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Episode 133: "Red Flag" Anakin Skywalker Moments · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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It's most things Kenobi and don't try.
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At Anakin, we always have the high ground.
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Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all
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things Star Wars. I'm your host, Leanne.
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And I'm your host, Lauren. And I'm so excited because we're
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talking about my man. No, not that man, the other man.
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No, not that man, the other man, because they're all my man's.
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We're talking about Anakin, but in the sense of red flags.
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What were the red flags? What weren't the red flags?
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Yeah, narrow it down a little more.
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In fact, we each picked 3 but we didn't tell each other what they
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are, so we may have overlaps, as we often do.
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Yeah, I wondered if we would. I don't know if I if I like, win
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a skew with mine or not, or if I like or just walked right into
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the same ones that you had while I was picking, but.
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I just went with my favorites because I love these moments.
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I these moments I told you when we were setting up, I could
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rewatch these moments over and over and over because I'm a sick
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bastard, because they're really not nice.
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None of these are nice. It's not nice behavior.
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Some of them are actually kind of hard to watch.
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And you know, we could also get into red flags with just Padme.
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Oh yeah. Like take out all the other
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moments and just focus on red flag moments between him and
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Padme. That would be a whole other
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episode. Seriously.
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I mean if if it's. Awkward.
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We often talk in society about red flags in like a
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relationship. You know what the hell, Padme?
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What I just. Love his blind.
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Is it? Does it need to be Put some
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fucking spectacles on, girl? I mean, he's hot, yes, but OK.
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But let's start with the definition of a red flag, in
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Case No one's aware. Good idea.
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In its most basic term, it is used as a warning of danger.
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OK, yes. Now you mentioned relationships,
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and in that realm it's a sign of toxic or abusive or just
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toxicity in general. You know, things that make you
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go, oh, back away. Maybe we're not compatible.
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Yeah, yeah, maybe this isn't the man or woman for me, but in my
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line of work I also have another definition which I don't think
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anyone knows. A red flag warning, which is
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actually issued in the event of high fire weather conditions,
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means that there are conditions that are high, like high fire
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danger, which I find which I find ironic if we're talking
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about Atkin cause I've never put the two together.
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How this goes really well with your location mount Etna from
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last. Right, right.
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The the history behind this is that they would wave a red flag
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to fire wildland firefighters to tell them that conditions today
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are extra dangerous, right. It's also used for beach
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warnings, so dangerous surf, dangerous waves, you know that.
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That whole thing. Yeah, so I guess we as a society
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just associate red with danger and fear and.
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Which is, Which is odd, because you always hear about marketing
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and how they want red in the marketing.
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Like like McDonald's, for instance.
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Everyone knows McDonald's and that it's red with golden
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arches, and red is supposed to make you hungrier.
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Is it like? The Doritos bag is red because
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it's supposed to make you hungry or it's like this weird
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psychological thing. So, I don't know, maybe Padme
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was just hungry. Anakin was spicy.
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Nacho Cheesy and Obi Wan is the Cool Ranch.
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Oh man, that's so funny. They are built like Doritos.
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You ever see that picture of a Dorito held up and it's like
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Chris Evans body from the shoulders down to his waist?
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That's Obi Wan and Anakin. He is.
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We have always said that you and I, ever since watching Clone
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Wars together, that he is a Dorito.
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So they are Doritos. So there you go.
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Red. Red everywhere.
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Red Delicious. And bad for you.
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Yes, stay away from Anakin, from Doritos.
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No, we have nothing against Doritos.
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We have nothing against any of this if.
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Doritos would like to sponsor us.
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We would take it. Cool Ranch included, which is
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not my favorite. But anyway, OK, derailed
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already. Let's get let's get back to
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Anakin. So I'm curious.
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I'm curious about your list. Yeah, but do you do you want to
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go first though? I don't know.
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I kind of do, Because my favorite one of my favorite
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moments in all of Clone Wars, is my first Red Flag moment.
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Well, you have to tell me what it is.
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It's when Anakin interrogates Poggle the Lesser.
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Yes. Did you have that or did you
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guess that I would have the? Honorable mention for me.
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Yeah. Is it OK when this first?
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Like, when it When I first saw this episode and this moment, I
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remember thinking, Oh my God, like it's so well done.
