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Warframe, Overwatch, and Sonic The Hedgehog with David from Dear Cincinnati · Rock For Initiative

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  What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of
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  Rock for Initiative. My name's Phil and I am your
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  host. Today we get to talk to David
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  from Dear Cincinnati. Such an amazing person.
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  I just spent the last hour and a half plus editing the content of
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  this episode and I I don't know, I don't know what to tell you.
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  It's it's just so good. I think like right after I got
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  done with my conversation with David, I text Rob from Emo kids
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  Anonymous and was just like, the kids are all right.
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  You know, David is really cool. We talk about Sonic, we talk
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  about Overwatch, we talk about Warframe, we talk about emo
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  history, get into all sorts of man, all sorts of stuff.
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  It's it's a great episode. It's it's really good.
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  I'll also be honest, it's it's past midnight right now and I'm
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  exhausted and probably shouldn't be telling you this, but I hope,
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  I hope you're enjoying this whenever you're listening to it
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  and that you're wide awake and not half asleep like I am right
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  now. Dear Cincinnati is going on tour
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  in the very near future with Trash with Adjust the Sales with
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  Dear Marianne. They are going I think like all
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  over the East Coast, hitting up a lot of the Midwest.
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  Make sure that if they are coming to a city near you, you
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  catch that tour because it is going to be insane.
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  So good. Some of the best bands in emo
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  today and probably like a $20 show if that.
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  So make sure you check them out. Check out to your Cincinnati's
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  album that they've got out streaming on Spotify.
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  They got a new album coming out soon that is being produced by
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  Ryland from Word I'm Angel. Man, that's going to be so
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  great. They are one of the younger
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  bands in the scene right now, but like prolific and amazing.
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  I cannot say enough about how much I love Dear Cincinnati and
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  David especially. We're buddies now.
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  Anyways, Rockford Initiative is also undergoing like a logo
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  change, so keep an eye out for that.
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  I've had a lot of people reach out to me.
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  I posted something about the logo I had a had a few artists
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  asked me if it was AI generated because it didn't want to be on
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  the show. If it was and, and fair enough.
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  I, I, it's not AI generated. At least I didn't AI generated.
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  I reached out to someone on Fiverr and had them paid them
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  right to create a logo for me. And, and whether it's AI or not,
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  I don't, I don't think it is. I've had it scanned, I've looked
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  at it could be, couldn't be. It doesn't really matter because
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  at the end of the day, you know, perceptions important.
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  And I also would love to work with an artist who I know and
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  who's part of the music scene. So I've had a few people reach
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  out to me, I have had some people send me like their mock
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  ups and I think they're all great and I wish I could use all
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  of them, but I just want to. I'll shout out some of those on
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  my socials in the very near future.
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  Check out at Rockford Initiative on Instagram and Tiktok.
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  And if you're looking for an artist, I should have a whole
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  list up for you of awesome artists from the scene who are
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  AI free. So keep AI out of art, it's
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  easy, just don't use it. Help support artists.
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  Also, I just want to shout out Never Phase Network, which I am
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  a part of. Never Phase Network is a great
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  place to find out about new music, to read music reviews,
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  check out other awesome podcasts.
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  We just added a brand new podcast to our lineup, Safe and
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  Sound with Jeremy. Really cool therapy based, like
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  music therapy based podcast. Lots of of really great guests
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  on that. We also have the track Marks
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  podcast that's brand new. I just started putting out
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  episodes with Foose and Ducky. They've got a a bunch of new
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  episodes. I think they've got 1 coming out
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  at the same time as this episode, perhaps with Chair
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  Dusty, so make sure you check them out.
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  Never Phase podcast, Wasting Time podcast, Certified fangirl
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  podcast, the Scott Mailman podcast, the Imperfect Guides
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  podcast, podcast which releases once a week.
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  Check them all out. I know everyone's got nothing
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  but time to go listen to podcasts.
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  Also this week, if you are listening on Thursday when I
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  when this episode releases, make sure that tomorrow you check out
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  emokidsanonymous.com. Shout out to the emo kids, shout
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  out Rob, Amanda and Catherine, my favorite, some of my favorite
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  people in the world. I mean like top, top like 5
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  maybe. I don't know.
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  I also have like a wife and two kids, so maybe not top five, I
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  don't know, maybe top five. They're great.
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  I love them. Check out emokidsanonymous.com
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  and check out the top 200 emo albums of all time that were
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  curated by over 100 different contributors.
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  And Rob put the list together. I helped create the website that
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  they're going to be displayed on, so that's getting released
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  tomorrow. So go to argue about e-mail and
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  stuff. Yeah.
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  I don't know. I don't know what else to tell
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  you. This is a long intro for what is
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  already a long episode and I'm just I'm not going to cut any of
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  it. Just enjoy it.
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  Sorry, I will smell. You on
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  I'm here with David from Dear Cincinnati.
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  How are you doing, David? Hello, I'm pretty good.
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  It's it's been a nice Saturday so far, so it's pretty cool.
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  It's like college football Saturday.
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  It is, in fact, college football Saturday.
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  Go blue, University of Michigan. That's who we that's who we root
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  for around these around here. So University of Michigan, but
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  you are from Tallahassee, is that I am from Tallahassee an
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  accurate statement? Yeah, I am.
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  I have family from Michigan, a lot of family.
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  It's like, and I'm not before foremost and before everything,
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  I am a Detroit sports fans, Lions, Pistons, Tigers, Red
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  Wing. And then I kind of just picked
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  up the University of Michigan because I have like friends who
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  go there and Ann Arbor is just a beautiful place.
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  I've been there. So it kind of just I kind of
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  just like fell into the University of Michigan.
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  Nothing. But the rest of my band are fans
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  and a lot of my friends are fans of FSU, obviously.
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  Right. That's yeah.
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  Yeah, well, hey, it's good to be a little different.
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  And also, I mean, it makes a lot of sense, right, that you have
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  Michigan in your blood as a Midwest emo aficionado.
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  Yeah, you know, I I would call myself somewhat of like a
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  historian for the genre. I I do my best to keep up with
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  as much new stuff, though. I feel like recently, like last
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  like a year or so. I've low key dog.
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  I feel like I I haven't, I feel like everyone shows me something
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  new and I'm like, huh, you're telling me this person released
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  an album? What?
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  You know, so it's. It's like a renaissance right
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  now. I feel like emos really like got
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  it going on. Like, there's a lot of really
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  great emo coming out. There's a there's a record that
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  came out that I like put on there that I keep like meaning
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  to when I'm like my free time or like I'm going to drive.
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  I mean to like listen to, but I just never do because Taking
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  Back Sunday. Oh my.
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  It's hard to keep up. Yeah, yeah.
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  Like I like I'm also like, I'm also one of those people that
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  like get stuck in bands. So it's like I'll like put on a
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  band, like I'll like listen to one song from a band and then
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  for the next like 3 weeks it'll just be like all their
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  discography. Like right now I'm in the middle
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  of my Wonder Years era. I love the Wonder Years so much.
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  One of my favorite bands. It's a good era to be in.
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  Awesome era to be in. No closer to Heaven.
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  I've been saying this to everyone recently.
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  No Closer to Heaven is no closer to a perfect album than anything
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  ever will be. I.
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  I mean, I've, I've listened to No Closer to Heaven.
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  I I wouldn't have said it was like one of my favourites until
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  I saw them like earlier this year, do the whole album front
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  to back and then like I started getting really into it.
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  And it is phenomenal. It's like mind blowing, life
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  changing stuff. It's Oh my gosh.
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  And we were on tour when they were doing the No Closer to
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  Heaven Run. And I remember we played the
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  Masquerade. We played one of the smaller
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  rooms, the Masquerade. And as I was walking in, I like
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  to look to my right and there's just a giant poster that's like
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  the album cover. And it's like the Wonder Years
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  are going to be here tomorrow. And I was like, dog, are you
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  kidding me? It's heartbreaking.
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  I know it's super heartbreaking. But it was a great tour.
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  Equipment was on there. Keep in mind knuckle puck.
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  Knuckle Puck, Equipment, the guys from Equipment, I I've the
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  guys from Equipment are really chill and we played Pugfest
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  actually in Pontiac, MI. They were like the first band
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  that like show like that. Like I knew like that showed up
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  that I talked to and they were all super nice guys.
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  The guys from Equipment are awesome, super sweet people.
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  One of these days I'll get them on.
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  I'll get them on the pod. That for real?
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  We'll trick them. I don't normally talk a lot of
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  music, but I do think that going down the emo Rd. with you is is
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  interesting. So I think we should let's,
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  let's just do it. Let's dive into get into emo.
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  Like what is your emo origin story?
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  My emo origin story, I listened to Like the Growing growing up.
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  I heard like a lot of like Fall Out Boy on the radio, but it was
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  always like save rock'n'roll era.
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  It was like that, well, like one song.
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  It's like my songs, no, What You Did in the Dark or whatever.
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  And like that was on the radio a lot.
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  And like also being from Tallahassee, like I remember a
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  teacher's assistant when I was in fifth grade gave me a Mayday
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  Parade jacket that was way too small for me, but I still wore
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  it like everywhere because I thought it was chill.
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  But like first like time I like, really got into emo.
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  I think the first record I ever bought, like the first like CD
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  was from Under the Cork Tree by Fall Out Boy.
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  I think it was the first one that I like really got into.
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  There's some hitters on that album.
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  And then what really did it for me was Taking Back Sunday.
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  Taking Back Sunday was like, Oh my gosh, I remember the first
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  time I heard that Cute without the EI was like 8 or something.
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  I was like 8 years old and I like came on like one of the
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  like, but they like play everything radio stations.
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  Like I was in the car with my Nana.
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  I was like in the car with my Nana and they were like, well,
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  here's Taking Back Sunday and then they like started playing
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  it. I was like, whoa, this is
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  awesome because I've always been the type I really like and the
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  vocals are just insane. Like I'm so big on that.
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  I just love insane vocals. That whole album is insane.
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  Tell all your. Friends tell all your friends is
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  such a good record, like one of my top.
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  It's crazy. We've we've mentioned like 2 out
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  of like mentioned 2 albums on my top five and we're 8 minutes
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  into this record or 8 minutes into this into this session.
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  So. So no, no closer to home and
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  tell all your friends. Are those the 2?
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  Those are two in my top five, 100%.
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  I love both those records to death.
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  What do you rather? What are the other three on
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  there? And these are in no particular
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  order, but of course, no closer to having by the wonder years
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  almost. I think it's like maybe 6.
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  But just Speaking of the wonder years suburbia, I've given you
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  all you've given me. Nothing is like also like my
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  number six, like fantastic record.
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  Actually, it's probably more like 8, but I think my top five
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  in no order is Pilot by Hot Mulligan.
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  That's probably like one of the Hot Mulligan albums is in there.
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  I don't. I kind of switch every day every
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  week or so. Like which one's my favorite?
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  Those days are gone by. Free throw.
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  Yeah. That's like, that's like a
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  quintessential album for me. Like I was like, that was like
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  one of the, like first, like I was like 16.
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  I was like one of the first like real like emo records I heard,
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  and that just like changed my prerogative on so much.
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  Tell your friends how close to heaven, man.
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  I don't know what fills out that lost spot, but a lot comes to
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  mind. Please be nice if I can't be in
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  Alaska. That one gets me all the time.
