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Pat Forde on Oregon & USC's struggles, Arch & Steve Sarkisian angst, Deion Sanders future | 10.28 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: have a guest join us from SI.com. I see he
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Speaker 1: got the horsepower, got the little horsey on his shirt,
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Speaker 1: Pat Forty. I know Pat Forty is also like me.
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Speaker 1: You are a horsey enthusiast.
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Speaker 2: That's right. It's actually Breeders' Cup this week. 0.0% of
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Speaker 2: the public cares, but that's a big event in the
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Speaker 2: horse racing world.
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Speaker 1: No, the thing is, I guess you've lived in Kentucky
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Speaker 1: now for who knows how long. It is one of
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Speaker 1: those things that everybody knows about, but the world doesn't
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Speaker 1: really care as much about, but it is the thing
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Speaker 1: for you guys.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No. I mean, you can find people that
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Speaker 2: will talk horses, bet horses, breed horses, buy horses every
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Speaker 2: day all year round. They barely even notice that there's
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Speaker 2: football or basketball going on. I am not that person,
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Speaker 2: but those people exist.
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Speaker 1: To be fair to them, generally speaking, noticing football has
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Speaker 1: never been that big a thing in Kentucky.
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Speaker 3: Except this year those guys got the coach right.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. Absolute grand slam hire getting Will Stein, who–
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Speaker 2: was the offensive coordinator at Oregon. And that's one of
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Speaker 2: those where you can tell when the place he's going
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Speaker 2: gets really good and the place he left falls apart.
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Speaker 2: He's a pretty good coach. Oregon's a disaster now.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, we're in one of those, that point of
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Speaker 1: season now where right now it's about the people that
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Speaker 1: aren't doing it. Like, I don't feel like we have
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Speaker 1: great feel good. Like, oh, wow, these guys are doing
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Speaker 1: so much better than we thought this year. But we
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Speaker 1: have a gang of you guys are disappointing us. It's
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Speaker 1: across the board. You guys are disappointing us. We'll get
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Speaker 1: a little bit later to like the ultimate disappointing for
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Speaker 1: people is, you know, when it gets to the place
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Speaker 1: of somebody getting fired. But Oregon is an interesting one
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Speaker 1: because nothing has gone the way people thought it would.
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Speaker 1: And we knew it early when they lost to Oklahoma State.
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Speaker 1: But to be fair to them, Oklahoma State turned out
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Speaker 1: to be better than we thought and might have the
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Speaker 1: best quarterback in the country. Now, that's the feel good
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Speaker 1: story if anybody like wants to get to it. But
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Speaker 1: with Oregon, what have you seen?
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Speaker 2: It's been a full system failure, mostly offense, which is
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Speaker 2: why they fired their offensive coordinator this week after scoring
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Speaker 2: a whopping 10 points against Illinois. Their last three games
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Speaker 2: have scored 15, 17, and 10 at a place that
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Speaker 2: was known for lighting up the scoreboard. That's not going
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Speaker 2: to cut it. So they lost both coordinators from last year.
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Speaker 2: Tosh Lupoi went to be the head coach at Cal.
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Speaker 2: That hadn't gone real well. And then they lost Will Stein.
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Speaker 2: It's going very well for him at Kentucky. They did
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Speaker 2: have a quarterback injury to Dante Moore, part of a
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Speaker 2: quarterback class that really, frankly, is falling apart if you're
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Speaker 2: looking at it from an NFL perspective. And they just
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Speaker 2: say they had Dylan Rayola as a backup, a five-star
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Speaker 2: former national player of the year, but he hasn't performed
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Speaker 2: terribly well. And it just– the whole thing looks adrift
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Speaker 2: right now. They've lost– the edge that Oregon used to have. They,
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Speaker 2: they had some off the field issues, got their top
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Speaker 2: wide receiver suspended and everybody's suddenly looking. Dan Lanning was
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Speaker 2: one of those guys who walked around acting like he
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Speaker 2: had all the answers and it looked like he did.
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Speaker 2: And now this year he kind of has none of them.
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Speaker 2: And again, It's not saying the bloom is off the rose,
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Speaker 2: but all of a sudden people are looking at this
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Speaker 2: and saying, was this a Wilstein operation or is this
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Speaker 2: a Dan Lanning operation?
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Speaker 1: So I want to put a pin in Lanning, but
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Speaker 1: make this point about Rayola. For people who don't remember this,
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Speaker 1: Rayola's father played at Nebraska and it was a very
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Speaker 1: big deal for Nebraska to get him, as is often
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Speaker 1: the case when you have a legacy player who's.
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Speaker 3: A really big deal.
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Speaker 1: Like if you can't get that guy, you get into
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Speaker 1: the old buddy, right?
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Speaker 3: Can we get anybody sort of situation? They got him. Well,
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Speaker 3: nothing at Nebraska's worked out like they thought it would
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Speaker 3: under Matt Rule. But it hasn't. It didn't go well.
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Speaker 3: He left.
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Speaker 1: And now I'm starting to wonder, did he just fool
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Speaker 1: us by doing that Patrick Mahomes cosplay that we talked
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Speaker 1: ourselves into believing that maybe he was Patrick Mahomes?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, he put a lot of fancy passes
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Speaker 2: on tape. Doesn't mean he put enough routine good passes
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Speaker 2: on tape. And I think that's kind of been the
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Speaker 2: thing is, is he, can he just stand in the
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Speaker 2: pocket or even really even escape a rush and, and
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Speaker 2: be reliable and accurate all the time, as opposed to
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Speaker 2: in the occasional no look three quarter arm sidearm thing.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of quarterbacks right now who
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Speaker 2: are highly rated, who are really struggling and, And whether
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Speaker 2: that is they were overrated, it was bad evaluations, or
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Speaker 2: whether they were thrown in too quickly into the college
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Speaker 2: game and that maybe broke their confidence, like Rayola, Bryce Underwood,
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Speaker 2: some of these other guys, they were starters from game one,
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Speaker 2: freshman year. Maybe that was too much too soon. But
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Speaker 2: he has just not shown what people thought he was
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Speaker 2: capable of. One thing I've, you know, I've heard some
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Speaker 2: people say is that at this point in his career,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't move very well in the pocket, and you
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Speaker 2: can game plan to, if you keep him there, you
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Speaker 2: can pummel him. So just a lot of things where
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Speaker 2: the warts are showing up on quarterbacks all over the country,
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Speaker 2: but Raul has been an interesting one. I'll give him
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Speaker 2: credit for one thing, Bomani. He came in in relief
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Speaker 2: of Moore and started against UCLA, and he was the
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Speaker 2: worst quarterback you've ever seen. I mean, he was awful.
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Speaker 2: And he actually came in, did the press conference afterwards, said, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I need to be here. I should be here. You know,
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Speaker 2: I have respect for the whole process. I need to
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Speaker 2: own being terrible. He's been a little better since then,
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Speaker 2: but clearly not good enough.
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Speaker 1: Is there a question to be asked about pushing these
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Speaker 1: young guys to start? And of course, everybody wants to
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Speaker 1: go somewhere where they know they're going to play right away.
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Speaker 3: That's a big deal.
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Speaker 1: But I'm wondering if the fact that now these guys
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Speaker 1: are also getting paid millions of dollars and nobody wants
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Speaker 1: to pay millions of dollars for somebody not to play.
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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering how many quarterbacks are going to wind
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Speaker 1: up being broken like the Bryce Underwood thing.
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Speaker 3: It seems clear. He probably didn't need to play right away.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a hindsight thing because I
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Speaker 1: don't think we looked at him last year and thought, man,
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Speaker 1: he just absolutely shouldn't be playing. And it looks awful
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Speaker 1: this year. And to be fair, there were people who
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Speaker 1: called it before the season that it was going to
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Speaker 1: look this way. But I'm wondering if this money is
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Speaker 1: going to wind up being. I mean, the NFL guys
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Speaker 1: are already talking about the fact that these draft three
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Speaker 1: straight draft classes they feel like are not going to
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Speaker 1: turn out.
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Speaker 3: The way that they thought they would.
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Speaker 1: But if this game is actually going to break some
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Speaker 1: of these guys, just because they're getting so much money
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Speaker 1: so early.
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Speaker 2: Sure. Absolutely. I think that's a concern. And I, you know, it's,
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Speaker 2: it's difficult if you're the coach, general manager, athletic director
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Speaker 2: of a team. And you like, if you go buy
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Speaker 2: a really nice car, do you want to put it
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Speaker 2: in the garage? You want to drive it. You want
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Speaker 2: to take it out and let's go. It's different with
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Speaker 2: human beings, getting them out there and throwing them in
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Speaker 2: a quarterback. And at 18 years, or 19 years old
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Speaker 2: being immediately named the starter, having an immediate $ 3 million
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Speaker 2: in your bank account, and having everybody expecting you to
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Speaker 2: play like a $ 3 million player from the jump, It's
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Speaker 2: asking a lot. And I think it does. It increases
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Speaker 2: the pressure on them, increases the expectations and increases the
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Speaker 2: likelihood that when things don't go right, they don't handle
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Speaker 2: it well.