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Yeah. I think what I like most about
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this scene is he's Vader Ish from start to finish.
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So let me set it up. Ahsoka.
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All the stuff goes down with on Geonosis and Ahsoka and what's
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her name, Barris get buried. So all of this is like in the
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aftermath of that, correct? Yeah, it's the Brain Invaders
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episode, I think, where they're on the ship with worms.
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Yes, And they catch, poggle the lesser and he won't talk.
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And so I think like Mace and Obi Wan and everyone's trying to get
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the info from him. And so Anakin loses his patience
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red flag. A man with no patience or one
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that loses it very easily and turns to anger.
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He walks up with his hands behind his back, which is
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already very like a a dictator Y.
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Yeah, it's very Vader. It's very Vader.
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And then the guards let him in. So red flag, he's doing this on
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his own. No one approved it.
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He didn't care that no one. He was pissed off because it was
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his padawan and we know how he is with attachment, Red flag.
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And then he tries to do a Jedi mind trick, doesn't work.
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And then poggles sasses him back.
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You know that was. Really well done.
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Thank you. I don't know how Ianna can
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understood it, but it's it. He sassed.
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He sassed him back and he went. He just kind of thought, you
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know what? Fuck all this.
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I'll just choke him until he talks.
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I'll get the information from him, whereas no other Jedi could
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or would. Wouldn't do it that way.
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And that's the red flag, is the fact that he thought he could go
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beyond, you know, the rules and regs of of them having any sort
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of decorum with prisoners. And you know, he went with the
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quote by any means possible, End Quote, and thought it was OK
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because hey, look what it led to.
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He got the answers that nobody else did.
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But no, See, no, Anakin, stop. No.
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And while I understand that his intent once again was to get the
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thing they were after, he still went about it in the wrong way.
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Massive red flag and I fucking love every moment of it,
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including the Vader music that very subtly plays.
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I know they always just throw that in there in the undertone.
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I like to that Anakin. Make sure to not say how he got
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the information, but then. Yeah, that's another thing.
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He doesn't really ask either. Like Obi Wan is just kind of
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like if I don't ask, I don't have to reprimand him.
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I don't know. It but but it at the same time
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like is that OK that no one? Of course it's not.
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Yeah. They knew that he had to have
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done something None of them, none of the other ones would
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have done I you know. Yeah, I mean, yeah, if this was
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like the Geneva Convention, you know, where we have rules that
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we're supposed to follow so that people's rights aren't violated
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completely. I mean, it happens to Anakin
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later. And Padme's like, when Dooku
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captures Anakin and Padme's like, you can't torture A
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prisoner, you know, it's like, well, they're all doing it.
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Nobody's. Really.
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That righteous you know? I do.
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I do kind of feel bad for Poggle because he was a little
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arrogant. Yeah.
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He probably shouldn't have sassed the angriest Jedi that
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they have. But I mean to be that would be a
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surprise, you know? Yeah.
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You wouldn't be expecting that, that's for sure.
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No. So I don't.
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I don't really like that. I love a good force joke, but I
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don't like, you know, like, I don't want to chalk it up as
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torture, but it's along that line.
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I mean, it's like police brutality.
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It's inhumane. It's basically beating a
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confession from a suspect is what he's.
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Doing yes. Yeah.
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And he knew that he shouldn't have done it after the fact,
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'cause he didn't tell anybody. Exactly.
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So a non admission of guilt. Yeah, and he does that.
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As we're going to talk about this whole episode, he does it a
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lot. He he bends the rules when
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necessary so that when the time comes that it's a big deal, he
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still bends the rules. You know, if you're willing to
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do it under smaller circumstances, of course, his
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Galaxy or whatever, he says. Everyone in Revenge of the Sith,
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like his new Empire. It's like, yeah, I guess it's
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not so far fetched. He kept making these tiny
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excuses for himself the whole time.
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Yeah, and if you keep doing these things and nothing really
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happens. And in a sense, he's he's
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rewarded in the fact that he gets what he's after.
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Yeah. You know, and whether it's right
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or wrong, he still gets something.
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And so when that continues, you end up having the explosion of a
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human, like we end up having so. Right.
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That's a really good point. It's true.