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  The first American football record is just like, I feel like
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  that's a staple. Like I almost don't want to put
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  it in there because I feel like that's such like a.
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  It's like cliche, but also it's, I mean, there's a reason for
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  that, right? Yeah, Somewhere City by Origami
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  Angel. I've had the great pleasure of
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  working and becoming friends with Ryland, so I'm a little
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  reluctant to say that just because I don't want to hear
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  this and think that I'm like, like, I'm trying to be all nice
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  and stuff. But now I like like produced one
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  of your albums, right? He's in the process of
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  producing. He's producing our.
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  Upcoming record potentially. I don't know if I'm allowed to
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  say. We've announced that maybe he
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  might be producing. He knew.
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  About it from an interview that Ryland did with Emo Kids
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  Anonymous at Warm Taurus. Well then, yeah, he's producing
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  our album. It's been out there.
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  Cool, awesome. I just I.
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  Feel like in the news I don't think.
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  Well, we might be I just every time like I like this is my
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  first like interview. I've done like without the band.
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  And I just think about all the time that like all the like Tom
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  Holland clips of him being like, well, this is what happened
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  happening in the new Spider Man movie.
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  So I don't want to be the guy to like drop moves out, you know
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  what I mean? We'll try not to put you on
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  blast for finding something that.
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  Should we need more drama? We need more drama in this scene
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  anyway, yeah. It is.
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  It's too nice. Who do you?
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  Who do you have beef with? Who like beef?
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  With who do? You who can we like?
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  Who can we generate some beef? I've I had Mike from Summer
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  Bruce come on and talk wrestling with me and I feel like there's
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  not enough rivalry in the emo scene.
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  You guys are too nice to each other.
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  I mean, man, I have beef with that's crazy.
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  I got to think about that. I like to try, I try and live by
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  like then I like being like the nicest person I can because I
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  used to like to get a little vulnerable.
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  I used to not be like the greatest human being in the
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  world. And so as in the last like since
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  the gradual shift and change of human beings happened to me, I
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  try to be just as nice as possible.
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  But when it comes to beef, Dang, who can I call out?
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  Well, this is fun. I feel like I have like his own,
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  I think, I feel like. Shame from adjust the sales is
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  really easy. I was.
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  Thinking Shane, I can talk Shane out Shane from adjust the sales
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  man. Fuck.
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  That guy. No, I'm just joking.
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  I love shame to death Shane. Yeah.
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  And and I feel like I could take him in a fight any day.
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  That's that's just a problem. That's a promise.
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  Who else right Beef with? What else are we done?
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  I kind of have. I have beef with Bryce Howell of
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  Halftime Show, but I'm only saying I have a beef with him to
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  say so we can clip this and oh, no way.
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  I have real beef with him. I texted him and he didn't text
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  me back. I texted him what the heck?
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  Bryce. What the hell?
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  And it's like, come on. So real beef.
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  I was going to say fake, be this was engagement bait.
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  So he would be like, oh, sorry, I saw this interview, David,
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  I'll text you back. But no, now it's written, now
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  it's real beef. I more or less have like beef
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  with like I feel like there's like some certain like I don't
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  really have beef with with bands per SE, but a band related thing
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  I have beef with. I have beef with cities and
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  states. But I.
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  Have I have serious beef with some of these places?
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  And it's not the people. It's never the people that I've
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  never met, like just the city. In general, brow.
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  Phoenix, AZ Why are you that hot?
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  I literally feel I got out of the van and I feel like I
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  emerged from like a big bucket of soup.
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  I was like wet and I smelled really weird and it was just, it
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  was evil, like so wild. Coming from Florida too.
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  Well, it's weird because I come from Florida, but I wasn't I
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  wasn't built for Florida. I see everyone like walking
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  around in like, like people like walk outside and do things at
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  this time of year and I'm like, how do you do that?
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  It's crazy. Yeah, I lived in Florida for, I
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  lived in Florida for like 8 years, so.
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  And I, I grew up in San Diego, which is ideal temperature all
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  the time. And then I lived in Utah for a
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  little while and that it's a little more seasonal, like it's
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  kind of hot in the summer, but it's dry heat, like like
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  Arizona, but way less like tuned down, like 30°.
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  And then I lived in Texas for a little while and it was hot
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  there. But then I moved to Florida and
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  I I never went outside. I was in Port Saint Lucie.
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  We, my son played T-ball in the summer.
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  Jesus. And like just being outside for
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  an hour. I was just drenched.
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  It was awful. Yeah.
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  I. Can't I can't people do?
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  Things there no I. I can't do that.
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  I had to go get like my tire fixed.
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  There was a nail in my tire and like I was so.
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  Nervous. That I was gonna have to like, I
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  don't know why I thought I was gonna have to sit outside.
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  I, I get so anxious over like the weirdest thing, but I'm a
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  pretty anxious guy. I get so anxious and they're
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  like the littlest shit. So I'm driving there and I'm
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  like like white knuckling the steering and I'm like, if I have
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  to sit outside right now, it's over.
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  I was like, I'd just rather just go flat.
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  I'd rather my tire go flat. But I don't have any AC in my
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  car either. Like right now my car is no AC,
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  My girlfriend is not happy about that at all, but I'm getting it
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  fixed. We're getting there.
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  It's an it's an uphill battle, but you know, the the royalties
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  are going to hit one day and then, you know, the ACS, the ACS
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  going to get fixed. And I'm going to tell everyone,
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  hey look what I did fix my ACI. Fixed the AC.
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  That's the most important thing, especially in Florida, for real,
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  because even having the window down, it's just so hot.
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  Yeah, so let's let's pivot to to geekier things.
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  Not that. Not that emo's not nerdy.
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  Let's talk. It can be.
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  Yeah, you give me. Talking about like Braid or
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  Captain Jazz or something. I could nerd out a little bit,
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  but let's talk. Let's talk some video games or
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  something. I was, I was going to say, let's
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  you mentioned that you have a really funny D&D story.
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  I do have. A really funny D&Z story.
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  So when I was like, oh, I must have been like 13 with some of
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  my friends friends, I'm still like, I'm one of those people
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  that's like that. I hated growing up when people
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  would be like, oh, you know, you're not going to have the
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  same friends as when you're like 9 to when you're like 21.
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  And I do so, you know. But we're playing DND at my
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  friend Gillespie's house, and Gillespie's a shout out at
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  Gillespie. He's a prolific.
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  Musician, fantastic. But we're playing Dean Dia's
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  house and I forget what the campaign was and I also forget
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  what I was playing, like what my class was, what my story was.
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  I don't remember anything about that that campaign at all, but I
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  will remember this. We were in this like layer with
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  like a vampire and like we had to get like past the vampire.
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  It's like all coming back to me and we all kind of decided that
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  we were going to like, like throw a big ball of shit at this
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  vampire, like like, like actual shit.
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  And so I roll, I get an 11. I like Tariq's school ball
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  level. Like throw that thing at him,
• 20:48
  grazes him on the side. My other boy, he he rolls like a
• 20:52
  19. He's a straight on my friend
• 20:55
  Kareem, a shorter character, like maybe like 2 feet tall or
• 21:00
  something. I remember his role and
• 21:02
  everything. And he rolls like a like a gnat
• 21:04
  20 to like throw this like giant ball of shit that's bigger than
• 21:09
  he is at like this vampire Lord. And like that's the only thing I
• 21:14
  remember from that campaign at all.
• 21:18
  But it is, it's such a like embedded memory in my mind.
• 21:23
  When I think about like tabletop game like that's all I think
• 21:25
  about. It's.
• 21:27
  Like, that's one of the best things about tabletop games in
• 21:29
  my opinion, is just, it's like nowhere else in the world
• 21:34
  really. Can you just get together with
• 21:36
  like 3 or 4 of your buddies and be like, hey, let's let's make
• 21:39
  believe for the next three hours and just see what happens, Yeah.
• 21:44
  It's so wonderful, I love it so much.
• 21:46
  But that's like the only like D&D story like I can really
• 21:49
  remember. I do.
• 21:51
  We always talk about doing a campaign though.
• 21:53
  Me and my homeboys, we always talk about like doing a
• 21:56
  campaign. It just sounds like it would be
• 21:57
  so much fun. But none of us have time
• 22:00
  anymore. It's that's.
• 22:02
  The That's always the problem. The the hardest boss battle in
• 22:05
  D&D is getting everybody together at the same time, for
• 22:09
  real. For real.
• 22:11
  That's so real. You also mentioned Warframe,
• 22:16
  which I know almost nothing about.
• 22:18
  I think I've, I've tried playing Warframe one time and didn't go
• 22:24
  super well and then I have never played it again.
• 22:26
  So tell me a little bit about Warframe, like sell it to me.
• 22:30
  What? What is what is it that you
• 22:31
  enjoy about it? I feel.
• 22:33
  As if Warframe gets compared to Destiny 2A lot.
• 22:38
  And as someone who's played maybe an hour of Destiny two,
• 22:43
  I'm an expert and here's what I'll say.
• 22:47
  Destiny two, it does not compare to Warframe.
• 22:50
  I don't even really know where to start with Warframe because I
• 22:52
  don't want to like give anything away.
• 22:55
  But I got into it because the aforementioned Kareem, he got
• 22:59
  into it like really early on, like we were like when he was
• 23:04
  like, I don't know, it must have been like 11 or something.
• 23:06
  And like he tried to get me into it and like I played a little
• 23:09
  bit and then I kind of fell out of it.
• 23:10
  And then in recent years I was like falling back into it.
• 23:14
  And if you really like to like grind for things, if you really
• 23:17
  like focusing on like one specific thing you want or if
• 23:22
  it's awesome, there's a bunch of different like, I don't even
• 23:25
  know what I would call them like characters.
• 23:27
  I guess that they're called the war frames.
• 23:30
  And you like they all have different abilities.
• 23:33
  And then some of them have like prime versions, which is just
• 23:36
  like better like a base stats and you can mod everything.
• 23:40
  You can model your weapons, you can mod your frames.
• 23:43
  It's just there's just so much like substance to the game.
• 23:48
  Like there's so much that like even like I was playing Warframe
• 23:51
  last night. I was doing like things for my
• 23:54
  rail Jack, which is like ship miss missions is the best way to
• 23:57
  explain it. And like it's there's just so
• 24:02
  much like substance with the game that it's like hard to
• 24:08
  start. And it's like like you're
• 24:11
  piloting like a mech basically is what the frame is, right?
• 24:15
  I. I feel like as I've learned a
• 24:18
  lot more of the story, I can't. It's not like a mech, but it's
• 24:22
  like, I don't want to like spoil it because it's weird.
• 24:26
  I found it's like kind of like a spoiler in a way.
• 24:30
  Like it I, I, it sucks because I don't know how many people are
• 24:34
  actually going to like play as like as hardcore as like my
• 24:38
  friends and I do, but but I you're just playing, you know
• 24:47
  what I mean? You're just playing.
• 24:48
  You just got to get into it. So.
• 24:51
  Is it? Tell me about the like the
• 24:54
  gameplay. Is it like a, is it like like
• 24:56
  matches against other people or is it No, it's like what?
• 25:00
  Is it in the world? It's all free world.
• 25:01
  I mean their story, but a lot of it is like free world, open
• 25:04
  world type situations. And this is only so you get your
• 25:09
  you get your star chart, which is like all the planets and then
• 25:12
  plus some. I'm not going to spoil the plus
• 25:14
  some, but there's some plus some.
