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How about we normalize compassion instead? | HBR Talk 410 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk four to ten. How
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  Speaker 1: about we normalize compassion instead? And unfortunately nobody's listening to
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  Speaker 1: us right now. Right obviously you guys are, but I
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  Speaker 1: mean the folks at the top, the people in medicine,
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  Speaker 1: the people in politics, the news media.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody cares.
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  Speaker 1: I think what's happening in Canada isn't an anomaly, it's
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  Speaker 1: the plan. So we need to raise a ruckus and
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're doing here. We're going to be reading
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  Speaker 1: an academic article tonight, So the show's gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: little dry in places, maybe the whole show, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: take it slow, so we might end a little early tonight,
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  Speaker 1: just because it is academic and not not something that
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  Speaker 1: you know, we can grab onto and go on long
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  Speaker 1: rants and and uh laugh.
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  Speaker 2: At the absurdity.
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  Speaker 1: But just a heads up, that is what we're doing tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Hannah Wallen here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks,
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  Speaker 1: the personification of perceptivity, Mike Stevenson.
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  Speaker 3: Have I done that one yet?
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  Speaker 4: That will do? Richard the Lionhearted, Hello, Oh them is
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  Speaker 4: mainstream now? Theory is America and the UK.
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  Speaker 2: The Hickamory is mainstream.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because they write a paper about it in the
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  Speaker 4: Guardian about four million minute. The UK will not do anything.
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  Speaker 4: They're stuck in their rooms. Have reached the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is mainstream now. There is an attorney here locally
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  Speaker 1: in the Dayton, Ohio, Ohio region of the Ohio world
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  Speaker 1: who is advertising lawyer Maxing.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I sent a picture to Richard a while ago. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I still have it, but that blew
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  Speaker 1: my mind.
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  Speaker 2: We were driving to check out the venue for the.
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  Speaker 1: Mixed up meetup, which the mixed up meetup is going
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  Speaker 1: to be the last Saturday in August, which I believe
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  Speaker 1: is the twenty ninth. We'll be meeting at noon at
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  Speaker 1: the Wright Patterson Air Force Museum and we'll look around
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  Speaker 1: the museum and then we will go from there to
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  Speaker 1: the second venue, which is going to be only announced
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  Speaker 1: to the people who show up for the mixed up
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  Speaker 1: meetup at the first venue, so that way nobody can
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  Speaker 1: pull any shit, because we know nobody's going to pull
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  Speaker 1: any shit on the air Force base. No, nobody's that stupid.
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  Speaker 1: I hope nobody's that stupid anyway. And yeah, well I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how many drones does he have.
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  Speaker 2: We had we had a Knight of the Drones here that.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the the the the spooky tubers were talking
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  Speaker 1: about it a while back. I don't know what the
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  Speaker 1: upshot of that was, whether it was a prank or
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  Speaker 1: something else. But if somebody did something they weren't supposed to,
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, this is an air Force base. It
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  Speaker 1: is a military base. The museum is on a military base.
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  Speaker 1: So uh to the people who hate us find someplace
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  Speaker 1: else to do something stupid.
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  Speaker 3: You know, part of me thinks there's someone out there
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  Speaker 3: woke enough to call up an air Force base and
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  Speaker 3: say you have fascists in your midst and there'll be
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  Speaker 3: someone at the base that's woken up to go, oh okay,
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  Speaker 3: we'll gun them all down right now. Like now, is
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  Speaker 3: that a thing that's happening in America yet, because that
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  Speaker 3: would absolutely happen in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's it's not a thing that's happening in America yet.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact, like you, you can get in trouble on.
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  Speaker 3: So swatting's happened everywhere. That seems to be something in America.
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  Speaker 3: America is not immune to No.
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  Speaker 2: Actually we're kind of known for it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, but but I would not expect to UH
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  Speaker 1: to have any problems, which is why I chose that location.
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  Speaker 1: There are three things that convinced me that that location
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  Speaker 1: is a great location. One of them is, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: it is not a place where anybody's going to start
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  Speaker 1: any ship.
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  Speaker 2: The whole thing is going to be peaceful both sides.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, you know, we don't have to worry about people
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  Speaker 1: on our side starting ship, but nobody can accuse us
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  Speaker 1: of it either, because nobody would be dumb enough.
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  Speaker 2: To do that, right.
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  Speaker 1: The second thing is it doesn't cost anything to get in.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's a food court. It's not a complicated
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  Speaker 1: food court, and that's it. There's souvenirs and stuff, but
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  Speaker 1: you can walk in and out of there. You can
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  Speaker 1: go through the entire museum if you want without spending
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  Speaker 1: a time. And the third thing is it is it
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  Speaker 1: has a great deal of nerdy stuff and a great
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  Speaker 1: deal of historical stuff that is masculine and men related.
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  Speaker 1: So it just seemed like the perfect starting point. The
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  Speaker 1: second venue is more game related, because we do have
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  Speaker 1: that connection, and so I thought i'd sort of mix
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  Speaker 1: it up a little bit. That's so it's called the
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  Speaker 1: mixed up meetup, and like I said, it will be
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  Speaker 1: the end of the month, the last Saturday of the month,
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  Speaker 1: which I believe is the twenty ninth. Don't have the
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  Speaker 1: calendar right in front of me, but we will start
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  Speaker 1: at noon. All meet everybody at the entrance if you've
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  Speaker 1: been there before. The old entrance is now just an
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  Speaker 1: exit and you have to turn right and keep walking
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  Speaker 1: a little bit once you get to the entrance to
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  Speaker 1: get to the real entrance now, but it's still the
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  Speaker 1: same building and everything. So that's where I'll meet everybody
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  Speaker 1: at noon, and we'll go inside, look around, see some
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  Speaker 1: of the exhibits, hang out there for a few hours,
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  Speaker 1: and then head on to the second venue. Just if
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  Speaker 1: people are really enjoying the museum, we may stay longer.
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  Speaker 1: If people are more interested in getting to the second
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  Speaker 1: venue sooner, we may stay less time. It'll be very
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  Speaker 1: informal because I'm a.
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  Speaker 2: Slob, So that's the way we're going to do things, and.
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  Speaker 1: Hope to see as many people there as we did
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  Speaker 1: the last time.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe more.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to see more, but in any case, that's
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  Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Sorry that card sorry stuck up
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  Speaker 1: Dala Lana School of Public Health. This is Trudeau Lemons
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm not going to get to make this
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  Speaker 1: reach the top either because it just keeps. Let's see
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  Speaker 1: if I can do it this way. Nope, Okay. Undeniably,
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  Speaker 1: a strikingly higher number of people die with direct healthcare
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  Speaker 1: provider involvement in Canada's euthanasia regime, euphemistically termed medical assistance
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  Speaker 1: in dying, then under a California style assisted suicide program.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's interesting, you know, just just thinking about it,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of skipped over that, you know, skimmed over
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  Speaker 1: that before. But I think there might be more people
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  Speaker 1: in California than there are in Canada. I know, the
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  Speaker 1: population of Canada's not huge, no.
