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Ep. 250: Doin' it Your Own Way with Whiskey Myers · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: by Cody Cannon Whiskey Myers. What's going on? Man? Is
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  Speaker 1: that a stage name? What is that your name? You
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  Speaker 1: were born with Coddy Cannon? Yes, dude, that's a great,
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  Speaker 1: great name for a musician. Man, you're bound to be
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  Speaker 1: a rock star with name like that. Yeah, if you
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  Speaker 1: were a rock star named Steve Ronell, that's it ain't
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  Speaker 1: gonna work. Cody Cannon's got of a rock star. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm switching to Steve Fever. There you go, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going into the music business hard. Have a little Copenhagen huh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Always it's my vice, the only vices I have left.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I can give it up. That's your flavor. Yeah, Spencers,
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  Speaker 1: used to you look like a guy that used to dip?
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  Speaker 1: Now really a couple of times, uh, while I was
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  Speaker 1: fishing in like a hundred degree heat when I was
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  Speaker 1: in high That makes you want to have a uh
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  Speaker 1: maybe not want to have one every again. I was
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  Speaker 1: wondering how long you would get without addressing his dip
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  Speaker 1: in his mouth. I don't want to think some primary
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  Speaker 1: thing I'm interested in life, and I didn't think it'd
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  Speaker 1: be the first minute. That was quick. Oh, the first
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  Speaker 1: thing out of my mouth. I saw that cope come out.
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  Speaker 1: I got a little dip. Though, this is like church
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  Speaker 1: size dip. Show me your pinch size there if you're
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  Speaker 1: on mine, like I'm saying, not at church. I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: like Saturday night, half drunk, half drunk, that much a
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  Speaker 1: whole time, the opper and the lower. Did you ever
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  Speaker 1: fill in the upper end lower lip? Nor that ignorant
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  Speaker 1: that's just pushing. Yeah, that's just that's just silly, Chris,
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  Speaker 1: And to do yourself. I'm Chris Alexander. I'm the tour
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  Speaker 1: manager for Whiskey Myers. You too, I do not. I
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  Speaker 1: used to quit. Yeah, was it difficult to quit? No?
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  Speaker 1: I did it when I played baseball when I was
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  Speaker 1: in school, and that was when I got done stopped.
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  Speaker 1: Someone someone tell us the other day that they used
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  Speaker 1: to actually mix um gum and chew when they played baseball.
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  Speaker 1: The Terry Francona that was called who was telling me
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  Speaker 1: this too? He said it would make such a mess. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: Kurt Roscoe, what is that? Like? You have great bubble
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  Speaker 1: gum on one side and you have I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's big league, were like big league chew a
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  Speaker 1: lot with your kids. Man, she had like a pouchy
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  Speaker 1: shredded gum. He was saying that when he played baseball,
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  Speaker 1: they would mix their chew and they're gumb and he said,
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  Speaker 1: when you were outstanding there for a game doing that,
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  Speaker 1: it would generate so much spit you would actually have
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  Speaker 1: a stained circle around you, but you'd build up a
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  Speaker 1: big cheo stain area because it would just generate an
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  Speaker 1: enormous amount of saliva. I don't know if that's a
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  Speaker 1: universal name, but we refer to that as a Terry Francona.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a famous athlete? Uh, he's a famous baseball manager,
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  Speaker 1: So that's a real thing. Crazy, Yeah, Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I can do that. We had a musician in
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  Speaker 1: here one time. He was chewing while we talked to him,
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  Speaker 1: just like yourself, and uh, we're talking about a full stadium,
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  Speaker 1: which it was explained to us is when you have
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  Speaker 1: the upper and lower deck, and he said, that's not
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  Speaker 1: what that's called. It's called a hard nut, which I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea. What the hell, Yeah, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about that. I've I've never I've never tried it. I
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  Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna have to try. Maybe i'm missing out.
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  Speaker 1: We'll watch. Last night, Callahand was over and we were
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  Speaker 1: making some mere gazz, which is you probably you're international
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  Speaker 1: enough that when i'm top about it's delicious. Did you
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  Speaker 1: have you had Sumac right, not poison? Sumac didn't in there?
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  Speaker 1: You didn't, Harrissa sauce roasted red peppers. You put in
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  Speaker 1: lamb casings, which is the worst thing on the planet.
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  Speaker 1: To work with it, just to know they're just like,
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  Speaker 1: it's just they're thin. But they used to make. They
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  Speaker 1: used to make, not even used to think you can
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  Speaker 1: still get them, like if you've got a latex allergy.
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  Speaker 1: They make condoms out of lamb casing. Huh. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: how it looks. It's like such a thing as a
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  Speaker 1: natural condom. Ever, wonder how effective or not that is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's bad for the lamb, so different
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  Speaker 1: uses of the animal. Oh, speaking of which, Man, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't talked about this. I have a picture of this.
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell if I want to put it on
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  Speaker 1: Instagram because it won't it won't perform well and it
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  Speaker 1: will blow my metrics. But we just found uh when
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  Speaker 1: I was with my kids haunt antelope. We found a
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  Speaker 1: coyote dropping and in the dropping was a lamb cast
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  Speaker 1: It was a castration band. Huh. Yeah, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: uh for your listeners at home. One of the ways
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  Speaker 1: they cast rate you can castrate stuff is you just
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  Speaker 1: take a Remember this kid I grew up by, Paul
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  Speaker 1: Anderson was his name. They did it to their dog
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  Speaker 1: with rubber bands. M h. I haven't talked to that
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  Speaker 1: dude in a while. He'd be hard to look up
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  Speaker 1: on the internet. To you, because I got a feeling
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  Speaker 1: there's a thousand Paul Anderson's but um, he put rubber
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  Speaker 1: bands around his dogs scroll because they knew that they
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  Speaker 1: do it in the livestock business. This castration band looks
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  Speaker 1: like the size of a wedding ring and it's green rubber,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll just snay get around the lambs. They'll snake
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  Speaker 1: it around his little scroll and it strangles it. And
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  Speaker 1: somehow he got tangled up with a kyo and the
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  Speaker 1: kyo ate the castration band or whatever, or he just
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  Speaker 1: ate a castration brand, which is hard to picture. I
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  Speaker 1: think you're wrong. I think your audience would like that.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a bandman or a blade man? So good?
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  Speaker 1: My father in law is, yeah, we we we do both.
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  Speaker 1: We cut him in bandom. Oh please tell me more.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can you walk us through it? What do
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  Speaker 1: you guys work with cattle or sheep? Cattle? Okay, walk
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  Speaker 1: us through the process. I mean we just we process
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  Speaker 1: him and when when when he buys him, we we
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  Speaker 1: either band him or cut him. I really don't know
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  Speaker 1: why we do one or the other. To tell you
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  Speaker 1: the truth, I just kind of do what what he
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  Speaker 1: tells me too, so but I'm in great detail. You
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  Speaker 1: make an incision and snake them out. You still band him.
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  Speaker 1: You there's a tool and you reach down and you
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  Speaker 1: put it around the testicles, and then you take a
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  Speaker 1: a sharp knife or you know, a scow pool is
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  Speaker 1: what we use, and you just cut. You make two
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  Speaker 1: incisions and they just fall off, you know. With Also,
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  Speaker 1: the band works in conjunction with an incision right over
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  Speaker 1: what period of time. I don't know how long it
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  Speaker 1: takes him. Uh, probably you know, days, maybe a week,
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  Speaker 1: and they fall off and it's supposed to be better
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  Speaker 1: for him. I don't So what's your read now, because
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  Speaker 1: you're so educated on this. Let's say you're winding around
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  Speaker 1: with your kids and you find a coyote ship at
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  Speaker 1: this time of year, but it's old, like I don't know, hole,
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  Speaker 1: it was a dry area, so wouldn't rock you find
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  Speaker 1: a kyote dropping the contains a castration band. That would
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  Speaker 1: be a little larger band in your head. But in
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  Speaker 1: your head would you be like, oh, he ate a
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  Speaker 1: castration band, or would you be like he ate a
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  Speaker 1: lamb and thereby got the castration band? I would get
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  Speaker 1: a jaked nut. Well does the castration band fall off eventually?
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  Speaker 1: With with the screw them? What's Jake and the nut mean?
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  Speaker 1: I just say Jake said maybe he just hated nuts,
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  Speaker 1: not to lamb. Althought. I said he jaked a nut,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't know what that. But I'm gonna think
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  Speaker 1: of something. I'm gonna yeah, another positioning of the chew
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  Speaker 1: in the now. Yeah, I'm gonna think of like I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna do some kind of inventive thing and call it
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  Speaker 1: jake in a nut and just act like it's always
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  Speaker 1: been called that. Um so you feel that the band? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So when you put the band on, and I know,
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  Speaker 1: lamb and show me with your fingers how big a
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  Speaker 1: castration band is for cattle. I mean it goes down
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  Speaker 1: when you when you first put it on, it's probably
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  Speaker 1: that long, and you hook it and then whenever you
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  Speaker 1: hook it around it probably ends up. You know that
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  Speaker 1: big and honest. So you could feasibly pass your fists
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  Speaker 1: through the castration band, I would say, so, yes, okay, yeah, because,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, this one was like a wedding ring.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing I got so curious about it.
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  Speaker 1: First I showed it to some livestock people, my body
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  Speaker 1: Dug in particular, and he confirmed that's a castration band.
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  Speaker 1: And then he sent me a link where I could
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  Speaker 1: buy that castration band. I could get a haunted um
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of bucks if I was in the mood. Um,
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  Speaker 1: they stick you on the tool. Yeah, it's like you
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  Speaker 1: buy the tool and get the bands for free. Basically, Um,
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  Speaker 1: so you feel that one he's wearing the castration band
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  Speaker 1: like you you put the band on to apply pressure,
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  Speaker 1: make decisions from to drop out. Does that band then
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  Speaker 1: fall away? It should yes, Okay, So it could be
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  Speaker 1: on the ground and the code ate it, you know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how do you know that? Like was their lamb hair there? Like,
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  Speaker 1: how do you know what's from a lamb? Because that's
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  Speaker 1: the kind of castration band is. So my wife grew
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  Speaker 1: up on a farm and she had a cat wander
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  Speaker 1: into the yard one time and they were checking out
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  Speaker 1: the cat, looking at it over. They've never seen it before,
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  Speaker 1: and it had a castration band on it. And so
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they're like just exclusive to one quitter,
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  Speaker 1: especially for us. You don't think You don't think that
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  Speaker 1: a farmer through that castration band he got into his
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  Speaker 1: lamb cast creation band bin and threw it on a cat.