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I I I don't. I don't know what they would
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have done to, like, punish him. How How do you punish a Jedi?
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I mean, they're probably afraid of him.
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Send them to the Citadel. Shit.
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Just kidding. That's a good.
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Point. I mean like with the person like
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Anakin, what do you do to and how?
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At what point does a punishment stop being effective and just
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makes a person angry and pushes them more towards the bad?
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Behavior thing. You know.
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That's the thing with Anakin. They all kind of just quietly
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just let it slide because to say something might be worse and
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that's bad. He needed therapy.
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Yeah. Have you ever lived around a
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person you have to walk on egg shells for?
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It is a nightmare. So yeah, definitely, definitely
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a red flag right there. Yeah, I just that that whole
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scene is full of. I mean, it's a very quick scene,
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50 seconds I think. From start to it's just it's a
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small little moment in the in the larger episode, but it's
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kind of important. I really got excited the first
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time I saw that. It was a like.
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I leaned forward on the couch. Kind of moment like.
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Yeah, I love that they're willing to go there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, enough about that.
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Well, you have. My first one is from Rayko
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Hardeen. Oh yeah, I mean, how could this
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not be included? Right.
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I mean there's so, so many moments.
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Like the first one that comes to mind is when he learns that Obi
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Wan's killer is at a bar and he's He and Ahsoka are sent to
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pick him up and he he basically threatens to kill the guy and
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says he's not going to kill him just because Obi Wan wouldn't
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want him to. And then later, there's like so
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many things he tries to strangle he He does a force joke on the
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Ethorian in the bar when he wants information.
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Come on, don't choke them. He wasn't even being that
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difficult. The guy just said, you know,
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it's not free information. And he's like, oh, but I just
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kill. You instead Ethorians are so.
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Drastic. They seem so very harmless.
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I know they're all so gentle. I know they can be assholes.
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There's some that are asshole characters, but like, do we need
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to just walk into a bar and start choking people?
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You've never seen one hurt another person.
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I've never seen it. Nope.
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Nope. Yeah, well and then there's the
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fight with him and Obi Wan where he thinks it's Rayko Hardeen and
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he says you're going to pay for what you did, this is for Obi
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Wan and then like goes to kill him.
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So clearly that what we discussed, we've discussed this
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many times, his attachment issues, that he's very
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emotionally invested, which is not unheard of.
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I mean it's not unnatural what he's feeling, but he cannot.
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Well, and the Emperor or the Chancellor is really egging him
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on during this whole arc saying that the Jedi don't trust you.
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I trust you. I trust your judgment.
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If you need to do this, go do it.
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And of course, it just gives Anakin permission.
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He takes it as permission to let these emotions control his
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behaviors, knowing it's not what Obi Wan would have wanted.
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No, but you know what the chancellor does?
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He made Anakin over and over and over.
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Think, See, I trust you. They don't.
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I understand you. They don't.
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Yeah, And that's enough for someone mentally fragile, where
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that's really important because a lot of this, especially this
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arc, starts the big time distrust.
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And I think the switch to Chancellor Palpatine gets me.
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They don't get me is really we've talked about this episode,
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I mean this arc, and it's it's just wild to think that the Jedi
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thought this was a good idea. I know, and I really.
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Want to agree to it? It's.
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Crazy. I rewatched the first, I don't
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know until Obi Wan be. Actually, I rewatched the first
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episode until Anakin takes Raikko Harding to jail.
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And I'm just really shocked, even though I've watched this
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episode many times, that they wanted to kill a Jedi and that
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Obi Wan agreed to making sure Anakin's pain sold the idea.
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That's really, really shitty. I mean.
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It is. It's bad.
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As much as I love Obi Wan, I just to think your friend would
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be willing to use all your vulnerability to achieve
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something greater. That is really cruel and you
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trust that person. You that trust would never be
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there again after. That no, it would be straight up
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betrayal, honestly, just I would feel betrayed.
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I would too. I would feel like nothing I ever
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did was safe around you, you know, You could use it against
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me at some point. So when you referenced that
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Anakin was ready to kill Rayko Hardeen and he said this is for
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Obi Wan for what you did or whatever.
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It's very ironic that then Vader says to Ahsoka and Rebels,
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Revenge is not the Jedi way, you know when?
