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- 0:10Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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- 0:32Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
- 0:37Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me is co host. This week
- 0:41Speaker 2: we got a guest co host, John Lewis is here.
- 0:43Speaker 3: How's it going?
- 0:44Speaker 4: John? All right? Well up, low y'all, I'm back.
- 0:46Speaker 2: This is going to be an exciting episode. We're covering
- 0:50Speaker 2: a story that is all over the news right now,
- 0:52Speaker 2: but John is the first person to have messaged me
- 0:55Speaker 2: about it. So here we are. We're talking about the
- 0:58Speaker 2: Bowing whistleblower suicide. People can't see the air quotes I
- 1:03Speaker 2: just did, but it's this is a fishy story, and
- 1:06Speaker 2: now I feel.
- 1:07Speaker 5: Like this story is a good engage for how much
- 1:10Speaker 5: of a boot lick or you all?
- 1:11Speaker 4: If you don't find this.
- 1:12Speaker 5: One suspicious, you just trust the media and the government
- 1:15Speaker 5: way too much.
- 1:16Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. And one of the
- 1:20Speaker 2: stories that we'll link to. There's a lot of people
- 1:22Speaker 2: covering this right now, but the story we're going to
- 1:24Speaker 2: link to is from a site called prospect dot org.
- 1:28Speaker 2: Writers named Maureen Kasik ta kask.
- 1:31Speaker 3: Something like that.
- 1:32Speaker 2: And I don't mean to just single this article out,
- 1:35Speaker 2: but I do think it is a pretty good example
- 1:38Speaker 2: of how the media tends to cover stuff like this,
- 1:41Speaker 2: where all of the details really do kind of point
- 1:45Speaker 2: to this being suspicious, but people are so reluctant or
- 1:49Speaker 2: so concerned about being called a conspiracy theorist that they
- 1:54Speaker 2: just have to interject at some point and be like, well,
- 1:56Speaker 2: I personally don't think Boeing would commit this murder.
- 2:00Speaker 3: It's like, motherfucker, yeah they would. What are you talking
- 2:02Speaker 3: about it?
- 2:03Speaker 5: Also, I'm just curious if a lot of that could
- 2:05Speaker 5: have to do with being found liable stuff like that,
- 2:08Speaker 5: you know, because they are writing for a big corporation
- 2:11Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
- 2:12Speaker 4: Because you know, our legal system is a mess.
- 2:15Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I wouldn't put it above Boeing to
- 2:18Speaker 5: hit some reporter with a slap lawsuit or something like that.
- 2:21Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all. So
- 2:25Speaker 2: let's talk about this story. The guy's name was John Barnett.
- 2:28Speaker 2: He was a whistleblower at Boeing. And what I really
- 2:33Speaker 2: dislike about the article that we'll link to is, again
- 2:36Speaker 2: they point out all these things that seem to point
- 2:38Speaker 2: to murder, and then she's like, well, I don't think
- 2:42Speaker 2: Boeing would have planned this murder because there's all these
- 2:45Speaker 2: other whistle blowers in the same area, and why not
- 2:49Speaker 2: kill them also. But then later in the article they
- 2:52Speaker 2: address their own concern when they point out that unlike
- 2:57Speaker 2: most whistleblowers who you get fired and you just get
- 3:00Speaker 2: escorted out of the building without access to your files,
- 3:04Speaker 2: John Barnett left Boeing with everything. He kept meticulous records
- 3:09Speaker 2: about all of the claims he was making so he
- 3:12Speaker 2: could prove that they were true. So if you're one
- 3:15Speaker 2: of those skeptics out there who's going to push back
- 3:18Speaker 2: with okay, well there were a lot of Boeing whistleblowers
- 3:21Speaker 2: and none of them died. For one thing, that part
- 3:24Speaker 2: part where he left with documents, He didn't just see shit.
- 3:28Speaker 3: He had shit.
- 3:29Speaker 5: Yeah, this guy he knew where the bodies you he
- 3:32Speaker 5: knows where the bodies are buried. He got like the
- 3:34Speaker 5: type of stuff that you can make entire documentaries about.
- 3:38Speaker 5: Instead of just some you know, whatever level person talking
- 3:42Speaker 5: to the human resources or something. This guy was he
- 3:45Speaker 5: was kind of OCD with it, but it probably turned
- 3:47Speaker 5: not probably he turned out to be right about everything.
- 3:49Speaker 4: Also.
- 3:50Speaker 2: Yeah, and given what's going on with Boeing right now,
- 3:53Speaker 2: he's arguably the worst possible person that could come forward,
- 3:57Speaker 2: at least as far as Boeing is concern, because everything
- 4:01Speaker 2: happening with them is surrounding claims that they really cut
- 4:06Speaker 2: their quality assurance standards within their manufacturing plants, and that's
- 4:11Speaker 2: the last thing you want when you're building machines that
- 4:14Speaker 2: keep hundreds of people afloat in the sky. And this guy,
- 4:18Speaker 2: John Barnett, was the head of the department that oversaw
- 4:25Speaker 2: the workers who built the planes, so he was at
- 4:29Speaker 2: the very top of the quality assurance chain. And if
- 4:34Speaker 2: anyone is going to know about what Boeing was getting
- 4:37Speaker 2: up to, it would be him. So I don't care
- 4:40Speaker 2: if there's a lot of other whistleblowers. This guy is
- 4:42Speaker 2: the perfect target for a murder in a situation like this.
- 4:47Speaker 5: Yeah, And with him being in that and the Notesing
- 4:51Speaker 5: sent over, Boeing was like, yeah, well, we don't really
- 4:53Speaker 5: think the quality insurance department is that important. That's like
- 4:57Speaker 5: the police department saying, well, you know, we think we
- 5:00Speaker 5: can cut down on internal affairs. Yeah, for one, I
- 5:04Speaker 5: don't know if it's if this exists in other countries,
- 5:06Speaker 5: but it's really things like jobs like this shouldn't be
- 5:08Speaker 5: third party. The company shouldn't even be able to be
- 5:12Speaker 5: in control of their own quality assurance, because then they
- 5:16Speaker 5: can just be like, nah, we'll just look aside.
- 5:18Speaker 2: And in this case, you can't even really trust the
- 5:22Speaker 2: government to be the ones who step in and make
- 5:26Speaker 2: Boeing take responsibility for what they've done, because one of
- 5:31Speaker 2: the other aspects of this Boeing scandal is that the government,
- 5:36Speaker 2: especially the Department of Justice, has clearly been doing their
- 5:41Speaker 2: best to keep Boeing from being prosecuted or facing any consequences.
- 5:47Speaker 2: And it's because Boeing isn't just a private company, it's
- 5:50Speaker 2: also a huge government contractor. They make a lot of
- 5:53Speaker 2: our weapons that we use to go to war, they
- 5:56Speaker 2: make our jets that we use to go to war.
- 6:00Speaker 2: The government has been super lenient toward them. So, yeah,
- 6:04Speaker 2: you're right, it's got to be some kind of independent
- 6:06Speaker 2: third party. It can't just be oh, well, the government
- 6:10Speaker 2: will step in and help us in this situation.
- 6:12Speaker 3: No they won't. No, they won't, youhead.
- 6:15Speaker 5: And also at that point, ideally it could be the government.
- 6:18Speaker 5: But when people have been saying this for years, but
- 6:20Speaker 5: corporations are the ones that run America. So at that point,
- 6:23Speaker 5: who do you even whistle blow to?
- 6:25Speaker 4: What?
- 6:25Speaker 5: You got to go to? The United Nations? I guess like, yeah,
- 6:28Speaker 5: what who could he even talk to? Because it's a
- 6:31Speaker 5: saying that the corporations literally do run America. We see
- 6:35Speaker 5: the news story every other week.
- 6:37Speaker 4: I think it was.
- 6:37Speaker 5: About this some person on the Supreme Quarters, some high
- 6:41Speaker 5: ranked political person. They sold all of their stock like
- 6:44Speaker 5: a month before all of this shit came out. It
- 6:46Speaker 5: was only fifty thousand dollars, but still.
- 6:48Speaker 2: Still yeah, yeah, that's shady, that's really shady. This I
- 6:52Speaker 2: put this in the notes and people are going to
- 6:55Speaker 2: have to bear with me while I explain this is
- 6:57Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein in the sky boeing. It's not the same
- 7:01Speaker 2: kind of crimes, obviously, but you see the same thing
- 7:05Speaker 2: here that you saw with Jeffrey Epstein. Where or the
- 7:08Speaker 2: longest time, the government either just ignored what was happening
- 7:13Speaker 2: or actively tried to avoid prosecution over what was happening,
- 7:18Speaker 2: And eventually they hit a point where all right, the
- 7:21Speaker 2: news around this is too intense. We're going to have
- 7:24Speaker 2: to take some kind of action, and with Jeffrey Epstein
- 7:27Speaker 2: that meant he got this insane plea deal where he
- 7:31Speaker 2: just had to I think, plead guilty till a misdemeanor
- 7:35Speaker 2: and he got house arrest. Even then he didn't stay
- 7:38Speaker 2: at his house. And eventually his victims found out about that,
- 7:42Speaker 2: and they sued the government because they were supposed to
- 7:45Speaker 2: be informed if the government reaches a plea deal, and
- 7:48Speaker 2: not only did the government not inform them, they reached
- 7:51Speaker 2: this plea deal that basically let him walk.
- 7:54Speaker 3: Same thing happened here.
- 7:55Speaker 2: A Boeing seven thirty seven crashed five years ago, killed
- 7:59Speaker 2: everyone on board. There was a lot of talk about
- 8:02Speaker 2: the cause of that crash being Boeing's shitty quality standards,
- 8:07Speaker 2: and there was a lawsuit filed, and eventually the government
- 8:11Speaker 2: let Boeing off with what is called a deferred prosecution agreement.