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  Speaker 4: And most of them live further down, you know, across
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  Speaker 4: the latitude longitude of the line, but they further south.
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  Speaker 3: Most of them are straddling the US border basically because
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  Speaker 3: of Canada is unlivable, Wasceland. But still there's there's more
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  Speaker 3: people in the states that in the United in the
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  Speaker 3: American states that border Canada, than there are in all
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  Speaker 3: of Canada.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not more people in California, but there's all
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  Speaker 1: there's about the same amount Canada. California has thirty nine
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  Speaker 1: and a half Yeah, that's right, thirty nine and a
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  Speaker 1: half million. That seems like a lot, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: and plumbting for.
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  Speaker 3: The reasons we're going to explore in this stream.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, California, their population took a nose dive largely because
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  Speaker 1: of mass migration.
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  Speaker 3: Will escape to red states to make them blue states.
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  Speaker 3: They never fucking.
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  Speaker 1: Learn well, Canada's got forty forty Oh no, Yeah, forty
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  Speaker 1: million and a half forty and a half million, So
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  Speaker 1: they got one million more in total in all of
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  Speaker 1: Canada than in the state of California.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, how many how many profitence does kind of have?
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  Speaker 4: How many whats Providence?
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  Speaker 3: Oh god, it's something like twelve. I tried to memorize this,
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  Speaker 3: and I won't bother go th in the list because
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  Speaker 3: it's but it's it's between ten and twenty. I think
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  Speaker 3: it gets difficult towards the East, where there's lots of
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  Speaker 3: little ones same as the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Not as many provinces as we have states in the
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  Speaker 1: US that that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: We've got we've got some that are.
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  Speaker 1: Tiny, especially like I can say that because I'm from
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  Speaker 1: Ohio and when you look at like Rhode Island, Vermont, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like they're they're they're a little We've got counties,
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  Speaker 1: some counties there as big as some states, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so it's a it's a little different here.
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  Speaker 4: The anything do what the anything about Him's Cleveland to
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  Speaker 4: the perish.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cleveland, Well, actually Cleveland is I think when you
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  Speaker 1: when you count Cleveland and the clinging suburb suburbs, the
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  Speaker 1: ones that are actually if you know, cross the wrong
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  Speaker 1: street you end up in the actual city of Cleveland.
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  Speaker 1: That might be bigger than some states. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty big. H But in any case, we'll we'll
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  Speaker 1: stop there because I don't actually know that for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I'd have to be looking at it on a map.
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  Speaker 1: And it does rock as well, So yes, it does rock.
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland rocks, and and we have friends there.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to the water Bear Brigade. Darryl Pullman twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three rightly identifies several key reasons, the fact that
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  Speaker 1: in all about all cases it involves a lethal injection
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  Speaker 1: by healthcare providers rather than assisted suicide with self administration
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  Speaker 1: and medication, the laws vague and broadly interpreted access criteria,
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  Speaker 1: acquiescence and dot dot dot in difference of federal and
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  Speaker 1: provincial authorities, the court's medical associations, and briefly mentioned the
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  Speaker 1: failure to treat ending of life as a last resort.
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  Speaker 1: This is a big one. We just read about that,
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  Speaker 1: right and this has in some ways made Canada a laughingstock.
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  Speaker 1: It really has, like their memes all over social media,
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  Speaker 1: Oh you have a hangnail, Well, we can help you
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  Speaker 1: with that. Let's let's go in this other room and
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  Speaker 1: we can kill you. And this is the difference between
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  Speaker 1: assisted suicide and medical assistance in dying. Assisted suicide is
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  Speaker 1: where you, the patient, go through the process and any
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  Speaker 1: place where you have difficulty because of a technical issue.
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  Speaker 1: You can't push a button, you don't know how to
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  Speaker 1: use this stuff, You have questions about how it's going
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  Speaker 1: to work, and you need answers. The medical profession helps
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  Speaker 1: you along the way and if you don't go through
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  Speaker 1: with it, it's because you stopped. Whereas in Canada they
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  Speaker 1: are now at the point where if you sign up
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  Speaker 1: for this, they administer it to you. You are not
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  Speaker 1: doing it yourself. You are having it done to you.
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  Speaker 1: And if at some point you change your mind but
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  Speaker 1: you're not competent to communicate that anymore, it's too late.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do. Like that's a big deal
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  Speaker 1: and it's something that it eliminates. It important fail safe.
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  Speaker 1: It should always be available to the patient to stop
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  Speaker 1: the process and not go through with it, right up
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  Speaker 1: to the point where the drug is being administered. Say no,
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  Speaker 1: I change my mind, I don't want to do this. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we won't do this, but that's not what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: They're always looking for painless ways to kill someone, but
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to find a way that's completely painless, because
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  Speaker 3: how do you interrogate the patient as to how much
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  Speaker 3: pain they're in when they're on the verge of death.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people have made apologetics for beheading because
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  Speaker 3: they think it's painless, and it's probably not. Like the
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  Speaker 3: head is alive for like a few seconds, but I
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  Speaker 3: would imagine it's in a great deal of pain. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have a spine, but it has enough of a
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  Speaker 3: spine to try pain and what have you. And now
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  Speaker 3: they're doing it with with these lethal injections, and it
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  Speaker 3: just led to believe that they're painless. But I would
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  Speaker 3: imagine they're not painless in the final moments unless you
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  Speaker 3: put them under anesthetic. Because under anesthetic, you're not experiencing anything.
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  Speaker 3: You're not even experiencing time. I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 3: ever been put under medical anesthetic, but it's it's not
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  Speaker 3: like you it's not like having a drunk blackout where
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  Speaker 3: you can at least still register the time between getting
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  Speaker 3: blackout drunk and waking up in the morning. You can
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  Speaker 3: still you know that A lot of time has taken
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  Speaker 3: place while you were passed out, but we're not. We're
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  Speaker 3: with medical anesthetics. You don't even experience the time. Your
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  Speaker 3: brain is still operating, but you're you're not even there.
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  Speaker 3: It really it's like you get put under and then
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  Speaker 3: it's as though moments later you wake up again. And
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  Speaker 3: so if it takes place during that anesthesia, I mean, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I guess you wouldn't experience whatever pain went on, but
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  Speaker 3: that that's sort of what we're talking about right now.