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When he's literally in that moment about to take revenge.
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I know and there's. There's just.
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So many moments in this arc where Anakin will like enter a
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bar like Darth Vader. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I love his presence. Yeah.
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I'll just say. He just walks in and like,
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lights a lightsaber and he's like, don't fuck with me.
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A Rogue One hallway. Yes, and Oh my gosh, I kept
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thinking of him like marching into the room and like
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strangling. Reeva.
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Reeva. Yes.
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And she's like up in the air. And I just kept thinking, this.
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Is that Anakin? My perfect breakfast involves a
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cup of coffee, a piece of avocado toast and that scene.
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I'm not lying. Like watching it or having it
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happen to you. Do I have to choose?
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I mean, I'm so messed up. Oh God, all of our patrons are
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like, nodding like Yep, Yep, Yep.
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Makes sense, the tracks. There's our Leanne, and maybe
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not just our our patrons. My God.
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Anyway, Oh, all right, so we we're on to the next one.
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Yes, what's your #2? OK, well these two have a
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storied history, and this is from season seven.
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In fact, this is Anakin killing Admiral Trench.
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Oh, interesting choice. Now this goes back one of my
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favorite episodes. I say this every everything I
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preface with. It's one of my favorite.
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But remember the episode earlier in Clone Wars where they have
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like the invisible ship? Yes, yeah.
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And. And Anakin's?
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Cat and mouse. Yes, thank you.
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And it's Admiral Trench. Somehow this bastard lived
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through like that explosion and he reappears in in season 7 and
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Anakin walks in pissed off, ready to fight.
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Wants to know something. I don't know.
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Tell me about codes or wear of something again, demanding
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something from somebody on the other side and and Admiral
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Trench is, you know, being a spidery weird thing and saying
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no. But the point, the red flag is
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again, Admiral Trench says to Anakin, forget it.
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The other Jedi already tried and it didn't work.
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And Anakin's? Oh yeah, well, I don't have
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that. Their weakness and chops off
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three of his arms. Oh my God.
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Like, slow your roll, Anakin. But buried in this is again him
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wanting to be better, thinking he's better.
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His arrogance is getting real bold at this point.
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This is season seven. We are approaching the fall, and
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you know, he's being taunted by another person.
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But he specifically says this time in comparison to the, you
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know, poggle where he's just like, Oh yeah, well this time,
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Trench says to him, they already tried.
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You're never going to do it. No Jedi can do it.
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And he's like, Oh yeah, well, I don't share their weakness, so
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he's already thinking they're weak.
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I'm. Stronger.
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So interesting. And then he he has six arms
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because he's spider and chops three of them off.
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And like the shot is the three seared off like cauterized
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Wiggly. God, that's awful.
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Like the angle of the shot is to emphasize those 3 limbs are cut
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off and then I think he force chokes him, but like again.
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Extreme measures taken the. Rise to anger.
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How quickly he wants to prove himself.
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How quickly he gets so angry. Yeah, you know, how dare anyone
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think that I'm lesser? Like, no time to tolerate your
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bullshit. It's very like choking the
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officer at the conference table in A New Hope.
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Like. Yes, like.
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Instantly going to assaulting another person.
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That it's becoming. In his mind, they're expendable.
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This is not another entity. This is not another person,
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human, creature, whatever. And no consequences. 00.
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For what he does. So it just keeps escalating as a
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result, yeah. And he does end up killing him.
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So there. Dude, I didn't remember that at
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all. Is that season seven you said?
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Yeah, yeah. His hair is all flowy.
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That's. Probably because I only watched
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the full season once because it's sad.
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It's very sad, but I remember this because it was so drastic
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and it's very close to the previous scene because the
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poggle scene is my favorite, because I remember the first
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time I ever saw it and being like, Oh my God.
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But this scene is very close to it, but accelerated.
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It's much, much worse because it's it's faster.
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His anger's faster. His, his just.
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And it has nothing to do with, like his Padawan being
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threatened. It's just like angry Anakin.
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Yeah, storming and wanting something.
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You suck. I'm cutting your arms off,
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killing you. Get the info and be on my way.
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It's really not normal, It's just.
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But I never liked Admiral Trench, so I'm like, OK.
