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Episode 6: Dinosaurs, Transcendent Art, and Armpits · Looking Into

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Thing is, with everyone so up in arms about AI, it's good for us
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to fuck up from time to time. It's spelling errors are sexy.
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Grammatical errors are in vogue, you know.
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I am going to fight you on that one.
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I disagree with you. Yeah, but you know, people
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appreciate those, the human error, I think right now.
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So it's OK to cough. We can cough.
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Listeners really appreciate it. This is a live recording without
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really editing, no? AI here.
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No AI, I mean, although robots, because you're listening.
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We do want you to know that we think you're very nice.
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And please don't come after us. Yeah.
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But and also robots. Thanks for tuning in with all
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the humans who are listening to but I'm bum bum looking and no
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that's we don't have a song looking into.
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If they already played us in. It is a podcast where we talk
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about pop culture. We are friends.
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Oh wait, I got the order wrong. See that's.
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OK, we're two friends who discuss pop culture.
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Oh. My gosh.
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I'm not gonna read up. You're so close.
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You're so you've got it. You're on it.
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I believe I. Mean culture, the human
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experience, and where the twain shall meet or so or something.
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It's so good. I'm so proud of you.
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Look at you. Just a.
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Couple of humans talking about stuff.
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New day with Caleb and Heidi. Yes, we're here to bring you all
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the things. OK, well, great.
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We are humans. And on that note, I do want to
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voice my complaint because I have a complaint.
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Please complain. OK so my dear friend Jamie has
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been listening to our podcast and thinks you're wonderful
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because she's very intelligent, has excellent taste, obviously
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love that she's friends with me so.
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Shout out to Jamie. Yeah, And she was like talking
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about the interaction where I snuck a text to Brandon and he
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came down and gave me a hair tie.
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And you were like, what? Like we were responding because
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we could actually see each other and was asking how we record.
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And she was like, I just he sounds.
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So she was expressing a desire to be able to actually see
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video, which we will be posting soon on our Instagram.
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So everybody hold your damn horses for that.
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It's gonna be fine. And she was talking about how
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you're so likable and even how like when you're talking about
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your cult and like wanting like come, people come.
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But she's. Like she does she want to join?
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I think so. OK, you can join Jamie.
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Trying to like picture you and I was like he always has live
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videos posted. Let me pull up his Instagram
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because I'm sure he has a live video and you can see him right
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now. Caleb, I have stalked your
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Instagram today and you have not posted any live videos so you
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made a liar out of me. That is my.
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Complaint I just what am I supposed to do if I'm trying to
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help support the cult of Caleb and people want to see videos of
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your charismatic self? You baby, you got to be making
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me content so that I can like help in the recruitment process.
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That is my complaint. I am receiving that complaint
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directly to the complaint department.
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And I, you know, it's funny because a few times this is
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something that I've heard in the last week, like 3 or 4 times
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I've run into people, I, I ran into someone that I haven't seen
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in a few years. And he's like, it's weird
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because you've just kind of like dropped off of social media.
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You used to post like a, you know, you were at the gym or you
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were talking shit about something that was happening,
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you know, whatever it was because I like to talk shit.
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But I think that I mean, we've talked about this, things are a
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little heavy in the community, in the queer community in
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Seattle right now. And it's just like it's felt too
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heavy. And I've felt like if I
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honestly, if I say what I feel, it's going to be too much.
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Yeah, I kind of, you know, I don't want people to see that
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version of me. So I'm trying to keep it light.
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Or my mother or someone taught me a teacher or someone at one
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point in my life. Let's shout out to my mom.
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I'll just say it was her. If you don't have anything nice
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to say, just don't say anything at all.
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So I don't have anything nice to say on the Internet right now a
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lot of days. And so I don't say anything at
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all. But I'll try to get back to
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making fun, snarky, witty content.
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Sooner you don't need to because I appreciate the commitment to
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authenticity, OK and I feel like anytime I've gotten into like a
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habit of posting things, it starts to feel like an
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obligation very, very quickly and as soon as it starts to feel
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like an obligation, I'm out. This actually may be the first
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thing I've done where it hasn't felt obligatory, like I'm
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actually like consistently getting joy from this way to be
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life giving. So here's here's we're here's
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what we're going to do. We're going to protect your
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authenticity. We're also going to take care of
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my girl. So I'm going to film you through
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this ring light that I'm filming in front of.
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You're just going to say hi to Jamie really quick and that way
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she can like actually see you. You just go.
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Hi, Jamie, welcome to the podcast.
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We sure do love you. I'm Caleb and that's that's what
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I have to say. I should have looked up here.
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Well, it's OK. She'll she'll see the recording
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later. You're perfect.
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And I'll send it to her right now.
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So we're all good. All good.
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Thank you. Yeah.
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OK, love. What have you been looking into?
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Now I feel like I need to hold on.
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I need to take a picture of us doing this.
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Look at us. OK, great.
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Hi. And I see the back of my head.
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But note for the audio, note for the audio, we look real cute.
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So I'm actually having a phenomenal hair day.
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You are. Look at those silky logs.
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Wow, my gosh, sad for all of you who are just listening on audio.
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We are gonna actually create some audio content now.
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So, Caleb. Do we have do we have a YouTube
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yet? Have we done that?
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Remember, I'm in the middle of a career transition and in a month
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or so all of that will be I'm sure.
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I created YouTube. Too.
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So like, it's not like you have to do it.
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I could just go to YouTube and do it.
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Yeah, but you're the one with two full time jobs.
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Well, look at us all. Look at us.
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All working so hard. OK I love it.
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OK stop stalling. What are you looking into?
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What am I looking into? I want to know what am I looking
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into? I don't really know what I'm
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looking into. I never know what I'm looking
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into. What is going on?
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It's the name of our podcast. I know, right?
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Like who? Who thought it?
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Not like we buried the lead. Like, come on.
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We're, you know, we just we're keeping it lively here.
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I am I am curious, have you are you interested in like Nature
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docs? Sure.
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OK yeah. Like I I love me some planet
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earth. OK.
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I love David Attenborough. Like he can narrate anything for
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me. I don't really like animals
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dying. The jungles.
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The jungles scare me cuz I think they're like a hellscape and
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especially the funky mushrooms that like attack specific
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insects and like kill colonies like the zombie things.
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I don't know a lot of nature freaks me out, but I have been
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known to rock a good nature doc, yeah.
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The nature. So with that, did you watch the
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most recent dinosaur documentary?
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It was like planet Earth, but dinosaurs.
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No. Do you have any interest in
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dinosaurs? No, but my kid does.
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Of course all kids do. Like kids are obsessed with
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dinosaurs. Well, also people are obsessed
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with dinosaurs. We can't stop.
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Making dinosaur movies. Yeah.
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And so there's recently there's a couple dinosaur documentaries
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that have come out because I think maybe they're finding out
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more about dinosaurs or something like that.
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Constant science, paleontology and whatever else.
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They, whatever, whatever other sciences are involved in
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dinosaurs and good for them really figuring things out.
