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Navigating Parenthood and Storytelling: A Mother's Unique Perspective · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

3:44
Hi,
3:45
I'm
3:45
Allison
3:45
and
3:46
I
3:46
am
3:46
the
3:46
author
3:46
of
3:47
Thatcher
3:48
Hates
3:48
the
3:48
Bath.
3:50
Thanks,
3:50
Allison,
3:51
for
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appearing
3:51
on
3:52
the
3:52
Adventures
3:53
in
3:53
the
3:53
Heart,
3:53
a
3:53
children's
3:54
book
3:54
authors
3:54
podcast.
3:56
Alison,
3:57
as
3:57
she
3:57
mentioned,
3:58
has
3:58
written
3:58
a
3:59
book,
3:59
Thatcher
4:00
Hates
4:01
the
4:01
Bath,
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and
4:01
I'm
4:02
looking
4:02
forward
4:02
to
4:02
that
4:03
conversation.
4:04
And
4:04
just
4:04
so
4:04
our
4:05
audience
4:05
knows,
4:05
I
4:06
do
4:06
have
4:06
a
4:06
copy
4:07
of
4:07
Allison's
4:08
book
4:08
and
4:08
it
4:08
was
4:09
a
4:09
lot
4:09
of
4:09
fun
4:09
to
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read.
4:10
Alison,
4:11
normally
4:12
I
4:12
don't
4:12
ask
4:12
this
4:13
question,
4:14
but
4:14
the
4:15
reason
4:15
I'm
4:15
asking
4:16
this
4:16
question
4:17
to
4:17
you
4:18
is
4:18
because
4:19
of
4:19
your
4:19
background
4:20
in
4:20
the
4:20
entertainment
4:21
business.
4:22
I'd
4:22
like
4:22
to
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give
4:23
the
4:23
listeners
4:24
a
4:24
little
4:24
taste
4:24
of
4:25
your
4:25
background.
4:26
Can
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you
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share
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a
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little
4:27
insight
4:28
into
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your
4:28
professional
4:29
background?
4:31
I'm
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a
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TV
4:32
writer
4:32
by
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trade.
4:33
I
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write
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episodic
4:35
dramas.
4:37
Most
4:37
of
4:38
my
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work
4:38
is
4:38
in
4:39
the
4:39
procedural
4:40
universe
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or
4:40
like
4:41
action
4:41
thriller
4:43
type
4:43
shows
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I've
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written
4:45
for.
4:45
The
4:46
most
4:46
popular
4:46
one
4:47
is
4:47
still
4:47
on
4:47
today
4:48
and
4:48
it's
4:48
been
4:48
on,
4:48
I
4:49
think
4:49
27
4:49
seasons
4:50
now.
4:50
Law
4:50
and
4:51
order,
4:51
SVU.
4:52
I
4:52
wrote
4:53
for
4:53
that
4:53
two
4:53
different
4:54
times
4:54
in
4:54
my
4:55
life
4:55
in
4:55
my
4:56
early
4:56
30s
4:56
and
4:57
then
4:57
again
4:58
in
4:58
my
4:58
early
4:59
40s.
5:00
And
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I've
5:01
also
5:01
written
5:01
for
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Bull
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East
5:04
New
5:05
York,
5:06
one
5:06
of
5:06
the
5:06
powered
5:07
shows
5:08
that's
5:08
on
5:08
Starz
5:09
that's
5:09
also
5:09
very
5:10
popular.
5:11
Thank
5:11
you
5:12
for
5:12
sharing
5:12
that.
5:13
Before
5:13
we
5:13
get
5:14
into
5:14
the
5:14
details
5:15
of
5:15
your
5:15
book,
5:16
can
5:16
you
5:16
tell
5:17
us
5:17
what
5:18
being
5:18
a
5:19
children's
5:19
book
5:19
author
5:20
means
5:20
to
5:20
you?
5:21
That's
5:21
a
5:21
great
5:21
question
5:22
and
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it's
5:22
a
5:22
loaded
5:23
question.
5:23
I
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think
5:24
for
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me
5:25
being
5:26
author
5:26
and
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also
5:27
a
5:28
mother
5:29
of
5:29
a
5:29
children's
5:29
book,
5:30
the
5:30
two
5:30
things
5:30
are
5:30
connected.
5:31
Part
5:32
of
5:32
the
5:32
reason
5:32
why
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I
5:33
went
5:33
into
5:33
writing
5:33
this
5:34
book
5:34
is
5:34
because
5:34
I'm
5:35
a
5:35
mom
5:36
of
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a
5:36
four
5:37
year
5:37
old
5:38
and
5:38
I
5:39
did
5:40
rip
5:40
this
5:40
directly
5:41
from
5:41
a
5:41
page
5:42
in
5:42
our
5:42
lives
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and
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I
5:44
just
5:45
loved
5:45
being
5:46
able
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to
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speak
5:48
to
5:48
both
5:49
the
5:49
child
5:49
and
5:50
the
5:50
parent
5:51
that's
5:51
reading
5:52
this
5:52
book.
5:53
And
5:53
I
5:53
think
5:54
that
5:54
reaching
5:56
both
5:56
of
5:56
those
5:57
people
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and
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knowing
5:59
that
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I'm
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in
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their
6:00
homes
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and
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maybe
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giving
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them
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a
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little
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bit
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of
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a
6:02
laugh
6:02
and
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making
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things
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a
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little
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bit
6:03
easier
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at
6:04
the
6:04
end
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of
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the
6:04
night
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is
6:05
all
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you
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can
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ask
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for.
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Terrific.
6:06
Let's
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jump
6:07
into
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this.
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I'm
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curious.
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You
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talked,
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you
6:09
have
6:10
a
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four
6:10
year
6:10
old
6:10
son.
6:11
So
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tell
6:11
us
6:12
about
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your
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inspiration,
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if
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he
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was
6:15
the
6:15
inspiration
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and
6:16
your
6:16
origin
6:17
story
6:17
because
6:18
I
6:18
really
6:18
love
6:18
the
6:19
loved
6:19
how
6:20
you
6:20
did
6:20
the
6:20
story
6:20
and
6:21
we'll
6:21
jump
6:21
more
6:21
into
6:22
that.
6:22
But
6:22
tell
6:22
us
6:23
about
6:23
the
6:23
inspiration.
6:24
How
6:24
did
6:24
you
6:24
get
6:24
started?
6:26
I
6:26
became
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a
6:27
mom
6:27
in
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2021.
6:28
I
6:28
adopted
6:29
my
6:29
son
6:29
at
6:29
birth
6:30
and
6:32
parenting
6:32
is
6:33
messy
6:34
and
6:34
it's,
6:35
everyone
6:35
will
6:35
tell
6:36
you
6:36
it's
6:36
amazing.
6:37
And
6:37
your
6:37
heart
6:38
grows
6:39
like
6:40
three
6:40
times
6:40
as
6:41
large
6:41
and
6:41
all
6:41
of
6:42
those
6:42
things.
6:43
But
6:44
what's
6:44
funny
6:45
about
6:45
being
6:46
a
6:46
parent
6:47
is
6:47
you
6:48
see
6:48
movies
6:49
on
6:49
parenting
6:50
and
6:50
you
6:51
read
6:51
books
6:52
on
6:52
the
6:53
love
6:53
you
6:53
feel
6:54
as
6:54
a
6:54
mother
6:55
and
6:56
the
6:56
comedic
6:57
moments
6:57
that
6:57
come
6:57
out
6:57
of
6:58
it.
6:58
But
6:58
until
6:58
you're
6:58
really
6:59
in
6:59
it,
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you
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don't
7:00
really
7:01
know
7:01
what
7:01
it
7:02
is
7:02
because
7:02
there's
7:02
so
7:03
much
7:03
that
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happens
7:03
that
7:04
nobody
7:05
tells
7:05
you.
7:05
Like
7:05
people
7:06
tell
7:06
you
7:07
kids
7:07
are
7:08
picky
7:08
eaters,
7:08
so
7:09
you
7:09
think,
7:09
okay,
7:09
I
7:10
didn't
7:10
like
7:10
beets
7:10
when
7:10
I
7:11
was
7:11
a
7:11
kid,
7:11
so
7:11
I
7:11
get
7:12
it.
7:12
But
7:12
no
7:13
one
7:13
tells
7:13
you
7:14
your
7:14
kid's
7:14
only
7:14
going
7:14
to
7:15
want
7:15
to
7:15
eat
7:15
pizza
7:15
for
7:15
an
7:16
entire
7:16
year,
7:16
and
7:16
that's
7:17
all
7:17
they're
7:17
going
7:17
to
7:17
want
7:17
to
7:18
eat.
7:18
And
7:18
how
7:18
do
7:18
you
7:18
navigate
7:19
that?
7:19
And
7:20
how
7:20
do
7:20
you
7:20
not
7:20
lose
7:21
your
7:21
mind
7:21
in
7:21
the
7:21
process?
7:22
And
7:22
how
7:22
do
7:22
you
7:22
not
7:23
feel
7:23
like
7:23
you're
7:23
failing?
7:23
And
7:24
so
7:25
I
7:25
think
7:25
that
7:25
was
7:25
the
7:26
impetus
7:26
for
7:26
me
7:27
writing
7:27
the
7:27
book
7:27
and
7:28
the
7:28
origin
7:28
of
7:28
it.
7:28
My
7:29
son
7:29
hated
7:30
taking
7:30
a
7:30
bath
7:31
from
7:32
birth
7:33
all
7:33
the
7:33
way
7:34
to,
7:35
you
7:35
know,
7:35
I
7:36
would
7:36
say,
7:37
two
7:37
and
7:37
a
7:37
half,
7:37
three
7:38
years
7:38
old.
7:39
And
7:40
you
7:40
try
7:40
all
7:40
of
7:41
these
7:41
things
7:41
and
7:42
none
7:42
of
7:42
them
7:42
work.
7:43
And
7:44
some
7:44
of
7:44
the
7:45
suggestions
7:45
you
7:45
get
7:45
are
7:46
truly
7:46
comical.
7:47
They're
7:47
not
7:47
as
7:48
outrageous
7:48
as
7:48
this
7:49
book.
7:49
But
7:50
I'm
7:50
being
7:50
hyperbolic
7:51
in
7:51
it
7:51
for
7:52
a
7:52
reason.
7:52
Appealing
7:53
to
7:53
children.
7:53
But
7:54
I'm
7:54
also
7:55
showing
7:55
how,
7:55
as
7:56
parents,
7:56
when
7:57
something
7:57
doesn't
7:58
work
7:58
and
7:58
someone
7:58
offers
7:59
us
7:59
what
8:00
seems
8:00
like
8:00
it's
8:00
going
8:00
to
8:01
fix
8:01
it,
8:01
you'll
8:02
spend
8:02
thousands
8:03
of
8:03
dollars
8:04
just.
8:04
And
8:04
that's
8:04
also
8:05
being
8:05
a
8:05
little
8:05
hyperbolic,
8:06
but
8:06
you'll
8:06
buy
8:07
everything,
8:08
every
8:08
gadget,
8:08
to
8:08
try
8:09
to
8:09
get
8:09
your
8:09
kid
8:09
to
8:10
do
8:11
whatever
8:11
it
8:11
is
8:11
that
8:11
you're
8:11
struggling
8:12
with.
8:12
And
8:12
so
8:12
I
8:13
really
8:13
just
8:13
wanted
8:13
to
8:13
poke
8:14
fun
8:14
at
8:14
the
8:14
chaos
8:15
of
8:15
that.
8:15
And
8:16
I
8:16
loved
8:16
it
8:16
because
8:17
it's
8:17
interesting.
8:18
I
8:19
have
8:19
five
8:19
grandchildren,
8:21
and
8:21
so
8:21
that's
8:22
my
8:22
freshest
8:22
memory
8:23
at
8:23
that
8:24
time.
8:24
And
8:24
it
8:25
was
8:25
cool
8:26
in
8:26
reading
8:26
your
8:26
book
8:27
because
8:28
of
8:28
how
8:28
you
8:28
set
8:29
it
8:29
up.
8:29
In
8:30
our
8:30
case,
8:31
with
8:31
all
8:32
five
8:32
of
8:32
them,
8:32
we
8:33
never
8:33
ran
8:33
into
8:33
that.
8:34
What
8:34
we
8:34
ran
8:34
into
8:35
was
8:35
they
8:36
never
8:36
wanted
8:36
to
8:37
come
8:37
out
8:37
of
8:37
the
8:37
tub.
8:39
And
8:39
that
8:39
was.
8:40
So
8:40
that
8:41
kind
8:41
of
8:41
rang
8:42
true
8:42
for
8:43
us
8:43
in
8:43
your
8:43
story,
8:44
because
8:45
even
8:45
though
8:46
Thatcher
8:47
hates
8:47
the
8:47
bath,
8:48
in
8:48
this
8:48
case
8:49
our
8:49
grandchildren
8:50
love
8:50
the
8:50
bathroom,
8:51
and
8:52
they
8:52
didn't
8:52
want
8:52
to
8:53
come
8:53
out
8:53
of
8:53
the
8:53
bath.
8:53
And
8:54
that
8:54
definitely
8:55
set
8:55
up
8:55
some
8:56
trying
8:57
times
8:57
as
8:58
a
8:58
grandparent.
8:59
Yeah,
8:59
because
8:59
they're
8:59
kicking
9:00
and
9:00
they're
9:00
kicking
9:00
and
9:00
screaming,
9:01
and
9:01
you're
9:02
like,
9:02
do
9:02
I
9:02
really
9:03
want
9:03
to
9:03
do
9:03
this?
9:03
Should
9:04
I
9:04
just
9:04
leave
9:04
them
9:04
in
9:04
the
9:04
bath
9:05
all
9:05
night?
9:06
Exactly.
9:07
I
9:08
do
9:08
think
9:08
that
9:09
the
9:09
one
9:09
thing
9:09
that
9:10
I
9:10
hope
9:10
people
9:10
take
9:11
away
9:11
from
9:11
this
9:11
book,
9:12
though,
9:12
is
9:12
that
9:12
it's
9:13
more
9:13
a
9:13
book
9:13
about
9:14
meltdowns
9:15
told
9:15
through
9:16
the
9:16
bag.
9:17
But
9:17
that's
9:18
really
9:18
what
9:18
it's
9:18
about.
9:19
It's
9:19
about
9:19
meltdowns
9:20
and
9:20
about
9:21
all
9:21
the
9:21
crazy
9:21
things
9:22
we
9:22
do.
9:22
And
9:22
also
9:23
just
9:24
that.
9:24
And
9:24
that's
9:25
what
9:25
I
9:25
loved
9:25
about
9:25
it
9:26
is
9:26
that.
9:26
Yeah.
9:27
Whether
9:27
it's
9:28
a
9:28
meltdown
9:28
because
9:29
of
9:29
hating
9:30
the
9:30
bath
9:30
or
9:31
a
9:31
meltdown
9:31
because
9:33
you
9:33
love
9:33
the
9:33
bath
9:34
and
9:34
you
9:34
didn't
9:34
want
9:34
to
9:34
come
9:34
out
9:35
of
9:35
it.
9:35
Yeah.
9:35
Great
9:36
point.
9:36
Thank
9:36
you.
9:37
I'm
9:37
interested
9:38
in
9:39
as
9:39
you
9:39
develop
9:40
this
9:40
and
9:40
I'm
9:41
not
9:41
sure
9:42
if
9:42
Thatcher
9:43
is
9:43
going
9:43
to
9:43
be
9:44
in
9:44
any
9:44
more
9:44
adventures,
9:46
but
9:46
did
9:46
you
9:47
think
9:47
about
9:48
building
9:49
a
9:49
children's
9:50
book
9:50
business
9:51
plan?
9:53
What's
9:53
your
9:53
intention
9:54
behind
9:54
the
9:54
book?
9:56
I
9:56
would
9:56
say
9:57
that
9:57
I
9:57
definitely
9:58
think
9:58
Thatcher
9:59
could
9:59
be
9:59
a
9:59
series
10:00
for
10:00
sure
10:01
on
10:01
books.
10:02
Because
10:02
there's
10:02
something
10:03
kids
10:03
hate
10:04
all
10:04
the
10:04
time
10:05
and
10:05
there's
10:05
also
10:06
things
10:06
kids
10:06
love.
10:07
And
10:08
I
10:08
just
10:08
did
10:08
a
10:08
reading
10:09
yesterday
10:09
at
10:10
a
10:10
school
10:10
and
10:11
I
10:11
asked
10:11
the
10:11
kids
10:12
what
10:12
should
10:12
my
10:12
next
10:13
book
10:13
be?
10:13
And
10:14
one
10:14
kid
10:14
said,
10:15
thatcher
10:15
hates
10:16
book
10:16
books.
10:16
And
10:17
I
10:17
just
10:17
thought,
10:18
oh
10:18
my
10:18
gosh,
10:18
that's
10:19
hilarious.
10:19
There's
10:19
something
10:20
there.
10:20
Just
10:20
because
10:21
you're
10:21
at
10:21
a
10:21
library
10:22
and
10:22
you
10:22
look
10:22
at
10:22
a
10:22
book
10:23
and
10:23
Thatcher
10:23
hates
10:24
books.
10:24
Okay.
10:25
The
10:26
mouths
10:26
of
10:26
babes.
10:27
Yes,
10:27
the
10:28
mouths
10:28
of
10:28
babes.
10:28
You
10:28
always
10:28
want
10:28
to
10:29
find
10:29
that
10:29
specific
10:31
thing
10:31
in
10:32
terms
10:32
of
10:32
it.
10:32
Like
10:33
a
10:33
kid
10:34
hates
10:34
broccoli.
10:35
Okay.
10:35
But
10:35
you
10:35
don't
10:35
want
10:35
to
10:36
do
10:36
Thatcher
10:36
hates
10:37
broccoli.
10:37
It's
10:37
got
10:37
to
10:37
be
10:37
something
10:38
that's
10:38
most
10:39
kids
10:39
love.
10:39
Like
10:40
Thatcher
10:40
hates
10:40
Mac
10:40
and
10:41
cheese.
10:41
Cuz
10:41
it's.
10:42
No,
10:42
every
10:42
kid
10:42
loves
10:42
Mac
10:43
and
10:43
cheese.
10:43
Maybe
10:43
it
10:44
should
10:44
be
10:44
video
10:44
games.
10:46
Exactly.
10:47
That's
10:47
video
10:48
games.
10:48
That
10:48
would
10:48
be
10:48
perfect.
10:49
As
10:49
we
10:49
move
10:49
into
10:50
the
10:50
preteen.
10:51
The
10:51
preteen
10:51
years.
10:52
Thatcher
10:53
hates
10:53
zombies.
10:53
My
10:54
kid
10:54
went
10:54
through
10:54
a
10:54
zombie
10:55
stage
10:55
where
10:55
he
10:55
was
10:56
afraid
10:56
of
10:56
zombies.
10:56
I
10:56
had
10:56
no
10:57
idea
10:57
where
10:58
it
10:58
came
10:58
from,
10:58
but
10:58
I
10:59
became
10:59
a
10:59
detective
11:00
like
11:00
I
11:00
would.
11:00
I
11:01
went
11:01
to
11:01
his
11:01
school
11:01
and
11:01
was
11:02
like
11:02
from
11:03
curiosity.
11:03
Are
11:04
you
11:04
talking
11:04
about
11:04
zombies,
11:05
my
11:06
son?
11:07
My
11:07
intention,
11:08
I
11:08
would
11:08
say,
11:08
say
11:08
is
11:09
this
11:09
is
11:10
my
11:10
first
11:11
time
11:12
writing
11:13
and
11:13
I
11:13
would
11:14
also
11:14
say
11:14
producing
11:15
because
11:15
I
11:15
self
11:15
published
11:16
this
11:16
book
11:16
under
11:17
my
11:17
imprint.
11:17
You
11:18
really
11:18
are
11:19
producing
11:19
the
11:19
book
11:20
when
11:20
you
11:20
self
11:20
publish.
11:21
Yes.
11:22
And
11:22
I
11:22
noticed
11:22
that
11:23
you
11:23
actually
11:23
did
11:24
it
11:24
in
11:24
a
11:24
paperback
11:25
and
11:26
a
11:26
hardcover
11:26
and
11:27
also
11:27
an
11:27
ebook.
11:28
Yeah.
11:28
Tell
11:28
us
11:29
a
11:29
little
11:29
bit
11:29
about
11:30
especially
11:31
as
11:31
an
11:31
indie
11:31
book
11:32
publisher.
11:33
I'm
11:33
always
11:33
curious.
11:34
You
11:34
jumped
11:35
into
11:35
all
11:35
three
11:35
formats
11:37
at
11:37
once.
11:38
A
11:38
lot
11:38
of
11:38
indie
11:38
publishers
11:39
will
11:39
do
11:39
a
11:40
paperback
11:40
and
11:41
an
11:41
ebook
11:41
or
11:41
they'll
11:42
do
11:42
a
11:42
hardcover
11:43
in
11:43
an
11:43
ebook.
11:44
Tell
11:44
us
11:44
why
11:45
you
11:45
went
11:45
with
11:45
all
11:45
three
11:46
formats.
11:47
I
11:48
feel.
11:48
And
11:48
this
11:48
is
11:49
Gonna,
11:49
this
11:49
may
11:50
sound,
11:50
it's
11:51
just
11:51
like
11:51
a
11:51
preference.
11:52
I,
11:52
I
11:53
like
11:53
the
11:54
hardback
11:54
books
11:55
better
11:55
when
11:55
I'm
11:55
reading
11:56
them
11:56
to
11:56
my
11:56
son.
11:56
I
11:57
like
11:57
the
11:58
thickness
11:58
of
11:58
them.