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I know Trench really freaks me out.
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I don't even like looking at him, 'cause I'm afraid of
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spiders, but. Me too.
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And he's a furry spider. They're the worst.
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I just get goosebumps. Oh no.
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Our reactions are the exact same at the same time, like we're not
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even. If we're ever somewhere together
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and there's a spider, the spider will take over, like.
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It's over. Maybe I'll brandish something
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and say I am not as weak as the others.
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Slash slash no, I'll just run crying.
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I hate spiders. Yeah.
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What's your next one? My next one is when you might
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have. It's from Zygeria.
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I don't have any zygeria. OK, so it's one of your favorite
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moments there also, but where? I know the one.
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What is the guy's name? Is it a tie?
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I think it's the guy who's on Heroes.
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Right. Yes.
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And he's trying to escape and Anakin gets onto the ship and he
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wants to know where all the citizens are.
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And he he's very upset because he's a slaver and Anakin was a
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slave. And he grabs the guy by the
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throat physically, not with the Force, puts a light Saber
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against his throat like he's going to ignite it through his
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throat, not just cut his head off.
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And it says where are they? Where are they?
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And. Even Ahsoka is like Anakin.
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Like, take a breath. Holy shit.
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Her eyes are so big in that moment, but like, would yours be
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like she. She's a child and she just
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subdued the guy. He's sitting there fine and
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Anakin comes in and loses his shit and she's like, oh, I'm
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seeing a new side. That kind of scares me.
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Yeah, at least Obi Wan gave her a heads up.
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Remember when she asked him? Like, what's the deal?
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Yeah, now she sees. Like, how?
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Like, how bad? Yeah, it's real bad.
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And again, like yours with Ahsoka, this one is tied to
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emotion. And with the Obi Wan thing as
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well, it's like anytime he's reminded of his painful past or
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his current situation is threatened, he goes from zero to
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100 and is like ready to mutilate you, kill you.
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Just. Remember you whatever it takes
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to get the answers he thinks he needs or deserves.
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I really wonder what would have happened if Ahsoka hadn't been
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there. Like I'm pretty sure you would
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have killed him. Yeah, so many times.
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She's the reason he doesn't go too far because she's right
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there watching. Or she even just says his name
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and like pulls him back from the brink.
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You know, it's it's crazy. And he's been checked and
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balanced, you know, by Ahsoka and Obi Wan his entire life.
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So then it starts to beg the question of if he had never been
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brought into the Jedi, would he still have had these anger
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issues? That is the eternal question.
26:42
I don't know. I know.
26:44
I think the longer he was a slave, the longer or the the
26:50
more anger would have built up in him.
26:54
And there's a scene, a deleted scene from Phantom Menace that
26:56
does imply that, but they pulled it.
26:58
Out, of course. Yeah, and it's like, it really
27:02
makes his character make more sense.
27:03
So the fact that it was removed wasn't removed for time because
27:06
that movie added its original cut was like 17 hours long.
27:10
Or was it? Did you hear George Lucas's
27:14
first reaction was, I might have gone a little overboard.
27:16
It was like. Well, they left all those Padme
27:21
moments in though. Don't don't keep the story
27:26
building shit in, but keep the creepy dress stuff in there.
27:30
Exactly. It's like.
27:32
This flag. This was a Red Flag moment, and
27:36
I would love to do an episode about this scene in particular,
27:39
because why guns in it? And it's very interesting.
27:42
And the fact that they pulled it out, is it like because you
27:45
don't think Anakin has that anger or?
27:48
Hold on. I was referencing I'm sorry,
27:52
you're talking about Phantom Menace.
27:53
I went straight to the fireplace scene in the next one episode.
27:57
God. What's that called?
28:00
Can we have just removed that whole movie?
28:02
Tag of the clones, yeah. Yeah, at least that whole plot
28:05
of A tag of the clones would have been fine if that was gone,
28:08
but. That's a whole red flag.
28:09
I'm sorry I went. I went way too far.
28:12
I went straight to the the red, red, reddest of red flags.
28:15
But. OK, so what's your last one?
28:19
OK, well this one, I laugh every time it happens again.
28:27
Sick. I'm a sick bastard.