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I watched the, I watched the most recent one on Netflix.
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I think it is great. OK.
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Yeah, I just was kind of bummed out.
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They just all die and I'm just like, you know what a bummer?
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It just is not that fun. And like there's no happy ending
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except for perhaps maybe a cataclysmic extinction level
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event. It could happen to us and then
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the Earth will just keep moving on.
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That's what I took away from that dinosaur movie is like,
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Earth is doing good. 5 billion years or something like that.
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Yeah, she's been around doing her thing.
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Hundreds of millions of years of evolutionary biodiversity and
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resets and cataclysms and all of that and.
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You were using so many good words.
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Here we are finding ourselves, you know, in the year of our
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Lord 2026, and we're just, you know, fucking it up left and
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right. Human, humans, you know, we're
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just kind of like not doing great.
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And it just makes me wonder. Is it time for I can tell alt,
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delete, reset? Yeah, Yeah.
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Is it time? Does it?
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Am I scared of that? I don't think so.
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I think I'm kind of like, maybe it is.
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Maybe it is time. It might be a little nihilistic
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of me, but that's how so I'm feeling.
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I wouldn't say I looked into it, I'm just posing the question.
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OK, so this is because you watched the documentary called
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The Dinosaurs on Netflix. Yeah, The dinosaurs.
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Yeah. So, you know, and I think Morgan
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Freeman or no, it wasn't Morgan, Was it Morgan Freeman that
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narrates it? I don't know.
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You didn't even know the name of it.
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We're going to know the narrator.
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All right, All right, I'll go into IMDb.
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We'll be legit here. Somebody tell us.
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Oh my gosh, yeah. I think it's a great question.
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And you know what? My son just recently was giving
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me his hypothesis on what would have happened if the meteor that
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hit Cuz that's his current theory on what happened in the
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dinosaurs if the meteor had missed Earth and what would
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happen if dinosaurs had not been extinguished.
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Has has he watched the dinosaur? Did you say that?
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No, they my kids, man, they are great thinkers.
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It is narrated by Morgan Freeman, by the way.
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Good job. Good.
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And if you know one thing, he's the one to know.
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So anyway, my kids are great thinkers.
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They're great readers. They're very sensitive to visual
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input and and music. So like they don't like tension
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or anything that is is scary or conflict.
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Like they would run out of the room during the build up of a
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survivor vote because they would make them tense and they're like
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discomfort, nervous system reacting cannot abort, abort.
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They, like, run away. That's sweet, I love that.
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They actually, I had them watch Project Hail Mary with me this
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weekend and they made it through and it was great.
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But they were like curled up on the couch hiding under blankets
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during the, you know, 1 segment of like intense action.
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And they were like yelling at me, Mom, is this gonna happen?
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Is it gonna be a bad ending? So all that to say, I don't
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think they could handle the dinosaurs and I would have to
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screen it first. They think they can.
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They, I'm sure that. And you know what?
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My 10 year old probably could. But my 8 year old who's the one
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who's really interested in dinosaurs is the one who's very
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like, receptive to any sort of ominous feelings and will run
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away. Well, it's ominous, yeah.
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Spoiler alert, they all die. Well, I'm and that's see, so
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that's not a nature dock for me. It's not fun.
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It's. Are they are they fluffy and
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feathered? Because my favorite dinosaur
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fact that I saw recently was that they might have been fluffy
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and feathered, and I really like the idea of fat fluffy Dinos.
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There were some fluffy feathered Dinos.
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There was a fluffy feathered Tyrannosaurus.
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Well, it wasn't a Tyrannosaurus Rex, but it was a something
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Hours Rex. Did it look cuddly?
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Yeah, but shortly after it's seen, they explained that all
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the volcanoes blew up and killed all the dinosaurs.
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It happened so many times, you know, because, and that's
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another wild path that I'm going down and maybe I'll look into
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this soon. Is there's this theory, probably
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not real, probably not real, but there's this theory that perhaps
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in those hundreds of millions of years that there could have even
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been advanced civilizations of human civilizations back then,
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kind of like ancient aliens, but ancient humans potentially.
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I'm down with either of those theories.
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Yeah, I love that. So fierce.
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I love that. Yeah.
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They. Say they were saying you could
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all, all evidence of human existence will probably be gone
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within a million years, like all the plastics and all the
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everything, like it's all going to be gone in a million years.
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So they're essentially could be, could have been ancient advanced
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civilizations and we just will never know them because we're
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like, you know, we're not even like 100,000 years in or
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something. I'm not a I'm not a
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paleontologist, y'all. Yeah, I'm an.
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Event producer and not a cataclysmic event producer,
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though I would love to. I'm sure you would choreograph a
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great apocalypse. You'd produce an excellent show
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here. OK, I have.
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I have two thoughts before they slip away from my brain.
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Please. One of them.
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I'm gonna say for a second. The first one is OK.
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I, I think we would all benefit from being able to have these
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moments of awareness where we zoom out from our existence and
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the things that get us so overwhelmed and overworked in
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our current days to have that kind of big picture perspective
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that it is like we are not the center of the universe.
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And there are many people who think that they are and maybe
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need to be reminded that they are.
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They, you know, you're, you're a, you're a speck of dust, babe,
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like here today, gone tomorrow. Let's be faithful with the time
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that we've been given, but also recognize that like we are not
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it, you know? I mean, exactly that.
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And it's it's the just this cute little blip.
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And thank goodness that it happened because we're here
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experiencing life. But yeah, I think it it's
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simultaneously like I watched it and mind you, I watched it in
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like March. By the way, I didn't watch it
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like this week, but I'm only starting to like process it.
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Your brain is fascinating to me, I really have.
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This, like, existential moment watching the end of the show
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that I was like, really hurting. It's like really hurting.
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Wait for the dinosaurs, the planet, or humanity for.
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The dinosaurs, they didn't deserve it.
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They had no control, just imagining what it must have been
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like to be just a sweet little Stegosaurus, you know, or
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whatever. I think that they also
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Stegosaurus wasn't around at that time, but it's just a sweet
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little dinosaur and you're out there just having a munch on
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some grass and then an asteroid the size of Texas or however big
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it was making things up. It just hits the Earth and now
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suddenly there's waves and smoke.
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It's a billion atomic bombs have just gone off and you're dead
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and, like, your little babies are dead.
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And it's just not good. It's not.
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It wasn't lovely, but I had this existential moment.
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And it also allowed me to pull back and be like, you know what?
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It's all OK. It's all going to be OK.
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My gosh. OK, I, I, I don't even know what
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you want me to do with that. Other than.
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I don't. I don't think that you're the
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only one who feels sad about the dinosaurs.
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I do feel like every animated dinosaur film is gut wrenching
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and heartbreaking. Like my?
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God. Land before time, sweet
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littlefoot. The Disney stupid The Good
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Dinosaur will rip your heart right out of your chest in the
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1st 10 minutes. Like, what is it with dinosaurs
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that make us so, so sad? And it's probably just all the
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murder and the death. It's the, it's the death.