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay. I cannot rule out, especially like what if
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  Speaker 1: it was on a human? What if what if someone
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  Speaker 1: likes the way it feels like out in ranch country?
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  Speaker 1: Do I think it was a house cat? No? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It's a good idea though. I've talked about
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  Speaker 1: this for but I don't care. I'll talk about it again.
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  Speaker 1: We had a cat named Fig. It's kind of long story.
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  Speaker 1: My dad tamed a wild house cat that we named Fig.
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  Speaker 1: He tamed it with fish heads because it would come
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  Speaker 1: around in the winter and he would just leave out
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  Speaker 1: bluegill and perch heads for it, cleaning fish. And he
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  Speaker 1: took a great liking to this cat, and he took
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  Speaker 1: the cat. There was a guy named Nels, Nell's carlson.
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  Speaker 1: Nell's carlson think he's a hog farmer. My old man
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  Speaker 1: took Fig over to Nell's house, two so nils because
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  Speaker 1: he's castrated hundreds of pigs. My old man takes the
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  Speaker 1: cat over there, and I went with him. My brothers
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  Speaker 1: went with him, and they put that cat in a
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  Speaker 1: gunny sack, snipped a hole in the gunny sack and
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  Speaker 1: snaked his little scroll out that hole, and that cat
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  Speaker 1: fought him off. They got a nick in the cat.
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  Speaker 1: The cat fought him off so viciously that they just
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  Speaker 1: said never mind. The cat heeled back up and lived
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  Speaker 1: its entire life intact. Fought off a hog farmer, and
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  Speaker 1: I remember getting so upset I went into the house
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  Speaker 1: because the cat was just making a ruckus. Yeah. Whenever,
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  Speaker 1: to the fish hatchery, we used castration bands and tools no,
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  Speaker 1: almost almost. When we would ship fish out, say you
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  Speaker 1: had like fry sized perch, which would be the size
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  Speaker 1: of your finger, would put them in these contractor bags
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  Speaker 1: were probably like thirteen gallon bags go water, fish, oxygen,
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  Speaker 1: and then to seal it up to make sure none
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  Speaker 1: of those things escaped, we would use a castration band
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  Speaker 1: with the tool and slide it over the garbage bag
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  Speaker 1: or to get a good seal on the garbage. That's
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  Speaker 1: how we would close it. So we use them, maybe
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  Speaker 1: he ate a sack of fish, maybe hundreds of times
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  Speaker 1: a year. We'd use that. Hu multipurpose the job, use
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  Speaker 1: the trucks where you just pump them into the lake
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  Speaker 1: or anything like. Yeah, we we would do that if
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  Speaker 1: we had bigger fish. But this this would be an
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  Speaker 1: example where we were shipping it across the country to
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  Speaker 1: somebody else, and these would just go in FedEx trucks,
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  Speaker 1: just like all the crappy get from Amazon. Right next
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  Speaker 1: to him, Could you use castration bands to do those
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  Speaker 1: fancy silicone wedding rings you guys do? No, it's not
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  Speaker 1: like that, because it's um. I don't wear a wedding
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  Speaker 1: ring at all anymore. I mean, my wife both quit.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing about the status of our marriage. Just like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know ten years, eleven years, sto over right now.
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  Speaker 1: I lost mine. It's it's in an antelope. It's probably
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  Speaker 1: in the sky gut because I lost it gutting an
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  Speaker 1: antelope and wyoming last year and just haven't gotten around
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  Speaker 1: to getting a new one. No women have talked to me.
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  Speaker 1: Your hit on me. I'm sorry. Well, that's the thing
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  Speaker 1: that people would say, like you're supposed to you know,
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  Speaker 1: you wear a wedding ring to say like that, you
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  Speaker 1: like I have like achieved an age where Um, it's
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  Speaker 1: just not like I don't need to have like an
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  Speaker 1: outward symbol demonstrating that I'm I just smell kind of
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  Speaker 1: like I just looked taken ring to help people understand,
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  Speaker 1: I just look like just played out. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: need to ring anymore. Um, a couple of things. We've
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  Speaker 1: got cover. One last thing. Do you guys know the
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  Speaker 1: Southern writer he's he died? Did you know that the
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  Speaker 1: writer Larry Brown? Do you ever hear Larry Brown? Larry down?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what what what? What's his father and son?
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  Speaker 1: Um look up Larry when you guys wound up looking
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: up Larry Brown's. He had some stuff optioned by the
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  Speaker 1: Coen Brothers and stuff. You wrote a book called fire
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  Speaker 1: Father and Son. Some of the stuff has been made
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  Speaker 1: into movies. He was a good dude man. Um. He
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  Speaker 1: was some Oxford, Mississippi. He was a firefighter, and you
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  Speaker 1: know when you're a firefighter, you have all that time
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  Speaker 1: between calls. So he wrote facing the music, Dirty Work,
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  Speaker 1: Big Bad Love, Joe on fire Father and Son, Faye
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  Speaker 1: Billy Ray's Farm, Rabbit Factory, Miracle Catfish, That's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: fixing to talk about, and tiny love. Um he was.
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  Speaker 1: He worked at a firebarn and would write. When all
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  Speaker 1: the other guys are like working out and barbecue and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: he would like go upstairs and write. He wrote seven
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  Speaker 1: novels before he had one published. He wrote a novel.
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  Speaker 1: One of his first novels he wrote was about a
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  Speaker 1: man eating bear and Yellowstone Park, and he'd never seen
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  Speaker 1: a bear, never been to Yellowstone Park, and eventually got
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  Speaker 1: it together, like I should write about it, dude, I
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  Speaker 1: should write about like the dudes that I know here
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  Speaker 1: in Mississippi and the dudes I grew up around, and
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  Speaker 1: instead of writing about bears and parks, and whatnot. He
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  Speaker 1: started just writing about the dudes he grew up around
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  Speaker 1: and found like tremendous success. He was telling me the
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  Speaker 1: story someone mentioned that you mentioned dumping fish out of
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  Speaker 1: the truck. He was telling me one time about they
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: would have these catfish where they'd raise catfish and they'd
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: have the broodstock or like the big old calfish. It
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  Speaker 1: would produce the um to produce all the eggs now,
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  Speaker 1: and then they'd have to like let him go, and
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: people do always let him go secretly, and he had
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  Speaker 1: somehow gotten a line on where they were letting these
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  Speaker 1: old giants go, you know, it would go on fish
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  Speaker 1: for him, and then that kind of made its way
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  Speaker 1: into Ah, it made a way into his novel that
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  Speaker 1: he wrote. A couple of things touch off on. You
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  Speaker 1: should have brought your guitar, because you know why, we
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  Speaker 1: could have You could have written a diddy yeah to
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  Speaker 1: introduce because we had a we wrote it. We had
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  Speaker 1: a song written to introduce when Janice, who's not here
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  Speaker 1: right now, he's out on assignment. Um a ditty to
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  Speaker 1: introduce when Janice does. Some reporting for us would have
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  Speaker 1: have to have been about castration bands and stuff. No,
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  Speaker 1: you could have done us. You could have done it
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  Speaker 1: diddy introducing Spencer's this the diddy that just playing it.
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  Speaker 1: But the diddy that introduces Yanni's thing is like a
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  Speaker 1: little ditty. Then it goes Yanni's book report, and you
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  Speaker 1: could make a ditty that introduces when Spencer explains something
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  Speaker 1: a show segment like Spencer's Corner Ahead, Spencer, start with
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  Speaker 1: the oh you made one up? How's it go? I
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  Speaker 1: just said, uh, start with the lock shooting deal, then
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  Speaker 1: we'll get into the other stuff because you were telling
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  Speaker 1: me about that. Oh, this was just like right sent
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  Speaker 1: an hour from where we're sitting, you know, distance wise
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  Speaker 1: to to drive there, and it's just from last weekend,
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  Speaker 1: which is opener um. But there was a b m
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  Speaker 1: A which is private land that is least by the
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  Speaker 1: state for public hunting opportunity um and there were is
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  Speaker 1: reported one hundred hunters flock shooting at a group of elk,
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  Speaker 1: which is it's hard to fathom. Can I give a
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  Speaker 1: little context of how I wasn't there? And I have
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  Speaker 1: read the article, but for instance, we had a very
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  Speaker 1: early snowstorm that we had a snowstorm that hit before
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  Speaker 1: firearms season opened, and it caused a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: that would happen later to happen early. I I the
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  Speaker 1: day before that season opened, um was aware of a
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  Speaker 1: herd of two fifty turned up down in the hayfield.
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  Speaker 1: They don't normally or an alfalf feel they don't normally
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  Speaker 1: turn open. I wonder if it wasn't that a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of elt we're filling into some area that happened to
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  Speaker 1: be a black management b m A. And words started
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to spread and people are like, you know where there's
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: a bunch of them, So tell us more. Yeah. When
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and with that snowstorm, we had like two or three
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: days of record lows for most of the state, specifically,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I know Bozeman had record those. So I would imagine, Uh,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you're correct, and that these elks showed up in a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: place they normally wouldn't. We had a record high and
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: a record low within like a couple of weeks of
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: each other. When it was the record high. Wasn't there
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: a record high around that day that the fire blew up?