11:58
Yes.
11:59
And
12:00
I
12:00
really
12:00
wanted
12:01
my
12:01
book
12:01
to
12:01
be
12:02
in,
12:02
in
12:03
a
12:03
hardcover.
12:04
So
12:05
when
12:05
I
12:05
was
12:06
starting
12:06
to
12:06
get
12:07
into
12:07
the
12:07
self
12:07
publishing
12:08
world,
12:09
everyone
12:10
kind
12:10
of
12:10
says
12:11
when
12:11
you.
12:11
I
12:11
wrote
12:12
a
12:12
memoir
12:12
and
12:13
I
12:13
haven't,
12:13
I
12:13
haven't
12:14
published,
12:14
but
12:15
I
12:15
wrote
12:16
a
12:16
memoir.
12:16
And
12:16
people
12:16
were
12:17
saying,
12:17
have
12:17
you
12:18
considered
12:18
self
12:18
publishing?
12:19
And
12:20
they
12:20
make
12:20
it
12:20
sound
12:20
like
12:21
it's
12:21
very
12:21
easy.
12:21
Oh,
12:22
just
12:22
throw
12:22
it
12:22
up
12:22
on
12:23
Amazon.
12:24
And
12:24
so
12:24
that's
12:24
where
12:25
I
12:25
started
12:25
with
12:26
this.
12:26
When
12:26
I
12:27
found
12:27
out
12:27
Amazon
12:28
didn't
12:28
do
12:29
paperback,
12:30
that's
12:30
when
12:30
I
12:31
went,
12:31
oh,
12:31
you
12:31
meant
12:32
hardcover.
12:33
Yeah,
12:34
they
12:34
didn't,
12:34
sorry.
12:34
When
12:35
I
12:35
found
12:35
on
12:35
Amazon
12:35
didn't
12:36
do
12:36
hardcover.
12:36
Thank
12:37
you
12:37
for
12:37
catching
12:37
that.
12:37
That's
12:38
when
12:38
I
12:38
went
12:38
with
12:38
Ingram
12:39
Spark.
12:40
And
12:40
part
12:41
of
12:41
the
12:41
other
12:42
thing
12:42
is,
12:43
and
12:43
this
12:43
is
12:43
just
12:44
me,
12:44
this
12:44
is
12:44
what
12:44
I
12:45
found
12:45
out,
12:45
that
12:45
I'm
12:46
not
12:46
an
12:46
authoritarian
12:47
on
12:47
this.
12:47
But
12:47
I
12:48
did
12:49
really
12:49
do
12:49
a
12:49
lot
12:49
of
12:50
research
12:50
in
12:50
what
12:50
makes
12:51
a
12:52
children's
12:52
book,
12:53
you
12:53
know,
12:54
thrive
12:54
versus
12:55
fail.
12:55
And
12:56
a
12:56
lot
12:56
of
12:56
it
12:56
when
12:56
you're
12:57
self
12:57
publishing
12:57
is
12:58
how
12:58
it
12:58
looks.
12:59
And
13:00
a
13:00
lot
13:00
of
13:00
times
13:00
I
13:00
think
13:01
people,
13:02
we
13:02
all
13:02
do
13:02
what
13:02
we
13:03
can
13:03
with
13:03
the
13:03
money
13:03
that
13:03
we
13:04
have
13:04
and
13:04
it's
13:04
not
13:05
cheap.
13:05
I
13:05
think
13:06
paperback
13:07
works
13:07
for
13:07
some
13:07
people
13:08
for
13:08
the
13:09
fact
13:09
that
13:09
they
13:09
aren't
13:10
going
13:10
to
13:10
spend
13:10
a
13:10
lot
13:10
of
13:10
money
13:11
on
13:11
maybe
13:11
the
13:11
illustrations
13:12
and
13:12
everything
13:12
like
13:12
that.
13:13
But
13:13
you
13:14
really
13:14
want
13:14
to
13:14
make
13:14
sure
13:15
if
13:15
you
13:16
want
13:16
your
13:16
book
13:16
to
13:16
do
13:16
well
13:17
and
13:17
it's
13:17
already
13:17
going
13:18
to
13:18
have
13:19
a
13:19
struggle
13:20
being
13:20
a
13:20
self
13:20
published
13:21
book.
13:21
So
13:21
if
13:21
you
13:21
want
13:22
it
13:22
to
13:22
do
13:22
well,
13:23
I
13:23
think
13:23
you
13:23
want
13:23
it
13:24
to
13:24
look
13:24
as
13:25
legitimate
13:25
as
13:25
possible.
13:26
And
13:27
most
13:28
books
13:28
that
13:28
are
13:28
done
13:29
by
13:29
traditional
13:30
publishers
13:30
aren't
13:31
paperback,
13:32
they
13:32
are
13:32
hardcover.
13:33
Paperback
13:34
and
13:34
then
13:34
ebook
13:35
is
13:35
something
13:36
new.
13:36
But
13:37
everybody
13:37
does
13:37
it
13:37
now
13:38
cause
13:38
we
13:38
read
13:38
on
13:38
our
13:38
Kindles
13:39
and
13:39
everything
13:40
like
13:40
that.
13:40
So
13:40
I
13:41
just
13:41
wanted
13:41
to
13:41
make
13:41
it
13:42
as
13:43
successful
13:43
as
13:43
it
13:44
possibly
13:44
could
13:44
be,
13:45
give
13:45
it
13:45
the
13:45
best
13:45
chance.
13:46
I
13:46
wouldn't
13:46
do
13:46
it.
13:47
I
13:47
want
13:47
to
13:47
give
13:47
you
13:48
a
13:48
big
13:48
shout
13:48
out
13:49
because
13:49
I
13:50
noticed
13:50
when
13:50
you
13:51
launched
13:51
your
13:51
book,
13:52
you
13:52
launched
13:52
it
13:53
on
13:53
September
13:54
6th
13:55
of
13:55
this
13:55
year,
13:55
2025
13:57
and
13:58
you
13:58
already
13:59
have
13:59
45
14:01
star
14:01
reviews.
14:02
And
14:02
I
14:03
was
14:03
blown
14:03
away
14:04
because
14:04
most
14:04
of
14:05
the
14:05
guests
14:05
that
14:05
I
14:05
talked
14:06
to
14:06
and
14:06
I'm
14:06
up
14:07
Talking
14:07
to
14:07
over
14:08
65
14:08
children's
14:09
book
14:09
authors,
14:10
it
14:10
takes
14:11
them
14:11
a
14:11
couple
14:11
of
14:11
years
14:12
to
14:12
get
14:12
even
14:12
into
14:13
that
14:13
kind
14:13
of
14:13
number
14:14
and
14:14
for
14:15
you
14:15
to
14:15
do
14:15
it
14:15
in
14:16
such
14:16
a
14:16
short
14:16
period
14:17
of
14:17
time.
14:18
Fantastic.
14:19
Just
14:20
fantastic.
14:20
Thank
14:20
you.
14:21
I'm
14:21
curious,
14:22
can
14:22
you
14:22
share
14:24
what
14:24
was
14:24
your
14:24
strategy
14:25
behind
14:26
getting
14:27
45
14:28
star
14:28
reviews
14:28
so
14:29
quickly?
14:30
I'm
14:31
a
14:31
dreamer,
14:31
a
14:31
hundred
14:32
percent.
14:33
Everybody
14:33
says
14:33
you're
14:34
not
14:34
going
14:34
to
14:34
make
14:34
money
14:34
in
14:34
publishing.
14:35
I'm
14:35
like,
14:35
I'm
14:35
going
14:36
to
14:36
make
14:36
money
14:36
in
14:36
publishing.
14:37
My
14:37
book's
14:37
going
14:37
to
14:38
be
14:38
successful.
14:39
Whether
14:39
it
14:39
is
14:39
or
14:39
not.
14:40
That's
14:40
my
14:41
mindset
14:41
going
14:41
into
14:42
it.
14:42
And
14:43
I
14:43
think
14:43
this
14:43
probably
14:43
comes
14:44
from
14:44
being
14:44
a
14:44
TV
14:45
writer.
14:45
Like,
14:45
it's
14:45
such
14:46
a
14:46
hard
14:46
business
14:46
to
14:46
break
14:46
into.
14:47
You
14:47
really
14:47
have
14:48
to
14:48
learn
14:49
as
14:49
much
14:50
as
14:50
you
14:50
can
14:50
and
14:50
be
14:51
willing
14:51
to
14:52
hear
14:53
notes
14:54
and
14:54
feedback
14:55
and
14:55
just
14:55
get
14:55
everything
14:56
you
14:56
can.
14:56
You
14:56
have
14:57
to
14:57
hit
14:57
it
14:57
from
14:57
all
14:57
sides.
14:58
You
14:58
can't
14:58
just
14:58
hit
14:58
it
14:58
from
14:58
one
14:59
side.
14:59
You
14:59
have
14:59
to
14:59
hit
14:59
it
14:59
from
14:59
all
15:00
sides.
15:00
So
15:01
with
15:01
that
15:02
knowledge
15:02
in
15:02
mind,
15:04
interviewed
15:04
a
15:04
bunch
15:05
of
15:05
PR
15:06
people.
15:07
Now,
15:07
PR
15:08
is
15:08
very
15:08
expensive
15:09
and,
15:09
and
15:10
I
15:10
think
15:11
if
15:11
you're
15:11
launching
15:11
a
15:12
movie
15:12
or
15:12
something
15:13
or
15:13
a
15:13
TV
15:13
show,
15:14
like
15:14
it
15:14
makes
15:14
sense
15:15
to
15:16
pay
15:16
for
15:17
a
15:17
PR
15:17
person.
15:18
And
15:18
I'm
15:18
not
15:18
saying
15:18
PR
15:19
people
15:19
don't
15:19
deserve
15:20
the
15:20
money
15:20
that
15:21
they
15:21
get
15:21
from
15:21
authors,
15:22
but
15:22
when
15:23
you're
15:23
self
15:23
publishing
15:24
and
15:24
you're
15:24
putting
15:24
the
15:25
money
15:25
in
15:25
yourself,
15:25
you
15:26
have
15:26
to
15:27
choose
15:27
where
15:27
you're
15:28
going
15:28
to
15:28
spend
15:28
it.
15:28
But
15:29
I
15:29
did
15:29
interview
15:30
people
15:30
and
15:30
I
15:30
did
15:30
get
15:31
a
15:32
lot
15:32
of
15:32
knowledge.
15:33
And
15:34
then
15:35
I
15:35
also
15:35
did
15:35
a
15:35
ton
15:36
of
15:36
research
15:36
online.
15:37
One
15:37
of
15:37
the
15:37
things
15:38
that
15:38
I
15:38
did
15:40
was
15:41
I
15:41
started
15:42
emailing
15:43
and
15:44
doing
15:44
my
15:44
marketing
15:45
campaign
15:45
myself
15:46
early.
15:47
And
15:48
I
15:48
didn't
15:48
even
15:48
do
15:48
it
15:48
early
15:49
enough
15:49
to
15:49
be
15:49
honest
15:49
with
15:50
you.
15:50
They
15:50
say
15:50
you
15:50
should.
15:50
So
15:50
when
15:51
you
15:51
say
15:51
early,
15:51
what
15:52
phase
15:52
were
15:52
you
15:52
in
15:53
terms
15:53
of
15:53
your
15:53
book?
15:54
So
15:54
my
15:55
book,
15:55
the
15:55
minute
15:56
I
15:56
had
15:56
a
15:56
PDF
15:57
of
15:57
it,
15:57
which
15:57
was
15:58
July,
15:59
I
15:59
started
15:59
sending
16:00
it
16:00
to
16:00
people
16:00
and
16:01
asking
16:01
them
16:02
to
16:03
either
16:03
do
16:03
a
16:03
brand
16:04
partnership.
16:05
I
16:06
mean,
16:06
I
16:06
wrote
16:06
everyone.
16:06
I
16:07
wrote
16:07
Target,
16:07
I
16:07
wrote
16:08
Walmart,
16:08
I
16:08
wrote
16:09
everyone.
16:10
I
16:10
wrote
16:10
the
16:10
little
16:11
companies
16:11
that
16:11
you
16:11
don't
16:12
really
16:12
know
16:13
about
16:13
that
16:13
have
16:14
like
16:14
bank
16:14
products,
16:15
Lovery,
16:16
like
16:16
all
16:16
those
16:16
places.
16:17
And
16:17
then
16:18
I
16:18
wrote
16:18
a
16:18
ton
16:19
of
16:19
newspapers
16:20
and
16:22
some
16:22
people
16:22
got
16:23
back
16:23
to
16:23
me
16:24
and
16:24
some
16:24
people
16:24
didn't.
16:25
I
16:25
emailed
16:26
celebrities
16:26
and
16:26
these
16:27
aren't
16:27
even
16:27
people
16:27
I
16:27
know.
16:28
I
16:28
just
16:29
got
16:29
an
16:29
email
16:30
of
16:30
their
16:30
assistant
16:30
or
16:31
somebody
16:31
and
16:31
said,
16:31
hey,
16:32
any
16:32
chance
16:32
they
16:32
get
16:33
me
16:33
a
16:33
shout
16:33
out
16:33
and
16:34
all
16:34
of
16:34
that.
16:35
And
16:35
then
16:35
I
16:36
did
16:36
the
16:36
same
16:36
thing
16:36
with
16:36
like
16:37
my
16:37
contact
16:38
list
16:38
and
16:39
Instagram
16:40
and
16:40
TikTok
16:41
and
16:41
Facebook
16:42
and
16:42
all
16:42
of
16:42
those
16:43
things.
16:43
A
16:43
lot
16:43
of
16:44
people
16:44
in
16:45
my
16:45
business
16:46
that
16:46
bought
16:46
the
16:46
book
16:47
know
16:48
that
16:48
book
16:49
reviews
16:49
are
16:49
important.
16:50
So
16:50
I
16:50
got
16:50
a
16:50
lot
16:51
of
16:51
people
16:51
that
16:51
just
16:51
did
16:51
it
16:52
naturally.
16:52
And
16:52
then
16:52
I
16:53
also
16:53
just
16:53
hustled
16:53
for
16:54
it.
16:54
So
16:54
maybe
16:54
that's
16:55
why
16:55
I've
16:55
gotten
16:56
40.
16:56
I
16:57
feel
16:57
like
16:57
40
16:57
is
16:57
low.
16:58
I'm
16:58
like,
16:58
I
16:58
need
16:59
more.
16:59
But
16:59
it's
17:00
interesting
17:00
should
17:01
say
17:01
that
17:01
because
17:01
I
17:02
always
17:02
ask
17:02
people
17:03
that
17:03
question.
17:04
I
17:04
recently
17:05
had
17:05
a
17:05
guest
17:05
on
17:05
episode
17:06
48.
17:07
Her
17:07
name
17:07
is
17:07
Lori
17:08
Orlinski
17:09
and
17:09
she's
17:09
out
17:10
of
17:10
Chicago
17:10
and
17:11
she
17:11
works
17:11
for
17:12
Yorkshire
17:12
Publishing.
17:13
And
17:14
she's
17:14
also
17:14
a
17:14
children's
17:15
book
17:15
author.
17:16
She
17:16
has
17:16
four
17:16
or
17:16
five
17:17
children's
17:18
books.
17:18
And
17:19
I
17:19
said
17:20
to
17:20
her,
17:20
when
17:21
did
17:21
you
17:21
start
17:22
noticing
17:22
that
17:23
you
17:23
had
17:24
more
17:24
traction
17:25
from
17:26
the
17:26
reviews?
17:27
Because
17:27
it
17:28
seemed
17:28
to
17:28
me
17:28
she
17:28
could
17:29
probably
17:29
give
17:29
us
17:30
a
17:30
number.
17:30
And
17:31
she
17:31
said,
17:31
rick,
17:32
I
17:32
started
17:32
noticing
17:33
when
17:33
I
17:34
hit
17:34
around
17:34
50
17:35
five
17:36
star
17:36
reviews
17:37
on
17:38
Amazon.
17:38
That's
17:39
when
17:39
I
17:39
noticed
17:39
I
17:39
started
17:40
getting
17:40
some
17:40
traction.
17:41
I've
17:41
been
17:42
trying
17:42
to
17:42
share
17:42
that
17:42
whenever
17:43
I
17:43
get
17:43
a
17:44
chance
17:44
so
17:44
that
17:45
at
17:45
least
17:45
people
17:45
are.
17:46
Rather
17:46
than
17:46
trying
17:47
to
17:47
guess
17:48
and
17:48
come
17:48
up
17:49
with
17:49
the
17:49
number,
17:50
I
17:50
thought
17:50
I'd
17:50
talk
17:50
to
17:51
someone
17:51
who's
17:51
an
17:52
experienced
17:53
children's
17:53
book
17:53
author
17:54
and
17:54
find
17:54
out.
17:55
Because
17:56
like
17:56
she
17:56
said
17:56
to
17:57
me,
17:57
she
17:57
doesn't
17:57
have
17:58
50
17:59
five
17:59
star
17:59
reviews
18:00
in
18:00
all
18:00
her
18:00
books,
18:01
but
18:01
the
18:01
ones
18:02
that
18:02
she
18:02
does,
18:03
she
18:03
gets
18:04
more
18:04
traction.
18:05
Close.
18:07
I'm
18:07
close.
18:07
I'm
18:08
close.
18:08
Yeah.
18:08
And
18:09
they
18:09
tell
18:09
you
18:09
50
18:11
is
18:11
where
18:11
they
18:12
start
18:12
advertising
18:13
you
18:13
more.
18:13
Like
18:14
a
18:14
lot
18:14
of
18:14
people
18:15
say
18:15
you
18:15
don't
18:16
need
18:16
Amazon
18:16
ads,
18:17
you
18:18
need
18:18
reviews.
18:18
And
18:19
so
18:20
that's
18:20
really.
18:20
But
18:21
if
18:21
you
18:21
look
18:21
at
18:21
some.
18:22
Somebody
18:22
who's
18:23
like
18:23
really
18:23
established,
18:24
like
18:25
Chris
18:25
Van
18:25
dusen,
18:26
he
18:26
has
18:26
2000
18:27
reviews
18:28
or
18:28
however,
18:28
and
18:29
that
18:29
might
18:29
even
18:29
be
18:30
a
18:30
low
18:30
number.
18:30
Yes.
18:31
But
18:31
yeah,
18:32
no,
18:32
for
18:32
self
18:33
publishers,
18:33
it's
18:34
great.
18:34
You
18:34
have
18:34
to
18:34
get
18:35
those
18:35
reviews.
18:35
But
18:35
you
18:35
also.
18:36
Marketing
18:37
is
18:37
such
18:37
a
18:37
big
18:37
thing.
18:38
And
18:38
I
18:38
just
18:38
want
18:39
to
18:40
stay
18:40
on
18:40
this
18:40
for
18:40
one
18:41
quick
18:41
second
18:41
because
18:42
I
18:42
do
18:42
think
18:42
it's
18:42
interesting.
18:43
My
18:44
mother
18:45
published
18:45
a
18:45
children's
18:46
book
18:46
when
18:46
I
18:46
was
18:46
a
18:46
kid.
18:47
And
18:48
her
18:49
illustrator
18:50
was
18:50
Mr.
18:51
Rogers,
18:51
original
18:52
illustrator.
18:53
We
18:53
lived
18:53
in
18:53
Pittsburgh.
18:54
Mr.
18:54
Rogers
18:54
is
18:55
from
18:55
Pittsburgh.
18:55
And
18:56
I
18:57
spoke
18:57
with
18:57
the
18:57
illustrator
18:58
when
18:58
I
18:59
was
18:59
doing
18:59
this
18:59
book.
19:00
And
19:00
she
19:00
said,
19:02
even
19:02
with
19:02
traditional
19:03
publishing,
19:04
you
19:05
have
19:05
to
19:05
market
19:05
your
19:06
own
19:06
book.
19:07
So
19:07
even
19:07
if
19:07
you
19:07
have
19:08
one
19:08
of
19:08
the
19:08
big
19:08
five,
19:09
they'll
19:09
get
19:10
the
19:10
book
19:10
made.
19:11
But
19:11
you
19:12
really
19:12
are
19:12
the
19:12
one
19:12
that
19:13
has
19:13
to
19:13
do
19:14
the
19:14
marketing.
19:14
And
19:15
my
19:15
mother,
19:16
I
19:16
remember
19:16
going
19:17
to
19:17
a
19:17
book
19:17
signing
19:18
with
19:18
her
19:19
and
19:19
just
19:20
assume
19:20
because
19:21
we
19:21
were
19:21
at
19:22
this
19:22
bookstore
19:22
in
19:23
Pittsburgh
19:24
that
19:24
this
19:24
was
19:25
something
19:25
her
19:25
publisher
19:26
set
19:26
up.
19:26
And
19:27
she
19:27
said,
19:27
oh,
19:27
no,
19:28
we
19:29
did
19:29
it
19:29
ourselves.
19:29
We
19:30
were
19:30
school
19:30
teachers
19:31
and
19:31
we
19:31
invited
19:31
the
19:32
entire
19:32
school
19:32
district
19:33
and
19:33
that's
19:33
how
19:33
we
19:33
were
19:33
even
19:34
able
19:34
to
19:34
get
19:35
our
19:35
book.
19:35
So
19:36
really,
19:36
people
19:37
that
19:37
they're
19:37
gonna
19:38
self
19:38
publish,
19:39
you
19:39
put
19:39
your
19:39
book
19:39
up
19:40
and.
19:40
But
19:41
then
19:41
you've
19:41
gotta
19:41
be
19:41
the
19:42
one
19:42
Pushing
19:43
it,
19:43
that's
19:43
really
19:44
big
19:44
thing.