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It's. The sad Yeah, Yeah, well, I have
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an idea of what we could try before we hit CTRL alt delete on
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this current phase of planet Earth.
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Great. What is?
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It OK, it's kind of crazy. It's like it's and I don't say
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that lightly. Like it is a way out there.
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Like we have exhausted everything that we have tried or
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even thought to come up with, you know, in the action movies
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where it's like, oh, you got to break out the like special key
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that's in the snap plastic. You got to snap it and get out
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the code. This is like the big time DEFCON
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6. Like I don't know what that code
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means, but like this is drastic measures.
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Serious stuff. I think we should try a
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matriarchy and I think that might fix a lot of our issues.
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I'm so here for it. Can we just maybe please pull
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out that crazy nuclear code and just turn that key and let the
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women on this planet try to reset things before we just
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completely surrender to a cataclysmic event?
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I feel like we could do a good job.
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I think probably you could. Has there ever been?
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Like is there a famous matriarchy that we could point
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to? You could look into that if you
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wanted to. I'm there.
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I'm confident they exist. I'm confident that they are not
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readily available in our present yeah world.
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But hey, if there's any sociologists.
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Sociologists sociological ologist making a part exactly
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what do they do the the study of like people in ancient.
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Cultures. Anthropology.
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Yeah, but there's like sociological anthropology.
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I think that's what I was trying to put together.
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OK. Yeah.
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Where you specifically study like ancient cultures in
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society. Like, hey, listeners, if you
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have this niche knowledge base, yeah, we need to know.
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Give us some examples of matriarchal societies.
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Yeah, you can e-mail us at Looking Into pod@gmail.com.
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You can also follow us on Instagram at Looking Into pod.
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I think is that. Right.
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It's you're so close looking into podcasts.
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It actually has Yeah, full name. Because we're not fucking
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dweebs. It's podcast Jesus Christ,
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Caleb. Yeah.
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Looking into podcasts on all socialmediaplatformsand@gmail.com.
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My gosh, yes, one day. Sure.
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OK, this is actually a nice segue into what I've been
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looking into, your existential crisis that you have now been
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sitting on for months. And they're like, OK, because
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I'm gonna launch an idea that we kind of kicked around last week,
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but I've officially named it now, which is a second look.
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So I want to go back to something that we've already
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talked about love. It.
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Let's do it. OK, you asked me last week after
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finally watching the John Mulaney comedy special Baby Jay,
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why I recommended it to you. Yeah.
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And I thought about it a lot more after we talked because I
20:55
was on the spot. I wasn't prepared to answer that
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question. I'd love to put you on the spot,
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I do too, but I my first thought is not usually the full thought
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or the right thought. That's totally fair.
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Why do I just think and come back to it?
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And the real reason I really enjoy that is because it's so
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much bigger than just a comedy special.
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And I really love when stories or art and media kind of
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transcends and is something bigger than the thing itself,
21:30
like where the whole is bigger than the sum of its parts, you
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know? Oh gosh, I'm quoting a famous
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psychologist. Just salt.
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It's a OK, never mind. I don't have time to go into
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psychological theory for you right now.
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No, no, no, I get it though. I get it.
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I I think I've heard it before. I just hear whole.
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OK, you get distracted in the same way that you can watch the
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dinosaurs on Netflix and come away with this big existential
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awareness of thought around the meaning and transient nature of
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human existence. Are you still with me?
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If I lost you on bad Internet on this topic, I'm going to be so
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cranky about. It no, I'm still here.
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You're still here, OK, You're just getting a little pixelated,
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but. OK, yeah, I'm still here.
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And you're not talking, so you're entranced by my thoughts.
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OK, I'm just captivating. I'll continue.
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Yes, damn it. But I lost my train of thought.
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OK, OK. So I feel like there are comedy
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specials and comedy shows that are just bits strung together by
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a very, you know, a talented individual who can put stuff
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together. John Mulaney Special is so much
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bigger than that. And he has like, the benefit of
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having a story to tell. So it really has like, a
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narrative that's chronological and can really transcend the
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genre. But that's why I found it so
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powerful and meaningful. It's because it's bigger than
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just a really funny show. And there's a couple other
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pieces of art that I feel like come to mind for me.
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And I'm really curious. The question I'm going to ask
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you at the end of this is, are there any other examples that
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you can think of besides the dinosaurs on Netflix narrated by
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Morgan Freeman, which we absolutely prepared all those
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details ahead of time because we're a legitimate.
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Todd, there it is. If there's other like
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experiences that you've had that are like that cause so with just
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within the comedy genre, the ones that come to mind for me
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are Bo Burnham has a couple specials that I feel like are
23:33
really profound when it comes to his reflections on music and
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industry and fame. Hannah Gatsby, her original
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special, Nanette won all kinds of awards and it's really a
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profound piece of work on not just her experience.
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And it's not just funny, but it also goes really deep into like
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queer trauma and her lived experience and it's powerful.
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Her follow up special Douglas is my personal favorite and it goes
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in like it's quite an exposition of her experience living with
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autism. And I just am really fascinated
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by and intrigued by books or music or movies or things like
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comedy that can be bigger than just this one thing, you know,
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where it's like it's transcendent and takes you
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beyond. You walk away from it with,
24:21
like, a deeper, meaningful, richer experience because.
24:26
And I love a good blockbuster flick, like I love a movie where
24:28
you're gonna go in and you're gonna be entertained.
24:30
Yeah. But then sometimes you walk out
24:32
and you've had a profound experience.
24:34
And you feel like I am different now than I was two hours ago
24:37
when I walked into this theater. And I think that is that those
24:40
are my favorite moments, and those are the ones that I
24:42
really, really love. Yeah, transformative cinema.
24:46
But like, I think there's something really special about
24:53
it being a comedy that makes you feel something deeply.
24:59
Yeah. Because that's not expected,
25:01
right? Yeah, yeah.
25:03
But we've discussed before how I and I think I believe that the
25:08
best comedy comes from. A.
25:12
Place of probably pain and trauma and the brokenness within
25:16
us because there's like this relatability and you know what?
25:19
Something for me, like when something really awful happens,
25:23
I am sometimes moved to laughter because it's like, I'm gonna
25:30
laugh about this, right? Because I, I don't have the time
25:33
to have a meltdown about it. Like I'm just this is you're
25:37
gonna laugh. Because if you don't laugh,
25:38
you're gonna cry. And also, sometimes you don't
25:41
know how how to respond other than you've got to be fucking
25:43
kidding me. Like I cannot.
25:44
I have no other response other than to throw my head back and
25:47
just guffaw. And I'm being punked right now.
25:50
I must be being punked. Like, I don't even know how to
25:53
respond to that. Yeah, OK.
25:56
Comedy coming from pain. Yes, so comedy, I think, and
26:02
honestly, I'm going to have to do a little bit of looking into
26:05
this because there are a few. They're not just like coming to
26:09
mind right now, but there are some shows that I've watched
26:13
over the last few years that I think I would love to like share
26:19
because that's great. Right away, the one that comes
26:22
to my mind because I've been watching it is The Comeback,
26:25
that series that I told you about with Lisa Kudrow.