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Speaker 1: Right now, you mentioned Dan Lanning and he did seem
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Speaker 1: to be fair.
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Speaker 3: It looked like Dan Lanning had lots of answers.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Like that is Oregon's an interesting job because he's a
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Speaker 1: defensive guy that took that job. But that is to
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Speaker 1: me like Florida West. They want points, man. They like
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Speaker 1: to light it up on the scoreboard. And it's a
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Speaker 1: place where historically it hasn't been that easy to put
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Speaker 1: together a defense because it's tough to get the athletes
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Speaker 1: there that you need to put together a defense. Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if people remember this, but when they
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Speaker 1: played for that national championship in 2010. They had a
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle that was 255 pounds. Like, you just had
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Speaker 1: to play a different kind of football over there to win.
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Speaker 1: But are seasons like these just kind of going to
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Speaker 1: be one that everybody just about has to deal with
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Speaker 1: every now and then because of the way the teams
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Speaker 1: are being constructed? Like, kind of like Calipari started doing
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Speaker 1: the one and done in Kentucky, and every now and
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Speaker 1: then you're going to have a dud. Krzyzewski had the
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Speaker 1: same thing happen to him at Duke, that when you
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Speaker 1: try to put these teams together on the fly, every
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Speaker 1: now and then it's just not going to come together. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Real quick about that 2010 team, by the way. They
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Speaker 2: were playing Auburn. I went into that game like Oregon
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Speaker 2: can win. And then I saw them all at media
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Speaker 2: day in the flesh. I'm like, Oh no, they're too small.
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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. But no, you're absolutely right. Yes. Look,
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Speaker 2: it is to a degree you're playing roulette. Sometimes the
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Speaker 2: ball bounces in where you want it to. Sometimes it doesn't.
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Speaker 2: And you make some decisions with personnel when you are
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Speaker 2: building and rebuilding every single year that don't work out.
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Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden you've just, you've got
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Speaker 2: three guys that weren't as good as you thought they
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Speaker 2: were going to be. You get a couple injuries here
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Speaker 2: or there. You don't have as much depth because players
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Speaker 2: are moving around because they want playing time and things
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Speaker 2: fall apart on you. And I think more and more now,
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Speaker 2: especially when you come in with high expectations, one loss,
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Speaker 2: things start to wobble really hard. Two losses, everybody loses
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Speaker 2: their mind and panics and you can see a season
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Speaker 2: completely collapse. We saw that with Penn State last year.
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Speaker 2: We've seen it with Texas A & M and Oregon
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Speaker 2: this year. The one thing with this Oregon team, though,
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Speaker 2: retention was huge. They kept a bunch of guys. So
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Speaker 2: it shouldn't be happening this way there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give this to Lanning also.
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Speaker 1: He appears to be figuring out how you've got to
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Speaker 1: manage it in terms of the public when you deal
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Speaker 1: with this sort of losing because we've got other guys
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Speaker 1: around the country that we could talk about, one of
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Speaker 1: whom is the one guy that Dan Lanning has been
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Speaker 1: able to get a one-up on this year, which is
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: I still need to get to the bottom of that
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Speaker 1: Chris Brown concert. That thing, whatever that was, really affected
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Speaker 1: Dan Lanning. He was like, you could come to Oregon
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Speaker 1: or you could go to USC and go to a
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Speaker 1: Chris Brown concert.
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Speaker 3: Damn. Okay. Got it. But Riley, it cost.
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Speaker 1: $ 70 million to get him out of there. So it
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Speaker 1: feels very unlikely that he's going anywhere. So is everybody
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Speaker 1: just going to be miserable and unhappy?
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Speaker 2: I mean, they will be miserable and unhappy if he's
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Speaker 2: still there, I think. I'll say this. Saturday is huge.
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Speaker 2: They're playing an Ohio State team with no quarterback or
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Speaker 2: with a quarterback who's never taken a meaningful snap in college.
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Speaker 2: They lose that one, it's the last stand. You're out
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Speaker 2: of the playoff for this year. You're probably out of
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Speaker 2: the playoff already, but you're certainly out then. And then
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Speaker 2: I think everybody just totally gives up on Lincoln Riley.
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Speaker 2: $ 70 million is a lot. I've had some people say
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Speaker 2: USC's got more rich people than about anybody. They can
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Speaker 2: make it work, but that is a ridiculous sum. I'm
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Speaker 2: already promoting the parachute theory that Lincoln Riley goes to Baylor,
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Speaker 2: goes back to his home state, and just gets out. Now,
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Speaker 2: it would require him walking away from that much money,
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Speaker 2: as opposed to saying, just go ahead and fire me
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Speaker 2: and let me collect. But I would not be shocked
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Speaker 2: if he looks for an escape hatch before he gets fired.
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Speaker 1: Now, do you know if he has a James Franklin
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Speaker 1: buyout or a Brian Kelly buyout? Which is to say,
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Speaker 1: is it a, you got to give me my 70
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Speaker 1: all right now, or we pay it out by the
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Speaker 1: week like we would have otherwise?
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure a party at private school. So no
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Speaker 2: people haven't seen the contract, but that's a key distinction. Certainly.
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Speaker 2: It's like, when, when would the money be available? Because
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Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley's pretty young. He's not going to like give
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Speaker 2: up coaching.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: He's not going to sit out for like three years.
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Speaker 2: So if there's an offset or a mitigation in there,
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Speaker 2: it might make it easier for him to just say, look,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to, This is all going to go away eventually.
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Speaker 2: I'll jump now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I have to– looking back on it, it's
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Speaker 1: crazy as it seemed when Penn State fired Franklin because
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Speaker 1: of the buyout. If your understanding was this is a
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Speaker 1: young man who wants to still work another job, then
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Speaker 1: it made perfect sense that you go ahead and do it.
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Speaker 1: When you do it with Brian Kelly, you're just saying,
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Speaker 1: we can't take this anymore, right? But Lincoln Riley's not
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Speaker 1: going to be Ed Ogeron, where Ed Ogeron got that
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Speaker 1: buyout and none of us ever thought that we'd ever
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Speaker 1: see that man do another day of work ever.
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Speaker 3: Like, not a real day work.
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Speaker 1: He's crazy. What are you talking about? I've done everything
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Speaker 1: I ever wanted to do. Riley, no, not at that place.
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Speaker 1: And also, this season has the potential to end in
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Speaker 1: full-on disaster for them because they've got Ohio State at home.
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Speaker 3: They've got a buy. They've got to go to Indiana. Um,
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Speaker 3: they got Maryland.
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Speaker 1: So that's a bit of a break, but then they
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Speaker 1: closed the season against surprising UCLA at UCLA.
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Speaker 3: Um, if that ends.
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Speaker 1: Four in a row on the way out the door,
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Speaker 1: that's a, As Dave Doran learned at North Carolina State,
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Speaker 1: they fire you when it just doesn't feel good to
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Speaker 1: them for you to be around. It's not fully about
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Speaker 1: your performance or anything else. They just don't want to
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Speaker 1: see your face anymore. And with Riley, it seems that
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Speaker 1: nobody wants to see his face anymore, and he's a
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Speaker 1: guy that's terrible at handling it when it's bad.
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Speaker 2: Terrible at handling it. That's the thing. Not somebody that
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Speaker 2: I think rallies the troops well, doesn't necessarily– handle it
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Speaker 2: gracefully with the public or with the media. And he's
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Speaker 2: just got to sit there and take it. And that's
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Speaker 2: the thing. And as you pointed out, look, what's happening
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Speaker 2: across town only spikes the level of unrest there. Bob
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Speaker 2: Chesney can come in and be undefeated and have a
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Speaker 2: quarterback injury and have a bunch of guys that came
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Speaker 2: with him from James Madison doing this. It makes you
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Speaker 2: look pretty darn bad. When Lincoln Riley sat there and
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Speaker 2: said at Big Ten Media Day in July, basically we've
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Speaker 2: got everything we need. We've got the players. We've got
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Speaker 2: the staff. We've got the support personnel. We've got the
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Speaker 2: NIL war chest. We just opened a $ 225 million building.
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Speaker 2: It's the nicest thing in college football. There's no more excuses. So,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's now or never, and right now it
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Speaker 2: looks like never.
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Speaker 3: It's also hard to ignore, man.
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Speaker 1: He got there taking the path of a coward. He
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Speaker 1: had one of the best jobs in.
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Speaker 3: The country, and he was like, ooh, SEC? I don't
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Speaker 3: know about that.