19:45
Absolutely.
19:46
I'm
19:46
glad
19:46
you
19:46
mentioned
19:47
that
19:47
because
19:47
I
19:47
want
19:47
to
19:48
talk
19:48
a
19:48
little
19:48
bit
19:48
about
19:49
publishing
19:50
and
19:50
it's
19:50
interesting.
19:51
And
19:51
when
19:52
I
19:52
talk
19:52
about
19:52
publishing,
19:53
one
19:53
thing
19:53
I
19:53
found
19:54
is
19:54
I
19:54
always
19:54
thought
19:54
I
19:55
was
19:55
self
19:55
published
19:56
because
19:57
I
19:57
did
19:57
the
19:58
same
19:58
as
19:58
you.
19:58
I
19:59
set
19:59
up
19:59
our
19:59
own
20:00
publishing
20:00
company
20:01
and
20:02
away
20:02
we
20:02
went.
20:03
And
20:03
I
20:03
went
20:03
through
20:04
the
20:04
trials
20:04
and
20:04
tribulations
20:05
just
20:05
like
20:05
you
20:06
did.
20:06
But
20:06
then
20:07
I
20:07
found
20:07
out,
20:07
oh,
20:09
I
20:09
was
20:09
actually
20:09
an
20:10
indy
20:11
book
20:12
publisher
20:13
and
20:13
not
20:14
a
20:14
self
20:14
publisher.
20:15
And
20:15
you
20:15
say,
20:16
what's
20:16
the
20:16
difference?
20:16
Self
20:17
publishing
20:17
tends
20:18
to
20:18
use
20:18
a
20:18
hybrid
20:19
publisher,
20:20
so
20:20
they
20:20
use
20:20
a
20:20
third
20:21
party
20:22
to
20:22
help
20:22
them
20:23
bring
20:23
their
20:23
book
20:23
to
20:24
market.
20:24
I've
20:24
been
20:25
trying
20:25
to
20:26
keep
20:26
it
20:26
separate.
20:27
Just
20:27
for
20:29
anyone
20:29
who's
20:30
aspiring
20:30
book
20:30
author
20:31
is
20:32
that
20:33
being
20:33
truly
20:34
an
20:34
independent
20:35
book
20:35
author
20:36
means
20:36
that
20:36
you're
20:36
the
20:37
publisher.
20:38
Self
20:38
publishing,
20:38
from
20:39
what
20:39
I've
20:39
seen,
20:39
generally
20:40
means
20:40
that
20:40
you
20:41
have,
20:41
you've
20:42
hired
20:42
a
20:42
third
20:42
party
20:43
company
20:44
to
20:44
do
20:44
your
20:44
book
20:45
and
20:45
then
20:45
as
20:46
you
20:46
mentioned
20:46
earlier,
20:47
having
20:48
it
20:48
traditionally
20:48
published,
20:49
where
20:49
there's
20:49
a
20:50
publisher
20:50
that
20:50
takes
20:51
virtually
20:51
all
20:52
your
20:52
rights,
20:52
but
20:53
you
20:53
still
20:53
have
20:53
to
20:54
do
20:54
all
20:54
the
20:54
work
20:55
to
20:55
hustle
20:55
your
20:55
own
20:56
book,
20:56
which
20:57
is
20:57
quite
20:57
interesting.
20:58
So
20:59
let's
20:59
talk
20:59
about.
21:00
And
21:00
I
21:00
loved
21:00
it
21:00
because
21:01
I,
21:01
I
21:01
noticed
21:02
your,
21:02
the
21:02
name
21:03
of
21:03
your
21:03
dog
21:03
is
21:03
Potato.
21:05
So
21:05
first
21:05
of
21:05
all,
21:06
I
21:06
love
21:06
that.
21:06
That's
21:07
a
21:07
great
21:07
name
21:07
for
21:07
a
21:08
dog.
21:08
I've
21:09
never
21:09
heard
21:09
a
21:10
dog
21:10
named
21:10
after
21:11
a
21:11
vegetable
21:11
before
21:12
but.
21:13
Or
21:13
is
21:14
a
21:14
potato
21:14
a
21:14
vegetable?
21:15
I
21:15
don't
21:15
know.
21:16
So
21:17
anyways,
21:17
we
21:17
can
21:17
debate
21:18
that.
21:18
Absolutely.
21:19
I
21:19
noticed
21:20
you
21:20
call
21:20
yours
21:21
Roaring
21:22
Potato
21:23
Press.
21:24
Tell
21:24
us
21:24
about
21:25
who
21:25
is
21:25
Roaring
21:26
Potato
21:26
Press.
21:27
And
21:27
how
21:27
did
21:27
you
21:28
come
21:28
up
21:28
with
21:28
the
21:28
whole
21:29
idea
21:29
that
21:29
you
21:29
had
21:30
to
21:30
be
21:31
an
21:31
independent
21:32
children's
21:32
book
21:33
author?
21:34
I
21:35
hired
21:35
a
21:35
book
21:35
designer
21:37
when
21:37
I
21:38
did
21:38
this
21:38
book.
21:39
And
21:40
that's
21:40
another
21:42
thing
21:42
where
21:43
another
21:43
learning
21:44
experience
21:44
that
21:44
I
21:45
had
21:45
because
21:45
I
21:46
had
21:46
another
21:47
children's
21:47
book
21:47
that
21:48
I
21:48
was
21:48
working
21:48
on
21:49
and
21:49
I
21:49
worked
21:49
with
21:50
this
21:50
editor
21:51
to
21:52
help
21:52
me
21:53
fine
21:53
tune
21:53
it.
21:54
And
21:54
she
21:55
said
21:56
you
21:56
need
21:56
to
21:56
have
21:57
a
21:57
really
21:57
good
21:58
book
21:58
designer.
21:58
That
21:58
was
21:59
the
21:59
one
21:59
piece
21:59
of
22:00
information
22:00
she
22:00
gave
22:01
me.
22:02
And
22:02
I
22:02
didn't
22:02
really
22:03
understand
22:03
the
22:03
importance
22:03
of
22:04
it
22:04
because
22:04
I
22:04
thought
22:04
the
22:04
illustrations
22:05
were
22:05
the
22:05
most
22:05
important
22:06
thing.
22:06
But
22:06
the
22:07
book
22:07
designer
22:08
was
22:08
the
22:08
one
22:08
that
22:09
puts
22:09
it
22:09
all
22:10
together
22:10
and
22:10
makes
22:10
the
22:11
template.
22:11
And
22:11
the
22:11
template
22:12
is
22:12
so
22:12
much
22:13
more
22:13
important
22:13
than
22:14
you
22:14
gotta
22:14
get
22:14
the
22:15
illustrator
22:15
and
22:15
have
22:15
a
22:16
great
22:16
illustrator,
22:16
but
22:16
you
22:16
need
22:17
the
22:17
template
22:17
first.
22:18
Correct.
22:18
And
22:19
that
22:19
was
22:19
a
22:20
big
22:20
learning
22:20
thing
22:20
for
22:20
me.
22:21
Cause
22:21
I
22:21
actually
22:21
did
22:21
hire
22:22
an
22:22
illustrator
22:23
first
22:23
and
22:23
he
22:24
was
22:24
working
22:24
on
22:25
it
22:25
and
22:25
it,
22:26
I
22:26
learned
22:27
the
22:27
error
22:27
of
22:27
my
22:28
ways
22:28
and
22:29
it
22:29
was
22:29
a
22:29
little
22:30
bit
22:30
of
22:30
a
22:30
costly
22:31
Error.
22:31
And
22:31
also
22:32
time
22:32
timely.
22:33
But
22:34
I
22:34
found
22:35
a
22:35
great
22:36
book
22:36
designer.
22:37
Formatted
22:38
the
22:38
book
22:38
also.
22:39
Right.
22:39
She
22:39
formatted
22:40
it.
22:40
She
22:40
did
22:40
everything.
22:42
And
22:42
she
22:43
just
22:44
would
22:44
say
22:44
to
22:44
me,
22:45
do
22:46
you
22:46
have
22:46
the
22:46
Library
22:47
of
22:47
Congress
22:47
number?
22:48
Yeah.
22:48
The
22:48
copyright.
22:49
What
22:49
size
22:50
do
22:50
you
22:50
want
22:50
to
22:50
be
22:50
in
22:51
it?
22:51
Yeah,
22:52
all
22:52
of
22:52
it.
22:52
So
22:53
it
22:54
was
22:54
her
22:55
that
22:55
said,
22:55
what's
22:55
your
22:56
imprint?
22:57
And
22:57
that's
22:58
when
22:58
I
22:58
was
22:58
like,
22:58
oh.
22:59
So
23:00
I
23:00
did
23:00
a
23:00
research
23:00
on
23:01
that
23:02
and
23:03
I
23:03
came
23:04
up
23:04
with
23:04
Roaring
23:05
Potato
23:05
Press.
23:06
As
23:06
you
23:06
said,
23:06
that's
23:07
my
23:07
dog's
23:07
name.
23:08
I
23:08
would
23:08
say
23:08
by
23:08
the
23:09
end
23:09
of
23:09
the
23:09
process,
23:10
that
23:11
probably
23:11
was
23:11
the
23:11
thing
23:12
that
23:12
made
23:12
me
23:12
happiest
23:13
more
23:13
than
23:13
anything
23:14
else.
23:14
Just
23:14
because
23:15
I
23:16
loved
23:16
being
23:16
able
23:17
to
23:18
give
23:19
him
23:20
for
23:20
the
23:20
rest
23:20
of
23:20
his
23:20
life,
23:21
he
23:21
will
23:21
be
23:22
on
23:22
a
23:22
book
23:23
whether
23:23
I
23:23
end
23:24
up
23:24
doing
23:24
more
23:25
or
23:25
not.
23:25
I
23:25
just.
23:26
I
23:26
love
23:26
being
23:26
able
23:27
to
23:27
give
23:27
that
23:27
to
23:27
my
23:28
dog,
23:28
who's
23:28
12.
23:29
That's
23:29
so
23:29
cool.
23:30
I
23:30
love
23:30
it.
23:30
Yeah.
23:31
And
23:31
it
23:31
has
23:31
a
23:32
very.
23:32
I
23:33
really
23:33
went
23:33
for
23:33
a
23:33
very
23:34
kid
23:35
like
23:36
name
23:36
and.
23:36
Yeah.
23:37
Cause
23:37
the
23:37
name
23:37
of
23:38
our
23:38
first
23:38
book
23:39
is
23:39
called
23:39
the
23:39
Adventures
23:40
of
23:40
Caboose
23:40
the
23:41
Rocky
23:41
Mountain
23:41
Bear.
23:42
And
23:43
then
23:43
what
23:43
I
23:43
did
23:43
is
23:44
we
23:44
named
23:45
our
23:45
publishing
23:45
company
23:46
Caboose
23:47
the
23:47
Rocky
23:47
Mountain
23:48
Bear
23:48
Publishing
23:49
Den.
23:50
So
23:51
I
23:51
love
23:51
it.
23:51
Yeah,
23:52
we
23:52
can
23:52
all
23:52
have
23:52
fun.
23:53
And
23:54
so
23:54
I
23:54
just
23:54
love
23:55
the
23:55
name
23:55
that
23:55
you
23:55
use.
23:56
It's
23:56
terrific.
23:58
And
23:59
I'm
23:59
curious
24:00
now
24:00
that
24:00
we
24:01
know
24:01
that
24:01
you
24:01
did
24:02
all
24:02
three
24:03
formats,
24:04
which
24:04
is
24:04
fantastic.
24:06
When
24:06
it
24:06
came
24:06
to
24:07
the
24:07
hardcover,
24:07
I
24:08
know
24:08
you're
24:08
using
24:08
IngramSpark.
24:10
Did
24:10
you
24:10
look
24:10
at
24:11
maybe
24:11
doing
24:11
your
24:12
hardcover
24:13
printing
24:14
offshore
24:15
or
24:15
anything
24:16
and
24:16
purchasing
24:16
multiple
24:17
copies?
24:18
Or
24:18
how
24:18
are
24:18
you
24:18
handling
24:19
your
24:19
hard
24:19
copy
24:20
when
24:20
you
24:21
go
24:21
to
24:21
sell
24:21
it
24:21
at.
24:22
I'm
24:22
not
24:22
sure
24:22
if
24:23
you've
24:23
done
24:23
a
24:23
book
24:23
events
24:24
yet
24:24
where
24:24
you've
24:25
actually
24:25
taken
24:26
your
24:26
paperback
24:27
and
24:27
your
24:27
hardcover
24:28
and
24:28
sold
24:29
them.
24:29
So
24:29
tell
24:29
us
24:30
about
24:30
that.
24:31
Yeah,
24:31
I've
24:31
done
24:31
it
24:32
twice
24:32
thus
24:33
far.
24:33
I
24:33
research,
24:35
but
24:35
I
24:35
went
24:35
with
24:35
Ingram
24:37
because
24:37
I
24:37
wanted
24:37
to
24:37
get
24:37
into
24:38
libraries
24:38
and
24:39
I
24:39
wanted
24:39
to
24:39
get.
24:40
Have
24:40
a
24:40
really
24:40
big
24:41
reach.
24:41
And
24:41
that
24:41
was
24:42
mainly
24:43
and
24:43
bookstores.
24:44
When
24:45
you
24:45
go
24:45
to
24:46
Barnes
24:47
and
24:47
Noble,
24:47
for
24:48
example,
24:48
and
24:49
say,
24:49
look,
24:50
I'm
24:50
an
24:50
indie
24:51
author.
24:52
I
24:52
have
24:52
a
24:53
book.
24:53
Here's
24:53
my
24:54
ISBN
24:54
and
24:54
everything
24:55
like
24:55
that,
24:56
the
24:56
first
24:56
thing
24:57
they'll
24:57
ask
24:57
you
24:57
is,
24:57
are
24:58
you
24:58
on
24:58
Amazon?
24:59
And
25:00
you're
25:00
like,
25:00
no,
25:00
I'm
25:00
on
25:00
IngramSpark.
25:01
And
25:01
they're
25:01
like,
25:02
okay,
25:02
then
25:02
we
25:02
can
25:02
order
25:02
your
25:03
book.
25:04
So
25:04
you're
25:04
not
25:04
going
25:05
to
25:05
get
25:05
your
25:05
book
25:06
into
25:07
libraries
25:08
and
25:08
bookstores
25:09
when
25:09
you
25:09
do
25:10
it
25:10
through
25:11
Amazon.
25:12
I
25:12
don't
25:13
know
25:13
about
25:13
other
25:14
services.
25:15
I
25:15
just
25:15
know
25:16
that
25:16
Ingram
25:16
gets
25:17
you
25:17
on
25:17
Baker,
25:19
it
25:19
gets
25:19
you
25:19
on
25:20
Bookstop,
25:21
dot
25:22
Org,
25:22
I
25:22
think
25:22
it's
25:23
called.
25:23
And
25:23
these
25:23
are
25:23
all
25:24
places
25:24
that
25:26
the
25:26
bookstores
25:27
and
25:27
the
25:27
libraries
25:28
order
25:28
from.
25:28
So
25:28
it's
25:29
really.
25:29
That
25:29
was
25:30
really
25:30
why
25:30
I
25:30
need
25:31
that
25:31
decision.
25:31
Okay.
25:32
Yeah.
25:33
It's
25:33
just
25:33
for
25:33
wider
25:34
distribution.
25:35
Wider
25:36
distribution?
25:36
Yeah.
25:37
A
25:37
hundred
25:37
percent.
25:37
Yeah.
25:38
And
25:38
it's
25:39
interesting
25:39
too,
25:39
because
25:40
it
25:40
varies.
25:41
We're
25:42
in.
25:42
In
25:42
different
25:43
bookstores
25:44
and
25:44
what
25:45
we
25:45
found
25:45
is
25:47
we've
25:47
only
25:47
had
25:48
this
25:48
happen
25:48
to
25:48
us
25:48
once.
25:49
We
25:49
had
25:49
a
25:49
independent
25:50
bookstore
25:51
who
25:51
actually
25:51
puts
25:52
right
25:52
on
25:52
their
25:52
website.
25:53
If
25:53
you're
25:54
on
25:54
Amazon,
25:55
we
25:56
will
25:56
not
25:56
take
25:57
your
25:57
book
25:57
into
25:57
consideration.
25:59
And
25:59
so
26:00
that's
26:00
quite
26:00
interesting.
26:01
But
26:01
you
26:01
know
26:01
that
26:02
it's
26:02
their
26:02
business
26:03
and
26:03
they,
26:04
they're
26:04
the
26:04
gatekeepers.
26:05
But
26:05
on,
26:05
for
26:06
the
26:06
most
26:06
part,
26:06
what.
26:06
I
26:07
forgot
26:07
to
26:07
mention
26:08
is
26:09
IngramSpark
26:10
Baker,
26:11
they
26:11
all
26:11
offer
26:12
wholesale.
26:14
So
26:14
that's
26:15
what
26:15
it
26:15
is.
26:15
It's
26:15
wholesale
26:16
and
26:16
buyback,
26:17
like
26:18
return.
26:19
So
26:19
bookstores,
26:22
all
26:22
of
26:22
them,
26:23
want
26:23
to
26:23
be
26:23
able
26:23
to
26:23
return
26:24
the
26:24
book
26:24
if
26:24
it
26:24
doesn't
26:25
do
26:25
well.
26:26
And
26:26
publishers,
26:27
big
26:27
publishers,
26:28
they
26:28
let
26:28
them
26:29
return
26:29
the
26:29
book.
26:30
And
26:30
the
26:30
same
26:31
thing
26:31
is
26:32
with
26:32
Ingram,
26:33
you
26:33
get
26:33
a
26:33
wholesale
26:33
price.
26:34
So
26:34
if
26:34
you're
26:34
going
26:34
to
26:35
sell
26:35
to,
26:37
let's
26:37
say
26:37
I
26:37
have
26:38
a
26:38
couple
26:38
books
26:38
at
26:38
a
26:39
place
26:39
called
26:39
Skylight
26:39
Books
26:40
in
26:40
Los
26:40
Feliz.
26:40
If
26:41
you're
26:41
going
26:41
to
26:41
sell
26:41
to
26:42
them,
26:42
they
26:43
want
26:43
the
26:43
wholesale
26:44
price.
26:45
You
26:45
have
26:45
to
26:45
be
26:45
able
26:45
to
26:45
offer
26:46
that
26:46
to
26:46
them.
26:46
And
26:46
that's
26:47
really
26:47
what
26:47
it
26:47
is.
26:47
I.
26:48
It's
26:48
not
26:49
so
26:49
much
26:49
that
26:49
they
26:50
are
26:50
turning
26:51
their
26:51
nose
26:51
up
26:52
to
26:52
a
26:52
book
26:52
that's
26:52
only
26:53
on
26:53
Amazon.
26:54
It's
26:54
that
26:54
they
26:54
can't
26:55
justify
26:56
it
26:56
with
26:56
their.
26:57
With
26:57
what
26:58
they're.
26:58
What
26:58
they're.
26:59
Versus.
26:59
Yeah.
27:00
Yeah.
27:00
So
27:01
for
27:01
sure.
27:02
Okay.
27:03
So
27:03
you
27:03
haven't
27:04
printed
27:04
any
27:04
large
27:05
copies
27:06
through
27:06
an
27:07
offset
27:07
print
27:08
printing
27:08
or
27:09
anything
27:09
like
27:09
that?
27:10
No.
27:11
Okay,
27:11
I
27:12
know.
27:12
I
27:12
just,
27:12
I
27:13
just
27:13
like
27:13
to
27:13
ask
27:14
that
27:14
question
27:14
because
27:14
I,
27:15
I
27:15
had
27:15
a
27:16
gal
27:16
out
27:16
of
27:16
Oklahoma
27:17
and
27:18
she
27:18
was
27:19
instrumental.
27:19
If
27:20
you
27:20
look
27:20
in
27:20
the
27:21
background
27:22
now,
27:23
we
27:24
had
27:24
a
27:25
plush
27:25
made
27:27
of
27:27
our
27:27
caboose
27:28
character.
27:29
So
27:29
cute.
27:30
Thank
27:30
you.
27:31
When
27:31
I
27:31
was
27:31
talking
27:32
to
27:32
the
27:32
guest
27:33
about
27:33
her
27:34
printing,
27:34
she
27:35
had
27:35
a
27:35
hardcover.
27:36
And
27:36
I
27:37
said
27:37
to
27:37
her,
27:37
where
27:38
did
27:38
you
27:38
get
27:38
your
27:38
hardcover?
27:39
And
27:39
she
27:39
said,
27:39
I
27:40
actually
27:40
went
27:40
to
27:40
a
27:40
website
27:41
called
27:42
madeinchina.com
27:44
and
27:44
I
27:45
researched
27:45
it
27:46
and
27:46
found
27:46
a
27:46
couple
27:46
of
27:47
different
27:47
printers.
27:47
And
27:48
then
27:49
I
27:49
got
27:50
them
27:50
to
27:50
send
27:50
me
27:50
samples
27:51
and
27:51
I
27:52
decided
27:52
on
27:52
one.
27:53
And
27:53
she
27:53
said,
27:54
and
27:54
then
27:54
I
27:55
ordered,
27:55
I
27:56
ordered
27:56
my
27:56
copies
27:57
from
27:57
China
27:57
and
27:57
I
27:58
said,
27:58
oh.
27:58
I
27:58
said,
27:59
what
27:59
about
27:59
the
27:59
quality?
28:00
She
28:00
said,
28:00
when
28:01
I
28:01
got
28:01
them,
28:01
the
28:01
quality
28:02
was
28:02
fantastic
28:03
and
28:03
the
28:03
pricing
28:04
was
28:04
beyond
28:05
anything
28:05
I
28:06
ever
28:06
thought
28:06
was
28:07
possible.