- 8:17Speaker 3: And all that means.
- 8:18Speaker 2: Is for the next three years after they hit Boeing
- 8:22Speaker 2: with that, Boeing was required to comply with any government investigations.
- 8:27Speaker 2: That's all the repercussions Boeing got over this seven thirty
- 8:30Speaker 2: seven crash that killed hundreds of people, and same thing
- 8:35Speaker 2: the victims' families found out, and they sued the DOJ
- 8:38Speaker 2: for access to the files that would explain this decision
- 8:42Speaker 2: to close the Boeing case, and they so far are
- 8:46Speaker 2: not winning. The government has done their best to keep
- 8:50Speaker 2: that information from coming out. And another thing I hate
- 8:54Speaker 2: about this Prospect dot org article.
- 8:56Speaker 3: Which it is very informative.
- 8:58Speaker 2: It tells you everything you need to know about the
- 9:00Speaker 2: John Barnett case, but they also mention that they themselves
- 9:04Speaker 2: just did an article about all of the and this
- 9:07Speaker 2: is a quote incestuous links between the lawyers responsible for
- 9:12Speaker 2: that Epstein settlement and the lawyers involved in this Boeing settlement.
- 9:17Speaker 2: And then they follow that up by calling anyone who
- 9:20Speaker 2: might find that weird conspiracy theorists, who the fuck wouldn't
- 9:24Speaker 2: find that weird?
- 9:25Speaker 5: Right, It's weirder for them to put that in there
- 9:28Speaker 5: than to just say, I don't know, yeah, what other
- 9:31Speaker 5: conclusion y'all expect people to come to, Yeah, it's not
- 9:34Speaker 5: like this one isn't even that big of elite. Literally,
- 9:36Speaker 5: everybody reading it's like, so, yeah, they definitely killed that guy, right.
- 9:40Speaker 2: Right, And so yeah, those are obviously the lawyers the
- 9:43Speaker 2: government sends when they're trying to protect assets. Obviously, it
- 9:47Speaker 2: doesn't even seem like a conspiracy theory. And that brings
- 9:49Speaker 2: us to the next part of the John Barnett story.
- 9:52Speaker 2: That makes him so different, and that makes it so
- 9:55Speaker 2: likely that he could have been murdered after that door
- 9:59Speaker 2: blew off that seven p thirty seven earlier this year,
- 10:03Speaker 2: things got really hot for the Department of Justice because
- 10:06Speaker 2: people after they had really just let Boeing slide over
- 10:11Speaker 2: this seven thirty seven crash five years ago, that got
- 10:15Speaker 2: brought back into the spotlight after that door incident. So
- 10:19Speaker 2: then the Department of Justice probably very begrudgingly opened an
- 10:23Speaker 2: investigation into Boeing's culpability for that door mishap. So everything
- 10:29Speaker 2: John Barnett was talking about in this deposition was being
- 10:33Speaker 2: revealed in a much different climate than other whistleblowers were
- 10:38Speaker 2: working in. Now Boeing really is facing government repercussions, and
- 10:43Speaker 2: it makes it kind of the perfect situation where a
- 10:46Speaker 2: guy like this would be killed. He has the receipts
- 10:49Speaker 2: to prove his claims, and boops, he shoots himself in
- 10:54Speaker 2: the head a day before he was going to get vindication.
- 10:58Speaker 2: He had one more day of giving depositions and then
- 11:03Speaker 2: the trial was set to start in June. He had
- 11:06Speaker 2: reached the fucking finish line, and now he kills himself.
- 11:10Speaker 5: Right, and some other smaller details on those notes you
- 11:13Speaker 5: sent over. Also, what Bowie had been doing to save
- 11:16Speaker 5: money is they moved one of their plants to it's
- 11:18Speaker 5: South Carolina, right, yeah, yeah, South.
- 11:21Speaker 4: Yeah, a non union.
- 11:22Speaker 5: Factory because before they had union machinists, and people that
- 11:27Speaker 5: have worked in union versus non union places may not
- 11:30Speaker 5: really I mean that haven't worked may not know the
- 11:32Speaker 5: difference in the union plan. I worked in a union plant,
- 11:35Speaker 5: you have things set up x amount. They can't they
- 11:38Speaker 5: have to give you break. It's more enforced. Y'all can't
- 11:41Speaker 5: push us over this number. So in that non union factory,
- 11:44Speaker 5: they probably were just working to people like crazy. They
- 11:47Speaker 5: may not have had this people who have to check
- 11:50Speaker 5: the quality and stuff, because at that point they're more
- 11:52Speaker 5: focused on you know, profit as far instead of quality.
- 11:56Speaker 5: And Bowen is probably like pretty much every other company,
- 12:00Speaker 5: and it's America. It's probably owned by black Rock or
- 12:02Speaker 5: some other venture capital you know, some fun or something
- 12:06Speaker 5: like that, where the whole thing.
- 12:07Speaker 4: Is profit instead of safety.
- 12:09Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, they were overworked and it's one of
- 12:12Speaker 2: the things John Barnett has or John Barnett said in
- 12:16Speaker 2: his filings about Boeing, because his job was to oversee
- 12:21Speaker 2: a team of quality assurance inspectors who then oversaw the
- 12:27Speaker 2: mechanics who were building the planes basically, and when he
- 12:30Speaker 2: was working in I believe it was Washington where they
- 12:34Speaker 2: were before these people he oversaw, they were responsible for
- 12:39Speaker 2: overseeing a group of about ten to twelve workers each.
- 12:42Speaker 2: Once they moved to South Carolina that went to about
- 12:46Speaker 2: fifty to fifty five mechanics each. Which mistakes are going
- 12:51Speaker 2: to happen when you put that kind of extra workload
- 12:54Speaker 2: on people, but don't expand the number of people doing it.
- 12:58Speaker 3: That's a common sense yeah.
- 13:00Speaker 5: And also things like that is why union jobs in
- 13:03Speaker 5: America are so expensive, because even if you make a mistake,
- 13:06Speaker 5: as a non union worker, you may be afraid to
- 13:09Speaker 5: even say something. But as opposed to a UAW job,
- 13:12Speaker 5: you know you have an incentive to say, hey, we
- 13:15Speaker 5: need to stop the line, and we did this or that,
- 13:17Speaker 5: and you know you know your job is at least
- 13:19Speaker 5: protected to an extent. It's the reason why Teslas has
- 13:22Speaker 5: such bad quality compared to all of these other brands.
- 13:26Speaker 5: Teslas aren't union or they don't have any union factories there.
- 13:29Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure they're the only American car company that's
- 13:32Speaker 5: not UAW, unless it's some of these other small ones.
- 13:36Speaker 5: But yeah, the UAW it's a reason. You know, of
- 13:38Speaker 5: course everybody has recalls, but it's a reason fording them
- 13:42Speaker 5: has been in business for hundreds of years.
- 13:44Speaker 2: That protection, Yeah, it's a thing we used to have
- 13:47Speaker 2: with a lot of jobs in this country. It really
- 13:51Speaker 2: was Reagan breaking that air traffic controllers strike in the eighties.
- 13:55Speaker 2: Once he did that, that just really got the ball
- 13:58Speaker 2: rolling on gutting unions.
- 14:01Speaker 3: Oh yeah, in this country.
- 14:03Speaker 2: What's interesting is this Boeing scandal also kind of reminds
- 14:06Speaker 2: me of the Albuquerque PD. The Albuquerque PD, for the
- 14:11Speaker 2: longest time was one of the most violent police forces
- 14:14Speaker 2: in America. Per capita, they killed more people than the NYPD,
- 14:19Speaker 2: Chicago PD, LAPD.
- 14:21Speaker 3: I think, which is shocking.
- 14:23Speaker 2: And it all came down to the fact that at
- 14:27Speaker 2: one point they got all this extra budget money to
- 14:30Speaker 2: hire cops, and no one wanted to be a cop
- 14:33Speaker 2: in Albuquerque because Albuquerque is a lawless nightmare, and so
- 14:38Speaker 2: what they started doing was cutting their standards in terms
- 14:42Speaker 2: of hiring, and they put this rule in place where
- 14:44Speaker 2: if you left your last cop job in good standing,
- 14:48Speaker 2: then they wouldn't do a background check. If you applied
- 14:51Speaker 2: at the Albuquerque PD, they would just hire you. And
- 14:53Speaker 2: what they ended up getting were a lot of cops
- 14:55Speaker 2: who were dirty cops who were just like allowed to
- 15:00Speaker 2: leave their departments instead of being fired. So there was
- 15:03Speaker 2: nothing on their record that showed they had been disciplined
- 15:07Speaker 2: in any way, so Albuquerque didn't check and they got
- 15:11Speaker 2: this one class of recruits that were just unhinged, fucking lunatics.
- 15:19Speaker 2: And with this story at Boeing, it's not quite that.
- 15:24Speaker 2: But when they moved to South Carolina to get around
- 15:27Speaker 2: the machinists union, the thing about where they were before,
- 15:31Speaker 2: machinists would move there so they could work for Boeing
- 15:35Speaker 2: because there was a union and it was a good job.
- 15:38Speaker 2: Where they moved to in South Carolina, there weren't machinists,
- 15:41Speaker 2: so they were hiring, according to John Barnett's words, people
- 15:45Speaker 2: who were flipping burgers the week before. And it was
- 15:49Speaker 2: his job to train these people to not only build planes,
- 15:53Speaker 2: but also inspect the people building planes.
- 15:56Speaker 4: Nuts.
- 15:57Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're not about to relocate as a machinist
- 16:00Speaker 5: of some other state with a non union job. You
- 16:02Speaker 5: can just if I'm a relocate, I'm gonna relocate with someone,
- 16:06Speaker 5: you know, with a company that has the best benefits.