• 25:16
  And the story has you going to like different planets and
• 25:21
  stuff. And like there's a bunch of
• 25:23
  different nodes and there's a bunch of types of games.
• 25:26
  Like there's survivals where you have to like last a certain
• 25:30
  amount of time against like just a, a, a continuous incoming of
• 25:37
  enemies. And then there's there's like
• 25:40
  defenses which are like waves when you have to defend like
• 25:44
  certain like artifacts and certain things.
• 25:47
  There's captures you have to capture, capture people.
• 25:52
  There's rescues Reed for rescue people.
• 25:54
  Those two are pretty self-explanatory.
• 25:56
  There's assassinate like a lot of the boss, a lot of the bosses
• 25:59
  on the planet are assassinations.
• 26:01
  And usually you can get like good resources or, or new
• 26:04
  frames. And I was really drawn to
• 26:08
  Warframe because of the community aspect that it gives.
• 26:13
  I feel like in some open world games and some just games in
• 26:19
  general, there's almost like a toxic culture around it that's
• 26:23
  pretty like anti everything you know that isn't.
• 26:27
  I feel like Warframe though, not only the community that plays
• 26:35
  the game, but Digital Extremes, the company that makes Warframe
• 26:39
  and overseas Warframe are inclusive to everybody.
• 26:44
  I mean, like I remember like just yesterday I was like
• 26:47
  changing the color in my ship and they gave everyone like a
• 26:50
  free like like pride color palette and that like that.
• 26:55
  Really like kind of that. That brings me closer to the
• 26:58
  game because I am not a fan of supporting anything that is it
• 27:06
  that has any bigotry in its layers.
• 27:09
  And I don't feel like war friends that way and none of the
• 27:11
  community is either. You know, it's all a super
• 27:14
  inclusive space. So that's why I'm really drawn
• 27:17
  to the game. And also it's like it's it's
• 27:19
  just a fond memory of me, like my best friend, you know, So I'm
• 27:23
  I'm still I will ever play Warframe, though I dislike rail
• 27:28
  Jack quite a lot. Real jet.
• 27:30
  If you get if you start playing war, I will play Warframe with
• 27:32
  you, But I'm not playing real blacks.
• 27:34
  I don't care. I won't.
• 27:36
  You can get tort to me. I'll do what that.
• 27:37
  Means but I I'll give Warframe another try.
• 27:41
  Sure, why not? Yeah, let's do it.
• 27:42
  I'm play with you. Yeah, we.
• 27:44
  Can we can start getting you some frames I.
• 27:47
  I had Christian from hummus vacuum slash my guns adjust the
• 27:52
  sales my goat I was. Texting you to Christian my
• 27:55
  goat, were you? I was, yeah.
• 27:57
  Oh, the guy that's so. Funny, Christian's great and I
• 28:01
  told I told Christian I would download I would, but I would
• 28:05
  dust off my PS2 and play not PS2, jeez, my PS5 and play hell
• 28:12
  divers with him because that's what that's what we talked about
• 28:14
  always. Trying to.
• 28:15
  He's trying to get me to play Hell divers.
• 28:18
  I Loki told him, oh, this is bad.
• 28:21
  When he first asked me about it, I like kind of blanked on his
• 28:24
  question. I was like, yeah, I have hell
• 28:25
  divers because we're on deal on Steam.
• 28:27
  So I was going to get it. But I was like, yeah, I have it.
• 28:30
  And then my computer broke and my PC is like, not I like have
• 28:33
  to go take my PC and get it fixed.
• 28:35
  So I haven't been able to play hell divers and I could buy it
• 28:38
  on my Xbox. But in this world, in this day
• 28:41
  and age and in this time, I don't have $40 and all Hell
• 28:44
  divers. Wait, Christian, if you can hear
• 28:46
  me, I will play Hell divers with you soon.
• 28:48
  One day, I promise. We'll lock it in someday.
• 28:52
  We'll hell dive together, yeah? We'll.
• 28:54
  All hell dive together. Save super earth.
• 28:57
  Define super Earth. He's it's so funny.
• 29:02
  Yeah. What a great guy.
• 29:04
  Anyways, that's not what we're here to talk about.
• 29:09
  Well, that's cool. I I I did not know.
• 29:11
  I thought Warframe was more like like, what am I thinking?
• 29:17
  Like like Fortnite or Halo, Like like you, you like it's match to
• 29:21
  match. But it sounds like it's it's
• 29:23
  more like open, like more of a like ongoing story or like an
• 29:30
  MMO without being an MMO Maybe, yeah.
• 29:34
  Yeah, yeah, pretty much. That's cool.
• 29:38
  Super. Fun.
• 29:41
  All right, I'm just going through your list here, but you
• 29:43
  you got a lot on air and that and and if there's anything else
• 29:45
  you want to talk about, just throw it out here.
• 29:47
  I didn't. Know what to put?
• 29:49
  I like kind of blank. I didn't expect like a list of
• 29:51
  things. So I like, I like, didn't know
• 29:55
  what to put, you know what I mean?
• 29:58
  I mean. We can go off the rails in
• 30:01
  whatever direction. Like what?
• 30:02
  What are you geeking out about right now?
• 30:04
  Like what's what's on your mind right now?
• 30:06
  What's on my? Mind, I don't know.
• 30:08
  I, I, I have been dealing with the fact and like suffering with
• 30:12
  the fact that I've got 5000 hours on Overwatch.
• 30:17
  I have been wrestling with that fact.
• 30:20
  I bought it when it came. I bought Overwatch when it came
• 30:21
  out. I was like 10 years old.
• 30:23
  Original Overwatch I have somewhere I have like the
• 30:26
  pre-order thing somewhere back on my shelf over here from It's
• 30:29
  like a, it's like a license plate from original Overwatch.
• 30:34
  Jesus. I saw on Twitter actually,
• 30:36
  that's that's a horrible thing to admit that I stole Twitter,
• 30:39
  but I will because there's there's a there's a very niche
• 30:42
  group of people on Twitter. They're just trying to keep it
• 30:44
  how it used to be. Twitter used to be awesome.
• 30:46
  I'll stand on that and then emo. Twitter Emo Twitter.
• 30:51
  'S awesome. That's like I emo.
• 30:53
  Twitter's awesome, but I saw on Twitter today that they turned
• 30:56
  Sombra from ADPS into a support or maybe that was just maybe
• 31:01
  that was just a bit that I wasn't getting because it was
• 31:03
  very quick. I like got like I got like
• 31:05
  notification. It was like Sombra being AI got
• 31:07
  to find it now hold on. We got to find we got to find
• 31:10
  this tweet or I guess or I guess what do they call him now?
• 31:14
  We got to find this X so I hate. Calling my sweet.
• 31:17
  I hate my permission. Got my permission to to call it
• 31:22
  a tweet and I'm I will. Forever.
• 31:24
  Call it a tweet. Where is it dude come on.
• 31:30
  I can't find it in the next few scrolls.
• 31:31
  I'm just going to get why does they why do they post like so
• 31:35
  much? How many people are on the
• 31:37
  Overwatch Twitter like that? Oh my.
• 31:42
  Gosh, I found it. The tweet says Sombra as a
• 31:45
  support was nowhere near our 2026 bingo card.
• 31:51
  Dude what? Sombra as a support?
• 31:54
  That's an insane. That's insane.
• 31:57
  Yeah. That's insane to me but no I
• 31:59
  have 5000 hours on Overwatch and I told my girlfriend that in in
• 32:04
  passing conversation maybe a month and a half ago and she.
• 32:08
  Didn't leave you immediately? Insane.
• 32:10
  She looked at me like I was insane.
• 32:12
  And I, I guess I didn't realize how bad that was until someone,
• 32:16
  like had pointed it out. Like, like, I'm 21.
• 32:20
  That's a year of my life spent in Overwatch, like a full year,
• 32:24
  continuous year of my life spent on Overwatch.
• 32:27
  And like, I thought about that and I was like, I got to go
• 32:29
  outside. I mean, it was like, I have to
• 32:31
  go outside. I can do something, you know.
• 32:37
  That my my version of that is Final Fantasy 14.
• 32:41
  I have 300 days of Final Fantasy 14 play but OK a.
• 32:49
  Lot of that's. AFK, a lot of that's AFK time
• 32:51
  because there's a lot of like in that game.
• 32:54
  The community is very much like let's all stand around and
• 32:57
  that's 70. 2000 or 7200 hours? Oh my gosh.
• 33:02
  Oh. My.
• 33:03
  God, that's insane. It's over.
• 33:06
  Like a decade, to be fair, but also, but also a lot of it
• 33:11
  really is like just leaving my game on and like overnight, just
• 33:18
  like, but everyone will make that excuse.
• 33:21
  But yeah. That got Overwatch.
• 33:23
  Though what are the characters that you like to play like?
• 33:27
  Tell me what do I mean? Overwatch experience.
• 33:29
  Yeah, this is an. Awesome conversation.
• 33:31
  I love this. This is awesome.
• 33:33
  I've never been asked this interview.
• 33:35
  This is what I want to be asked be like what are your lyrics
• 33:38
  mean? And I'm like, ask me about my
• 33:40
  Overwatch characters. I main if I'm playing DPS, I
• 33:45
  main junk rat or Genji. And then I recently, when I
• 33:48
  recently got back into it, I became such a nasty Hanzo for no
• 33:53
  reason. Like I just Remember Me and my
• 33:55
  boys, me and my friends will play like we'll play mystery
• 34:00
  heroes a lot just because I that's so much fun.
• 34:02
  None of us are like ranked people.
• 34:04
  I've never been like a ranked person.
• 34:05
  I feel like that much dedication to something like that.
• 34:10
  To me, it's always just been like a little like whatever.
• 34:12
  Like I like, I never like, I never Overwatch.
• 34:15
  OK, I can't even lie. I did play.
• 34:16
  I did play a little ranked Overwatch.
• 34:19
  That's when you get really toxic people is when you start playing
• 34:21
  ranked too. Yeah, and.
• 34:22
  I'm not into that. I just let me do my thing, but I
• 34:28
  played a little a little bit of ranked Overwatch, but now we
• 34:32
  play mystery heroes a lot and it's it's another thing was like
• 34:35
  Overwatch to that is with Warframes, like the community is
• 34:38
  so nice and inclusive and especially like because they're
• 34:41
  so in depth with the stories. Sorry, this is like a hard
• 34:44
  shift, but I just thought about this like it's the same thing
• 34:46
  with Overwatch. It is Warframe for me is like is
• 34:49
  so in depth and I feel like the character backgrounds and who
• 34:54
  they are as people are like extremely diverse and it's not
• 34:58
  something I've like seen in any other video game form of media.
• 35:02
  It's like Call of Duty. It is like Call of Duty.
• 35:04
  For example, I remember when Black Ops six, no Black Ops Cold
• 35:07
  War came out, they added like a non binary option and I remember
• 35:11
  everyone was losing their shit and that was so pain.
• 35:14
  I mean that made me never play Call of Duty again like that.
• 35:17
  Like that's the kind of thing like it just made me like never
• 35:19
  want to like why would I like indulge myself in something that
• 35:22
  like these like horrible minded people do?
• 35:29
  But Overwatch is the same way. And that's why that's like I
• 35:34
  love the game for that reason. It's just so diverse.
• 35:37
  And Speaking of that, Hanzo, my GOAT, I I just be hitting, I'm
• 35:41
  hitting headshots like it's nothing.