28:07
Wow.
28:08
And
28:08
she,
28:08
I
28:08
think
28:09
she
28:09
told
28:09
me
28:09
she
28:10
ordered
28:10
Four
28:11
or
28:11
five
28:11
hundred
28:11
copies.
28:12
And
28:12
that.
28:13
That.
28:13
Yeah.
28:14
So
28:14
there's
28:15
amazing.
28:15
I
28:15
would
28:15
check
28:16
that
28:16
out
28:16
for
28:16
sure.
28:16
Just
28:17
because
28:17
on
28:17
Ingram
28:18
I
28:18
get
28:18
a
28:19
discount
28:19
and
28:20
it's
28:20
just
28:20
a
28:20
fairly,
28:21
like,
28:21
substantial
28:22
discount.
28:23
Same
28:24
thing
28:24
with
28:24
Amazon
28:24
and
28:25
the
28:25
paperback.
28:27
The
28:27
only
28:27
thing
28:27
is
28:27
the
28:27
shipping
28:28
is
28:29
so
28:29
expensive
28:30
and
28:31
unless
28:31
you
28:31
do
28:31
a
28:32
rush,
28:33
you're
28:33
waiting
28:33
a
28:33
really
28:34
long
28:34
time
28:34
to
28:35
get.
28:36
I
28:36
think
28:36
I
28:36
did
28:37
40
28:37
or
28:37
50
28:38
copies
28:38
at
28:38
one
28:39
point,
28:39
and
28:39
that
28:40
was
28:40
that
28:40
hard.
28:41
Talking
28:41
through
28:42
Ingram,
28:43
that's
28:43
the
28:43
difficulty
28:44
is,
28:44
like
28:44
you
28:45
said,
28:45
the
28:45
cost
28:45
of
28:45
freight
28:46
to
28:46
get
28:46
them
28:47
to
28:47
yourself.
28:47
So
28:48
you
28:48
get
28:48
a
28:48
pretty
28:48
good
28:48
price
28:49
on
28:49
the
28:49
printing
28:50
side
28:50
of
28:50
it.
28:51
But
28:51
then
28:51
when
28:51
the.
28:52
When
28:52
you
28:52
have
28:52
to
28:52
add
28:53
in
28:53
the
28:54
price
28:54
per
28:54
book
28:55
on
28:55
getting
28:55
it
28:56
shipped
28:56
to
28:56
you,
28:57
that
28:57
takes
28:57
the
28:57
price
28:58
up
28:58
even
28:58
further.
28:59
Yeah.
28:59
And
28:59
it
29:00
makes
29:00
sense.
29:00
The
29:01
what's
29:01
nice,
29:02
though,
29:02
that
29:02
I
29:02
learned,
29:03
I
29:03
gave.
29:03
Did
29:04
a
29:04
Goodreads
29:04
giveaway
29:05
and
29:06
I
29:06
gave
29:07
away
29:08
paperback
29:08
copies
29:09
of
29:09
my
29:09
book,
29:09
like
29:10
10.
29:10
Okay.
29:12
I
29:12
was
29:12
able.
29:13
I
29:13
went
29:13
to
29:14
like,
29:14
UPS
29:15
send
29:15
them
29:16
and
29:16
I
29:17
was
29:17
able
29:17
to
29:18
get.
29:19
I
29:19
spent
29:20
$16,
29:21
let's
29:21
say,
29:22
per
29:22
book
29:23
or
29:23
something.
29:24
Thought,
29:25
oh,
29:25
let
29:25
me
29:25
go
29:25
to
29:25
the
29:25
post
29:26
office
29:26
and
29:26
see
29:26
what
29:27
that's
29:27
about.
29:27
And
29:27
I
29:27
went
29:28
to
29:28
the
29:28
post
29:28
office
29:28
and
29:28
they
29:28
actually
29:29
have
29:29
the
29:29
book
29:29
rate.
29:30
So
29:30
it
29:30
only
29:30
cost
29:31
me
29:31
like
29:31
$4
29:31
to
29:32
send
29:32
the
29:32
book.
29:32
So
29:32
from
29:32
that
29:33
point
29:33
on,
29:33
I
29:33
started
29:33
doing
29:34
it
29:34
that
29:34
way.
29:35
But,
29:35
yeah,
29:35
you
29:36
gotta.
29:36
You
29:36
gotta
29:36
find
29:36
your
29:36
bargains
29:37
where
29:37
you
29:37
can
29:38
because
29:38
you
29:38
don't
29:39
want
29:39
to.
29:40
As
29:40
an
29:40
indie
29:41
publisher,
29:42
the
29:42
nice
29:43
thing
29:43
about
29:43
being
29:43
able
29:44
to
29:44
do
29:44
it
29:44
on
29:44
your
29:45
own
29:45
is
29:45
you're
29:45
not
29:45
waiting
29:46
for
29:46
anybody.
29:46
Traditional
29:47
publishing
29:47
takes
29:48
forever.
29:48
Right.
29:49
And
29:50
you
29:50
have
29:50
total
29:51
control
29:51
and
29:51
you
29:52
get
29:52
much
29:52
higher
29:52
percentage
29:53
in
29:53
royalties.
29:54
But
29:54
it's
29:55
such
29:55
an
29:55
expensive
29:56
endeavor
29:57
if
29:57
you
29:57
want
29:57
it
29:58
to
29:58
remotely,
29:59
you
29:59
know,
30:00
rise
30:00
above
30:01
the
30:01
ashes.
30:01
So
30:02
you
30:02
just
30:03
want
30:03
to
30:03
be
30:03
careful
30:03
where
30:04
you're
30:04
spending
30:05
your
30:05
money.
30:05
That's
30:06
all.
30:06
I
30:06
would
30:06
say.
30:07
I
30:07
couldn't
30:07
agree
30:07
with
30:08
you
30:08
more.
30:08
Absolutely.
30:10
And
30:10
that's
30:10
the
30:10
beautiful
30:11
thing
30:11
about
30:11
having
30:12
someone
30:12
like
30:13
Amazon
30:14
for
30:15
your
30:15
paperback.
30:16
Because
30:16
it
30:16
was
30:17
interesting.
30:17
I
30:17
had
30:18
a
30:18
guest
30:18
on.
30:19
We
30:20
were
30:20
swapping
30:20
books
30:21
back
30:21
and
30:21
forth
30:22
and
30:22
I
30:22
thought,
30:23
oh,
30:23
my
30:23
goodness,
30:24
I
30:24
couldn't
30:24
believe
30:25
the
30:25
cost
30:25
of
30:25
courier
30:26
just
30:27
to
30:27
get
30:27
someone
30:27
a
30:27
book.
30:28
It
30:28
was
30:28
actually
30:28
cheaper
30:29
for
30:29
me
30:29
to
30:29
buy
30:29
it
30:30
on
30:30
Amazon
30:31
and
30:31
send
30:31
it
30:31
to
30:31
them.
30:31
I
30:32
have
30:32
the
30:32
same
30:33
situation.
30:33
I
30:34
recently
30:35
had
30:35
a
30:35
YouTube.
30:37
I
30:37
don't
30:37
know
30:37
if
30:37
you
30:38
know
30:38
about
30:38
these
30:38
read
30:39
alouds
30:39
where
30:39
they
30:40
have
30:40
people
30:41
have
30:41
YouTube
30:41
channels
30:41
where
30:42
all
30:42
they
30:42
do
30:42
is
30:42
read
30:42
children's
30:43
books.
30:43
And
30:44
so
30:44
one
30:45
of
30:45
them
30:45
offered
30:46
to
30:46
read
30:46
my
30:47
book.
30:47
And
30:48
I
30:49
was
30:49
like,
30:49
it's
30:49
just
30:50
easier
30:50
for
30:50
me
30:50
to
30:51
just
30:51
go
30:51
to
30:51
Amazon
30:51
and
30:52
just
30:52
send
30:52
it
30:52
to
30:52
them
30:52
really.
30:53
Quick
30:53
and
30:53
versus
30:55
so
30:55
before
30:56
we
30:57
move
30:57
on
30:57
from
30:57
that,
30:58
because
30:58
I've
30:58
heard
30:58
of
30:58
these
30:59
read
30:59
alouds,
30:59
but
30:59
I
31:00
didn't
31:00
realize
31:00
was
31:01
it
31:01
a
31:01
person
31:02
was
31:02
looking
31:02
for,
31:02
was
31:03
for
31:03
you
31:03
to
31:03
provide
31:04
them
31:04
with
31:04
a
31:04
copy
31:05
of
31:05
your
31:05
book?
31:07
Yes.
31:07
So
31:08
this
31:08
is
31:08
another
31:09
one
31:09
of
31:09
the
31:09
PR
31:10
things
31:10
that
31:10
was
31:10
recommended
31:11
to
31:11
me
31:12
and
31:12
I
31:13
have
31:14
reached
31:14
out
31:15
along
31:15
with
31:15
doing
31:16
podcasts
31:16
and
31:17
I
31:17
don't
31:17
know
31:17
if
31:17
I
31:17
told
31:17
you
31:18
this
31:18
or
31:18
not,
31:18
but
31:18
you
31:18
were
31:18
one
31:18
of
31:19
the
31:19
top
31:19
10
31:19
that
31:20
was
31:20
recommended.
31:21
Oh,
31:21
thanks.
31:22
To
31:22
reach
31:22
out
31:22
to.
31:23
Yeah.
31:23
I'm
31:23
always
31:23
surprised
31:24
when
31:24
I
31:24
hear
31:24
back
31:24
because
31:25
you
31:25
have
31:25
a
31:26
lot
31:26
of
31:26
people
31:26
that
31:27
probably
31:27
are
31:27
reaching
31:28
out
31:28
to
31:28
you.
31:28
But
31:28
yeah,
31:29
so
31:29
it's
31:29
the
31:29
same
31:29
thing.
31:30
I
31:30
sent
31:30
them
31:31
a
31:32
digital
31:32
PDF
31:33
of
31:33
the
31:33
book.
31:33
I
31:34
told
31:34
them
31:34
a
31:34
little
31:34
bit
31:35
about
31:35
me
31:35
and
31:35
my
31:36
background
31:36
and
31:36
just
31:37
said
31:37
I'd
31:37
love
31:37
for
31:38
you
31:38
to
31:38
read
31:38
it.
31:38
And
31:39
they
31:39
got
31:39
back
31:40
to
31:40
me
31:40
and
31:41
they
31:41
said,
31:42
send
31:42
us
31:42
the
31:42
book.
31:42
And
31:44
in
31:44
August.
31:44
And
31:45
it
31:45
just
31:45
came
31:45
out
31:45
like
31:46
a
31:46
couple
31:47
weeks
31:47
ago.
31:47
So
31:48
there's.
31:49
I
31:49
understand
31:50
why
31:50
they
31:51
say
31:51
you
31:51
want
31:51
to
31:51
do
31:52
a
31:52
PR
31:52
campaign
31:52
like
31:53
stuff
31:53
six
31:53
months
31:53
ahead
31:53
of
31:54
time.
31:54
That
31:54
seemed
31:55
crazy
31:55
to
31:55
me
31:55
because
31:55
I'm
31:56
like,
31:56
who
31:56
wants
31:56
to
31:56
hear
31:56
about
31:56
my
31:57
book
31:57
for
31:57
six
31:57
months
31:57
before
31:58
they.
31:58
They
31:59
do
31:59
anything
31:59
with
31:59
it?
32:00
But
32:01
it's
32:01
interesting
32:02
you
32:02
should
32:02
say
32:02
that
32:03
too
32:03
because
32:03
I
32:04
recently
32:04
had
32:04
a
32:04
guest
32:05
on
32:05
Stanetta
32:06
ANTHONY
32:07
and
32:07
episode
32:08
60
32:08
coming
32:08
up
32:09
shortly.
32:09
But
32:10
she
32:10
wrote
32:10
a
32:10
book
32:10
called
32:11
Ella
32:12
Learns
32:12
to
32:12
Dance
32:13
and
32:13
it's
32:13
about
32:13
a
32:14
dancing
32:14
elephant.
32:15
And
32:16
I
32:17
was
32:17
talking
32:17
to
32:17
her
32:18
about
32:18
her
32:18
website
32:18
and,
32:19
and
32:19
I
32:19
noticed
32:20
she
32:20
had
32:21
read
32:21
aloud
32:21
on
32:22
her
32:22
website.
32:22
And
32:23
I
32:23
said,
32:23
oh,
32:24
tell
32:24
us
32:24
about
32:24
that.
32:25
And
32:25
she
32:25
said,
32:25
yeah,
32:26
she
32:26
said,
32:26
actually
32:27
I
32:27
did
32:28
my
32:28
own
32:28
read
32:28
aloud.
32:29
I
32:29
posted
32:30
it
32:30
on
32:30
my
32:30
website.
32:31
And
32:31
she
32:31
said
32:32
I
32:32
couldn't
32:32
believe
32:32
the
32:33
response
32:33
I
32:34
got
32:34
and
32:34
the
32:35
number
32:35
of
32:35
purchases.
32:36
And
32:36
I
32:36
thought,
32:36
oh
32:37
well,
32:37
because
32:38
I'm
32:38
always
32:38
looking
32:38
to
32:39
share.
32:40
I
32:40
was
32:40
telling
32:40
you
32:41
about
32:41
Lori
32:41
Orlinski
32:42
out
32:42
of
32:42
Chicago,
32:42
and
32:43
she
32:43
was
32:43
the
32:43
one
32:43
that
32:44
turned
32:44
me
32:44
onto
32:44
this
32:45
phrase
32:45
called
32:46
earned
32:46
media,
32:47
where
32:48
it's
32:48
free
32:48
but
32:49
you
32:49
got
32:49
to
32:49
go
32:49
out
32:49
and
32:49
hustle
32:50
it
32:50
like
32:50
you
32:50
are.
32:51
Yeah.
32:51
And
32:52
that's
32:52
in
32:52
essence
32:52
what
32:53
Sonetta
32:54
did
32:54
was
32:54
she
32:54
actually
32:55
created
32:56
her
32:56
own
32:56
little
32:57
earned
32:57
media
32:58
on
32:58
these
32:58
read
32:59
alouds
32:59
on
32:59
her
32:59
website.
33:00
Just
33:00
another
33:01
way
33:01
to
33:02
market
33:02
your
33:02
book.
33:03
And
33:04
yeah,
33:04
it's.
33:04
That's
33:04
highly
33:05
recommended
33:06
as
33:06
well.
33:07
And
33:07
I
33:07
had
33:07
two
33:08
different
33:09
YouTube
33:09
people
33:09
that
33:10
said
33:10
they
33:10
would
33:11
read
33:11
my
33:11
book
33:11
out
33:12
loud.
33:12
So
33:12
I'm
33:12
like,
33:13
I'm
33:13
going
33:13
to
33:13
wait
33:13
until
33:15
they
33:15
do
33:15
it
33:15
because
33:15
I
33:15
know
33:16
they're
33:16
going
33:16
to
33:16
do
33:16
it
33:17
better.
33:18
I
33:18
do
33:18
want
33:18
to
33:19
also
33:19
make
33:19
that's
33:20
a
33:20
great
33:20
idea.
33:21
See
33:21
how
33:21
they
33:21
do
33:21
it
33:22
and
33:22
learn
33:22
a
33:22
little
33:22
bit
33:23
about
33:23
that.
33:23
Terrific.
33:24
Yeah.
33:25
I
33:25
noticed
33:26
your
33:26
illustrator
33:27
has
33:27
one
33:28
name,
33:28
so
33:28
I
33:28
was
33:29
just
33:29
a
33:29
little
33:29
confused.
33:30
Is
33:30
it
33:30
a
33:31
share
33:31
type
33:31
thing
33:32
or
33:32
is
33:33
it
33:33
a.
33:33
Or
33:34
Lady
33:34
Gaga,
33:34
whatever
33:35
you
33:35
want
33:35
to
33:35
say.
33:36
Or
33:36
is
33:37
it
33:37
a
33:37
illustrating
33:38
service
33:38
or
33:39
a
33:39
person?
33:40
It's
33:40
a
33:41
person,
33:41
but
33:42
they
33:42
are
33:42
through
33:42
a
33:42
service
33:43
called
33:43
Indo
33:44
Studios.
33:47
Yeah,
33:48
I.
33:48
I
33:48
asked
33:48
how
33:49
did
33:49
you
33:49
want
33:50
me
33:50
to
33:51
put
33:51
your
33:51
name
33:52
on
33:52
the
33:52
book?
33:52
And
33:53
that's
33:53
what
33:53
he
33:54
wanted.
33:54
He
33:54
just
33:55
goes
33:55
by
33:55
by
33:56
one
33:56
name.
33:57
I
33:57
want
33:57
to
33:57
share
33:58
that
33:58
with
33:58
people
33:58
because
33:58
there's.
33:59
Yeah,
34:00
that's
34:00
the
34:00
second
34:01
time
34:01
I've
34:02
heard
34:02
that
34:02
where
34:03
the
34:03
actual
34:04
person
34:05
wants
34:05
their
34:05
company
34:06
name
34:06
used
34:08
to
34:08
be
34:08
used
34:08
to
34:09
indicate
34:09
that
34:10
they're
34:10
the
34:10
illustrator.
34:11
Okay.
34:11
Yeah,
34:12
perfect.
34:13
So
34:13
your
34:13
website.
34:14
So
34:14
I
34:14
looked
34:14
at
34:15
your
34:15
website
34:16
and
34:16
did
34:16
your
34:17
illustrator
34:18
design
34:19
your
34:19
website
34:19
or
34:20
how
34:20
did
34:20
you
34:20
do
34:20
your
34:21
website?
34:22
Did
34:22
my
34:23
website
34:23
a
34:23
little
34:23
bit
34:24
me
34:24
and
34:24
a
34:24
little
34:24
bit
34:24
my
34:24
brother
34:25
in
34:25
law.
34:25
My
34:25
brother
34:25
in
34:26
law
34:26
is
34:26
a.
34:27
He
34:27
does
34:27
that
34:28
for
34:28
a
34:28
living.
34:30
His
34:30
job
34:30
is
34:30
a
34:30
little.
34:31
He's
34:31
not
34:32
so
34:32
much
34:32
a
34:32
web
34:33
designer.
34:33
He
34:34
works
34:34
with
34:35
different
34:35
companies.
34:36
He
34:36
did
34:36
the
34:37
computers
34:37
for
34:37
Carnival
34:38
Cruises
34:38
and
34:38
all
34:39
those
34:39
kinds
34:40
of
34:40
places.
34:40
He's
34:40
a
34:40
software
34:41
engineer.
34:41
I
34:42
did
34:42
a
34:42
lot
34:42
and
34:43
then
34:43
I
34:44
said,
34:44
can
34:44
you
34:44
help
34:44
me
34:45
with
34:45
it?
34:45
And
34:45
he
34:45
really,
34:45
I
34:46
think
34:46
elevated
34:47
it
34:47
quite
34:47
a
34:48
bit.
34:48
But.
34:48
Right.
34:49
Websites
34:49
is
34:49
one
34:49
of
34:50
the
34:50
big
34:50
things
34:50
that's.
34:51
I
34:51
did
34:51
not
34:51
have
34:52
a
34:52
website
34:52
before
34:52
I
34:53
became
34:53
a
34:53
children's
34:54
book
34:54
author
34:54
as
34:55
a
34:55
TV
34:55
writer.
34:55
It's
34:56
just
34:56
not
34:56
something
34:56
that
34:57
a
34:57
lot
34:57
of
34:58
us
34:59
do
34:59
until
34:59
maybe
35:00
we
35:00
get
35:00
to
35:01
JJ
35:01
Abrams
35:02
level
35:02
kind
35:03
of
35:03
thing.
35:04
And
35:04
then
35:04
you
35:04
have
35:04
a
35:05
one
35:05
person
35:06
that
35:06
does
35:06
it
35:06
for
35:06
a
35:06
living
35:07
doing
35:07
it
35:07
for
35:07
you.
35:08
So
35:08
I
35:08
was
35:08
told
35:08
there's
35:08
one
35:08
of
35:09
the
35:09
things
35:09
I
35:09
needed
35:09
to
35:09
do.
35:09
There
35:10
was
35:10
a
35:10
couple
35:10
different
35:10
formats
35:11
that
35:11
were
35:12
recommended
35:13
and
35:13
I
35:13
think
35:13
one
35:13
was
35:14
square
35:14
and
35:15
square
35:15
one.
35:15
And
35:16
I
35:16
think
35:16
that's
35:16
the
35:16
one
35:16
that
35:16
I
35:17
used.
35:17
Did
35:17
you
35:18
have
35:18
your
35:18
website
35:19
before
35:19
you
35:19
launched
35:20
your
35:20
book
35:20
or
35:20
after
35:21
you
35:21
launched
35:21
your
35:21
book?
35:22
I
35:23
started
35:23
it
35:24
right
35:25
before
35:25
I
35:25
launched.
35:26
The
35:26
minute
35:27
I
35:27
had
35:27
something
35:27
that
35:27
I
35:28
could
35:28
put
35:28
on
35:28
it
35:28
in
35:29
terms
35:29
of.
35:30
I
35:30
think
35:30
I
35:30
got
35:30
it
35:30
set
35:30
up
35:31
and
35:31
did
35:31
like
35:31
a
35:31
TBD
35:32
thing.
35:32
And
35:33
then
35:34
once
35:34
I
35:34
was
35:35
able
35:35
to
35:35
get
35:35
some
35:35
illustrations,
35:37
I
35:37
put
35:37
the
35:37
illustrations
35:38
up
35:38
and
35:39
then
35:39
I
35:40
went
35:40
from
35:40
there.