- 16:08Speaker 4: And also the backtrack a little bit that a me Q.
- 16:12Speaker 5: The Albuquerque police, they got a whole nother scandal that's
- 16:15Speaker 5: actually still folding, still coming out because I just dropped, Yeah,
- 16:20Speaker 5: I guess I'll early plugged myself, and I just dropped
- 16:22Speaker 5: a new video about why police corruption that never changed.
- 16:25Speaker 5: And I was trying to look up that story because
- 16:27Speaker 5: I remember you talking about it years ago, and Google
- 16:30Speaker 5: was like, well, how about this, We got.
- 16:32Speaker 4: A brand new story for you.
- 16:33Speaker 5: Like four four or five police and the lawyer just
- 16:37Speaker 5: got their homes rated by the FBI because they had
- 16:41Speaker 5: some dy scandal going on, and it was so weird.
- 16:44Speaker 5: I had to read like three articles to find out
- 16:47Speaker 5: because it's still detailed. So essentially what was happening is
- 16:50Speaker 5: they would pull people over for d ys and then
- 16:53Speaker 5: they had some deal with a judge where when it
- 16:55Speaker 5: was time to go to court, they would just not
- 16:57Speaker 5: show up. And I guess they were the judge was
- 17:00Speaker 5: paying them, but also because it is they just drew
- 17:02Speaker 5: out one hundred and fifty people duy cases. Because they
- 17:06Speaker 5: wouldn't say it in the article, but it sounds like
- 17:08Speaker 5: the police were like, hey, either you can pay me now,
- 17:11Speaker 5: or I'm charge you for dy or something. I couldn't
- 17:14Speaker 5: get all of the details because it's literally the raid
- 17:17Speaker 5: literally happened a week or two as I was writing
- 17:19Speaker 5: an article.
- 17:20Speaker 4: But yeah, so Albuquerque police they liked that.
- 17:23Speaker 5: They liked one of those things that you don't expect
- 17:25Speaker 5: to win the March madness, but you know they gonna
- 17:28Speaker 5: come out of nowhere. If we're doing the top four
- 17:30Speaker 5: worst police departments, they got a good chance of winning it.
- 17:33Speaker 2: Yeah, Albuquerque would be way up there. It's crazy. And
- 17:37Speaker 2: so yeah, back to Boeing. This John Barnett guy, he
- 17:41Speaker 2: voiced all of these complaints and concerns and was just ignored.
- 17:46Speaker 2: And then that seven thirty seven crashed five years ago
- 17:49Speaker 2: and lots of people died, and now John Barnett is
- 17:52Speaker 2: dead too. And man, if you don't think that is suspicious,
- 17:57Speaker 2: you are the government. This is so so suspicious. And
- 18:02Speaker 2: if you will link to articles about this, if you
- 18:06Speaker 2: read deeper into it, there are people who knew John Barnett,
- 18:10Speaker 2: his lawyers talk in these articles and they're all like, man,
- 18:15Speaker 2: he was right at the finish line. He was about
- 18:19Speaker 2: to get vindication for everything he'd been saying all these years.
- 18:23Speaker 2: It makes no sense that he would commit suicide. He
- 18:28Speaker 2: was doing this deposition he had. Apparently the first day
- 18:32Speaker 2: it went really well. Second day it didn't go that great.
- 18:35Speaker 2: They took a break, or they broke for the day.
- 18:37Speaker 2: At six pm, they were going to come back the
- 18:39Speaker 2: next morning. John Barnett left, went to a Taco Bell
- 18:42Speaker 2: drive through, as one does if you're about to commit suicide,
- 18:46Speaker 2: then went to his hotel. His lawyers are trying to call.
- 18:50Speaker 2: They can't reach him, and they asked someone at the
- 18:52Speaker 2: hotel to go check, and that's when they find him dead.
- 18:56Speaker 2: So soon after he bought Taco Bell that there was
- 18:58Speaker 2: still condensation on his cup.
- 19:01Speaker 3: And here's how did they say, you committed suicide again,
- 19:04Speaker 3: shot himself in the head.
- 19:05Speaker 5: So nobody put from the nobody in the hotel heard
- 19:09Speaker 5: a loud ass gunshot to call the police while they
- 19:11Speaker 5: were looking for this man.
- 19:12Speaker 3: What they claim is that it was raining and so.
- 19:15Speaker 4: They the hell out. Yeah, yeah, we've heard.
- 19:20Speaker 5: It couldn't have been raining that hard to muffle a
- 19:23Speaker 5: gunshot in the hotel room.
- 19:26Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I think he was actually in his truck,
- 19:29Speaker 2: which would have made it even easier to hear.
- 19:32Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah.
- 19:34Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this guy was murdered, doesn't I mean.
- 19:37Speaker 4: It's yeah, murdered.
- 19:39Speaker 5: One of those cases where forced suicide, they like either
- 19:43Speaker 5: you do this or it's gonna be your family or
- 19:45Speaker 5: something like that, you know, which is basically suicide. What
- 19:48Speaker 5: second degree suicide, I don't know what you would call that,
- 19:50Speaker 5: but yeah.
- 19:50Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it This is a thing I always
- 19:54Speaker 2: think of this kind of stuff when people.
- 19:55Speaker 3: Are like, oh, Russia murders journalists.
- 19:59Speaker 2: I don't know how many people saw the title of
- 20:01Speaker 2: this episode, but it's the five most suspicious whistleblower deaths
- 20:06Speaker 2: since twenty twenty. This is all just within the past
- 20:09Speaker 2: four years that all of these people who have come
- 20:12Speaker 2: forward and said that something was going on, no matter
- 20:18Speaker 2: what they were reporting on, all these people turn up
- 20:21Speaker 2: dead from suicide.
- 20:23Speaker 5: And also he had Russia murders journalists, but so does
- 20:26Speaker 5: American also civil rights actors.
- 20:28Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, absolutely, And even with the Russia thing,
- 20:33Speaker 2: we immediately especially in the media we always jump right
- 20:37Speaker 2: to well poutin murders journalists, And I don't know that
- 20:42Speaker 2: the government would have killed John Barnett, but I could
- 20:46Speaker 2: see rich people with a vested interest in Boeing having
- 20:49Speaker 2: John Barnett killed, and the same thing in Russia. Sometimes
- 20:52Speaker 2: it might be putin, but sometimes it's just fucking oligarchs
- 20:56Speaker 2: that some investigative reporter got on the wrong side of
- 20:59Speaker 2: the haven't killed.
- 21:01Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we know, like I said, in America,
- 21:04Speaker 5: the corporations running we got, we have countless examples of
- 21:08Speaker 5: corrupt police, you stuff like this.
- 21:10Speaker 4: You know, it's not like it's not.
- 21:13Speaker 5: Exactly a time clancy book use something like that when
- 21:15Speaker 5: of these things happen.
- 21:16Speaker 4: It's been happening forever.
- 21:18Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm probably if we're doing the rankings, I probably
- 21:21Speaker 5: only only person I could see that that's believes more
- 21:24Speaker 5: real I would say, I believe it probably the most
- 21:26Speaker 5: more the most realistic conspiracies. After you, I was going
- 21:29Speaker 5: to say, what's the name? But also the whole John
- 21:32Speaker 5: Lennon thing is ridiculous, So which part of it he's
- 21:34Speaker 5: a clone? I don't believe it's single?
- 21:36Speaker 4: Is that?
- 21:38Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 21:38Speaker 4: I can get them mixed up, ye, whose conspiracy is that.
- 21:41Speaker 2: I mean, that's a conspiracy. It's been around since the sixties.
- 21:44Speaker 2: It's Kim Krawl, that super duper.
- 21:46Speaker 5: Yeah, Kim k I was gonna say she might be
- 21:48Speaker 5: the only person I think that believes more conspiracies, but
- 21:50Speaker 5: I think I believe the most realistic one because that's
- 21:53Speaker 5: that's still one of the funniest episode has ever heard
- 21:55Speaker 5: in this network.
- 21:58Speaker 4: The whole talking point is who makes up rules? What?
- 22:06Speaker 4: And especially bored people in college?
- 22:09Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, this next one, Valentine Brookschmiet This one,
- 22:15Speaker 2: I feel like I had probably heard of it and
- 22:17Speaker 2: just forgot. But back when Trump was in office, one
- 22:21Speaker 2: of the myriad investigations into his behavior included one that
- 22:26Speaker 2: involved his relationship with Deutsche Bank, which is a German bank.
- 22:31Speaker 2: They were his lender of choice for years and years
- 22:33Speaker 2: and years, and as various investigations into them revealed, they
- 22:39Speaker 2: were also essentially a criminal organization for years and years
- 22:43Speaker 2: and years. Probably still are sure they just paid a
- 22:46Speaker 2: fine and got to keep doing it.
- 22:48Speaker 3: But among the.
- 22:49Speaker 2: Misdeeds, they were accused of manipulating markets, evading taxes, bribing
- 22:54Speaker 2: foreign officials, violating international sanctions, defrauding customers, and laundring money
- 23:01Speaker 2: for Russian billionaires.
- 23:03Speaker 4: So otherwise known as a regular bank.
- 23:05Speaker 2: Yeah, so just a straight up bank. Makes sense why
- 23:09Speaker 2: Trump made them his bank of choice. Criminals are probably
- 23:13Speaker 2: by that point the only ones who would loan money
- 23:15Speaker 2: to Trump. I know a lot of banks in the
- 23:17Speaker 2: US way before he became president had stopped giving Trump
- 23:21Speaker 2: money because he doesn't pay it back.
