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UK Column News Podcast 2nd October 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the two of October twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock work of the UK column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Robinson joining me in the studio
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Speaker 1: today Charles Mallett. Welcome to the program, Charles MiG and
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Speaker 1: from Damascus. As usual, Vanessa Bailey, we are going to
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Speaker 1: get started with events in the Middle East and with
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Speaker 1: Keir Starmer. And there's probably a health warning required for this.
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Speaker 1: If anybody is feeling in any way queasy, it's about
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Speaker 1: to get worse. Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 2: Good evening. In the last few hours, the Iranian regime
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Speaker 2: has launched over two hundred ballistic missiles at civilian targets
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Speaker 2: in Israel. It's too soon to assess the impactfully, but
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Speaker 2: I utterly condemn this attempt by the Iranian regime to
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Speaker 2: harm innocent Israelis, to escalate this in incredibly dangerous situation
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Speaker 2: and push the region ever closer to the brink.
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Speaker 1: So that was Starmer's comments. Everybody can make their own
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Speaker 1: judgment about those, but let's have a look at John Healy,
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Speaker 1: then our Secretary State for War, and this is what
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Speaker 1: he had to say. I completely condemn Iran's attack on Israel.
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Speaker 1: British forces have this evening played their part in attempts
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Speaker 1: to prevent further escalation in the Middle East. Now this
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Speaker 1: falls on from the citye the Iranian attack in April,
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Speaker 1: when British jets were claimed to have shot down a
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Speaker 1: number of drones. These were, sorry, the UK military, the
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Speaker 1: UK Air Force, the RAF shooting down these drones as
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Speaker 1: part of what they were calling Operation Shitter, and this
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Speaker 1: is actually shooting them done in Syrian airspace as it were.
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Speaker 1: But Heley went on to say this, he said, the
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Speaker 1: UK stands fully but Israel's right to defend its country
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Speaker 1: and its people against threats. So this is already being
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Speaker 1: unsurprisingly perhaps framed as a matter of defense. But Vanessa,
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Speaker 1: what's been the liddst.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean the extraordinary thing. I'll come onto the
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Speaker 3: Uranian attack. But actually they only targeted military basis and installations,
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Speaker 3: and as far as I know to date, there were
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Speaker 3: no civilians harmed, which of course is the exact opposite
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Speaker 3: of any Israeli operation that has no.
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Speaker 4: Regard whatsoever for civilian life.
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Speaker 3: So this is our deer or your deer, David Lammi.
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Speaker 3: So initially, the first thing I heard about. It was
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Speaker 3: an IOF spokesperson saying that the US has informed Israel
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Speaker 3: that Iran is intending to launch missiles. So this was
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Speaker 3: last night, I think around five or six o'clock. Minister
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Speaker 3: who has asked its Iranian counterparts for Iran to exercise restraint,
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Speaker 3: and of course that's the messaging that we've continuously been
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Speaker 3: getting from the UK, the EU, and the US. Then
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Speaker 3: the next thing that I saw, basically was this map
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Speaker 3: of the alert sirens in the occupied territories of Palestine,
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Speaker 3: and you can see that the map turned red before
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Speaker 3: our eyes. We all assumed at that point or something
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Speaker 3: was incoming. The next thing that I personally saw were
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Speaker 3: the missiles passing overhead in the skies of Syria.
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Speaker 5: So at that point we definitely knew.
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Speaker 4: You know, that the attack had begun.
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Speaker 3: So I'm going to first of all, just look at
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Speaker 3: the responses today or yesterday. This was in Politico Israel
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Speaker 3: vow as consequences for Iran after the missile barrage. Netanyahu said,
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Speaker 3: Iran made a big mistake in attacking Israel and we'll
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Speaker 3: pay for it. Then let's have another quick look at
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Speaker 3: the article itself. So again, Iran will face the consequences.
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Speaker 3: The promise of retaliation from Israel raises the danger of
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Speaker 3: a heightened cycle of violence. And then, speaking at a
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Speaker 3: televised to dress several hours after the attack, Netanyahu said,
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Speaker 3: Iran has made a big mistate.
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Speaker 5: Those who attack us, we attack them.
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Speaker 3: Of course, no mention of the fact that Israel has
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Speaker 3: been pounding Lebanon and carried out the assassination of Ishmael
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Speaker 3: Hanir back in July in Tehran, and of course the
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Speaker 3: assassination of the Secretary General of Hospol Sayad Hassan Nasran
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Speaker 3: a few days ago. This was in the US Naval
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Speaker 3: Institute News use a US warships fire a dozen interceptors
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Speaker 3: against Iranian missile attack, and then have a look again
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Speaker 3: at the messaging within the text.
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Speaker 4: Of the article.
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Speaker 3: We condemn these reckless attacks by Iran and we call
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Speaker 3: on Run to halt any further attacks, including from its
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Speaker 3: proxy forces. So we can see where the framing is
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Speaker 3: heading on both sides of the Atlantic year. I just
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Speaker 3: wanted to compare this to these claims that Israel has
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Speaker 3: a right to self defense, that the US, the UK,
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Speaker 3: and the EU will stand behind.
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Speaker 5: Whatever decision that Israel makes but let's have a look at.
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Speaker 4: A video of Matthew D. Miller the US.
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Speaker 3: Statement spoken when he's challenged about the murder of said
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Speaker 3: Hassan in ISRAELA by eighty five two thousand pound bombs
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Speaker 3: that were dropped in a densely populated civilian area in
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Speaker 3: southern Beirut.
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Speaker 4: Let's play that. What we have definitely not seen is restraints.
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Speaker 6: And you talked about involving two sides, but on this
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Speaker 6: we have seen a very sharp escalation by the Israelis
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Speaker 6: says your call for restraint has failed.
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Speaker 7: So we continue to call for a diplomatic resolution. But
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Speaker 7: at the same time, as I said, HESBLA has continued
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Speaker 7: to launch rockets that have kept Israeli civilians from returning
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Speaker 7: to their home. And Israel absolutely, along with any along
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Speaker 7: with every country in the world, has a right to
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Speaker 7: defend itself from terrorist and it also has a right
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Speaker 7: to go after legitimate terrorist targets like Hassana Estralla, and
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Speaker 7: we support them taking those steps, just as we have
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Speaker 7: brought terrorists who targeted American citizens to justice over time.
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Speaker 7: But that said, we long term want to see a
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Speaker 7: diplomatic resolution. That's what we're continuing to pursue.
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Speaker 5: I'll let you join your own conclusions from that.
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Speaker 3: These were two Zionists aligned well, and Zionists actually commentators
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Speaker 3: on X last night, Barrick Ravid, who's I think foreign
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Speaker 3: correspondent for Axios, the US official told me the Iranian
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Speaker 3: attack was defeated by the US and Israel and was
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Speaker 3: in effective.
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Speaker 4: It's a great success.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Eli David, who actually deleted the post, claimed that
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Speaker 3: one of the videos that were showing the missile strikes
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Speaker 3: in central Palestine or the occupied territories, claimed that the
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Speaker 3: video was reversed and that these are Israel's interceptor missiles
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Speaker 3: being launched, as you can see, was contested even by
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Speaker 3: the community notes there are claims that among the various
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Speaker 3: targets that were hit, I'll come on to that.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, I've missed out the video.
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Speaker 3: If we can now just play, Bearing in mind that
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Speaker 3: the West and Israel are claiming that ninety seven percent
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Speaker 3: of those missiles were intercepted. I'll leave you again to
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Speaker 3: draw your own conclusions. Irana saying eighty percent hit their targets,
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Speaker 3: we can aim for let's say something in between. But
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Speaker 3: if you watch this compilation of a number of the
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Speaker 3: videos that were being put out, mostly filmed by Palestinians.
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Speaker 3: I have to say, you can draw your own conclusions
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Speaker 3: as to how many actually they hit their targets.
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Speaker 8: All damn uh, you're a bull.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, okay, guys, we gotta get off the roof.
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Speaker 9: These are coming down right next to us here. They're
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Speaker 9: coming down one just about. We gotta go and say.
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Speaker 10: You my name, no you.