35:41
It
35:41
was
35:41
first.
35:41
Yeah.
35:42
Like
35:42
I
35:42
said
35:43
to
35:43
you
35:43
before,
35:43
I
35:44
love
35:44
how
35:44
You've
35:44
already
35:45
gotten
35:45
45
35:46
star
35:46
reviews
35:47
with
35:48
Amazon.
35:48
So
35:49
I'm
35:49
curious,
35:49
how
35:49
do
35:50
you
35:50
see
35:51
yourself
35:51
using
35:52
your
35:52
website?
35:53
Because
35:53
like
35:53
you
35:53
said
35:54
prior
35:54
to
35:54
this
35:54
you
35:55
didn't
35:55
have
35:55
a
35:55
website.
35:56
So
35:56
how
35:56
do
35:56
you
35:57
see
35:57
it
35:57
developing
35:58
for
35:58
yourself?
35:59
I
35:59
would
36:00
say
36:01
for
36:02
people
36:02
that
36:03
want
36:03
to
36:03
book
36:04
me
36:04
to
36:04
come
36:04
and
36:04
do
36:05
a
36:05
reading
36:05
at
36:05
their
36:05
school.
36:06
I've
36:06
done
36:06
a
36:06
few
36:07
readings
36:07
at
36:07
schools
36:08
or
36:08
an
36:09
event,
36:09
they
36:09
want
36:10
to
36:10
book
36:10
me
36:10
for
36:10
an
36:10
event.
36:11
I
36:11
also
36:12
offer
36:12
script
36:13
consultation
36:13
on
36:14
that
36:14
because
36:14
as
36:14
I
36:15
said,
36:15
I'm
36:15
a
36:15
writer
36:16
and
36:16
a
36:16
producer
36:17
and.
36:17
And
36:18
then
36:18
also
36:18
there's
36:18
a
36:19
blog
36:19
and
36:19
you
36:19
can
36:19
purchase
36:20
my
36:20
book
36:20
there
36:20
as
36:20
well.
36:21
But
36:21
there's
36:22
also
36:22
a
36:22
blog
36:23
and
36:23
I
36:23
think
36:23
that
36:25
every
36:25
once
36:25
in
36:26
a
36:26
while
36:26
I'll
36:26
write
36:26
a
36:27
little
36:27
something
36:27
just
36:27
either
36:28
about
36:28
being
36:28
a
36:28
mom
36:29
or
36:29
a
36:29
writer.
36:30
Just
36:31
sharing
36:32
my
36:32
inspiration.
36:34
Terrific.
36:34
I'm
36:35
thinking
36:35
about,
36:35
we
36:36
talked
36:36
about
36:37
your
36:37
four
36:37
year
36:37
old
36:38
son.
36:39
I'm
36:40
curious
36:40
about
36:41
the
36:41
motivation
36:42
because.
36:43
And
36:43
the
36:43
reason
36:43
that
36:43
that's
36:44
why
36:44
I
36:44
wanted
36:44
to
36:44
have
36:45
people
36:45
know
36:45
your
36:46
background.
36:46
You're
36:46
not
36:47
doing
36:47
children's
36:47
TV
36:48
shows,
36:48
you're
36:48
writing
36:49
for
36:49
adult
36:49
TV
36:50
shows.
36:51
Now
36:51
here
36:51
you
36:51
are
36:52
going
36:52
and
36:53
doing
36:53
a
36:53
children's
36:54
book,
36:54
which
36:54
is
36:54
cool.
36:55
And
36:56
was
36:56
there
36:56
a
36:57
specific
36:58
person
36:58
beyond
36:59
your
36:59
son
37:00
or
37:00
an
37:00
event
37:01
that
37:01
kind
37:01
of
37:01
motivated
37:02
you
37:02
to
37:02
say,
37:03
you
37:03
know
37:03
what,
37:03
I'm
37:04
going
37:04
to
37:04
do
37:04
this,
37:04
I'm
37:05
going
37:05
to
37:05
be
37:05
a
37:05
children's
37:06
book
37:06
author.
37:07
What
37:07
was
37:07
the
37:08
motivation?
37:09
Let's
37:10
say
37:11
the
37:11
motivation
37:12
probably
37:13
came
37:13
before
37:14
I
37:15
had
37:15
my
37:15
son,
37:17
but
37:17
not
37:17
in
37:17
the
37:17
way
37:18
that
37:18
you
37:18
would
37:18
think.
37:18
When
37:19
I
37:19
was
37:19
young,
37:19
my
37:19
father
37:20
died
37:20
when
37:20
I
37:20
was
37:21
like
37:21
2
37:22
and
37:23
I
37:24
was
37:24
born
37:24
into
37:24
everybody
37:25
grieving.
37:27
And
37:28
I
37:28
think
37:28
that
37:29
at
37:29
that
37:29
age,
37:30
when
37:30
you're
37:31
so
37:31
young
37:31
and
37:31
people
37:32
are
37:32
one
37:32
trying
37:33
to
37:33
like
37:34
impart
37:34
his
37:35
memory
37:35
on
37:36
you,
37:36
but
37:36
also
37:38
so
37:38
raw,
37:39
maybe
37:40
they're
37:40
not
37:40
so
37:41
aware
37:41
of
37:42
the
37:42
messaging
37:43
that's
37:43
coming
37:43
at
37:43
you
37:44
and
37:46
what
37:46
you
37:46
need
37:46
to
37:47
say
37:47
and
37:47
what
37:47
you
37:47
need
37:48
to
37:48
do
37:48
in
37:49
as
37:49
a
37:49
child,
37:50
like
37:50
what
37:50
you
37:50
need
37:51
to
37:51
do
37:51
with
37:51
the
37:51
grief
37:51
that
37:51
you
37:51
have.
37:52
Even
37:52
though
37:53
people
37:53
would
37:54
say,
37:54
and
37:54
it's
37:54
true,
37:55
I
37:55
didn't
37:55
remember
37:55
my
37:56
father
37:56
at
37:56
all,
37:56
but
37:57
I
37:57
definitely
37:57
saw
37:57
grief.
37:59
So
38:00
I
38:00
had.
38:01
This
38:01
was
38:01
the
38:02
original
38:02
children's
38:03
book
38:03
that
38:03
I
38:03
wanted
38:04
to
38:04
write.
38:04
I
38:04
wanted
38:05
to
38:05
write
38:05
about
38:07
grief
38:07
from
38:08
a
38:08
child's
38:08
perspective.
38:10
And
38:10
the
38:10
book
38:10
that
38:11
I
38:11
wrote,
38:11
which
38:11
I
38:11
haven't
38:11
been
38:12
published
38:12
yet
38:12
because
38:13
I
38:13
wanted
38:13
to
38:13
lead
38:13
with
38:13
this,
38:14
I
38:14
felt
38:14
like
38:14
it
38:14
was
38:14
a
38:15
little
38:15
bit
38:15
more
38:15
commercial.
38:16
Grief
38:16
books
38:16
aren't,
38:16
I've
38:17
been
38:17
told,
38:17
aren't
38:18
that
38:18
sellable.
38:19
And
38:20
not
38:20
that
38:20
it
38:20
matters
38:21
because
38:21
it's
38:21
just
38:21
such
38:21
a
38:22
personal
38:22
story
38:22
to
38:23
me,
38:23
but
38:23
absolutely.
38:24
I
38:24
grew
38:24
up
38:25
not
38:25
far
38:26
from
38:26
where
38:26
my
38:26
father
38:27
was
38:27
buried.
38:28
Like
38:28
you
38:29
could
38:30
walk
38:31
out
38:31
of
38:31
my
38:31
house,
38:32
walk
38:32
across
38:32
the
38:32
street
38:33
and
38:33
then
38:33
there
38:33
was
38:33
the
38:34
cemetery.
38:35
And
38:35
funnily
38:36
enough,
38:37
that
38:37
was
38:37
the
38:37
best
38:38
hill
38:38
in
38:38
all
38:38
of
38:38
my
38:39
neighborhood
38:39
to
38:39
go
38:39
sled
38:39
riding.
38:40
So
38:41
Everyone
38:41
went
38:41
sled
38:42
riding,
38:42
and
38:43
the
38:43
plates
38:44
were
38:44
flat.
38:45
It
38:45
wasn't
38:46
tombstones.
38:47
I
38:47
asked
38:48
my
38:48
mother
38:48
once,
38:49
does
38:49
he
38:49
care
38:50
that
38:50
we're
38:51
sled
38:51
riding
38:52
on
38:52
the
38:52
cemetery?
38:54
And
38:55
he
38:55
just
38:55
was
38:55
like,
38:55
wow,
38:56
that's
38:56
not
38:56
a
38:56
question
38:57
I
38:57
expected
38:58
to
38:58
get
38:58
asked
38:58
today
38:59
while
38:59
I'm
38:59
in
38:59
the
38:59
middle
39:00
of
39:00
doing
39:00
laundry.
39:01
She
39:01
answered,
39:02
and
39:02
she
39:02
said,
39:03
no,
39:03
I
39:03
think
39:04
it
39:04
makes
39:04
him
39:04
happy.
39:05
And
39:05
I
39:05
was
39:05
like,
39:06
okay.
39:07
And
39:07
that
39:07
was
39:07
it.
39:08
But
39:09
I
39:09
fell
39:10
in
39:10
love
39:10
with
39:10
this
39:10
idea
39:11
of
39:11
a
39:11
child
39:12
getting
39:13
lost
39:14
on
39:14
his
39:14
sled
39:15
and
39:15
finding
39:16
his
39:16
way
39:16
through
39:17
his
39:17
grief.
39:17
That
39:18
was
39:18
just
39:18
it.
39:18
I've
39:19
wanted
39:19
to
39:19
write
39:19
that
39:19
book
39:20
since,
39:20
I
39:21
don't
39:21
know,
39:21
maybe
39:22
college,
39:23
maybe
39:23
after
39:23
college.
39:24
I
39:24
think
39:24
you
39:25
should.
39:25
Thank
39:25
you.
39:25
Thank
39:26
you.
39:26
And
39:26
I
39:26
have
39:26
it
39:27
written.
39:27
I
39:27
just
39:27
haven't
39:28
gotten
39:28
to
39:28
the
39:28
point
39:28
where
39:29
I'm
39:29
doing
39:29
this.
39:29
So
39:30
right
39:30
then,
39:31
when
39:31
I
39:31
became
39:32
a
39:32
mom
39:32
and
39:33
was
39:33
having
39:33
all
39:33
these
39:34
experiences,
39:34
and
39:34
I'm
39:35
a
39:35
writer
39:35
already,
39:35
and
39:36
so
39:36
you
39:36
write
39:37
what
39:37
you
39:37
know,
39:38
and
39:38
the
39:39
writer
39:39
strike
39:40
happened,
39:40
it
39:40
was
39:40
a
39:41
perfect
39:41
opportunity
39:42
for
39:42
me
39:43
to
39:43
do
39:43
it
39:43
finally,
39:44
because
39:44
I
39:44
just
39:44
had
39:44
time.
39:46
And
39:46
honestly,
39:47
I
39:48
tend
39:48
to
39:49
leap
39:49
first
39:50
a
39:50
lot.
39:51
And
39:52
I
39:52
think
39:53
once
39:54
you
39:54
don't
39:54
really
39:54
know
39:55
what
39:55
you're
39:55
getting
39:55
into
39:56
as
39:56
you're
39:56
starting
39:57
it,
39:57
like,
39:57
you're
39:57
like,
39:57
oh,
39:58
I
39:58
can
39:59
do
39:59
this.
39:59
I
39:59
read
39:59
children's
40:00
books
40:00
all
40:00
the
40:00
time.
40:01
I
40:01
look
40:01
at
40:01
them,
40:02
I
40:02
see
40:02
the
40:02
story.
40:02
I
40:03
can
40:03
do
40:03
this.
40:03
And
40:03
then
40:03
you
40:03
start
40:04
doing
40:04
it,
40:04
and
40:04
you're
40:04
like,
40:05
oh,
40:06
there's
40:06
a
40:06
lot
40:06
more
40:07
to
40:07
learn
40:07
here
40:07
than
40:08
I
40:08
realized.
40:09
And
40:09
so
40:09
that's
40:09
why
40:10
I
40:10
say
40:10
to
40:10
people
40:11
a
40:11
lot
40:11
by
40:11
the
40:11
end.
40:12
I
40:12
feel
40:12
like
40:12
I
40:12
became
40:12
a
40:12
creative
40:13
director
40:14
overnight,
40:14
because
40:15
I
40:15
always
40:16
say
40:16
it's.
40:16
Like
40:16
a
40:17
general
40:17
manager.
40:18
Yeah.
40:19
Because
40:19
at
40:20
the
40:20
end
40:20
of
40:20
the
40:20
day,
40:20
I
40:20
try
40:21
and
40:21
encourage
40:21
as
40:22
many
40:22
people
40:22
as
40:23
possible
40:24
to
40:24
be
40:24
an
40:24
independent
40:25
children's
40:25
book
40:25
author.
40:25
Because
40:26
as
40:27
long
40:27
as
40:27
you
40:27
realize
40:28
there's
40:28
only
40:29
five
40:29
to
40:29
seven
40:29
major
40:30
roles
40:30
to
40:30
put
40:31
the
40:31
book
40:31
together,
40:32
and
40:33
if
40:34
you
40:34
can
40:35
pick
40:35
up
40:35
the
40:35
phone
40:36
or
40:36
send
40:37
an
40:37
email
40:37
or
40:38
whatever,
40:39
or
40:39
do
40:39
a
40:39
Zoom
40:39
call,
40:40
it's
40:40
incredible
40:41
that
40:41
you
40:42
can
40:42
hire
40:42
these
40:43
people
40:44
and
40:44
put
40:44
your
40:44
children's
40:45
book
40:45
together.
40:46
You
40:46
have
40:46
to
40:46
do
40:47
as
40:47
you
40:47
did
40:48
your
40:48
research.
40:49
But
40:49
ultimately
40:50
we
40:50
can
40:51
all
40:51
find
40:51
these
40:51
people
40:52
out
40:52
there
40:52
that
40:52
are
40:52
very
40:53
creative
40:53
and
40:53
can
40:54
help
40:54
you
40:54
put
40:54
together
40:54
a.
40:55
Beautiful
40:55
book,
40:56
I
40:56
gotta
40:56
say.
40:57
It's
40:57
gotta
40:57
be
40:58
easier
40:58
now,
40:59
as
41:00
you
41:00
say,
41:00
we
41:00
have
41:01
zoom
41:02
email.
41:03
There's
41:03
so
41:03
many
41:04
different
41:05
ways
41:06
to
41:06
find
41:06
people
41:07
now,
41:07
whether
41:08
it's
41:08
Facebook
41:08
or
41:09
Instagram.
41:10
Yes.
41:10
And
41:11
I
41:12
didn't
41:12
really.
41:13
I
41:14
think
41:14
pretty
41:14
much
41:14
everything
41:15
that
41:15
I
41:15
did
41:16
was
41:16
through
41:16
email
41:16
and
41:17
text
41:18
with
41:18
this
41:18
book.
41:18
I
41:19
didn't
41:19
do
41:19
a
41:19
lot
41:20
of
41:21
Zoom.
41:22
I
41:22
think
41:22
I
41:22
did
41:22
one
41:22
Zoom
41:23
with
41:23
my
41:24
book
41:24
designer
41:25
and
41:25
maybe
41:26
we
41:26
had
41:26
the
41:26
phone
41:27
call,
41:27
but
41:27
most
41:28
of
41:28
it
41:28
was
41:28
through
41:29
email
41:29
and
41:30
text,
41:30
which
41:30
made
41:30
it
41:31
very
41:31
fast.
41:32
And
41:32
my
41:32
illustrator
41:33
was
41:34
all
41:35
through
41:35
email,
41:36
which
41:36
is
41:36
shocking,
41:37
but
41:37
it
41:38
speaks
41:38
to
41:38
how
41:39
good
41:39
they
41:39
were.
41:40
And
41:40
this
41:40
interesting
41:41
should
41:41
say
41:41
that
41:42
because
41:42
our
41:42
illustrator
41:43
is
41:44
in
41:44
the
41:44
UK
41:45
and
41:47
launched
41:47
a
41:47
second
41:48
book
41:48
in
41:48
our
41:48
book
41:49
series.
41:49
And
41:50
I
41:50
have
41:50
never
41:51
met
41:51
that
41:51
illustrator.
41:53
They've
41:54
never
41:54
been
41:54
to
41:54
the
41:55
Rocky
41:55
Mountains.
41:56
And
41:56
yet
41:56
I've
41:57
been
41:57
able
41:57
to.
41:58
We
41:58
because
41:58
it's
41:59
with
41:59
my
41:59
grandchildren,
42:00
we've
42:00
been
42:00
able
42:00
to
42:00
publish
42:01
two
42:01
beautiful
42:02
illustrated
42:03
books
42:04
and
42:05
it's
42:05
all
42:05
been
42:06
through
42:06
email
42:07
and
42:08
not
42:08
one,
42:09
not
42:09
one
42:09
Zoom
42:10
call,
42:10
not
42:10
one
42:11
phone
42:11
call.
42:12
It's
42:12
all
42:12
been
42:12
email.
42:13
So
42:13
it's
42:13
amazing
42:13
what
42:14
you
42:14
can
42:14
do
42:14
nowadays.
42:16
Yeah,
42:17
I
42:17
know,
42:17
it
42:17
really
42:17
is.
42:18
And
42:18
just
42:19
also
42:19
just
42:19
as
42:19
you
42:20
say,
42:20
with
42:20
the
42:20
Indian
42:21
self
42:21
publishing
42:22
world,
42:23
you
42:23
just
42:23
can
42:24
be
42:24
your
42:24
own
42:24
publisher
42:26
for
42:26
sure.
42:27
So
42:27
tell
42:27
us
42:27
about
42:28
Thatcher.
42:29
So
42:29
I
42:29
want
42:29
to
42:30
talk
42:30
a
42:30
little
42:30
bit
42:30
about
42:30
your
42:31
character
42:31
development.
42:32
Talked
42:32
about
42:32
your
42:33
four
42:33
year
42:33
old
42:34
son.
42:35
Is
42:35
he
42:35
Thatcher
42:36
or
42:36
is
42:37
his
42:37
name
42:37
Thatcher?
42:39
His
42:39
name
42:39
is
42:39
not
42:39
Thatcher.
42:40
Okay.
42:40
But
42:41
Thatcher
42:41
is
42:42
one
42:42
of
42:42
the
42:42
names
42:42
that
42:42
was
42:42
on
42:43
the
42:43
list
42:43
when
42:44
I
42:44
was
42:44
deciding
42:45
what
42:45
to
42:45
name
42:45
him.
42:46
Okay.
42:46
And
42:47
so
42:47
it
42:47
was
42:48
something
42:48
that
42:48
I
42:48
have
42:49
used
42:50
before
42:50
and
42:51
I
42:51
thought
42:52
this
42:52
is
42:52
the
42:52
name.
42:53
I
42:53
think
42:53
this
42:53
is
42:53
the
42:54
fun
42:55
name.
42:55
I
42:55
don't
42:55
hear
42:56
it
42:56
that
42:56
often,
42:56
but
42:56
it
42:57
is
42:57
definitely
42:57
a
42:57
fun
42:57
name.
42:58
Yeah.
42:59
Yes,
42:59
I
43:00
agree.
43:00
I
43:01
think
43:01
it
43:01
lends
43:02
itself
43:02
to
43:02
the
43:03
title,
43:03
but
43:03
just
43:04
really
43:04
do.
43:05
He
43:05
is
43:05
the
43:05
inspiration
43:06
100%.
43:08
But
43:08
I'd
43:08
also
43:09
say
43:09
I'm
43:09
the
43:09
inspiration
43:10
too.
43:10
And
43:11
only
43:11
because
43:12
what
43:12
I
43:12
think
43:13
is
43:13
unique
43:13
about
43:14
this
43:14
book
43:14
is
43:14
it's
43:15
told
43:15
from
43:15
the
43:15
parents
43:16
perspective.
43:17
And
43:17
you
43:17
don't
43:18
have
43:18
a
43:18
lot
43:18
of
43:18
children's
43:19
books
43:19
that
43:19
are
43:19
told
43:19
from
43:20
the
43:20
parents
43:20
perspective.
43:21
Usually
43:21
if
43:22
there's
43:22
a
43:22
mom
43:23
in
43:23
the
43:23
book,
43:24
she's
43:24
a
43:24
bear
43:25
or
43:25
a
43:25
llama
43:26
or
43:26
a
43:26
deer.
43:28
And
43:28
I
43:28
understand
43:29
that.
43:29
But
43:29
I
43:30
also
43:30
think
43:31
having
43:32
your
43:33
child
43:33
seeing
43:33
you
43:34
in
43:34
the
43:34
book,
43:35
we're
43:35
the
43:35
ones
43:36
that
43:36
raise
43:36
them,
43:36
that
43:36
we're
43:37
the
43:37
ones
43:37
that
43:37
they
43:38
look
43:38
to
43:38
for
43:39
guidance.
43:39
We
43:39
set
43:40
the
43:40
example.
43:41
So
43:42
when
43:42
they
43:43
see
43:43
us
43:43
fall
43:43
down
43:45
and
43:45
struggle
43:47
and
43:47
get
43:47
back
43:47
up,
43:48
I
43:49
think
43:49
it
43:49
teaches
43:49
them
43:50
resilience
43:50
and
43:50
empathy.