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: You're probably right. I think it was a record high
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: for that like the day that right around the day
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the fire blew up, there was a record high, but
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a record high just means like that day, Yeah, like
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: it was the hottest that day. Ever, that seems pretty
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: par from Montana, and I follow this uh National Weather
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Service count that always shows the high in the low
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: each day in Montana, and it's pretty awesome because there's
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: like a seventy degree difference everything. Yeah, between like hard
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and Montana, which is out east and then west Yellowstone.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: West Yellowstone is like ninetent at the time, the coldest
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: place in the state. The place. Yeah, So with these elk,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: what hundred hunters flock shooting a group of elk, fifty
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: of the elk die, Um, it had to be like
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: a pretty crazy scene, and there was an expectation that
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: it's like it's like a cliff drive. Yeah. I think
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: there was an expectation that with all this uh shooting
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: going on and wounded elk and what have you, that
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: there was just gonna be a whole bunch of tickets written.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Out of the whole thing. There were only five tickets written.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I think it was uh fifty the elk were killed,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and the citations were fairly minor. Greg Lemon said, we
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: didn't write as many tickets as you'd think. Hunters were
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: fortunate that not more elk were injured. But he went
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: on to say unethical hunting, even it strictly speaking legal,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: makes all hunters look bad. It kind of gives the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: hunting community as a whole black guy. So he was
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: he was saying, despite their only being a handful of tickets,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: this was not a good deal. It was not on
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the up and up, this flock shooting of elk, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: they said that they were certainly wounded elk that got away.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: There's just like not much as far as citations like
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: me written at this time. I've seen that on the news.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Um was it an organized effort? But that's where that
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: was my first thought, as how did they get a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: hundred people? I talked to a warden once that worked
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: a case where it was where these guys got onto
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a herd and we're texting, which is illegal. You can't
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: use two way electronic communications to coordinate. So if someone
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: was saying like hey, i'll go around this way, you
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: go around that way over text or whatever, illegal, But
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: then yet start seizing phone records and I don't know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: there's a couple of b amazed in that area that
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I would have in mind, like where this took place,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and there's like major roads that kind of run through them.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I would imagine that this happened were like a couple
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: of guys started shooting, the elk running and just like
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they happened to pass by more and more people as
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: they went. I doubt that it was like one hundred
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: people within a you know, a couple of minutes span shooting.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's probably was drawn out throughout the morning. Well, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say it, but the same longer,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, this is this is far more common
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: than than we might like to think. I saw a
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: very similar thing happened quite a few years ago. Um,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and I think kind of what happens is like these
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: these elk get pushed out onto their winter range and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: then everybody sees them, and everybody's got the same idea. Oh,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I've got the I've got the secret. I know where
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: they're at. And that that's exactly what happened. We knew
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: where a herd was, we knew where they were going
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: up into the foothills, and we hiked in up above
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: in the in the dark, and then as it was
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: getting light, you know, we're seeing all these elk down
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: in the bottom of this valley. But then there's two
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: hunters over, there's two hunters over, there's another guy coming
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: up behind them. They're just We're like, oh, well, this
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: wasn't a big secret. We everybody else figured this out too,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and they didn't really come close to us. But as
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: first light came in, people were just ripping at these things,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: like right into the herd. There's probably not seventy five elk,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I think twelve hunters and we probably heard fifty shots
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: in the first hour. And there's there's a rag horn
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: bowl that got hit in the back legs. It was
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: dragging its back legs across the field for half a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: mile and this guy is just like ripping shots at
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: eight hundred yards and miss miss miss miss. It was.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: It was awful, man, it was the It was the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: worst thing I've ever seen in the field. And we
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: just like we got out of there, mostly because like
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: people were shooting our direction, We're trying to get out,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and I mean, if I don't like hunting around other
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: hunters in general, but like it was, it was appalling.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: You gotta one of the things you gotta think about
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: when that happens is for each individual just being present,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you can't like condemn someone for being present because like
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you said, they like noticed a good play for opening morning,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and so what are they supposed to like back out
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: because other people notice the same thing. But then I
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: guess the part that you're the actual part would be
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: like if you're shooting into a ball and when they
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: get scared, they start to ball up when you're shooting
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: into a ball of something, I mean, that's then that
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: becomes the questionable thing. But just the fact that like
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people showed up and you were there too,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Like you can't like damn someone for that. Yeah, And
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: this area where I was in is is is like
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: in the Montana hunting culture is known for this near Anaconda.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: People call him Anna Commandos, that that guy that guys
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: will like group hunt these these elk herds on their
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: on their winter range. So I think a lot of
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: this stuff happens every year, maybe not on this scale,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: but I mean cal just sent me a story out
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of Washington where they like finally caught these guys who
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: would chase elk with chase elk with trucks and in
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a very coordinated fashion. My buddy, my late friend Eric
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Current was hunting the bridges one time, and he was
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: looking down and watched on an opening day, watched guys
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: come out with trucks and corral and heard elk and
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: kill a bunch of them. And he wouldn't call, he
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: wouldn't report it. Yeah, apparently apparently locals knew knew about this,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: knew about these guys for years and years. Um, But
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: there are some kind of prominent ranchers in the group,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and it was on private ground. But apparently it was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: some some out of towners who reported it who didn't
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: have like the the local repercussions. But I got in
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: touch with the word and about that, I'm thinking about
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: running down that story writing it for the site. Pretty interesting, Spencer,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You ought to, Um, do you mind calling and getting
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a hold of that that landowner and asking if he
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: was asking if he was like great, because a lot
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of guys don't want elk keating their crops. She's like, yeah, man, good,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that's not a big area. It's probably easy to track down. Like,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I would love to hear his perspective on it. Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: He might be like I got no problem with it,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: or he might be like, dude, I'm not doing this anymore.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: My brother is involved in a He's involved in the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: effort and runs this effort to uh thank to to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to like appreciation days for people ranchers who enroll in
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: black management. So he's found that the thing people need
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it's expensive and and like much appreciator calf shelters. So
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: he puts his efforts into the raising money to buy
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: cap or whatever else people need. But in certain areas
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: it's like an expensive thing that people really want or
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: much appreciated. He tries to buy cat. He raises money
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to buy calf shelters to give to ranchers who enroll
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: in black management, and then they throw a party for
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: people to come out, and they try to entertain them,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: feed them and give them door prizes and gifts in
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: order to help encourage that guy might need a little
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: morale boost. Well yeah, and that's guys might need a
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: couple of calf shehild because that's a great thing to do.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Man and and and the block. The number of acres
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: enrolled in block management has been declining in recent years,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and I know that hunter behavior is one of the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: leading reasons that people will pull land out of that program.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So anything hunters can do to to thank folks who
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: let them on their property is huge and I always
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: always try to try to send a thanks, give some
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: meat or whatever you can do, because it's it's you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: it's it's a huge benefit to the to the public. Steve.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I thought in the past, you've predicted how you will
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: someday die. Was it heart disease that you said that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you your prediction was, well, yeah, because the number one
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: killer of people in my age was opioid overdose. You
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: know maybe that So I'm gonna segue now. I'm segueing
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: now into the heart disease there, like because people you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: like making sausage. Last night we were answering like common
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: sausage questions. It was like, what about nitrates and nitrates
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: something like, dude, put a little pink salt into some
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: corned elk. I just like, that's not like when I die.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: They're not the doctor, the medical Examiner's not gonna be
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: like was he putting pink salt in his corn dollar.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: It's just not gonna be what happens. There's a bonus
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: bit of reporting in this great false Tribune article. This
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: is related to the elk. Yeah, yeah, that they snuck
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: into the last paragraph heart attack author, I have many
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: questions about it, says Meager County under Sheriff Jeremy WESTR. Mar.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: It's pronounced mar. You say that Mark I butchered that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Then little Montana history Thomas Mary that I was calling
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it meager for you, you need to look into into
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: into Thomas Mar. He Uh he was one of the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: man like first politicians in Montana. But his death was
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: really like mysterious. He got like thrown off a paddle
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: boat in the Missouri Uh like I no, like, uh
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: what do he called? He wasn't doing stand up paddle board? No,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you know, like the paddle paddle barges that they take.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Is that the calling the right thing? Paddle boat? But yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: stand up pad paddle boat? Yeah yeah, But he's fascinating character.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: There's a bar in Missoula called the Thomas Mar Bar. Yeah.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So that's yeah. M e A g h e er
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: no idea big for two years and then you fixed
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: your system. Who corrected you when you lived in that county?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, my I'm on I'm
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: on Yellowstone Street in town and one black over. You
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: weren't mispronouncing that Meager Street or or mar Stream, So
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: whenever I would drive by, there's probably a time I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, with a with a friend in
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the car who knew better saying, oh yeah, you just that.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Oh there's Meager Street and you go down there, like,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: what do you mean Meager? Look at the sign M
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: E A G h R And they're like her in Sweetheart,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that's just not right. Let me let me let me
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: hit you real quick with his his history, because it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: way crazier than I was suggesting. Um. He was an
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Irish nationalist leader of Young Irelanders. Um in a rebellion
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in eight convicted of sedition and sent to Tasmania. And
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: then he escaped Tasmania and got to the United States.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: You know what this guy like the pull of cord. Yeah, yeah,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and uh then joined in the American Civil War, rose
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to the rank of brigadier general. You know what that means,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: brigadier general. No, that's what Custer was. It means that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: all the generals are getting killed off and you and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: you gotta make like temporary general appointments. Ah, And I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't tracking. Yeah, if I'm reading, I'm reading about he
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: was appointed two as the Secretary of State of Montana
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of Montana Territory and eventually became the territorial governor. But
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: he uh yeah it was. He drowned in eighteen sixty
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: seven after falling from a steamboat and Fort Benton. The
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: cause of his death is disputed by historians, with various
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: hypotheses including weakness from dysenterry, intoxication, suicide, or murder m HM.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Timothy Egan wrote and wrote a wrote a book about him.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Really ye before he started hit it big damn the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: drinking Man's bio man um. That's great. So the mar
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: County undership. So you're talking about the article that he
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: got served below this article or they worked in the art.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: They just work it into the end. I mean it's
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it's like not really relevant, but it's like interesting. And
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: this is what I have more questions about than the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: flock shooting. Elk Mark County under Sheriff Jeremy West said
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: one of the hunters in the group later died from
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: a heart complication that was unrelated to the incident. The
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: person's name was not immediately released. That had to add
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: like chaos on chaos out there. Where do they threw
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: it in though it wasn't related? Are you sure, But
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I imagine like somebody who was maybe also in that
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: area but like didn't wasn't aware of what was going on.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe like so an ambulance or an airlifted or like
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a helicopter. They're clarifying for people, and maybe I assume
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: so because that had to like add questions to this
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: whole event. And then they're like, oh, someone got shot. Yeah,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: you gotta make some calls, man, you gotta do some
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: investigative journalism. But now now I'm hung up on Thomas Marr.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: That into your sure that that trumps the rest of this.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I think, all right, we gott let's move on quick.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: So what we got get to get to our guests.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: We've got two things we got covered. So just recently
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: we had an episode, what was that episode called Oh
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: good good people for a good Country. We talked about
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: how utahns Is that what you would say, are Utah
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: is a trial that the team, Yeah, that's what Utah
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: is named after. It though, is that trap? But I'm
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be completely wrong. I believe it is Utahn's um
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: at at the election have a ballot measure, and it's
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: whether or not to encode to codify the right to
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: hunting fish in Utah. And we were talking about when
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: we were covering this piece of news with the guests
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: from Utah, who's who who introduced this bill for the state?