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Speaker 8: Yea.
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Speaker 3: So as I say, you can draw your own conclusions
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Speaker 3: from that. But a huge number I do appear to
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Speaker 3: have hit target. And I'll come on to what the
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Speaker 3: targets were shortly. There are claims on social media and
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Speaker 3: various media reports from the region that the attacks reportedly
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Speaker 3: destroyed a number of F thirty five stealth fighter jets
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Speaker 3: and never Team Air Base, which was one of the
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Speaker 3: bases hit, and F fifteen's in another b could be
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Speaker 3: had storing. These reports are not confirmed yet, but those
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Speaker 3: two bases definitely took a series of hits.
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Speaker 4: There are also reports.
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Speaker 3: That the gas fields or gas platforms off the coast
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Speaker 3: of the occupied territories were hit, and there was a
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Speaker 3: video this morning of them burning, but I wasn't able
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Speaker 3: to verify the video before I came on but also
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Speaker 3: just confirmation here in the next video from CNN of
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Speaker 3: the fact that missiles did hit in the center of
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Speaker 3: Tel Aviv, actually targeting the MASSA headquarters there.
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Speaker 4: So let's just have a look at this.
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Speaker 11: The US intelview that among the targets were Israeli airfields.
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Speaker 11: But also, and this is crucial, the headquarters of MASSA,
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Speaker 11: the International Intelligence Service of Israel, which is inside Tel Aviv.
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Speaker 11: It's in the northern part of Tel Aviv, but it's
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Speaker 11: in the city. It's in a densely populated area, and
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Speaker 11: of course the concern is if you're firing, even though
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Speaker 11: Iran might consider that a military target, it is in
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Speaker 11: a densely populated city with civilians around it.
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Speaker 3: So of course that does mean that I've pointed out
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Speaker 3: on many occasions that Israel in stalls it's military and
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Speaker 3: intelligence headquarters in the center of a civilian area in
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Speaker 3: Tel Aviv. And as I've said, Iran did not target civilians,
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Speaker 3: and to date there has not been any civilians reported
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Speaker 3: killed in the occupied territories. Now, these are images of
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Speaker 3: the control and command headquarters in Iran. The chief of
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Speaker 3: Staff of Iran, Iran's armed forces. Among who's the guy
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Speaker 3: on the left or yes. Among our targets were Israel's
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Speaker 3: three main air bases, Mossads, terror headquarters, radar sites and
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Speaker 3: gathering sites of armored vehicles around the Gaza Strip responsible
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Speaker 3: for the genocide in Gaza.
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Speaker 4: Only military sites were targeted.
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Speaker 5: And then this is from al Akbai English which you.
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Speaker 3: Can follow on telegram General Staff of Iranian Armed Forces.
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Speaker 3: Iran does not abandon its legitimate right to self defense
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Speaker 3: in the face of any aggression and will make any
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Speaker 3: vile aggressor, regardless of their level, regret their actions.
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Speaker 5: If the aggressor entity.
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Speaker 3: Israel, retaliates, it should expect widespread and comprehensive destruction of
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Speaker 3: its infrastructure in the occupied Palestinian territories. In the event
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Speaker 3: of direct intervention by the country supporting the entity which
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Speaker 3: causes the UK and the US in its aggression against Iran,
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Speaker 3: their centers and interests across the region will be simultaneously
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Speaker 3: targeted by a powerful attack from the Iranian Armed Forces.
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Speaker 3: So here we have actually Iran directly challenging NATO member
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Speaker 3: states in the region. Quite extraordinary events. And there was
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Speaker 3: a later video which showed one of the impacts next
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Speaker 3: to the Mossad headquarters, describing it as a creator thirty
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Speaker 3: foot by fifty foot deep. The other information that I've
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Speaker 3: received is that Iran was effectively using old stocks of
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Speaker 3: ballistic missiles.
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Speaker 4: There are reports of hypersonic that I think is entirely.
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Speaker 3: Untrue, but what they were basically using is fairly old technology.
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Speaker 3: But they still managed to penetrate the Israeli ad events.
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Speaker 3: So the Iron Dome, the David slain, they Arrow one
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Speaker 3: and two, and the US attempts to intercept during the attack.
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Speaker 3: So I think this has exposed the vulnerability of Israel
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Speaker 3: to an.
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Speaker 4: Attack of this kind.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Vanessa. I mean, you know, just listening to
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Speaker 1: that statement from the General staff, are inly in armed quarters.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's clearing a legitimate rights self defense, and yeah, it
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Speaker 1: becomes perpetuating, doesn't it under those circumstances of just listening
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Speaker 1: to Tom Tugan had to, of course in the running
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Speaker 1: for the Tory Party leadership this morning talking about this,
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Speaker 1: and he's talking about it in terms of language of
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Speaker 1: needing an international coalition to deal with Iran. And we're
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Speaker 1: heading right back to the beginning of the twenty first
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Speaker 1: century here two thousand and one again and pushing this
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Speaker 1: narrative of regime change once again. Iran, as we know,
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Speaker 1: was on the target list for the United States and
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Speaker 1: the UK for many many years now a few decades.
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Speaker 1: And I just would like to get your comment on
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Speaker 1: this because countries like Iran, Russia as well to some
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Speaker 1: degree are sort of in a really on a hiding
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Speaker 1: to nothing here because if they exercise their right to
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Speaker 1: self defense, it will always be presented as big and
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Speaker 1: aggressive act and when in fact, if we look over
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Speaker 1: the last lot of decades, we have mainly been the aggressors.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I did actually talk about this about
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Speaker 3: an hour before the attack with said Mohammed Mirandi and
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Speaker 3: Kivoka Masian, And you know the fact is that that
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Speaker 3: Hesbula and Iran have been trying to actually de escalate,
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Speaker 3: to restrict the backwards and forwards of attacks. But it
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Speaker 3: reaches a point where when you're trying to deal from
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Speaker 3: a basis of international law and integrity and morality, but
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Speaker 3: the enemy isn't The enemy is basically violating every single
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Speaker 3: international law and Geneva Convention and is showing absolutely nothing
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Speaker 3: but in humanity towards civilians. At some point you have
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Speaker 3: to take a stand and say well, okay, it's going
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Speaker 3: to happen anyway, just as it did in Ukraine. We
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Speaker 3: have to take a preemptive action, and that I believe
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Speaker 3: is exactly what he were on has decided to do.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, thank you. Well let's move on then to
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Speaker 1: the situation more broadly with respect to war, and let's
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Speaker 1: bring the wonderful Yen Stottenberg on screen. We go to
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Speaker 1: say bye bye the YenS, because as of yesterday he
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Speaker 1: is no longer Secretary General of NATO. So bye bye Yence,
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Speaker 1: and hello to Mark Rudda. So here's John Heay, our
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Speaker 1: Secretary State for War, saying thank you to Yen Stottenberg
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Speaker 1: for you a decade of outstanding leadership at NATO. You've
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Speaker 1: strengthened our alliance and our collective defense. UK commitment to
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Speaker 1: NATO is unshakable. We should look forward to working with
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Speaker 1: Secretary General NATO the new one, with ironclad support for
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Speaker 1: Ukraine and for our allies. And of course this was
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Speaker 1: very much a feature of Mark Rudda. Here he is,
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Speaker 1: he waves at everybody when he arrives on stage. He's
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Speaker 1: clearly very happy to be in the job. He said,
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Speaker 1: thank you the Yents for the work that he's done
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Speaker 1: and so on. But we have a little bit of
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Speaker 1: video here from this clip. Let's just have listened to
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Speaker 1: a few seconds of what Mark rud had to say.
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Speaker 12: But you must go further and faster to meet the
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Speaker 12: enormous challenge ahead. We need more better equipped forces, a
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Speaker 12: more robust trans atlantic defense industry, increased defense production capacity,
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Speaker 12: greater investment and innovation, and secure supply chains.
