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Unveiling Modesty and True Beauty · Relish: a Christian podcast

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  Relish pleasing or zestful flavor a quantity
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  just sufficient to flavor to be pleased or
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  gratified by enjoy we are hoping that what we bring to your table today might
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  add some spice to your life welcome to another episode of relish everybody we're
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  glad to have you here i'm rowan miller and this is don patterson as always don
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  how are you doing i think i'm a little silly today.
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  Other than that, we're all right. We're all right. We're doing good. Yeah, I'm doing good.
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  So am I. Okay. Well. Praise the Lord. Yeah. We'll get right into it here. You ready for the start?
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  I'm braced and ready, yes. All right. This is actually the last question from Hillcrest.
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  Oh, the Hillcrest month. That was a bunch of good questions,
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  guys. Yeah. You should feel good about that.
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  Yeah. So what does the Bible say about revealing clothes, like events like prom
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  and banquets, things like that.
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  Oh yeah. What does the Bible have to say about that? Well.
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  Cause you know, it's prom season, banquet season coming up, whatever you want to call it.
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  So Peter, I like Peter's explanation.
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  And it's, it talks about it for women, but I'd say guys could think about it too.
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  Your beauty should not come from the outward adornment. This is a first Peter
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  chapter three, verse three, from outward adornment, such as braided hair.
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  I mean, guys can braid hair, too, you know, and wearing gold jewelry and fine clothes.
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  Yeah, fine clothes. Instead, it should be that your inner self,
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  the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is a great worth in God's sight.
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  For this is the way the holy women of the past, and this is in the women's context.
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  Put their hope in God and used to make themselves beautiful.
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  In other words, our beauty should come not so much from what we put on or take off.
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  It should come from God. It should come from our relationship with God.
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  There are certain people that are attractive no matter what they wear.
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  And I think those people are attractive because of that which is in them rather
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  than what they're wearing.
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  And that's the way God's people should be. It doesn't matter whether you're
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  male or female, we, we should be attractive.
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  I mean, it doesn't mean we, we, what, what is that? It not gross out.
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  There was a lifestyle, dark, dark eyeliner, black clothes.
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  What was that? Oh, like emo. Yeah. Yeah.
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  And it's not like we have to make ourselves look bad.
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  Yeah. I'm not saying that. I think we should work, look our best.
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  I think every time we go and see people, we should look as good as we,
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  But we don't want to put on big fancy rings and draw people's attention by what
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  we're wearing or not wearing.
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  Now, I'll be a little careful with this. I had a fellow come up to me in church
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  one time, and he said, well, you need to make sure those girls don't show their bosoms so.
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  And he was talking about this young lady who was showing a little cleavage on Sunday morning.
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  And I said, so does that bother you?
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  I said, yes, it bothers me. And I said, so is the problem hers or yours?
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  It was good because it was somebody I could actually say that to.
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  And it was all right. I didn't get thrown out of the church right then.
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  Anyway, I think we have to watch that because yes, both sides are equally important.
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  We shouldn't be displaying and effectively using our bodies to try to draw in
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  the favor of somebody else.
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  That's misusing the temple of God. I mean, our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.
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  That's 1 Corinthians 3, after 15.
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  Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. So let's take care of them.
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  Let's, just like any other temple, let's take care of it.
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  Brush it up once in a while. Keep it clean.
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  Display it well because it is there for the Holy Spirit.
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  But let's not try to draw a devil out of his grave with the way we dress or
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  the way we present ourselves. Yeah.
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  Make yourself presentable, but don't bring attention to yourself. Right, yeah. Yeah.
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  All right, so. Oh, we're shifting questions now. Yeah, we're shifting back into
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  how we had them before Hillcrest, but. Okay.
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  Hillcrest, thank you for the invitation. Thank you for the time there.
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  Kids, maybe even faculty. Good questions. They were really good.
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  So faculty in there too. Appreciate it very much.
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  And if there's other venues, I'm opening a can of worms here.