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Speaker 1: And he thought that he could get all, like, offer USC,
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Speaker 1: I'm bringing Caleb Williams with me, and then they moved
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Speaker 1: to the Big Ten, and it wound up, he basically
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Speaker 1: took the job that he left. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He did, absolutely. And that, you know, it's interesting. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I think Riley liked being at Oklahoma because you have
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Speaker 2: one team you got to worry about, and that was Texas. And,
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe somebody else occasionally rises up. SEC, hell no,
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Speaker 2: I don't want any part of that. And then you
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Speaker 2: go to USC, well, I got Oregon to worry about.
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Speaker 2: That's about it. You know, maybe Washington occasionally, maybe Arizona
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Speaker 2: State or something, but otherwise I'm good. Nope, we're leaving
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Speaker 2: that conference too. And they start having to fight uphill.
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Speaker 2: And that's when he drops the Notre Dame game. Didn't
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Speaker 2: want to play the Notre Dame game anymore. Here's the thing.
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Speaker 2: This season was so set up for them. They had
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Speaker 2: a non-conference schedule of nobody, nobody, and nobody. They had
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Speaker 2: everything lined. They were not playing Notre Dame. They opened
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Speaker 2: with a long streak of games at home. They had
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Speaker 2: plenty of time to ramp up. And then they still
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Speaker 2: couldn't get it done. So this is just a full
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Speaker 2: system failure for them.
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Speaker 1: I had forgotten about them dropping Notre Dame, which gets
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Speaker 1: back again to people are into these things because it
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Speaker 1: makes them feel good.
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Speaker 3: They like playing against Notre Dame.
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Speaker 1: This is part of the charm of doing this.
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Speaker 3: And when you make those moves like that, man, you
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Speaker 3: better be right.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And he wasn't. That's the thing. The fan base...
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Speaker 2: is disappointed they don't have that game and you know
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Speaker 2: they all the excuses well it's another midwest trip in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the season and we already have to
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Speaker 2: do all these other things fans don't care they want
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Speaker 2: to play games that excite them they don't want to
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Speaker 2: play san jose state they want to play notre dame
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Speaker 2: so that's a trade-off that yes as you said it
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Speaker 2: better end up with like a playoff bid and it's
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Speaker 2: not going to almost assuredly that backfired badly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah we had uh rj young on the other day
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Speaker 1: and i was telling him my thing about usc as
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Speaker 1: a job where These great jobs are interesting because it
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Speaker 1: takes a different level of guy to get it done
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Speaker 1: at all of them.
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Speaker 3: LSU, you can win with a good coach, right?
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Speaker 1: Or even I would argue the first version of Saban
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Speaker 1: was a great coach, but it wasn't the version of
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Speaker 1: Saban that we later got.
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Speaker 3: It was different levels of it.
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Speaker 1: USC is a job that A good coach can do
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Speaker 1: okay there. Like John Robinson is a great example of
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Speaker 1: a very good coach there. Larry Smith, you might win
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Speaker 1: a couple of Pac-10s, but to really do it like
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Speaker 1: they want, it takes a great coach at that job.
17:07
Speaker 1: It seems like one that only a good coach needs,
17:10
Speaker 1: but it's a great coach job. And I will never
17:12
Speaker 1: forget when Riley left Oklahoma. Let me tell you who
17:14
Speaker 1: wasn't really sad about that. Oklahoma fans, they were a
17:17
Speaker 1: little insulted and miffed by the timing of it, but
17:21
Speaker 1: they saw, they kind of saw through that. And a
17:25
Speaker 1: lot of what got blamed on Alex Grinch's defensive coordinator. No,
17:29
Speaker 1: Lincoln hasn't had a good defense with any of these guys, right?
17:31
Speaker 1: They tried to blame it on Grinch when they got
17:33
Speaker 1: to USC too, but it's like, no, no, no, no, no.
17:35
Speaker 3: Some guys just can't get that part right.
17:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's the common denominator is, is He's had
17:41
Speaker 2: bad defenses everywhere with a bunch of different coordinators. And
17:44
Speaker 2: so what does that mean? That means you oversee a
17:46
Speaker 2: program that can't play defense. So you can't just shovel
17:49
Speaker 2: it off on, oh, this coordinator was bad, that coordinator
17:52
Speaker 2: was bad. You systemically are creating a team, a program
17:57
Speaker 2: that is not good defensively because you've probably given so
18:01
Speaker 2: much emphasis to the offense. That's unescapable at this point.
18:05
Speaker 1: By the way, you mentioned the Baylor job is maybe
18:07
Speaker 1: somewhere that Lincoln Riley would go. I still– struggle with
18:11
Speaker 1: the idea that that's a job that somebody would want.
18:13
Speaker 1: Like I am, I am of an age where it
18:16
Speaker 1: is impossible for me to believe that. And the guy
18:19
Speaker 1: that we saw turn that thing around was Art Briles.
18:22
Speaker 1: And we saw two things had to happen for that
18:24
Speaker 1: to happen. One, a brilliant coach. And number two, that guy,
18:30
Speaker 1: you had to be willing to do the things that
18:32
Speaker 1: Art Briles was willing to do. Rule came behind him
18:34
Speaker 1: and I think did an amazing job in getting that going.
18:38
Speaker 1: But Aranda, who we all know is a schematic genius,
18:41
Speaker 1: great defensive coach and all of those things, it wasn't
18:44
Speaker 1: going to work there. And I look at it like
18:45
Speaker 1: if you're Lincoln Riley, is that really a good job
18:49
Speaker 1: for you to take?
18:50
Speaker 2: Well, I think you can look at it two different ways.
18:53
Speaker 2: First of all, you could say, hey, Matt Rule won
18:55
Speaker 2: 11 games there one time. Dave Aranda won 12 one year.
18:59
Speaker 2: Won the Big 12. And Bryles, now what Bryles did,
19:04
Speaker 2: you don't want to replicate. You don't want to win
19:05
Speaker 2: that way. But that was the only time it was sustained.
19:09
Speaker 2: But you look at it and say, hey, there's a
19:11
Speaker 2: lot of financial backing. Stadium's like 10 years old. It
19:16
Speaker 2: looks good. There's players everywhere. If TCU can go to
19:21
Speaker 2: the national championship game, why the hell can't we? So
19:24
Speaker 2: on the face of it, sure. But again, is it sustainable? No.
19:28
Speaker 2: That is proven historically to be really difficult unless you
19:31
Speaker 2: cut corners to an alarming degree.
19:34
Speaker 1: And has Lincoln Riley exposed himself as being a Big
19:37
Speaker 1: 12 coach? And that's just the kind of conference for him, right?
19:39
Speaker 1: A conference of offensive geniuses of many different types. Like,
19:43
Speaker 1: I think the underrated thing about the Big 12 is
19:45
Speaker 1: me and my guy, Alan Kinney, would talk about this.
19:47
Speaker 1: Every time somebody would say they don't play any defense
19:49
Speaker 1: in the Big 12, there's something to that. But also,
19:52
Speaker 1: it was a variance of types of offenses, all of
19:56
Speaker 1: them on the cutting edge of where football was going.
19:59
Speaker 1: Or every now and then you have somebody like, no,
20:00
Speaker 1: we're just going to run it down people's throats.
20:01
Speaker 3: How about that?
20:03
Speaker 1: Everybody had a way to go about doing it, and
20:05
Speaker 1: maybe that's where Lincoln Riley needs to be. Just go
20:07
Speaker 1: have some fun and put up some points.
20:10
Speaker 3: No school in.
20:11
Speaker 1: That conference has real big expectations. Any winning of any
20:16
Speaker 1: of those teams at a high level is just kind
20:18
Speaker 1: of sort of gravy, it feels like.
20:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the exception is Texas Tech, but that's
20:23
Speaker 2: also a one-man billionaire operation where, you know, he thinks
20:27
Speaker 2: they should be winning national championships. But the reality is
20:32
Speaker 2: it's Texas Tech. And in a state, even with a
20:35
Speaker 2: state with a million players, Texas Tech's pretty far down
20:38
Speaker 2: the list of where they want to go. So unless
20:40
Speaker 2: you're just absolutely money-whipping them to go there. But, yeah,
20:44
Speaker 2: beyond that, look, I mean, BYU wants to be good
20:46
Speaker 2: at football, but they– have other things that they prioritize
20:50
Speaker 2: probably first. And Kalani Satake, like, he could stay there forever,
20:53
Speaker 2: I think. Utah wants to be good, but they're not insane.
20:57
Speaker 2: So that, like, you just look at that league and
20:59
Speaker 2: you think, it is fluid. You can get from the
21:03
Speaker 2: bottom or near the bottom to near the top pretty quickly,
21:06
Speaker 2: as opposed to being the ninth best program in the
21:09
Speaker 2: Big Ten or the 11th best program in the SEC.