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Speaker 1: So secure supply chain is very important. We'll come on
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Speaker 1: to that in a second. That the main focus of
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Speaker 1: his presentation though was support for Ukraine and his determination
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Speaker 1: to see Ukraine in NATO. So clearly no stepping back
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Speaker 1: from that position. In fact, they're accelerating that process now
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Speaker 1: or at least they will be under his leadership. But
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Speaker 1: on the supply chains front, everybody would be glad to know. Well,
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Speaker 1: first of all, we'll mention this from March this year,
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Speaker 1: UK chip plant could close following Apple order loss. So
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Speaker 1: this is talking about reports in the Daily Telegraph talking
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Speaker 1: about a factory in the UK run by a company
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Speaker 1: called Coherent, which runs its twenty nine thousand square meter
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Speaker 1: fabrication laborate laboratory in Newton Aycliffe. And this is in
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Speaker 1: Durham that was at risk of going out of business
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Speaker 1: because of the loss of an order of a big
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Speaker 1: order from Apple. But don't worry because the UK government,
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Speaker 1: in order to protect supply chains, has decided to buy
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Speaker 1: that plant and so now the UK is the owner
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Speaker 1: of a semiconductor plant. This is the Ministry of Defense
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Speaker 1: jobs in crucial supply chain the UK Defense has been
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Speaker 1: secured after the acquisition of a semiconductor factory by the
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Speaker 1: Ministry of Defense. John Heay was visiting there on Friday.
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Speaker 1: This is the only secure facility in the UK with
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Speaker 1: the skills and capability to manufacture gallium marsennight semiconductors. This
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Speaker 1: is they're describing this as strategic investment and it's going
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Speaker 1: to ensure the facility is capable of producing gallian arsenide
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Speaker 1: semiconductor as well as more powerful semiconductors in the future
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Speaker 1: used in a number of military platforms, including to boost
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Speaker 1: feather jet capabilities. But don't worry. This will underpin future
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Speaker 1: technologies such as artificial intelligence, quantum and six G so
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Speaker 1: they're very excited about that. But in order to keep
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Speaker 1: wrapping up the war narrative, we have Norad here who
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Speaker 1: were a bit upset with the Russians because they were
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Speaker 1: stalking a Russian bomber a couple of days ago in
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Speaker 1: the Alaska Arctic region. And we'll just show the little
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Speaker 1: bit of video here because unfortunately something happened. So there
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Speaker 1: they are. This is F sixteen that the video was
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Speaker 1: being taken from. And oh dear, I don't know who
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Speaker 1: was driving that, but it was a bit of a
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Speaker 1: near miss, I would have said. Anyway, they were very
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Speaker 1: upset that the Russians did this, that the Russians would
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Speaker 1: dare to, you know, bearing in mind that this was
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Speaker 1: international airspace and there was no reason at all why
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Speaker 1: anybody should be stalking anybody. The Russians clearly are getting
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Speaker 1: a bit annoyed with it or having fun with it. Anyway.
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Speaker 10: I don't know what your thoughts are on that great flying.
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Speaker 1: It was great flying, yes, And well let's move on
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Speaker 1: fromt warfare then and come back to the UK. And well,
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Speaker 1: we're starting off with farming, but this may be more,
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Speaker 1: but vaccinations.
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Speaker 10: What it is, and.
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Speaker 6: We have the sort of the overlap between the way
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Speaker 6: in which animal health is treated and human health, of
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Speaker 6: course becoming ever more closely aligned. But we start with
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Speaker 6: a tweet put out by the NFU and this will
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Speaker 6: bring a few bells. DEFRA has issued a permit allowing
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Speaker 6: the use of three unauthorized BTV three vaccines in the
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Speaker 6: UK where a license is in place. So this is
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Speaker 6: against the the ruminant illness described as blue tongue, like
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Speaker 6: so many of them, with rather indistinct symptoms said to
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Speaker 6: be transmitted mainly by midges but not completely, which of
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Speaker 6: course is somewhat confusing. But it now has its own brand,
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Speaker 6: so just like COVID, it's ready for a serious ramping up.
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Speaker 6: And just to reinforce the message there that three unauthorized
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Speaker 6: blue toungue vaccines have been licensed. So in effect, what
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Speaker 6: this means is that the VMD, the Veterinary Medicines Directorate,
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Speaker 6: so the animal equivalent of the MHRA, have said yes,
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Speaker 6: it's not authorized, but you can use it anyway. So
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Speaker 6: let's look at their finances. Around eighty percent of its
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Speaker 6: income is from charges and levies paid for by the
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Speaker 6: relevant sectors of industry, which include the pharmaceutical industry, abatoires,
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Speaker 6: veterinary surgeons and importers. This is not unusual, of course,
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Speaker 6: and we must remember that without such apparent crises in
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Speaker 6: animal health, the pharmaceutical industry that deals with this area
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Speaker 6: would of course collapse. Let's look at a manufacturer of
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Speaker 6: one of these vaccines, Berringer Ingelheim, and they have a
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Speaker 6: controversial history, to say the least. I'm going to take
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Speaker 6: an excerpt from a book by Robert Hutchinson called After Nuremberg,
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Speaker 6: produced by Oxford University Press in twenty twenty two, and
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Speaker 6: in particular Fritz Fischer, who was before the Nuremberg trials
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Speaker 6: and there were appeals effectively on the basis of good character.
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Speaker 6: This book states that summarizes by saying, missing was any
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Speaker 6: conception of what Fritz Fisher had actually done during the
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Speaker 6: war as part of this service to his country, the
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Speaker 6: purposeful injury and mutilation of concentration camp prisoners in order
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Speaker 6: to test the efficacy of experimental medical treatments with deadly results. Now,
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Speaker 6: the reason I bring Fisher out to discuss is because
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Speaker 6: he was convicted but has his sentence reduced and was
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Speaker 6: released after fifteen years in nineteen fifty five, and he
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Speaker 6: subsequently found employment as a researcher for Berringer.
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Speaker 10: Ingelheim, a pharmaceutical company.
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Speaker 6: Of course, we know that there are many such people
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Speaker 6: who went effectively from Nazi Germany into all sorts of
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Speaker 6: industries that have shaped the West since now. Burringer also
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Speaker 6: deny strenuously that they had any hand in producing agent orange,
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Speaker 6: used to devastating effect as a defoliant herbicide in Vietnam.
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Speaker 10: But do they protest too much?
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Speaker 6: On their website they posed the question to themselves, did
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Speaker 6: burring at Ingelheim directly or indirectly profit from the Vietnam War? Indirectly,
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Speaker 6: they admit through gritted teeth, the effects of the Vietnam
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Speaker 6: War were noticeable in many sectors of the global economy,
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Speaker 6: including the chemical industry. Burring at Engelheim filled supply gaps
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Speaker 6: in the civilian crop protect market and thus indirectly benefited
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Speaker 6: financially from the Vietnam War. But the Juster website, commenting
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Speaker 6: on the case that was taken before the United States
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Speaker 6: District Court of New York in nineteen eighty three, goes
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Speaker 6: quite a lot further, citing as evidence that in the
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Speaker 6: nineteen fifties the then C. H. Burringer Son Company of
24:21
Speaker 6: Germany had serious cases of chloracne among workers engaged in
24:25
Speaker 6: the production of TCP, a precursor chemical used inter earlier
24:29
Speaker 6: to manufacture two four five hyphen t, which is what
24:33
Speaker 6: agent orange effectively came from or was derived from. By
24:36
Speaker 6: nineteen fifty five, the Burringer Company was forced to halt
24:39
Speaker 6: production at two plants. So one might say, no smoke
24:43
Speaker 6: without fire. A checkered history, and as I say, a
24:46
Speaker 6: very controversial one, although elements of it, of course are
24:49
Speaker 6: continually denied by the company. But I do think this
24:52
Speaker 6: is relevant because it does suggest the way in which malpractice,
24:56
Speaker 6: malfeasance and anything effectively untoward that's gone before is just
25:00
Speaker 6: swept right under the carpet. But what we'll do is
25:03
Speaker 6: have a look at what we might describe as being
25:05
Speaker 6: the direction of travel for this business, which, surprise, surprise,
25:10
Speaker 6: is a unique additiative initiative for AI and what's called biomedicine,
25:15
Speaker 6: and this institute, this Bespoken institute set up for this
25:18
Speaker 6: says that researchers from AI and biomedicine will collaborate in
25:24
Speaker 6: an unprecedented partnership to develop novel research approaches for biomedicine.