- 23:23Speaker 5: Yeah, he because Trump by this time he was basically
- 23:26Speaker 5: a washup NBA player. He's good enough to go play
- 23:29Speaker 5: in Europe or Greece or something, just not the NBA.
- 23:32Speaker 5: And that's basically what his bank was. You can make
- 23:34Speaker 5: good money, but you're not NBA quality. So he has
- 23:37Speaker 5: had to go find because what they listed things they
- 23:40Speaker 5: did is chase pretty much every other bank in America
- 23:44Speaker 5: I'm sure is doing it right. They just were like, yeah,
- 23:46Speaker 5: we're not going with Trump.
- 23:48Speaker 2: And as things were unraveling around Deutsche Bank, a senior
- 23:52Speaker 2: executive there, Bill Brookes Schmidt, committed suicide by hanging, and shockingly,
- 23:57Speaker 2: that is not what we are here to talk about.
- 24:00Speaker 3: Out although there was a highly.
- 24:01Speaker 2: Suspicious string of deaths among people involved in that investigation,
- 24:05Speaker 2: but after his death, a treasure trove of internal Deutsche
- 24:11Speaker 2: Bank documents fell into the hands of his son, Valentine
- 24:15Speaker 2: broke Schmidt, and this included files involving Deutsche Bank's relationship
- 24:19Speaker 2: with Trump. And I think Valentine's failing here was it
- 24:25Speaker 2: seemed like he didn't just want to be a whistle blower.
- 24:28Speaker 2: He wanted to be a celebrity about it.
- 24:31Speaker 4: Exactly.
- 24:32Speaker 5: I put in my notes It's like he was planning
- 24:35Speaker 5: his Disney trip before the super Bowl even started.
- 24:41Speaker 4: Like, dude, you're doing victory less. Why don't you put
- 24:43Speaker 4: it out?
- 24:44Speaker 5: Who the hell does an interview before you whistle blow?
- 24:47Speaker 5: I got to be the next American whistle blower. I
- 24:50Speaker 5: got to make movies and documentaries about me.
- 24:53Speaker 2: Dude, that's a quote he said that I want to
- 24:57Speaker 2: know the next great American whistle blower.
- 25:00Speaker 3: That's not a thing.
- 25:01Speaker 4: Dude, who was the first American whistle blower? I can't
- 25:06Speaker 4: think of nobody.
- 25:07Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, a guy that told about the cee
- 25:10Speaker 5: I smuggling coke was due.
- 25:12Speaker 2: Yeah, Gary Webb, Daniel Elsberg, the guy who published the
- 25:15Speaker 2: Pentagon papers.
- 25:16Speaker 3: Maybe.
- 25:17Speaker 4: And they're not exactly famous.
- 25:19Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't have shoe contracts and shit, they're just a.
- 25:25Speaker 4: Right Honestly, this guy was asking for it the most.
- 25:28Speaker 3: It really was.
- 25:30Speaker 5: When you whistle blowed, it's supposed to come out, and
- 25:32Speaker 5: then we find out about you. We are supposed to
- 25:34Speaker 5: know about you, counting down like this shit is an
- 25:37Speaker 5: album drop all at twelve oh one, man, I'm standing
- 25:40Speaker 5: up tonight for that new whistleblower album.
- 25:42Speaker 2: And he really did. He there's in twenty nineteen, there
- 25:45Speaker 2: was this huge story about him in the New York Times,
- 25:50Speaker 2: and it's like, dude, look into the New York Times
- 25:52Speaker 2: relationship with the government. You're sort of talking to the
- 25:56Speaker 2: government already when you're talking to the New York Times.
- 26:00Speaker 2: And he's doing all this while Trump is in office,
- 26:04Speaker 2: so Trump is the government at the point he does
- 26:07Speaker 2: this New York Times article and he yeah, he talks
- 26:11Speaker 2: about how when his dad died, he got all of
- 26:14Speaker 2: these files and everyone knew he had these files. Adam
- 26:17Speaker 2: Schiff reached out to him. At one point, the FBI
- 26:21Speaker 2: reached out to him, and in this interview he talks
- 26:23Speaker 2: about the FBI wanting him to be a whistleblower and
- 26:27Speaker 2: how excited he is to do it, and then he
- 26:30Speaker 2: goes missing or a.
- 26:32Speaker 4: Year, yeah, almost a year to the date exactly.
- 26:35Speaker 2: Yeah, he what, There was a couple of years I
- 26:39Speaker 2: think in between that profile and when he goes missing,
- 26:42Speaker 2: because the profile I think came out in twenty nineteen
- 26:44Speaker 2: and he went missing in twenty twenty one. But he's
- 26:47Speaker 2: he just goes missing, and I don't know what ever
- 26:49Speaker 2: came of his Deutsche Bank information. Seems like not much,
- 26:54Speaker 2: if anything at all. But he goes missing in twenty
- 26:58Speaker 2: twenty one in LA and then turns up, like you said,
- 27:01Speaker 2: almost a year to the day later, dead on the
- 27:05Speaker 2: campus of a California high school called Woodrow Wilson High
- 27:11Speaker 2: School in l The way they wrote it, it's El Sereno.
- 27:14Speaker 2: I don't know if it's actually El Sereno, but California,
- 27:17Speaker 2: and that was reported in late April of twenty twenty two.
- 27:21Speaker 2: And I could not find shit else about this story
- 27:25Speaker 2: after that, which I find that suspicious given his manner
- 27:29Speaker 2: of death. The only other thing I found is the
- 27:32Speaker 2: writer who did that original New York Times article eventually
- 27:37Speaker 2: tweeted out the medical examiner's report that said this guy
- 27:41Speaker 2: died of blunt force trauma to the abdomen, but that
- 27:45Speaker 2: there was nothing suspicious about his death.
- 27:48Speaker 4: How does that even happen?
- 27:50Speaker 2: And I saw a thing that said he spent the
- 27:52Speaker 2: weekend alone at that high school before he died. It's
- 27:55Speaker 2: like what And the thing about him going missing, people
- 27:58Speaker 2: were still in contact with him. His lawyer had talked
- 28:01Speaker 2: to him in January of that year, his family had
- 28:04Speaker 2: talked to him, but just no one knew where he
- 28:06Speaker 2: was apparently. And then he turns up dead at a
- 28:09Speaker 2: high school in California, and that is the end of
- 28:13Speaker 2: the story as far as I can tell.
- 28:15Speaker 5: And what sucks the most about him is he kind
- 28:17Speaker 5: of died for no reason because I think he greatly
- 28:20Speaker 5: underestimated how strong the political coute of Trump is. Because
- 28:24Speaker 5: even if all this stuff came out, he was already president.
- 28:27Speaker 5: It's not like the people were going to be like,
- 28:28Speaker 5: oh man, he was working with the Russians. I guess
- 28:31Speaker 5: I'm not going to vote for him. It's been proven.
- 28:33Speaker 5: New information doesn't change it needs people's mind.
- 28:36Speaker 2: Yeah, we knew by that point that it was going
- 28:39Speaker 2: to take more than just a regular ass scandal to
- 28:42Speaker 2: take Trump down.
- 28:43Speaker 3: And this was kind of just a regular ass Yes, Dandal.
- 28:48Speaker 5: This might have just been like a petty murder, just
- 28:49Speaker 5: because if it was a suicide.
- 28:51Speaker 4: It's like it really wasn't going to change anything anyway.
- 28:55Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are people interviewed in the article will
- 29:00Speaker 2: link to who are really bothered by the insinuation that
- 29:05Speaker 2: he might have been murdered. And one thing I noted
- 29:09Speaker 2: about that is it wasn't family or friends, it was
- 29:12Speaker 2: reporters he had talked to in the course of all this,
- 29:16Speaker 2: And that doesn't do anything to make me feel better
- 29:20Speaker 2: about what happened to him. We've done episodes before about
- 29:25Speaker 2: CIA influence on the media. We know that the government can,
- 29:32Speaker 2: when needed, pull the right strings to get the media
- 29:35Speaker 2: to say what they want them to say. I feel
- 29:37Speaker 2: like most governments are able to do that, ours especially,
- 29:42Speaker 2: And yeah, some reporter he gave his information to being like,
- 29:46Speaker 2: oh am I part of the conspiracy now too, I
- 29:49Speaker 2: don't know, man, maybe.
- 29:51Speaker 3: Maybe?
- 29:52Speaker 5: But also who the hill dies of blunt force to
- 29:55Speaker 5: the abdomen at a high school?
- 29:57Speaker 3: Yeah? What the fuck happened?
- 30:00Speaker 2: And just tell us what happened. I could not find
- 30:05Speaker 2: a single other article that was like, hey, follow up,
- 30:07Speaker 2: here's how this guy.
- 30:08Speaker 5: Died practicing a badass kick flipping fell on the rail.
- 30:12Speaker 4: How was he at a high school?
- 30:15Speaker 2: And presumably outside. He was found outdoors, so he wasn't
- 30:19Speaker 2: even in the high school. He's just fucking around on
- 30:21Speaker 2: the campus.
- 30:22Speaker 3: I don't get it.
- 30:23Speaker 2: It's weird, and I truly could not find a ton
- 30:27Speaker 2: of follow up that said. Let me tell you, Finding
- 30:30Speaker 2: four other suspicious whistleblower deaths on the internet right after
- 30:35Speaker 2: a suspicious whistleblower death has happened is such a fucking challenge.
- 30:40Speaker 2: Every result was just about John Barnett, and I would
- 30:43Speaker 2: scroll and scroll and scroll, and then it'd be like
- 30:46Speaker 2: Sacramento prison. Oh okay, that's a new one.
- 30:49Speaker 4: But man, you got to learn to use ready, that's why.
- 30:52Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose, but I feel like if I use Reddit,
- 30:56Speaker 2: I'm going to get people's opinions too.
