
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  Speaker 2: and people who cared about her. I didn't know what happened.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, they do have that though, and I'm imagining
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  Speaker 2: at some point if it comes up at trial, that
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  Speaker 2: that could be brought in because it would have something
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  Speaker 2: to do about the injury sustained by Missy Beavers, the height,
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  Speaker 2: the weight of the individual that did this crime. But Joe,
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  Speaker 2: as we were watching this video of the surveillance video,
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  Speaker 2: it appears that the person that comes into this building
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  Speaker 2: is breaking windows, is looking around at door opening doors
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  Speaker 2: and things like that. Does it appear to you that
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  Speaker 2: this individual is waiting for Missy Beavers to arrive, that
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  Speaker 2: this person knows she's going to arrive before five am,
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  Speaker 2: And does person is lying in wait by creating a mess?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And look how in the heck do you? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this has been my contention all along, Dave. If you
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  Speaker 1: have an individual that knows and you have to you
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  Speaker 1: kind of have to factor this in to the equation.
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  Speaker 1: They have to know that Missy is going to be
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  Speaker 1: going there. They have to know that. And here's the
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  Speaker 1: chilling part that I think that the workout had been
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  Speaker 1: moved from outdoors to indoors. Okay, that's very intimate knowledge, day,
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  Speaker 1: but how can you how do you how do you
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  Speaker 1: marry all that up and and not narrow your field
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  Speaker 1: any further than it's been narrowed. Because it's interesting to
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  Speaker 1: know that this message had been had been sent out
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  Speaker 1: relative to relative to visa Facebook, you know, and it
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  Speaker 1: was You wonder if it's a hidden group, protected group,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that that sort of thing where it's it's
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  Speaker 1: only limited to or could the public see this? And
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  Speaker 1: if so, who in that group that would have been
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  Speaker 1: going might have passed that information on, not knowing that
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  Speaker 1: they had passed it on to someone that had an
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  Speaker 1: in for Missy. Is it a randomized attack? I can't
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  Speaker 1: imagine that it is, because the person showed showed up
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  Speaker 1: prior to Missy's arrival. So the new timeframe. They're going
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  Speaker 1: around their checking thiss. They're casing the joint, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: to try to assess if there was anybody else in
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  Speaker 1: the building. But boyd, did they really take a risk
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  Speaker 1: by knocking a window out, you know, to gain access
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  Speaker 1: in that way? That gives you the idea of how
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  Speaker 1: motivated they were in order to do this. I'm going
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to break something in order to make entry. But they're
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: being very safe in the sense that they've got this
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: their kit on their faces obscured, they're wearing gloves, you
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: never see who they are, and and the fact that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: they're all kitted up. There's two things to take away
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: from that. First off, if you're wearing police gear, which
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the thingk says police on the chest and the back,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: are you looking to blend in? Are you looking to
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: be in a garment that is not going to make
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you more suspicious? Or maybe taking her unaware? Hey I'm
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: with the police. We got a call here, and you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: can creep up on her. You know, you can take
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the victim, you know, by surprise. Even more, you're adding
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: another layer of the unknown there also, did they have
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: knowledge of indwelling cameras inside of this place? So they
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: have to protect their face, so they would have knowledge
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of not just the timetable, but also points of view
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: in this environment. And the fact that the cameras were
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: not working outside. Oh my gosh, that is I can
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: only imagine that when when the police heard that, their
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: heart must have sunk, and the people that are in
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: charge of the cameras, they're probably like, oh my gosh,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: why do we even have these things on the outside
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: of the church.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I never really thought about the kit, wearing the kit
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: inside Joe, but you know, wearing that full kit. If
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: somebody was in the building for some reason other than
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Missy Beavers and he or she came upon that person,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: they would be wearing, you know, the full body kit
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: and would actually have the upper hands say we got
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: a call and we came to check it out. Sorry,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: you know, and then they could kill that person. That
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: person would be If I saw somebody in swat tactical
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: gear with police written across the front, I would give
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: it a second look of oh, okay, I'm good.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not worried.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: If it's a person that just comes in there swinging
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: a big hammer, you know, dressed in regular gear, yeah,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I'm immediately defensive. But somebody in a swat that says police,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not really taking it back. I'm kind of comforted
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: by the fact that I've got cops on hand in
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: case there is something that went wrong. I didn't that
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: did not occur to me till now.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I got to throw something else at you too. That
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that's that's fascinating to me about this. Now the video
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: is okay, I mean it's not. We've certainly seen worse,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: haven't we. I mean, you know, for a goodly portion