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: We're talking about where does this Where do the things
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: find their teeth? Like, let's say a state has a
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: state right to hunting fish. They have a constitutional right
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to hunting fish, Like what does that mean? Like where
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: does the rubber meet the road on that? Just so
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: happens that, Um, we now have the first lawsuit in
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: this state. This is you know, this is local news
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: for us, but national news for everybody else. I think
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it's fair to say because for the first time someone's
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: doing a suit suing the state, the governor, fishing Game,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: various people using the right to hunt and fish as
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: their argument. What they're doing is there's a conservation group.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: What's the name of that group? Idin't heard of them.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I kind of like them though. Outdoor Heritage Coalition, the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Outdoor Heritage Coalition is suing the state governor and Fishing
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Game Office and others under the right to hunting fish thing.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: They're suing the state for putting for putting what they
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: regard as being too conservative of a quota around the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: wolf harvest. It's infringing on the right to hunt fish
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: because wolves are decimating elk numbers in these areas. So
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: they're saying, by you putting an unnecessary cap on the
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: killing of overpopulated wolves, you are infringing on our right
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to hunting fish because you're allowing all of our game
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: to get decimated, which is sly buying it. Are they
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: even reaching quotas currently for wolves? I mean, I felt
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: like that was like I felt like the bottleneck for
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: wolf reduction was hunter effort because they're hard as hell
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to kill. Yeah, it was easy for a couple of minutes,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: then it got hard. Yeah, they got smart and they
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: have huge, uge territories and they're just slide bastards. You
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: rarely see them just telling you what to do a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: follow up report. That's interesting, But I bring it up
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: only because, um, we're talking about when does it When
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: does the when does like, if you have the right
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to hunt fish, when does that actually even become a
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: like it's like, Okay, that's all good and fine, but
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: where is it exercised? And so this is an example
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of someone trying to exercise it. Uh, Sam, just pull
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: up a little map showing um, a map shows which
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: states have a constitutional right to hunt fish. If you're
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: into conspiracy theories, I think you should explore the fact.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I would explore the fact that the states when you
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: look at a US map were the states that have
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Do you like how they put it in red? Yeah?
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: What how do they use for when you don't gray? No?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: What's California? That's for legislation on constitutional right to hunting
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: fish is pending? Oh? I like it that they put
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: red as you have the right to hunt fish, get
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: for it is the only blue one. There's also a
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Rhode Island, but that so it's it's California. Is good
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: because it's pending, but they'll never anyhow. This is three
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: years old, so that was probably If you're in a
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories though, you might want to look at this
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: map because the states that have a right to hunting
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: fish form a circle. Let me see Sam with a
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: hole in the middle. Huh. I think there's something to
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: be delved into there that's not accidental. What are the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: two gray ones r out there in the middle. Yeah,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: that's what he's talking about. That's that's South Dakota, Iowa
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Missouri and Illinois. So good, lefty anti Illinois don't have
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the right to hunt? Those are big Well, the constitutional right,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: you know that there's there's the right to hunt and
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: fish in all of these states, but some some states
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: have have chosen to say that it's like, you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: it's a god given right that you can that you
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: can hunt and fish. Which yeah, I'm I've always been
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: interested to know, like where the rubber meets the road.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: They're like, like, how you use it? Yeah, So I mean,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: if if that were to pass in California, like the
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: only thing that comes to mind is how California, you know,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: banned for trapping even with that, Well here's here. This
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: sound constitutional even in a hard hit and hunting in
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: fishing state like Utah. Um. He they didn't put trapping
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: on there because they don't want to muddy the waters
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: and lose popularity. But he said, it's actually it's there's
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: an implication there. It's like implied the cover trapping and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: should be used. But if you put trapping on there
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to lose support, that's interesting. That's where you got to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: use it to because because this says that Montana has
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: a constitutional right to hunting fish which I did not know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: but I mean it makes sense. But yeah, there's that
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: legislation introduced like every time to ban trapping on public land.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: So I wonder where that where that falls because they're
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: too chicken to put trapping on there. Dude, I'm gonna
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: once I get done fighting hunters or laws and get
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the whole everything reduced to just the hunter's orange hat
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: is all you need. I'm gonna take up right to trap.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. Uh, what else do we want to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: talk about? That? Not much to say about that. Um,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: if you're in Colorado and you were one of the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: what I'm predicting to be you were one of the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: minority of people who voted against making the state draw
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: up a wolf reintroduction plan, I applaud you because they're
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: arriving on their own. They're there now anyway. That's the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: path to take. That's the path to take. So thank you,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: even though I'm sure you lost. Uh, one last thing, guys,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: are you okay? I'm good? One last thing? Okay, hit it, Spencer,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, we need the introe thing, the lasting I
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: don't remember. Oh, speaking of suing people, how's that for
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: a segue? I get I sent you the article to
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: do a little report on it. Oh, I I don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: have anything to re point. You're gonna be able to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: produce a better report than I. Okay. One of the things,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: um right now, I'm extremely uh disheartened with the Trump
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: administration over their decision to lift roadless rules in Tongas
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and open up like half of Tongas National Forest to
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: logging and road building. That's a pisser. But what I
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: have been applauding them for is opening up a bunch
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: of US wildlife refuges where appropriate, opening up hunting and
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: fishing on a bunch of US wildlife refuges and fish
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: hatchers and stuff, so creating more acreage for Americans to
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: hunt and fish. The Center for Biological Diversity is suing
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: them so that they can't trying to stop that from
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: happening under the Endangered Species Act, which I'm interested to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: see that complaint because they didn't open it up to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: hunting endangered species. That's the thing I think that these
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: people haven't read the I think that the Center for
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Biological Diversity hasn't read up on what it is. I
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: had to like, Oh, they're gonna start hunting endangered species.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: They can't do that. It's like, no, they're not gonna
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: start hunting dangered species. They're allowed to hunt the normal
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: ship that everybody gets to hunt per state rules on
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: refuges where it makes sense, which you can already do
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: in a bunch of them. Anyway, it opens up an
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: additional three thousand six square miles. You can hunt shiploads
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: of refuge land already. It's opening up some additional ones.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And they assume as though this is one of those
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: groups that like, there are a lot of things. One
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: of the things they are is an anti hunting organization.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Every you will never I challenge a listener to send
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: me a thing where the Center for Biological Diversity hasn't
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: taken a knee jerk reaction against hunting. No, that's what
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: they do. But they're like when I tell friends, oh,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: it's like ANNI hunting group. Oh no, they're not, like, Okay,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: there they are. It's not there like mission. But they
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: emerge as a nitpicky, like a very nitpicky like yeah,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: any issues, like let me guess, let me guess, let
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: me guess. They're gonna be uh. Their stands will be
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: antagonistic to the interests of hunters and fishermen. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Is there any national fish hatchery that you can hunt on? Well,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: there's not that I've ever done. But I know there's
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: some fish hatcheries that have some sizeable holdings, and it
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be in there if it wasn't. I haven't looked
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: at I haven't looked at the fish hatchery component. Yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: there's probably some fish hatchery that's got a couple of
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: thousand akers. One man, there's some giant ones in Washington
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be wouldn't be at all surprised to
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: know that hunting was allowed and totally would fit in
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: with the management now fishing the fish hatchery. That could
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: be good well in Washington, in Washington, That's the whole point.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I got another one. You're always people are always piled
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: up right around the hatchery hole. We used to call
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: it the There's one particular one we called the crack
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: pipe because there's just this one cast that you wanted
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to make because all these steel head would pull in
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: right below the outflow of the hatchery because they get that,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: they get that sent you know that they come back
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: to and you can you had if you could make
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: this one tricky cast up into into the concrete outflow
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: of the hatchery. You would catch your steel head nearly
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, I'm probably really excited about it. Yeah. Yeah,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So a bit more on this than we're gonna wrap
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: this up. So the in this country we have in
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the in the US of A, we have five d
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and fifty wildlife refuges. Um this this move this additional
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: three thousand, six hundred square miles. We'll bump it up
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to where you can now hunt on four thirty refuges
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: fourty of the five fifty, you can fish on three
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: hundred sixty of the five fifty. Has implications for people
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: in thirty seven states. I think it's a common misconception
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: in in then in the public sphere that wildlife refugees
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: exclude hunting. I mean, and and honestly, the the naming
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: isn't isn't that great? You know, it seems like a
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: ref refuge where animals can go flee from US horrible
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: hunters or something where they flee from development. Yeah. Absolutely,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: And and I've I've corrected people on this tons of
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: times that like this is this is a habitat refuge,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: this is this is undeveloped land. This is, but it's
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: it's it's meant for the it's meant for people's enjoyment.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And there are I mean, how like half of Alaska's
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: National wildlife refuges. I mean not half, but like giant,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: giant portions, and all of it's wide open to hunting.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: So I think I think there's I think there's a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: broad misunderstanding that we could correct. Uh, you know, in
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the in the public, that that hunting is a is
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: an important management tool on our national wildlife refuge system.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: You know where I bet I'll be allied with the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Center for Biological Diversity. I bet you I could guarant
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: damn t they're annoyed about the Tongas ruling. I'm certain
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: they are. So maybe me, maybe we can find a
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: little friendship and hug over that. Here's a question for you,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Cody Cannon Whiskey Myers's gonna don't tell crant I asked
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you this. I'm not asking you what any songs mean,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: But why is it offensive that people ask you what
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: a song means? No, I didn't say it was offensive.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: We were talking about yeah, but I don't want to
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: know what they mean. But why does that bother you
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: because I would feel no, no, go ahead, yeah no.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: We were just talking about how people take how you
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: can ride a song and people, I'm I wrote it,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and I think it means one thing. You got a
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: different idea of what it meant because it meant something
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: different to you. You you know, it's all different, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I think there's some magic in that. I think that's me.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Don't ask that question. And it's like, nah, yeah, I
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: want to. I want to come with you now. They're like,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: when I hear this, it gives me this feeling of
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I said, my brother a song, that's that's that's cooler.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: It's like abstract art. Yeah, it's like it's it's a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: n eyes older and it could be so far out
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: and left field and you're like, yeah, but it means
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that to them, And like, what did I say? I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: said it was like when you read a book and
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you have a character in your mind and you see
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the movie and they don't look anything like that. It's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like the same thing. It's like, it's like you ever
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: watched the movie The Road. Yeah, in the end, yeah,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Corn McCarthy's The Road in the end, it's you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: a little boys dad dies and he wanders out to
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: your road and gets picked up. This guy Cort McCarthy
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: describes him in the book as being like he looks
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: like he survived many skirmishes and anyways, the dude in
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the end of the movie, I'm like, that's not who
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: that is. I was like, I had that's way off
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the image I built with very little information. See I
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: read that book after reading the movie or after watching
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the movie. So so yeah, so, which I hate, which
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I hate doing because then the movie informs it because
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: then and then you don't have there's less creativity going
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: in on the reader's perspective. That's a really job. I
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: like that answer. I was expecting to be annoyed by
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: your answer. That's a great answer. I don't hate it,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: but it was just like I like it to be
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: open into interpretation, especially on some songs. I don't have
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: any specific ones in mind, but you know, people get different,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: different ideas, and I think that's cool. Well, I was
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: telling him this morning that that his song frog Man
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: must be about fishing frog baits or bass. That's what
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: that's what it means to me. And ain't when nobody's
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: gonna tell me different. What did you hear. In response,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: he said, huh, I sent my brother, Uh you're here.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Uh Sturgell Simpson cover that song when you Need a Friend. Yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the promise, Yeah, the promise. Yeah, I said to my brother.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: And he wrote me back saying how it reminded him
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: of his first dog. It felt like it was about
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: or reminded him of his first dog dying exactly exactly.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, you can't say, well, that's not
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: what it's about by a guy. Yeah, it's cool to say.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I know people want to hear that sometimes, but sometimes
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: it's like I just let it, just let it be,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: you know, especially like before the album comes out, we'll
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: do a lot of questions and stuff and they'll be
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: like I want you to explain each song and stuff
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: like that. It's like, nah, but that feels so reductive
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: it right, And it's like, tell me, tell me literally
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: what the thing is, so that this is how I'm
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: supposed to think and about it instead of having your
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: own relationship to hearing your music. Yea thousand percent, that's
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that's what That's what I meant. Um do you are
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: you able to share with fans and listeners, like if
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: they say here's what I think about when I hear it. Um,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: do you then have do you then refrain from saying
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: that's great? Um? I love it. You're right, here's what
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I was thinking. Or do you not even do that?