- 30:58Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's probably. It might just be a good
- 31:00Speaker 4: way to source it.
- 31:01Speaker 5: And then you go search him, go to Maxon, just
- 31:03Speaker 5: go to the conspiracy I'm pretty sure it's a conspiracy
- 31:05Speaker 5: celebrated and type whistleblower.
- 31:07Speaker 4: See what comes up.
- 31:09Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I do that on Wikipedia sometimes when I
- 31:12Speaker 2: need topics for this show, I'll just search conspiracy and
- 31:16Speaker 2: see what it fucking tells me. So, Philip Haney, let's
- 31:20Speaker 2: let's hear it from the right wingers listening to this.
- 31:22Speaker 2: This is your moment. We're going to talk about one
- 31:25Speaker 2: of your suspicious suicides. The death of Philip Hainey.
- 31:29Speaker 3: This is a weird one.
- 31:30Speaker 2: He was a former Department of Homeland Security official turned
- 31:34Speaker 2: whistleblower who wrote a whole entire book about how the
- 31:40Speaker 2: Obama administration failed to protect America from terrorist threats, but
- 31:45Speaker 2: also allowed those threats to infiltrate the highest levels of government.
- 31:50Speaker 2: His book was called See Something, Say Nothing. He was
- 31:54Speaker 2: found dead from a single gunshot wound to the head
- 31:58Speaker 2: next to his car in a parking lot a few
- 32:01Speaker 2: miles from his home on February twenty first, twenty twenty.
- 32:05Speaker 2: The fact that he wrote this book makes me think
- 32:07Speaker 2: he was not murdered by the government.
- 32:08Speaker 5: Also, my question is, okay, so did we even have
- 32:12Speaker 5: any terrorst attacks?
- 32:13Speaker 4: What do you mean they failed to prevent him? It
- 32:15Speaker 4: sound like they did a jug.
- 32:16Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always the hallmark of a really shady conspiracy.
- 32:21Speaker 2: Theory is, well, what to what end did the Obama
- 32:25Speaker 2: administration do this? Because you're right, there weren't any terrorist
- 32:28Speaker 2: attacks within our borders during the Obama administration, and it
- 32:35Speaker 2: seems like his complaints actually start with the Bush administration,
- 32:39Speaker 2: and even to the point that he says, I read
- 32:43Speaker 2: a quote from just to write up about his book,
- 32:47Speaker 2: and he says, by the time Obama got to office,
- 32:51Speaker 2: the Muslim Brotherhood was already infiltrating the government. And it's like, well,
- 32:57Speaker 2: that implies that it was George Bush's fault and Obama
- 33:01Speaker 2: just kind of inherited it, like so many other things
- 33:04Speaker 2: right wingers blamed on Obama.
- 33:06Speaker 5: Yeah, and also infiltrating to do what what is that?
- 33:09Speaker 5: What was supposed to be stopped? Because if its argument
- 33:14Speaker 5: was domestic terrors have infiltrated the government, I'll believe that
- 33:19Speaker 5: because I was just reading a book not that long
- 33:21Speaker 5: ago that they tried to warn the FBI. They were like, hey,
- 33:24Speaker 5: just so you know, if white supremacists are infiltrating police
- 33:27Speaker 5: departments all across America, and they.
- 33:29Speaker 4: Were like, nah, that's not possible. We test that out.
- 33:32Speaker 5: And I mean, it's they really don't need to infiltrate
- 33:34Speaker 5: it when the history of policing is white supremacy. But yeah,
- 33:38Speaker 5: he's saying terrors. Look at who controls the police, the FBI,
- 33:42Speaker 5: the CIA, that's homegrown shit, they don't need to infiltrate.
- 33:47Speaker 2: Yeah, and white supremacists infiltrating the police, Like you said,
- 33:52Speaker 2: that's just people getting jobs as cops. You're kind of
- 33:56Speaker 2: upholding white supremacy just joining most police force horses. And
- 34:01Speaker 2: so yeah, I think that would be the reason why
- 34:03Speaker 2: police officials don't do shit about it, because they're mostly
- 34:07Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking white supremacists themselves.
- 34:09Speaker 4: Yeah, and they protect themselves. So what did he say
- 34:12Speaker 4: to Muslim brotherhood? Was doing would make the both diet healthier?
- 34:17Speaker 4: I guess yeah.
- 34:18Speaker 2: I actually kind of want to read the book because
- 34:22Speaker 2: there aren't a lot of specifics out there in the
- 34:26Speaker 2: various articles and things about it in terms of what
- 34:29Speaker 2: his actual complaints are.
- 34:32Speaker 3: I did see that he sort of starts it with
- 34:35Speaker 3: George W.
- 34:35Speaker 2: Bush and says the problem was that George Bush defined
- 34:41Speaker 2: the enemy as terrorism and not as Islam, which to me,
- 34:48Speaker 2: I hear that and I'm like, oh, so you're racist.
- 34:52Speaker 4: Exactly right, Like what do you mean? Like what? Yeah?
- 34:57Speaker 4: So you glad did they not the government? And it
- 35:00Speaker 4: isn't racist enough?
- 35:02Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 35:02Speaker 5: This kind of just sounds like some shit right winger
- 35:05Speaker 5: thought up because they thought Obama was Muslim or some
- 35:08Speaker 5: shit like that, I would say.
- 35:09Speaker 2: So, yeah, so I'm interested to see what his specific
- 35:12Speaker 2: claims are. I'll probably read his book just to see.
- 35:15Speaker 2: But this guy won the government, he got away with
- 35:19Speaker 2: writing the book, So what reasoning would they have to
- 35:23Speaker 2: have killed him four years after that book came out.
- 35:26Speaker 2: But also he left a note that he taped to
- 35:32Speaker 2: the dashboard of his car. He's found next to his car.
- 35:35Speaker 2: But he also left a meticulous set of documents at
- 35:39Speaker 2: his home explaining how he wanted his possessions distributed in
- 35:44Speaker 2: his assets and how to access them and all that.
- 35:47Speaker 2: That feels like suicide to me. That's a lot of
- 35:51Speaker 2: work for a staged suicide, I think.
- 35:56Speaker 5: Yeah, And this guy didn't seem to make out a
- 35:58Speaker 5: serious case or maybe was upset his book didn't get
- 36:02Speaker 5: bought by Vice and trunk into the documentary or something maybe.
- 36:07Speaker 2: And also his neighbors said he seemed depressed. He gave
- 36:11Speaker 2: all his plants away to one of his neighbors right
- 36:14Speaker 2: before he died, which.
- 36:16Speaker 5: Yeah, that kind of sounds like somebody that's on their
- 36:18Speaker 5: way out, because yeah.
- 36:21Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of that makes it seem like he
- 36:23Speaker 2: really did commit suicide. That said after he died, an
- 36:27Speaker 2: FBI analysis of his computer and a bunch of thumb
- 36:31Speaker 2: drives determined that quote many documents found are the property
- 36:35Speaker 2: of the US Customs and Border Protection, and Customs and
- 36:39Speaker 2: Border Protection demanded to have those documents returned. They called
- 36:43Speaker 2: them contraband documents, and the local sheriff's office complied. So
- 36:48Speaker 2: I guess we will never know what's in those files.
- 36:51Speaker 2: I don't like that part. Also, the gun that was used,
- 36:54Speaker 2: they said was traced to him as the owner, but
- 36:58Speaker 2: they actually traced it to the person and it was
- 37:00Speaker 2: registered to and he said he was a friend of
- 37:03Speaker 2: this guy and sold him.
- 37:04Speaker 3: The gun a few years ago.
- 37:06Speaker 2: So that's kind of tracing the gun to him, but
- 37:09Speaker 2: not really because we just have that guy's word that
- 37:14Speaker 2: he sold this gun to Philip.
- 37:16Speaker 4: Yeah, but this one seems at least plausible.
- 37:19Speaker 5: Sound like just a nutty guy who was upset that
- 37:22Speaker 5: America wasn't outwardly racist enough.
- 37:25Speaker 4: I guess I don't know.
- 37:27Speaker 2: Yeah, it does sound like that, because then the question is,
- 37:30Speaker 2: so what you want to.
- 37:33Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. What did you want to
- 37:35Speaker 4: end game to be banned Islam?
- 37:38Speaker 2: That's gonna be tricky talk. About something that will start
- 37:41Speaker 2: a jihad in this country.
- 37:43Speaker 5: Probably that, And what do you mean infiltrated outside of
- 37:46Speaker 5: Rashida Talib And I only know about her because I
- 37:48Speaker 5: live in Michigan. It's not like it's a bunch of
- 37:51Speaker 5: Middle Eastern or Muslim politicians in America anyway.
- 37:55Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, unless he's talking about Saudi Arabia, which
- 37:57Speaker 2: I guarantee he's not. We're never tying about Saudi Arabia
- 38:01Speaker 2: when it comes to stuff like this, So who knows.
- 38:05Speaker 2: I'll check out the book, we'll see how it goes.
- 38:07Speaker 2: But yeah, the fact that he wrote the book makes
- 38:10Speaker 2: me feel like he did not commit suicide. I feel
- 38:13Speaker 2: the same way about Gary Webb. That's the guy who
- 38:15Speaker 2: broke the story about the CIA selling crack. They did
- 38:18Speaker 2: such a good job killing him in the media after
- 38:22Speaker 2: that story came out. They didn't need to kill that guy.
- 38:25Speaker 2: Just look at what has happened since that story came out.
- 38:29Speaker 2: Nothing that is arguably the hugest possible scandal in this country,
- 38:34Speaker 2: and nothing came of that shit.
- 38:37Speaker 5: So something came of it more a billion dollar prison industry.
- 38:41Speaker 5: But yeah no, yeah, nothing came from the government.