25:29
Speaker 6: Now that I think suggests really the removal of thought
25:35
Speaker 6: and humanity from the process, with the result that in effect,
25:41
Speaker 6: responsibility doesn't need to be taken for decisions that are
25:44
Speaker 6: made by computers, and it's specifically with the area of
25:48
Speaker 6: biomedic and it's yet another example of a condition being
25:51
Speaker 6: taken in order to medicate against rather than looking at
25:55
Speaker 6: overall health and which takes us right back to the
25:57
Speaker 6: beginning of issuing an unauthor rise vaccine in the first place.
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Speaker 6: And of course, as I say, the close parallel with
26:04
Speaker 6: human health. So this is just a theme that we
26:06
Speaker 6: will continue to follow of course, as human health and
26:10
Speaker 6: animal health become more closely interrelated.
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Speaker 6: Yes, fantastically interesting interview with an academic, Ganjuru Njoya, who's
27:03
Speaker 6: the scholar in residence at the Mesa's Institute in Alabama,
27:07
Speaker 6: and she effectively her start point is that all government
27:11
Speaker 6: intervention results in a bad outcome for the people of
27:15
Speaker 6: that government or of that country. And we have a
27:17
Speaker 6: short clip of her talking about for her that the
27:21
Speaker 6: very close similarity between what's called equity and apartheid.
27:27
Speaker 13: So they reason the same way in relation to equity.
27:30
Speaker 13: They say, well, it's true that equity is just like apartheid,
27:34
Speaker 13: but we are now doing it from good motives, so
27:37
Speaker 13: it doesn't matter if we're being hypocritical. And I'm saying, yes,
27:40
Speaker 13: it does matter. It's your society that's founded on hypocrisy
27:47
Speaker 13: is volatile because first of all, people don't like hypocrisy.
27:52
Speaker 13: They become resentful, they become angry, they'll be out on
27:57
Speaker 13: the streets rioting, and you can't fix that just throwing
28:00
Speaker 13: them all in jail. People don't like to be taken
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Speaker 13: for falls. That's why it matters if we're running a
28:08
Speaker 13: hypocritical system and that's why it's wrong. I'm against it,
28:12
Speaker 13: so you can probably tell the way it got fired up.
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Speaker 6: A fascinating interview getting out at one o'clock to moor afternoon,
28:21
Speaker 6: so definitely tune into one Jerry.
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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Charles. On Sunday morning, Brian will be
28:27
Speaker 1: premiary episode six of Walking the Dog. He's got some
28:31
Speaker 1: sad news at the beginning of that, but we'll quickly
28:34
Speaker 1: move on to discuss a discussion with you from a
28:37
Speaker 1: few couple of months ago.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
28:39
Speaker 6: Absolutely, really enjoyable conversation with Brian about an awful lot
28:43
Speaker 6: of effectively sort of countryside rural farming, farming matters, and
28:48
Speaker 6: plenty else beside.
28:49
Speaker 10: So please do tune in on Sunday at eleven o'th.
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Speaker 1: Flour on his YouTube channel. Yes, yes, okay. Rapidly running
28:57
Speaker 1: out of tickets now for the Bristol event on nineteenth
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Speaker 1: of October, so thank you very very much to everybody
29:02
Speaker 1: that's coming to that. We're really looking forward to it.
29:05
Speaker 1: You can see the list of people on screen there
29:07
Speaker 1: that will be speaking, so hopefully the last few tickets
29:12
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29:17
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 1: A couple of months ago, when was it sixth of September?
29:24
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, sorry, I was speaking about the
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Speaker 1: new proposed health restrictions in Northern Ireland. This is a
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Speaker 1: new public health bill. If you haven't seen that, that
29:33
Speaker 1: was from the sixth of September twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 10: Do have a look at it.
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Speaker 1: And if you want to find that, click on the
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Speaker 1: tonight at seven pm Together is hosting a discussion with
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Speaker 1: Paul Frew MLA, who's a Northern Irish politician about the
29:53
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland Public Health Bill and they're asking what's going on.
29:56
Speaker 1: So that's on the Together YouTube channel if you want
29:59
Speaker 1: to go and have a look at that.
30:01
Speaker 6: And then we've got a debate coming up on Friday,
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Speaker 6: the fourth of October, Capitalism Versus Climate Change debate featuring
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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Charles. Right, let's move on then, And if
30:24
Speaker 1: you remember a couple of years ago, we were talking
30:26
Speaker 1: about this piece of legislation, the Genetic Technology Brackets Precision
30:30
Speaker 1: Breeding Bill, that's not an act. Charles has mentioned it
30:35
Speaker 1: on a number of occasions more recently. But of course,
30:38
Speaker 1: as we were mentioning last week or the week before,
30:41
Speaker 1: although this Act has passed, it is not yet sort
30:45
Speaker 1: of enabled because it requires secretary legislation in order to
30:49
Speaker 1: enable it.
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Speaker 9: Now.
30:50
Speaker 1: At the time that the Act was passed, Joe Churchill,
30:53
Speaker 1: who was Minister for Agri Innovation said this is in
30:57
Speaker 1: January twenty twenty two. New genetic technologies help us tackle
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Speaker 1: some of the biggest challenges of our age around food security,
31:03
Speaker 1: climate change and biodiversity loss. And of course what she
31:06
Speaker 1: means by that is that because the UK government is
31:10
Speaker 1: busy shutting down in the farming industry at the moment
31:13
Speaker 1: and converting productive land to wildflow meadow and so on,
31:18
Speaker 1: we are in a food security a dangerous position with
31:22
Speaker 1: respect to food security. So they need to industrialize food
31:25
Speaker 1: production and they're using this genetic gene editing, this genetic
31:30
Speaker 1: technology in order to do that. So let's just remind
31:32
Speaker 1: ourselves what this was about. Removing plants and animals produced
31:36
Speaker 1: through precision breeding technologies from regulatory requirements. So take them
31:40
Speaker 1: out of the regulation regime, introduce two notification systems. They
31:46
Speaker 1: haven't done that yet, as we've mentioned before, establish a
31:49
Speaker 1: proportionate regulatory system for precision bread animals. So we need
31:53
Speaker 1: to make the point this is not just about crops.
31:56
Speaker 1: This is also about animals. Establishing a new science based
32:01
Speaker 1: authorization process for food and feed products derived using precision
32:05
Speaker 1: bread plants and animals. Now they keep talking about precision breeding,
32:10
Speaker 1: and they've always said that the gene editing is about
32:13
Speaker 1: precision breeding. It's about taking what happens naturally or at
32:16
Speaker 1: least maybe not naturally, but through the selective breeding that
32:21
Speaker 1: process that maybe in the past has taken months, if
32:24
Speaker 1: not years, if not decades, to produce significant changes in
32:28
Speaker 1: an organism and accelerating that through genetic modification. But they're
32:33
Speaker 1: very careful to say that this is not genetic modification
32:35
Speaker 1: because the no foreign genes are end up in the
32:40
Speaker 1: resulted resulting organism. They can use foreign genes from other
32:43
Speaker 1: organisms to encourage the genetic mutations, but those foreign genes
32:48
Speaker 1: or that foreign genetic material has to be removed again,
32:51
Speaker 1: that's their claim at least, So why are we mentioning
32:54
Speaker 1: this again. Well, over the last few days the World
32:58
Speaker 1: Agritech Conference has been taken place. It finished yesterday and well,
33:03
Speaker 1: our minister responsible for Food Security was speaking at it
33:08
Speaker 1: and was saying that today we are introducing legislation to
33:12
Speaker 1: unlock precision breeding to boost Britain's food security, support nature's
33:16
Speaker 1: recovery and protect farmers from climate shocks. I believe that's
33:20
Speaker 1: almost the same words that his Tory Party predecessor used.