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  Speaker 3: If you're under anesthesia, then you can't then you are
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  Speaker 3: no longer able to say no, I don't want this anymore.
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  Speaker 3: In that point, the anesthesia is the death sentence, if
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  Speaker 3: you see what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, it would be.
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  Speaker 1: But even before that, you know, there's there's different conditions
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  Speaker 1: that you know, people go for treatment with for this
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  Speaker 1: type of treatment, I guess, and with some of them
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  Speaker 1: you're you're competent right up until the last minute. And
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  Speaker 1: with some of them, you know you have this instruction
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  Speaker 1: to wait until you know you're you're close to death
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  Speaker 1: and and then do it. But at that point your
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  Speaker 1: mind is gone, all right, at that point you maybe
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  Speaker 1: can't communicate anymore. This depends. Richard Bierre says one of
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  Speaker 1: the drugs for made in Canada causes fluid build up
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  Speaker 1: and the lungs and is essentially drowning with liquid filled
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  Speaker 1: lungs while paralyzed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, I that's insane.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there's there's you know, the drugs that they
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: used to do executions stop your heart and if they
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: don't give the drug that makes you go to sleep,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: but they do give the paralytic, it's a torturous death.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And there have been some instances where there has been
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: some evidence that the paralytic took effect but the anesthetic didn't.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Some people are immune to anesthetic and then some people
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: metabolize it extremely quickly. I metabolized it extremely quickly. I
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: was in surgery. When I woke up, it was not pleasant.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: So these kind of things.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Like they're not fail safe. They if you've never been
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: under anesthetic before, you don't know until you go through
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the experience that you're going to wake up in the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: middle of surgery. And fortunately it wasn't an abdominal surgery.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I think I would have had a heart attack and died.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But some people have had that experience as well, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: it's a usually the anesthesiologist figures it out, because all
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, your vitals go off the charts. But
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: when it first started happening, when they first started running
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: across people waking up under the paralytic still working but
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the anesthetic having worn off, they didn't know what was
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: going on. So they continued, rushed through the surgery and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: sowed the person up to you know, try to treat
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the condition. And then as soon as they stopped the surgery,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the condition stopped as well. And then they hear back
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: from the patient. Yeah, I was awake for that. I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: felt everything, and it is It's just it's indescribable, like
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: feeling is something slicing into you over and over again,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: and then feeling yourself getting sewed up and everything. It's like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I would not wish that on another person.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Not even Anthony Fauci Well, no, no.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: No, not even Antony Antony.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I would wish him to go to jail. I would
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: wish everything that he has built in his entire life
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to be torn down while he's still alive and sees
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it happening. But not not to wake up under anesthetic
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, he'd probably pleaded the fifth. He'd want
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to drink the fifth at that point at least it would,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you know, provide some degree of numbness.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I am not as empathetic towards the aforementioned quote unquote
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: doctor anti Fauci. I think that he has caused so
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: much human so up bring. I mean to me, it
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: only feels right if he at least gets a little
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: bit of that back in return. Because he's not I
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: don't know they're talking about that, they can put him
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: in jail. I don't see how he's been pardoned. But
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: that only means that you don't have the fifth Amendment.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Congress, but you know what's gonna end up happening
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: now is uh there will be a constitutional challenge. There
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: will be a constitutional test because they'll be they'll have
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to to uh decide. They'll have to decide a couple
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: of things. First of all, does the can the presidential
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: pardon include crimes that a person hasn't committed yet because
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that one did, and if it, if it's legal for
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: them to do that, that's that's really bad. That should
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: not be set as a precedent. Nobody should be able
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to pardon anyone for crimes that they're going to commit.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: In the future.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: That's just it's just not right, you know. And the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: other question that's probably going to come up, and I
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like I I was kind of hoping to
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: see this, but it you know, and it may not.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: There is still the potential to challenge whether Joe Biden
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: was even really president during that time, by which I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: mean was he all there.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not just that.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump was rightfully the president because he actually won
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: the election.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I hope on YouTube we could we could, but we
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: could go there too.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Wasn't even there he at it was.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: So what was making that they can have to mention
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: in the second time as well.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: A little bit maybe nobody quite knows he did.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was something.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: He wasn't the same person.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was something that was never proved. But you're
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: you're right, he was not the same person that he
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: was during his first term. And honestly, like in some ways,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't it doesn't really matter, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: because it's too far down the road to do anything
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: about that now. And some of the laws that that
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Reagan passed have been replaced, like the original domestic violence
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: law that was federal law in the United States, uh
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: family Violence Prevention and Services Act of nineteen eighty four,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the one that was gender neutral and didn't discriminate against men.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: That was a Reagan law. Right, it's it's been replaced,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: it's been piled on top of by the Violence Against
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Women Act, which is not gender neutral, does discriminate, and
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: pretty much preempts everything in the Family Violence Prevention and
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Services Act that addressed what is in the Violence Against
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Women Act, and it added a whole bunch of other
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: things that were not in the other law that were
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: completely unnecessary and did a lot a lot of damage. So,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you know, going that far back is kind of useless.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: But if there had been a situation like this, you
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: can bet dimes to dollars, you could bet your ass
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that the Clinton administration would have looked into can we
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: get this overturned? Even if it had been a full
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: four years later, if somebody had been pardoned that shouldn't
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: have been pardoned and preemptively pardoned, and then the Clinton
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: administration was investigating crimes that they committed during the Reagan administration,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: they still would have looked into was Reagan competent to
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: pardon this this person? And can we suggest that the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: pardon is invalid because he wasn't, so I know there's
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: gonna be Democrats that are going to be mad.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Oh you can't. You can't do that.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: You can't challenge the competency of a passport. Yes you can,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and they're going to and it'll be interesting. I want
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to I want to see what happens, because there was
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: quite a bit that he did during the last few
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: months of his like he went on a signing frenzy
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: during the last few months that he was president, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: by he, I mean whoever was controlling the auto pen
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And I would like to find out who that was
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and whether or not any of the things that they
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: signed are legally binding, because if they're not, there's a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: really big fan close to a really big pile of shit,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and it'll be it'll be spectacular to see what happens
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: when they turn it on.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I've been sat here thinking about it for a few minutes.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: And how how does one punish Anthony Fauci If it
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: makes sense to punish a murderer with murder, and and
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: it does, I mean it makes sense on the surface.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: If you've denied someone else their right to life, then
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you have forfeited you're right to life. But how do
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: you punish someone who's killed millions? You can't kill a
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: person millions of times, you can only kill them once. Yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: how do you how do you punish someone who has
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: tortured millions? You have to torture the millions of times.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I think doing some kind of paralytic non anesthetic surgery
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: would be a good way to go. And maybe you
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: could do that thing people have been talking about where
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: you manipulate gabba pathways in the brain and it makes
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: like a month feel like one hundred years, and you
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: torture them while that's going on.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: But who has to be the person it has to remember?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I like, I just can't not me.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I brought this up on a stream a few months
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: a few months ago, Like, if it turns out you
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: can manipulate gabba pathways in the brain and make someone
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: experience a thousand years in a year, would that be
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: an alternative to prisons? Could? Could it work out that way?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: And at what point has it gone too far? It's