26:27
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
26:29
I've watched it almost down to the last two episodes of the
26:32
final season, so I think I'll probably watch those tonight.
26:35
But that is one. It's very much a comedy, but
26:38
like a dramedy, I guess. But you know, it's just so
26:42
interesting. Yeah, Yeah.
26:44
But I think that that's probably as far as transformative.
26:49
If you can hit all of those markers of comedy and drama and
26:55
romance and like everything wrapped into one, that's
26:59
cinematic gold, right? That's.
27:01
Yeah, yeah. Triple platinum.
27:03
And I love it when it takes me by surprise too.
27:05
Like sometimes you go in and you expect something to be massive.
27:10
Like I remember walking in walking out of Dune 2.
27:14
I remember walking out of End game, The Avengers like
27:18
culmination film and feeling like that totally transported me
27:24
out of my life and out of my reality for a while and has, you
27:26
know, I will forever remember the experience that I have right
27:29
now in this moment. But sometimes it totally takes
27:31
you by surprise. And I feel like that was our
27:35
experience with Heated Rivalry, which was the inspiration for, I
27:37
mean, why we started this podcast came out of a
27:41
conversation that we could not stop having about the different
27:45
impacts we were both experiencing in response to that
27:47
show and how how meaningful and how different they were based on
27:51
our own lived experience. Yeah.
27:54
And I think that that show in particular obviously took the
27:56
whole a whole world, I don't know if it's international, but
28:00
a big portion of the world by storm in an unexpected response
28:04
like that. Yeah.
28:06
Sometimes you can feel it in the moment.
28:07
Yeah, a sillier one for me was I remember walking out of Avatar.
28:12
I saw Avatar in the theaters and now I have a very different
28:16
relationship with Avatar. I don't think it's aged well,
28:19
but I remember walking out of that theater and feeling really
28:25
moved primarily by the relationship that the Navi had
28:30
with the world that they inhabited.
28:33
And it was so like respectful and, and holistic.
28:39
And I remember I drove nicer on the way home 'cause I wanted to
28:43
like, be respectful to the other cars on the road, the way that
28:46
they were with, like their other, you know, their, I can't,
28:49
I, you know, whatever. I just remember that being an
28:51
unexpected spiritual experience and feeling really transformed
28:54
after watching that movie, being like there's a different way to
28:57
interact with the world. Yeah, absolutely.
28:59
I think that that's that is like the power of cinema.
29:01
And it happens in music, it happens in books, it happens in
29:04
all of these like art mediums. And that's the point.
29:07
That's why art is still such an important part of our societal
29:13
structure. Like there are the arts, you
29:15
know what I mean? And it, it does, it's so
29:20
important to like allow that impact into our lives.
29:23
And like you said, you know, maybe Avatar itself didn't age
29:27
well cinematically or whatever, but the the concept is still
29:31
powerful, you know, and the relation, you know, the
29:35
cultural, it's telling a story about culture that has existed,
29:41
like relationship with the Earth and like cultural understanding
29:46
that has existed for, you know, thousands of years, right.
29:49
So it's it's interesting and it's great.
29:54
Yeah, I think good for good for them.
29:57
I don't like the, I don't like the movies.
29:59
I haven't seen the most recent one either.
30:01
But you know, Hollywood will do if it if it'll do one thing, it
30:04
will bastardize an idea and beat it into the ground, that's for
30:08
sure. And spend millions of dollars
30:10
doing it. Good for good for Hollywood.
30:13
Well, OK, I'll give you a different example cuz I I should
30:16
have known. I knew that one was gonna ruffle
30:17
feathers. It's hopefully they're gonna be
30:19
done for saying it's. Great.
30:21
It's. Great.
30:24
I remember watching Swan Lake at the Oregon Ballet Theatre and
30:29
like ugly sobbing at the end of it 'cause I was so transfixed by
30:34
the story in the performance. And I have never before nor ever
30:38
since been moved by a dance performance like that.
30:41
And I love dance. I love watching dance, but I I
30:44
will always remember that experience and being like gutted
30:48
by the ending of that. And just like, not being able to
30:50
like, like Brandon had to help me walk down the stairs 'cause I
30:53
was like, sobbing. It was like sobbed myself into a
30:57
migraine. And yeah, I just think it's so,
31:00
it's so not that John Mulaney's special made me sob myself into
31:04
a migraine, but it is one of those pieces of art that I feel
31:08
like is bigger than the medium that it stands within.
31:14
And I wanted you to experience that.
31:16
That's why I wanted you to watch it.
31:17
Because when you said I don't do stand up, I was like, well, this
31:20
is actually good stand up. It's not just like vapid.
31:23
It's not just cheap laughs. It's not punching down.
31:26
It's like a real, vulnerable, authentic, creatively done human
31:30
story. Storytelling.
31:32
I love storytelling and storytelling is such a powerful
31:34
art form. So, you know, sharing one's own
31:38
story is is going to be, you know, more powerful than some
31:45
like jokes strung together. I'm not like in super into
31:48
roasts or whatever, but I was actually the the recent roast of
31:53
Kevin Hart. I think there was a lot of like,
31:56
drama around it, but I saw one quote from one of the comics who
32:04
her husband had committed suicide and people were making
32:07
some crazy jokes about that. And she was like, that's fine.
32:12
I knew what I mean. People ran the jokes by me and I
32:15
basically was like, look, make your jokes, but make sure
32:19
they're funny and, you know, know where you're walking out,
32:23
you know, be aware of what you're saying and where you are
32:25
because you're in my neighborhood.
32:26
And when you walk out those doors, I'm not going to be the
32:29
person you need to worry about. But she was like, we need to
32:32
take that conversation, whatever the conversation is we're
32:35
having. If you're going to make jokes
32:37
about my husband killing himself post his tour in Iraq, we should
32:43
then talk about mental health and mental health services and,
32:46
and what the what veterans are going through.
32:49
So it's like, I guess that just draws, like all of these art
32:53
forms have a connection to the real world.
32:56
And if we can find a way, what's the like, what's the, what am I
33:03
trying to say? Art should impact our lives.
33:07
It should transform us. It should take us to that next,
33:11
you know, that next level in our in our world and what do we want
33:16
to do? How does it inspire us to go out
33:17
and change the world around us? Yeah.
33:19
So yeah, I think John Mulaney's special was a great example of
33:24
that storytelling that was really fun.
33:27
And I've thought about it a few times since then.
33:29
I'm like, you know, running those little stories in my head.
33:32
So. Yeah.
33:36
Well, thank you for that. Hey, I want to do a quick vocab
33:39
lesson. Is that OK?
33:40
Yeah, OK. And maybe it's not, maybe it's
33:43
not vocab. Maybe it's like, I don't know,
33:46
history, word, whatever. You used a really interesting
33:48
phrase and it's a very common phrase when you were talking
33:50
about the Kevin Hart roast and you said committed suicide.