21:13
Speaker 3: Under-discussed things.
21:15
Speaker 1: Those folks at Utah seem to know what they were
21:17
Speaker 1: doing when they forced the old man out, huh?
21:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
21:21
Speaker 2: You know what? I mean, you'd love to get the
21:23
Speaker 2: full 911 from behind the scenes. Did they see that? Look,
21:28
Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham was not necessarily mailing it in, but just
21:31
Speaker 2: wasn't quite as on top of it as he used
21:33
Speaker 2: to be. And we've got this guy, Morgan Scali, who
21:35
Speaker 2: we'd made the coach in waiting and really wants to
21:40
Speaker 2: get in and start doing the job. And so you
21:42
Speaker 2: do it, and, yeah, I mean, that's another place. Kind
21:45
Speaker 2: of like the Will Stein effect, the Whittingham leaving and
21:49
Speaker 2: struggling and Utah being as good as it's arguably ever
21:53
Speaker 2: been without him tells you something.
21:56
Speaker 1: And also, let me make sure I get this number right,
21:59
Speaker 1: Michigan learned hiring a 66-year-old coach.
22:04
Speaker 3: May be not the thing that you should do.
22:08
Speaker 1: And I say this as somebody who thinks that Kyle
22:11
Speaker 1: Whittingham is a Hall of Fame coach.
22:14
Speaker 3: But it's been bad.
22:15
Speaker 1: It's been bad in a job where they were so
22:20
Speaker 1: happy to get a new coach. I didn't think that
22:22
Speaker 1: anybody could put up something to make people think it
22:24
Speaker 1: was bad.
22:27
Speaker 2: They're in Penn State both. They were happy to get
22:28
Speaker 2: a new coach there. That's been even worse. But to
22:32
Speaker 2: your point with Michigan, yeah, like I think– the Sharon
22:37
Speaker 2: Moore thing was so dysfunctional. They're just like, we need
22:39
Speaker 2: an adult, we need an adult coach. And so they
22:42
Speaker 2: went and got not just an adult, they got a
22:44
Speaker 2: senior citizen, they got a grandparent and maybe that wasn't
22:47
Speaker 2: the way to go. And I was kind of a
22:50
Speaker 2: rushed coaching search to a degree, but at the time
22:54
Speaker 2: I thought it was the right thing to do, but
22:56
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he was going to walk in
22:57
Speaker 2: and have no idea how to field an offense. I mean, that,
23:01
Speaker 2: that is just pitiful, painful. The Indiana Michigan game, was
23:05
Speaker 2: frankly awful. A 6-6 going into overtime, that was brutal.
23:10
Speaker 1: Matt Campbell at Penn State, since you brought that up,
23:13
Speaker 1: to me is interesting in that we had kind of
23:15
Speaker 1: forgot he was over there, right? Like he was a
23:17
Speaker 1: guy that we had said for so long, like somebody
23:19
Speaker 1: needs to go get this guy, look at what he's
23:21
Speaker 1: done at Iowa State. And he literally took that as
23:23
Speaker 1: far as it could go. And now he's gotten to
23:26
Speaker 1: Penn State, which to me is a weird job, right?
23:28
Speaker 1: Like it is a everything's in place for you to
23:31
Speaker 1: be pretty good. I don't think anything's in place for
23:34
Speaker 1: them to be as good as they think that they
23:35
Speaker 1: should be, but they should be better than they are
23:37
Speaker 1: this year.
23:39
Speaker 2: For sure. Three and four have not yet, they haven't
23:41
Speaker 2: yet beaten any power conference opponents. So when your, your
23:45
Speaker 2: high watermark is beating Marshall, things are not going terribly
23:48
Speaker 2: well there. And Campbell, you can look at similarly to
23:52
Speaker 2: Whittingham of just really good in a hard job and
23:55
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he gets a bigger job and geez,
23:58
Speaker 2: maybe there's something that just doesn't translate. What is missing here?
24:02
Speaker 2: And part of the problem, well, he took a lot
24:04
Speaker 2: of Iowa State players with him to Penn State and
24:08
Speaker 2: that's a pretty tough commute, if you will, from a
24:12
Speaker 2: pretty good Big 12 team to a place that wants
24:16
Speaker 2: to compete to win the Big 10. That's a big
24:19
Speaker 2: jump in terms of talent level. And again, it probably
24:22
Speaker 2: reinforces what Cignetti did with James Madison, guys. And what
24:26
Speaker 2: Chesney is doing with James Madison, guys, is highly unusual.
24:30
Speaker 3: That's what I was just about to say.
24:31
Speaker 1: But you can take the dudes from James Madison, and
24:34
Speaker 1: you can make it work at two places that nobody's– well,
24:38
Speaker 1: Indiana's a different level, and nobody's figured out how to
24:40
Speaker 1: make it work. But the UCLA one, that's a weird job.
24:43
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that's a weird job. And these guys just
24:45
Speaker 1: keep bringing these guys from James Madison, which to me
24:48
Speaker 1: a big part of it is the state of Virginia
24:50
Speaker 1: is weird because the schools are nowhere near the players–
24:54
Speaker 1: And so there are all these other schools that popped up. And,
24:58
Speaker 1: you know, the James Madisons, the Old Dominions, everybody else
25:01
Speaker 1: has been like, hey, but I think there's a chance
25:02
Speaker 1: that we can get some of these guys because we're
25:04
Speaker 1: closer to the guys than Virginia Tech is than they
25:07
Speaker 1: are in Charlottesville. Like East Carolina used to be the
25:10
Speaker 1: biggest school near the Tidewater, right? Like it's this ultimate
25:13
Speaker 1: no man's land. And apparently James Madison is the one
25:16
Speaker 1: that figured it out because you can take their guys
25:18
Speaker 1: and take them somewhere else too.
25:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's unbelievable. And I went up. You know,
25:23
Speaker 2: Cignetti's first year went up to Indiana and interviewed a
25:25
Speaker 2: bunch of the guys that were James Madison transfers, and
25:28
Speaker 2: they were from the state of Virginia. And you go
25:30
Speaker 2: through and ask them, did Virginia Tech recruit you?
25:33
Speaker 3: No.
25:33
Speaker 2: Did Virginia recruit you?
25:35
Speaker 1: No.
25:35
Speaker 2: It's like, why the hell not? What are you looking at?
25:39
Speaker 2: These guys could play in the Big Ten and then
25:41
Speaker 2: ultimately several of them playing.
25:43
Speaker 1: In the NFL.
25:43
Speaker 3: All right.
25:45
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Speaker 4: an AFC North matchup. Cleveland taking on Pittsburgh. Deshaun Watson's
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Speaker 1: I mean, I have to say, while he has been
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27:44
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28:10
Speaker 1: have to give this to Sark. They're down Colin Simmons,
28:13
Speaker 1: their best player. They're down a handful of other guys.
28:16
Speaker 1: All the talk end of the week is about how
28:17
Speaker 1: they're about to have to bench Arch, and they got
28:21
Speaker 1: out early against Ole Miss. They let Ole Miss come back,
28:25
Speaker 1: but they did ultimately win the game. That was as
28:27
Speaker 1: must-win a game as that man has ever had in
28:29
Speaker 1: his life, but it still doesn't feel like things are
28:32
Speaker 1: good there.
28:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean, like, obviously, it sure beats
28:37
Speaker 2: the alternative, right? I mean, if they had blown a
28:39
Speaker 2: three-touchdown lead at home to Ole Miss for their third
28:42
Speaker 2: straight loss, oh, my God. Like, the toxicity would be
28:47
Speaker 2: off the charts. I don't know how you would handle that.
28:50
Speaker 2: So it was must-win in terms of just calming the
28:54
Speaker 2: water long enough to carry on. Ole Miss is a
28:57
Speaker 2: pretty good team. You've got a victory over Ohio State.
29:01
Speaker 2: You've got a victory over Tennessee. You've got a victory
29:03
Speaker 2: over Ole Miss. Right now, you're probably the best two-loss
29:07
Speaker 2: team out there, but you've got to keep going. Mississippi
29:11
Speaker 2: State this week shouldn't be a problem, but then after that,
29:13
Speaker 2: you've got some tough games, and the eternal arch angst
29:17
Speaker 2: is just hanging out there. Is he good enough? And
29:20
Speaker 2: especially if you're going to have a lot of your
29:22
Speaker 2: other studs injured, not just Colin Simmons. You mentioned Hollywood
29:25
Speaker 2: Smothers missed that game running back. So, you know, there's
29:30
Speaker 2: still the pot. The pot will continue to simmer for
29:35
Speaker 2: sure for the rest of the season. They've just got
29:37
Speaker 2: to keep winning, lose another game and everybody's going free.