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: it's a really interesting, uh point of contention. Yes, it's cruel,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: but we're supposed to be cruel to people who have
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: been cruel to people so as to deter them from
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: being cruel to people in the first place, and it's yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I leave your comments below, folks. This is a yeah,
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: that's a big always has been.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So my personal opinion on the justice system is that
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: there isn't really any justice in it. It's not about
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: it's not about fixing anything right, it's just about breaking people.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think that helps anything. I don't think that
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: improves anything. And considering the effects on the crime rate,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it strikes me that unless you can change the way
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: people think, not just have them sit in a cell
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: and feel punished, but actively change the way they think,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: they come back out and well that's where the recidivism
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: rate comes from. So it's more complicated than we do
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: this to punish. But in the meantime, I'm going to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: get on with the rest of this. This the thing
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: one of the things actually that scares me about this
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: is the attitudes of people in the medical profession. Sometimes
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: if you if you don't like a particular pathway that
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: is suggested in medical treatment, and they say well, you
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: can you survive this way or you can go into
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: hospice this way, and you say, well, I'm going to
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: try to survive a different way than what you're saying.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: For instance, they want to make a medical change that
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: is an equivalent of an amputation of you of your legs,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: like that big of a change, and you're not sure
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you're ready for that yet, and so you say, well,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that, but I'm not ready
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to go into hospice carry yet either. There's another thing
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that I've heard of, and I'm going to try that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: There are two different ways that medical professionals will respond.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: One of them is with interest. Oh I hadn't heard
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of that, or I had heard of that, but we
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: haven't tried it. It's not you know, available here in
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the States or whatever.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Tell me how it goes.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I'm dying of curiosity, right because they want to know
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: if it works. But the other end of it is, well,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I am the medical god and I have told you this,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and you just disobeyed me. You can go fuck yourself.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: And I've seen that attitude at work, and I've seen
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it result in a person going forty eight hours with
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: food because a doctor refusing to sign off on a
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: medical order for you know, for the person to be
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: able to eat is waiting, you know, for another medical
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: professional to sign off on their medical order that they
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: acknowledges this person is not going to do this thing,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: but they still had to give an assessment and give
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: another recommendation. And because that person was mad that the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: recommendation wasn't being the initial recommendation wasn't being taken, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the doctor was mad that the initial recommendation wasn't being taken,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: they butted heads for forty eight hours. Well, this this
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: person languished in a hospital bed and didn't meet and
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I just I was livid, and I was unable to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: do anything about the situation until I finally got with
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: an individual who had a little pull in the situation.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Talked to that individual and said, you're starving a patient
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: because you're having battle of the professional egos here. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: then the individual came in, did the assessment and and
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: signed off on, you know, the the medical order that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: needed signed off on, and the individual in the bed
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: was able to get some food. I know that that happens, right.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: What's going to happen when you have somebody suggesting you
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: need to go on a vegetarian diet and you decide
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: that you're not going to be a vegetarian, and they
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: have that attitude and they can say, well, we can
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: treat you with medical assistance and dying. What's going to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: happen when you get flash or the professional egos and
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: somebody says, well, we can just kill the patient like that
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: terrifies me.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is particularly disturbing, especially when you see these
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: people on like TikTok and they post these shorts. Well
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: there was one. I just watched. This guy's black gay
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: guy whatever. Whatever. None of that is even well, I
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: mean the black part does, right, But I'm not helping
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: white people because white people is racist. And you're in
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: a medical profession and you are posting online about how
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: you don't want to help people. Isn't the first oath
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: that you take is do no harm? I mean, it's
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: it's in there in the oath when you decide to
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: become a medical professional. And yet here we have just
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: I mean you see it all the time. Oh he's
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: this is a mega person. I'll never take care of them.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: They're gonna sit in the waiting room forever. It's disgusting,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Like we've gotten certain people have let politics get in
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: the way of their moral standings, if they even had any. Yeah, right,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: it's so's it really is disturbing because you know, as
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: we get older, you know there's going to be a
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: lot more or less that depend on assistance from other people,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: especially in the medical field. And if this is the
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: type of attitude that they have towards people, it's no
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: wonder that medical assistance in dying is becoming more and
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: more popular. And it's disgusting. I hate it. I hate it,
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: you know as much as Look, I really don't hold
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: this stance for many people, But like the Anthony Faucis
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: of the world, there's no telling what I would do
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: to that man, right, And I don't really feel apologetic
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: about it. I mean, I'm sorry. We're talking about going
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: back to the eighties and it's not just people. He
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: and he tortured animals. You know, He's responsible for so
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: many atrocities, and he was the head of the NIH. Yeah,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: the man was earning more money than our own president,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: and yet we're just giving him this past. I mean,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: I don't want to say that we're giving him a pass, right.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: There are definitely people who want to see him held
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: to account. I just don't believe that it's going to
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: happen in a satisfactory way to bring any kind of
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: justice to the families of the people who have died
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: under his recommendation. You know, there's.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Literally nothing that human beings could do to that man
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that would satisfy me. You know, you can't bring my
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: parents back. They're gone. They're not coming back. They're gone.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And I you know, you can't make him feel guilty
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: about this. He will not.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: It isn't a matter of.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Like, there's no way to reach a person like that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: This is this is awful. I've been through enough abuse
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: at the hands of people who don't have a sense
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: of guilt within them, Like they can't feel guilty. They
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: don't it's absent from their their mental makeup. I've been
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: through that, and I've looked into their eyes. I know
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: what there's there. You know their their clockwork looks like
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: behind their eyes. Right, you can't change the way that
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: man thinks about what he did. It will never happen.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: He will never regret it, he will never care about it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: If you punish him, he will feel distress, But it's
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: just distressed for the sake of distress. There is no
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: lesson he's going to learn from this.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Point is not about punishment. It's about ridding the world
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: of this.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Right and right and because of that, get rid of him.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. Because of that, there is no like.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I will never get satisfaction from anything that happens to
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: to Anthony Fauci. The one thing that I want the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: most can never happen.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I don't care what happens to that man. What I
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: do care about is what he did can never be
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: allowed to happen again. Nobody else should go through what
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the many families that experienced what I experienced and worse.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Experience.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Nobody should have to go through that again, not one person.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And I want the focus to be on that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: To do that, you do have to dig into what
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: did Anthony Fauci do exactly what steps did he take?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: We know what he did on a grand scale, but
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: what day to day little things did he do in
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: his office? How did he push money around? Who did
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: he talk to, what conversations did he have with them?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And what laws, What loopholes in the laws that governed
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the government allowed a government bureaucrat to set off a
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: germ bomb in the world that killed people all over
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the world and then pretend to try to fix it
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: and lie to everybody, and that that's what needs to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: be handled now. The man himself else, in my opinion,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: is a lost cause like that's I don't usually like
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: to say that about people, but that's the situation, and the.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Lost cause should be killed, should they not.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: What is he going to do if we don't kill him?