33:53
Can I talk about that for a second?
33:54
Sure, yeah. OK, do you know what I'm about
33:57
to say? And then I'm gonna push back on
33:59
the word committed. Are you gonna say died by
34:01
suicide? I am, yeah.
34:03
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want?
34:05
Do you know why? Do you know the history of that?
34:08
But no, I don't. But I do know that now.
34:11
That's what what people say. Yeah.
34:12
But please tell. Tell.
34:13
Us, yeah. I want to explain because I
34:15
think it's a really interesting nuance.
34:17
It has to do with suicide used to be prosecuted like a homicide
34:22
or a murder. And so it's criminology language
34:25
which comes with guilt, it comes with shame.
34:29
We don't say that people commit cancer.
34:31
We don't say that people commit diabetes or heart attack or
34:34
things. We say like you commit murder.
34:36
And so somebody who could be in a lethal amount of emotional
34:40
pain and try to end their life would then be prosecuted for
34:43
trying to murder themselves and thrown in jail.
34:45
And so it's just the history of the word is kind of steeped in
34:48
this criminology mindset that comes with, like, guilt and
34:52
shame. And I just while we're talking
34:54
mental health, we can do like, language matters.
34:57
Words matter. And so, yeah, we just want to
35:00
like challenge anybody who's listening to that to maybe try
35:03
to change some of your usage of that word so that we can enter
35:07
into those conversations with a little bit more grace and
35:09
empathy. I'm obsessed with that.
35:11
What is? Is it still illegal?
35:13
Is it still criminalized or has that been changed, do you know?
35:19
No, I don't know. I don't know.
35:20
I don't work in law enforcement. But I don't think that you are
35:22
like, if you go to an emergency room because you have attempted
35:26
to end your life, they're not going to put you in handcuffs
35:28
and take you to jail. Yeah, because I think that is
35:30
something that I did know and had heard, right.
35:32
And I think that was something that I think maybe when I was a
35:36
kid, I've I never, no. Well, anyway, I when I was a
35:43
kid, I remember hearing that it was like, well, you better do it
35:50
or they're gonna you're gonna go to prison for trying to kill
35:54
yourself or whatever it is. So there was like a scare
35:56
tactic, I think. So that's just interesting.
35:58
But yeah, great. Great to know why the verbiage
36:03
has changed, because I have heard the verbiage has changed,
36:05
but I didn't actually connect those dots.
36:07
That's great. Yeah, yeah.
36:09
Well, you know, if anybody out there needs a certified suicide
36:13
prevention instructor, I am a certified.
36:17
Yeah. Yeah, I'm happy to talk to you
36:21
about that at any point in time. But yeah, what's?
36:23
The hotline? What's the mental health
36:25
services hotline? Is it 9?
36:27
988988 Baby yeah. Dial that if you need it.
36:32
It is a great hotline and there's local numbers, numbers
36:34
everywhere. So if that is something, if you
36:37
are feeling like you're in a mental health crisis, don't ever
36:39
hesitate to reach out. That's the strongest thing that
36:41
you can do for yourself. It's you refusing to fail.
36:43
And you are not alone. And there's somebody who will
36:45
walk alongside it with you is help.
36:48
I promise. You don't have to get there on
36:49
your own. And it's really hard, but it's
36:51
not going to be this hard forever, I promise.
36:53
Yeah. I love that it does get better.
36:55
That is what they say, it gets better.
36:58
Yeah, I coughed right over that. So thank you for your
37:03
inspiration. Yeah, you're so welcome.
37:05
All right, All right. Yeah.
37:08
So we looked into that. We looked into two things so
37:10
far. Yeah, that.
37:13
I mean, the main thing that I wanted to talk about was
37:16
revisiting that. Oh no, I did have something else
37:21
I wanted to connect to this, so let's.
37:22
Talk about it. OK, one of the most
37:26
transformative pieces of art that I have experienced in my
37:29
recent life is the Broadway musical Hades Town.
37:34
And I've talked to you about this a couple times.
37:36
You. Have.
37:37
Yes, yes, it's super relevant because the Tonys just happened
37:42
and also Hades Town was recently filmed in London on the West End
37:48
stage with five of the original Broadway cast members in a pro
37:52
shot. So you know when you watch
37:53
Hamilton on Disney, the pro shot version, like you can actually
37:56
like watch the stage show, but it's like on your screen.
38:00
I've never yes. So yes.
38:02
And I've never seen, I've never seen that happen and I've never
38:05
seen Hamilton. But yes, OK, I get it.
38:10
Wow, brain stopped focus, focus focus down.
38:15
OK, sorry, I just rewrote my brain.
38:20
OK, I'm sorry. I need a second.
38:24
That just really derailed a lot of things.
38:29
OK, It's like if you wanna watch the live stage show, but not on
38:32
a bootlegged version. Sure.
38:34
OK. OK, so it's like a
38:35
professionally filmed, like you can watch the live stage show.
38:40
OK, I knew that they'd filmed it.
38:42
They just premiered it at Tribeca for January, July 24th
38:51
or 25th. There's two different dates
38:52
circulating, but I'm the one I see most consistently is July
38:55
24th. AMC has a contract to release it
38:57
for five days on big screen TV's in not big screen TV's in like
39:02
AMC theatres. And I'm annoyed because there's
39:05
nothing that says where it's going to be streaming.
39:07
So I don't know if it's just a theatre event, but you need, we
39:12
need to like maybe I will come to Seattle and I will drag your
39:14
ass to a theatre and we will watch it together.
39:18
Because I discovered that show when I was trying to listen to
39:20
the Newsies on my house robot Alexa.
39:24
But she did not like me because I was not the alpha in the
39:27
family at that time. And so I kept saying, hey, name
39:30
that I'm not going to say right now because I don't want to
39:32
activate all the ALEXAS that might be hearing the podcast.
39:36
Oh. Wow.
39:37
Yeah. And I was like, hey, play the
39:40
Newsies. And she was like, now playing
39:42
Hades Town. And I was like, bitch, that's
39:43
not what I wanted. I said, play the Newsies.
39:45
And she was like, now playing Hades Town.
39:47
And I was like, what are you doing to me?
39:49
And then this trombone started, and it was this funky lick.
39:54
And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm sorry, what is this?
39:57
Whoa, whoa, whoa. And so we just turned it up and
39:59
we listened. And it was during lockdown that
40:01
I heard it for the first time. So like in the midst of the most
40:03
depressing season of our recent lives.
40:07
This jazzy, funky, bluesy, soulful, like beautiful story
40:12
and it's it's the story of Orpheus and Eurydice and Hades
40:17
and Persephone. So classic, classic, timeless
40:20
stories about love and loss and and sacrifice and hope.
40:27
And that's the main that is the main heart of this show is
40:32
Orpheus sees the world as a place it could be instead of how
40:35
it is. And it's just this like,
40:38
heartbreaking story of like hope.
40:41
And it's so beautifully done. And I just remember it like it.