33:26
Speaker 1: But nonetheless they are now introducing this secondary legislation which
33:30
Speaker 1: will enable this act and will enable companies that are
33:34
Speaker 1: involved in messing about with organisms in this way to
33:39
Speaker 1: start marketing the final product to you and me. So,
33:43
Speaker 1: whether you think this is good or idea or not,
33:46
Speaker 1: you might want to contact your MPs and make it
33:51
Speaker 1: maybe make them aware of how you feel about whether
33:54
Speaker 1: this legislation should pass. I mean, clearly there's very limited
33:59
Speaker 1: restriction honored passing with such a majority in the hous
34:02
Speaker 1: ofcombers at the moment, but it seems madness or dangerous.
34:06
Speaker 1: A whole lot of epithets would apply to that.
34:09
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think the main thing is that
34:10
Speaker 6: it's an unknown and it is another instance of the
34:14
Speaker 6: precautionary principle just being abandoned at will. So it's held
34:17
Speaker 6: on to when it suits the government or indeed any
34:19
Speaker 6: power that seeks to change things, but it's discarded when convenient.
34:24
Speaker 6: And of course the speeding up of the altering of
34:29
Speaker 6: genetic sequence or however it exactly is conducted, no one
34:33
Speaker 6: knows what the outcome is going to be, and yet
34:35
Speaker 6: that's the bit that's never allowed to be debated. So yes,
34:38
Speaker 6: I mean quite quite potential, a lot of potential for
34:41
Speaker 6: castrophic outcomes, I would have.
34:42
Speaker 1: Said, absolutely and unrelated, sorry, not unrelated, because it's largely
34:49
Speaker 1: climate change which is driving all this. Of course we've
34:52
Speaker 1: seen this move for Energy UK. What's happening there?
34:55
Speaker 6: Yes, well, this effectively is an extension from a segment
34:59
Speaker 6: that Ben was dealing with on Monday, talking about the
35:03
Speaker 6: ending of coal power as part of the composition of
35:07
Speaker 6: the UK's power energy grid electrical energy grid. And I
35:11
Speaker 6: reported on this back in March, using a headline from
35:15
Speaker 6: the Energy System Operator, which I'll come on to in
35:18
Speaker 6: a minute, but saying that the government has set a
35:20
Speaker 6: clear deadline for Culfied Power station to cease production by October,
35:24
Speaker 6: so they did actually hit that target.
35:27
Speaker 10: But what are the implications going to be?
35:30
Speaker 6: This goes back a little bit further before the National
35:32
Speaker 6: Grid was effectively sort of pushed to one side, and
35:34
Speaker 6: they asked the question back in twenty twenty two, how
35:36
Speaker 6: will our electricity supply change in the future, And the
35:41
Speaker 6: answer is that the global ambition to reach net zero
35:44
Speaker 6: carbon emissions by twenty fifty means will likely be using
35:47
Speaker 6: more electricity than ever before in the coming years, so
35:51
Speaker 6: we'll see how this circle gets squared. They go on
35:54
Speaker 6: to say that in twenty twenty fossil fuels made up
35:56
Speaker 6: eighty four percent of the global energy mix, but this
35:59
Speaker 6: will need to fall to less than twenty percent by
36:01
Speaker 6: twenty fifty.
36:02
Speaker 10: In order to reach net zero.
36:04
Speaker 6: It's estimated the electricity consumption in the UK and the
36:08
Speaker 6: US will increase by approximately fifty percent by twenty thirty six.
36:11
Speaker 10: And more than double by twenty fifty.
36:15
Speaker 6: So in order to meet that goal, apparently we now
36:19
Speaker 6: have the National Grid ESO, so that the effectively what's
36:24
Speaker 6: now called the National Energy System Operator. They have a
36:27
Speaker 6: new smart website and they've also put out a short
36:31
Speaker 6: video to explain a little bit about what it is
36:34
Speaker 6: that they are up to.
36:37
Speaker 14: Right across the business, there's a team of really capable
36:40
Speaker 14: innovertive people are hugely excited about the opportunity that NISO
36:46
Speaker 14: presents at this inflection point in tackling climate change, which
36:50
Speaker 14: truly is the challenge of the generation.
36:53
Speaker 15: Fundamental to NISO is the ability to bring an impartial,
36:57
Speaker 15: independent voice into the mix that can really take a
37:01
Speaker 15: whole system's view on the transition, the challenges, the trade
37:05
Speaker 15: offs that need to be made, and ultimately how do
37:08
Speaker 15: we get an optimal outcome for consumers.
37:11
Speaker 16: So looking at the whole system together, we'll create the
37:14
Speaker 16: opportunity for us to have an efficient transition and a
37:18
Speaker 16: speedy transition. That's why NISO is so important. The local
37:22
Speaker 16: environment will be cleaner with less air pollution. It'll mean
37:27
Speaker 16: jobs and the opportunity for people to see the benefits
37:32
Speaker 16: of a decarbonized energy system in their locality.
37:37
Speaker 17: Now, what's going to be important is that industry and
37:40
Speaker 17: government and other stakeholders collaborate really closely as we move
37:44
Speaker 17: down these paths, because the answer today won't necessarily be
37:49
Speaker 17: the answer tomorrow.
37:50
Speaker 14: It's about ensuring that whole ecosystem comes together to deliver
37:53
Speaker 14: for the country.
37:59
Speaker 10: Signs brilliant.
38:00
Speaker 6: Well it does, and there's a lot to put out
38:03
Speaker 6: from that video. If you either couldn't quite see the
38:06
Speaker 6: screen closely in our four indeed you were only listening.
38:09
Speaker 6: The lady speaking towards the end was called Jane too
38:12
Speaker 6: good to be true, which it does seem to be.
38:15
Speaker 6: There was very little talk about how they were going
38:18
Speaker 6: to produce the requisite amount of electricity, and phrases like
38:22
Speaker 6: the answer today might not necessarily be the answer tomorrow
38:26
Speaker 6: is slightly alarming, but of course suggests that the renewable
38:30
Speaker 6: energy because of course this is all about net zero
38:34
Speaker 6: and the specter of climate change rather than in actual
38:38
Speaker 6: fact producing the energy that.
38:40
Speaker 10: Could or should be required. So it's a very muddled
38:44
Speaker 10: approach from nisso.
38:46
Speaker 6: And of course the other thing that's worth pointing out
38:50
Speaker 6: at this stage is that the demand or the increase
38:54
Speaker 6: for electricity is in large part going to be to
38:57
Speaker 6: satisfy the increase the enormous increase of the use of
39:00
Speaker 6: artificial intelligence, and indeed the data centers that are supposed
39:04
Speaker 6: to be sustaining all life as we know it, but
39:08
Speaker 6: we'll go on and have a look back at the
39:10
Speaker 6: NISSO website because I think it bears scrutiny, and you'll
39:14
Speaker 6: see highlighted on the right hand side they have a
39:18
Speaker 6: tab entitled energy outages, which seems a slightly pessimistic thing
39:24
Speaker 6: to put on the front page of your website when
39:27
Speaker 6: you're meant to be producing the electricity, but we might
39:31
Speaker 6: have an insight as to why they would put such
39:34
Speaker 6: a thing. They're also advertising what's called a Carbon Intensity API,
39:38
Speaker 6: which is an application programming interface, effectively allowing other agencies
39:44
Speaker 6: to take data off their website. They say the goal
39:47
Speaker 6: of this API service is to allow developers to produce
39:49
Speaker 6: applications that will enable consumers and or smart devices to
39:54
Speaker 6: optimize their behavior to minimize CO two emissions. So the
39:58
Speaker 6: standout word there is behavior. This is to do with
40:01
Speaker 6: changing people's behavior. They then go on to say that
40:04
Speaker 6: the WWF, which in this case is the World Wildlife Fund,
40:08
Speaker 6: have implemented the API into a reusable widget that can
40:12
Speaker 6: help people plan their energy use, switching devices on when
40:15
Speaker 6: energy is green and off when it's not. This really
40:18
Speaker 6: is about behavioral change, and just to reinforce the point,
40:21
Speaker 6: they put a graphic up on the website which shows
40:23
Speaker 6: here again if you can't see it, it's a table
40:25
Speaker 6: effectively a timetable for your day showing that how intense
40:31
Speaker 6: the carbon is, and at between six pm and eight
40:34
Speaker 6: pm in the evening they are encouraging you to unplug
40:37
Speaker 6: your electricity. Now, another phrase used during that video was
40:42
Speaker 6: impartial and independent. It is no such thing. Another influence
40:46
Speaker 6: behind the scenes, or at least actually referred to as
40:49
Speaker 6: the Environmental Defense Fund of the sort of European Union
40:54
Speaker 6: offshoot in some ways shown here to be supported by
40:58
Speaker 6: the Bezos Earth Fund, one of many donors to the
41:01
Speaker 6: value of well over one hundred thousand dollars in the year.