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: What threat is He's going to go on to kill
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: more people?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Someone else? Someone else, someone else is going to see
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: this happening and go, oh, look what I can do
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: without having any consequences.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless unless get closed.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: It's more important to me.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I don't care if he dies. I don't care if
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: he does lives. I don't care if he goes rots
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: in jail for five or ten years before he dies.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I don't care what that outcome. Is my biggest concern
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: of all the things that can happen, because I, like
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I said, the thing I want the most, no human
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: being can accomplish, And I think my parents, where they
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: are now, would be very upset with me if you did.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: But the thing I want the most is a restructuring,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: a reformation, a revamping of legislation and policy to make
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: sure this can't happen again. You know, it's as far
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: as I'm concerned in this situation, It's like when you
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: have a case of food poisoning. Anthony Fauci is the diarrhea, right,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: You're not worried when you flush the diarrhea. You're worried,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you know, when you take the emmodium or you go
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: to the hospital and you drink a lot of water
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and gatorade to make sure that you don't have you know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: dehydration and loss of electrolytes. We don't need to sit
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: around and talk about the shit. It's already overdone and
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: over with. Next steps are all right, what did we
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: get food poisoning from? And let's let's get rid of that,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: get it out of the refrigerator and into the trash,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: clean out the fridge, and uh, you know, get recovered
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: from from the diarrhea. And that's essentially the way I
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: view this situation with Fauci. It is too late to
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: worry about. You can't deter the next guy by killing
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci. They're not going to care because they'll be
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: smarter than him, even if they're not. And the laws
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: won't be the same, Yeah, the laws won't be the same,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and so they aren't going to go the same route either.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: There's always going to be people like Thanny Fauci. The
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: most important thing is that we look at policy and law.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Everybody always wants policy and law to protect against their
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: neighbors infringing on their you know, personal space, or their
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: rights or whatever. Nobody thinks about how important it is
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: that the law and policy protect the people from government abuses.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: That's the most important thing that law and policy can do.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: If it's not doing that, it's worthless. So that's that's
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: my And this is a similar situation in Canada. People
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: are being suggested death as a therapeutic response to a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: fractured hip. A fractured hip can be treated and afterward.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: You can travel.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: The late that we read about last week climbed a
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: volcano after the treatment that she was offered death as
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: as therapy for for the for the malady. People are
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: being offered death for a situational depression. I I want
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: fail safes. I want the government to not be able
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: to impose this on people. I want I don't care
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: about if one individual is held responsible for it or not.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I want to see a wall put up of protection
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: around the public that the government can't break. Through and
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: start saying, well, you disagreed with this, we think you're crazy,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and since we think you're crazy, we're going to offer
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: you medical assistance and dying.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, there's so many problems with the system. Again,
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: I've said this a million times. I do nothing else
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: but I watch a lot of police bodycam videos, right,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: So I'm watching people get arrested, then they go to jail,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: then they go to court, and then all of the
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: charges of drop, no matter if they kick the officers
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: spit in this phase, yeah, whatever, it doesn't matter. The
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: judges are the ones that need to be held because well,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: they're a major part of the system that needs to
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: be helped to account because how what does it look
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: like to the rest of the population when you go out,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: when you do some fucking gregeous shit, when all you
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: could have done is complied, and so then they put
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: you in jail and there's no there's no accountability, there's
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: no you're not held to anything you don't have to.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: And you know, that's a small that's a very very
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: small thing on top of an entire fucking iceberg of
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: corruption that is happening within our not only our government,
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: but our judicial system, our police enforcement. And you know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna hold I can't. I can't put too
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: much on the police because they're out there doing their job, right,
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: they are trying to get these people to the appropriate
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: place where they belong, which is in court and underneath
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: a judge's fucking you know, under his scrutiny. But no,
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: it's just and so they think they could just do
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: it again, and do it again, do it again, and
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: do it again, and it happens. So what do these
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: high level criminals imagine it that when you have ties,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: when you know people, and there's just I just you know,
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: I love the Nick Shirley thing of going out and
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: exposing the fraud. I wish there was someone that could
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: do that within the legal system. And there are people
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: there are you know, people who have studied law who
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: are online and they're doing this type of work. But
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: it's not it's not swift enough, and it's not it
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: just doesn't have the effect. Right, Like the public may
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: know or see this evidence that these people are corrupt
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: and be up in arms about it, but it doesn't
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: matter if no one's going to actually put these people
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: in the position that they need to be to be
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: held accountable. Yeah, I'm sick and tired of it. It's
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: just disgusting.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, the same thing happens in our
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: school systems, in our medical community, every system we have
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: where there's a hierarchy and something akin to a national
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: union or a nationalization of it. And the healthcare system
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: is sort of nationalized even though it's not paid for
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: by the government under federal regulation. And to a degree,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: everything is sort of lined up in accordance with how
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: we treat old people and how we treat disabled people.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: But as soon as there's no watchdogs, you know, looking over,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: are we engaging in abuses? Because old people and disabled
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: people often have things like dementia or intellectual disabilities or
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: mental health conditions that make it harder for them to
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: exercise their rights and defend their rights. When you get
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: to people who don't have a diagnosis like that but
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: are just uninformed, their rights get trampled all the time
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: because nobody's there to defend them. You don't have an
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: umbudsman for normies, right, right. You have an umbudsman for
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the elderly and an umbudsman for the disabled. And I've
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: talked to those umbudsmen, and they they are pit bulls
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: for the people that they are there to protect. It's
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: a good thing, but it's a lot harder to find
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: someone like that if you're just an average person.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Who saw.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: The medical provider discuss three different pathways and then say,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: but I like this past pathway best, and I think
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: you should take it instead of letting you say, well,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I've got some questions about each of these pathways, but
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: this other one looks like I might be able to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: handle it better, you know, And and then they get
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: mad and engage in some level of abuse, coercion, and
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: and so on, and it's it's it's bad. And the
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: other thing that ends up happening is insurance companies interfere
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: with your medical care.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: And you know, your.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Your provider might say to you, well, there's these three
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: pathways you can take, but this one's the best, and
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: it works the fastest, and it's the most effective, and
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: more people have expressed satisfaction with it. This other one's
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: the one your insurance company will cover. Like that should
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: never happen, but it does all the time. So but
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: going on with this, this person points out, let's see
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: where we're we particularly the last points are worth exploring
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: further since they are likely among the key reasons why