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: of my career, shameless plug coming up here, I wore
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: five to eleven gear, which is a uh it's it's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: clothing that is made for people, for people in uh
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: police work. It's got interesting positions for pockets, you can
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: carry all kinds of things in it in you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: in the pants. They have shirts, and they're they're made
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: for people that are going out kind of in the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: rough and tumble world of working cases. They're you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's like a it's they're almost they're made out
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of the same thing. Well, they appear to be made
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: out of same thing as like many of them that
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: come in a variety of but just think old military
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: khaki uniform forms. But they come in multiple colors. You know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you got forest green, you got blue, the police blue,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: You've got black khaki color and all these sorts of things. Dave,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I wore five to eleven
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: pants for a long long time. It takes a while
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to break these things in. And I got to tell
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you when I'm taking a look at this clothing, this
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: this gear looks new. It doesn't it doesn't have wear
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: on it, you know, like if you if because I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: think some people have entertained the idea, well, is this
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a police officer that just happened to have this gear
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and they just pull it out of their unit, put
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it on, and they go and assassinate this woman and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: one of the most brutal methodologies that you can bring
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to bear. You look at that and you begin to think, well, uh,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: did was it a police officer? It looks like something
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that has been ordered recently. And again that's another thread
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: relative to this tactical gear. There are limited numbers of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: places that you can purchase this from. And knowing what
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I know of the FEDS, okay, and we've talked about
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: this clothing with the FEDS, they do a big focus
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: FBI Lab does on identifying clothing, you know, button collections,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: zipper collections, specific brands of clothing. And I really wonder
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: how deep down that rabbit hole they went relative to
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: all of those items that are being worn and going
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: back and tracing all this stuff. Now, I know that
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: other people have commented on this, but I think that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: that is certainly an area that would narrow narrow your
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: field down here thinking about thinking about the origin of
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: this and this is a smallmmunity. So if you can extrapolate,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you know, from that image specific branding, considering that it
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: might be new, and did someone go to a shop
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: because you know they're only they're only twenty five miles
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: from Dallas Dave. There are police supply stores all over
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the place. All right, did they roll into a store
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: or did they have it delivered to their house? And
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: you're going to draw attention this way, So you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that's another fascinating area of evidence here. And I think
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: that when this case, hopefully it's eventually solved, we're going
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to find out a lot about that that we don't
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: have to this point. But to that end, when you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: look at this gear that they're wearing, you know what
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't see a pistol belt. I
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: don't see a weapon that is there that would end
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Missy's life in a quick and efficient manner. The weapon
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I do see is perhaps one of the most ghastly
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: implements that you could use to perpetrate a crime like this.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine what it would be like to be
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the finder, and a finder in our terms in the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: medical legal world, we actually have a place on most
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of our documents. There's kind of a standard sheet that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you fill out in a medical legal death investigation, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: there's a place that's listed on these documents that say finder.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Some will say finder of remains. I cannot even begin
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to imagine being the finder of Missy's remains, particularly given
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that it was one of her, as you said, Dave,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: one of her campers, students who you know, let's face it,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Missy was probably driving her very hard. She probably respected
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Missy and was trying to help her get better physically.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it would be like to walk
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: in and you're there prepared that day to work out,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you know that it's been moved inside, you're ad to
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: rock and roll, and can you imagine just looking down
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: at the floor and seeing seeing your instructor's body, a term.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: That we used, stumbled stumbled upon, that's the term that
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: is used. And because we don't know what we know
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: so much about this crime and so little about the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: actual act.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Of the crime.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if time I've ever seen the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: video of a suspect before the act took place like
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: we did on this one, which is why you and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I are many many others who covered the case thought,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: surely this is going to be solved quickly. You've got
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: a married woman working out people early in the morning hours,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: and there are going to be plenty of suspects. You're
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: going to be able to filter those out and boom,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: we're going to have this solved in forty eight hours.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: But it didn't happen. And when police released the video