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  Okay. If there's other venues that you want us to maybe live into,
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  a coffee shop or something like that, we're welcome.
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  We'd welcome those invitations. You would, would. Yeah. Okay.
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  And, yeah, send out the invitation.
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  Our producer will go through them and tell us what's good to do and what we
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  probably should chase away from. That kind of thing.
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  Yep, we're open to most anything. We are.
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  Basically, like you started out, this is for God's ministry.
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  And so somehow we can help connect others to who Jesus is. Yeah.
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  It's not about us. Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah. All right. So we're going to go through a couple Old Testament stories here.
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  Uh-oh. So in 1 Samuel 25 is the, you probably just know it right away.
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  Nabal and Abigail, yeah.
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  So I thought this was kind of interesting when I read it. It turned right to it. No kidding.
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  Yes. Because I thought it was interesting when David kind of expected something
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  in return from Nabal, even though Nabal never asked him to look out for his sheep and his goats.
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  So if Abigail wouldn't have met David and his soldiers, would David have been
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  justified in killing Nabal and his household?
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  Well, I think David would have justified it. Yeah.
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  Yeah. This is an interesting period of time because this is when David is running
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  for his life, escaping from Saul, he has been anointed as king.
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  I mean, that anointing by Samuel happened all the way back in chapter 16,
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  very beginning of chapter 16.
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  So he's already anointed for the ministry that's coming up that basically Saul
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  is trying to kill him for, which talks about Saul's character.
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  In that, then, in his running, he is still trying to take care of the country.
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  And so he is taking care of guys like Nebel's stuff, even though he's not king,
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  he's operating from the role of king.
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  And so he is defending Nebel's out, his sheep, his flocks, even though he hasn't
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  been asked to, and even though he doesn't have the authority of a kingship yet,
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  but he's operating in that mode.
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  Operating in that mode, then David thinks, well, you know, he's run off all
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  these robbers and now he has a need.
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  Nabal, would you please help out? And Nabal says, well, I didn't ask you to.
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  Yeah, I didn't ask you to. So what do you think you're asking me to do?
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  And he comes at a time. Who is David? Yeah.
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  He comes at a time when it's sheep sharing time, verse 7.
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  So they would have been anticipating money. They would have been.
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  It's not like he's coming when he knew Nabal didn't have anything.
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  It's as if the word comes during sheep shearing time.
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  The question is, is he justified to ask?
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  Yeah. Or would he have been justified if he would have ended up killing if Abigail
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  didn't come forth and give him what he wanted?
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  Abigail, God bless her, is a peacemaker. I think David's reputation's known.
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  I think Nabal knew who David was. I would guess.
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  Even though he said, well, I don't, why should I pay this guy? I don't really know him.
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  I think, although he says, who is this son of Jesse?
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  Sort of gives away, well, maybe I do know him.
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  So he's basically, Nabal is basically saying, well, no, I'm not going to pay
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  for this protection I did get.
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  And so, would he be justified? Well, it really wouldn't have been a pretty sight. Yeah.
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  And by God's grace, it didn't happen. I think the fact that Abigail,
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  the sensitivity of Abigail in this, I think, speaks a great deal about this woman.
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  Who would become David's wife?
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  Notice that Nabal does die. But it's not by David's hand.
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  So there's a sense of judgment here that's not David's doing, but actually has done.
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  Let's see, he dies of, isn't it a heart attack?
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  Yeah. Like Abigail told him what she did. Yes.
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  Because he was drunk and then woke up sober and then his heart turned to stone.
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  His heart turned to stone. Yeah. I think it was sort of a heart attack kind of thing.
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  And so you got God's judgment on Dayball.
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  David didn't have to do it. And I think that's a lot of times,
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  just beyond your question.
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  A lot of times if we, it's sort of like in Romans chapter 12,
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  verses 9 through 14, I think it is, vengeance is God's.
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  And once we're in God's will and we're in the center of God's will,
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  we need to realize that God will judge accordingly.
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  It's his to do rather than ours. And he does a really good job of it.