29:40
Speaker 3: Out again. Yeah, and I think.
29:43
Speaker 1: He's in that place now where they're getting a little
29:46
Speaker 1: tired of your face and another guy that can't handle
29:52
Speaker 1: when things are bad and having to talk to people
29:54
Speaker 1: about it. The thing I've said– if you're going to
29:56
Speaker 1: be Mack Brown minus the Sonny disposition, brother, that's not, that's,
30:00
Speaker 1: you're doing it the wrong way. That's, that's not, that's,
30:02
Speaker 1: that's not the part to dispose of if you're going
30:05
Speaker 1: to wind up taking that approach. And with Arch, it's
30:08
Speaker 1: been interesting to me to see the film guys and
30:10
Speaker 1: their critiques of the offense because there seem to be
30:12
Speaker 1: The people that it seems obvious that the program talks
30:15
Speaker 1: to and will make all the arguments about the throws
30:17
Speaker 1: that Arch doesn't make, and then the other guys be like, hey,
30:20
Speaker 1: this dude is not actually letting this guy play quarterback.
30:24
Speaker 1: Arch was one of those recruits that happened every now
30:26
Speaker 1: and then that people want to win to be able
30:28
Speaker 1: to say that they won. He's a trophy date in
30:31
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. But then in the end, it's
30:33
Speaker 1: your job to be that guy. Obviously, Archie decided to
30:37
Speaker 1: send that boy to go play for you because they
30:39
Speaker 1: thought you were the guy that could make him a
30:40
Speaker 1: better quarterback. And now all we know is that he's
30:43
Speaker 1: not going to play for you next year, but we
30:45
Speaker 1: don't think he's going.
30:46
Speaker 3: To play in the NFL next year. Colossal failure.
30:49
Speaker 1: That's your second straight five-star quarterback that didn't live up
30:52
Speaker 1: to what you were supposed to make him out to be.
30:55
Speaker 2: Good point.
30:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:56
Speaker 2: I mean, the Quinn Ewers thing was kind of, it
30:58
Speaker 2: was similar where He's supposed to carry the program to
31:02
Speaker 2: a national championship, and it just kind of diminishing returns,
31:06
Speaker 2: and you're watching that now with Arch as well. Yeah,
31:09
Speaker 2: the questions are, is Arch not seeing it, or is
31:12
Speaker 2: Arch not even allowed to look at it in terms
31:14
Speaker 2: of pre-snap? Is he allowed to walk up, check off,
31:19
Speaker 2: go to something different, or has that been taken away
31:21
Speaker 2: from him? If so, why? Is he just not good
31:23
Speaker 2: at it, or what is going on? Because the offense,
31:27
Speaker 2: it looks like a series of– misreads, misidentifications, whatever the
31:34
Speaker 2: case may be. And then you throw in accuracy issues
31:37
Speaker 2: on top of that. And this whole thing has just
31:40
Speaker 2: become incredibly overwrought. And I get the feeling watching him now, Bo,
31:45
Speaker 2: that like every incompletion, everybody wants to turn into a referendum. Like, oh,
31:50
Speaker 2: he can't do it. He just missed that wide open
31:52
Speaker 2: guy in the flat. Well, but then he'll come back
31:54
Speaker 2: and he'll lead a three-touchdown rally against Ohio State in
31:59
Speaker 2: which he made several really big plays. But that's part
32:02
Speaker 2: of the problem is the inconsistency. You love him one minute,
32:06
Speaker 2: you can't stand him the next, and that's a hard
32:09
Speaker 2: way to go through life as a quarterback, especially one
32:11
Speaker 2: who is supposed to be a program savior. And it
32:14
Speaker 2: does come back on a coach that everybody said, oh,
32:17
Speaker 2: offensive genius, elite play caller. elite quarterback guy. And I
32:22
Speaker 2: probably said all those things myself, but it's not panning
32:24
Speaker 2: out that way right now.
32:26
Speaker 1: And I have to say this, we have to give
32:28
Speaker 1: this to them. And you mentioned it earlier. Their list
32:31
Speaker 1: of wins is good. In the Arch Manning era quarterback
32:35
Speaker 1: in Texas, I don't think anybody can put win for win,
32:39
Speaker 1: can do much better than Texas has done in that
32:41
Speaker 1: time period.
32:42
Speaker 3: But, man, we.
32:42
Speaker 1: Remember every single loss, every single one just jumps off
32:48
Speaker 1: the page. And then this year, the thing that Sark
32:51
Speaker 1: has done as Texas coach that, honestly, I'm not sure
32:54
Speaker 1: the last coach to do before him was big embarrassing
32:57
Speaker 1: wins over Oklahoma, just curb stomping them. none of those
33:01
Speaker 1: could feel as good to them as that loss had
33:03
Speaker 1: to feel bad this year. Like it just kind of
33:06
Speaker 1: took the wheels off of everything that they were doing
33:08
Speaker 1: this year.
33:09
Speaker 2: Totally did. You're ranked number one. You're beating them by 10.
33:13
Speaker 2: You lose in large part because you're, you know, biggest
33:17
Speaker 2: quarterback recruit ever through two horrific interceptions in the fourth quarter.
33:21
Speaker 2: I mean, that was really bad. And, and yes, the
33:24
Speaker 2: Oklahoma fans had basically given up on the season, but there's,
33:29
Speaker 2: you know how that rivalry is, man. You, if, if
33:31
Speaker 2: you're the underdog and you get a chance to shove
33:33
Speaker 2: a stick in the eye of the favorite, man, they
33:35
Speaker 2: do it. They rise up. The underdogs rise up in
33:38
Speaker 2: the red river game.
33:39
Speaker 3: You know, it is interesting.
33:41
Speaker 1: Um, Texas fans seem more miffed about this season than
33:44
Speaker 1: Oklahoma fans do. And Oklahoma fans are questioning the entire experiment.
33:50
Speaker 2: That's yeah. It's fascinating. Like First of all, I've never
33:55
Speaker 2: understood the two contract extensions that Brent Venables has gotten.
33:59
Speaker 2: It totally blows my mind. They made the playoff last year.
34:04
Speaker 2: They won through a tough November to get there. But
34:09
Speaker 2: Oklahoma certainly used to aspire to being more than a
34:13
Speaker 2: number eight seed in a playoff, theoretically. And that's the
34:16
Speaker 2: high watermark. That's the best they've done with Venables. They've
34:19
Speaker 2: had some bad years, and this year is a bad year.
34:22
Speaker 2: So I don't fully get the whole... the contract situation
34:28
Speaker 2: for Venables. But they've tied themselves to him. They've tried
34:31
Speaker 2: to bring in every possible support mechanism. Went and got
34:35
Speaker 2: a splashy GM who I think might be the highest
34:37
Speaker 2: paid general manager in college football. All the support staff.
34:42
Speaker 2: Offensive coordinator who was supposed to be the guy. John
34:45
Speaker 2: Mateer was a big dollar acquisition at quarterback. And none
34:50
Speaker 2: of it has worked. They're a horrible offensive team. And
34:53
Speaker 2: they just, they've gone into the big, into the SEC
34:56
Speaker 2: and looked like a program that's in over their head
34:58
Speaker 2: for the most part.
35:00
Speaker 1: How's Heat Watch feeling down there in Tuscaloosa? They've got
35:03
Speaker 1: a mere two losses so far. They've got LSU this week.
35:07
Speaker 1: After that, it looks like it's pretty smooth sailing for Alabama.
35:10
Speaker 3: I don't know.
35:10
Speaker 1: Maybe I just cannot let go of my priors that
35:13
Speaker 1: this job devours people and that Nick Saban has made
35:15
Speaker 1: us forget that this job devours people. But the only
35:18
Speaker 1: time I've seen this man happy at that job is
35:21
Speaker 1: in that AI video when he was singing Outstanding.
35:24
Speaker 3: He looked thrilled in that.
35:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, by far the happiest I've ever seen Caelan DeBoer
35:29
Speaker 2: wearing Alabama gear, that's for sure. I mean, look, yeah,
35:34
Speaker 2: it's week to week there. It really is. That's another
35:37
Speaker 2: place like Texas. You lose two in a row, and
35:41
Speaker 2: everybody wants to bail on you. And unfortunately for DeBoer,
35:44
Speaker 2: this is the third straight year that everybody has wanted
35:47
Speaker 2: to bail on him. And before the Georgia game, I
35:50
Speaker 2: think everybody thought, myself included, He has got it. He
35:54
Speaker 2: has figured it out. He has turned the corner. They
35:57
Speaker 2: have an explosive offense. They've got a quarterback who's super talented.
36:01
Speaker 2: They're ready to step back up and be in Alabama.
36:04
Speaker 2: And then they score 17 against Georgia, 10 against Tennessee.