40:44
It will. I knew when I was listening to
40:47
it, this is something that's going to change my life.
40:49
And it totally did. I'm really, really excited.
40:51
Also, the original Broadway cast is phenomenal.
40:54
Like Patrick Page plays Hades and he's got this deep, like
40:58
bassy voice. Andre De Shields plays Hermes
41:01
and he's this like, he's just profound.
41:04
He's like a voice that you hear and you'll never, ever hear
41:07
anything like it again. And I'm obsessed with the two
41:10
leads. Reeve Carney and Eva Noblozada,
41:15
who are now married. And they play the romantic leads
41:19
in the show. And it's so like, they're so
41:21
amazing. And so, yeah.
41:25
So just plan. You gotta meet.
41:26
I need you to look at your calendar because we're gonna go
41:28
see it in July. OK.
41:30
In July. OK, July, I'll look at my
41:33
calendar. July, I may be in Portland, Busy
41:36
month, but we'll make it. We'll make it happen.
41:38
OK, well, July 24th is when it's supposed to be releasing.
41:42
So that weekend you need to look at your calendar because you and
41:46
I have a date. OK cool, I will be in Seattle
41:48
that weekend. Then I will be in Seattle that
41:50
weekend as well. Love it.
41:51
OK, yes, great. That's.
41:55
What I wanted to talk about. Well, that's great.
41:57
I love Broadway I. You can't say that if you
42:02
haven't seen Hamilton. No, I absolutely can.
42:07
Absolutely can. OK.
42:12
I just haven't. We're gonna need an expert.
42:13
We're gonna need an expert cast. We're gonna call you up to weigh
42:16
in on this podcast episode because you we need your opinion
42:19
in your tism tunnel to tell us if that is an accurate statement
42:21
and who's correct right now. OK, continue please.
42:25
I love that I have seen other Broadway shows such as and
42:33
including Wicked, Good Job, The Book of Mormon, Great show, The
42:41
Phantom of the Opera. Of course, Andrew Lloyd Webber
42:44
Classic. Cats.
42:46
OK, which was I really want to go see cats.
42:49
The Jellicle Ball. I've wanted to see it so bad.
42:53
OK, wait, I don't think you know which one I'm talking about.
42:57
I just don't like cats. I don't like it at all.
42:59
It's never been my favorite show.
43:01
This is a retelling of cats. It's like a it's a, it's a
43:07
reimagining of Cats, but within the ballroom culture, like, you
43:13
know, like voguing. Yeah, yeah.
43:15
So it's like, it's like it takes a queer because it's queer coded
43:19
anyway. Cats is very queer coded anyway.
43:22
I mean, everything Andrew Lloyd Webber is faggotry, but like
43:27
it's it's queer coded. And so it was probably good for
43:32
the time in the time, but it is not really aged in any like
43:37
interesting way whatsoever. And so this is like a
43:40
reimagining of the story. I haven't seen it.
43:43
I don't know much about it other than that.
43:45
But everyone that I know that is in like the theater world or
43:49
even people that aren't in the theater world that have gone to
43:51
see it have been like, this is incredible.
43:54
You must go see it. And I work with and I am in
43:59
community with a lot of people in the ballroom community.
44:03
And so, yeah, I'm very excited to see that one.
44:07
OK, clarifying for the listeners.
44:10
He's not talking about ballroom dancing, but in fact, ballrooms
44:13
are. Actually, you should speak to
44:15
this, not me, because it's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:19
It's not my space. You can look up if you want to
44:22
learn more about the ballroom community, which I think it
44:24
would be great to do. I mean, it is at the heart, like
44:28
the beating heart of queer culture for sure.
44:30
Like modern queer culture for sure.
44:35
Founded and birthed by black and brown queer trans and people in
44:44
New York City in the 80s, seventies.
44:48
Or 80s eighties. Yeah, I mean, like the community
44:53
existed already and but it began to be birthed and grow in the
44:59
80s. Anyway, I don't, I'm not
45:02
teaching a history lesson about ballroom culture here in this
45:05
podcast on this day. But I will say it's worth
45:09
looking into for sure. And I highly recommend going and
45:13
watching Paris's Burning if you want to know more about it, and
45:18
then going and seeing Cats, the Jellicle Ball, because I've
45:22
heard that it's amazing. And maybe I'll go see it and
45:25
come back and give like a real review one day.
45:29
I just wanted yes, and thank you for that and and for clarifying
45:33
that it's not just. You know, yeah.
45:34
Not cats. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:36
Cats in ballroom gowns doing the foxtrot.
45:39
That's not what we're talking about.
45:40
There's just there's a couple different cultures there.
45:43
Yeah, yeah. Because that is its own special
45:45
culture, OK. You know what?
45:47
Maybe it could be cute. I don't know.
45:49
But I'm not. That's not what this is.
45:50
That's not my project. OK?
45:52
Do you want to spin the wheel? You want to shift gears.
45:54
Yeah. Or spin the wheel.
45:55
Yeah, yeah. OK.
45:57
Were there other topics that you wanted to discuss?
45:59
You know what, we'll have to circle back to them if they were
46:00
because we're 45 minutes in babies.
46:02
We're moving forward in it. Into the wheel, honey.
46:05
Into the wheel. Yes, you could start the
46:09
Brandon. Make a note of that.
46:10
We could use a Jingle. Yes, this Brandon, we do need a
46:15
Jingle for that. OK, for the wheel.
46:17
Oh, this must be yours. Hate languages slash love
46:20
languages. Oh my God.
46:21
OK, great. Yeah.
46:22
So as we all know, there are hate language.
46:26
This is an interactive by the way.
46:27
And listener, feel free to make your notes and send us your
46:30
thoughts on this. But we obviously we all know
46:36
what love languages are. There are, there is.
46:40
Quality time, yes. Is quality time your number one?
46:45
Is that your? Is your?
46:46
Is that your big love language? No.
46:49
What's your big love language? Words of affirmation tell me I'm
46:51
amazing. What's?
46:52
Good, I love that quality time is probably mine and gifts I
46:55
like all love, frankly like give it all to me.
46:59
But I do like gift giving for sure.
47:02
Anyway, so there's all of the love languages.
47:04
What are the hate languages like?
47:05
How do you really express to someone, like viscerally that
47:12
you hate them? I would say condescension is a
47:20
great, that's a good hate language.
47:22
Like I'm going to condescend to you and make you feel smaller.
47:27
Attempt to make you feel smaller than you are.
47:33
Just verbal attacks. Sure looks like we're going
47:36
aggression. You went, we go passive
47:38
aggression with the condescension and then just
47:41
direct aggression. Direct aggression, OK, I mean,
47:46
would physical violence. I mean, I'm thinking these hate
47:49
languages are like, are they, are they direct abuse or are
47:52
they kind of like skirting the realm of abuse?
47:57
Are you asking me cuz it's your turn.
47:58
It's mine. It's mine.
48:00
Yeah. What do you think?
48:01
Like wait, cuz we all do it right.