43:51
And
43:51
I
43:51
think
43:51
that
43:52
those
43:52
are
43:52
two
43:53
really
43:53
important
43:54
lessons
43:54
to
43:54
teach
43:55
a
43:56
child
43:56
because
43:57
they're
43:57
also
43:57
going
43:57
to
43:58
need
43:58
that
43:58
in
43:58
their
43:58
own
43:59
life
43:59
when
43:59
they
44:00
fall
44:00
down
44:00
and
44:01
get
44:01
back
44:01
up.
44:02
I
44:02
would
44:02
say
44:03
both
44:03
myself
44:04
just
44:05
being
44:06
a
44:06
parent
44:06
and
44:06
parenting
44:08
was
44:08
the
44:08
inspiration.
44:09
And
44:10
also
44:11
my
44:11
son
44:12
and
44:13
I
44:13
would
44:14
also
44:14
say
44:16
his
44:16
pediatricians
44:17
or
44:18
his
44:19
therapist
44:19
or
44:20
whatever
44:20
or
44:21
other
44:21
parents
44:22
were
44:22
also
44:23
the
44:23
inspiration
44:23
because
44:25
the
44:25
suggestions
44:26
with
44:26
everybody
44:28
showing
44:28
up.
44:28
Once
44:29
when
44:29
Thatcher's.
44:30
For
44:30
people
44:30
who
44:30
haven't
44:31
read
44:31
the
44:31
book,
44:31
he
44:32
screams
44:32
so
44:32
loud
44:32
at
44:33
bath
44:33
time,
44:33
he
44:33
wakes
44:34
up
44:34
the
44:34
entire
44:34
neighborhood.
44:35
And
44:36
when
44:36
you're
44:37
out
44:37
and
44:38
your
44:38
child's
44:38
having
44:38
a
44:38
meltdown,
44:40
everybody
44:41
stops
44:41
and
44:41
stares.
44:42
And
44:42
even
44:42
if
44:42
people
44:43
smile.
44:45
Yeah.
44:45
Being
44:45
there,
44:46
done
44:46
that.
44:47
Yeah.
44:48
Or
44:48
I
44:48
just
44:49
want
44:49
to
44:49
see
44:49
what
44:49
you're
44:49
going
44:50
to
44:50
do.
44:50
Like,
44:50
how
44:50
are
44:50
you
44:51
going
44:51
to
44:51
handle
44:51
this?
44:52
And
44:52
then
44:53
you
44:53
also
44:53
get
44:54
the
44:54
unsolicited
44:55
advice,
44:56
of
44:56
course,
44:57
nobody
44:57
likes
44:58
to
44:58
hear
44:58
a
44:58
baby
44:59
cry.
45:00
And
45:00
I
45:01
remember
45:01
when
45:02
my
45:02
mom
45:02
and
45:02
her
45:02
husband
45:03
came
45:03
to
45:03
visit
45:03
when
45:04
my
45:04
son
45:04
was
45:04
really
45:05
young,
45:05
he
45:05
was
45:06
crying,
45:08
and
45:08
I
45:08
was
45:08
picking
45:08
him
45:09
up
45:09
and
45:09
balancing
45:10
him,
45:10
and
45:10
they
45:10
said,
45:10
why
45:11
is
45:11
he
45:11
crying?
45:12
And
45:13
before
45:14
they
45:14
said,
45:14
why
45:14
is
45:15
he
45:15
crying?
45:15
They
45:15
said
45:15
they
45:16
would
45:16
say,
45:16
I
45:16
think
45:17
he's
45:17
hungry.
45:17
Well,
45:17
he
45:18
just
45:18
ate.
45:19
I
45:19
think
45:19
he's
45:19
tired.
45:19
He
45:20
just
45:20
woke
45:20
up.
45:21
So
45:21
that
45:22
kind
45:22
of
45:22
thing.
45:22
And
45:23
people
45:23
cannot
45:24
handle
45:24
babies
45:25
crying.
45:25
And
45:26
there's
45:26
a
45:26
great
45:26
book
45:27
by
45:28
the
45:28
guy
45:28
that
45:29
invented
45:29
the
45:29
snoo
45:31
called
45:31
the
45:31
Happiest
45:31
Baby
45:32
on
45:32
the
45:32
Block.
45:32
And
45:33
he
45:33
used
45:33
to
45:33
be
45:33
an
45:33
ER
45:34
doctor.
45:34
And
45:34
he
45:34
talks
45:35
about
45:36
how
45:37
Navy
45:37
SEALs
45:38
are
45:38
forced
45:39
to
45:39
listen
45:39
to
45:40
baby
45:40
crying
45:40
for
45:41
eight
45:41
hours
45:41
as
45:42
a
45:42
form
45:42
of
45:42
being
45:42
able
45:43
to
45:43
stand
45:43
up
45:43
to
45:44
withstand
45:44
torture.
45:45
Eight
45:45
hours.
45:46
It's
45:46
like,
45:47
nobody
45:47
want
45:47
nobody.
45:48
It
45:48
stresses
45:49
everybody
45:49
out.
45:49
And
45:51
they
45:51
said,
45:51
it's
45:52
interesting.
45:52
Even
45:52
though
45:53
your
45:53
book
45:53
is
45:53
not
45:53
a
45:54
Christmas
45:54
book,
45:54
there
45:55
was
45:55
a
45:55
unique.
45:56
Because
45:56
you
45:56
talked
45:57
about
45:57
waking
45:58
up
45:58
the
45:58
whole
45:58
neighborhood
45:59
and
45:59
stuff
45:59
like
45:59
that.
45:59
And
46:00
there
46:00
was
46:00
a
46:00
unique
46:01
technique
46:02
you
46:02
used.
46:02
I
46:02
want
46:03
to
46:03
talk
46:03
a
46:03
bit
46:03
about
46:04
that.
46:04
And
46:05
so
46:06
it's
46:06
almost
46:07
like
46:07
the
46:07
twelve
46:07
Days
46:08
of
46:08
Christmas.
46:09
And
46:10
what
46:10
I'm
46:10
talking
46:11
about
46:11
is
46:12
you
46:12
use
46:13
numbers
46:14
in
46:14
this
46:15
as
46:15
the
46:15
whole
46:16
thing
46:16
is
46:16
coming
46:17
to
46:17
a
46:17
head.
46:18
And
46:20
I
46:20
don't
46:20
want
46:20
to
46:20
give
46:20
the
46:21
book
46:21
away,
46:21
but
46:22
talk
46:22
to
46:22
us
46:22
about
46:23
how
46:23
did
46:23
you
46:23
come
46:23
up
46:24
with
46:24
that
46:24
whole
46:24
idea
46:25
when
46:26
it's
46:26
culminating
46:27
to
46:27
this
46:27
point?
46:29
Talk
46:29
to
46:29
us
46:29
about
46:30
that
46:30
idea
46:31
and
46:31
the
46:31
technique.
46:32
Share
46:32
that
46:32
with
46:32
us.
46:33
I
46:34
had
46:34
it
46:34
in
46:34
my
46:34
head
46:35
a
46:35
little
46:35
bit.
46:35
This
46:35
is
46:35
a
46:36
hostage
46:36
situation,
46:37
Right.
46:37
This
46:38
kid
46:38
is
46:38
screaming,
46:38
and
46:39
the
46:39
mom
46:39
is,
46:39
like,
46:40
trying
46:41
to
46:41
figure
46:41
it
46:41
out.
46:41
And
46:42
the
46:42
police
46:42
show
46:42
up
46:42
and
46:43
they're
46:43
like,
46:43
what's
46:44
going
46:44
on
46:44
in
46:44
there?
46:45
And
46:45
it's
46:45
almost
46:46
like
46:46
it's
46:46
a
46:46
crime
46:47
scene.
46:47
Everybody
46:48
has
46:48
shown
46:48
up
46:49
and
46:49
trying
46:49
to
46:50
figure
46:50
out,
46:50
like,
46:50
what's
46:51
going
46:51
on.
46:51
Yeah.
46:52
I
46:52
love
46:52
how
46:52
you
46:52
did
46:52
it.
46:53
Yeah.
46:53
So
46:53
I
46:53
was
46:54
really,
46:54
like,
46:54
going
46:55
for
46:55
volume.
46:56
But
46:56
I
46:56
also
46:58
very
46:58
much
46:58
love
46:59
the
46:59
book.
46:59
I
46:59
don't
47:00
know
47:00
if
47:00
you
47:00
know
47:00
it.
47:00
I'm
47:01
going
47:01
to
47:01
butcher
47:01
her
47:01
last
47:02
name.
47:02
I
47:02
think
47:02
it's
47:03
Sandra
47:03
Boynton,
47:05
and
47:05
she
47:06
has
47:06
a
47:06
book
47:06
called
47:07
Hippos
47:07
Go
47:07
Berserk.
47:08
It's
47:08
just
47:09
a
47:09
numbers
47:09
book.
47:09
It's
47:09
all
47:10
about
47:10
the
47:10
hippos
47:10
that
47:11
show
47:11
up
47:11
and
47:11
it's
47:12
counting.
47:12
It's
47:12
one
47:12
of
47:12
my
47:12
favorite
47:13
books
47:13
to
47:14
read
47:14
to
47:14
my
47:14
son.
47:15
That
47:15
was
47:15
a
47:15
little
47:16
bit
47:16
of
47:16
an
47:16
inspiration
47:18
in
47:18
that
47:18
sense.
47:19
But
47:19
I
47:20
also.
47:20
I
47:21
just
47:21
really
47:22
wanted
47:22
to
47:22
poke
47:23
fun
47:23
at
47:24
the
47:25
volume
47:26
of
47:26
people
47:27
that
47:27
were
47:27
being
47:28
woken
47:28
up
47:29
because
47:29
this
47:29
baby
47:30
is
47:30
crying
47:30
so
47:31
loud.
47:31
And
47:31
that's
47:32
how
47:32
I
47:32
did
47:33
it
47:33
and,
47:33
and,
47:33
and
47:34
why
47:34
I
47:34
did
47:34
it.
47:34
Yeah.
47:35
And
47:35
so
47:35
carry
47:35
us
47:36
on
47:36
to
47:36
the
47:36
theme
47:37
from
47:37
that
47:38
whole
47:38
thing.
47:39
You
47:39
talked
47:39
a
47:40
little
47:40
bit
47:40
about
47:40
it
47:40
earlier,
47:41
so
47:41
talk
47:42
to
47:42
us
47:43
where
47:43
you
47:43
took
47:44
the
47:44
story.
47:45
When
47:45
my
47:45
son
47:46
was
47:46
having
47:46
trouble
47:47
taking
47:47
a
47:47
bath,
47:49
I
47:49
would
47:49
talk
47:49
to
47:50
people
47:50
about
47:50
it
47:51
and
47:52
they
47:52
would
47:53
say,
47:54
have
47:55
you
47:55
tried
47:55
toys
47:56
and.
47:56
Or
47:57
have
47:57
you
47:57
tried
47:57
bubbles?
47:58
And
47:59
what
47:59
was
48:00
so
48:00
challenging
48:00
for
48:01
me
48:01
was
48:01
to
48:02
have
48:02
to
48:02
sit
48:02
there
48:02
and
48:03
listen
48:03
to
48:03
them
48:03
tell
48:04
me
48:04
this
48:05
amazing
48:06
light
48:06
bulb
48:06
moment
48:07
of
48:08
a
48:08
suggestion
48:09
that
48:09
they
48:09
really
48:10
were
48:10
like,
48:10
oh,
48:11
I
48:11
know
48:11
how
48:11
to
48:11
help
48:11
her
48:12
solve
48:12
this
48:12
problem.
48:12
I'm
48:13
going
48:13
to
48:13
tell
48:13
her
48:13
about
48:14
Amazon
48:14
and
48:14
how
48:14
they
48:15
have
48:15
these
48:15
great
48:15
toys
48:16
that
48:16
you
48:16
can
48:16
buy.
48:17
And
48:17
I
48:17
just
48:17
have
48:18
to
48:18
sit
48:18
there
48:18
and
48:19
let
48:19
them
48:20
tell
48:20
me
48:20
this
48:20
because
48:21
they
48:21
were
48:21
so
48:22
like,
48:22
oh,
48:22
I'm
48:22
going
48:22
to
48:23
help
48:23
you.
48:23
And
48:24
they
48:24
wanted
48:24
to
48:24
help.
48:24
And.
48:25
But
48:25
I'm
48:25
sitting
48:25
there
48:26
in
48:26
all
48:26
sincerity,
48:27
too.
48:27
In
48:27
all
48:27
sincerity.
48:28
In
48:28
all
48:28
sincerity.
48:30
And
48:30
so
48:31
it
48:32
was
48:32
that.
48:32
And
48:33
then
48:33
it
48:33
was
48:33
like,
48:34
okay,
48:35
I've
48:35
tried
48:35
toys.
48:36
So
48:36
what
48:37
else?
48:37
I
48:37
remember
48:39
one
48:39
person
48:40
said,
48:41
take
48:41
a
48:42
cup
48:42
of
48:42
water.
48:43
Get
48:43
into
48:43
the
48:44
bathtub
48:44
with
48:44
him,
48:45
take
48:45
a
48:45
cup
48:46
of
48:46
water
48:46
and
48:46
pour
48:47
water
48:47
on
48:47
your
48:47
head
48:47
and
48:48
laugh
48:48
really
48:48
hard.
48:49
And
48:49
he'll
48:50
know
48:50
that
48:50
the
48:50
bath
48:51
is
48:51
fun
48:51
and
48:51
safe.
48:52
And
48:52
I'm
48:52
like,
48:53
I.
48:55
A
48:55
child
48:56
that
48:56
is
48:56
in
48:56
white
48:57
or
48:57
white,
48:58
full
48:58
rigor,
48:59
soaking
48:59
wet,
49:01
that
49:01
is
49:01
too
49:01
young
49:02
to
49:02
be
49:02
able
49:02
to
49:02
keep
49:03
his
49:03
head
49:03
up
49:03
on
49:03
his
49:04
own.
49:04
You're
49:05
telling
49:05
me
49:05
to
49:05
hold
49:06
him
49:06
in
49:06
one
49:06
wet,
49:07
soapy
49:07
hand
49:08
while
49:08
I'm
49:08
screaming
49:09
and
49:09
pour
49:10
a
49:10
thing
49:10
off.
49:11
But
49:11
I
49:11
didn't,
49:12
because
49:12
I'm
49:12
like,
49:13
I
49:13
don't
49:13
know,
49:13
maybe
49:14
this
49:14
is
49:14
going
49:14
to
49:14
work.
49:15
And
49:15
then
49:15
it
49:15
doesn't
49:16
work.
49:16
And
49:16
you
49:16
feel
49:17
like
49:17
you're
49:17
failing.
49:18
And
49:18
that's
49:18
the
49:19
hardest
49:19
part
49:19
about
49:21
being
49:21
a
49:21
parent.
49:22
You
49:23
are,
49:23
for
49:24
me
49:24
at
49:24
least,
49:24
you
49:24
feel
49:25
like
49:27
I'm
49:27
not
49:27
able
49:28
to
49:29
give
49:29
my
49:29
child
49:29
a
49:29
bath
49:30
and
49:30
have
49:30
him
49:30
be
49:31
calm.
49:32
It's
49:32
me.
49:33
It's
49:33
not
49:33
him.
49:34
It's
49:34
not
49:34
anybody
49:34
else.
49:35
It's
49:35
me.
49:36
Through
49:36
all
49:37
of
49:37
the
49:37
different
49:37
suggestions
49:38
that
49:38
I
49:39
tried,
49:39
I
49:39
finally
49:41
stopped
49:41
trying.
49:42
And
49:43
I
49:43
didn't
49:43
give
49:43
him
49:44
a
49:45
traditional
49:45
bath
49:45
anymore.
49:46
I
49:46
just
49:47
put
49:47
him
49:47
in
49:47
a,
49:48
like,
49:48
little
49:48
mesh
49:49
thing,
49:51
put
49:51
a
49:51
washcloth,
49:52
wet
49:52
it
49:52
with
49:53
soap,
49:53
and
49:53
cleaned
49:54
him.
49:54
And
49:54
I
49:55
just
49:55
did
49:55
that
49:55
for
49:56
months
49:57
before
49:57
I
49:57
finally
49:58
said,
49:58
okay,
49:58
let's
49:59
revisit
49:59
it
49:59
and
49:59
see
50:00
if
50:00
he'll
50:01
get
50:01
more
50:02
into
50:03
the
50:03
bath.
50:03
And
50:03
eventually
50:04
he
50:04
did.
50:04
And
50:04
there's
50:05
certain
50:05
things
50:05
he
50:05
still
50:06
doesn't
50:06
like.
50:06
He
50:06
doesn't
50:06
like
50:07
getting
50:07
his
50:07
hair
50:07
washed,
50:08
but
50:08
he
50:08
enjoys
50:08
the
50:09
bath
50:09
more.
50:10
And
50:10
so
50:10
that
50:10
was
50:11
the
50:11
impetus
50:11
for
50:11
the
50:12
book.
50:12
I
50:12
wanted
50:13
to
50:15
poke
50:15
fun
50:16
at
50:16
what
50:16
it
50:16
feels
50:17
like
50:18
when
50:18
your
50:19
child's
50:19
screaming
50:19
their
50:19
head
50:20
off.
50:20
You
50:20
feel
50:20
like
50:21
everybody's
50:22
eyes
50:22
are
50:22
on
50:22
you
50:23
and
50:23
your.
50:23
Your
50:24
own
50:24
eyes
50:24
are
50:24
on
50:24
yourself.
50:25
And
50:26
then
50:26
also
50:26
just
50:26
the
50:27
crazy
50:27
suggestions
50:28
that
50:28
you
50:28
get
50:28
and
50:29
how
50:29
you
50:29
try
50:29
them,
50:30
and
50:31
nothing
50:31
works.
50:32
And
50:33
that
50:33
was
50:33
really
50:34
the
50:34
impetus
50:34
for
50:35
the
50:35
book.
50:35
And
50:35
I
50:35
wanted
50:36
to
50:36
do
50:36
it
50:37
in
50:37
a
50:37
very
50:37
fun,
50:38
childlike
50:38
way.
50:39
And
50:39
that's
50:39
why
50:40
the
50:40
suggestions
50:40
get
50:41
more
50:41
and
50:42
more
50:43
ludicrous,
50:44
because
50:44
that's
50:44
what
50:45
makes
50:45
it
50:45
fun
50:45
for
50:46
kids
50:46
and
50:46
then
50:46
for
50:47
parents.
50:48
The
50:48
message
50:48
is
50:48
what
50:49
I
50:49
think,
50:49
and
50:50
I
50:50
love.
50:50
I
50:50
don't
50:50
want
50:50
to
50:51
give
50:51
away
50:51
the
50:51
ending
50:52
message,
50:52
but
50:52
I
50:52
love
50:53
how
50:53
you
50:53
closed
50:54
it,
50:54
because
50:55
you
50:55
know
50:55
what?
50:56
Thank
50:56
you.
50:56
At
50:57
the
50:57
end
50:57
of
50:57
the
50:57
day,
50:57
we've
50:58
all
50:58
been
50:58
there.
50:59
Yeah.
51:00
And
51:01
all
51:01
you
51:01
have
51:01
to
51:01
do
51:02
is
51:03
raise
51:03
a
51:03
child
51:04
or
51:04
have
51:04
grandchildren
51:05
come
51:05
into
51:06
your
51:06
life.
51:07
Yes.
51:08
Yes.
51:09
I
51:09
want
51:10
to
51:10
talk
51:10
a
51:10
little
51:10
bit
51:11
more
51:11
now
51:12
because
51:12
you've
51:12
done
51:13
this
51:13
for
51:13
a
51:13
living.
51:14
Talk
51:14
to
51:14
us
51:15
about
51:15
your
51:16
writing
51:16
process
51:17
in
51:18
that
51:19
now
51:19
that
51:19
you've
51:19
got
51:20
Thatcher
51:21
Hates
51:21
the
51:21
Bath,
51:22
and
51:23
you've
51:23
also
51:24
told
51:24
us
51:24
that
51:25
you
51:25
did
51:25
write
51:26
another
51:26
book.
51:27
Are
51:27
you
51:27
actively
51:28
writing
51:29
children's
51:29
stories
51:30
now,
51:31
or
51:31
do
51:31
you
51:31
just.
51:32
What
51:33
have
51:33
you
51:33
pivoted
51:34
back
51:34
to?
51:34
Just
51:35
TV
51:36
scriptwriter?
51:37
Tell
51:37
us
51:37
what's
51:38
going
51:38
on
51:38
with
51:38
the
51:39
whole
51:39
writing
51:40
thing
51:40
in
51:40
your
51:40
life
51:41
now.
51:41
I'm
51:43
definitely
51:43
a
51:44
television
51:44
writer
51:45
and
51:45
producer,
51:46
and
51:46
I'm
51:47
constantly
51:48
developing
51:49
shows
51:50
and
51:50
writing
51:51
pilots
51:52
and
51:52
pitching
51:53
shows
51:54
and
51:54
trying
51:54
to
51:54
staff
51:55
on
51:55
a
51:55
show
51:56
and
51:56
all
51:56
of
51:56
those
51:57
things.
51:57
I
51:57
don't.
51:58
Unless
51:58
they
51:58
kick
51:59
me
51:59
out,
52:00
I
52:00
don't
52:00
think
52:00
I'll
52:00
ever
52:01
leave
52:01
that.
52:02
Okay.
52:02
That
52:03
said,
52:05
this
52:05
isn't
52:06
an
52:06
inexpensive
52:07
endeavor,
52:07
as
52:08
we
52:08
know.
52:09
So
52:09
I
52:09
would
52:10
say
52:11
where
52:11
my
52:11
head
52:12
is
52:12
at
52:12
right
52:13
now,
52:13
it's
52:13
really
52:14
promoting
52:14
this
52:14
book,
52:15
getting
52:15
as
52:16
many
52:16
eyeballs
52:16
on
52:17
it
52:17
as
52:17
possible.