• 35:43
  It's insane. If I'm playing tank, I found out
• 35:46
  I was a pretty good Reinhardt. That's a pretty good Reinhardt,
• 35:50
  which is not like I used to like in my formative years.
• 35:53
  I would have told you I was a Diva main.
• 35:56
  I would have lied to you. OK, I I would like to say that I
• 36:01
  was good with Diva, but I think there was just no tank that I
• 36:03
  was good with is the best way to describe it.
• 36:06
  And then and then on support, probably Mercy, low key, I'm
• 36:13
  probably that's like my fast like support.
• 36:15
  I like oh, Zenyatta too. I'm really good at Zenyatta.
• 36:18
  I like to think, you know, some people are like, oh, you don't
• 36:21
  play ranked. You can't be that good.
• 36:23
  Bite me, you know, dude, leave me alone.
• 36:31
  Yeah, I don't think you have to play rank to be good at a game.
• 36:35
  It's funny, I I wish I was good at Hanzo.
• 36:37
  I, I, I've played a lot of Hanzo games.
• 36:40
  Not great. I definitely, I feel the junk
• 36:42
  rat because I'm very much a if I don't have to aim, I do a lot
• 36:47
  better if I can, just if I can just shoot from a distance and
• 36:51
  blow things up. That's how.
• 36:53
  I was when I was like when I first got the game, that's how I
• 36:57
  was, but then I found out that you can low key snipe with junk
• 37:02
  rat and ever since I ever since I like found that out, it was
• 37:07
  over. It was so over.
• 37:10
  Like I I've found that out and I have practiced my junk rat
• 37:13
  aiming. I got it like like I can bounce
• 37:17
  them in the enemy, like I can bounce his like frag cannon into
• 37:20
  enemies. I can hit head shots with them.
• 37:22
  Even if they don't and they do count.
• 37:23
  They totally do count. You can head shots and chunk rat
• 37:26
  and they do count. But I've gotten so good at just
• 37:29
  flying around with my little minds and placing a trap for the
• 37:32
  tank and there's trapping them in a corner.
• 37:35
  What's he going to do? What what are they going to do?
• 37:36
  What's the tank? What is Theresa going to do?
• 37:39
  You're trapped in a corner with my trap.
• 37:42
  What is Theresa going to do? Nothing.
• 37:44
  Because if she kills me, then I have that after effect after my
• 37:48
  death, and she's done for. Gosh, God, I love junk rats so
• 37:54
  much. God damn, dude, I love junk rats
• 37:57
  so much. He's got some.
• 37:58
  Great lines too. Amazing lines, amazing skins
• 38:01
  too. I wear this.
• 38:02
  I use the I use the Summer Games skin though, with the Beachy
• 38:07
  one, because that's like my second favorite.
• 38:10
  My favorite is the doctor Dunkenstein, but I just never
• 38:13
  got that. Never.
• 38:14
  I never end up getting Doctor Dunkenstein, which like makes me
• 38:17
  he's like a. Scarecrow, I have that.
• 38:20
  One yeah. Scarecrow's Scarecrow's tail.
• 38:23
  I really like the Scarecrow. I haven't played Overwatch in a
• 38:27
  minute. It's been all, it's been
• 38:29
  probably a couple of years since the last time I picked up
• 38:31
  Overwatch. But it it was fun for sure.
• 38:34
  So much. Fun overwatching Warframe are
• 38:37
  like my two games right now. And then I have I have a very
• 38:41
  dear personal friend who's like starting to get into video games
• 38:44
  and she's like she's like like starting to she like plays like
• 38:50
  with her family like she'll like put like Fortnite with her
• 38:52
  family. And she was like, do you want to
• 38:55
  play Fortnite with me? Because she's like my
• 38:56
  girlfriend's like best friend. And then we ended up becoming
• 38:58
  friends and it's a very lovely, lovely, lovely situation.
• 39:01
  I got, you know, I just love having like new and like new
• 39:05
  friends and stuff like that. But I remember like the first
• 39:09
  time that she was telling me about video games, I was like,
• 39:11
  oh, what video game do you play? And she's like, oh, she's been
• 39:13
  playing a lot of Fortnite. And I, I was never really into
• 39:16
  Fortnite. I never really got into that.
• 39:18
  It was never like my thing. But I will say this, they
• 39:23
  released a Sonic the Hedgehog skin and it came out like
• 39:27
  recently. I have never downloaded and
• 39:30
  grinded a game as hard as I did with with with Sonic and one of
• 39:36
  like, I guess like more of like emotes or whatever is like him
• 39:42
  with all the seven chaos emeralds like turning into
• 39:44
  golden Sonic. I may, I may have sat there from
• 39:48
  like the hours of like 5:00 PM to 4:00 in the morning every
• 39:52
  morning, just like or like every day, just like playing when I
• 39:55
  could. They did pee.
• 39:56
  I remember I did like peel off or something like they had to
• 39:59
  like like come like a they had to like come like RIP me out of
• 40:02
  my chair so I could so I could get off.
• 40:05
  But I wanted that golden Sonic skin.
• 40:07
  It was so cool. I loved it.
• 40:09
  It's so. Addicting I I played a little
• 40:12
  bit. Well, I played a lot of
• 40:13
  Fortnite. My son, like when he was like 8,
• 40:18
  really wanted to get into Fortnite and his mom was like, I
• 40:23
  don't, I don't know about that. And I was like, I'll, I'll play
• 40:26
  with him. It'll, it's fine.
• 40:27
  I'll I will sacrifice and play Fortnite.
• 40:31
  And we played all the time and it's been fun watching it like
• 40:35
  go from me carrying him to him hard carrying me.
• 40:40
  Yeah, hard carrying me. He's way bigger at Fortnite than
• 40:43
  I am now. That's how I.
• 40:44
  Feel with That's how I feel with this this aforementioned friend
• 40:48
  I have. She's not very good.
• 40:52
  So you know, she's no, she's actually, she's all right, I
• 40:56
  guess. But I'm lucky the carrier, you
• 40:58
  know, and I'm the one with the microphone.
• 41:00
  So no one gets like me, me, her and my like my, one of my
• 41:05
  childhood best friends. We play a lot and you know, I'm
• 41:09
  the one with the microphone. So I can sit here and say that
• 41:11
  I'm the one cranking 90s and I'm getting all the kills and I'm
• 41:15
  doing all these different things.
• 41:16
  They don't have the microform or the platform to be able to
• 41:20
  dispute what I've got going on. So I can, I can just pretty much
• 41:24
  say you confidently, I am the the Fortnite master or whatever
• 41:29
  they call it. Over here or whatever I.
• 41:32
  Don't know. I don't know.
• 41:33
  I'm dying. We're gonna.
• 41:35
  Call it right here, David from Deer, Cincinnati is the once in
• 41:39
  the future ninja of Fortnite. Yeah, let's.
• 41:41
  Do it. Let's just put that in.
• 41:43
  Why not the future ninja? Of Fortnite, that's.
• 41:45
  Tough. I'm gonna start to call.
• 41:47
  I'm gonna I'm gonna add that like a suffix to my name like
• 41:51
  I'm gonna put I have to go get my driver's license renewed.
• 41:53
  I'm gonna put that. I'm gonna ask me to put that on
• 41:55
  my driver's license like the future.
• 41:56
  Can I get that as my? Middle name please?
• 41:58
  Yeah, you meant. Ninja like like the streamer
• 42:01
  Ninja. How was Streamer?
• 42:02
  That's what I was. Saying I was thinking like.
• 42:04
  That's just the title. Like I'm just so sneaky on
• 42:06
  Fortnite that I'm just the goat, you know what I mean?
• 42:08
  It could be that. Too.
• 42:09
  That's even better, actually. Ninja is from Detroit and he's a
• 42:13
  Lions fan, so I once I found that out, I actually started to
• 42:16
  really enjoy Ninja. Never watched like a Ninja
• 42:18
  stream or whatever, but you know, yeah.
• 42:21
  So. Sonic, you're a big Sonic fan.
• 42:25
  That was one. That was one of the things that
• 42:27
  you listed. So I am a.
• 42:29
  Pretty. Pretty big Sonic the Hedgehog
• 42:31
  fan. I love Sonic give.
• 42:35
  Me, your, I, I know I asked for the origin story and everything,
• 42:39
  but I think it's so interesting hearing how people get into
• 42:41
  stuff. What was your entry point for
• 42:43
  Sonic? Walgreens circa 2000, like 9 or
• 42:48
  10. I'm like walking around with my
• 42:51
  Nana. By the way, I've mentioned her a
• 42:53
  couple times. Love my Nana to death.
• 42:55
  I hope she sees this Nana. I hope you're all right.
• 42:58
  I love you. Shout out, Nana.
• 42:59
  I do. I shout her out at every one of
• 43:00
  my shows just because I love. I love that woman to death.
• 43:04
  She's absolutely amazing. Oh gosh, I couldn't talk enough.
• 43:08
  But if that's if you ever want to know what I could geek out
• 43:10
  on, be my Nana love her to death.
• 43:13
  They're just an amazing human being.
• 43:15
  She that's the sweetest. Thing I've ever heard yeah, I.
• 43:17
  Was I was raised by her like she was like I was raised by her and
• 43:23
  just, you know, I don't, I don't go anywhere.
• 43:26
  Like every time I, I try and do, I try and like send her photos
• 43:29
  of everywhere I go just because, you know, and she's just most
• 43:34
  special, like one of the most special people in my life.
• 43:37
  But it's beyond the point. Circa 2009 or 10, I'm in a
• 43:40
  Walgreen. No, I'm in the CVS.
• 43:42
  That was right by the house I grew up in my Nan's getting a
• 43:46
  prescription or something and I like walk over they used on a
• 43:49
  toy aisle at CVS like a really good one.
• 43:52
  I remember and they like down at the bottom shelf where I could
• 43:57
  see they had like a bunch of like plush toys.
• 44:00
  Like a bunch of like plush toys. They had a Sonic the Hedgehog 1.
• 44:05
  And I saw that. I was like, Oh my gosh, that's
• 44:07
  so cool. So I remember that.
• 44:09
  And I went back to like the, the, you know, like the family
• 44:13
  computer. Yeah.
• 44:14
  Do you have a family computer? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:18
  I remember. We went back, I went back to the
• 44:19
  family computer. I like, I snuck around.
• 44:22
  I like ninja to the computer room, as we called it.
• 44:26
  It was it wasn't the computer room, just where the where my
• 44:28
  dog would sleep, but it was the computer room to me.
• 44:32
  And I like ninja at like 11:30 at night because everyone was
• 44:36
  asleep. I definitely wasn't supposed to
• 44:37
  be awake. I had school the next morning
• 44:39
  and I was like, what is Sonic? And from there I can confidently
• 44:43
  tell you that Sonic the Hedgehog is is one of the most like peak
• 44:51
  things in the world. Like a for me, like growing up
• 44:53
  from the ages of like 5. I would.
• 44:56
  Say to like 12 but no to now. It was like Pokémon and Sonic
• 45:00
  like my two things like Oh my gosh, but Sonic first Sonic game
• 45:05
  I ever got was was Sonic colors for the Wii.
• 45:08
  That game is awesome and you can't.
• 45:10
  Get my game. All the time.
• 45:12
  You cannot convince me that Sonic Colors for the Wii isn't
• 45:15
  so peak. And you you just can't.