36:08
Speaker 2: Good defenses, but still, you lose both of those. That
36:12
Speaker 2: was must win against Texas A & M. But yes,
36:14
Speaker 2: this LSU game, they're off this weekend. But then LSU
36:18
Speaker 2: November 7th looms extremely large. You win that one and
36:22
Speaker 2: then you put the pressure on Lane Kiffin. But if
36:25
Speaker 2: you win that, you could win out and you're 10-2
36:27
Speaker 2: and you're in the playoff. And again, we're back to
36:29
Speaker 2: that point where, well, at least we're in the playoff.
36:33
Speaker 2: But we know Nick Saban would have been 12-0 and
36:36
Speaker 2: going to the SEC championship.
36:37
Speaker 3: How surprised were you with that L that Georgia took
36:40
Speaker 3: to Auburn?
36:41
Speaker 4: Shocked.
36:42
Speaker 2: Completely shocked.
36:43
Speaker 3: Because Kirby doesn't lose that game.
36:45
Speaker 2: No. Came out of nowhere. Kirby never loses at home
36:49
Speaker 2: to unranked teams. It's been a long, long span. Now,
36:52
Speaker 2: this did harken back a little bit to maybe 2018, 19, 20.
37:01
Speaker 2: Kirby's team, Georgia, would have one game a year where
37:03
Speaker 2: they would just lose their minds. They would play so
37:06
Speaker 2: badly you couldn't believe it. They would do everything wrong.
37:09
Speaker 2: This looked a little bit like that. But, man, he'd
37:12
Speaker 2: gotten that out of his system for several years in
37:14
Speaker 2: a row, so this was a stunning flashback.
37:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching that game as it went, and
37:19
Speaker 1: especially what Auburn is at this point. They are now, post-expansion,
37:26
Speaker 1: a lower-tier SEC team, it feels like. They feel somewhat
37:30
Speaker 1: indistinguishable from, say, Mississippi State at this point.
37:34
Speaker 3: That's a big rivalry. We get that.
37:36
Speaker 1: But for them to win that game in Athens and
37:39
Speaker 1: to hang in at the end in the way that
37:41
Speaker 1: they did, that is the rare time that it just
37:44
Speaker 1: felt like Georgia didn't show up. And that's the part
37:46
Speaker 1: that Kirby always manages to do is just to get
37:48
Speaker 1: them to show up. It's almost like a Pete Carroll
37:51
Speaker 1: sort of quality of like, we're going to give you
37:53
Speaker 1: a game every week. No matter how well we play,
37:56
Speaker 1: we're going to be out here.
37:58
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Because, I mean, their intensity, that's kind of their
38:01
Speaker 2: differentiating factor. I mean, the talent, obviously. When you see them,
38:04
Speaker 2: they look like just monsters, but they play ridiculously hard,
38:08
Speaker 2: violent football, and they didn't against Auburn. I will say
38:13
Speaker 2: one thing. Watching Auburn, watching Kentucky certainly, watching Florida– The
38:21
Speaker 2: SEC has raised its floor this year for sure. I
38:25
Speaker 2: think the ceiling has maybe come down a bit, but
38:27
Speaker 2: the floor has been raised up. They made good hires
38:30
Speaker 2: in the offseason. Golesh, Alex Golesh at Auburn, came from
38:34
Speaker 2: South Florida. He's done certainly better than Hugh Freeze did
38:38
Speaker 2: and Brian Harsin. Sumrall looks like an improvement over the
38:42
Speaker 2: recent coaches, certainly over Billy Napier at Florida, and then Stein, obviously,
38:47
Speaker 2: at Kentucky, too. And so... You know, the parody thing,
38:51
Speaker 2: it's trite. It's not that interesting to talk about. But
38:53
Speaker 2: in the SEC, it's more real, I think, than I've
38:55
Speaker 2: ever seen it.
38:56
Speaker 1: Where are you on the Pete Golding hire? Because I
38:58
Speaker 1: do feel like what Ole Miss has done this year
39:00
Speaker 1: is about the same as one would have expected if
39:02
Speaker 1: Lane was the coach. Oh, yeah.
39:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think Golding's done well. I mean, first
39:07
Speaker 2: of all, he won the one game he had to win.
39:09
Speaker 3: Yes, he did.
39:10
Speaker 2: He had to beat Lane. Had to beat Lane. And
39:12
Speaker 2: so the hangover loss the next week is like, hey,
39:15
Speaker 2: Mississippi fans will take that. If we have to make
39:18
Speaker 2: that exchange, fine. But they've got some other good wins.
39:22
Speaker 2: They obviously nearly pulled it off in Austin. So I
39:27
Speaker 2: think Golding is doing fine there so far. They've got
39:30
Speaker 2: to finish well. They're one of those, you know, there's
39:32
Speaker 2: like seven SEC teams that are kind of hanging around
39:36
Speaker 2: there with two losses on the fringe of the playoff race,
39:39
Speaker 2: the fringe of maybe getting into the SEC championship game.
39:42
Speaker 2: They're one of them. They've got a chance. I mean,
39:45
Speaker 2: Trinidad Chambliss, elite quarterback from a college standpoint. So, I'm
39:50
Speaker 2: fine with what Golding's done so far.
39:53
Speaker 1: Can you imagine a world where Bill Belichick pulls it
39:55
Speaker 1: together and beats Miami this weekend?
39:59
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. If they couldn't hold a 10-point
40:04
Speaker 2: fourth quarter lead against Syracuse, the last place team in
40:08
Speaker 2: the SEC, they ain't beating the first place team.
40:10
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw something out here for people. The
40:13
Speaker 1: timing of it really just hit me. This was 22
40:16
Speaker 1: years ago. It will be on Halloween, I believe. The
40:20
Speaker 1: official end of the U era of Miami football. I
40:24
Speaker 1: want to say they were number three in the country,
40:26
Speaker 1: and they went up to Chapel Hill and inexplicably lost
40:30
Speaker 1: a Saturday night game to the Fighting John Buntings, and
40:35
Speaker 1: nothing was the same after that ever again. They are
40:38
Speaker 1: trotting back up there to play that game, and I
40:41
Speaker 1: can only imagine, only imagine, how Bill Belichick views himself
40:46
Speaker 1: as a strategist vis-a-vis Mario Cristobal.
40:51
Speaker 3: I can only imagine.
40:52
Speaker 1: Belichick is like, I can find a way to cook
40:55
Speaker 1: this up. Mario is an ethos guy. What's your team do?
40:59
Speaker 1: We beat people up. That's what we're going to do.
41:02
Speaker 1: We're going to be fast, and we're going to beat
41:04
Speaker 1: people up. Belichick, somewhere in there, because I think he's
41:08
Speaker 1: done a decent job with the team that he has
41:10
Speaker 1: this year. I think that it's not the embarrassment factor.
41:14
Speaker 1: than it was last year, though.
41:15
Speaker 3: You are correct.
41:16
Speaker 1: That Syracuse thing that, that, that would, that would jumps out.
41:19
Speaker 1: I saw Belichick smiling when he rang that bell, when
41:21
Speaker 1: they beat Duke.
41:22
Speaker 3: And I was like, shit, he's actually enjoying himself.
41:24
Speaker 1: Like this is, this could turn, this could turn into
41:27
Speaker 1: a movie if they somehow get one overall Miami.
41:31
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I mean, really, honestly, I was shocked.
41:33
Speaker 2: They were sitting there at like four and two. I
41:35
Speaker 2: thought they might be one in five coming into the season,
41:38
Speaker 2: but then to blow that Syracuse games, like, Oh my gosh. Uh,
41:41
Speaker 2: But yeah, October 30th it was, 2004. Got it. Miami
41:46
Speaker 2: was number four in the nation. Lost 31 to John Bunting. Ooh,
41:50
Speaker 2: that's tough. Played golf with him once at an ACC
41:53
Speaker 2: Media Day. Nice guy, but... Shouldn't be beating Miami under
41:57
Speaker 2: any circumstance.
41:58
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
41:59
Speaker 1: I had been joking because I was teaching that semester.
42:01
Speaker 1: I told them all year, the homecoming massacre, because it
42:03
Speaker 1: was homecoming. The homecoming massacre is on the way. And
42:07
Speaker 1: then I remember we had exams that next week, and
42:09
Speaker 1: I bought one of the T-shirts from the game and said,
42:11
Speaker 1: believe it, to teach Miami. increased demand based on there's
42:15
Speaker 1: there was a shock in demand like it was it
42:17
Speaker 1: was a teaching lesson when that happened and look if
42:20
Speaker 1: miami wins that um everybody dust off your catholics versus
42:24
Speaker 1: convicts nostalgia because it's going to be miami and notre
42:27
Speaker 1: dame it will be nothing like the 1988 game was
42:31
Speaker 1: but everybody's going to pretend like the two things have
42:33
Speaker 1: anything to do with each.