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: of showing her his or her gait the tackle gear,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: you said it looked like maybe it was brand new.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: It didn't look like it had really been worn much
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the outfit that the suspect is wearing. But when the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: camper stumbles across the body of Missy Beavers, the chaos
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that ensued in that person's mind and calling for help
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: calling nine one one. There are actually two nine one
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: one calls made. We don't know the content of either one,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: except that there was chaos in finding the body of Missy.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Beavers and police were on the way right away and
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: she was pronounced dead at the scene. But what we
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: were told, Joe, is that while we saw the suspect
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: walking through the halls of the building, that the suspect
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: had a long hammer. Is what it was described as
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a long hammer, and that's what we were led to believe,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: was not led to believe, actually told that was the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: murder weapon. But around Missy's body, we haven't seen pictures
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of this, just so you know, I know they exist,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: but we haven't seen them. Around her body were other tools,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: and all of the tools were from the church, meaning
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that this suspect did not show up, as you mentioned,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: did not have a gun belt on. But this suspect
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: did not show up with the tools that were found
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: around Missy's body. We don't know how many, but we
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: know that it was plural tools and it appeared that
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: she had been hit in the head and chest with
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the hammer. But they talk they being the police and
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: medical professionals, and the autopsy at least the parts that
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: we've seen, they refer to puncture wounds.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Joe, and having.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Done this show with you long enough now I know
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: that what some people call a puncture wound is not
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: necessarily how you refer to a puncture wound. And I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: certainly couldn't figure out, other than using the claw end
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: of a hammer, how to create a puncture wound into
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: a person's body or head for that matter. So I'm
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: hoping that based on the limiteds off that we have
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: about the death scene, that you can explain what happened.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: You know, when we talk about tools that are laying
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: about the body, let's start there just for a second,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: because that gives you an endation. If they're approximating the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: body and they were from the church, then that means
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that those implements are not burglary tools, because when people
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: burglarize a structure, people don't know this maybe, but you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: it's just like a carpenter. If you're a professional thief,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you have a tool set that you use. You get
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: used to those tools. You know what they feel like.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: You can actually find them in the dark, just feeling
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the contents of a bag, and they'll have a kit
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: that they carry with them. So if this is something
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that was acquired within the church, that goes out of
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: all the ways that this person was seemingly prepared as
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: far as timeline, clothing, all of this sort of thing.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: They show up, they acquire tools from inside this place. Well,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: how would you know where in the world to go
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: into this Church of Christ, this kind of far flung area,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: even though it's twenty five miles from Dallas, it's out.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, once you get out from Dallas, there's a
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: whole lot of out Okay, if you've never been there,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of out out there, which.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Means mid Lothian is a like from a community standpoint,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's self content is not just a suburb
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of Dallas. It is a self contained area that when
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: you live in this area, you're not really required to
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: drive a whole lot of distance to find whatever you need.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: It can all be dealt.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: With right there.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: But you have access to the big city life of
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: a top market like Dallas for it worth, Yeah.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you do. And you know any basic basic needs
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: can probably be met there. Okay, but you know you
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: think about why were these other tools there, and then
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that goes to this idea of this so called long hammer.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: When they're saying long hammer. Now I can only base
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: this upon what I am visualizing in in the videography.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: When you consider this long hammer, it looks as though
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: when you say long hammer, or you wonder if they're
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: saying the handle is long, because it does look longer
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: than you would normally see for a hammer, you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a standard claw hammer that you know a carpenter might use,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: or that you just use around your house just to
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: hang pictures with hammers come in all shapes and sizes.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: But Dave, you know what really struck me about the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: structure of this thing. It was not the long handle.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: It was the head of this thing. When I saw this,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and I remember thinking about this many years ago, it
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: looked to me almost like a geology hammer that you
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: would see out in the field. That was my first blush,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: because it looked like it had the regular head of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a hammer, the business end of the hammer, as you will,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: but on the backside where you would normally have a claw.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I swear, Dave, this thing that looked like it had
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: a pick on the end of it. It did, you know?