41:04
Speaker 6: So of course there are many many external influences. And
41:09
Speaker 6: then the other thing that we go back to, this
41:11
Speaker 6: is again from the UK columnies back on thirteenth of March,
41:14
Speaker 6: was the article that the then Prime Minister Ric Sunak
41:17
Speaker 6: had put in the Daily Telegraph in which he points out,
41:21
Speaker 6: but when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing,
41:23
Speaker 6: this is how we will keep your lights on and
41:26
Speaker 6: your bills down. It is the insurance policy of Britain
41:28
Speaker 6: needs to protect our energy security while we deliver our
41:32
Speaker 6: net zero transition. He then goes on, of course, to
41:35
Speaker 6: try and explain why these things are so challenging. He says,
41:37
Speaker 6: you can't protect national security without delivering energy security. The
41:41
Speaker 6: war in Ukraine reminded us all of that a nation
41:43
Speaker 6: that is dependent on the wims of dictators for its
41:45
Speaker 6: energy supply can never be truly safe. But just how
41:50
Speaker 6: genuine is all of this, especially when we're considering enormous
41:53
Speaker 6: price hikes in.
41:54
Speaker 10: The value of electricity.
41:56
Speaker 6: So we'll just have a look at the most recent
41:58
Speaker 6: graft from Trading Economic saying the wholesale price of electricity
42:02
Speaker 6: clearly massive spikes seen across twenty twenty two and twenty
42:05
Speaker 6: twenty three, but in actual fact, the price listed at
42:09
Speaker 6: the moment just over eighty three, not enormously much higher
42:13
Speaker 6: than that of twenty twenty or twenty twenty one. And
42:17
Speaker 6: yet of course we are being primed not just for
42:20
Speaker 6: huge increases in the price of electricity, but also for
42:24
Speaker 6: either outages or behavioral conditioning to make sure that we're
42:28
Speaker 6: not going to use electricity, and we're certainly not going
42:30
Speaker 6: to use it if it's not so called green or clean.
42:34
Speaker 1: And Dad Okay, let's go back to the Middle East
42:37
Speaker 1: and Vanessa a bit of context maybe for what's been happening.
42:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just for people to fully understand the
42:45
Speaker 3: elements that led to Iran's retaliation.
42:49
Speaker 5: Against Israel last night. So first of all, of course,
42:53
Speaker 5: we had the assassination.
42:54
Speaker 3: Of sidehas and As run as the secretary general of
42:57
Speaker 3: Esbulara in the center of the South of Bay Roads
43:01
Speaker 3: in a civilian area. Eighty five two thousand pound bonds
43:05
Speaker 3: were dropped in order to destroy the underground sort of
43:10
Speaker 3: tunnels and offices where he was, alongside, of course an
43:14
Speaker 3: Iranian commander.
43:16
Speaker 4: Also, But on the.
43:17
Speaker 3: Twenty ninth of September, Israel attacked four countries in twenty
43:21
Speaker 3: four hours.
43:21
Speaker 4: Let's just have a quick look at a video summarizing that.
44:00
Speaker 3: And of course all of these attacks killed civilians, including
44:04
Speaker 3: in Damascus when three people were killed, including a colleague,
44:08
Speaker 3: a journalist, and.
44:10
Speaker 5: Nine were injured.
44:11
Speaker 3: And of course not only these attacks, Israel has been
44:14
Speaker 3: attacking Syria, trying to destroy air defense radar and systems
44:20
Speaker 3: to clear a pathway for future air regression against Syria. Clearly,
44:26
Speaker 3: then US officials quietly backed Israel's military push against Tesbila,
44:31
Speaker 3: which included the assassination of the Secretary General. Remembering Hesbelar
44:36
Speaker 3: is a political entity, it's a political party in Lebanon,
44:40
Speaker 3: and it's part of the interim government, Senior White House
44:44
Speaker 3: figures privately told Israel that the US would support its
44:47
Speaker 3: decision to ramp up the military pressure against Hesbola, even
44:51
Speaker 3: as the Biden administration publicly urged the Israeli government in
44:55
Speaker 3: recent weeks to curtail it strikes. According to American and
44:59
Speaker 3: Israeli officials, as I've mentioned, as it also mentions, whenever
45:04
Speaker 3: you have American officials in Lebanon or anywhere in the.
45:08
Speaker 4: Region, it is generally followed by an escalation. And then
45:12
Speaker 4: if we look at the actual.
45:15
Speaker 3: Damage from the Israeli attacks in Lebanon, the red dots
45:19
Speaker 3: are obviously the areas that Israel as targeting, and as
45:23
Speaker 3: you can see, it's not only contained to the south,
45:26
Speaker 3: it's along the whole border areas. Of course, we believe
45:30
Speaker 3: the attempt will be to close the borders between Lebanon
45:32
Speaker 3: and Syria, to isolate Lebanon and isolate Syria. Two hundred
45:37
Speaker 3: and eight dead, I think that is now much higher. Unfortunately,
45:40
Speaker 3: we're now at around two thousand, one hundred and four children,
45:44
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety four women, one million displaced people,
45:49
Speaker 3: many of whom have come into Syria and are being
45:52
Speaker 3: resettled in various governorates here and also being provided with
45:57
Speaker 3: medical care and so on in the.
45:59
Speaker 5: Already I've attacked as Syrian hospitals.
46:04
Speaker 3: And then let's have a look at the speech that
46:07
Speaker 3: Natanio who gave at the Yuan regarding the curse.
46:12
Speaker 4: And the blessing maps. Let's just have a look at
46:15
Speaker 4: this quite extraordinary.
46:22
Speaker 12: It's a map of a curse.
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Speaker 8: It's a map of an arc of terror that Iran
46:29
Speaker 8: has created and imposed from the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean.
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Speaker 8: Iran's malignant arc has shut down international waterways, it cuts
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Speaker 8: off trade, It destroys millions, destroys nations from within, and
46:44
Speaker 8: inflicts misery and millions. It's a map of a blessing.
46:53
Speaker 8: It shows Israel, Israel and its Arab partners forming a
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Speaker 8: land bridge connecting a Job and Europe between the Indian
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Speaker 8: Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea.
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Speaker 3: I'll remind people of Kennedy's statement Robert Fyginia when he
47:16
Speaker 3: basically pointed out Israel's role for the United States in
47:20
Speaker 3: this region, and of course part of that is to
47:22
Speaker 3: prevent the rise of the Chinese Bilton Road initiative of
47:27
Speaker 3: Russia of Iran, and of course that means including the Blessing,
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Speaker 3: which is the Middle East Economic Corridor which goes from
47:37
Speaker 3: India through.
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Speaker 4: The Gulf States, Israel to Europe.
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Speaker 3: Then this image has been circulating of when Natanyahu gave
47:45
Speaker 3: the approval for the assassination of Nasrolla.
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Speaker 10: Now some have.
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Speaker 5: Reported it was in his hotel room, some have said
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Speaker 5: it was at the un GA.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: It was when he was at the un So that's
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Speaker 3: there's something about the role of the un and all
48:02
Speaker 3: of this also. And then let's go on to what
48:05
Speaker 3: was actually used, remembering of course, the claim that Iran
48:10
Speaker 3: put civilian lives in danger when it attacks the occupied
48:13
Speaker 3: territories of Palestine last night. What are the bunker buster bombs?
48:17
Speaker 3: This is from PRESTV also known as Grand penetration munitions.