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: You'd pulling the Trump card? No, yeah, it's just I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: don't remember. I probably different responses to it. But it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: it's cool. Whatever they think are more than that. They
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: would probably ask ask you like, hey, what does this mean?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And that's cool, you know, but you know, not necessarily
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: in like an interview telling everybody what it's supposed to me.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Did that mean that? It's like, no, it was actually
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: about this. It's like a little bit different. So that's
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: how I would do that. I see your colleague here
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: as a Stones tattoo. Oh yeah, did you get that
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: after the show? Got it? Literally? I got it in
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Seattle that day. Yeah, after we we played Immigrant here
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: in Montana. I was at that show, went to went
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to Soldier Field, played that, and then we startled back
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: around to Seattle at the I guess the Neptune and
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: then I got it there. Chris introduced herself, Um, Chris Poe, uh,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: content creator for Whiskey Myers, that that was a big
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: deal on when it was it cool too. When you
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: guys tell people little bit about that you want up
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: having sort of uhum, a sort of endorsement of sorts
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: from the Stones. Yeah. Just uh we got to open
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: up a show for them at Soldier Field in Chicago. Uh.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: And it's just one of those things that's, like they say,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: once in a lifetime, that's like a never in a
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: laf thing. Uh. And you know they they pick and
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: a and a proved. I think Mick does all the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: all the bands that get to open for them, So
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: just to be able to do that was really special. U.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: That's a there were a huge influence, uh to me
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: personally in the band. Also, you know, it's one of
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: my favorite bands, if not my favorite band. Yeah. How
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: could the best stuff about America be written by some
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: British dudes? Hey, but they were at Yeah, but they
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: understood America way better than Americans. Well, they were trying
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: to sing the blues man and they love blues and
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: country music and it come from America, come from the South.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: It's really interesting you think that they were like you
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: think they had lived like six lifetimes in America. Yeah. Yeah,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: they're great. Um. Put it this way, like Jamie, our
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: bass players said, we're talking about how how cool you
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: know it would be. He was like, we could go
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and play Soldier Field and sell it out and it
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: still wouldn't be as cool as playing, yeah, as opening
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: for the Relling Stones that Soldier Field. So it was
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: it was great. Which one of your bandmates is laid
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: up right now from crashing a YouTube from crashing the
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: side by side? What's that all about? That's John Man
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: and you guys were hot dogging, not hot dogging. I
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't there, You weren't even present. Now, he definitely was.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: John's always kind of been reckless with the NATV. Look
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: close to you, I said, John has always been reckless
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: with an ATV. So he was definitely hot dog And
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: it was definitely And who's this now, John? What was
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: he play? His name is John Jeffers. He's a guitar player.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: So tell what happened. It was in the pursuit of game.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: He was running down a herd out. He was literally
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: he went to go cut one doughnut from a dead
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: stop and he rolled it and uh, and he didn't
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: have a seat built on watch Poke was actually with
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: him and he was buckled in, Thank goodness. So he
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: they Polk said they rolled three times. John said they
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: rolled once. We don't really know, so nobody saw it
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: except for them, but there's a dispute about whether it
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: was three roles or one role. Yeah. So okay, he's
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: out of stand still and he's like, let's cut a
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: cookie for no reason. He was on one of these
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: like jacked up like it was. It's a polarish racer.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: It's like this big, jacked up kind of top heavy
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: top vehicles and it's very powerful. So he just gunned
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: it and when he did, it just completely flipped over.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: And I don't think he definitely didn't think it would
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: do that. It did. It was pretty serious. Actually, he
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: has fine. He has fine by the way, he'll be.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: He's gonna make a full recover. He's good. He's very good.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Uh what's your what's your guys connection? Um, Like, how
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: did you get into hunting and fishing? Were you in
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the hunting fishing before music? Yeah? Way before? So talk
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: through that, like you're like, I kind of like to
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: hunting fish, but I kind of like music, Yeah, I would.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Music was so foreign to me. I always it was. Yeah,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I mean I liked it. I loved you know music,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: you listen to music, your parents listen to music as
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a kid, but nobody what your parents listen to, um,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: you know, scannered, Mike Williams Jr. Alan Jackson, stuff like
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: the typical stuff like that you're throwing Alan Jackson with
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Skinner and well, yeah, I would say, yeah, that would
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: that would probably have been like the boys. They would
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: have you know, like some you know, old rock, old country,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: and then they would have been listening to like the
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: current stuff. That was a good job that. I don't
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: know why I question that. Yeah, that all makes sense.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: You're conveying like a variety yeah, rather than a style
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: of Yeah for sure, because we have a lot of variety.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I think told you I'm thirty five, um so yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: But playing music was kind of foreign to me because
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: nobody in my immediate immediate family really played music or
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: instruments or anything like that or wherever in a band.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: But we always fished in hunt. So if you would
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: asked like that my younger self, I would have thought
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: it would have been what would you do when you
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: grow up? I would probably be like, Oh, I'm a
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: fishing hunt, not playing music, And then that just did
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: you poor? Yeah, we weren't super poor, but I would say,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: you know, middle class or lower middle class, like my
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: mom cut hair and my dad worked it. You know,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: it was like a prison guard, so that's not super
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: lucrative jobs. But anything, how did how did your dad
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: handle being a prison guard? Was he did he get
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: that kind of like anger or was he? No? Well
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: he was cool? Where from? Not that? Not that that's
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: not cool what I'm saying like that, that's a taxing job.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: I guess what I'm getting at. Yeah, it can be,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: because yeah, they have to deal with a lot of
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: crazy stuff. But where we're from, that's like I think,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: like everybody in my family worked at the prison because
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: there's like seven prisons outside of our area, and so
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: when you're from our area, you either leave or you
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: work for Walmart or the prison system. And so we're
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: from Palestine, Texas around around there. I'm actually from Nature's
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: which is about ten miles, uh, fifteen miles outside of Palestine,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: which is just in East Texas. You two grew up
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: to go to, right, Chris, Yeah, we did. Yeah, we
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: grew up playing playing baseball when we were young, since
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: we were probably four or five, so that's kind of
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: how we that's kind of how we met. And then
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: bass fishing was always real big for us whenever we
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: were growing up, and like our our dads would take
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: their vacations around, like when we were on spring break
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and we would go to Lake fok and for years. Yeah,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: it's awesome. I want to hear. I want to hear
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: you tell the audience about about your thoughts on eating bass.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I said, it's a sin. Yeah, you know, people get all,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: you know, touchy about that and and I don't, you know,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: if if that's what you want to do, I don't care.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me. But I always throw them back,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: you know. But you have you ever eaten a large both?
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I'm sure I have when I was younger,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: but not recently or anything. So you guys knew each
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: other at four or five and I was and you
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: were already fishing. Fishing was in your family's Yeah, you
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: guys have do you guys have boats and stuff? Back then?
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: He's like bank fisherman. Yeah, my dad had an old
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: champion that we look like, rigged out for bad. Yeah.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I never had a boat until I was older, so
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: it was just pond hopping unless I got to go
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: with like with y'all or like some of my dad's
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: friends or something. But yeah, fishing and hunting. I mean
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: this hell we grew up. That was just in our DNA.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: It's just it's like breathing. Did you guys eat I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: know you didn't eat those bass, but you guys grew
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: up eating eating game and stuff from the family tar duck,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: some fish, yeah, cropping stuff like that dove. And then
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: but your your parents split up when you were young? Yes, yeah,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: how did that play out? Um? Impact you? How did
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: that impact your interests and whatnot? Um? As far as
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: fishing and stuff that. I mean, it was still the
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: same for me. But my mom remarried, uh my stepdad
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: now and he was super big hunter and so we
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: actually hit it off and we've been like best friends
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: ever since when we would go. So that wasn't wasn't
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the problem. Yeah, that it didn't affect that at all. Yeah,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I think a lot about I don't want to spend
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of time on this, but I think a
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: lot about if I was the past way all of
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: a sudden, um heart disease, Like let's say I died
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: right now, addiction. It's that odied right now on opioids.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what I rather my wife wound up with
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: a dude like my brother or something. Right, they're married,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: but let's say like some dude like basically exactly like me?
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Or would I rather she wound up with some dude
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: way different? Yeah, not near as cool, just way different,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Like which is uh, which is more palatable for me? Oh?
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think about that. If it
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: was a dude way different, I'd be like, uh, boy ah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: we must have been way mismatched or something. It was
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: a dude just like me, I'd be like, oh sleep,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: So I like the basic parameters were okay. So yeah,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: so she wound up like with another hunter? Yeah, did
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you have to? Did you feel like if you if
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: you're growing up and you have a stepdad and a
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: dad and they both to go hunting? Yah? Was there?
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Did that create like jealousy and stuff with your dad? No?
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I was real fortunate. Uh, there was never any animosity.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody got along and they still get along in my family,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: So I know that it wasn't a bad thing where
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: you know, the sad hates that sad or anything like that.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: That's one thing I would not be able to stomach. Dude, Yeah,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: some other guy taking my kid. Oh yeah, everything was Yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: They always got along and stuff, which is good. You
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: know you had Chris, you had the same situation, right, absolutely. Yeah. Well,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: our parents actually got a divorce around the same Our
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: dad's roommates there for a while, so I kind of
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: lived together when we were in sixth grades. Pretty much.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: You guys really stuck together. All of us really known
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: each other in the band for the most part forever.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: We're just all from the same area. We grew up together.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: You know, what's it like? Uh, now that you're you know,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: you're you've had some I have not had having success
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and kind of like doing this thing that isn't on
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: the radar people you grew up around. Is it challenging?