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: And I can't I can't appreciate it fully. And you know,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: if you've never seen a geology hammer, they're used for
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: chipping away stone, all right, and for accessing particular areas
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: that are different difficult for geologists to get in. And
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: they need both a wide a wide surface to strike with,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: and then they need a very pointed surface to strike with.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: So I was thinking relative to these puncture wounds that
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: were going that they have stated now that she had sustained,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and they were about the head and the chest. Puncture
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: wounds can be generated in any any number ways. As
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a matter of fact, let me kind of let me
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: give you an insight into the tiniest puncture wound you
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: can have. Did you know, do you know what the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: what the acronym for or what the acronym NPW stands
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: for no needle puncture wound. So if like, if we're
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: examining a body, you know, like somebody that has odd
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: or somebody that's had therapeutic intervention in a hospital, and
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you look at their arms, okay, if they've got little
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: areas there where a needle has ended, that's actually a
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: puncture one, okay. And generally how it's defined is that
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: you have to have some type of leading pointed sharp
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: edge on it. Now you can't have I've had impalements
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: over the years where I've had people that have dropped
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: onto cast iron fencing. I've had people that have had
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: logs driven through their body, and those technically are puncture
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: wounds or impalements with associated puncture ones. But they're saying
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: multiple puncture wounds here, and you have to think about
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: what does that mean, because if it if you were
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: used that hammer and you're using what we commonly refer
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to as the business end of the hammer, that blended area,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you're going to have a strike that will lacerate the skin,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: It'll tear the skin, and also, particularly with head strikes,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: you're going to have underlying fractures and these things will
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: be very robust. Dave hammer attacks are some of the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: most brutal that you can ever encounter out out in
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the field. With a puncture wound, it doesn't look like
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a stab wound. These are not stabs, all right. Even
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: though a blade, which is what stab wounds are associated with,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: has a leading pointed edge, it also broadens out as
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the knife or the sharp instrument. It could be a machedy,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: a sword, a knife as it enters the body, it
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: will make a slit, like a slit like insult to
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the body. There was a period of time in my
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: career where I worked several cases involving homeless people that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: have taken rebar off of partially collapsed buildings, cut them
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: off and wrapped one end of the rebar with duct
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: tape and filed the tip of steel rebar down so
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: that it makes a very sharp point and they can
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: carry in their pocket like a shift you know, like
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you see in prison. And the interesting thing about now,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: those are puncture wounds. The interesting thing about it is
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: when you essentially insert this into somebody's body, guess what
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: it looks like. Looks like gunshot wound because it's that caliber.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: So when they're saying puncture wound, this is very very specific. Now,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: are there other things out there that could create a
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: puncture womb? Well, I've heard some people mentioned the term
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: screwdriver is a screwed as a street.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but let me back up, could you say screwdriver?
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Joe?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: And we have covered this story again as I mentioned
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: a minute ago, you run with the Nancy Grace, Yeah,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: on her by the way, shameless plug. Nancy had her
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: show is now on the network that Doctor Phil has
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: launched Merritt Street Media, And on that show, you heard
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Something by Scott Brooks. Scott Brooks is a friend of
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Missy Beaver's husband and has been for a long Brandon
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Beaver's and Brandon Beaver sat down with Scott Brooks and
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: did a long form interview. He hasn't talked to police
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: much over the last several years. I mean, he has
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: not talked to the public much over the last several years.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: And here coming up on the eight year anniversary or
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: marking of her murder, Brandon sat down with Scott Brooks
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: and these things came out. So Scott Brooks was booked
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: onto the show as a guest along with you and
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: miss and Nancy Grace, and he said, the screwdriver, this
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: is not anything I had ever heard. And I've covered
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: this story since it began, Joe, and the only thing
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I had ever heard until Nancy Gray show this past
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: week was that long hammered that he or she was
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: carrying throughout the building. That's what I thought was the weapon.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: But then Scott Brooks says it's a screwdriver. That's a
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: big difference to me.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Joe it is, and screwdriver injuries are going to be Now, Okay,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: first off, we have to categorize the screwdriver because as
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: you and I both know honeydew List, right, Yeah, if
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: are you using a Phillips or are you using a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: flathead traditional screwdriver? Okay, those two injuries are going to
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: look different, all right. So if you think about a
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Phillips which comes to a very distinct point on the end,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that again can generate a classic look puncture wound. And
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: so if you get those in tight well, I don't
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: want to get off into that yet, because there's a
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: whole there's a whole, a whole profile that comes up
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: with puncture wounds like this in a very intimate space.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: But those injuries generated by safer instance, a classic Phillips
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: head screwdriver are going to appear completely different than safer instance,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a flathead. And as a matter of fact, do you
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: know what they call the tip of a flathead screwdriver?