52:18
And
52:19
then
52:19
I
52:19
would
52:19
say
52:19
I'm
52:20
100%
52:20
going
52:21
to
52:21
continue
52:21
to
52:21
write
52:22
children's
52:23
books,
52:23
but
52:24
I
52:25
want
52:25
to
52:26
wait
52:26
a
52:26
little
52:26
bit
52:27
until
52:28
I
52:28
see
52:28
how
52:29
this
52:29
book
52:29
does
52:30
and
52:30
just
52:30
give
52:30
it
52:30
as
52:31
much
52:31
love
52:31
and
52:31
attention
52:32
as
52:32
I
52:32
can
52:32
before
52:33
I
52:34
populate
52:34
the
52:34
market
52:34
with
52:35
another
52:35
book.
52:36
I
52:36
don't
52:36
want
52:36
to
52:36
Take
52:36
my
52:37
eyes
52:37
off
52:37
of
52:37
this
52:37
one
52:38
yet,
52:38
but
52:39
that
52:39
is.
52:40
That
52:40
is
52:40
my
52:41
goal.
52:41
Let's
52:42
talk
52:42
a
52:42
little
52:42
bit
52:42
about
52:43
how
52:43
you
52:43
envision
52:44
success
52:46
prior
52:46
to
52:46
your
52:47
launch
52:47
of
52:47
your
52:48
book.
52:49
And
52:50
now
52:50
you've
52:50
got
52:50
reality,
52:52
so
52:52
you've
52:52
been
52:52
into
52:53
it
52:53
for
52:53
a
52:54
couple
52:54
of
52:54
months
52:54
now.
52:55
So
52:55
talk
52:55
to
52:56
us
52:56
about
52:56
how
52:57
did
52:57
you
52:57
envision
52:58
success
52:59
when
52:59
you
52:59
first
53:00
started
53:00
this
53:01
and
53:02
what's
53:02
it
53:02
look
53:02
like
53:03
to
53:03
you
53:03
now?
53:04
I
53:05
would
53:05
say
53:05
I
53:05
had
53:05
envisioned
53:06
success.
53:06
I'm
53:06
a
53:06
dreamer
53:07
as
53:08
being
53:08
a
53:08
New
53:08
York
53:08
Times
53:09
bestseller
53:09
and
53:10
being
53:10
on
53:10
the
53:10
View,
53:11
like,
53:11
that's
53:12
how
53:12
I
53:12
envision
53:14
success.
53:14
And
53:15
doing
53:15
a
53:15
lot
53:15
of
53:15
book
53:16
readings
53:16
and
53:16
a
53:16
lot
53:16
of
53:16
book
53:17
signings
53:17
and
53:18
doing
53:18
a
53:18
book
53:19
tour.
53:19
And
53:19
none
53:20
of
53:20
that
53:20
is
53:20
out
53:21
of
53:21
the
53:22
possibilities.
53:23
Let's
53:23
put
53:23
the
53:23
New
53:23
York
53:24
Times
53:24
bestseller
53:24
in
53:24
the
53:25
View
53:25
over
53:25
here
53:26
and
53:26
just
53:26
focus
53:27
on
53:28
a
53:28
book
53:28
tour.
53:29
Like,
53:29
I'd
53:29
love
53:29
to
53:29
do
53:30
that.
53:30
My
53:30
son's
53:30
in
53:30
school
53:31
right
53:31
now,
53:31
so
53:31
until
53:32
he's
53:32
out
53:32
of
53:32
school,
53:32
I
53:32
can't
53:33
really
53:33
travel.
53:33
But
53:34
that'd
53:34
be
53:34
a
53:34
really
53:35
fun
53:35
thing
53:35
to
53:36
do.
53:37
But
53:38
I
53:38
would
53:38
say
53:40
popularity,
53:41
obviously,
53:42
is
53:42
how
53:43
I
53:43
would
53:44
envision
53:44
success.
53:46
But
53:46
I
53:46
would
53:47
also
53:47
say
53:48
that
53:50
this
53:50
has
53:50
been
53:51
a
53:51
learning
53:51
experience.
53:52
And
53:52
so
53:53
one
53:53
of
53:53
the
53:54
things
53:54
that
53:55
I
53:55
think
53:55
I've
53:56
learned
53:56
is
53:56
there
53:57
are
53:57
days
53:57
where
53:57
you
53:57
can
53:58
feel
53:58
very
53:58
disheartened.
53:59
There's
53:59
an
53:59
independent
54:00
bookstore
54:00
up
54:00
the
54:00
street
54:00
for
54:01
me
54:01
that
54:01
I
54:01
love.
54:02
And
54:02
when
54:03
I
54:03
went
54:03
to
54:03
them
54:03
about
54:03
my
54:04
book,
54:04
even
54:04
though
54:04
I
54:04
said,
54:05
I'm
54:05
on
54:05
Ingram
54:06
Mark,
54:07
they
54:07
still
54:07
were
54:07
like,
54:09
no,
54:09
we're
54:09
not
54:10
going
54:10
to
54:10
buy
54:10
your
54:11
book.
54:11
We're
54:11
an
54:11
independent
54:12
bookstore.
54:12
We.
54:13
They
54:13
can't
54:14
do.
54:14
They
54:14
can't
54:15
do
54:15
the
54:15
wholesale
54:16
and
54:16
everything
54:16
like
54:16
that.
54:17
And
54:17
so
54:18
that
54:18
was
54:18
disheartening
54:19
to
54:19
me.
54:20
And
54:20
I
54:21
felt
54:21
a
54:21
little,
54:21
you're
54:22
an
54:22
independent
54:22
bookstore.
54:23
You
54:23
want
54:23
me
54:23
to
54:23
come
54:23
to
54:23
you
54:24
instead
54:24
of
54:24
like
54:24
Barnes
54:25
and
54:25
Noble?
54:25
You're
54:26
not
54:26
helping
54:26
out
54:26
the
54:27
fellow
54:27
indie
54:28
writer.
54:29
But
54:29
then
54:30
I
54:30
went
54:30
to
54:30
Barnes
54:30
and
54:31
Noble
54:31
and
54:31
I
54:32
gave
54:32
the
54:32
manager
54:33
my
54:34
little
54:34
note
54:34
card
54:35
with
54:35
the
54:35
picture
54:36
of
54:36
the
54:36
book
54:36
and
54:36
the
54:36
ISBN
54:37
and
54:37
everything
54:37
on
54:37
the
54:38
back.
54:38
And
54:38
he
54:38
bought
54:38
three
54:38
copies.
54:39
And
54:39
I
54:39
went
54:39
in
54:39
and
54:39
I
54:40
signed
54:40
them
54:40
and
54:41
did
54:41
a
54:41
little
54:41
photo
54:42
op
54:42
and
54:42
everything
54:42
like
54:43
that.
54:43
And
54:43
they're
54:43
on
54:43
the
54:43
shelves
54:44
next
54:44
to
54:44
all
54:44
the
54:45
big
54:45
authors
54:46
and
54:46
terrific.
54:47
And
54:47
so
54:47
I,
54:47
yeah,
54:48
I
54:48
think
54:48
it's
54:49
really
54:49
who
54:50
you
54:50
ask.
54:50
I
54:51
reached
54:51
out
54:51
to
54:51
celebrities
54:52
and
54:52
said,
54:52
hey,
54:52
would
54:53
you
54:53
read
54:53
my
54:53
book
54:53
aloud?
54:54
Would
54:54
you
54:54
do
54:54
a
54:54
read
54:54
aloud?
54:55
And
54:56
I
54:56
have
54:57
heard
54:57
nothing
54:57
or
54:57
I've
54:58
heard
54:58
no.
54:59
But
55:00
one
55:00
thing
55:00
that
55:01
I
55:01
think
55:02
is
55:02
important
55:03
with
55:03
this
55:03
kind
55:04
of
55:04
thing
55:04
is
55:04
you
55:05
want
55:05
it
55:05
to
55:06
be
55:06
a
55:06
sprint,
55:06
but
55:07
it's
55:07
truly
55:07
a
55:07
marathon
55:09
Absolutely,
55:10
Yeah.
55:10
And
55:11
that's
55:11
what
55:11
I
55:11
always
55:11
say
55:12
to
55:12
people
55:12
is
55:12
that,
55:13
you
55:13
know
55:13
what
55:14
the
55:14
most
55:14
important
55:15
renewable
55:16
resource
55:16
we
55:16
have
55:17
is
55:17
our
55:17
children.
55:19
And
55:20
the
55:20
thing
55:20
about
55:21
children
55:21
is
55:22
they
55:22
come
55:22
and
55:23
they
55:23
go
55:23
into
55:24
our
55:24
genre.
55:25
If
55:25
you
55:25
write
55:26
for
55:26
4
55:26
to
55:26
10
55:26
year
55:27
olds,
55:27
every
55:28
year
55:28
you
55:28
get
55:28
a
55:29
new
55:29
group
55:29
of
55:30
four
55:30
year
55:30
olds
55:30
coming
55:31
into
55:32
your
55:32
world
55:33
and
55:33
you
55:33
have
55:34
a
55:34
whole.
55:34
And
55:34
then
55:35
you
55:35
have
55:35
your.
55:35
The
55:35
10
55:35
year
55:36
olds
55:36
leaving
55:37
and
55:37
going
55:38
to
55:38
be
55:38
11.
55:39
And
55:39
so
55:39
they
55:39
leave.
55:40
But
55:40
it's
55:41
a
55:41
constant
55:41
rotation.
55:42
I
55:42
keep
55:42
saying
55:42
to
55:43
people,
55:43
just
55:43
remember,
55:43
your
55:44
book
55:44
is
55:44
evergreen.
55:45
It'll
55:45
last
55:46
forever.
55:47
If
55:47
you
55:47
have
55:47
a
55:47
timeless
55:48
story
55:48
like
55:49
yours,
55:50
children
55:50
having
55:51
baths
55:51
is
55:52
going
55:52
to
55:52
go
55:52
on
55:53
for.
55:55
Yeah.
55:55
So
55:56
your
55:56
book
55:56
will
55:57
last
55:57
forever.
55:58
That's
55:58
a
55:58
really
55:58
great
55:59
thing
55:59
to
55:59
tell
56:00
any
56:00
author
56:00
because
56:01
it's
56:01
so
56:01
true.
56:02
Like
56:02
you
56:02
are
56:02
thinking,
56:04
we
56:04
all
56:04
think
56:04
narrowly,
56:05
right?
56:05
And
56:06
so
56:06
you
56:06
think,
56:06
oh,
56:07
I'm
56:07
thinking
56:07
about
56:07
the
56:08
market
56:08
that
56:08
I'm
56:08
hitting
56:09
right
56:09
now.
56:09
You're
56:09
not
56:09
thinking
56:10
about
56:10
the
56:10
next
56:10
four
56:10
year
56:11
old,
56:11
the
56:11
next
56:11
five
56:12
year
56:12
old,
56:12
the
56:12
next
56:13
six
56:14
year
56:14
old.
56:14
One
56:15
thing
56:15
that
56:15
a
56:15
PR
56:17
person
56:17
said
56:17
to
56:17
me
56:18
was,
56:19
you
56:19
can
56:19
always
56:20
market
56:20
your
56:21
book
56:21
when
56:21
you're
56:21
an
56:21
indie
56:22
author.
56:22
You
56:22
can
56:23
always,
56:24
you
56:24
can
56:24
keep
56:24
it
56:24
out
56:25
there
56:25
like
56:26
a
56:26
traditional
56:26
publish.
56:27
They
56:27
make
56:27
a
56:28
certain
56:28
amount
56:28
of
56:28
copies.
56:29
If
56:29
it
56:29
doesn't
56:29
sell,
56:29
that's
56:30
it,
56:30
you're
56:30
done.
56:30
That
56:31
also
56:31
is
56:32
something
56:32
that
56:32
I
56:32
think
56:33
it
56:33
makes
56:33
it
56:34
attractive.
56:34
You're
56:34
not
56:34
gonna,
56:35
we
56:35
all
56:35
hope
56:35
we'd
56:36
make
56:36
money,
56:36
a
56:36
lot
56:36
of
56:36
money
56:36
doing
56:37
this,
56:37
but
56:37
you're
56:37
not
56:37
gonna
56:38
make
56:39
a
56:39
lot
56:39
of
56:39
money
56:39
doing
56:39
it
56:40
either
56:40
way.
56:41
So
56:41
why
56:41
not
56:41
have
56:42
the
56:42
control?
56:42
The
56:43
thing
56:43
you
56:43
just
56:43
need
56:43
to
56:44
have
56:44
is
56:44
to
56:44
make
56:44
sure
56:45
that
56:45
you
56:45
have
56:46
more
56:46
eyeballs
56:46
on
56:46
it
56:47
than
56:47
like
56:47
your
56:47
mom.
56:48
Like,
56:48
you
56:48
have
56:49
to
56:49
get
56:49
the
56:50
feedback,
56:50
get
56:50
the
56:50
knowledge
56:51
and
56:51
you
56:51
know
56:51
what
56:51
you
56:51
know
56:51
from
56:52
Alison,
56:52
to
56:52
your
56:53
point.
56:53
It'S
56:53
a
56:53
slow
56:54
build.
56:54
Whether
56:54
you're
56:55
a
56:55
children's
56:56
book
56:56
author
56:56
and
56:57
you're
56:57
trying
56:57
to
56:57
get
56:58
your
56:58
book
56:58
in
56:58
front
56:59
of
56:59
more
56:59
and
56:59
more
56:59
people
57:00
or
57:00
even
57:01
I
57:01
know
57:01
with
57:01
our
57:01
podcast
57:02
show,
57:02
it's
57:03
built
57:03
over
57:03
time
57:04
and
57:04
that's
57:05
how
57:05
you
57:05
have
57:05
to
57:05
look
57:05
at
57:06
it,
57:06
and
57:06
I'm
57:06
glad
57:06
you
57:06
said
57:07
that,
57:07
is
57:07
that
57:08
it's
57:08
not
57:08
a
57:08
sprint,
57:09
it's
57:09
a
57:09
marathon.
57:10
And
57:10
it
57:10
can
57:11
last
57:11
as
57:11
long
57:11
as
57:12
you
57:12
want
57:12
to
57:13
put
57:13
the
57:13
effort
57:13
into
57:14
having
57:15
it
57:15
last.
57:15
So
57:16
good
57:16
for
57:16
you
57:17
to
57:17
have
57:17
that.
57:17
Very
57:17
true.
57:18
Advice
57:19
for
57:19
aspiring
57:21
authors.
57:21
What
57:22
advice
57:22
would
57:22
you
57:22
give
57:23
someone
57:23
now
57:23
that
57:23
you've
57:24
been
57:24
through
57:24
this
57:25
whole
57:25
indie
57:25
book
57:25
publishing
57:26
process?
57:27
What
57:27
would
57:27
you
57:27
say
57:28
to
57:28
aspiring
57:29
children's
57:30
book
57:30
authors?
57:31
I'd
57:32
say,
57:33
if
57:33
you
57:34
want,
57:34
this
57:34
is
57:35
writing
57:35
in
57:35
general,
57:35
right?
57:36
You
57:37
can
57:37
write
57:37
something
57:38
and
57:38
it
57:38
can
57:38
just
57:38
be
57:39
for
57:39
you,
57:39
and
57:39
that's
57:40
totally
57:40
fine.
57:41
But
57:41
the
57:41
minute
57:42
you
57:42
want
57:42
it
57:42
to
57:42
be
57:42
for
57:43
other
57:43
people,
57:44
you
57:45
have
57:45
to
57:47
look
57:47
at
57:47
what
57:48
makes
57:48
a
57:48
children's
57:49
book
57:49
a
57:49
successful
57:49
children's
57:50
book,
57:50
right?
57:51
Yes.
57:51
So
57:53
a
57:53
lot
57:53
of
57:53
people
57:54
have
57:54
come
57:54
to
57:55
me
57:55
since,
57:55
like,
57:56
just
57:56
on
57:57
Facebook,
57:57
who
57:58
saw
57:58
that
57:58
I
57:58
did
57:58
a
57:58
children's
57:59
book,
57:59
and
57:59
they
57:59
wanted
58:00
to
58:00
pick
58:00
my
58:00
brain
58:01
about
58:01
it.
58:01
And
58:02
I
58:02
said
58:02
to
58:02
them,
58:03
you
58:04
need
58:04
to
58:04
have
58:04
a
58:04
book
58:04
designer
58:05
first.
58:06
That's
58:06
the
58:07
first
58:07
stop
58:08
you
58:08
need
58:08
to
58:08
get
58:08
that
58:09
template.
58:10
It's
58:10
so
58:10
important.
58:11
It
58:11
affects,
58:12
like,
58:12
bleed
58:13
your
58:13
margins.
58:14
Where
58:15
do
58:15
you
58:15
leave
58:15
white
58:16
space
58:16
in
58:16
the
58:16
book?
58:17
Things
58:17
that
58:17
you
58:18
never
58:18
even
58:18
think
58:18
of
58:18
when
58:19
you
58:19
look
58:19
at
58:19
a
58:19
children's
58:19
book.
58:19
When
58:20
you
58:20
look
58:20
at
58:20
a
58:20
children's
58:20
book,
58:20
you're
58:21
looking
58:21
at
58:21
the
58:21
story
58:21
and
58:21
the
58:21
illustrations.
58:22
You're
58:22
not
58:22
looking
58:22
at
58:23
how
58:23
the
58:24
book
58:24
came
58:24
together,
58:24
but
58:26
font
58:26
that's
58:27
picked,
58:27
like,
58:27
all
58:28
of
58:28
it.
58:29
So
58:29
find
58:29
yourself
58:30
a
58:30
great
58:31
book
58:31
designer.
58:33
A
58:33
lot
58:34
of
58:34
times
58:34
my
58:34
book
58:35
designer
58:35
gave
58:35
me
58:35
my
58:36
illustrator,
58:37
and
58:37
so
58:38
that
58:38
helped
58:38
because
58:39
I
58:39
did
58:39
have
58:39
an
58:40
illustrator
58:41
who
58:41
was
58:41
also
58:42
great
58:42
at
58:42
sketching.
58:43
Great.
58:44
And
58:44
a
58:44
great
58:44
person.
58:45
And
58:45
I've
58:45
known
58:45
him
58:45
for
58:46
a
58:46
long
58:46
time,
58:46
but
58:47
he
58:47
wasn't
58:47
really
58:48
a
58:48
children's
58:49
book
58:50
illustrator.
58:51
And
58:51
we
58:51
were
58:52
doing
58:52
it
58:52
together
58:52
because
58:53
we
58:53
knew
58:53
each
58:53
other.
58:54
I
58:54
realized
58:54
that
58:55
sketching
58:55
and
58:56
illustrating
58:57
a
58:57
children's
58:57
book
58:57
are
58:58
two
58:58
different
58:58
things.
58:59
It's
58:59
usually
59:00
takes
59:00
four
59:01
or
59:01
five
59:02
looking
59:02
at
59:02
four
59:03
or
59:03
five
59:03
different
59:03
illustrators
59:04
before
59:04
you
59:05
can
59:05
settle
59:05
on
59:05
one.
59:06
Once
59:06
you
59:06
see
59:07
the
59:07
style
59:07
that
59:07
you're
59:08
looking
59:08
for,
59:08
that's
59:09
why
59:09
it's
59:09
almost
59:10
like
59:10
a
59:10
aha
59:11
moment.
59:11
In
59:11
a
59:11
way.
59:12
Yeah.
59:13
No,
59:13
it
59:13
really
59:13
is,
59:14
because
59:15
I
59:15
reached
59:16
out
59:16
to
59:16
so
59:16
many
59:17
different
59:17
illustrators,
59:19
and
59:19
I
59:20
remember
59:21
I
59:21
asked
59:22
them,
59:22
can
59:23
you
59:23
do
59:23
a
59:23
sample?
59:23
Just
59:24
one
59:24
sketch,
59:24
just
59:25
one
59:25
page,
59:27
like
59:27
one
59:27
illustration,
59:28
so
59:28
I
59:28
can
59:28
see
59:29
what
59:30
I'm
59:30
getting?
59:31
If
59:31
you're
59:31
able
59:31
to
59:32
do
59:32
what's
59:32
in
59:32
my
59:32
head,
59:33
yes.
59:33
And
59:33
a
59:34
lot
59:34
of
59:35
the
59:35
illustrators
59:37
under
59:37
illustrated,
59:38
I.
59:38
They
59:38
maybe
59:39
gave
59:40
me
59:40
a
59:40
baby
59:42
and
59:42
nothing
59:42
else.
59:43
And
59:44
this
59:44
illustrator,
59:45
I
59:45
said,
59:45
this
59:46
is
59:46
how
59:46
I
59:46
see
59:46
the
59:46
book.
59:47
You
59:48
have
59:48
the
59:48
suggestion
59:49
and
59:50
then
59:50
you
59:50
have
59:50
the
59:51
bathtub
59:51
with
59:52
the
59:52
suggestion
59:53
in
59:54
process.
59:54
You
59:54
see
59:54
it
59:55
in
59:55
real
59:55
life,
59:55
in
59:56
real
59:56
time.
59:57
And
59:57
so
59:58
that
59:58
was
59:59
Nitam,
1:00:00
my
1:00:00
illustrator,
1:00:00
was
1:00:01
the
1:00:01
one
1:00:02
who
1:00:02
gave
1:00:02
me
1:00:03
the
1:00:03
bathtub
1:00:03
illustration
1:00:04
with
1:00:04
the
1:00:04
mom
1:00:05
on
1:00:05
the
1:00:05
surfboard
1:00:06
and
1:00:07
the
1:00:07
clown
1:00:07
fish
1:00:08
and
1:00:08
the
1:00:08
kid
1:00:08
grabbing
1:00:09
the
1:00:09
edge
1:00:09
and
1:00:10
everything
1:00:10
like
1:00:10
that.