48:04
Like we all communicate to people that that we don't like
48:06
them when we don't. Yeah yeah yeah.
48:07
In some way like. Let's stay out of the abusive
48:10
realm and just go with like, you know, within this, the the
48:14
sphere of socially acceptable human interactions.
48:17
Like how are you going to communicate dislike to someone
48:21
because we don't we are not for abusers.
48:24
I've seen people out totally. Yes, yeah.
48:29
I think I had somebody who wants hair flip in my face because
48:34
they were, they were like so aggressively icing me out and
48:37
they couldn't even put words to it that they just like turned
48:40
and like acknowledged that I wasn't.
48:43
I was standing there by like flipping their hair in my face
48:45
and then walking away. Yeah, like a physical gesture.
48:48
Gestures of disdain. Sure.
48:50
Yeah, I love. That that's probably my favorite
48:52
'cause I love a middle finger. A.
48:54
Middle finger, an eye roll. Sure.
48:59
I know Matthew had an interaction with someone last
49:02
week who we really don't like. They they walked up to his
49:06
cause. Matthew's a bartender.
49:07
They walked up to his well and when they were going to order a
49:11
drink and he looked at them and he went.
49:14
And just brushed them away. Waved them away, said get the
49:16
fuck out of here and it continued from there, obviously
49:19
because God bless him, he's going to let him have it.
49:21
I think it's so attractive. I find it so attractive and
49:24
that's why I think as a Gemini, hate languages are also a love
49:29
language for me. I'm like, if my partner, it can
49:34
really reign in or not reign in is meaning like take it back but
49:38
really have a hold on how they he shows his disdain for someone
49:46
and I see it and it's like handled well.
49:48
I think it's so fierce. I love it so much.
49:51
It's it's competent and confident.
49:54
Beautiful, yeah. Beautiful.
49:56
Yeah, I think that my my hate language is probably my.
50:04
When I get to that point, it's icing people out.
50:08
I shut them, they get no more. I revoke access to me because I
50:12
know this comes. It's maybe a little egocentric,
50:16
but I know that access to me is a high commodity.
50:19
So if I give a lot in life, and so if we get to the point where
50:25
I want nothing to do with you, I'm going to make sure you see
50:28
the stark difference between me having something to do with you
50:30
and me having nothing to do with you.
50:33
Yeah. Well, well, here's my promise to
50:35
you, friend. Yeah, if you, if you ever put up
50:38
a wall of ice between us, I'm a burn that shit down with fire
50:41
period. I love.
50:42
It. I will meet you with fire and
50:45
we're just we're going to take that well down because I.
50:47
Love that. I love that.
50:48
We're not doing that. I love that.
50:50
OK, yeah, yeah, some of my dearest friends, we, we've
50:54
experienced the, the ice, the wall of ice.
50:58
But you know, I'm also always willing to come back to the
51:00
table if someone is like, I can be upset and, and I feel my
51:05
feelings very fully and, and I communicate them very fully.
51:11
And then if we want to come back to the table and fix things, I
51:17
feel like that makes us stronger in the end.
51:19
I love that. I It's not about the rupture,
51:21
it's about the repair. Amen.
51:23
I think we said that last week too.
51:24
And, and I love it. I love it.
51:26
It's true. Shout out to Barbara, she was a
51:28
good therapist. Yes, Barbara.
51:30
Yeah, she was great. OK, well, that was excellent.
51:34
Let's go again. Next, next wheel spin.
51:42
This says heat domes. What the fuck?
51:45
What the fuck? What the fuck I want to know.
51:49
I just saw. I guess I'm doing a lot of
51:51
talking. Sorry, I'm not mad about it.
51:53
Let's go. I just saw a meme.
51:56
And memes, you know, are the most important piece of like,
52:01
news and information these days. Like he.
52:03
Reviewed scientific journals. We are absolutely fluffy
52:07
dinosaurs with feathers in a meme format.
52:10
Let's go. It is facts if it is on a little
52:14
infographic with a an AT at the bottom for credit of course.
52:19
Sure. Yeah.
52:20
So I saw that Seattle is going to go into I always credit
52:25
resources. Seattle's gonna have a heat Dome
52:26
summer again, which they're saying it could be up to 120°.
52:32
And I'm like, well, that's crazy.
52:33
That's. No.
52:35
I don't know that I believe that.
52:36
A little sensationalist if I do say so myself, but I don't want
52:40
that. I don't want it.
52:42
I want a nice, beautiful hot summer like we've had the last
52:45
couple years, but like, hot on some days, but mostly mild.
52:49
That's what I want. I'm not.
52:51
Here to think of dumps. I bet if we had a matriarchy we
52:54
wouldn't have heat dumps. I'm just saying.
52:56
Well, we'd have. Yeah, more water or something.
53:01
I don't fucking know. We'd have more.
53:03
I'm a man. What do I know?
53:04
You don't know, we'd have more ice caps.
53:06
We'd be doing so much better. Wow, this is yours as well.
53:09
Blocking Caleb's night. Yeah, and you know what?
53:13
This takes us back to hate languages.
53:15
I will block a bitch. I will block you.
53:19
I will block you. It's part of being iced out.
53:21
Right, listen, because if you can't see me, and that's part of
53:24
me just being like, you know what?
53:25
I don't need to see that I. Don't.
53:27
Yeah. I don't need to see it.
53:28
I don't want to see it. I don't want to see what the
53:30
fuck you have to say. It's for the best that I don't
53:33
because I'm feeling my feelings fully.
53:36
Yeah. And this is this is on growth.
53:39
Me blocking you is the best thing for me to do if I don't
53:41
like you. I mean, it sounds like a really
53:43
healthy boundary. Thank you.
53:45
Thank you. Blocking is a boundary and
53:47
that's on therapy and growth. So yeah.
53:49
Yeah, wait, your therapist told you to block or you're, Well,
53:52
you just did. So yeah, I.
53:54
Did and I'm a pre licensed professional counselor.
53:57
Let's go. Yeah, blocking is a boundary.
54:00
I'll see that for sure. For sure.
54:05
Euphoria is over, thank God. I think that says it all.
54:11
Sunday is finally. Free I, I watched it through
54:16
social media. Like I didn't sit down and watch
54:18
the episodes. I just watched like, and this is
54:21
what I do. We've talked about this before.
54:22
I do not have bandwidth to take an emotionally doing these
54:27
shows. And so like, I watched Game of
54:31
Thrones via BuzzFeed updates and then really selective YouTube
54:34
browsing. And so Euphoria has been similar
54:38
where I've watched and experienced it via the
54:40
internet's reaction to it. And I know enough to know that
54:43
my Girl Z gave an incredible performance, that Sidney Sweeney
54:48
is still really uninteresting, that a lot of things went off
54:53
the rails. And also they completely got rid
54:56
of Nate Jacobson's character arc and just turned him into
54:58
something else entirely. Yeah.
55:01
And also, anytime I saw clips and saw Sydney Sweeney on my
55:05
screen, she's just kind of a a visual assault on my senses.