- 38:44Speaker 3: Yeah no, repercussions for the government.
- 38:47Speaker 5: But yeah, at that level, what they like, what you
- 38:49Speaker 5: want to do discipline ourselves? Yeah, he had to fund
- 38:53Speaker 5: the conscious what you're talking.
- 38:54Speaker 2: About exactly, and fill those private prisons, right right. I
- 38:58Speaker 2: honestly think Garrett web when he killed himself, was trying
- 39:03Speaker 2: to make it look like the CIA did it, because
- 39:06Speaker 2: he shot himself twice and the first time was just
- 39:10Speaker 2: through his cheek, which I do wonder if he was like,
- 39:14Speaker 2: when people find me, they're gonna be like, wait, he
- 39:16Speaker 2: shot himself twice. The CIA must have done it when
- 39:20Speaker 2: you could definitely shoot your I've seen I saw an
- 39:22Speaker 2: Internet video of guys shoot himself in the fucking cheek.
- 39:25Speaker 2: Once open your mouth wide enough that bullet it's just
- 39:27Speaker 2: gonna hit your fucking cheek. You're not gonna die. Then
- 39:29Speaker 2: you shoot yourself in the head. Looks like he got
- 39:31Speaker 2: shot twice. And now we all think the CIA killed
- 39:34Speaker 2: Gary Webb, But in this one fucking instance, I think
- 39:38Speaker 2: they probably did not.
- 39:40Speaker 5: Yeah, because at that point, it's like the people that
- 39:43Speaker 5: don't believe him anyway, it's nothing that's going to change
- 39:45Speaker 5: your mind anyway. Oh No, black folks just all of
- 39:48Speaker 5: a sudden got access to connections in Nicaragua boats to
- 39:52Speaker 5: bring kilos to coke.
- 39:53Speaker 4: That no way the government could have did that.
- 39:56Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, just drive down to Nicaragua, pick that
- 39:59Speaker 2: shit up, bring it back to Detroit. So let's switch
- 40:03Speaker 2: gears a bit and talk about a few whistleblowers who
- 40:06Speaker 2: weren't targeting the federal government when they died. This first
- 40:10Speaker 2: one's pretty crazy. Kevin Steele fifty six. At the time
- 40:14Speaker 2: when he died, he was a prison guard who made
- 40:18Speaker 2: some pretty inflammatory claims about California State Prison in Sacramento.
- 40:24Speaker 2: According to Steele, and you could knock me over with
- 40:28Speaker 2: a feather when I heard this. So shocking to hear
- 40:31Speaker 2: about corrections officers. But according to his claims, they had
- 40:35Speaker 2: fake documents and planted drugs and weapons on inmates to
- 40:40Speaker 2: obtain more overtime pay. What they would do is near
- 40:42Speaker 2: the end of their shift, just plant drugs on someone,
- 40:46Speaker 2: go in, find the drugs and be like, oh, I
- 40:48Speaker 2: got to stay a few hours late tonight to write
- 40:50Speaker 2: this report. And they would get over time for that.
- 40:53Speaker 2: For that, they were willing to just ruin lives even
- 40:56Speaker 2: further than they were already ruined by being in prison.
- 40:59Speaker 2: He also alleged guards would spread false rumors about inmates
- 41:02Speaker 2: and relay details from inmate files to other inmates, and
- 41:06Speaker 2: claimed that on at least two occasions, guards were directly
- 41:10Speaker 2: involved in the killing of a Sacramento inmate. He told
- 41:15Speaker 2: an attorney for an inmate at the prison that guards
- 41:18Speaker 2: allowed inmates to conduct a practice run a week before
- 41:22Speaker 2: two inmates killed a fellow prisoner who was handcuffed to
- 41:25Speaker 2: a share.
- 41:27Speaker 5: Yeah, and this all just sounds like regular cop shit,
- 41:30Speaker 5: except instead of official cops, they were just correctional officers.
- 41:34Speaker 5: But man, it's just at least if you know inmates
- 41:37Speaker 5: you've been hearing for years, that's how most of the
- 41:39Speaker 5: contra band gets in through the correctional officers. They not
- 41:42Speaker 5: getting searched. They and the inmates had died. It was
- 41:46Speaker 5: probably some type of extortion or something like that. The
- 41:49Speaker 5: person they were extorting didn't want to kick up money
- 41:52Speaker 5: or do whatever. And you know, yeah, it's so much
- 41:55Speaker 5: corruption in prisons. To entire in prison industrial complex is
- 42:01Speaker 5: a billion dollar thing, and entire economies run on prisons
- 42:05Speaker 5: existing in these rural areas.
- 42:07Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it kills me that corrections officers also
- 42:11Speaker 2: have their version of the thin blue line, because what
- 42:16Speaker 2: people don't take into it's crazy that firefighters have it too,
- 42:19Speaker 2: because what people don't take into account is that when
- 42:23Speaker 2: police are saying the thin blue line, what they are
- 42:25Speaker 2: saying is that they are the thin blue line that
- 42:30Speaker 2: separates average, law abiding citizens from the criminal element of
- 42:37Speaker 2: the world. For corrections officers to have that what they're
- 42:41Speaker 2: saying is they are the ones who protect us from
- 42:44Speaker 2: inmates or what No, the walls protect us from the inmates,
- 42:49Speaker 2: You dip shits. You're just there to sell them cigarettes
- 42:52Speaker 2: and black.
- 42:55Speaker 5: Yeah, that you've snuck in your Dorito's bag. We also
- 42:59Speaker 5: got to remember these people have an inferiority complex. They
- 43:03Speaker 5: couldn't make it on police, which already has a low
- 43:06Speaker 5: standards for what you need to do to become a cop.
- 43:08Speaker 5: And I guess early spoiler wonder for my plug, I
- 43:11Speaker 5: just dropped the video about policing in America. So now
- 43:14Speaker 5: in their mind they're like, well, we just like the
- 43:16Speaker 5: cops too, so we gotta protect this and do that.
- 43:19Speaker 5: But also it's a lot of corruption because you're working,
- 43:21Speaker 5: you surrounded by criminals, and at the end of the day,
- 43:24Speaker 5: they're going to believe that they're going to believe you
- 43:26Speaker 5: over the inmates anyway.
- 43:28Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah.
- 43:29Speaker 2: It's a huge power in balance, and that's why in
- 43:33Speaker 2: a perfect world there would be a lot of oversight
- 43:36Speaker 2: and limits on what kind of interaction corrections officers can
- 43:40Speaker 2: have with inmates. But there's not, so shit like this
- 43:44Speaker 2: happens at various points. Kevin Steele also went to prison
- 43:49Speaker 2: officials above him with concerns about the treatment of a
- 43:53Speaker 2: prison investigation unit employee named Valentino Rodriguez. He had tried
- 44:00Speaker 2: to report misconduct within the prison and was harassed and
- 44:04Speaker 2: ridiculed by his fellow colleagues over it. According to his claims,
- 44:09Speaker 2: guards routinely used racial and homophobic slurs against inmates. They
- 44:15Speaker 2: also harassed him personally with the same kind of slurs,
- 44:19Speaker 2: and he claimed that when he went to his supervisors
- 44:22Speaker 2: with this information, they told him to shut up.
- 44:26Speaker 3: About it or he would be replaced.
- 44:28Speaker 2: And at one point, this guy, Valentino Rodriguez, texted his
- 44:34Speaker 2: wife and said that his coworkers had found out he
- 44:37Speaker 2: was the one filing these complaints about them, and she
- 44:42Speaker 2: found him dead on the bathroom floor that night of
- 44:45Speaker 2: a fentanyl overdose. But that's just an accidental death. Nothing
- 44:50Speaker 2: to see here. That guy wasn't murdered at all.
- 44:52Speaker 5: Yeah, And as far as with him trying to tell
- 44:55Speaker 5: higher people, the thing you got to realize is when
- 44:58Speaker 5: the state prisons and and federal prisons also, they're all
- 45:02Speaker 5: in the rural parts of America, so you're essentially in
- 45:05Speaker 5: a small town and at a job that the entire
- 45:09Speaker 5: town's economy relies on.
- 45:12Speaker 4: They just finished the book of the New Jim Crow.
- 45:14Speaker 5: If anybody want to check it out, as long as say,
- 45:16Speaker 5: I'll listen to the audio version.
- 45:17Speaker 4: But yeah, these little rural areas, they all rely on
- 45:22Speaker 4: these jobs. So he's like they're looking at him like, dude,
- 45:24Speaker 4: you're about to mess it up for all of us.
- 45:25Speaker 4: Shut the hell up. Yeah they don't.
- 45:27Speaker 5: They looking at it like we basically work at a zoo,
- 45:30Speaker 5: because the people that work in these jobs, they don't
- 45:31Speaker 5: see the prisoners as people.
- 45:33Speaker 2: Anyway, there's a pretty interesting Apple TV show out there
- 45:39Speaker 2: called The Mayor of Kingstown.
- 45:41Speaker 4: I didn't meaning to start. That I heard is really good.
- 45:43Speaker 2: It's really good, and it's about exactly what you're describing.
- 45:47Speaker 2: It's a small town where the entire economy is a
- 45:52Speaker 2: prison and Jeremy Renner plays a guy who acts as
- 45:57Speaker 2: a liaison between the police and criminals inside the prison.
- 46:04Speaker 2: It's interesting, and yeah, I can imagine if you're in
- 46:08Speaker 2: a situation like that, people are going to be really
- 46:10Speaker 2: reluctant to hearing information that might I don't know, shut
- 46:14Speaker 2: the prison down. With making a murderer Stephen Avery the
- 46:18Speaker 2: original true crime documentary series. I mean, it's not, but
- 46:22Speaker 2: it's the reason every true crime documentary is six episodes. Now,
- 46:26Speaker 2: people who are skeptical of him being framed are like, well,
- 46:32Speaker 2: what motivation would the police have to frame this guy?