42:34
Speaker 2: Other oh yeah yeah i i actually i covered the
42:38
Speaker 2: the miami notre dame 88 game the first big event
42:41
Speaker 2: i covered I'm like 23 years old, 24, and that
42:45
Speaker 2: was epic. It felt epic. The game was epic. Everything
42:49
Speaker 2: about it. This is not the same. I mean, it'll
42:52
Speaker 2: be fun. It'll be good. But the nostalgia will simply be, yeah,
42:56
Speaker 2: remember that one time. It won't be like this is
42:58
Speaker 2: a repeat of that.
42:59
Speaker 1: The one thing that we'll never be able to get
43:01
Speaker 1: again because you can only have one of those things once,
43:03
Speaker 1: but it will be impossible to replicate like. Miami was
43:07
Speaker 1: like Mike Tyson.
43:09
Speaker 3: At that time.
43:10
Speaker 1: There's been nothing like this. They are terrifying in some ways.
43:16
Speaker 1: They are invigorating in others. Everything else, you look back
43:19
Speaker 1: on it and be like, ah, yeah, some of those
43:20
Speaker 1: criticisms were correct. You can go back on all of it.
43:24
Speaker 1: But the idea of Miami and Notre Dame at that time,
43:27
Speaker 1: no program could ever mean what Miami meant ever again.
43:31
Speaker 1: And to have that game with both of them, that
43:34
Speaker 1: was a time. Oh, yeah.
43:37
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And yes, it was way oversimplified into Catholics
43:41
Speaker 2: versus convicts, white hats versus black hats, all the racial
43:44
Speaker 2: coding that may have gone into it. But it was
43:48
Speaker 2: as stark a contrast between programs as you can about find.
43:54
Speaker 2: And then When they brawl before the game, it's like, oh, man,
43:59
Speaker 2: it is on. And then the game lived up to it, 31-30.
44:01
Speaker 2: So that was about as good as college football gets.
44:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
44:06
Speaker 1: You mentioned Bob Chesney a little earlier, and we didn't
44:08
Speaker 1: talk that much about UCLA. But they're number seven in
44:11
Speaker 1: the country. And I don't think anybody at all saw
44:16
Speaker 1: that along the way. What is it that they are
44:19
Speaker 1: doing that has allowed them to make this jump?
44:22
Speaker 2: The most amazing thing to me is they have turned
44:25
Speaker 2: UCLA of all places into a tough ass football team.
44:28
Speaker 2: Like they run the ball. They stop the run. They've
44:32
Speaker 2: got three running backs. They got it. They imported an
44:35
Speaker 2: offensive line. That's very good. And again, they lost their quarterback,
44:39
Speaker 2: Nico Yamaliava. They've got a backup, Ty Diepenbach, who was
44:42
Speaker 2: the quarterback at Cal Poly last year, and not even
44:45
Speaker 2: a great one. And so they're just like, all right,
44:48
Speaker 2: we're just going to hunker down. We're going to run
44:50
Speaker 2: it 50 times. We're going to play defense. We're going
44:54
Speaker 2: to shorten games, and we'll just find a way. So
44:57
Speaker 2: it has been not just An amazing transformation, but even
45:02
Speaker 2: within the season, an adjustment of what we're going to do.
45:06
Speaker 2: Because at least with Nico, you had some splash and
45:09
Speaker 2: some flash at quarterback, and now they really don't. But
45:12
Speaker 2: it hasn't stopped them. They've just said, well, we'll be
45:15
Speaker 2: better defensively, and we'll figure it out. And so it's
45:19
Speaker 2: as good a coaching job, non-Signetti version, as I've seen
45:22
Speaker 2: in quite a while.
45:23
Speaker 1: All right, last thing before we get out of here.
45:26
Speaker 1: I just saw the latest Deion Sanders post. That's the
45:31
Speaker 1: best way I could put it on this one. Did
45:32
Speaker 1: you see this where they asked him about they're going
45:34
Speaker 1: to honor the 2001 Big 12 champions, and they asked
45:37
Speaker 1: him about that team, and he immediately started talking about
45:39
Speaker 1: Cordell Stewart and Bill McCartney, neither of whom were anywhere
45:43
Speaker 1: near that team when they played.
45:48
Speaker 3: How much longer does this go?
45:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bigger problem there, the– Colorado radio analyst that
45:58
Speaker 2: does their games is Gary Barnett, who was the coach
46:00
Speaker 2: of that team. So it's kind of, you would think
46:02
Speaker 2: that would click in somewhere for him. Alas, no, um, look,
46:07
Speaker 2: it's bad. It is really bad. They have completely fallen apart. The,
46:12
Speaker 2: you know, the thing with Dion was, was that it
46:15
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, they were just going to make it
46:17
Speaker 2: work on force of personality, talent, and, and, and and
46:22
Speaker 2: finding a way and they don't have enough talent. The
46:24
Speaker 2: personality has gotten a little bit tired. They don't look
46:28
Speaker 2: like they are a buttoned up operation at all. I,
46:32
Speaker 2: I don't know how you sustain it. I mean, he
46:34
Speaker 2: has given them even by Colorado standards, right? Which like
46:38
Speaker 2: a nine and four season at Colorado should get you
46:40
Speaker 2: like six years on the job. But since that nine
46:43
Speaker 2: and four, his second year was Shador Sanders and with
46:46
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, it's been so bad that, That I don't know.
46:50
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really tough. Nobody wants to fire Coach Prime.
46:54
Speaker 2: But can you possibly talk him into retirement? I don't
46:58
Speaker 2: know why he still wants to do it, given some
47:00
Speaker 2: of his health situations. But it's certainly gone in a
47:05
Speaker 2: direction that it's very hard to see it coming back
47:07
Speaker 2: and going anywhere else other than a termination of the
47:12
Speaker 2: situation one way or the other.
47:14
Speaker 1: They're going to have to give him every dime. If
47:16
Speaker 1: Deion Sanders' life and career has told us anything, that's
47:18
Speaker 1: the one part. They're going to have to give him
47:21
Speaker 1: every single dime, and I think it's going to get
47:23
Speaker 1: ugly after he leaves because I bet you the first
47:26
Speaker 1: order of business is the number two is going to
47:29
Speaker 1: go back into circulation. They are going to take Shadour's
47:33
Speaker 1: number off the wall pronto.
47:34
Speaker 3: They're going to do that.
47:35
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't want to make the comparison to another
47:38
Speaker 1: team that did that in the NFL because it's unfair
47:40
Speaker 1: to Shadour Sanders, but I'm just saying they're going to
47:42
Speaker 1: take that shit off the wall and they're going to
47:43
Speaker 1: hand that back out. to somebody else. But those guys
47:46
Speaker 1: like Deion, I always think a thing they mess up
47:48
Speaker 1: and it's important. I saw this happen with Butch Davis
47:50
Speaker 1: at North Carolina. It doesn't matter if you don't respect
47:53
Speaker 1: the history that that place has. Those people respect the
47:55
Speaker 1: history of that place. And you've always got to wrap
47:57
Speaker 1: your arms around that. And he just acted like nothing
48:00
Speaker 1: had ever happened before he got there. And this was
48:04
Speaker 1: like the old one thing is like a continuation of that.
48:07
Speaker 2: Totally. No, I mean that. And look, I've played high
48:11
Speaker 2: school football for Gary Burnett, right? So I know him
48:13
Speaker 2: and I've known him since I was a teenager. And
48:18
Speaker 2: I could tell when Prime got there and asked, like,
48:21
Speaker 2: what's it like? He goes, well, it's really different. And
48:24
Speaker 2: he felt like they walked in like they had invented football,
48:28
Speaker 2: you know, and that anything that had ever happened, including
48:31
Speaker 2: his time there, had been completely shoved aside and did
48:35
Speaker 2: not matter. The players didn't matter from the old days.
48:39
Speaker 2: The coaches, any of those wins, it was all Colorado
48:42
Speaker 2: football started in like 2022. And here we go from there.
48:47
Speaker 2: And again, it was great for two years since then
48:50
Speaker 2: flat out bad.
48:51
Speaker 4: All right.
48:51
Speaker 3: One more thing that I think about it for my
48:53
Speaker 3: North Carolina people, because they're here. We talked about this.
48:55
Speaker 3: They fired Dave Doran.
48:56
Speaker 1: Who I think did about what one would expect from
49:01
Speaker 1: North Carolina state. But at the same time, I don't
49:03
Speaker 1: blame them for them saying, well, we would like to
49:05
Speaker 1: do a little better than one would expect. Like that's
49:07
Speaker 1: the nature of growth in this, but like, who could
49:11
Speaker 1: you see working at that job?
