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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed R&D Officer From MCC (Part 7) (5/10/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  back in to the interview given by the unnamed R
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  and D officer from MCC Question do you remember being
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  present that day when she was there taking the count? Answer?
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  I was present? Yes. Question all right, now show her
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  the numbers verse what the count looks at? Question so
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  E one shows seventy two? Answer? Uh huh. Question what
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  does the A show? Answer seventy three? Question you see
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  a discrepancy? Answer? Uh huh. Question is that a good
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  count to you? Answer? Uh uh? Question do you recall
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  redacted mentioning the fact that there was a discrepancy in
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  the count? Answer? I don't recall any of that. No.
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  Question do you recall her? He gets cut off by
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  the guard because I didn't prepare the count. So I didn't.
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  If I'm the control officer, I'm control one, So my
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  second body is the one that's preparing the count and
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  taking the counts and viewing the count's slips with the
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  lieutenant who's not there. I'm in charge of the radios,
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  the keys, you know, like account and making sure that
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  all the equipment is accounted. For letting staff know, Hey,
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  we're on duty. We got to do pre announcement and
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  go over equipment and stuff, all those types of things.
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  So no, I didn't. I wouldn't be aware of this
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  if I didn't prepare it, no question. So what happened
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  was Redacted figured out, and this is where we were
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  hoping that you can help us a little bit. And
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  she figured out that Fernandez, who was placed in a
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  dry cell at three point fifteen, was never keyed out
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  of the shoe. However, they're still reporting because he was
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  never keyed out. They're still reporting seventy three, seventy three,
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  seventy three, although there's only seventy two inmates in the shoe.
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  Redacted somehow figures it out. You guys don't have seventy three.
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  You got seventy two. And then either she or someone
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  in control or whomever keys them out. Answer uh huh question.
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  And and so what we want to know is do
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  you remember that happening or the circumstances around that? Answer?
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  No question, No you don't. Does this tell you anything
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  about if these counts were conducted the four pm and
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  the ten pm and the twelve am answer. This just
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  shows that this was conducted. Question No, not the e ones.
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  The account's in the shoe. The count slips if the
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  counts were wrong. Question, So all of them are saying
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  seventy three, although there's only seventy two people. Fernandez leaves
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  that three fifteen. So knowing that you work in the shoe,
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  you work in R and D. And also you can
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  look at the he gets cut off again. Well, and
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  to that she gets cut off by the guard. So
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  these R and D slips show that there's one person
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  in there. Answer is this nine south? Question nine south?
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  So what does that mean? So R and D so
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  on this here the midnight one, right, and also just
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  please take note of the checks that are all over them.
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  There's no checks on these two. Oh and that's the
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  ten PM we're looking at. So we're just trying to
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  piece this thing together. Answer Normally, I'm just going to
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  from my experience when I've had a plus one, it's
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  because it's WITSEC inmate that we could not key in
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  because only certain individuals have the authority and capacity to
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  key those individuals in. So if I got an inmate
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  and chew, that's a WITSEC and staff can't key him
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  in until maybe the unit manager of the WITSEC unit
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  comes in and keys him in, or whatever unit team
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  of the WITSEC unit. We would plus that one because
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  that would show that that's the body that's there that
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  we cannot account for, but he's there. That would have
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  I don't know what it is. Question do you recognize
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  whose handwriting that is the nine plus one? Answer? No?
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  Question okay, So do you know if it's yours? By chance? Answer? No,
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  that's not she gets cut off. Definitely not yours. My
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  assumption is that it was written at midnight, but we
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  still can't figure it out. That's what we're still trying
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  to figure out. We would have thought that the plus
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  one stuff would have happened at the ten pm count,
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  since we believe that's when Reyes was keyed in. He
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  was keyed in on the tenth for the ninth because
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  not reys I'm sorry, Fernandez answer. Normally, when a lieutenant
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  checks off the slips, it's because they're verifying that it's
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  the unit, it's the accurate count, it's the accurate date, time,
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  and staff's signature print of two staff members. That's normally
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  how lieutenant would mark off account slip to verify that question.
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  Is that telling to you at all, that the fact
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  that these aren't checked off. Answer, I don't know why
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  they aren't checked off. I couldn't tell you why. I
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  don't know. Question but those plus one aside from possibly
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  a witsec type of thing, would that make sense with
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  whether it would be a plus one on R and
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  D and a plus one on ZA Answer minus not
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  unless they're the only thing I can gather is that
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  they're saying that this plus one is that's still key
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  to shoe, but it's sitting in R and D. That's
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  the only thing she gets cut off by the investigator.
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  And that would be my assumption too, is that they're
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  saying there are seventy three bodies in the shoe plus
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  one who's actually an R and D, but that seventy
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  three is still off. So I guess what the question
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  would be is the fact that they're using the number
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  that control has although they only have seventy two in
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  their actual housing unit. Answer. Can I just read this again? Question? Absolutely,
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  it also tells us that or I won't say what
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  it tells us, but I just want to know what
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  it tells you. Answer, Yeah, I don't see. Okay, Now
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  you had gave me you had another log question the
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  five pm answer. Didn't you have two logs? Question? So
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  there was another one but that Yeah, there's one from
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  August tenth. Okay, but I didn't show the answer. No,
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  you showed me something with Luti and Perez. Question. I
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  know that's in one answer. Oh question, but this is
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  evening watch. There's a day watch and the night answer. Okay.