28:30
But in the grand scheme of things, and this is saying a
28:34
lot, this is not that big of a moment.
28:37
OK. But it is.
28:39
It is if if you're watching sequentially, you're like, oh
28:43
shit. But then if you look at the
28:45
timeline, it's a little bit smaller and it's in our also
28:51
favorite Season 2 episode 13, Voyage of Temptation.
28:55
Yes. Where the star crossed lovers
29:00
Obi Wan and Satine are having their moment and Tom Merrick's
29:04
there, you know, and I'd have left the Jedi Order had you said
29:08
the word and all this stuff and and and a pacifist is holding
29:12
holding a gun. It's all of this drama,
29:14
Telenovela, and in the back comes Anakin, who just stabs
29:20
Tall Mark right through the back.
29:22
He drops like a sack of rice and Anakin's like dust it off.
29:26
No big deal. And the red flag is he doesn't
29:32
even look bothered. It's just.
29:36
He took care of a problem. Yeah.
29:39
By stabbing a man in the back. And OB One's only response is
29:45
Anakin. Anakin.
29:48
But he could justify this one a little more, right?
29:52
Because there's all these lives at stake.
29:55
So he made the choice of the lesser of two evils.
29:58
But. However, it was stabbing a man
30:03
in the back. Not.
30:05
Hey, look over here. Fight me while the other two
30:08
could run away. It was boom there.
30:14
I think it was. It's kind of brilliant, though,
30:16
because they put to go with your your telenovela idea, they put
30:22
Obi Wan and Satine in a Mexican standoff.
30:26
They did. Where?
30:29
They did. We're like, she's not able to
30:33
pull the trigger unless she wants to be a hypocrite.
30:35
And he, I think, like A tag of the clones.
30:39
Obi Wan would kill Tall Merrick without a second thought, but
30:42
he's not going to do it in front of Satine.
30:45
Yeah, because that's complicated now, you know.
30:50
I really wish in the live action version of this, it would cut to
30:55
one face and then cut to another face and then cut back to the.
30:59
Like a western. You know.
31:02
Mustache twitches. It would just be so dramatic and
31:10
great and then Anakin, just boom, stabs a man in the back.
31:13
No big deal. Well, because Anakin is willing
31:16
to do what other people won't do.
31:17
He kind of makes it so no one has to break their own moral
31:21
compass. But he's fine doing it.
31:23
He doesn't care. That's the red flag is that he's
31:27
fine doing it and and he's not. This is Season 2.
31:32
And then he cracks a joke. Yeah, the whole thing is
31:35
inappropriate. And not only that, but like,
31:36
what does Satine think? I know she doesn't have any
31:40
comments for that moment like. Well, she's replaying in her
31:43
head. What the fuck did I just admit?
31:45
Oh, shit. Like, you know she's doing that
31:48
thing? Yeah.
31:50
Oh God, wait, I didn't die. So now, now it's out there and
31:53
oh God, what are we going to do? Back to diplomacy, AKA go hide
32:03
in my bathroom. Yeah, that's it.
32:08
Anyway, that's my third one. It's it's it's the lesser of the
32:11
three, I think, but it's one of my faves because it's it's just
32:14
casual. It's a good moment.
32:16
And they played the Vader theme. Did you say Stab Casual?
32:21
I did. Could be a new pin.
32:28
Oh my God, that is so funny. We need to write that down.
32:33
Write it down. Sticker merch coming.
32:35
Oh man. All right, well, my my last one
32:39
is obscure for me because it's from season 6, which I also
32:45
don't watch often because it's painful.
32:48
I'm curious. It's from The Rise of Clovis.
32:52
And now I remembered that Anakin beat the shit out of Rush
32:58
Clovis. I did not remember the details
33:03
of how and why. So Clovis notices that Anakin is
33:08
very possessive of Padme and starts to say like, is there
33:12
something between you? And of course they're married,
33:14
but Padme is saying no, no, no, there's nothing there and Clovis
33:19
comes in, right? Or I'm sorry, Anakin comes in
33:22
right as Clovis is wanting to kiss Padme and she's telling him
33:25
no, but he's going for it anyway.