48:22
Speaker 3: Each bomb weighs between nine hundred and one eight hundred kilograms,
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Speaker 3: with the ability to penetrate up to thirty meters of
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Speaker 3: earth or six meters of.
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Speaker 4: Concrete upon Debton Nation.
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Speaker 3: Bunker busters generate powerful shockwaves that can collapse heavily fortified
48:39
Speaker 3: structures like civilian apartments. And then if we have a
48:43
Speaker 3: look at the next image, we can actually see the
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Speaker 3: extent to which these bombs did penetrate the foundations of
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Speaker 3: the multiple residential blocks that were around the area where
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Speaker 3: they killed Nasrulla. And on the right is an image
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Speaker 3: of the actual explosion. And then, finally, Mike, you referred
49:03
Speaker 3: to whether or not Iran feels under threat, and that
49:07
Speaker 3: might be one of the reasons, alongside all of the
49:10
Speaker 3: other elements that of course have led to this retaliation,
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Speaker 3: including the assassination of Ismail haniek Hamas's leader in Tehran
49:22
Speaker 3: in July.
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Speaker 5: But let's just have a listen to Natanya who speaking again.
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Speaker 4: Remember when he spoke.
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Speaker 3: To the Lebanese people, now he's speaking to the Iranian people.
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Speaker 8: I speak a lot about the leaders of your own,
49:37
Speaker 8: Yet at this pivotal moment, I want to address you,
49:41
Speaker 8: the people of your own I want to do so directly,
49:45
Speaker 8: without filters, without middlemen. Every day you see a regime
49:51
Speaker 8: that subjugates, you make fiery speeches about defending Lebanon, defending Gaza.
49:57
Speaker 8: Yet every day that regime under our region deeper into
50:01
Speaker 8: darkness and deeper into war. Every day their puppets are
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Speaker 8: eliminated as muhammadev as Noasrala. There is nowhere in the
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Speaker 8: Middle East Israel cannot reach. There's nowhere we will not
50:17
Speaker 8: go to protect our people and protect our country. With
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Speaker 8: every passing moment, the regime is bringing you, the noble
50:24
Speaker 8: Persian people, closer to the Abyss. The vast majority of
50:29
Speaker 8: Iranians know their regime doesn't care a whit about them.
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Speaker 12: If it did care, if it cared about you, it.
50:37
Speaker 8: Will stop wasting billions of dollars on feudal wars across
50:41
Speaker 8: the Middle East. It would start improving your lives. Imagine
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Speaker 8: if all the vast money the regime wasted on nuclear
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Speaker 8: weapons and foreign wars were invested in your children's education
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Speaker 8: and improving your healthcare and building your nation's infrastructure.
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Speaker 10: Water, sewage, all the other things that you need.
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Speaker 12: Imagine the.
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Speaker 4: Extraordinary projection there. I think you could apply that to
51:09
Speaker 4: the UK, the US, the EU and Israel.
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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, thank you, Vanessa, thank you, and let's come
51:17
Speaker 1: back now.
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Speaker 10: To the UK. Yes we will.
51:20
Speaker 6: With an announcement from the Department for Science, Innovation and
51:23
Speaker 6: technology that sounds i would say somewhat ominous. The tech
51:28
Speaker 6: experts to shape government digital vision to drive innovation and
51:32
Speaker 6: boost public services said the government set up, yes, another
51:36
Speaker 6: new body, and it's going to be referred to as
51:38
Speaker 6: a Digital Center. They say the group will help a
51:41
Speaker 6: ten year vision for a digital center of government to
51:44
Speaker 6: drive innovation, transform services, improve lives and unlock the full
51:49
Speaker 6: potential of digital and data. I'd say the two questions
51:52
Speaker 6: that drop out of that are improve the lives of
51:55
Speaker 6: whom and exactly what sort of potential they're going to
51:59
Speaker 6: be unlocking with regard to digital and data. And to
52:03
Speaker 6: give us something of a steer on that, we should
52:05
Speaker 6: look at the words of Bobby Gustavsson, who's just stepped
52:09
Speaker 6: down as the chief executive of dark Trace but remains
52:12
Speaker 6: on the board. She says, I'm excited by the ambition
52:16
Speaker 6: of the government's plans on digital transformation and delighted to
52:19
Speaker 6: be supporting them in these efforts as well. She might be,
52:22
Speaker 6: and we'll come on to explain perhaps why dark Trace
52:25
Speaker 6: itself announced her resignation in the last couple of weeks.
52:29
Speaker 6: She used to be replaced by Jill Popelka, who's come
52:33
Speaker 6: from outside and that's taken immediate effect.
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Speaker 10: There was absolutely no warning at all.
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Speaker 6: Jill will assume the role of chief Executive and will
52:42
Speaker 6: be appointed to the dark Trace Board of Directors with
52:44
Speaker 6: effect from today. So just as a reminder, this is
52:47
Speaker 6: the company that was brought into the news in recent
52:51
Speaker 6: weeks due to the extraordinarily coincidental deaths of Mike Lynch,
52:56
Speaker 6: the founder and Stephen Chamberlain, the kofund who died within
53:01
Speaker 6: three days of one another on almost well not exactly
53:05
Speaker 6: opposite side as well, but Chamberlain in Cambridgeshire and Lynch
53:09
Speaker 6: in Italy or sorry Sicily it to be more exact.
53:12
Speaker 6: So dark Trace of course now it turns out to
53:15
Speaker 6: have a lot of fingers in a lot of pies,
53:17
Speaker 6: particularly within the infrastructure of the United Kingdom the state.
53:21
Speaker 6: And also it is the subject of a sale which,
53:25
Speaker 6: despite all these things going on in the background, has
53:28
Speaker 6: gone ahead, and just yesterday, first of October, the sale
53:32
Speaker 6: of dark Trace for five point three billion dollars has
53:36
Speaker 6: been bought by Toma Bravo under a new company, Luke Bidco.
53:41
Speaker 6: So that their piece to announce that the court order
53:42
Speaker 6: has been delivered to the Registrar of companies, and that
53:46
Speaker 6: the entire issue Czech capital of dark Trace is now
53:49
Speaker 6: owned by Bidco. The reason for making reference to that,
53:53
Speaker 6: of course, is because of what happened when Mike Lynch
53:57
Speaker 6: sold Autonomy to Hewlett pack Had, resulting in a fraud
54:02
Speaker 6: case that he subsequently.
54:04
Speaker 10: Won and then died immediately after winning.
54:08
Speaker 6: Dark Trace also here showing that it has terrifically close
54:12
Speaker 6: linked to the intelligence services Poppy Gustafsen shown with an
54:16
Speaker 6: Keith partner of GHQ. This was back in July of
54:21
Speaker 6: this year, and the dark Trace website giving an insight
54:25
Speaker 6: as to exactly what the government might be expecting from
54:27
Speaker 6: having does Fuson.
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Speaker 10: Sorry on the board.
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Speaker 6: Its enterprise immune system technology detects previously unidentified threats in
54:37
Speaker 6: real time, powered by machine learning and mathematics, which analyze
54:41
Speaker 6: the behavior of every device, user and network within an organization.
54:46
Speaker 6: And they go on to say that some of the
54:48
Speaker 6: world's largest corporations rely on dark TRACE's self learning appliants
54:52
Speaker 6: and sectors including energy and utilities, financial services, telecommunications, healthcare, manufacturing, retail,
54:59
Speaker 6: and transportation. So it looks rather like this new digital
55:03
Speaker 6: center is going to be used for a huge uplift
55:07
Speaker 6: in surveillance and monitoring of all those that are going
55:10
Speaker 6: to be forced into using yet more digital platforms to
55:13
Speaker 6: conduct their daily business. And of course we have to ask,
55:18
Speaker 6: with the involvement of doc Trace, who exactly is the
55:21
Speaker 6: threat perceived to be?
55:23
Speaker 10: Is it us or is it then? Good question?
55:26
Speaker 1: Now I have you've been following the UK column for
55:29
Speaker 1: a number of years, you will know that we covered
55:32
Speaker 1: both the Novachok Institute in sorry Novichok incidences in the UK.