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  And I think this is an example right here with Nabal that David didn't even
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  have to worry about killing Nabal.
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  God was going to take care of it because it was just.
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  So David didn't have to do it. would have just, just if David had,
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  there could have been a case made for it.
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  But the bottom line is the case didn't have to be made.
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  Case didn't have to be made because God took care of it. Yeah. Yeah.
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  I'll correct myself here quick. It said that in the morning when Nabal sobered
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  up, he told his wife, told him of these events, his heart died and he became stone.
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  And then about 10 days later, the Lord struck Nabal dead.
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  So heart turned to stone. Yeah. Hmm.
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  Yeah. When we were talking about this story in Sunday school and it came up,
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  I'm sure Josh wouldn't mind me sharing this because he does it.
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  He said it in sermons, but when he...
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  One time his neighbor was gone and it snowed and he shoveled his own driveway.
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  When he was done, he realized it would be a good thing to do if he went and
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  shoveled his neighbor's driveway.
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  So he goes and shovels his neighbor's driveway and then his neighbors get back
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  and come over to his house.
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  And Josh is kind of thinking to himself like, oh, he's going to thank me for
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  doing his driveway and maybe give me something, you know?
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  And then his neighbor comes over and talks to him something completely not related.
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  Not related at all. trouble in the snow and josh closes the door his neighbor
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  walks away and he's like kind of disappointed like he didn't but that's a real
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  experience yeah and so we were talking.
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  Like with abigail and abel and david it'd be like if josh went over to his neighbor
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  when he got back and asked for asked for some money yeah you know for his work
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  50 for about drive yeah yeah Yeah, so it's interesting.
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  And would he be justified in asking? Sure, he'd be justified in asking.
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  Is that his heart intense? Well, that's not the Josh I know,
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  so yeah. Yeah. But he could be disappointed. That makes sense. Yeah.
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  All right, then 1 Kings 13, 11, with the new and the old prophet. Oh, Elisha and Elijah.
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  Yeah. 1 Kings.
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  1 Kings what? 1 Kings, oh, there you go, your phone went. 1 Kings 13.11. 13, okay.
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  And turning of pages. We should have music in the background. Pages are turning.
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  Okay, yeah. Now, 13.11, right?
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  Now, there was a certain old prophet living in Bethel whose sons came and told
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  him that the man of God had done that day. They also told their father Is that right?
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  Father asked which way did he go His son showed him the road The man took From
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  Judah So he said Saddle a little donkey for me So what's the point?
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  It's been a while since I visited this one I think it was like God told the The new prophet,
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  Something And then the old prophet Told the new prophet something else And he
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  listened to the old prophet,
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  Even though God sent the old prophet to him To like tempt him in a way So then
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  he listened to the old prophet That God sent And was And then he was killed,
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  Oh Because he didn't listen to the new one And this is right after Elijah started Isn't it?
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  Trying to think if the new prophet is Elijah you. I don't think it's identified here.
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  Well, the bottom line of this passage is, listen to your source.
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  The king, the man of God. So, you know, I don't have a good answer on this one.
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  This is one I could go back and say, hmm, boy, I could use some studying on this one.
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  Because this precedes Elijah and Elisha and old prophet and new prophet.
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  So I would have to study this to have a good answer. Okay, yeah.
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  So, like, kind of remembering it now.
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  Like, God said you must not eat food or drink water from there.
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  And then the old prophet came and said that he was sent by an angel,
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  like an angel sent him, and he told the new prophet that he could eat.
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  Oh, and then the new prophet was killed. Yeah, and then he was killed because he listened, I think.
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  But he was lying to him. Yeah. Bring him back with you to your house.
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  A lion attacked him. After, yeah.
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  Hmm, ulterior motives here, do you think? maybe,
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  the thing about the prophetic movement is that,
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  you don't want to lose your reputation as a prophet because you don't get it back.
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  And so there could be some competition going on here and the old man eliminated
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  the competition this is a lot different than we believe in the here and now No,
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  because we understand we're, as disciples of Christ, we're always investing
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  in the next generation because we know we're not going to last.