1:00:10
And
1:00:11
it
1:00:11
was
1:00:11
like,
1:00:12
oh,
1:00:12
what's
1:00:13
in
1:00:13
my
1:00:13
head
1:00:13
is
1:00:13
possible?
1:00:14
That
1:00:14
was
1:00:14
the
1:00:15
other
1:00:15
thing.
1:00:15
It
1:00:15
was
1:00:15
like
1:00:16
I
1:00:16
have
1:00:16
this
1:00:16
vision
1:00:17
in
1:00:17
my
1:00:17
head,
1:00:17
but
1:00:18
I
1:00:18
work
1:00:18
in
1:00:19
television.
1:00:20
You're
1:00:21
putting
1:00:22
the
1:00:22
dialogue
1:00:23
in
1:00:23
the
1:00:23
action.
1:00:23
On
1:00:23
the
1:00:24
page,
1:00:24
but
1:00:24
then
1:00:24
actors
1:00:24
are
1:00:25
moving
1:00:26
and
1:00:26
doing
1:00:26
it,
1:00:26
and
1:00:26
this
1:00:27
is
1:00:27
frozen.
1:00:27
So
1:00:28
I'm
1:00:28
like,
1:00:28
maybe
1:00:29
I'm
1:00:29
too
1:00:29
much
1:00:29
a
1:00:29
TV
1:00:30
writer
1:00:30
and
1:00:30
not
1:00:30
a
1:00:30
children's
1:00:31
book
1:00:31
author.
1:00:32
And
1:00:32
so
1:00:32
when
1:00:32
I
1:00:33
saw
1:00:33
that,
1:00:33
I
1:00:33
really
1:00:34
went,
1:00:35
this
1:00:35
is
1:00:35
who
1:00:36
I'm
1:00:36
going
1:00:36
with.
1:00:36
And
1:00:37
I'm
1:00:37
sure
1:00:37
you
1:00:38
experienced
1:00:38
this
1:00:38
with
1:00:39
your
1:00:39
books.
1:00:40
And
1:00:40
this
1:00:40
was
1:00:40
helpful
1:00:41
to
1:00:41
me
1:00:41
that
1:00:41
I
1:00:41
had
1:00:41
a
1:00:41
friend
1:00:42
who
1:00:42
was
1:00:42
a
1:00:42
children's
1:00:42
book
1:00:42
author
1:00:43
and
1:00:43
illustrator.
1:00:43
She
1:00:44
said
1:00:44
to
1:00:44
me,
1:00:45
you
1:00:45
don't
1:00:45
want
1:00:45
someone
1:00:46
who
1:00:46
just
1:00:46
draws
1:00:47
the
1:00:47
text
1:00:47
on
1:00:48
the
1:00:48
page.
1:00:49
You
1:00:49
need
1:00:50
them
1:00:51
to
1:00:51
tell
1:00:51
the
1:00:51
part
1:00:51
of
1:00:52
the
1:00:52
story
1:00:52
that
1:00:52
the
1:00:53
text
1:00:53
doesn't
1:00:54
thing.
1:00:54
Illustrations
1:00:55
have
1:00:55
people,
1:00:56
like,
1:00:57
they
1:00:57
say,
1:00:57
a
1:00:57
picture
1:00:57
tells
1:00:58
a
1:00:58
thousand
1:00:58
words.
1:00:59
Yes.
1:00:59
Because
1:01:00
it's
1:01:00
then
1:01:00
open
1:01:00
to
1:01:01
interpretation.
1:01:01
Besides
1:01:02
your
1:01:02
words,
1:01:03
people
1:01:03
think
1:01:05
outside
1:01:05
of
1:01:05
the
1:01:05
book.
1:01:07
Yeah.
1:01:07
And
1:01:07
this
1:01:08
book
1:01:08
was
1:01:09
a
1:01:09
challenge,
1:01:09
I
1:01:09
think
1:01:10
too,
1:01:10
for
1:01:11
any
1:01:11
illustrator,
1:01:12
because
1:01:13
there
1:01:13
are
1:01:13
so
1:01:13
many
1:01:14
people
1:01:14
in
1:01:15
it
1:01:15
giving
1:01:16
the
1:01:16
suggestions.
1:01:17
And
1:01:17
originally,
1:01:18
when
1:01:19
Nidham
1:01:19
did
1:01:20
his
1:01:20
first
1:01:20
pass,
1:01:21
he
1:01:22
would
1:01:22
have
1:01:22
the
1:01:22
police
1:01:22
officer
1:01:23
in
1:01:23
the
1:01:23
bathroom
1:01:24
with
1:01:24
the
1:01:25
mom
1:01:25
and
1:01:25
the
1:01:25
kid
1:01:26
giving
1:01:26
the
1:01:26
suggestion.
1:01:27
And
1:01:27
I
1:01:28
remember
1:01:28
looking
1:01:28
at
1:01:28
it
1:01:28
and
1:01:29
being
1:01:29
like,
1:01:29
this
1:01:29
is
1:01:30
too
1:01:30
busy.
1:01:31
The
1:01:31
story
1:01:31
is
1:01:32
getting
1:01:32
lost.
1:01:32
And
1:01:33
I
1:01:33
know
1:01:33
the
1:01:33
story.
1:01:34
And
1:01:34
so
1:01:34
that's
1:01:34
when
1:01:35
I
1:01:35
decided,
1:01:36
let's
1:01:36
just
1:01:37
have
1:01:37
it
1:01:37
be
1:01:38
whatever
1:01:39
the
1:01:39
suggestion
1:01:39
is.
1:01:40
And
1:01:40
the
1:01:40
hands
1:01:41
holding
1:01:41
it.
1:01:42
So
1:01:42
that
1:01:42
way
1:01:43
it
1:01:44
was
1:01:44
very
1:01:44
clear
1:01:44
and
1:01:45
very
1:01:45
kid
1:01:45
like.
1:01:46
So
1:01:46
that's.
1:01:47
That's
1:01:47
what
1:01:48
I
1:01:48
would
1:01:49
say
1:01:49
when
1:01:49
you.
1:01:49
One
1:01:50
of
1:01:50
the
1:01:50
pieces
1:01:50
of
1:01:50
advice
1:01:51
is
1:01:51
when
1:01:52
you
1:01:52
get
1:01:52
the
1:01:52
illustrations,
1:01:54
don't
1:01:54
just
1:01:54
be
1:01:55
like,
1:01:55
okay,
1:01:55
this
1:01:55
is
1:01:55
what
1:01:55
the
1:01:56
illustrator
1:01:56
did.
1:01:56
And
1:01:56
I
1:01:57
have
1:01:57
to
1:01:57
take
1:01:58
this
1:01:58
and
1:01:58
this
1:01:59
is
1:01:59
the
1:01:59
illustration.
1:02:00
Because
1:02:00
that's
1:02:00
the
1:02:00
beautiful
1:02:01
thing
1:02:01
about
1:02:01
it
1:02:02
is
1:02:02
I
1:02:02
was
1:02:03
fortunate
1:02:03
because
1:02:04
our
1:02:04
illustrator
1:02:05
was
1:02:05
just
1:02:06
as
1:02:06
you're
1:02:06
describing,
1:02:07
was
1:02:08
happy
1:02:08
to
1:02:08
jump
1:02:08
in
1:02:09
and
1:02:09
listen
1:02:10
to
1:02:10
what
1:02:10
we
1:02:10
had
1:02:10
to
1:02:11
say.
1:02:11
And
1:02:11
that
1:02:11
was
1:02:11
very
1:02:12
important
1:02:12
encouragement
1:02:13
for
1:02:13
readers.
1:02:14
So
1:02:15
talk
1:02:15
to
1:02:15
us
1:02:15
about
1:02:16
why
1:02:16
should
1:02:16
people
1:02:17
purchase
1:02:17
your
1:02:17
book?
1:02:19
I
1:02:19
think
1:02:19
people
1:02:20
should
1:02:20
purchase
1:02:20
it
1:02:21
because
1:02:23
for
1:02:23
two
1:02:23
reasons.
1:02:24
I
1:02:24
think
1:02:24
that
1:02:25
the
1:02:25
book
1:02:25
is
1:02:26
unique
1:02:26
and
1:02:26
then
1:02:27
it
1:02:27
speaks
1:02:27
to
1:02:27
parents
1:02:28
and
1:02:28
kids
1:02:29
at
1:02:29
the
1:02:29
same
1:02:29
time.
1:02:30
It
1:02:31
has
1:02:31
a
1:02:31
lot
1:02:31
of
1:02:32
fun,
1:02:33
exaggerated,
1:02:35
hyperbolic,
1:02:36
wild
1:02:36
and
1:02:37
crazy
1:02:37
illustrations
1:02:38
that
1:02:39
make
1:02:40
it
1:02:40
very
1:02:40
appealing
1:02:41
to
1:02:41
a
1:02:41
child.
1:02:42
It
1:02:42
also
1:02:42
has
1:02:42
the
1:02:43
counting
1:02:43
that
1:02:43
is
1:02:44
like
1:02:44
very
1:02:44
much
1:02:45
learning.
1:02:46
I
1:02:46
think
1:02:47
it
1:02:47
also
1:02:48
has
1:02:49
a
1:02:49
very
1:02:49
sweet
1:02:50
and
1:02:50
relatable
1:02:51
message
1:02:51
to
1:02:52
it.
1:02:53
And
1:02:53
I'm
1:02:53
going
1:02:54
to
1:02:54
sound
1:02:54
like
1:02:54
a
1:02:54
broken
1:02:54
record
1:02:55
because
1:02:55
I
1:02:55
said
1:02:55
it
1:02:55
earlier,
1:02:56
there's
1:02:56
not
1:02:56
very
1:02:57
many
1:02:57
books
1:02:57
out
1:02:58
there
1:02:58
that
1:02:58
are
1:02:59
from
1:02:59
the
1:02:59
parents
1:03:00
perspective
1:03:00
and
1:03:00
that
1:03:01
have
1:03:01
an
1:03:01
actual
1:03:02
human
1:03:02
being
1:03:03
as
1:03:03
the
1:03:03
parent.
1:03:04
And
1:03:04
when
1:03:04
your
1:03:05
kids
1:03:05
read
1:03:06
a
1:03:06
book
1:03:06
where
1:03:06
they
1:03:06
see
1:03:06
the
1:03:07
parents
1:03:07
struggle
1:03:07
and
1:03:08
fall
1:03:08
down
1:03:08
and
1:03:08
get
1:03:08
back
1:03:09
up,
1:03:09
it
1:03:09
teaches
1:03:09
them
1:03:10
empathy
1:03:11
and
1:03:11
resilience
1:03:11
and
1:03:11
I
1:03:12
think
1:03:12
it
1:03:12
for
1:03:12
parents.
1:03:13
It's
1:03:13
not
1:03:13
about.
1:03:14
My
1:03:14
book
1:03:14
is
1:03:15
not
1:03:15
about
1:03:15
teaching
1:03:16
parents
1:03:17
patience,
1:03:18
telling
1:03:18
them
1:03:19
you
1:03:19
need
1:03:19
to
1:03:19
have
1:03:20
patience.
1:03:20
It's
1:03:20
not.
1:03:21
It's
1:03:21
about,
1:03:22
I
1:03:22
see
1:03:22
you
1:03:23
and
1:03:23
you
1:03:23
see
1:03:24
yourself
1:03:24
in
1:03:24
the
1:03:24
pages
1:03:25
of
1:03:25
this
1:03:25
book,
1:03:26
and
1:03:27
hopefully
1:03:27
the
1:03:28
realize
1:03:29
that
1:03:29
you're
1:03:29
not
1:03:30
doing
1:03:30
anything
1:03:30
wrong.
1:03:31
These
1:03:32
are
1:03:32
little
1:03:33
human
1:03:33
beings,
1:03:33
and
1:03:34
their
1:03:34
brains
1:03:34
aren't
1:03:34
fully
1:03:35
developed
1:03:35
yet.
1:03:35
There's
1:03:36
not
1:03:36
going
1:03:36
to
1:03:36
be
1:03:36
a
1:03:36
quick
1:03:37
fix
1:03:37
all
1:03:37
the
1:03:37
time
1:03:37
for
1:03:38
when
1:03:38
they're
1:03:39
melting
1:03:39
down.
1:03:39
I
1:03:39
couldn't
1:03:40
agree
1:03:40
with
1:03:40
him
1:03:41
more.
1:03:41
Final
1:03:41
thoughts.
1:03:42
Allison,
1:03:42
is
1:03:43
there
1:03:43
something
1:03:43
that
1:03:44
you're
1:03:45
thinking
1:03:45
to
1:03:45
yourself?
1:03:46
Oh,
1:03:46
I
1:03:46
wish
1:03:46
Rick
1:03:47
would
1:03:47
have
1:03:47
asked
1:03:47
me
1:03:47
that
1:03:48
question.
1:03:49
Is
1:03:49
there
1:03:49
anything
1:03:50
you'd
1:03:50
like
1:03:50
to
1:03:50
share?
1:03:52
Oh,
1:03:52
that's
1:03:53
a.
1:03:53
There's
1:03:53
always
1:03:54
one
1:03:54
question
1:03:55
that
1:03:55
you're
1:03:55
like,
1:03:55
wow,
1:03:56
that.
1:03:56
That's
1:03:56
a
1:03:56
good
1:03:57
question.
1:03:57
And
1:03:57
it's
1:03:57
a
1:03:58
little
1:03:58
bit
1:03:58
of
1:03:59
a
1:03:59
challenging
1:04:00
question,
1:04:00
I
1:04:00
guess
1:04:01
I
1:04:01
would
1:04:01
say
1:04:03
that's
1:04:03
a
1:04:03
question
1:04:03
that
1:04:03
I
1:04:04
would
1:04:04
think,
1:04:04
oh,
1:04:04
a
1:04:05
question
1:04:05
that
1:04:06
I
1:04:07
get
1:04:07
asked
1:04:08
sometimes
1:04:08
is
1:04:09
just
1:04:09
the
1:04:09
difference
1:04:10
between
1:04:11
writing
1:04:12
dark
1:04:13
crime
1:04:14
procedures
1:04:15
and
1:04:15
transitioning
1:04:16
to
1:04:16
something
1:04:16
much
1:04:17
lighter
1:04:17
and
1:04:18
comedic.
1:04:19
And
1:04:19
I
1:04:19
think
1:04:19
there's
1:04:20
this
1:04:21
misconception
1:04:22
sometimes
1:04:22
with
1:04:22
writers
1:04:23
that
1:04:24
you
1:04:24
can
1:04:24
only
1:04:25
write
1:04:25
one
1:04:25
kind
1:04:25
of
1:04:26
story.
1:04:27
And
1:04:27
we
1:04:27
have
1:04:28
so
1:04:28
many
1:04:28
stories
1:04:29
in
1:04:29
us.
1:04:29
We
1:04:29
have
1:04:30
stories
1:04:31
being
1:04:32
a
1:04:32
wife,
1:04:32
a
1:04:33
mother,
1:04:33
a
1:04:33
girlfriend,
1:04:34
a
1:04:34
teacher,
1:04:35
a
1:04:36
nurse,
1:04:36
a
1:04:37
doctor.
1:04:37
We
1:04:37
have
1:04:38
so
1:04:38
many
1:04:38
stories
1:04:39
in
1:04:39
us
1:04:40
that
1:04:41
we're
1:04:41
not
1:04:41
just
1:04:41
one
1:04:42
dimension.
1:04:43
If
1:04:43
you
1:04:44
have
1:04:44
an
1:04:44
idea
1:04:45
for
1:04:46
a
1:04:46
silly
1:04:47
children's
1:04:48
book,
1:04:48
sit
1:04:48
down
1:04:49
and
1:04:49
write
1:04:49
it.
1:04:49
You're
1:04:50
never
1:04:50
gonna
1:04:52
regret
1:04:53
doing
1:04:53
something
1:04:54
that
1:04:54
you
1:04:55
feel
1:04:55
passionately
1:04:56
about.
1:04:56
And
1:04:56
so
1:04:56
I
1:04:56
think
1:04:57
sometimes
1:04:58
the
1:04:58
thought
1:04:58
is,
1:04:59
oh,
1:04:59
if
1:04:59
you
1:04:59
do
1:04:59
dark
1:05:00
procedurals,
1:05:01
like,
1:05:01
how
1:05:01
do
1:05:01
you
1:05:01
make
1:05:01
this
1:05:02
transition?
1:05:02
And
1:05:03
it's
1:05:03
kind
1:05:03
of
1:05:03
funny,
1:05:04
too.
1:05:04
Just
1:05:04
because
1:05:05
I
1:05:06
write
1:05:06
a
1:05:06
dark
1:05:06
show
1:05:06
doesn't
1:05:07
mean
1:05:07
I
1:05:07
don't
1:05:07
have
1:05:07
light
1:05:08
moments
1:05:08
in
1:05:09
my
1:05:09
life.
1:05:09
I
1:05:09
agree
1:05:09
with
1:05:10
you
1:05:10
more,
1:05:10
because
1:05:10
you
1:05:11
know
1:05:11
what?
1:05:11
I
1:05:11
co
1:05:12
authored
1:05:12
our
1:05:13
first
1:05:13
two
1:05:13
books.
1:05:13
I've
1:05:13
co
1:05:14
authored
1:05:14
with
1:05:14
my
1:05:15
oldest
1:05:15
granddaughter,
1:05:16
and
1:05:16
then
1:05:16
I
1:05:17
co
1:05:17
authored
1:05:17
with
1:05:17
my
1:05:18
middle
1:05:18
and
1:05:18
oldest
1:05:19
granddaughter,
1:05:20
and
1:05:20
we've
1:05:20
written
1:05:21
38
1:05:21
stories.
1:05:22
Now,
1:05:22
of
1:05:22
course,
1:05:22
like
1:05:23
we
1:05:23
were
1:05:23
talking
1:05:23
about
1:05:24
before,
1:05:24
the
1:05:25
cost
1:05:25
to
1:05:25
get
1:05:26
them
1:05:26
produced
1:05:27
into
1:05:27
a
1:05:27
print
1:05:27
copy
1:05:28
is
1:05:28
quite
1:05:29
expensive
1:05:29
at
1:05:30
some
1:05:30
point,
1:05:30
but
1:05:30
we
1:05:31
have
1:05:31
turned
1:05:31
about
1:05:32
half
1:05:32
of
1:05:32
them
1:05:33
into
1:05:33
audiobooks,
1:05:34
and
1:05:35
all
1:05:35
my
1:05:35
grandchildren
1:05:36
have
1:05:37
all
1:05:37
helped
1:05:38
write
1:05:38
one
1:05:38
or
1:05:38
two
1:05:39
stories.
1:05:40
And
1:05:41
so
1:05:41
they
1:05:41
come
1:05:41
up
1:05:41
from
1:05:42
their
1:05:42
own
1:05:42
perspective.
1:05:43
So
1:05:43
you
1:05:43
hit
1:05:43
it
1:05:43
right
1:05:43
on
1:05:44
the
1:05:44
button.
1:05:45
All
1:05:45
of
1:05:45
us
1:05:45
have
1:05:46
all
1:05:46
these
1:05:46
stories.
1:05:47
So,
1:05:48
Alison,
1:05:48
I
1:05:49
want
1:05:49
to
1:05:49
thank
1:05:49
you
1:05:49
so
1:05:49
much
1:05:50
for
1:05:50
being
1:05:50
a
1:05:50
guest
1:05:50
on
1:05:51
the
1:05:51
Adventures
1:05:51
in
1:05:51
the
1:05:52
Heart
1:05:52
of
1:05:52
Children's
1:05:52
Book
1:05:53
Authors
1:05:53
podcast.
1:05:54
Your
1:05:54
generosity
1:05:55
of
1:05:55
time,
1:05:56
your
1:05:56
insights
1:05:57
will
1:05:57
significantly
1:05:58
benefit
1:05:58
other
1:05:59
aspiring
1:06:00
children's
1:06:00
book
1:06:01
authors.
1:06:02
And
1:06:02
we
1:06:02
promise
1:06:03
to
1:06:03
provide
1:06:03
the
1:06:04
audience
1:06:04
with
1:06:04
Alison's
1:06:05
website
1:06:05
and
1:06:06
social
1:06:06
media
1:06:06
links.
1:06:07
And
1:06:07
if
1:06:08
you've
1:06:08
enjoyed
1:06:08
this
1:06:08
episode,
1:06:09
please
1:06:09
hit
1:06:10
the
1:06:10
subscribe
1:06:10
button
1:06:11
and
1:06:11
listen
1:06:12
to
1:06:12
our
1:06:12
future
1:06:12
episodes.
1:06:13
And
1:06:14
feel
1:06:14
free
1:06:14
to
1:06:15
share
1:06:15
this
1:06:15
episode
1:06:16
with
1:06:16
anyone
1:06:17
you
1:06:18
feel
1:06:18
will
1:06:18
be
1:06:18
inspired
1:06:19
by
1:06:20
or
1:06:20
who
1:06:20
enjoys
1:06:21
hearing
1:06:21
about
1:06:21
Allison
1:06:22
and
1:06:22
her
1:06:23
children's
1:06:23
book,
1:06:24
Thatcher
1:06:25
Hates
1:06:25
the
1:06:25
Bath.
1:06:26
So
1:06:26
thank
1:06:27
you,
1:06:27
Allison.