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Is it like that you lost your way and you're
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: not one of us anymore? Like is that kind of
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: stuff going? I don't know. I don't not to our
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: face at least. Um, we haven't changed very much. We're
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: kind of the same. I mean, obviously we're older and
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: been around the world. See changed at a little bit,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: but I keep my blinders on. It sounds fake, but
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: it's real. I mean we all do like I don't
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: care about any of it. I just go out and
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: do my do my thing. Um, you kind of have
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a reputation for I want to
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: get back to how you got into music, so don't
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: forget that, but you have a you have a reputation
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: as uh kind of playing by your own rules a
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, and being a leary of not antagonistic
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: tour but maybe leary of shy about into street stuff
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: like maintaining control and all that. Do you feel that
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: that's kind of Is that like an artistic thing or
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: is that like a thing from growing up how you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: grew up. I'd say both. Um, yeah, well, I mean
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: we just wanted to do our own thing. We wanted
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: to play our own music. Some people get into music,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I think, and they want to be famous, you know,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: they don't care. They want to be famous. Um, there's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. But I don't think anybody in
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: our band had that ever in mind. It was like,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: that's what you did. We played music. We're in a
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: band now, that's what we do. And it was important
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: for us to have our own style and have our
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: own control. And I think that probably has to a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: little bit to do with your upbringing bringing her being
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit you know, ignorant redneck. Now hell with that,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it my own way. Uh, but that
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: was very important. It's still important to us. So that's
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: why we've never signed any record deals or anything. We've
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: always been independent and we always want to be I
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: think I do. I don't. It's like, why the hell
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: do I want a boss? Do you do? You feel
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of calls about signing record deals we had,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: we've had, we'd have have had opportunities and stuff like that,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: and we just it's just not for us, you know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: especially with the band like us, we were a little different.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: You know, we don't fit a certain genre, a certain style,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: and I don't think they would even know what to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: do with this. What was genre would you like self
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: identify with if you if you had I don't even
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: like genures. I think I think that's just like a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: thing for selling. It should makes it easier for people
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: to put it in a box and sell it, you know,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: for marketing and stuff. Uh. I'm not big on genres
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: because like all the stuff that I like musically, had
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: so much like for the Stones, for example, Like they
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: wrote some of the best country songs every blues it
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: was rock and roll. It was popping, says my favorite
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: country band's rock band. Yeah, skinnered so many different influences,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: even stuff like Whalon Jennings and stuff that was rock
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: and roll to those people back then in the country scene.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: So I was always a big fan of people who
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: did different stuff. Isn't it funny with like Whalen that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: if you read about Whalen now people are like, I
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: hate country except for that Whalen Jennings. And when Whalings
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Jennings time, it was like, hey country, yeah exactly. It's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: really like the you know, uh, I should tell you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: this about genres. It's kind of this interesting story. Uh.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: When I was in school, I took this class called
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: the Literature of natural History, and you read everything from
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: you know, like Henry David Throw, you know, like Walden
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: and shipped all the way up into a book about
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: what it's called like bioengineering or something basically how engineers
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: can look at cobwebs and and make structural you know,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: like Honeycomb would give you like ideas about how to
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: make structural design. Okay, and you know This guy that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: taught this class was hank I. Wish I could remember
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: his last name. He died. Him and his wife both
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: drowned in a canoeing accident. Um shortly after I took
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: that class. They had a cabinet on an island. We're
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: paddling out there and flipped and died. But it brings
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: up an interesting thing with the genre question, because he
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: was really interested in this idea of natural history writing,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: and he would find that these books that he loves
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: so much were hard for people to locate and hard
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: to identify. And as an example, he would go into
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: a bookstore and find, like books that should be together,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: we're scattered all around. And he actually contacted the Library
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: of Congress where they come up with like the numerical
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: systems so identify books. He contacted the Library Congress and said,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: you guys have a problem where you're not seeing what
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: makes these books like the same, and you need to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: find a way for bookstores and other people to like
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: draw these parallels between these this type of literature. And
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: then they actually invited him down. He did like a
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: sabbatical and went down to design a to design a
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: genre of literature. And you might instinctively like hate that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but in some way like helps people
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: locate things. Yeah, it definitely, Um, it does for sure,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: But just up from the artistic side, I don't like
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: to I would guess to answer that question, it would
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: be kind of rock and roll country, M and blues
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: would be that. I think our three main influence type thing.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: That would be the best. But as far as like
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: putting a lane on it, I don't think I could
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: put a you know, a specific genre. I know you didn't.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: You didn't say red dirty country, but I imagine you've
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: had some dealings like with that industry. What red red
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: dirt country? Oh? Um, I don't you guys do a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: better job than me. Yeah, so I guess that would
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: be kind of a sub genre. Um, very hard, very
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: popular in Texas, which tes in Oklahoma and the Midwest
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and a lot of those guys
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: it's the same. It's kind of rock and it's kind
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: of country. It's just it kind of takes everything a
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: lot similar to like Americana. It's kind of like that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: from the outside, like red dirt country is a lot
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: more wholesome and it's real and it's not like mainstream country,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: which is like super fake and sellouts and stuff. Is
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: that these don't think mainstream country is wholesome? Is that
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the reality though, that like red dirt country is what
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: it seems and it's like it's not like mainstream country
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: or or do they like have the same kind of
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: bullshit that you'd expect. Um, Well, any time you get
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: into anything at all, there's a little bit of bullshit,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: But no, I think it's very honest, kind of pure
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: still um And a lot of those guys, especially when
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: we were younger, like the Jason Bowlands and the rag
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Weeds and reckless Kelleys and stuff like that, they were
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: they were they were different, you know, And so I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: think I don't know if they necessarily I don't know
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: exactly how the name got it, you know, where it
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: comes from. I'm sure people even know, you know, older
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: than them. I'm not sure about that, but I know
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: it's you know, called that now. But yeah, it was
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: just kind of the independent mindset, you know. But but
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: like for somebody who likes redder country, they can continue
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: to like it because it is like what it seems, right,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: It's not like yeah for sure good. Yeah, there's some
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: bands I don't know if you know, I get I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: get Kelly. I'm saying like when you say like not
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: what you can fill, I don't get it. It's it's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: not like Luke Brian, Kenny Chesney folks like that. You're
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: saying like sometimes in mainstream you're getting a product that's
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: not even controlled by the artist, that's really put together
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: and not even them. It is independent and it's whether
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: whatever that band sounds like it is actually realistically them.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: And I think I think yeah, like like Luke Brian
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: would talk about shooting bucks, Copenhagen, pickup trucks, stuff like that, right,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: somebody probably wrote that because you think someone was like, hey,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: here's some keywords. But like red Dirk Country is just
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: like like I said, I don't know a little more honest,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: what if they talk then they actually cheat Cogen? Oh
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: you think you might not like the cope, right, But
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious about, uh, you know what, what
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: what is going through the minds of artists or non
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: artists when they feel more comfortable defining themselves within a
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: genre and what it is you feel like you might
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: be bucking up against or not wanting to accept when
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: people like are trying to are you this and this?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Do you hit this category in this? Like what is that?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: What does that feel like for you? And sometimes you
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: can just listen to an artist and you say, yeah,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: that's a rock and roll band, that's what it is.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: You can say, oh, that's country, that's straight up country,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: you know Cody Jinks great, pure country, that's country, you
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: know where somebody like us, I mean one song might
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: be country and the next songs like like mud and
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: we're we're like gout see or something almost thrashing. So
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: that's where it would be hard for me to do
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: that because we do kind of go all over the place,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: And so I don't think you could say it's country
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: or rock and roll it would you say, that's that's
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: more authentic to like how you feel in a day
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: and a song expresses like a mood and then it
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: expresses and you can that that you're just expressing as
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: a band all these kind of different Yeah. I think
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: we just had a bunch of influences and we decided
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: to play whatever the hell we wanted to, And so
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that's kind of why it's like that when we saw
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: you guys um at the Old Saloon and Immigrant last summer.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I know, me and all my friends were a little
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: bit taken aback because I think I think you had
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: you know, you're some of your allids have have become
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit more more prominent and popular and you know,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: really beautiful, really really captivating. But you guys rocked out
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: way harder than we are especially expecting. Yeah, and so
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: it we're we're going there expecting more more of like
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: a more of like a full you know, country kind
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: of show, and it was a full on rock show. Yeah,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: especially live at it. Yeah, we lack to rock. It's fun,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: especially for the lab things. People gravitate towards the ballads
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: and slow songs. That's just people. People like sad songs.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: That's just kind of There's even a song I like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: called said songs. Yeah. I think I've heard that we
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: read sad songs. Yeah. Um, it's true. It's a true statement. Man,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: people dig sad songs. It's like, oh, you want a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: sad song? Do you call this song sad songs? Um?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: What percentage? And I'm not gonna ask you what any
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: ship means, but what percentage? What percentage of your music
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: would you say is informed by it is informed by hunting, fishing,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: outdoor pursuits. Like even even in terms of the vernacular,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of vernacular. I don't think I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: don't have any songs about hunting and fishing per se.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: But they'll they'll say stuff in them. You know, gasoline
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: has a line. I think frog band has a line
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: in it. Um, that load of a Southern Man has
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: that line. And so there's there's things that you could tell, yeah,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: like like like like terminology or references or something. Yeah,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: but not necessarily like, hey, I'm going fishing today. Yeah.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite lyrics, I'm taking that ship man. Well,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: that one starts with I don't mind work and I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: love to fish the son of a Bitch. The first
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: time I heard that, I'm like, yeah, I resonate with that. Uh.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Do you so always like to ask people who are
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: like somewhat in the you know, at least somewhat are
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: all the way in the black eye? Um? Do you
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of people who are interested in the blood sports,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: um get to a point where they feel they need
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: to draw some separation because it's a liability. Yeah, I'll
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: never be like that, but do you understand why they
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: do it? Have you have you been in a situation where,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: like I did, almost be easier if I had just
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't associated uh not too hot attle bit.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like, uh, are European fans are not
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: down with hunting and stuff like that? But it's it
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  Speaker 1: just comes from ignorance. Like when I when I had
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: all those pictures of the hogs and stuff like that,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: you know, they were like everybody was bitching and stuff,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: and I was like, shout, I guess I shouldn't even
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: have posted that. But but you thought that for a minute. Yeah,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: but I mean, you know whatever, but not to just
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'm not gonna hunt and all that stuff. Now,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would never do that. That's just who
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: I am. I'm not I'm not changing. I have no
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: interest in changing to be bigger or famous or have
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: more money or anything like that. I'm completely fine with
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: how I am. Do you where do you draw your
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: main You mentioned like hearing from European fans. You mean
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: like in social media comments. Yeah, supposedly they were lack
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: up six we killed a bunch of pigs, and they
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: comes from ignorance. They didn't know that they're wanted an
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: invasive species, so they shouldn't even have been there, and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: we shot a bunch of ducks yesterday. They're not. Yeah,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: but they probably would freak out about that too, But
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: that was really it. I don't think we've had a
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: lot of backlash other than that. But I don't have
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: social media or anything like that, So even if they
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: were talking a lot of ship, I wouldn't hear about
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: it unless somebody told me, what's your main what's the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: main way you communicate with what's the main way you
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: like communicate with fans? Like how do you know like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: what they're thinking? I think poke. Someone says it goes
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: back keeping my blinders on and doing my thing, you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: trying not to be influenced. There's gotta be some element