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Canada's regime results in substantially higher percentages of euthanasia deaths
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: even when compared to the few other liberal euthanasia regimes.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: When they say liberal, I think what they mean is
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: there are some places where the doctor can't suggest it
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: to you. They can't do it without a whole lot
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: of counseling. And if you get right up to the
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: last second and say I changed my mind, they have
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: to stop and they have. The other thing is that
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: it has to be you doing it with their assistance,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: not them doing it with your consent, and.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: You have to be in a position where you can
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: actually vocalize.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: That, right.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: I think those are the conservative regimes.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: The liberal ones are the ones that are like, we
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: don't have any rules, this is just allowed, right, Or
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of rules, this is just allowed.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: But I know in the United States.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: The same problem has happened in a couple of places
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: where people have been offered euthanasia because the insurance company
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: won't cover treatment. So but Canada's got it worse when
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: compared with the few other liberal euthanasia regimes. And with
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: an accumulation of reports of arguably troubling practices. These points
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: are also connected to the laws origin and constitutional litigation,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: which has had a remarkable impact on the Canadian debate
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: and policy. So it sounds like it exists in Canada
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: because of a lawsuit, not because.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: They passed a law.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's right. But the rhetoric this
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: individual goes over a Pullman sketches well the legal saga
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: of how Canada first partially legalized maid then expanded it
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: within five years outside the end of life context. And
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: we might end up looking up because it's linked here Pullman,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. So this is only a few years old.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: It's not ancient. So yeah, it was the Supreme Court's
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Carter decision. It didn't create an unrestricted constitutional right. It
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: invited Parliament to legalize some form of physician as to dying.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: It issued broad parameters for law reform, tied it to reasons,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: tight its reasons to the circumstances. The case case of
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a patient approaching her death and confirmed the role of
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: criminal law in protecting life. Doesn't sound like what happened
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: at that hospital that we read about last week.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Does it not at all.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Just yeah, it seems like this is a big departure
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: there from from from this that was not a patient
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: that was approaching the end of her life, and h
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: the circumstances of the case didn't indicate that she needed,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: you know, to be rescued from an untimely death or
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: from a painful one.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, and see, so for what this does in
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: my brain, you know, I know this is Canada, it's
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: not the you even though you know, I'm not very
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: sure that the US won't adopt this policy, But if
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: that type of thing were to happen in the United States,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: I would just like to point out that, you know,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: our social purity is going to run out very soon,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: probably before I retire, right, And so it would only
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: make sense for people to try, well the officials, to
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: try to eliminate as many people as they can off
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: of these pay roles. But I don't know, then they
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: could just use them as their voter base. You know.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: It's it's sickening to think of the things that can
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: happen because the things that are already happening. I don't know, I.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: Don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: There's just you know, there's just no you know, they
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: preach about this respect for life and you know, being
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: this and none that and you don't respect mine whatever.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: But you know, if you get older, then it's just okay,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: need to say, well, you know, you've had a good
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: life and what else. If you're feeling a bad or
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: something hurts, then maybe just might not want to be here,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: you know, and listen, there are there are people who
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: are dealing with mental issues, like mental health issues, right
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: like they might feel suicidal and then something like an
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: injury you might push that feeling even further than what
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: it means to be you know what I mean, just
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: because you're hurt, does it mean that you need.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: To die in the when the heaviness on the other
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: side of the scale exactly matches your will to live,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: something lighter than a feather can tip it.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like that's it's it's rough, and it's actually.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Very difficult to apply more will to live without some
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: sort of an epiphany or another person coming along and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: adding to it from from their perspective. Yeah. And you know,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: with me, it was my family like what they would
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: have to go through, and that kept the scales on
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: the right side.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how many people listening
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: to this have been in the same situation. But yeah, no,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: I've thought about taking my life, tried a couple of times,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: you know, But that's exactly what it is. It's it
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: just it doesn't take much to push someone over the edge.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: And instead of just saying, oh, you're totally right, you
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be here anymore, maybe we should be I don't know,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: building a kind of gener approach to how we deal
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: with people and maybe try to system and really try
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: to help them instead of saying, oh, well, you're just
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: so much of a bother on the system. There's other
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: people that need assistance. So you know, if you just
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: feel like teetering off that edge, then here's here's an injection.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: You can just take that and cool, we did our job.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can. One fails safe that I think
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: needs to be put into place, and I know I'm
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: going to get pushed back on this organ donation not
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: be allowed after assisted suicide.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: I I acception forget about that. I changed my because
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: I did do like the door thing. I changed it.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: And it's not easy to do, right because it's only
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: the driver's license. You have to but I changed my
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: because at any pain, you can be in a hospital
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: and they'll just say and just harvest your organs. Meanwhile,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: you might be able to survive for a couple more
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: days if they just did the right things for you, right,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: helped you, helped you, instead of saying, oh wow, oh no,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's gonna happen with this one.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: There's been cases where they have said that somebody was
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: dead and needed their Yeah, they needed their organs, and
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: they were going to harvest the organs and it was
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: stopped at the last minute. I just retweeted thing of
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: a woman telling her brother's story. He couldn't he was
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: in the audience, but he couldn't actually talk about it
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: because there are some experiences you can't talk about without
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: breaking down. And that was his situation. It is too
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: tim for these medical facilities to sell human flesh. They
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: already do it. They do it with circumcision, they do
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: it with organ donation. Now, there's already problems with organ donation.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Now this minute. Today, they're getting caught killing people to
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: harvest their organs when they could help them survive, pronouncing
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: people dead who are not dead, and uh, sometimes it's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: a mistake. Sometimes it's not a mistake. Sometimes it's deliberate,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: and it's very dangerous. If they could suggest that you
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: commit suicide to avoid living with MS, for instance, you
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: don't want. This came to mind because I have a
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: friend who has been battling MS for years. Then the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: next thing they may they may do is say, well,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: let's let's uh, you know, we could get some eyeballs
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: and some kidneys out of this person. It's then they
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: might do it. Right, if it's depression, they definitely would,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: because depression doesn't affect your organs right right, it's particularly bad.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: And in this circumstance, with the broad application of this law,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: we don't know that they're not already doing that now.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: Well, I believe it. I believe listen, I absolutely believe
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: that it's happening right now. So, you know, any kind
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: of technology that seems new to us, the government already
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: had it for maybe twenty thirty years, right, they're just
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: letting us know about it. So I am never in