55:09
I agree with that. It's a lot.
55:11
It's a lot of boob. It's a lot of eye.
55:12
It's a lot of makeup. It's a lot of blonde.
55:14
It's just too much. And for what?
55:16
Investment? Just not really interesting.
55:18
A lot of tears, A lot of whining.
55:21
Like, that's just not, I mean, whining's the worst.
55:24
It's over. Thank God we're done with that.
55:26
It is. Yeah, we're finally done.
55:27
With that, yeah, Zendaya's free to go do Christopher Nolan
55:30
projects. Yeah, OK.
55:35
I'm so sorry that we're gonna end on this one.
55:40
I'm hoping. I was hoping, yes, we got it.
55:44
We got. Our fit.
55:45
Love. OK, All right.
55:47
Settle in. So here's the thing.
55:50
I read a lot of books and a lot of smutty books and I've you
55:56
know what? I am constantly, not constantly
56:00
amazed because a lot of them are pretty formulaic.
56:02
You know? It's like, you know what's
56:04
happening? Things are happening.
56:05
It's fine, but I read a book fairly recently that brought
56:09
something to the pages that I have never experienced before
56:12
and I don't ever wanna experience again.
56:13
I just needed somebody else to feel the pain and discomfort of
56:18
this. OK, so one of the main
56:21
characters was so like into their partner that they just
56:28
wanted to like Burrow in there and get all up in their space.
56:32
And so their favorite move, which they did many times in
56:36
this book was to Burrow into their partner's armpit and like
56:41
lick it. And like, there was even a like
56:44
a segment that talked about like the hair situation that was
56:48
happening. And I was like, I mean,
56:50
sometimes I read a book and I just cringe and I hold the pages
56:53
from what makes I'm like, I don't I don't understand right
56:58
now, but. Here's what I do know.
57:00
I know that when I'm getting ready in the morning, if I get a
57:03
little bit of antiperspirant on my finger and it like touches my
57:06
mouth, it's a horrible experience.
57:08
It doesn't taste good. It's like hydrophobic.
57:11
It's like everything about it's wretched.
57:13
Now I'm not going to be licking any of that.
57:16
Also, if you ever get a hair in your mouth, it's like get it
57:19
out. So none of that feels like a
57:21
sensory experience that anybody would seek out.
57:23
So I was just really like, it didn't happen once, Caleb.
57:26
It happened like 4 times in this book.
57:28
This was this dude's move was getting up in his man's pit.
57:33
And I just, I just, I can't, I can't abide.
57:36
I can't abide. It was so bad that I needed to,
57:39
I needed to make you suffer with me.
57:41
So yes. Oh.
57:51
My gosh, we can't end on that. You.
57:53
Can't. No, we're not.
57:55
Well, No, I have to. Say I don't want it, I.
58:00
Don't want it. I don't want it.
58:02
No. So there is.
58:04
There is. AI mean this is a thing men
58:07
definitely like gay men are. There's a hole and I wouldn't
58:11
even call it a subculture. I think it's a really prevalent
58:15
thing for dudes to be into each other's like pits.
58:20
Man smell, yeah. Mask and scent or whatever.
58:24
I I am a fan of a bathed man. I like a man who who bathes and
58:30
I personally I don't general. I don't lick an armpit, but that
58:34
doesn't. Mean I've never.
58:36
I've definitely don't know Censor.
58:39
Yourself, please. I've definitely.
58:42
I mean, I've. Done a lot of things.
58:44
Cheap generic Caleb Cheap generic.
58:46
Weird. Cheap, generic I've been.
58:50
Known to explore a different, no fun thing.
58:54
You're not. You're redirect, babe.
58:58
Anyway. I do remember somewhat very
59:01
specifically one time on the apps telling me please don't put
59:08
on deodorant because they, because you're right, you, you
59:13
brought up the deodorant they didn't want that antiperspirant
59:15
in the mouth they wanted. There, I'm deluded.
59:17
Yes, they just wanted. Pit and they actually asked me
59:21
not to shower. I said that's not going to be a
59:23
thing that I do. I will be showered.
59:24
I will be showered. I will be squeaky clean because
59:27
that's me, but if you would like to go out and find a stinky man
59:32
to lick his arm, more power to you.
59:34
I'm regretting so many decisions.
59:37
In my life that have led to this moment right now, I knew.
59:42
I want you to know that I knew this moment was coming when I
59:46
saw that on the wheel categories you knew that your little like.
59:51
It's like this is. Going to be interesting and I
59:55
love this. Oh my gosh.
59:57
OK, well, I learned. Something new today.
59:59
Yeah. And man, I, you know what I will
1:00:03
say, there are not very many moments in our modern life like
1:00:08
in recent times, yeah, where I'm like super excited to be
1:00:12
straight. Are you telling me you've never
1:00:17
licked your husband's armpit? No God.
1:00:23
Bless Brandon. Brandon.
1:00:25
Stop listening. No, I just, I'm when you said
1:00:28
this is this is when you said this is normative and we are not
1:00:32
getting into any sort of details.
1:00:33
My dad listens to this podcast. Hi dad, I love you so much.
1:00:36
Shout out to Dad. You said this is pretty.
1:00:43
Normative. Oh my God, in like gay man
1:00:47
culture, which is clearly not my demographic, right.
1:00:51
Yeah. So that's all I'm.
1:00:53
Saying. Is like that would be part of
1:00:55
the into. The into piece armpits I was on
1:01:00
the apps. OK, and you would not list pits
1:01:04
on your. On your apps profile, Yeah, no I
1:01:06
would not there I would. Yeah, lots of things.
1:01:09
Love that. Great.
1:01:11
Wow. I'm so glad I brought that to
1:01:13
this. Conversation.
1:01:14
Me too, me too. How am I going to put that in
1:01:16
the? Caption in the title.
1:01:17
So we talked about dinosaurs, transcendent media and armpits.
1:01:21
Yeah, I think that's great, yeah.
1:01:24
God bless. Wow, OK, we do feel like that
1:01:29
wraps us up for the week. Caleb, what do you think?
1:01:32
Well, do we? Do we have a?
1:01:33
Listener question or no? It's a slice on the wheel.
1:01:36
But it didn't. Come up.
1:01:37
Do you want to hit a listener question anyway, or do we want
1:01:39
to save that for fate for another time?
1:01:42
What? What is our time, right?
1:01:44
Now are we out of time? We're at one or two.
1:01:47
Let's. Let it, Let's let it go.
1:01:49
We'll let it go. Listeners, send us your
1:01:52
questions at Looking into podcast@gmail.com and we'll have
1:01:58
we've got a couple, we've got a couple, we've got a couple in
1:02:00
the hopper we're ready to tackle and.
1:02:02
It could be if you've got a question, we'd love to tackle
1:02:04
your situations as well. Yeah, that's part of our I just
1:02:08
said. We'd love to tackle your
1:02:09
situations. Yeah, OK.
1:02:10
We are definitely. We're play us out, Brandon, Play
1:02:13
us out, Yeah. Oh my God.