- 46:35Speaker 2: He was about to win a lawsuit that was probably
- 46:39Speaker 2: going to end that police department, A small town police
- 46:42Speaker 2: department was not going to survive the kind of financial
- 46:46Speaker 2: hit they were about to take. So many people had
- 46:49Speaker 2: every reason to want to frame that guy, and they did,
- 46:53Speaker 2: and they got away with it. And I can see
- 46:55Speaker 2: that being a thing here too. Who knows, but the
- 46:59Speaker 2: entire rest of the team Rodriguez worked for we're fired
- 47:02Speaker 2: and ten of them are facing discipline over his death,
- 47:07Speaker 2: according to a twenty twenty one report.
- 47:09Speaker 3: But nothing to see here.
- 47:11Speaker 5: And the only thing is the Fenton l overdose. It
- 47:14Speaker 5: seemed I don't know how what is your theory on
- 47:17Speaker 5: what that could be, because unless he was just I mean,
- 47:20Speaker 5: it is a lot of people that regularly do heroin
- 47:23Speaker 5: just casually. You know, a lot of people think that
- 47:25Speaker 5: you can spot an attic walking on the street. There's
- 47:27Speaker 5: a lot of functional addicts. So you think he just
- 47:30Speaker 5: got a hot back or something like that.
- 47:31Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
- 47:32Speaker 3: It could be.
- 47:33Speaker 2: It could be you know, someone within the prison who
- 47:38Speaker 2: he trusted, maybe came over to talk to him and.
- 47:43Speaker 3: It happened that way. I don't know.
- 47:45Speaker 2: Yeah, and it could have just been an accidental overdose
- 47:48Speaker 2: that happened at a highly coincidental time. Coincidences do happen too,
- 47:53Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. That's the thing about fentanyl,
- 47:56Speaker 2: it's it doesn't take a lot of it to kill
- 47:58Speaker 2: a person. You could of I'm assuming you could resolve
- 48:01Speaker 2: it in a drink kill a person that way too.
- 48:04Speaker 3: So I don't know.
- 48:05Speaker 2: But it's actually not the only death in this story
- 48:09Speaker 2: because remember we started by talking about Kevin Steele about
- 48:13Speaker 2: a year after Valentine Rodriguez turned up dead or Valentino Rodriguez, sorry,
- 48:19Speaker 2: Kevin Steele turned up dead once again from a single
- 48:23Speaker 2: gunshot wound to the head in Miller County, Missouri, where
- 48:27Speaker 2: he had fled to after word of his reporting on
- 48:31Speaker 2: fellow corrections officers got out and as far as I
- 48:34Speaker 2: can tell, the Rodriguez death was ruled an accident. Kevin
- 48:38Speaker 2: Steele's death was ruled a suicide. And that's it. That's
- 48:43Speaker 2: where the story ends. And I'm sure things are so
- 48:46Speaker 2: much better inside that prison.
- 48:47Speaker 4: Now. Yeah, and the prison, what state is it in again?
- 48:51Speaker 2: It's in California. It was in Sacramento. It's in the
- 48:54Speaker 2: capitol of California, so not a small town. They have
- 48:57Speaker 2: a sports team. At least it was an actual Sacramento proper.
- 49:02Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, because I know a lot of prisons
- 49:04Speaker 5: and stuff are in smaller areas. I wonder was that
- 49:08Speaker 5: a minimum security prison or something, because a lot of
- 49:10Speaker 5: these prisons and stuff they keep them kind of far away.
- 49:13Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, right, that is true, but in California, like,
- 49:18Speaker 2: you can't really keep people too far away because the
- 49:20Speaker 2: state's so big.
- 49:21Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you could.
- 49:23Speaker 2: Now, I don't know where in California these inmates committed
- 49:27Speaker 2: their crimes. They could be from southern California, and Sacramento
- 49:32Speaker 2: is northern California or kind of central California, but it's
- 49:37Speaker 2: in terms of driving from LA it's the state's drive away.
- 49:42Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, California. It's huge, just like Texas. One of
- 49:46Speaker 5: the places that people were like, oh man, I don't
- 49:48Speaker 5: understand why Americans don't go abroad more. Maybe because your
- 49:52Speaker 5: entire country can fit in one of our states.
- 49:54Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
- 49:55Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to see all of these states here
- 49:57Speaker 2: first we call foreign country states.
- 50:00Speaker 3: I still got stuff to see here. Although I did
- 50:02Speaker 3: just go to Costa Rica. It was cool.
- 50:03Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about this last one. Speaking of prisons,
- 50:07Speaker 2: Gabriella Contreras. This one is very very strange. She leaked
- 50:14Speaker 2: surveillance videos from inside the Lewis Prison Complex in Arizona.
- 50:20Speaker 2: And this is in I'm pretty sure a pretty small town.
- 50:24Speaker 2: It's called Buckeye, Arizona. You ever been been to Buckeye Arison?
- 50:29Speaker 4: Right?
- 50:29Speaker 5: I think Arizona only has one city that people heard
- 50:31Speaker 5: of anyway.
- 50:32Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of Phoenix, Well, Phoenix, Scottsdale, flag Staff. I
- 50:37Speaker 2: can name Kingman, but only because I've driven past it
- 50:40Speaker 2: on the way to Albuquerque a bunch.
- 50:42Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I.
- 50:43Speaker 4: Can't scott flag Staff.
- 50:45Speaker 5: I think they getting no bang, getting no star on
- 50:47Speaker 5: the map, so they don't really count those.
- 50:49Speaker 2: Like I did a great show in Scottsdale. We love
- 50:53Speaker 2: you scotts don't. I just know it wasn't Phoenix, and
- 50:59Speaker 2: I was like, oh, would have been cool anyway. Speaking
- 51:02Speaker 2: of prison, this conduct, Gabriella Contreras, did you watch this video?
- 51:06Speaker 1: No?
- 51:06Speaker 4: I just read all of the notes.
- 51:08Speaker 3: It is nuts.
- 51:10Speaker 2: What this video shows is that inside this prison she
- 51:14Speaker 2: worked at, the inmates cells didn't lock at all. So
- 51:19Speaker 2: this video is of two corrections officers in a fight
- 51:24Speaker 2: with two inmates, and as this fight is carrying on,
- 51:28Speaker 2: all the other inmates are just opening their doors freely
- 51:32Speaker 2: and seeing this happening and running down to join in
- 51:36Speaker 2: this fight. And this was apparently a problem for ten
- 51:41Speaker 2: years at this prison, and they knew about it and
- 51:44Speaker 2: just didn't fix it, which I can't fathom that.
- 51:50Speaker 4: Yeah, why does doesn't even need to be leaked?
- 51:53Speaker 5: This is something that employeesly, Yeah, we're not coming to
- 51:55Speaker 5: work today. Let's y'all fix the goddamn prison doors.
- 51:59Speaker 2: And see I wantoner if this is what you were
- 52:01Speaker 2: talking about, Because Buck Eye Arizona, I bet there's not
- 52:06Speaker 2: a shit ton of jobs in Buckeye, and I bet
- 52:09Speaker 2: what it was was people would go to their superiors
- 52:12Speaker 2: and be like, Hey, we would like these doors fixed
- 52:15Speaker 2: so we don't die at the job. And I bet
- 52:17Speaker 2: those superiors were like, Hey, there's a McDonald's in town
- 52:21Speaker 2: that you could work at if you'd rather go do that.
- 52:24Speaker 3: And so it takes someone.
- 52:26Speaker 2: Like Gabriella Contreras to put this information out to the
- 52:30Speaker 2: public so people outside that ecosystem can get outraged a
- 52:35Speaker 2: little bit. Not only that, but she's the one who
- 52:39Speaker 2: leaked the videos, and then Arizona launched an investigation and
- 52:44Speaker 2: the governor ordered that the prison produced a report, a
- 52:49Speaker 2: detailed report about every one of the locks that didn't work,
- 52:53Speaker 2: and when they did those reports, the supervisors at the
- 52:57Speaker 2: prison ordered the corrections officers to alter those reports before
- 53:02Speaker 2: sending them back to the governor. And Gabriella Contreras reached
- 53:06Speaker 2: out to the governor when that was happening and told
- 53:09Speaker 2: him about that also, And she was anonymous for a
- 53:15Speaker 2: long long time, but finally gave an interview with a
- 53:18Speaker 2: local ABC affiliate there and just a little over a
- 53:22Speaker 2: year after she initially leaked the videos and the story broke,
- 53:26Speaker 2: police responded to a domestic disturbance call at her home
- 53:32Speaker 2: and found her dead from a single gunshot wound to
- 53:36Speaker 2: the head. They immediately ruled it a suicide and shut
- 53:40Speaker 2: it down right away. And man, something about them responding
- 53:44Speaker 2: to a domestic disturbance makes me feel like maybe the
- 53:48Speaker 2: neighbors heard something more than a single gunshot, because otherwise
- 53:53Speaker 2: the police would be responding to gunshots.
- 53:57Speaker 5: Yeah, or at least another person or something. They didn't
- 54:00Speaker 5: mention a boyfriend or anybody in the house. How the
- 54:03Speaker 5: hell is it a domestic disturbance?