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: a position where I'm just, oh, this is a branding thing. Oh,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: but they must just be finding out about they must
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: just be thinking of No, it's been going on. They
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: know what's happening. They are complicit in this, and you know,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: there's just I don't know, somehow there's some legal way.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: They just get away with it all of the time.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: And I think a part of that is because, you know,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: especially when it comes to healthcare, Uh, John Doe doesn't
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: have necessarily the finances to sue a hospital or the
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: medical industry, right and.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Well in particular or not if he's dead, well.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Right, right, But even if his family decided, like if
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: you decided that you wanted to press charges, which I
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: you know, your situation just really pisses me off because
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: it was completely avoidable. And you know, but you would
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: have to have millions, millions of dollars to try and
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: go against that hospital and prove that they actually did
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: something wrong, even though with your medical background, you know
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: that there was something. I know it's going wrong, right,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: I know, I know. And so but this is this
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: is why these people get away with it, because the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: average person does not have the ability to go after
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: the people that wrong them. And you know, I get
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: like it.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: It's so it's so.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: You know, you could talk about how expensive lawyers are, right,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: and you've got a point there, you know, because you
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: can spend ten minutes on the phone with a lawyer
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: and you've got a bill for five hundred dollars.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Mm. Well, and you can't trust them either. Some lawyers
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: really good and some lawyers are not really good. Some
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: lawyers care about the client. Some lawyer lawyers just care
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: about their bottom line or their you know their name,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: and don't even care about their name. Some just care
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: about their bottom line or Ambulance chasers are everywhere, and
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: this is this is the other thing, like there's that.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: That's one instance of many, many instances in which I
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: might have been able to have a lawsuit against someone
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: in the medical profession like that. My first experience that
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: could have been worthy of a lawsuit, I was four
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: years old and I almost died of anaphylaxis because a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: doctor didn't want to admit that I was having an
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: allergic reaction when you kept telling my parents I was
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: having a temper tantrum until I saw and then then
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: he had to give me a shot in the chest,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: which I watched. I watched him do it from the ceiling.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I remember that it's really weird, discombobulating.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: I had the out of body.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Experience and everything I used to conflate that with my
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: first asthma attack in my head, because the one, the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: first asthma attack happened just before I was two years old,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: and the first about of near death anaphylaxis happened when
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: I was four, So, you know, like that was the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: first that was the first first moment of malpractice I
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: experienced in my life, and then there were many after
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: and some of them were things that were done to me,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: and some of them were things that were done to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: family members. You know, I had family members that went
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: through bad surgeries that came out with bad results because
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: of somebody's malpractice.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or doctors operating on the wrong land. Yep.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: I was put on medications that I never should have
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: been put on because doctor didn't recognize the difference between
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: side effects and naturally occurring illness. And that was actually
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that a doctor. Five doctors couldn't figure
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: that one out. So I think it would have been
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: figured out if I was still seeing my old country
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: doctor that I grew up with, but by that time
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: she was retired. But this is a very common thing, right,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: medical malpractice, doctor making mistakes, doctors not caring what they're doing,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: doctors on autopilot. I think a lot of what happened
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: to me was doctors on autopilot.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's too it's too common. It is uncomfortably common.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: Right at my job, you know, everybody else around me.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking about three one, two, three, four
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: levels of people that the paperwork has to go through
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: before it gets to me. And basically kind of what
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: I do is medical building. But just for the car business, right,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: it has to go through so many layers of people.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: Cannot be the one that fucks up. I'm responsible for
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: millions of dollars per year for this company, right, and
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: we're just talking about cars, We're not talking about human
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: fucking lives and these things.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: It's easy to overlook something it really is.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: It really is, and people don't understand that. But at
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: the same time, you know, it all scales, right, But
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: I'm oh, these people are I'm a doctor. I went
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: to medical school and I'm so super duper fucking smart. Well,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: you shouldn't have people dying on your watch that or
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: getting even further sick on your watch. You should have
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: some that they're justice. I am not okay with the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: level of incompetency that I'm seeing from these people who
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: have these large you know, I went to school and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: I want to pay all these bills, and I think
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: that it's oh my god, sorry, I'm no, it's it's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: like so, and this is what's happening in my industry.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: In this with this particular company, right, they would rather
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: pay a technician no matter what he does. They would
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: rather pay him another fifteen dollars than actually spend the
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: time that it takes to diagnose the car. And so
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: you're getting a lot of these repayers that are happening,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: and they're not accurate, they're not necessary, but yet they're
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: paying the bill for it. Right, the manufacturer is paying
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: the bill for all of these failed just I didn't
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't care. Now, I won't do that.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: So there's a there's a you know, you can opt
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: out of doing that, which I absolutely did because cause
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: I think that my guys deserve to be paid for
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: the time that they spend on diagnosing things. But where
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: is that in the medical industry. It's just none of that.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, we heard doctors, We've heard stories about doctors
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: like scheduling c sections even when the mothers don't even
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 7: need one.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: Just because it's inconvenient for them and they need to
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: get back to their golfing schedule.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Or you have a you have a situation like mine
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: where the nurse never had delivered a baby before, and
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: because she had a degree, she would not listen to
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: anyone else in the room, Like because mom was just
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: a mom, I was just a patient. You know, my
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: husband was just a guy. How would he know right
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: in a factory at that time, you know, like, why
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: would why would he know? But the monitor kept indicating
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: cardiac distress, so she she shut off the monitor. Oh
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: oh my my mom went out in the hallway and
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: gave the receptionist an ultimatum. You call the doctor or
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I call the doctor. It'll be better for everybody here
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: at the hospital if you call the doctor. Yeah, the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: doctor was called. The doctor showed up. The doctor walked
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: into the room, went straight over to the monitor and
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: bellowed out in the voice of God, who.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Turned off this monitor?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Did I see this nurse who had been sort of
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: standing over me, and you know, like.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: Everything's she had.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: There's a voice they use.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, people in the medical profession, when they think you're
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: an idiot, they start talking to you in the Glinda
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: the Goodwitch voice. I swear to you, I hate that
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: voice more than any other experience that I have with people.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I hate that voice more than getting cussed out and
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: called names. I would rather have somebody call me every
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: name they ever heard of than talk to me in
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: that voice. I hate that voice, and that is the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: voice I hear every time I ask questions at the hospital.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Are you sure about this? For what purpose? Are we
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: doing this procedure?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: And so on?