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  And we also know that if we invest early in others, that investment will pay off more.
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  I mean, I thank God for the people who invested in me when I was young and those
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  who continued to invest in my life as I got older.
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  And I am who I am today because of their investment.
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  This is not that.
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  This sounds like the old prophet was, uh-oh, somebody's taken my turf,
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  and so eliminate the competition.
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  Because in verse 19, 18, the last of 18, it says, but he was lying to him.
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  The old prophet knew what was right.
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  But he told. The old prophet deceived him, yeah. The old prophet deceived,
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  and that's not good at all.
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  Yeah. And I imagine the old prophet got his judgment when he ended up in front
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  of the Lord. At least he will when that happens.
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  Yeah, there in 20 and 21, it says, While there was sin at the table,
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  the word of the Lord came to the prophet who had brought him back,
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  so the old prophet who had brought the new prophet back.
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  And the prophet cried out to the man of God who had come from Judah.
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  That's the new prophet. This is what the Lord says, Because you rebelled against
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  the Lord's command, you did not keep the command of the Lord your God commanded you.
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  But when you went and ate food and drank water in the place,
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  that he said to you, do not eat food and water.
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  Your corpse will never reach the grave of your ancestors.
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  Wow. So then when he sat up his donkey and left, then a lion attacked him.
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  So even though he's called a man of God, he was, like any of us can be, deceived.
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  Yeah. And some of it was his own deception, some of it was the old guy.
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  And we all have to be aware that, hey, influence can come from anywhere.
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  So is this more of a, like an earthly human thing that the old prophet did that
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  to, or is God testing the new prophet?
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  Well, I think definitely was a test of the new prophet. Yeah.
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  Where is he getting his information from and by what is he testing it?
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  The old prophet, I think in his deception, that was very human.
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  But in the second revelation, I think that was the Lord speaking the word.
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  Both these guys really ought to be called on the carpet. One lost his life. Yeah.
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  But it also illustrates how easily we can be influenced by our own emotions
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  or, or, or by the deception of others.
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  And that's why, you know, we, we talk and we, we work with each other.
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  And, and I hope I don't have undue influence on you. I hope you check it with the word.
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  And always work in light of what God's doing in your own life.
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  That should be something that if you do receive counsel from me,
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  you get an independent confirmation from God that, yeah, that's right.
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  And in this situation, the old man had his agenda, if you will.
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  The young man had his agenda, and both of them messed up prior to verse 20.
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  And then in verse 20, when the Lord came to the old prophet and brought him
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  back, when he came back, he cried out to the man of God who came from Judah,
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  this is what the Lord says, you've been defiled.
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  You've defiled the word of God. And that's a grievous claim.
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  And so, yeah, both these guys will have their spot in judgment,
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  I think. Yeah. Because of it.
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  This is a hard one. Boy, you really, you really worked on this one.
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  Finding one that, yeah, this story I had a little information on,
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  but boy, I wasn't ready for that kind of question.
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  Yeah. Then later. So we can count this up as a stump.
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  Could we count this up as a stump for Don? That you, for Bowie's stumped Don?
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  Got me in a spot I was not well.
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  And it's one of the places in my Bible, there's no, see, there's no marks.
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  You don't get many of those. Yeah, there's not many places in my Bible there aren't some marks.
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  Yeah. You still knew a decent way to answer it. I knew some of it,
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  but it wasn't quite the same as a lot of places where you take us with our questions.
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  Yeah. So you want to try one more? Sure. This is enough for today.
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  I don't know. That might be enough for today. Okay.
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  Oh, that makes sense. We really do thank you folks for tuning in and having
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  patience with us when I get tongue-tied.
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  Rowan does a great job with questions. We could use more.
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  And we just hope that somehow or another, this creates a vehicle that you can
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  share with other people and gets more people into the Word. That's where it's really at.
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  Thank you, guys. Yeah, you got something else? No, no. I should shut up now. Sorry.
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