• 45:18
  And then I got a Sega Dreamcast. Like I remember my like some
• 45:22
  family member or something, I don't know what it was brought,
• 45:25
  oh, brought over like a bunch of like brought an original Xbox
• 45:29
  over and like some other stuff. When I was like 9.
• 45:34
  There's like a couple years, five years after the fact.
• 45:37
  I was pretty young when I found out about Sonic.
• 45:40
  It was probably like I found out about Sonic when I was 6.
• 45:43
  And then like 3-4 years later, I was like 10 years old.
• 45:45
  I get like an original Xbox. There's like some like old like
• 45:49
  junk that my like family didn't want and a Sega Dreamcast and
• 45:52
  the Sega Dreamcast I was like drawn to how the controller
• 45:55
  looked because I thought it was super cool.
• 45:56
  It's so. Cool.
• 45:57
  I don't know why Sega Dreamcast didn't do better.
• 46:00
  I don't know. That's a cool system.
• 46:03
  I don't know. Either, but I like plugged in
• 46:07
  the Sega Dreamcast to the TV, which took me like hours because
• 46:13
  I didn't know how anything worked back then.
• 46:15
  So that took me like hours, but I finally figured it out and
• 46:18
  there's already a game in there and it was Sonic Adventure.
• 46:23
  You couldn't. Pull me off.
• 46:25
  Sonic Adventure. It was so awesome.
• 46:29
  And then when I was like a couple years down the line when
• 46:32
  I had like, like unrestricted access to the Internet, like I
• 46:37
  had a phone, I found out that there was a Sonic Adventures
• 46:40
  too. And at this point, someone in my
• 46:43
  family had already sold my Sega Dreamcast.
• 46:46
  I was heartbroken, I was devastated, but someone had
• 46:49
  already sold my Sega Dreamcast. So I emulated Sonic Adventure 2
• 46:54
  on my PC, and I love Sonic. It's so fire.
• 46:58
  I don't really remember why I was so drawn to it or any of the
• 47:01
  games, but I love Sonic. Sometimes you just are.
• 47:06
  Yeah, that's fine. I remember on.
• 47:08
  Valentine's Day when I was in middle school, none of my
• 47:12
  friends like, it was weird. None of my friends like we like
• 47:17
  didn't have like, we didn't have like like girlfriends or
• 47:20
  whatever. And we were all like weirdly
• 47:22
  upset about it. Because when you're in middle
• 47:24
  school and there's like nothing else to like do or like think
• 47:27
  about, you gotta read bills to pay or anything.
• 47:29
  So you think about your like, so like you think about like you're
• 47:32
  like social standing. I get like I never was super
• 47:35
  deep into it, but like a lot of the people around me were.
• 47:38
  So I was like, Oh, this is must be something I have to care
• 47:40
  about. And I remember we were all like
• 47:43
  upset that we didn't have girlfriends.
• 47:46
  So I got my Nana to drive all of us in suits to go see the Sonic
• 47:52
  movie, The live action Sonic, but it just come out and I at
• 47:56
  the time thought this was the like the greatest thing I could
• 48:00
  have ever done. That was like like go see that
• 48:03
  on Valentine's Day. And we were like the only people
• 48:05
  in the movie theater is awesome, which.
• 48:09
  Then. I was like, this is awesome.
• 48:12
  We're the only ones doing like this peak activity today.
• 48:14
  Now I look back at it and I'm like, oh, because everyone was
• 48:17
  just their significant other and their partner probably
• 48:20
  celebrating Valentine's Day. Except I'm pretty sure there was
• 48:24
  this one couple in there that was like there was like pretty
• 48:29
  big into Sonic. Like I'm pretty sure that's what
• 48:30
  they did for their Valentine's Day.
• 48:33
  Like they like, it was pretty cool.
• 48:35
  I remember, I don't think we were alone.
• 48:36
  I'm I'm I kind of like my memories like shift in and out.
• 48:39
  So it's like I feel like that remembered like exactly what
• 48:42
  happened. Or was it Sonic 2 that I saw
• 48:46
  where there was a couple that was like really into Sonic?
• 48:48
  Like we, I talked to both of them and they were just like
• 48:52
  explaining their like lore with Sonic.
• 48:56
  I was like, OK, like that's cool.
• 48:59
  I was like you guys are awesome, but how did you feel about?
• 49:02
  Ugly Sonic, like before they changed him for the movie, Were
• 49:06
  you were you upset about it or were you just whatever?
• 49:11
  I, I was upset for a time. I was upset and I was about to
• 49:17
  go storm to Paramount and like I like release like hell, Like I
• 49:26
  was about to release like the the 10 plagues onto the
• 49:30
  Paramount studios, But when them changing Sonic into what he
• 49:39
  looks like now for the live action movies was so like I like
• 49:47
  I don't remember. Like my reaction was so like
• 49:51
  like I was like in so much like like awe about it that I forgot
• 49:57
  to be mad, like still be angry at paramount because like I
• 50:00
  don't believe that corporations can do right ever.
• 50:03
  I feel like they don't. A lot of the times corporations
• 50:05
  don't do right because greed, you know, but it's.
• 50:10
  Very, very rare, for sure, yeah. But Paramount Studios changing
• 50:17
  the Sonic design. It was beautiful.
• 50:21
  It was a beautiful time we lived in.
• 50:23
  It was, it was quite, it was quite for a second, I, I started
• 50:26
  to, I started to question the revolution.
• 50:29
  I was like, well, what are we fighting here?
• 50:30
  You know, I, I was like, for a second I was like, well, hold
• 50:35
  on. Well, maybe it's OK.
• 50:37
  I was like. Look, let's leave Paramount out
• 50:40
  of this. I was like, they just change.
• 50:42
  They change Sonic. But no, I'm serious now.
• 50:45
  I was like so stoked about it. I was.
• 50:48
  It was so crazy. I remember when all that
• 50:50
  happened, I was like, when will we come out?
• 50:53
  Did you ever? Did you ever see the Chip and
• 50:54
  Dale movie with with ugly Sonic in it?
• 50:57
  I did. Because like I was like big I, I
• 51:00
  did, I don't know. It was around the same time as
• 51:02
  like. Sonic too.
• 51:03
  Yeah, yeah, I. Don't know how they got the
• 51:05
  rights to use that but I don't know but it's.
• 51:08
  Fantastic and and played by Tim Robinson from What is that show
• 51:14
  called? Yeah.
• 51:16
  Detroiters and which? Detroit?
• 51:19
  But Detroiters, and I think you should, I think you should
• 51:22
  leave, yes. I I.
• 51:25
  Like watched Detroiters relatively recently and I had
• 51:28
  never seen I think you should leave, but I like started, I
• 51:33
  think you should leave and Sam, what is the comedian's name?
• 51:37
  The other dude in Detroiters, Sam, I want to say his last
• 51:40
  name's Richardson. Maybe I'm not like I'm looking.
• 51:44
  It up for you? We'll we'll Google it.
• 51:46
  Sam Richardson's right. Good job, Yeah.
• 51:48
  He was in, he was in I think you should leave.
• 51:52
  And I'm a big, I'm a big believer in like comedy duos.
• 51:55
  I think people like if it's not broke, don't fix it.
• 52:00
  And those two together are so funny that like, I didn't think
• 52:03
  I think you should leave. It's going to be that funny.
• 52:05
  But he's in a lot of it, apparently.
• 52:08
  Yeah. So, yeah, he's in.
• 52:09
  He's in a lot of the sketches for sure.
• 52:11
  OK, good. It's so good.
• 52:12
  I, I quote that without thinking about it all the time.
• 52:17
  Yeah. Me and my friends quote the the
• 52:19
  hot dog cor quite a lot. Still to this day my favorite
• 52:23
  my. Personal favorite is like
• 52:24
  anytime I'm talking about never a phase network or talking about
• 52:27
  this podcast, I'm like there's got to be some way to make money
• 52:30
  from it. It's.
• 52:32
  Too. Good dude, I know.
• 52:34
  Talking about yeah, there's so much quote about me, me and my
• 52:39
  me and my girlfriend. We quote the we quote this thing
• 52:41
  from Detroiters. They like, like get a van and
• 52:45
  like 1 like one of the other character like paints like Sam
• 52:48
  Richardson and Tim Robinson onto the dam.
• 52:50
  And they're like horrible paintings.
• 52:53
  And and Tim Robbinson is just like, oh, you really captured
• 52:56
  my, you know, my corncob smile and my Gray, Gray skin.
• 53:00
  And I'll just look at her and be like, or like, well, or I'll
• 53:02
  look at her. I'll be like, I'll be like my
• 53:04
  name Mike Cyclops. And I work for NASA.
• 53:08
  Like I like we quote that Bubba Sparks.
• 53:11
  That's another really funny one. He's he's he's such an amazing
• 53:15
  comedian, such an amazing. Yeah.
• 53:21
  Back on Sonic for a minute. So.
• 53:24
  So what would you say is your favorite Sonic game if you had
• 53:27
  to pick one? Sonic.
• 53:27
  Adventures. No, Sonic Adventure Colors is
• 53:31
  like that for Colors is like your colors, like that old
• 53:38
  friend that you were really close with as a kid.
• 53:40
  And then you've grown up and you you just kind of like see that
• 53:44
  dude's posts on Facebook and you're like, OK, you're like,
• 53:50
  here's a like, I guess you know what I mean?
• 53:53
  Like that's, that's kind of like almost Sonic Colors.
• 53:56
  He's just kind of like that old friend on Facebook that I used
• 53:59
  to be really close with. I still love the game.
• 54:02
  Like, I still really like this guy, but it's like we're in,
• 54:05
  we're in two separate worlds now we're in two.
• 54:07
  Different places now, yeah 2. Completely separate places.
• 54:11
  That's my. Favorite description of anything
• 54:14
  ever and I'll and you can quote me on that later.
• 54:16
  I think that's fantastic. I love that and I'm thinking
• 54:19
  right now of how I can use that in my personal life in the near
• 54:22
  future. I've always.
• 54:25
  Got like a weird way of like I forgot what it was one time.
• 54:30
  But like my girlfriend and I really got like a gas station.
• 54:33
  Really. She's like saying something.
• 54:35
  She's like talking like oh it's baggy pants.
• 54:38
  I'm pretty anti baggy pants. I don't like them and everyone
• 54:42
  wants me to put on baggy pants. Like everyone thinks I would
• 54:44
  look so cool in baggy pants. I've never been like concerned
• 54:48
  with looking cool or anything, but they all want me to put on
• 54:51
  like baggy pants and I like looked at her and I was like, I
• 54:55
  was like baggy pants. To me, it sounds like when you
• 54:57
  put like a dog in like shoes, you know, they like kind of like
• 55:00
  clop around. Like that's how I would feel.
• 55:03
  That's how I do feel in baggy pants.
• 55:05
  Like I like clop around. I don't know if clop is the
• 55:08
  right term, but I'm thinking like a horse now.
• 55:10
  They like like clop on the ground.
• 55:11
  Exactly what you're saying. Like kitten mittens?
• 55:14
  Like kitten? Mittens Yeah, exactly.
• 55:17
  Like watching like a. Baby walk around in the snow, I
• 55:20
  I. Think it's great.
• 55:21
  Actually, I think that's probably what makes you like a
• 55:25
  great musician, a great artist, is that you think differently
• 55:29
  and you can draw these like comparisons to things that maybe
• 55:34
  other people wouldn't necessarily.