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: of like some some metric that you look at. M hm, No,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I don't. Let's tell me no, just doing my thing?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Should I? I I guess I should be listening to somebody else.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll just do our thing. Man. Well,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are they gonna tell me, like, oh,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: you should write this song? You know, Like I'm not
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: listening to what they tell you. Yeah something, Yeah, I
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: feel it's not Someone would say you know what in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: the position you're in, you know what you ought to do? Yeah,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: you never get that, n not to what is a
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: stereotypical European fan, Like, is he like me and Sam
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: longdred or No. No, they're great fans, but they just
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: don't see uh. A lot of our American fans would
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: understand more of the guns side, the hunting side and stuff.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Uh where they might lack our music, but they don't.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: They don't see the same at all. So that would
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: be the only difference. I would say, I've had those
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: conversations with Europeans man, and I really I really feel
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: like you know that that cold those many of those
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: cultures have just become so divorced from hunting. And it's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: it's the way that hunting has always been managed over there.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: It's always private land. It's always been kind of the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: realm of the aristocracy, and it's it's it's usually not
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: that people are opposed to killing animals or eating meat,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: but it's like they misunderstand our motivations a little. Suits
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: and ships exactly. And those people are probably never even
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: touching the dead animal, like maybe if it like arrives
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: on their plate, but they've got like game managers and
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: stuff for that. And I know I've had a number
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: of conversations with people in bars and you know, in
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: in France and Germany, England, Italy where where I talk
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: about like, you know, how how hunting is you know,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: an integral part of the our conservation of these species
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: is how we do it for how we do it
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: for me, how it's deeply you know, steeped in tradition,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: and it's it's just it's our it's our recreation, it's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: our it's our passion. And people come around immediately, but
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: at first they're like hunting, oh, but it's just it's
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: very foreign to them. It is. Yeah, people just don't
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: get it's not as cognitive as it is in America.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: It's just not it's not as part of a big,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: as part of the culture. It's it's such a small minority. There.
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  Speaker 1: Far be it from me to be an apologist for
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: the continent of Europe. But it's been pointed out to
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: me by UH listeners in Europe that when we talk
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: about Europe, we're talking about a large, extremely diverse area
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: as though we're talking about England. Like we say Europe,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: but what we kind of mean is like what I've heard,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: the feedback I've heard from people is that like, you've
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: been to Scotland in England and you saw kind of
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: what goes on there in the hunting world, and then
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you extend that to the entire continent, which I've been
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: told is exceedingly ignorant. Sure, sure, but I still like
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: to do it. It's fun. It's not. Yeah, it's not.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: It's not a monolith. It's it's not a monolith because
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: there are dudes are There are dudes right now. There
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: are dudes right now hunting moose on public land in
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Europe and now stomping the freaking marshes for that. The
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: one bird I want to get, the only one I want,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: the only bird I want to get more than an
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: oscillated turkey. No, the only bird, the second bird I
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: want to There's no bird I want more than oscild turkey.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Second to that is one, and then big damn Capa
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Kelly things. They're like, yeah, there are dudes out there
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: right now skulking around on skis and snowshoes and ship
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: bushwhacking around trying to find one of those. It's not
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: like you know then, you know, in some parts of Europe,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: the ones I'm more familiar with, Like you hired the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: local poor kids to go out and beat the brush
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: and touch because you don't want to have to pick
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: up any birds, so you hire local poor kids to
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: go pick them up for you. Then you all go
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: back and have a spot of t and uh and
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: they clean them all. But it's like it's a big place. Yeah,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: but there there are there are some unifying there are
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: some unifying aspects well that that there isn't really that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: there isn't really a system of public land by and
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: large in Europe and in Scandinavia and there there there
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: there's some sort of kind of de facto public land,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: but it ends it ends up being it ends up
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: being more and it's also and firearms are far more
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: restricted there, so it's it's hunting becomes less less kind
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: of a middle class, lower class activity as it can
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: be in the United States. I mean it spans you know,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of the entire you know, American society,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: but in in Europe it's it's definitely a lot more
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: targeted towards rich people. And fishing is the same way too.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, there isn't there isn't an overwhelming amount of
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: um of public access to water in Europe. I fished
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: quite a bit in Europe, and you it's always incredibly
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: difficult to uh, you got to go to this one
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: post office in this one town and pay thirty dollars
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: for the stamp to be on this sectionever that day,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: and you've got or you or or I mean in
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: where wherever it's better. It's you know, there's one person
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: who gets to be on that stretch of river that
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: day and it costs, you know, fifty euro and there
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: will be some public lakes. Usually salt water is less regulated.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: But um, I think I think some of our early
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: leaders in the conservation movement that allowed us to have
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: these large swaths of land that are open to everybody
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: really created something different. And the culture just diverged wildly
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: from from over there. And I've talked to I've talked
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: to European hunters quite a bit about this. Who people
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: who are interested, people who are allowed to go shoot
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: pheasants and rabbits, but never dreamed of getting to shoot
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: a deer because that's for that's for the the rich
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: guys to do. That was a powerful condemnation of Europe. Hey,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: I love Europe. I got a lot of Europeans uns.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Better here we get down, get some kind of genuine European,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: genuine European out of the fifty millions Drapeans and Europeans.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Who's got like a pan European. He's from a European
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: country and he identifies continentally. Here's what I want to
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: find my idea. Yet, this is the anti generalization idea.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: If you if you just give me a second. So
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: here's what you do as a producer. You find a
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: European from Europe who has who has a pan European
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: interest set. They come on and deliver a crash course
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: in Europe, meaning like this swath of countries generally this
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: and here's kind of what here's what their stereotype is.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Like I could go and do it for America. I'm like,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, down the South, you got all these rednecks.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: All they do is fish, catfish. They don't here, he
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: got these they just fish walling all time, kind of
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: dumb out here. It's like you know, I could I
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: could do I could walk through the US, you know,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: but through through like Utah. It's just like you know,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: it just trophy hunt giant bulls Arizona. They hunting huge
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: groups of people because there's no tags and when someone
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: draws a tag, fifty them have to go. Um. And
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I'll just do a country walker or a state by
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: state walk through. Similarly, we could do a country by
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: country walk through of what actually goes on in Europe
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: and it would be like very educational for me because
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I might not be so tempted to say what goes
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: on in this little place I went one time and
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: it ended across the continent. All right, I will look
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: for I actually have an expert expert able to speak
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: to that, because I'll do it right now. In Europe,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: by which I mean portions of England, they actually which
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: is not part of the European Union, in England of Europe. Yeah,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: uh uh, they have a thing called landing matt ever
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: hear of this. They like to fish carp Yeah, they
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: got carpet names on them, and the carpet have names
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: like like you know, it wouldn't be like old Bessie,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: that's what we'd call it. They would call it. Uh.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Ferguson Walter, Yeah, Ferguson the cart, Ferguson the eighth. Uh,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: they'll have a cart and then a lot of people
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: will catch them and they'll always be weighing them and
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: it'll be like the biggest cart was one day someone
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: called old Bessie and she was like ferguson the eighth
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: and he was an ounce more than when some other
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: dude caught him. And so they'll be like, when I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: call it Ferguson, he was thirty one pounds and three ounces,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: and that will be like the record. And they have
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: a landing. These guys use a landing mat. You when
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: you're fishing, you put out like a little rubber brit
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: like a little rubber ramp out that goes from the
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: beach down into the water. So when you catch fergus
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: in the eighth, you you you basically pull him ashore.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: It's on a landing map, then do your whatever you're
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: gonna do to him, not eat them, and then you
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: and then you slide him back down into the pond.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Did you know that catching release is illegal in Germany? Oh? Really?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Huh yeah, yeah, it's it's interesting. I fished over there
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and there, uh, we're fishing
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: trout stream and it's like a highly managed trout stream
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: and the guy we're we're we're going with you know
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: kind of media connection. Was was like and you know,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: we got all our we we had to go to
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: the post office and get our our fishing license. Then
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: we had to be at the fly shop to get
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: to you know, to reserve the beat for the day.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: And when we're all done with everything, he's like, well,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: here's here's your license and here's your fish tag. And
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: it was like it was like an interlocking tag, almost
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: like what you'd put on a like a deer in
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Alaska plastic though. Um. And we're like, oh, then that's
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: that's fine. We're traveling, you know, we're not going to
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: kill a fish. Like, what the hell do we do
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: with it? He's like catching release is actually not legal
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: in Germany. The Green Party passed that sometime in the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: in the nineties. They're like, well, you know, fishing's one thing.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Fishing is okay if you're providing food for yourself, but
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: it's it's animal cruelty to fish just for just for
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: ships and giggles. Um. So he's like, you have to
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: have this tag with you you catching relief. You're not
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: allowed to catch your release. But if you catch a
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: fish and take the hook out and then it happens
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: to get away from you. Then that's that's all right.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: But I mean, but I mean, it was kind of
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: like a wink wink, nudge nudge kind of thing. He's like,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: we like basically said, we never kill fish, but it's
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: illegal not to. Yeah, but apparently there was a major
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: prosecution about it. Like a few years before that, there's
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: some guy who's like a big pike angler and there's
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: some great pike fishing in Germany, and he had a
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: video on YouTube of him catching a big female pike
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: and reviving it and releasing it, and he actually was
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: prosecuted for that, for not killing that fish, which is
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: just you know, it's just so it's so interesting how
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: the how, how how far apart the cultures are see
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: rich and varied continent. If in this episode I'm talking
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: about current, there'd be a part where this individual would
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: be like, and then you got Germany, Okay, let one go,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I'll do some research. I was gonna ask you, guys,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: I would tell I would go to Google now typing
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: something like um Europeans with a pan continental interest and
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: the diverse hunting and fishing regulations of the continent, I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: will use that researcher and then uh see what what
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: pops up? This guy really Flarry moved from. I was wondering, like,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: how Whiskey Myer's music ends up with having European fans?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Can I can I say one more thing? No, real quick,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: I'm dying and all the answer that can you just
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: hold that. I was with my kids yesterday. Uh you know,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: they're like at home all day because the kids, because
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: the COVID, they haven't been going to school, so they
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: get a little cooped up. And I took him out
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: to check on some muskrat dens we were uh had
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: heard about, and um, they find a dead brown trout,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: like a big brown like a brown stone, dead kind
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: of rotten. They insist it's fresh. I'm across I'm in
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: my waiters and I'm across the creek from him, and
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: they're hooting hollar about this fish and they're gonna bring
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: it home and shoulder mom and eat it. And uh,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder. I was explaining to him
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: that you know, brown's coming up spawn and everything, and ah,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if he's got if he
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: had gotten a hook in him or something, and that's
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: what causes demise. And they're like, they reported, yes, he
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: has a hook stuck in his throat. And I said really,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: and they're like, yes, it's a silver hook. I go
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: and look at the fish. There is no hook in
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: its throat. We have a big conversation about there's just
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: like not a hook in its throat, Like, I don't
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: understand that night he's telling the story to cal there's
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: a hook in its throat, just like alternate reality. Certain
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: things to get said in the political sphere made a
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: lot more sense to me after that. It's just like
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: in his head there is a hook and that fish's
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: throat and no absence of a hook is going to
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: make him think otherwise. Oh you want me to make
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: that makes sense? It was a European brown, great brown
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: shot from your very good brown shot from Europe. Do
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: you wonder, Kay, ask your question, like, how how does
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Whiskey Myers develop fans in Europe? Is there like a
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: whole group that likes that sort of music from America? Yeah?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: They lack American music. Uh, most part of them are
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: really lack like kind of the classic rock sound or
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: the southern rock sound. It's it's kind of very big
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: over there right now. And so I guess the internet,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Well do they do they view? They million people? Do they? Okay?