33:28
And Anakin just like turns purple and is ready to kill the
33:32
man and he starts by using the force like choking him and
33:37
Clovis says like, aren't you man enough to use your bare hands
33:40
And Anakin's like with pleasure. And while they're beating the
33:46
shit out of each other, Padme screams at them to stop and
33:49
Anakin turns to her and says you don't have a say in this.
33:55
And then later she she tells him to get the hell out of her sight
33:59
and later she comes back to speak with him and he said I
34:03
don't know what happened, something inside me snapped and
34:06
she says I don't know who's in there sometimes, and then tells
34:09
him she doesn't want to see him anymore, at least for a while.
34:15
This this whole thing is very, very dark.
34:21
It is, because it's frightening. He literally, like, loses it.
34:27
And there's a moment where he's about to hit Clovis, I think,
34:30
with his artificial hand, and that's where he was like, Oh my
34:34
God, what am I doing? And he suddenly comes back to
34:37
himself, and he's not wrong about Clovis.
34:40
Clovis is a lying piece of shit and he's playing everyone for a
34:44
fool. But it doesn't make what Anakin
34:47
did right and he. Or what?
34:49
He said. Yeah.
34:51
To say to the woman you love, you don't have a say in this,
34:57
just like everything about this whole scenario is frightening.
35:03
If it was real life, this would be a very terrifying situation
35:07
to be in. His behavior that he's showing
35:10
in this towards Padme is abuser behavior, abusive relationship.
35:18
And I don't mean to trigger absolutely anyone out there, but
35:22
this is this is textbook and they put it in here for a
35:26
reason. Because I do like Padme's line
35:30
of I don't know who's in there sometimes because it's the same
35:34
Padme an Anakin that is talking when after like right before he
35:40
force chokes her in Revenge of the Sith.
35:43
She's probably reliving that moment like, Oh my God, and.
35:46
You. Know they're still good in him,
35:50
that whole thing. It's frightening.
35:52
Exactly what you said. I hate it.
35:55
Yeah, it's it was really awful to watch it and I totally
35:58
forgotten about the scene afterwards where Padme tells
36:01
them she doesn't want to see him anymore and I didn't watch the
36:04
full ark, so I'm sure they reconcile at some point, right?
36:07
Yeah, Don't they sit? They sit together and he holds
36:10
her. They're like on the side of a
36:12
ship. Yes, something.
36:13
Like on the ledge of something. And I don't watch this.
36:17
Or something. Yeah, I don't remember exactly
36:20
the detail, but by season seven they have that moment where
36:24
they're talking via via hologram, you know, and she's
36:28
telling him to trust Rex. So whatever, they're and
36:31
obviously Revenge of the Sith, she's pregnant and they're
36:34
happy, sort of. It's like there's a Band-Aid
36:39
over the Psycho part that kind of got exposed, you know?
36:42
You you want to see the person you originally fell in love
36:48
with. You want to see the good in them
36:49
that is still there. Well, these are all good
36:52
moments. And this doesn't even cover
36:54
Attack of the Clones, which to me is just it's just all one red
36:59
flag. Well then, yeah, there's so many
37:02
Pat and there's there's Padme moments in Clone Wars with
37:05
Anakin too. Like when he brings her the cake
37:07
and he's like, my love for you is the only thing that matters.
37:11
And it's like. Yeah, again a.
37:14
Hobby. Sounds romantic, but in real
37:17
life that's not healthy. No, Yeah.
37:20
And also and also when she's in the gas, when they're the blue
37:24
virus. Oh yeah, yeah.
37:26
Yeah, and he was willing to do all and and and Obi Wan had to
37:29
slow him down. Those Padme moments are red
37:33
flags, like where he's just blinders on.
37:36
Only thing that matters is Padme.
37:38
Everyone else can go fuck themselves.
37:40
It's, like, really worrisome. Yeah, he puts other people at
37:43
risk to save her all the time and all the time.
37:46
Nothing of it. And she is the opposite, like
37:50
in. I can't remember the episode's
37:53
name, but it's the one that you really like where he gets taken
37:56
by Dooku on Naboo. Yes, like a.
38:00
Shadow Warrior or something like that.
38:03
I can't remember exactly what it's called, but he's taken by
38:06
Dooku and Dooku offers to trade Anakin for Grievous cause.