• 55:37
  Thank you. It means a lot.
• 55:39
  Thank you. That's makes you really.
• 55:40
  Fun to talk to so thank you I. Could talk I I you're also an
• 55:44
  extremely fun person to talk to. I like, I like didn't know, like
• 55:48
  I never know what to expect with things like this, and I'm always
• 55:50
  expecting like I I'm not the greatest socially, so I don't
• 55:55
  like I don't know. I never know how to expect how
• 55:57
  I'm gonna be, but this is this. This is felt like I'm always
• 56:01
  scared. You're on.
• 56:01
  Fire. Put me on late night.
• 56:06
  Put me on. Late night.
• 56:08
  But no, I'm always like scared that I'm gonna like make it
• 56:11
  awkward or like I'm like say the wrong thing.
• 56:13
  I'm I'm an extremely extremely anxious anxious.
• 56:17
  Person. Very, very.
• 56:18
  Anxious. I'm always scared of like doing
• 56:21
  something wrong, like that's my like it's one of my big things.
• 56:23
  I'm always scared of like making a misstep.
• 56:27
  But this has been like super like easy.
• 56:29
  I love this. This is awesome.
• 56:30
  I wish like I wish every interview was off play with like
• 56:32
  this. This is awesome.
• 56:34
  I'm. Glad I'm glad you feel that way.
• 56:35
  I I, you know, I think that's the beauty of doing things this
• 56:39
  way. And like I've told people this,
• 56:41
  I'm here to make fun content for people to consume.
• 56:43
  But also I'm here because I like talking to cool people.
• 56:46
  And yeah, like, who's cooler than, like, emo musicians?
• 56:50
  No one. A lot of people.
• 56:52
  But we're going to pretend where the coolest.
• 56:57
  I really, I love it. Anyways, here's my this is my
• 57:01
  we've done a lot of click bait stuff actually.
• 57:03
  So I think you, you've given me a lot of clips, but I'm in a
• 57:05
  farm for just a little bit more because this is my favorite type
• 57:08
  of segment, which is I'm going to give you a Sonic character,
• 57:12
  OK. And we'll just go through like
• 57:14
  5. And then I want you to give me
• 57:16
  an emo band that you think is represented by that by.
• 57:21
  That Sonic character, any era or should it be like this?
• 57:23
  Like current? It could be any.
• 57:24
  Era, OK, any era. It's it's whoever you can think
• 57:28
  of. It doesn't even have to be an
• 57:29
  emo band. Like if you if you're like that
• 57:31
  person, this, this character reminds me of whoever.
• 57:34
  It doesn't matter. We'll start with the the
• 57:37
  hedgehog himself. How about Sonic the Tensioner?
• 57:40
  Character himself, you know, man, I don't.
• 57:48
  I feel like Sonic has to be like, I feel like there's a
• 57:54
  bunch of different aspects of Sonic that make him Sonic, and I
• 57:58
  see that in a couple of different bands.
• 58:00
  I'm not trying to be like to be 1.
• 58:02
  OK, yeah, give me a couple. I'm not trying.
• 58:04
  To be like that, like that guy or whatever.
• 58:07
  But I would say that my bands pretty Sonic.
• 58:11
  Like in a way, I feel like we're pretty.
• 58:13
  I feel like he's pretty fun, fun and can be serious when it needs
• 58:19
  to and like sort of things like that.
• 58:20
  But outside of my band, we'll start.
• 58:22
  This is when the clickbait starts.
• 58:24
  I'll start mentioning other people.
• 58:25
  This is right now. Clickbait starts now.
• 58:28
  We could, we could say. It started just a second ago.
• 58:31
  Internet whenever. It's Snatty.
• 58:34
  Here's your snatty. Is the Sonic comedy voicing the
• 58:36
  new Sonic? Are we all collectively voicing
• 58:38
  the new Sonic? Like all of us five times?
• 58:42
  Like all of us have our own separate minds and at the.
• 58:44
  Same time yeah, I like it we're. All we're.
• 58:47
  All on. Beat with each other.
• 58:49
  We're not all speaking at the same time.
• 58:50
  We're speaking in different like in different like like voice,
• 58:54
  character instincts and stuff. We all have like a different
• 58:57
  idea. I truly think Sonic should be
• 58:59
  French this time around. So it's like the one dude
• 59:01
  speaking a French accent. Sonic play.
• 59:05
  You know, I might give Sonic Dang.
• 59:11
  Who would I give Sonic to? I I feel like he needs to be
• 59:16
  pretty titular pretty like a main character esque.
• 59:20
  I would probably and I'm also judging this based off what I
• 59:23
  think that the that they would listen to.
• 59:26
  I think Sonic would listen to something a little heavier and
• 59:31
  faster, but also with some feeling low key, just to put it
• 59:34
  there. I think Taking Back Sunday could
• 59:35
  be Sonic. I think that's a good snag right
• 59:37
  there. I think they fit that like yeah,
• 59:40
  I'm going to go ahead and lock that.
• 59:41
  I think Taking Back Sunday would be Sonic, but yeah, but I'll do
• 59:45
  some newer bands and some bands more in the scenes.
• 59:47
  The other one any. Specific Taking Back Sunday
• 59:51
  album that you think is the most Sonic I have a.
• 59:53
  Specific take Back Sunday song that I think would be the most
• 59:55
  Sonic. Yeah, I think.
• 59:58
  That a werewolves New Jersey, you know, the ones like get up,
• 1:00:03
  get up, get up, come on, let's go.
• 1:00:05
  I that just gives me such like I feel like I would see that like
• 1:00:08
  a Sonic OST. You know what I mean?
• 1:00:10
  I like that. Great song.
• 1:00:12
  That's another one that's just always stuck in my head, even if
• 1:00:15
  I haven't listened to it in like a year.
• 1:00:17
  It's it'll it'll just randomly pop up in my head.
• 1:00:21
  Tails the fox, I feel. Like Tails actually.
• 1:00:25
  This is why I this is the first one I thought about.
• 1:00:28
  I think Origami Angel is Tails 100%.
• 1:00:30
  I feel like Tails would really, really fuck with Origami Angel
• 1:00:35
  and you know, oh, or Sonic could be the Wonder years too.
• 1:00:40
  I'm just bringing up my favorite bands, but I'm still locked down
• 1:00:43
  Taking Back Sunday. I just feel like came like came
• 1:00:47
  out swinging. It starts like a Sonic song.
• 1:00:49
  So you know, we're going to change that.
• 1:00:51
  Sonic Wonder Years, Origami Angel, or who else would be
• 1:00:56
  Tails? I could see.
• 1:00:59
  Something a little more mathy be tailed maybe?
• 1:01:02
  Like maybe tails his niche and listens to like TTNG or
• 1:01:06
  something, you know what I mean? Like maybe that retails it a
• 1:01:10
  Loki either GOMI gang because of how like the just like the
• 1:01:14
  feeling that they give or like something like TTNG or yeah, I'm
• 1:01:20
  a lock that in one of those two. How about?
• 1:01:23
  Knuckles. Knuckles, man, Knuckles is some
• 1:01:28
  like drug church stuff or like and Knuckles is like drug church
• 1:01:33
  or like and I that sounded like I was like like shitting on drug
• 1:01:36
  church. I'm not, I'm not like they seem
• 1:01:39
  like wonderful people. I haven't personally like
• 1:01:41
  listened to them, but they're also on the list.
• 1:01:43
  They're knuckles like drug church or like a current band in
• 1:01:49
  this lineup, Man, I don't even know, but probably drug church.
• 1:01:54
  I think like I don't know why that those two like kind of
• 1:01:56
  clicked in my brain. It's I saw them and they were
• 1:01:58
  really good. And that dude's voice just kind
• 1:02:01
  of gives me like knuckles in my in my mind.
• 1:02:04
  So you got that? Amy Rose, Amy.
• 1:02:08
  Rose. Oh my gosh.
• 1:02:11
  I think Amy Rose. Personally.
• 1:02:13
  Out of everyone in the Sonic universe that we've brought up
• 1:02:16
  so far, I think Amy Rose would be the most tapped in into this
• 1:02:19
  scene. Out of any.
• 1:02:22
  Of the other Sonic characters, Susan gives me the vibes that
• 1:02:25
  she would really like to go to shows so I'd be able to show.
• 1:02:30
  With Amy Rose, I would I would hang out.
• 1:02:32
  With Amy Rose, that would be awesome.
• 1:02:33
  I would, I would want her to like I want to hold the hammer
• 1:02:37
  just because I want to see how proportionate it would be to me.
• 1:02:40
  But you know, but I truly feel like Amy Rose would be so tapped
• 1:02:44
  into this scene. It's not even funny.
• 1:02:48
  I feel like she would she needs something emotional that I feel
• 1:02:54
  like that's Amy Rose. Is it like she needs something
• 1:02:56
  like really emotional? I feel like Amy Rose would
• 1:02:58
  really like feel like Amy Rose could really like like red Sun
• 1:03:02
  and like that like veil of bands.
• 1:03:05
  And I feel like Amy Rose could also be like one of those people
• 1:03:09
  that's like, you know, she respects the classics.
• 1:03:13
  I feel like she could be pretty big.
• 1:03:14
  A Fall Out Boy that gives me. I think Amy Rose and Tales would
• 1:03:18
  build like Stereosity. That's another one.
• 1:03:20
  Yeah. I feel like Amy Rose would like
• 1:03:22
  Stereosity. I'm just, like, unlocking all
• 1:03:27
  these. I get so nervous in social
• 1:03:28
  situations that, like, my mind kind of like, shuts off.
• 1:03:30
  So I'm unlocking other bands. I feel like Sonic could be
• 1:03:33
  Harrison Gordon, too. I see that 100%.
• 1:03:36
  Could see that. For sure.
• 1:03:38
  Oh oh. My gosh, actually, I would see,
• 1:03:43
  I could see Amy Rose really liking Arm's Length 100%.
• 1:03:47
  I could see her liking Arm's Length a lot.
• 1:03:49
  I feel like it's deeply emotional, like to where where
• 1:03:53
  she needs to be that unrequited love for Sonic she has.
• 1:03:56
  I feel like that's like that, that like arm's length is like,
• 1:03:59
  yeah, I'm unlock an arm length for her.
• 1:04:03
  My last my last character for you is Shadow, of course.
• 1:04:07
  I have the album actually, that I think Shadow would be into.
• 1:04:10
  I have a couple actually. I think Blame It on the Weather
• 1:04:14
  by Kerosene Heights. That's something that Shadow
• 1:04:16
  would just absolutely eat up. I think that is it brooding
• 1:04:22
  enough. I don't know that I do love that
• 1:04:24
  album though. I wouldn't blame anyone for
• 1:04:26
  loving. That is one of my favorite
• 1:04:28
  albums of all time. Maybe there's a?
• 1:04:30
  Darkness to that record that so that like you've really got to
• 1:04:34
  like hear and I think Shadow fits that.
• 1:04:38
  I also think Shadow would like the newest arm's length record
• 1:04:42
  like I really feel like that, but I also really shadow with
• 1:04:45
  like like Rites of Spring, you know what I mean?
• 1:04:48
  Like Shadow would be like you'd be like kind of like a
• 1:04:50
  contrarian, like all the like like stuff like that.