- 54:05Speaker 2: It in a suicide, yeah, And the fact that the
- 54:08Speaker 2: neighbors called it a domestic disturbance makes me feel like
- 54:11Speaker 2: they did hear possibly a man's voice in that moment,
- 54:15Speaker 2: but immediately ruled a suicide and nothing else ever came
- 54:20Speaker 2: of it. And with her, it's not even that she
- 54:24Speaker 2: was at the finish line in terms of what she
- 54:27Speaker 2: was trying to do. It got done because of what
- 54:30Speaker 2: she did. There were like a thousand locks that were
- 54:34Speaker 2: replaced within that prison. The entire prison leadership was fired
- 54:40Speaker 2: and replaced, the prison's name was changed. But also again
- 54:44Speaker 2: small town, the prison is probably the main employer. So
- 54:49Speaker 2: even though all that got done, you know, there were
- 54:53Speaker 2: still lots of people with a whole lot of motivation
- 54:56Speaker 2: to want to kill her for.
- 54:58Speaker 3: No other reason than revenge.
- 54:59Speaker 5: Maybe, yeah, they had some incentive for not wanting those
- 55:02Speaker 5: locks fixed, you know.
- 55:05Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and I wonder what that would be. Why
- 55:08Speaker 2: would you not want to fix that? But as far
- 55:12Speaker 2: as I can tell, there hasn't been any other investigation
- 55:16Speaker 2: taken into her death. There's not even a lot of
- 55:18Speaker 2: reporting about this one. It's the other prison story. There's
- 55:23Speaker 2: a podcast series about it, and there's a bunch of
- 55:26Speaker 2: information out there about this, but about that one.
- 55:29Speaker 3: But this is local news reports mostly.
- 55:32Speaker 2: Well what was her name again, Gabriella Contraras.
- 55:36Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's not exactly a name Americans really care about.
- 55:40Speaker 5: Like that's a little too ethnic for them to make
- 55:43Speaker 5: a big deal out of it. Like, listen, we only
- 55:44Speaker 5: get one serial a decade for a four and last name.
- 55:48Speaker 3: That's true. That's true.
- 55:50Speaker 5: So seriously, minority dies, you better hope that it's better
- 55:55Speaker 5: hope that it's enough circumstances for us to care about.
- 55:58Speaker 5: I wrote a line in my newest video, the only
- 56:00Speaker 5: reason that Eric Garner happened because everybody was home. Otherwise
- 56:04Speaker 5: that would have just been another Saturday or whatever in America.
- 56:07Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so we could talk about more.
- 56:10Speaker 2: I'm sure there's more that have even happened since twenty twenty,
- 56:13Speaker 2: but I put the twenty twenty limit on this one
- 56:16Speaker 2: to just show how often this happens, and also to
- 56:20Speaker 2: rein it in a little bit.
- 56:21Speaker 3: But there's more. There's lots of examples.
- 56:24Speaker 2: Of whistleblowers throughout the years being suspiciously suicided, I guess
- 56:29Speaker 2: is a good way to put it. And I don't
- 56:31Speaker 2: doubt that John Barnett is another, and I don't doubt
- 56:36Speaker 2: that nothing will ever come of it, Like I can't
- 56:39Speaker 2: imagine this being any different. I don't think anyone's going
- 56:43Speaker 2: to get prosecuted for murder in the John Barnett case,
- 56:47Speaker 2: but we'll see.
- 56:48Speaker 3: You know.
- 56:48Speaker 2: What I almost put on the list was Jean Luke Brunell.
- 56:52Speaker 2: He was the European wing of the Jeffrey Epstein operation,
- 56:57Speaker 2: and he also committed suicide under very suspicious circumstances after
- 57:03Speaker 2: he was arrested, and that got a whole lot less
- 57:06Speaker 2: attention than, I mean, for obvious reasons, than the Jeffrey
- 57:09Speaker 2: Epstein thing, but still it's pretty shady.
- 57:14Speaker 4: Yeah, yes.
- 57:15Speaker 5: And also with the Boeing thing, like that's one of
- 57:18Speaker 5: what two companies the average person can name that does airplanes?
- 57:22Speaker 5: Would I know Boeing? And then I love without Google?
- 57:25Speaker 5: I know Rose Royce makes the jet engines. They got
- 57:28Speaker 5: such a large share of the market, they got Buku
- 57:31Speaker 5: money to do whatever. And it's so many people that
- 57:34Speaker 5: has invested interest in things going away.
- 57:37Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous.
- 57:38Speaker 1: You know.
- 57:39Speaker 2: Yeah, Boeing would absolutely have the resource system make this happen.
- 57:45Speaker 3: And I don't know.
- 57:46Speaker 2: I can't imagine being skeptical enough to hear that John
- 57:51Speaker 2: Barnett story and be like.
- 57:52Speaker 3: Come on, Boeing wouldn't do that. Boeing makes machines that.
- 57:56Speaker 5: Kill people, right, I really, how these people that just
- 58:01Speaker 5: don't believe these sources? How do you?
- 58:03Speaker 4: What level of privilege or how do you live your
- 58:05Speaker 4: life that you just trust the government and police and
- 58:08Speaker 4: all of that stuff.
- 58:09Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine. And it's because the government has
- 58:15Speaker 2: done such an amazing job of stigmatizing the word conspiracy,
- 58:20Speaker 2: and once people can say, oh, so you believe conspiracies,
- 58:26Speaker 2: then it's done. It's there's a whole portion of the
- 58:29Speaker 2: population that's just not even going to engage in the
- 58:33Speaker 2: conversation when they hear the word conspiracy. I send those
- 58:36Speaker 2: booking emails out to book guests for the podcast. There
- 58:40Speaker 2: are guests who respond for every single show except the
- 58:46Speaker 2: Conspiracy Podcast every time, and I guarantee it's because they're
- 58:52Speaker 2: liberals or progressives who don't believe right wing conspiracies, and
- 58:57Speaker 2: when they hear the word conspiracy, see, they immediately think
- 59:02Speaker 2: right wing conspiracies.
- 59:04Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 59:05Speaker 5: Like I said, like I always say it's too Americas
- 59:07Speaker 5: because sometimes I listen to an episode, I'm like, oh, wait,
- 59:10Speaker 5: that's the conspiracy every black person.
- 59:11Speaker 4: I don't believes that. We just a lot of stuff
- 59:14Speaker 4: that people consider conspiracies.
- 59:15Speaker 5: No, we've been telling y'all this shit for years that
- 59:18Speaker 5: entire economies run on locking up black men. Its entire
- 59:22Speaker 5: books written about this shit. Like it was US government.
- 59:25Speaker 5: I mean, the economy would literally change. There's literally lobbyists
- 59:30Speaker 5: and stuff so that we don't just to keep federal
- 59:33Speaker 5: laws and stuff like this's but yeah, I know it's
- 59:36Speaker 5: not the plug section, but seriously, the guys if the
- 59:38Speaker 5: audio version, check out the new Jim Crow. The tenth
- 59:41Speaker 5: anniversary edition came out a couple of years ago. That's
- 59:44Speaker 5: when I listened to so It. The original book came
- 59:47Speaker 5: out in twenty ten, so it was written during Obama's era,
- 59:51Speaker 5: so the tenth aniversary came out in twenty twenty.
- 59:54Speaker 4: So it's super interesting because she the offer.
- 59:56Speaker 5: She goes into the feelings of Obama, what Trump made words,
- 1:00:01Speaker 5: and why our system its deepestit.
- 1:00:04Speaker 4: It's way deeper than you can imagine.
- 1:00:05Speaker 5: Even if you understand that, you know that police perform
- 1:00:09Speaker 5: off of white performance and just locking minorities, but it's
- 1:00:11Speaker 5: even deeper the information in that book.
- 1:00:14Speaker 3: Yeah, people should check that out. I have not read it.
- 1:00:16Speaker 3: I'll read that.
- 1:00:17Speaker 2: And we should get the plugs because I think we
- 1:00:20Speaker 2: have hit the end of the episode.
- 1:00:22Speaker 3: Thanks so much for doing the pod. I appreciate it.
- 1:00:25Speaker 4: No problem.
- 1:00:26Speaker 3: What do I have to plug before we get out
- 1:00:28Speaker 3: of here?
- 1:00:29Speaker 2: You don't pod dot supercast dot com. You can go
- 1:00:32Speaker 2: there to get bonus episodes of Conspiracy Show and all
- 1:00:37Speaker 2: of our other shows. We still have a Patreon also
- 1:00:40Speaker 2: Patreon dot com slash on Pops, but there's only one level.
- 1:00:43Speaker 2: It's eighteen eighteen dollars a month. You have more flexibility
- 1:00:46Speaker 2: at Supercast, so check that out and that's all I
- 1:00:50Speaker 2: got for now. What else do you got to plug?
- 1:00:52Speaker 5: Just my YouTube channel, John Lewis Jawn and it's Lewis
- 1:00:56Speaker 5: like Louis Vautan. That's the easiest way because I'm constantly
- 1:00:59Speaker 5: chained the titles to some of my videos for the algorithm.
- 1:01:03Speaker 5: But my newest one that's out by the sign this
- 1:01:05Speaker 5: comes out. It's basically it's called I just changed it
- 1:01:08Speaker 5: to why Police Corruption? That never changed and yes it's
- 1:01:13Speaker 5: basically about all of that stuff. But yeah, it's doing
- 1:01:15Speaker 5: pretty good. My previous video flopped, but I'll tell you
- 1:01:18Speaker 5: ahead of time. Sorry for the audio. I had a
- 1:01:20Speaker 5: bit of an audio issue. The game was peaking a
- 1:01:22Speaker 5: little bit. But it's still worth to watch and I'll
- 1:01:25Speaker 5: be I'm working on my next video right now.
- 1:01:27Speaker 3: Nice And I think that's it. Let's get the fuck
- 1:01:31Speaker 3: out of here, John say goodbye.
- 1:01:33Speaker 5: All right, guys, I'll hear y'all for the next inspiracy
- 1:01:36Speaker 5: because the list is really short.
- 1:01:38Speaker 3: I guess good bie, everybody, we love you.
- 1:01:46Speaker 4: People.
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