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  So his ending was seventy two and he has this
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  guy up here, and this is ten o'clock. This is
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  nine o'clock question, so you want the ten pm count answer? Yeah, question,
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  here's a ten pm count answer. Okay, So this is
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  the ten o'clock count. Okay, So he's not keyed into
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  R and D. So this is where your plus one is.
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  So he's still showing in special housing, but he's in
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  R and D during the ten o'clock count. So this
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  is what makes your seventy three. This is the ten
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  o'clock question. But is that also weird though that this
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  coount cleared with R and D slip R and D
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  one that's never checked off. There's nothing on the E
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  one for R and D answer. Okay, this is acting
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  on way before o'clock. One question before o'clock one, the
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  one we initially showed you where he's also never keyed in,
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  and it is our belief per the person who said
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  that they keyed him in, it was done after midnight.
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  Are you allowed to count an inmate that you can't see?
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  Answer no. Question. If inmate Fernandez was moved from the
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  shoe at three fifteen PM, who should have counted him
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  as part of their account slip? Answer at three fifteen question, Yeah,
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  he was moved at three fifteen and the four pm
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  count was a shoe that should have counted him on
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  the count slip? Or was it supposed to be? R
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  and D Answer, Well, to be honest with you, because
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  I work in R and D, and I'm going to
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  tell you what goes on. They drop inmates in there,
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  and they don't a lot of the time staff. That's
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  why now we tell them, tell us what you're bringing
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  inmates down here for. Because they would bring an inmate
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  down to the place that inmate in a cell, you
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  won't know because you're dealing with the marshals, You're dealing
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  with whatever movement you have going on in R and D,
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  and you won't know that they brought in an inmate
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  down to a cell, so it could work both ways
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  that you know, maybe they figured they were just going
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  to place them down there, keep them down there, and
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  then maybe bring them back upstairs. So it could have
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  been a number of things. But I just know from
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  experience inmates have been brought into R and D that
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  we weren't aware of and we realized walking around R
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  and D, Yeah, we got an inmate in here. What's
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  he down here for? Question? So this for me personally,
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  the E one isn't as concerning on the four PM
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  although the count slip is because R and D it
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  was close to four, it's to the ten. So this
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  is where I started getting like, because there is no
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  R and D count slip, although there's an R and
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  D slip in this one that's never checked off, but
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  it also has no E one notification. So that and
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  to me, it seems like the count slips were created
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  after the fact or manipulated or deleted or I don't know. Answer,
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  I don't know either. Wait a minute, I just want
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  to see. So at four o'clock they had seventy five
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  question but technically at that point they were missing three inmates.
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  Re Reyes had gone, Fernandez was moved and Epstein was
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  sitting in an attorney conference. Answer, okay, but where's the
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  attorney conference? Oh? Here it is, So this is attorney
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  conference right here. This is a counselor for the attorney conference.
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  Question that would say Sadie on top. Okay, answer, yeah,
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  So this is the attorney conference question, right, that's the
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  one answer. This is all the inmates out to court
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  with the Southern District, is it question? So yeah, physically
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  present in the shoe at four pm? Was the seventy
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  five I mean seventy four answer? Not indiscernible question, although
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  they were reported seventy five because of Fernandez. Was indiscernible
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  answer Epstein accounted for in the attorney conference. But this
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  is an outcount question, correct answer, And he's keyed out
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  on the outcount. And this is where it shows he's
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  actually sitting in key two at the time. So this
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  shows that he's in attorney conference. Question, right answer, because
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  he's keyed out on the outcount to the attorney conference.
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  And what I was expressing to you guys earlier about
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  the courts, how we used to do it indiscernible. Maybe
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  it's a couple indiscernible. Okay, this is what we used
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  to do in R and D as far as the outcount,
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  So this would say the inmate outcounts, name, registered number,
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  what unit and cel he came from, and how many
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  from whatever his unit is. So if we had three
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  out from that unit to court, it would be three
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  or whatever how many numbers and this is how we
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  would this is what we would show in the system
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  that the inmate went out to court that day. Question,
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  and that's an inmate you or expect back? Answer right? Question.
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  So if Rayus is not on there, does that mean
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  that Rayus is gone and you're not expecting him back? Answer? Well,
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  if he was keyed out at eight what did that say?
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  Eight thirty three? Question? Eight thirty eight, Yeah, answer, then
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  he wouldn't show up on this as an outcount because
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  that means he's keyed out. Question he's gone. Okay, So
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  people that are going to court that are expected to
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  come back would be on that sheet. Answer right, But
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  we don't. She gets cut off by the investigator. But
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  Reyus was not expected to come back. Answer right, And
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  from the looks of this, I didn't work that shift.
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  That wasn't my shift. Question. Yeah, No, we didn't believe
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  it was you might have left beforehand? Answer. I might
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  have left. This might have been the day shift, and
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  I might have worked the evening shift, so I might
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  have worked. I don't know, but I just know that
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  I wasn't dealing with the courts the movement at that time,
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  just from looking at the outcount. All right, folks, we're
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  gonna wrap this episode up right here, and in the
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  next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up
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