• 1:04:55
  I think Shadow would also probably like I in my mind,
• 1:04:59
  especially with, you know, his origin story, I think he kind of
• 1:05:07
  reflects no closer to heaven. Not to bring up that album for
• 1:05:10
  like a fourth time on this podcast, but I feel like that
• 1:05:14
  you can invoke. That album, anytime you want
• 1:05:16
  that grief. That Shadow has just kind of
• 1:05:19
  gives me the same vibe. That's a good question.
• 1:05:21
  I like this. I know I locked down like a
• 1:05:22
  definite list though, but yeah, I think that Sonic just to give
• 1:05:28
  like the full list. Sonic probably I'm going to
• 1:05:31
  actually change him to Harrison Gordon.
• 1:05:35
  I think Harrison Gordon when Sonic would mix, I think Tales
• 1:05:39
  would probably be into like if I do like give Tales a band,
• 1:05:44
  probably Gami gang, I would give Amy, I would give her stereosity
• 1:05:50
  or like Fall Out Boy Knuckles, I'm still standing on drug
• 1:05:53
  church. That's like, that's a drug
• 1:05:56
  church or like or like spray nerd.
• 1:05:58
  I don't know why those two, but like, but like Apple, but like
• 1:06:02
  Applebee's bar kind of comes up in my mind when I think of
• 1:06:05
  Knuckles. Like in this like moment, it's
• 1:06:07
  like Thrunk Shorts or Straynard. And then I'm given a good shadow
• 1:06:10
  like Kerosene Heights to the Wonder Years.
• 1:06:12
  I'm taking that away from Sonic because no closer to heaven is
• 1:06:14
  just like feel like that's like that shadow.
• 1:06:17
  The grief is there. You know what I mean?
• 1:06:20
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:06:23
  Well, thank you. That's that I like.
• 1:06:25
  I like how serious you were about answering all of those.
• 1:06:28
  I think that's the best. These are the most.
• 1:06:31
  Serious questions I can answer. So let's let's talk about deer
• 1:06:35
  Cincinnati for a minute. We've we're at time, but
• 1:06:38
  whatever if we could talk all. Night.
• 1:06:40
  I would be OK with that. Just get the best, get the best.
• 1:06:43
  Keep it rolling. Yeah, keep it rolling.
• 1:06:47
  I, I'm wearing my Carly Cosgrove hat.
• 1:06:49
  I talked to Lucas from Carly Cosgrove and we talked, we
• 1:06:53
  didn't, we didn't even talk about different stuff.
• 1:06:56
  We only talked about Warhammer 40K and we talked about
• 1:07:00
  Warhammer 40K for, I'm not joking, two hours.
• 1:07:03
  And at the end I had to be like, hey, dude, I've I've got to like
• 1:07:07
  go. Yeah.
• 1:07:08
  I was like, I don't want to because this is the most
• 1:07:11
  entertaining. I've like, but I I got to leave
• 1:07:14
  anyways. I was going to mention.
• 1:07:16
  The Carly Cosgrove hat. Because they're, they're sick.
• 1:07:20
  I like them a lot. They're so good.
• 1:07:21
  They're so sick. They're so good, Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  But yeah, let's talk to your Cincinnati for a minute.
• 1:07:28
  You mentioned new music that maybe we should or shouldn't
• 1:07:30
  talk about. Yeah, let's talk about.
• 1:07:32
  It when can we? Expect some songs.
• 1:07:34
  Do you have it's like single dates in mind or?
• 1:07:39
  We like to keep stuff like I, I don't know, we're always, we
• 1:07:44
  kind of like, we like keeping stuff under wraps because we
• 1:07:47
  like surprising people. I think in my personal, in my
• 1:07:50
  mind, we like surprising people. And, and if I don't speak for
• 1:07:54
  the whole band, I speak for me. I like when we surprise people.
• 1:07:56
  I like when people don't expect it.
• 1:07:58
  But I will say this, I think the newest record we're working on I
• 1:08:05
  think is some of the most important songs that we have
• 1:08:11
  worked on to date. Like there's songs that you like
• 1:08:17
  write and record that are like for you.
• 1:08:22
  But for me, a lot of this is like a lot of this is for me,
• 1:08:25
  obviously. But I feel as if this is
• 1:08:28
  something that fans are going to resonate with pretty heavily.
• 1:08:32
  It's been a, it's been a hell of a process and we have put in
• 1:08:38
  very hard work and, and you know, it's been super, it's the
• 1:08:45
  word I'm looking for. It's kind of escaping me.
• 1:08:48
  It's, it's been just one of those things where it's like we
• 1:08:51
  clock in and clock out, but we never really clock out.
• 1:08:55
  You know what I mean? I'm we're always thinking the
• 1:08:57
  things that we can add to these songs, take away from these
• 1:08:59
  songs, things we can change, things we can do just to make
• 1:09:02
  them the truest expression of ourselves and the truest
• 1:09:07
  expression of our music. Because something that we have
• 1:09:10
  always, you know, kind of believed in is just is honesty
• 1:09:15
  with the records. I we never want to make
• 1:09:18
  something that isn't true to ourselves.
• 1:09:20
  We always will. And I think these are and like,
• 1:09:23
  especially with my like lyric writing process, I think that
• 1:09:26
  this is the deepest I get to date with some of these songs.
• 1:09:32
  Not to say that I haven't put the thought behind any of the
• 1:09:37
  other things I've released, but I think, you know, circumstance,
• 1:09:42
  circumstance wise, writing the record has weaved into my own
• 1:09:47
  personal life and I it's kind of on display here.
• 1:09:51
  I don't want to be I I feel like there's some bands, it's
• 1:09:55
  throughout the the history of music that aren't really true
• 1:10:01
  and, and they don't tell the full story and we don't want to
• 1:10:06
  be that. We're never going to be that.
• 1:10:09
  I think the only way to have that sort of relationship with
• 1:10:14
  fans is to be as honest as possible.
• 1:10:16
  It's like, I don't like, you know, it's not an awesome thing
• 1:10:20
  to like write about how I've been like a not favorable person
• 1:10:27
  throughout the years. And, you know, I, I wish I could
• 1:10:33
  just like kind of scream about, you know, the pursuit of of
• 1:10:37
  mental fortitude I have been taking.
• 1:10:39
  But to me, I just don't think that makes a very good record.
• 1:10:44
  I guess, you know, like if I were to sing about that.
• 1:10:47
  So I want to be honest with people.
• 1:10:49
  I want to tell a story. I want I want to tell people
• 1:10:52
  exactly like how it is. And that's just something I'm
• 1:10:56
  never going to shy away from. You know, I think sometimes what
• 1:11:00
  people need to hear is, you know, someone else.
• 1:11:03
  I think some people can struggle with being honest with
• 1:11:08
  themselves. And I think that, you know, it
• 1:11:14
  just kind of takes like an example or it takes like a, you
• 1:11:18
  know, to take to garner that strength.
• 1:11:22
  So, yeah, I guess I don't know, like thinking about the record
• 1:11:28
  is like almost like surreal to me because I'm, I'm very excited
• 1:11:32
  to show this to the world. Because a big reason why I do
• 1:11:36
  this is because I know what it's like to be like, 16 years old
• 1:11:40
  and just listening to a bunch of records up in, you know, my room
• 1:11:46
  and thinking about the woes of the world and my own personal
• 1:11:50
  life and the struggles and hardships I've fought.
• 1:11:53
  And that kind of saved me, especially like, around the time
• 1:11:57
  that I like, I really got into e-mail music, I had like, you
• 1:12:01
  know, I'd lost my faith in religion and all that because
• 1:12:05
  that was just a very toxic community of people.
• 1:12:08
  And I had, you know, I just lost my mom around that time.
• 1:12:17
  And so when you feel like the world's ending, when you don't
• 1:12:21
  have those headphones on, you know, you get this like, special
• 1:12:26
  feeling. It's almost like the people in
• 1:12:29
  this community feel something that's a little esoteric to,
• 1:12:31
  like, everybody else outside of like, that's not under this
• 1:12:36
  veil. And when we were in
• 1:12:38
  Indianapolis, our first, like, tour, that we did like really
• 1:12:43
  outside of the South like that. I remember someone came up to me
• 1:12:47
  after I was just explaining that to somebody and like his fan was
• 1:12:50
  just coming up to say like, what a good show.
• 1:12:52
  And I, this is the type of thing that I like sit up in my room
• 1:12:56
  and like tear up about if I think about it too much.
• 1:12:58
  But this fan was like, you know, they were just talking about how
• 1:13:03
  they like have felt so alone recently.
• 1:13:06
  And this is like the least alone that they have felt in so long.
• 1:13:10
  And it doesn't matter what we do with it.
• 1:13:13
  It doesn't matter if one person or 1 billion people hear it, if
• 1:13:18
  I can be there to service and help someone feel a little bit
• 1:13:24
  better about themselves and the the life that they are leading,
• 1:13:30
  then I have done everything I possibly could as a human being,
• 1:13:34
  right? You know what I mean?
• 1:13:36
  There's a lot of hate in this world.
• 1:13:39
  There's so much of it. There's so much just
• 1:13:42
  disgustingness that just kind of like clog, you know, the
• 1:13:47
  Airways. And as vocal as I am about the
• 1:13:53
  things that are going on, whether that be in the world, in
• 1:13:57
  our country, you know, I feel like as if in the band too,
• 1:14:05
  we're trying to do something that might help a little bit,
• 1:14:11
  you know, take kind of ease that wound.
• 1:14:15
  Because I mean, it's a scary, the world is a scary fucking
• 1:14:17
  place right now. It's it's horrifying on top of
• 1:14:21
  just, you know, people who suffer with, you know, mental
• 1:14:25
  illness. It's a scary place.
• 1:14:26
  So, you know, whatever we can do to help, especially because we
• 1:14:29
  have a platform, you know, like we have a platform to be able to
• 1:14:33
  speak up for the people who don't have a voice and to help
• 1:14:39
  the people who who need it that, that feel like the world has
• 1:14:43
  abandoned them and, and not to get like, like existential about
• 1:14:48
  it and think about like, oh, what's my point in life?
• 1:14:49
  Or like make it sound like I'm like, we're like superheroes.
• 1:14:53
  But I think that a lot of bands, after meeting them and talking
• 1:14:56
  to them and becoming friends, feel, you know, eerily similar
• 1:15:03
  where, you know, we all recognize, especially in this
• 1:15:06
  space, that like, it's a shitty place out there.
• 1:15:09
  And we're doing this for ourselves because it's a, it's
• 1:15:12
  like the greatest form of therapy.
• 1:15:13
  But we know that there are people out there that when they
• 1:15:16
  hear it, their day just gets a little brighter.
• 1:15:19
  And to speak only for myself, that puts a smile on my face,
• 1:15:24
  especially when, you know, you feel like you're not doing
• 1:15:27
  anything. You're just kind of saying
• 1:15:28
  stagnant. So yeah.
• 1:15:30
  The new record I feel is is as serviceable as I could get to my
• 1:15:37
  community and to give back to the wonderful people that I've
• 1:15:41
  met throughout the time of this crazy ass journey that's been
• 1:15:46
  this band. Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  So that that the new record is is it's pretty good.
• 1:15:53
  I think. So I think we all think so that
• 1:15:55
  the new record and just sonically it's a new shift for
• 1:15:59
  us a little bit. It's nothing like different.