55:37
Speaker 1: The first, of course is the poisoning alleged of Sergei
55:41
Speaker 1: and Julius Scripple, and the second was the poisoning alleged
55:44
Speaker 1: of Charlie Rawley and Don Sturgis. And Don Sturgis sadly
55:48
Speaker 1: passed away. The inquiry into the death of Don Sturgis
55:53
Speaker 1: has been launched as if we put that on screen
55:55
Speaker 1: and so this is an independent inquiry under the circumstances
55:59
Speaker 1: of Don st just death in Salisbury and the eighth
56:01
Speaker 1: of July twenty eighteen. Now it has held a preliminary
56:05
Speaker 1: hearing that was held on the twenty first of June
56:07
Speaker 1: this year at the Royal Court of Justice, and the
56:10
Speaker 1: transcript of that preliminary hearing is available on the inquiry
56:13
Speaker 1: website at the moment. But the inquiry, the main inquiry itself,
56:17
Speaker 1: begins on the fourteenth of October twenty twenty four, so
56:22
Speaker 1: this is not too far away now. But the news
56:25
Speaker 1: is as of a few days ago that Sergei and
56:28
Speaker 1: Julia Scrippel will not be attending it. So we still
56:31
Speaker 1: have to ask where they are. So, as I say,
56:35
Speaker 1: the inquiry due to start in a few days time,
56:38
Speaker 1: and they are. This is into the death of Dawn Sturgis.
56:43
Speaker 1: But the Scripples apparently have been advised by the judge
56:46
Speaker 1: that their protection could not be guaranteed and therefore they
56:51
Speaker 1: should not turn up.
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Speaker 10: So there we go.
56:53
Speaker 1: We still get to ask why. But if we look
56:56
Speaker 1: back at what happened at the time. This is a
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Speaker 1: BBC reporting Amesbury poisoning experts confirm sub substance was novichalko.
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Speaker 1: This is from the fourth of September twenty eighteen and
57:08
Speaker 1: a quote from this saying the substance that killed a
57:10
Speaker 1: woman in Amesbury was the same novichalk nervegen that poison
57:13
Speaker 1: Sergey and Julias Scribball experts have confirmed. So which experts
57:17
Speaker 1: are they talking about? Well, they're talking about the OPCW,
57:20
Speaker 1: of course, the Organization for Prohibition and Chemical Weapons, and
57:25
Speaker 1: in the statement that they gave at the time, they
57:26
Speaker 1: said the team was able to collect blood samples from
57:29
Speaker 1: mister Charles Rowley for transport to the OPCW laboratory and
57:33
Speaker 1: subsequent analysis by OPCW designated laboratories. Mister Rowley was able
57:37
Speaker 1: to give informed consent himself. What's the words the team
57:42
Speaker 1: was able to collect then, and it followed up by
57:45
Speaker 1: saying the team attended and observed the post mortem of
57:49
Speaker 1: Miss Dawn Sturgis. The team was able to collect a
57:53
Speaker 1: number of biomedical samples, mainly tissue samples for transport to
57:56
Speaker 1: the OPCW laboratory and subsequent analysis BYPCW designated laboratories. But
58:03
Speaker 1: then they go on to say consent for this procedure
58:05
Speaker 1: was obtained from the next of kin as per the
58:09
Speaker 1: United Kingdom Human Tissue Act, but that the team was
58:12
Speaker 1: briefed on the identity of the toxic chemical identified by
58:16
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom and was able to review analytical results
58:19
Speaker 1: in data from the chemical analysis of biomedical samples collected
58:23
Speaker 1: from the affected individuals by the British authorities. So we
58:27
Speaker 1: initially have them saying that the team collected these but
58:30
Speaker 1: actually it was the British authorities that collected the samples
58:34
Speaker 1: and then handed them over to the team. And my
58:36
Speaker 1: question then would be was there an opportunity for a
58:38
Speaker 1: bit of bit and switch going on? So we put
58:41
Speaker 1: that back up again. They concluded by saying, the results
58:43
Speaker 1: of the analysis of this environmental sample conducted by OPCW
58:47
Speaker 1: designated laboratories show that the sample consists of the toxic
58:51
Speaker 1: chemical and a concentration of ninety seven to ninety eight
58:54
Speaker 1: percent the samples. They are considered a neat agent of
58:57
Speaker 1: high purity. The OPCW designated laboratories also identified a number
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Speaker 1: of impurities constituting the remaining two to three percent of
59:06
Speaker 1: the sample. We need to remember that this is the
59:08
Speaker 1: same OPCW that still has questions to answer over the
59:14
Speaker 1: OPCW DOUMA deception. And I would just refer everybody to
59:19
Speaker 1: the articles on the UK column website on this, and
59:23
Speaker 1: I'd just like to mention in passing by the way
59:25
Speaker 1: that Piers Robinson's most recent article on this has been
59:29
Speaker 1: chosen by NewsGuard in their most recent annual communication with
59:34
Speaker 1: us as being one which they highlight as being full
59:38
Speaker 1: of misinformation and disinformation. We'll talk more about that in
59:44
Speaker 1: the future, but in the meantime, go and have a
59:46
Speaker 1: look at Peer's coverage of this because this is extremely
59:50
Speaker 1: important now at the at the time or the UN reports.
59:54
Speaker 1: Pertmanent representative to the OPCW Johanna Roper said, this week
59:58
Speaker 1: also marks the sixth anniversary of the Norweg and sorry
1:00:02
Speaker 1: this was in March. I think this year five people
1:00:04
Speaker 1: were injured in don Sturge, just poisoned in nearby Amesbury
1:00:08
Speaker 1: tragically died. Only the Russian state had the technical means,
1:00:13
Speaker 1: operational experience and motive to carry out the attack. We
1:00:16
Speaker 1: would just remind everybody to go back and have a
1:00:18
Speaker 1: look at Alex Thompson's article scrip Al a Russian Web
1:00:21
Speaker 1: or a Roussie Web, where he makes the point that
1:00:24
Speaker 1: the Russians were not the only people with the capability
1:00:28
Speaker 1: to do this if it was genuinely a Novichalk attack,
1:00:31
Speaker 1: which I would very much argue that it wasn't. HM
1:00:34
Speaker 1: government has a dedicated facility DSDL hard headquartered at Porton
1:00:38
Speaker 1: Down in Wiltschair, seven or eight miles from the scene
1:00:41
Speaker 1: of the discovery of the scrip ales, and if anybody's
1:00:43
Speaker 1: in an he died about the veracity of the whole
1:00:47
Speaker 1: scrip Ale story. Again, remind everybody to have a look
1:00:50
Speaker 1: at this article The Day of the scripp all by
1:00:53
Speaker 1: Tim Norman, where he has created a timeline of all
1:00:57
Speaker 1: the official narrative stories, all the mainstream press stories as
1:01:01
Speaker 1: they happened. And when you read this and you get
1:01:04
Speaker 1: to the end of it, and it is a long article,
1:01:06
Speaker 1: but it is worth the effort. When you get to
1:01:08
Speaker 1: the end of it, you will discover the major anomalies
1:01:12
Speaker 1: and strangeness of this whole case. And we also cannot
1:01:16
Speaker 1: forget the comments of the earlier chief medical officer talking
1:01:21
Speaker 1: about the use of wet wipes if you felt that
1:01:24
Speaker 1: you had come into contact with Novachok. I mean, this
1:01:27
Speaker 1: story is so full of holes it's unbelievable. And any
1:01:30
Speaker 1: chance that Don Sturges' family have of getting to the
1:01:34
Speaker 1: truth are effectively gone by the fact that the script
1:01:37
Speaker 1: alls themselves will not be attending this inquiry. So we'll
1:01:43
Speaker 1: keep you posted on this as it goes. We've got
1:01:46
Speaker 1: to leave it there for today. We would be back
1:01:48
Speaker 1: in a few minutes for some extra We'll have Willsie
1:01:51
Speaker 1: from Resistance GB joining us for that as well. Please
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Speaker 1: join us I your UK column member and otherwise we
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