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Right, and she went from about five foot seven until
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: to about five inches in a second and fled the room.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Another nurse came in and they had me in the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: o R in like five minutes to do a sea section.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: But that was necessary. That was like, he wasn't coming
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: out that he was born with a ring around the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: top of his head from where he.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Couldn't get through the surface.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: It's just like, oh my god, that's not gonna be permanent,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: is it? And the doctor's laughing at me. It was like,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't want people to make fun of him.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: He would hate that.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Right, But no, it was not permanent. It was just
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: he was he was dehydrated and he had this ring
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: pressed from the cervix and the top of his head.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: And you know that that's that's that's a necessary sea section,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: like an unnecessary sea section. Is that I don't want
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: to go through labor. I just don't want to deal
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: with it. I want to get this done before we go,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: you know, overseas and.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Like no, but it's there's a lot, there's a lot
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: that happens.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I don't though, if you remember, I
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: very particularly remember this story. It was a black.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 8: Female obgyn in Georgia who was assisting this mother and
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 8: giving birth and in doing so the normal Nazi section,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 8: and in doing so, she literally tore the baby's head off.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Days No, I did not.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, And then they tried, they tried to hide it
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: from the mother, right so you know, of course, shortly
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: after she gave birth, they announced or they told her,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: you know, that the baby didn't survive. And so she
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: went to get an autopsy from them. And this was
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: the reaction, like they the doctor literally just pulled too
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: hard on the baby's head. The doctor you, yeah, I'm
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: telling you right now, I M yeah, I don't want
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: to go to a hospital. I I hope that I
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: never have to go and I know that that's unrealistic
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: at some point in my life.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: Just doesn't that just make you want to put these
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: people in charge though, of people get medical assistance. Yeah,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: accidentally pull off the baby's head.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: By the way, I checked the wrong box.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: You're getting the lethal injection, not the the tummy tuck.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, right right, no, thank you. And and you know,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: like it says here, uh, the court ruling that this
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Canadian law has supposed it was supposed to have been
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: based on issued broad parameters for law reform, tied to
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: tied its reasons to circumstances of the case of a
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: patient approaching her death, and confirmed the role of the
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: criminal law in protecting life. In other words, it was
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: never supposed to be used for any other reason. Yet,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: despite the cases limitations, advocates for broad legalization advisory committees
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: in which the latter often received influential positions, health professional organizations,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: so doctors, organizations, and media commentators quickly embraced a rhetoric
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: of a constitutional right to made. This is messaging, not.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: Debate.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: It's like when they when you see those memes with
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: all the different commentators on all the different channels that
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: use the exact same phrasing and everything to promote an idea.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: That's what happened with Made, and that's that wasn't to
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: push it through. It was to keep people from questioning
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: a broad application, because it should be acceptable for someone
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: to get relief from a horribly painful, fatal condition. But
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: it should also be very important to defend people against
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: being killed for having a treatable medical condition. And it
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: also should be people's right to say, I am against
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: killing myself, and I will suffer the horrible death if
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I have to, but I won't do this. And the
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: medical profession should not be able to force someone to
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: go through with this. They shouldn't be able to recommend
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: that someone go through with this, and they certainly shouldn't
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: be able to offer it as a treatment for a
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: broken hip or depression or minstrel cramps.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: I would just love to know how well, all right,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: So again we're shipping back to the United States because
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the laws are in Canada. But
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: it's illegal to try to kill yourself. Did you know
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: that if you try to jump off of a bridge
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: and somehow you just end up failing at the process,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: you will be arrested. So what is what is it?
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: Do we want people to decide way it's time for
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: them to go? Or are we going to do I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: don't know. I don't know.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: As the joke goes, it's illegal to kill yourself because
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: it counts as destroying government property. Yep, the government is
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: allowed to kill you. You are not allowed to kill
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: yourself because you do not belong to yourself. You belong
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: to the government.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Yep. Fucking So, I guess the last thing that I'm
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: gonna say on this and we're gonna continue this next week.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: We'll we'll pick up right where we left off at.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: You know, the fact that it was intended to be
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: limited specifically to situations where the person is dying, Like
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: we'll pick up with that and go from there.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: But we're all dying. Everybody's dying. You're dying from a
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: minute that you're born.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Like, well, it's that's kind of like when somebody tells
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: someone with the generative disk disease that everybody has the
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: generative disc disease. To generative disk disease does to you
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: in your twenties and thirties, what usually doesn't happen to
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: you until you're in your seventies or eighties. True, and
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: then by the time if you survive into your seventies
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: or eighties, the results are horrific. But in any case,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: what I would point out here is there is a
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: difference between compassion for somebody's suffering and not wanting to
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: do the work to alleviate it in the best possible way.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: If you have compassion for somebody suffering, and you know
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: that with a lot of work, you can help them
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: survive and stop suffering, or at least stop suffering what
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: they are suffering in the moment, but you decide that
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: you'll shoot them instead. Right, If you know that, and
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: you decide you shoot them instead because it had ended
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: instantly and then you wouldn't have to deal with it anymore,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: that's not compassion. That's selfishness, and it's murder. But in Canada,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: if your doctor does it and uses a styringe instead
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: of a gun, it's medical assistance in dying. Before we go,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: we some superchows. I have a window here with superchows,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: and I have no fucking clue where I put it. Oh,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: there it is. I just minimized it. Why I minimized it,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I did, so there's probably like
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: a shitload of them.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: We will start with at the beginning of the show.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Meredith g gave us five dollars and said four to
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: ten HBI talk four ten honey for the Badgers. Thanks
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: for the thought provoking conversation. Dark Kikimura gave us five
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: dollars and said, hot take. If it's not a correlation,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: is not causation fallacy To assert that feminism has caused
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: over a dozen advancements in women's rights over the past
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: two centuries. It's not a correlation. Is not causation fallacy
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: To point out that stay at home moms didn't exist
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: until after feminism, That is true. Richard Bierre gave us
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: five dollars and said hashtag I am not dead yet.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Then he gave us five dollars more and said ashtag
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm getting better, And then he gave us another five
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: dollars and said hashtag I feel like going for a walk.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go on the court.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: Well, well, glad, we're glad you're still here with us. Richard.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks, I'm definitely glad. I think that is I don't
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: think we had any super chows or super chats. I
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: mean I didn't see any go floating by nope and
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: no rumble rants, So that is it. So I will
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: thank everybody for listening, and thanks to my co hosts
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: for I know this is dry. I said this was
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: going to be dry, and it is, but it's it's
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: really important. Thanks everybody for reading along. Oh we did
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: get a super chat, but Dustin Jeff gave us five
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: dollars and didn't say anything according to the super chat
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: that came through.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if it I.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: Feel your brother, I don't have to say anything even
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: I think I think silence speaks greater than yeah, violence
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know saying well, I know one thing. I
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: am about to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Provide the show with some medical aid and ending, thank
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: you all of you, and good night