• 1:16:02
  But I mean, we've only gotten better as a band and I think
• 1:16:05
  this is on full display. So, you know, look out for that
• 1:16:11
  in stores on November 13th alongside the Gummy Bear record
• 1:16:14
  or album. Gummy Bear album.
• 1:16:16
  November 13th is not a real date by the way, but that is the real
• 1:16:19
  date for the Gummy Bear album. That's that's the Gummy Bear
• 1:16:23
  album. So.
• 1:16:25
  You said a lot, but I wanted to, I just one of the things that I
• 1:16:28
  thought of while you were talking, I saw an interview with
• 1:16:32
  Supe from, from the wonder years and he was saying he's like,
• 1:16:39
  he's like, I, I write a lot of very like specific stuff.
• 1:16:42
  And I at first like, I thought like, maybe I shouldn't be
• 1:16:44
  writing this. And then I was like, I don't
• 1:16:47
  really care. I'm going to write about like
• 1:16:48
  what I feel. And it's like, and that
• 1:16:50
  resonates a lot with people because they know how like
• 1:16:55
  honest it is. They can feel of like and sense
• 1:16:58
  like the, the sincerity behind it.
• 1:17:00
  And I think that there really is something to be said about that.
• 1:17:03
  Like people can smell the bullshit.
• 1:17:05
  Like if if especially. In a world where where bosses
• 1:17:09
  and billionaires and politicians spend their entire day breaking
• 1:17:13
  people's backs and lying, I think people really fucking
• 1:17:17
  appreciate when someone is honest.
• 1:17:19
  You know, when someone's finally honest about something.
• 1:17:23
  So, and, and I, I like that mantra of like writing things
• 1:17:26
  that are like super true to yourself and like not really
• 1:17:29
  caring because that's how I've always been.
• 1:17:30
  I got my start in punk bands, so I really didn't care what I
• 1:17:32
  wrote about. I only wrote about what I wanted
• 1:17:34
  to. But learning to, to write for
• 1:17:37
  yourself but have other people resonate with it is just like,
• 1:17:43
  it's like unlocking your third eye for music, you know what I
• 1:17:46
  mean? Like that's just something
• 1:17:47
  that's like, like that's, that's it's, it's a beautiful world of
• 1:17:51
  people. The other thing.
• 1:17:53
  The other thing. That came to mind while you were
• 1:17:55
  talking is you remind me a lot of Rylan from from Gamma Gang,
• 1:18:00
  just the way that you speak. And like, I mean, that is like
• 1:18:03
  the most sincere compliment because I would say that they
• 1:18:05
  are maybe. I don't know.
• 1:18:08
  I don't know if I'd say they're my favorite band, but if not my
• 1:18:11
  favorite then like second or third at yeah.
• 1:18:14
  I don't know. I could.
• 1:18:15
  Say One man is my favorite but they are definitely towards the
• 1:18:18
  top and thank you. I did also just like spend like
• 1:18:23
  like like a couple weeks with Ryland somewhere recently.
• 1:18:26
  So some of it's probably like rubbing off on me.
• 1:18:29
  Some of it's like inflictions have probably rubbed off on me
• 1:18:32
  just a little bit. But thank you.
• 1:18:36
  Now I that he's a fan, like I don't even know where to start
• 1:18:39
  with Ryland. Fantastic music.
• 1:18:41
  I should think that. You guys just talked about
• 1:18:43
  Pokémon the whole time. There was some.
• 1:18:45
  Pokémon talk. Don't don't worry.
• 1:18:47
  We talked oh there, don't worry world.
• 1:18:49
  We talked about some Pokémon that's actually on my.
• 1:18:54
  On my short list of people, he Ryland is one of the people I
• 1:18:57
  thought about when I when I was like coming up with the concept
• 1:19:00
  of like what I wanted to do for a podcast.
• 1:19:02
  Like talking to Ryland about Pokémon is like, yeah, pinnacle
• 1:19:06
  of where I want to get to actually when I.
• 1:19:09
  I was, we were, we were working on the record when we had
• 1:19:14
  communicated about doing an episode and I was going to, I
• 1:19:19
  like, I was thinking, I was like, man, this is something
• 1:19:22
  Riley needs to go on because I feel like anyone can talk
• 1:19:25
  Pokémon. I can talk Pokémon.
• 1:19:26
  I mean, you can see the Snorlax, yeah, right above the.
• 1:19:30
  Portal I can talk. Right, right above the the pale
• 1:19:34
  gleam. I can talk.
• 1:19:36
  About. Pokémon.
• 1:19:38
  But Ryland can talk like circles around everyone about Pokémon.
• 1:19:42
  I've never met a human being who knows more about it and like,
• 1:19:49
  yeah, Ryland. 'S up there in my list of of
• 1:19:51
  people to to get one of these days I need to.
• 1:19:54
  See, I was big in the card game growing up.
• 1:19:57
  I need to see like a Pokémon tournament of emo bands, what
• 1:19:59
  with the card game. Like, I feel like the video game
• 1:20:02
  is there, but Nah, we need we need to bring the card game.
• 1:20:04
  They're making a lot of safe rejection for like Yu-gi-oh 2.
• 1:20:08
  Let's see, I think it's got. My sports deck and we'll play.
• 1:20:13
  I think it's. Sports.
• 1:20:14
  I saw someone talking today about how they're on tour and
• 1:20:17
  they're just spending all their time shiny hunting for like
• 1:20:24
  Groodon in Ruby or something like that.
• 1:20:26
  Yeah. Sports.
• 1:20:29
  What did you say about them? Also just a prolific band love
• 1:20:32
  those guys. We're actually playing at the
• 1:20:35
  actually my birthday is the 18th and we play we're playing a
• 1:20:38
  couple shows with sports, like all the Florida dates with
• 1:20:41
  sports that's and it starts on 18th.
• 1:20:44
  So I'm bummed 'cause. I, I get to see them on the 17th
• 1:20:48
  in, in Durham and then they'll be down like the next day with
• 1:20:54
  you guys, which to be fair, and this is my, one of my next
• 1:20:59
  things to talk to you about, but you guys are coming on tour
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  later this year to Durham and also Wilmington.
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  And I will be at both of those shows because I'm for that tour.
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  Dude, that's the lineup. We should do a live episode
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  there with the whole band gonna get a full live thing going.
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  I feel like that would be so much fun, but no, I'm I'm dude,
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  I'm stoked to see you there. That's going to be awesome.
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  I'll, I'll be there. I, I mean, I was going to go no
• 1:21:29
  matter what because I go out of my I'd go out of my way to see
• 1:21:33
  just the sales. I'd go out of my way to see
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  trash. I'd go out of my way to see Dear
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  Cincinnati, although I haven't seen you guys yet, but I am
• 1:21:39
  excited to see you or come any of any of the I think 5.
• 1:21:44
  Is there 5 bands on that tour? It's four of.
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  Us it's 4 Marianne and just the sales trash and us, yeah.
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  Any one of you guys I would go go go out of my way to see, but
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  I'm excited to have all all four of you at the same time.
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  It's going to be. Like it's going to be like a
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  fest, but it's going to be like a, a music enjoyer's like dream,
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  but only if you enjoy adjust the sales, dear Cincinnati trash and
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  dear Marianne, if if you're a music enjoyer, but that's what
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  you enjoy. That's.
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  Just perfect. For you.
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  This is all you need. You're, you're talking about me.
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  I, there have been some great tours this year.
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  I, I mean, I saw, I saw Ben quad on the wisher tour with Riley
• 1:22:26
  and we aren't, aren't we amphibians and football head.
• 1:22:32
  And then Riley was just on tour with Kerosene Heights and Bugsy.
• 1:22:40
  And then what was the other one? Carly Cosgrove and Leisure Hour
• 1:22:44
  and Summer Brews were all on tour.
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  Leisure. Hour I love the I love.
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  I could not stress enough how much I love the people from
• 1:22:52
  Leisure Hour, Frank and Reagan. My goats love them to death.
• 1:22:58
  Yeah dude, love those fun. Yeah.
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  I've never met a group of people.
• 1:23:02
  I I told this to to the people back home.
• 1:23:05
  I was like, I've never met like, especially like Reagan.
• 1:23:08
  I've never met someone who like as quickly like treated me like
• 1:23:12
  their best friend from the second I met them.
• 1:23:15
  Like it was like it was the only thing I've heard.
• 1:23:17
  About them, yeah, is that they are just amazing.
• 1:23:19
  I was. I was thinking I was like, Oh my
• 1:23:23
  gosh, I might actually like be this person's best friend.
• 1:23:26
  I was like, damn, I was. I was like, I was like, God, I
• 1:23:29
  was like I said, this is so like.
• 1:23:32
  The new song, the new Reagan song from Leisure Hour.
• 1:23:36
  Look at me. I think.
• 1:23:37
  Yeah, so. Fire so.
• 1:23:40
  I've been listening to that almost non-stop for the last
• 1:23:44
  week since it came out. It's so good.
• 1:23:48
  Anyways, I've kept you for a really long time.
• 1:23:51
  I appreciate. Is there anything else?
• 1:23:52
  I mean anything else you want to plug?
• 1:23:54
  Anything else you anything else I want to?
• 1:23:56
  Plug, is there anything you left on the?
• 1:23:58
  Table. What did we what?
• 1:24:00
  What else did I put in that list?
• 1:24:04
  World events I think was one of them.
• 1:24:06
  Just like to keep. Up to date with world events.
• 1:24:09
  What am I allowed to say? Whatever you.
• 1:24:11
  Want all right. Whatever I want.
• 1:24:16
  Open it up. This is a very.
• 1:24:18
  This is a very, I mean, I, I wouldn't say it's a political
• 1:24:23
  podcast, but I am sure that my politics and morals and ethics
• 1:24:27
  probably align very much in your direction.
• 1:24:30
  So if this. Is the last thing I can say like
• 1:24:33
  if this is like the last thing like we have time for I will say
• 1:24:36
  this and this is my message to anyone forming a band or bands
• 1:24:39
  right now. Use your platform to speak up,
• 1:24:42
  please. There it's use your platform to
• 1:24:46
  speak against the the terrors of the world right now.
• 1:24:50
  I really every time I like to open my phone, it's like guess
• 1:24:53
  what they just signed in that you got a die law and so use
• 1:25:00
  your platform to speak up please.
• 1:25:02
  That's all. That's all I can really say.
• 1:25:04
  It's like, no matter. Like I think, you know, having a
• 1:25:07
  distraction from the world is cool, but also like if you have
• 1:25:11
  the platform, you need to use it even just a little bit.
• 1:25:15
  Yeah, You know what I mean? I stand on.
• 1:25:18
  Business, yeah. Fuck, as I say in every show,
• 1:25:22
  fuck ICE, fuck Israel, protect trans youth, fuck Christian
• 1:25:27
  nationalism. You know the chains of
• 1:25:32
  capitalism will break one day if we just keep together and strong
• 1:25:37
  is what is truly like the way that I can I'm gonna put it.
• 1:25:43
  But yeah, usual platform speak up.
• 1:25:45
  I guess like I that covers the the world events and social
• 1:25:48
  issues and I think we got everything on that list.
• 1:25:50
  Yeah, we did. Yes, we did, because we're like
• 1:25:53
  goats. We're the greatest wait podcast,
• 1:25:55
  greatest, greatest podcast of all time.
• 1:25:58
  We're the GPOAT, the greatest, the greatest the Jeep Coat, the
• 1:26:03
  greatest podcasters