38:11
The Padme and Jar Jar I think have captured Grievous and Padme
38:18
says I can't do that and Anakin would have like done anything to
38:24
save her, which would not have been for the greater good
38:28
necessarily. So this whole relationship is
38:32
very, and they say this in The Rise of Clovis, Padme says it's
38:38
built on lies and deception. Their relationship is built on
38:41
lies, and So what kind of rotten foundation they have to like.
38:47
You cannot build a healthy relationship when you have to
38:49
keep it a secret. Yeah.
38:52
So it's very heartbreaking. It is.
38:56
It is I I want better for them. I want better for all of these
38:59
people. Except, what's his name?
39:05
The Spider. Oh, Admiral Trench.
39:09
Trench. Yeah.
39:11
Trench and of course. I was just going to say, and of
39:15
course Pong Crow, we're going to end this episode with Fuck Pong
39:20
Crow. He's a red flag that the Jedi
39:24
missed. Seriously, man, we should do a
39:28
whole episode on Jedi Blinders because they missed a whole
39:33
bunch of shit, didn't they? They sure did.
39:35
Well, mostly Sidious. Yeah, remain ignorant and stab
39:46
casual. Remain ignorant, Stab casual.
39:52
That's our new motto. So after hearing everything that
40:02
we talked about, we want to turn it over to you and ask you what
40:06
is the most glaring red flag that you noticed about Anakin.
40:11
And it can be any of the ones that we talked about or any of
40:14
the ones that are still out there.
40:16
There are plenty, so let us know.
40:19
Doesn't have to be Clone Wars either.
40:21
Can be no any any red flag anywhere.
40:25
Anywhere, at any time. So join us next week.
40:31
We have a fun episode. Where you gonna, We are going to
40:34
do a 2023 review. We've had quite a few things
40:39
happen that we're exciting this past year and we're going to
40:42
just kind of do a quick recap and talk about next year, maybe
40:46
talk about the upcoming year. I don't know.
40:48
We'll see. Yeah, because to to look
40:51
forward, you must admire the back, the backside.
40:54
That's not what I meant to say. It's good to look in your past
41:01
but not linger there. Yeah, we.
41:03
You know. We're basically just going to
41:06
throw a little gratitude towards this.
41:08
Yes, 2023, even though it's been hard for a lot of people.
41:12
We know it's been a rough year, but we still want to show some
41:15
gratitude because some amazing stuff happens.
41:17
So join us next week for that. Oh my God, the holiday special.
41:25
Everybody loved the episode. Thank you so much.
41:30
Yeah, this was. I've not gotten this much
41:33
feedback on an episode in a long time.
41:37
Yeah, in fact, my dear friends Dan, Greg, Derek and Corey had a
41:44
good old group chat going about it and in fact, Greg commented I
41:49
need to know what was in Bea Arthur's contract to save that
41:52
movie. And I agree, Greg.
41:55
I'd like to know too, because she was the best part in my
41:58
opinion. Yeah.
41:59
How much money did they pay her? Probably not enough.
42:02
Whatever. Not enough.
42:04
She's worth more than anything, really.
42:07
Yeah, melody, mirrors, mirrors, mirrors, I'm not sure on
42:12
Instagram, said. I love the holidays special.
42:15
I celebrate Life Day with Wookiee Oakies every year.
42:19
See. That's wonderful.
42:22
Yes. The premise of Life Day itself
42:25
is lovely. Yes, yes.
42:27
It's just getting to it in that movie format was tiresome.
42:32
It was really painful, Oh yeah, contrary to that, the real OJ
42:43
said. It makes me want to purge my
42:45
eyeballs with fire. Oh.
42:49
Oh. Tell us how you really feel.
42:56
All right, well, a few other really quick we had the Nerf
42:59
Herder Co said. It's a trip for sure, which I
43:02
thought was very diplomatic. It's trippy for sure.
43:04
Yes. Oh.
43:06
TC Toy Photo said I watched it when I had COVID in 2020.
43:10
Not sure if I hallucinated it or not.
43:15
I can see that though. Yeah, right.
43:21
And then Seven Ghost Peppers, said Grandpa.
43:23
Watching space porn is too weird, and I said I agree.
43:27
It's it's beyond. It's that's.
43:31
It's disturbing in just so many ways.
43:34
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