49:13
Speaker 3: Like, like, we know what it is at this point.
49:16
Speaker 3: What do you, sure. Could it be Phillip Rivers? Could
49:18
Speaker 3: it be?
49:19
Speaker 2: I mean, there's certain people that want to see that happen.
49:23
Speaker 2: I mean, to me, again, if you want to win
49:29
Speaker 2: the press conference, you go ahead and win the press
49:31
Speaker 2: conference with Phillip Rivers. Maybe it works out. He's been
49:34
Speaker 2: a high school coach. He's at least coached. He tried
49:37
Speaker 2: to get the Buffalo Bills job. I have no idea
49:40
Speaker 2: whether they took him remotely seriously. But who didn't win
49:44
Speaker 2: the press conference recently? Indiana, UCLA. Guess where they are?
49:49
Speaker 2: I mean, they've had unbelievable runs. So winning the press
49:53
Speaker 2: conference is completely overrated, making the alums feel warm and
49:57
Speaker 2: fuzzy because we got our guy. He's got his four-star
50:00
Speaker 2: quarterback son with him. Fine, but I think you could
50:04
Speaker 2: certainly make a more Well-informed, less risky hire. And if
50:12
Speaker 2: you've already just had Will Wade completely blow up in
50:15
Speaker 2: your face, wouldn't you like to make a well-informed, less
50:18
Speaker 2: risky hire?
50:19
Speaker 1: I just can't explain to you how much they love
50:21
Speaker 1: Phillip Rivers. I cannot begin. And look, I wasn't even
50:26
Speaker 1: a state guy and I love Phillip Rivers because my
50:28
Speaker 1: first year living there was his senior year. And buddy,
50:31
Speaker 1: I just can't explain to you how bad that football
50:33
Speaker 1: was that was there. It would be such a relief.
50:34
Speaker 1: Anytime I turned on and saw Phillip Rivers, I was like, hey, man,
50:38
Speaker 1: At least I'm going to get a show. And I
50:39
Speaker 1: guess that's how they feel under those same circumstances. Speaking
50:44
Speaker 1: of Will Wade, I saw that you and your buddy
50:46
Speaker 1: had a nice little chat. at SEC Basketball Media Days.
50:50
Speaker 1: Did we ever find out?
50:51
Speaker 2: One of us was there. One of us was there.
50:55
Speaker 2: He wasn't. Unless you didn't show up, we had to
50:57
Speaker 2: have a Zoom call with him. Now, yes, there was
51:00
Speaker 2: legitimate fog that kept him from getting there, but they
51:02
Speaker 2: could have come later in the day, right? I would think. Yeah, no,
51:06
Speaker 2: Will's trying to pull some shenanigans down there.
51:09
Speaker 1: Do we have any idea if those guys are going
51:11
Speaker 1: to play?
51:13
Speaker 2: It looks like... the guys that are on the roster
51:16
Speaker 2: now are going to play. RJ Luis, the transfer from St.
51:20
Speaker 2: John's who was in the NBA, that doesn't look like
51:24
Speaker 2: it's going to happen. He's still trying, legally, but I
51:27
Speaker 2: don't know how you get that past the SEC. And
51:30
Speaker 2: then they had a guy from, I think, was it
51:33
Speaker 2: Brazil or Israel, who's not going to play. But they're
51:36
Speaker 2: going to, look, they're going to have enough bodies. They're
51:38
Speaker 2: going to have players. They're going to have like eight
51:41
Speaker 2: or nine guys who can play and... We'll see what
51:44
Speaker 2: they make of it. All right.
51:45
Speaker 3: This is my last one last thing.
51:46
Speaker 1: Cause I know I've said like four last things, but
51:48
Speaker 1: it dawned on me since we are talking about LSU basketball,
51:51
Speaker 1: we have not talked about Dale Brown on this show
51:53
Speaker 1: who passed away last week. And I was just curious
51:56
Speaker 1: your thoughts. Cause Dale Brown, Dale Brown was one of
51:58
Speaker 1: the rare college coaches of that generation that my daddy
52:01
Speaker 1: would refer to as a great man. Like you weren't
52:03
Speaker 1: going to find anybody that got more positive compliments from
52:05
Speaker 1: people than Dale Brown did after die.
52:09
Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I, I'm a young guy covering Kentucky basketball
52:13
Speaker 2: in the SEC, and Dale Brown was like this geyser
52:19
Speaker 2: of content. You just couldn't believe the stuff that came
52:22
Speaker 2: out of his mouth, the things that he did, the
52:24
Speaker 2: talent he got, the talent he mismanaged as a coach.
52:28
Speaker 2: I mean, I still very vividly remember Kentucky with seven
52:32
Speaker 2: scholarship players beating Shaq, Chris Jackson, and Stanley Roberts in
52:36
Speaker 2: Rupp Arena. I remember Dale coming in like the next
52:39
Speaker 2: year with the freak defense, which was a bad triangle
52:41
Speaker 2: and two, and Kentucky scoring like 117 on him. But
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Speaker 2: you get him at the SEC tournament. I remember one
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Speaker 2: year they were going to have to play four games
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Speaker 2: in four days back when that was kind of a
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Speaker 2: big thing. So Dale just convinces his team, fatigue is overrated.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to stay up every minute of every day
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Speaker 2: until we're eliminated. I'm staying up around the clock. And
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Speaker 2: he announces this at a press conference. And then like
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Speaker 2: at two in the morning, he's calling reporters like Ron Higgins. Ron,
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Speaker 2: this is Dale Brown giving you your 2 a.m. barometric
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Speaker 2: pressure check. It just became this thing. That's who he was.
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Speaker 2: He's just weird and hilarious and captivating. A true character.
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Speaker 2: There are not coaches like him anymore.
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Speaker 1: But if you gave Dale five dudes from Scotlandville, a
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Speaker 1: couple from Baker, and one from Zachary, you could go
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Speaker 1: to the Final Four.
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Speaker 2: True, yes. If you give him Shaq, you can't. No.
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Speaker 2: But if you give him those guys, he did go
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Speaker 2: to the Final Four twice.
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Speaker 1: Yep, and a point I've seen people make, as much
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Speaker 1: as we could argue that Dale was an underachiever, they've
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Speaker 1: not been as good since he left. They have not
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Speaker 1: been as good. It's been 20 years since they made
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Speaker 1: a Final Four with a worse coach than Dale Brown
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Speaker 1: ever could be, by the way. They went to a
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Speaker 1: Final Four with John Brady. LSU basketball. LSU has the
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Speaker 1: four best players in the history of the Southeastern Conference,
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Speaker 1: I think that you could argue. Shaq, Maravich, Bob Pettit,
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Speaker 1: and Chris Jackson. And nothing to show for it.
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Speaker 2: It is amazing. I mean, truly, like what? Multiple NBA
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Speaker 2: Hall of Famers there. And not just Hall of Fame,
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Speaker 2: but like all-time top 50.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's three guys on the 75 team. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then Chris Jackson, who... Maybe the best college freshman
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Speaker 1: that ever lived.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Chris Jackson was 27 points a game right away.
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Speaker 2: It was unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: And like 5'11, 140 pounds.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. My brother tells a story about guarding Chris Jackson
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Speaker 1: in a pickup game because he went to Southern when
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Speaker 1: those guys were at LSU. So he had to guard
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Speaker 1: Chris Jackson at a pickup game at the Armory in
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Speaker 1: Baton Rouge, and he said he got caught on a switch,
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Speaker 1: and now he's guarding Chris Jackson. And he said, well,
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Speaker 1: what he's not going to do is go buy me.
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep going back, and he's not
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Speaker 1: going to go buy me. And he said there wasn't
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Speaker 1: no he's not going to go buy me. There was
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Speaker 1: no retreat going back fast enough for anything else.
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Speaker 3: There was nothing that you could do in the face
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Speaker 3: of that guy.
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Speaker 1: But Dale squared off with the NCAA before people had
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Speaker 1: the heart to square off with the NCAA, too. Like,
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Speaker 1: you may not know this. Dale Brown was honored in
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Speaker 1: 2013 by the 100 Black Men of Baton Rouge for
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Speaker 1: lifetime contributions to the community.
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Speaker 2: How about that? Thanks, Luke. Dale was, you know what,
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Speaker 2: Dale was for the cause, whatever the cause was.
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Basically. Dale was for.
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Speaker 1: And let me tell you, Daddy Dale is an all-time
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Speaker 1: great nickname. Like, you've done something right if people are
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Speaker 1: willing to call you Daddy Dale in public. But, hey,
55:41
Speaker 1: that is Pat Forty. Check him out, SI.com, covering college
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Speaker 1: football and college basketball.
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Speaker 3: My man, I greatly appreciate you.
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Speaker 2: My pleasure.
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