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: They call it a blade. It's actually referred Yeah, that's
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: actually referred to a blade. And you think about it,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and you put it in the slot, and you can
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: tighten and you can loosen and all that sort of thing.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: It's not as ergonomically effective, I don't think as a Phillips.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: That's why Phillips was developed. And there have been other
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: iterations of these things a long way.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Like you and me know that the butter knife also
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: can serve as a bit it can used on this,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: yes it can. And spoons work real well too, as
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: a matter of fact, but that's I guess. I just
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: had never heard screw to ever mentioned in this case at.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: All, and I had neither, and so I was And
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons I kind of wanted to
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: explore this with you because when he drops this information,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and I know that there are a lot of people
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: out there that have been following this case for years.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe other people have heard this and maybe other people
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: have commented on it, but from a forensic standpoint, it
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: is very unique. I, like you, had always thought that
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it was the hammer and to facilitate this kind of
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: multiple injuries. And here's the other thing. Day. Now, this
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: goes into the nature of this attack. Bludgeonings and knife attacks,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: sharp force injury attacks, as you and I have discussed,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: are the most intimate of all kinds of homicides. It's
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: not like you're shooting somebody from across the room, Dave.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And again we go back to what did I say
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: earlier in the video. I'm seeing there, I ain't wearing
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: a gun belt. Doesn't mean they don't have a gun
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: on them. I'm just saying I didn't show up with
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: a gun to dispatch Missy. And I'm not going to
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: use the term humane in a quick manner. Okay, this
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: is not like we're talking about headshot, all right. We're
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: talking about being in her space. We're talking about being
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: up close and personal. Maybe after you've gotten the upper hand,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: because this person obviously weighs more than Missy. Now Missy
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: is you know, she's well defined, she's in shape. But
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: if that person got leverage on her and got her
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: down to the ground and starts attacking her with the
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: scene which I worked hammer attacks before, where the individual
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: was on top of the individual just pounding away, this
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: is going to be markedly gruesome. And what you're going
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: to see is you'll see perhaps and this is kind
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: of the way we interpret these things. Many times, if
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: there's an initial attack with an instrument, you might have,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: you might have weapons or injuries that are kind of
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: diffuse Okay, they're away from a central area. That might
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: be the initial injuries because you're trying to wound the person.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: But once they get wounded, say they grip an area
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: like a shoulder or something like that. After they've been injured,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, the perpetrator, who has a
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: tremendous amount of will about them, wrestles this individual to
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: the floor. Now you're on top of them, and these
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: injuries suddenly become concentrated. Day almost like a shot group
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: with finding a pistol where you're trying to tighten that
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: group down. Well, now you're right on top above them.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: You're driving this instrument into her body over and over
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: and Dave, here's the thing. It wasn't like it was
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: just driven into her chest. We're talking about she's got
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: these puncture wounds to her head. That you're off into
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: a completely different area here, because now you're in an
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: area that could imply disfigurement, maiming, destruction, those sorts of
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: things where you're trying to really damage her to the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: point you're not just simply trying to end her life
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: at this point in time. And again we're left with
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: again more questions than answers, because we don't know the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: specifics around the case, as far as some of the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: more pointed bits of evidence along the way that the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: police do know. I'm still baffled. I think to this
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: point that we're given a very small population in this area,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: at a very specific location, at a very specific time,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and with a very apparently concentrated attack on this woman
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: with something that could be termed not the most merciful
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: way to kill somebody. And we're talking about a person
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that showed up prepared, prepared from the perspective of understanding
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: what was going on outside the church, in that the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: classes had been moved indoors, they knew about the weather,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: they knew that it was happening at that particular time,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: and they're wearing very specific garb. It seems as though
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: that there is a huge collection of breadcrumbs here. I
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: just don't know if they found the path to quite
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: follow yet. I'm Josephcott Morgan and this is body packs.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.