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: If I like a band, I might like them for
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: years and then one'd be like, oh, ship, I didn't
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: know they're from wherever? Hm, there is a change, Okay.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Like I like some stuff. I like an album by
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: m Ad three, I didn't know they were French or
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: the guy was from France. Then later I'm like, oh,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I got some France. Now you
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: don't like them? No, I'm just saying, does it even
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: mad like? Do do if you have fans in Europe,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: are they like, uh, you know, I like music and
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: then there's some American music. I like it just like
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, does it even like
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: a thing? Yeah? I think it's it's a thing, like
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: they recognize I like music from the southern United States. Yeah,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I think so. At least a big part of our
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: fan base over there, they're they're looking for that, not
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: only America, but that part of America from southern France
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: just isn't something I would ever. There's one of our
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: distributors over there, they explained it to me one day.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: It was just him and I and he was like,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: he's like, you know, he said, over here, he said,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: they don't have a South. He said, they're and they're
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: like infatuated with the way y'all talk and and how
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: it comes out and all that. So it's really cool.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: You know, they don't have that over there. They don't
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of ye you know, the way we
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: talk and stuff just chakes them up. Did you guys
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: growing up? Did you grow up Hayting northerns No? No,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: can you can you goof on how we talk? Yeah?
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, I'd love to hear it. I'm not gonna
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: goof on how you guys talk? Come on, come on, impression?
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: Is that what you No? No, Okay, When I was
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: growing up, if we want to talk about bad about
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: a dude from the South, we had a way we
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: would do it right, so ours would just be like
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: oh or they eight like your os are different. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: we had a guy there he's like it's a big box. Yeah.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I don't know anybody sounds like that anyways.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: I told you know, if I tell him like how
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: they sound, They're like, but I don't know anybody that
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: sounds like that, but do for us when you were
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: a little kid and you were shipped talking Yankees, do
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: for us how they would like. I could be like,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: let's say I was I was. I would be like, Um,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: I can't do it now, man, it's hard. Let me
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: think about. Do do goofing on Northerners? You don't act
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: like you don't goof Okay, here's a good example. We
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: had a bus driver those from Wisconsin and he had
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: a real thick accent and he drank a lot of
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: mountain dew. I don't know why, but so every that's
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: a Northern drink. Every time we were going to bus call,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: he'd be like he would call me and I would
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: answer the phone and say, hello, hey, Chris, you think
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: you could drop by the store and grab me a
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: couple of mountain dues bro And I'm like that sound like?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: And the fact that he wanted me to get his
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: mountain before, I'm like, why didn't you do it? K
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: some wally? Yes See, when we're talking about Southerners. One
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: of our favorite, my favorite stories, one of Yanni story
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: I kind of like stole his story. So Yanni's turkey
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: hunting somewhere in the South or somehow what he's doing.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: He's turkey hunting somewhere. The guy pulls up, rolls his
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: window down, hawks out like cascade of chew spit, and
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: then says, y'all hear your turkey's gobble and that's us. Um,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: that's us symbolized. You're not far wrong. Yeah, mine suck good. Well.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: I hit a couple more like goof on northerners from
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: minute that was kind of like, what's the impression? Right?
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: I had a guy there to day you tell me,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, like he says, he's kind of like a
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: northern he's kind of pretentious, southern heart, a little bit
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: more homie friendly. Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: I mean honestly, we didn't really know about northern left
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: our county and oh we haven't gotten into that go
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: on real quick. So you grew up hunting, fishing. How
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: did your parents listen to music? Yea, but how did
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: it never curre to you to like play some music?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: That was the first damn question were supposed to? So, um,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: my grandfather on my mom's side, he was kind of wild.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: You know, he wouldn't around a lot. You didn't seem
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: a lot you know, because he was what he was
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: just out there again. Uh, kind of like the biker
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: and the you know, just a little bit edgy, you know,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: so you wouldn't see him a lot go away for
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: long spells of time. Yeah, kind of like that. Uh.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that I understand, but he kind
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: of played the guitar a little bit, you know, or
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: he had a guitar, and uh, I guess one time
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: I had told him when I was younger, like, you know,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: that's cool, I would learn how to love to learn
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: how to do that. And then years later, when I
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: was about sixteen, Uh, he left the guitar at like, uh,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: my grandparents house, Like he just showed up and I
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: thought he was your grandparents. Well yeah, so it would
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: have been her mom, So he would have been my
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: mom's dad. Which way were they were divorced, you know,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: but he left it. No, I'm not saying you're being complicated. Okay,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: you're mother's father, yes, but he was divorced from your
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: grandmother and grandfather were divorced, yes, I understanding. So he
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: just kind of came by. I don't even know if
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: he even talked. Oh, I don't know. That's way before
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: I was born, uh, because he's wild. But he just
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: years later for some reason, he left that guitar on
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: like their their porch or something. And I don't know
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: if he told him or I can't he remembered that time. Yeah,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: and so picked it up and kind of started learning.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: So he didn't come over and show you how to
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: use it. He just left. It was just left for me. Yeah,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: and uh, I went and got it and I started
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: learning how to do little chords and things like that.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: And then, um, John Jeffers, a guitar player. Um, I
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: took it over there one day. And I don't even
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: know if he knew, but like his his dad teen sixteen, seventeen, um,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: and I took it over there, and his dad actually
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: like knew how to play guitar and stuff. And I
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: don't know even though if we knew that. And like
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: evidently his dad was kind of you always played music,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: and his mom, you know, his mother had been in
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: a band, you know, and he probably knew that, but
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't, um, you know, when they were younger. And
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: then his dad showed us how to play guitar when
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: we were like sixteen or seventeen, like like showed you
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: how as then you started really focusing or he's like
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: it basically works like this, Uh, a little of both probably,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: but yeah, just shown us like, hey, this is like this,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: and he was playing and just taught us some stuff
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: and then it just kind of grew from there. Really.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: But that's that's how I got into music. Because my
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: grandpa left a guitar. You still have it. It got stolen.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: What Yeah, guitars get stolen a lot, So I don't
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: have that anymore where to get stolen from. So it
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: was in my my We had a suburban that we
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: toured in at that time when years years ago, when
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: we first started and seven or eight. Yeah, So I
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: had left it in there and went inside the house
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: and the window was messed up on the suburban. It
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: would always fall, remember that it wouldn't. And like I
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: went back inside the house and our dog died, had
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: died that day or something. So I went was like
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: messing with the dog, ended up having to bury it
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and I went back outside and somebody stole
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: the guitar while you're in burying the dead dog. My
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: daughter's fish died last night, and that's how that happened.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: And it was gone, So the window was just like
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: it would always fall down. I don't know if somebody
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: just had it was in the neighborhood at that time
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: I lived in Tyler, slipped out of the track and it. Yeah,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: it was around the time they were they were stealing
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, So somebody was just walking by
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: and maybe seen it and just I just left it in.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: There wasn't even very long when and they had stole
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: their guitar and they never found it. Never found it.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: We looked, we looked around in pawn chops and everything
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: like that, and so and it was one of those
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: things where I was like taking stuff in and then
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: you know, ended up having to deal with that and
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, shoot, I gotta get my stuff
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: with your grandfather. It was of what kind of guitar
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: would it looked like, what's the man? It would? Yeah,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: it was just an old attack of many guitar and
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: it had a it did have a cigarette burn on it, alright,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: I guess it would be from him. So it did
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: have a cigarette burn on it, but it didn't have
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: any unique features other than that. It was just you know,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: it's so depressing, man. But that's a true story. Man.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: So for any listeners out there, what color wasn't just regular.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what classic guitar pit guard? It
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: had a cigarette burn under I believe under the pit guard,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: you know, like where your fingers would see it. If
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: you're man, we should do like a national effort to
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: get your And that was like contact mediator if you
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: find a guitar alarming. The story we reported on this
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: My brother and his body were fishing in Alaska and
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: they out there. They had some engine problems and they
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: got their boat flipped and swamped up against the log
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: when the water is real high, and they hung a
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: buoy off it, and the rain kept coming and they
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: were waiting for the water to get down so they
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: could go back and retrieve their boat. And they just
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: went back to get it. It's gone. The only thing
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: left is to tea posts sunk in the bank where
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: someone had rigged up some leverage points to jacket out
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: of there, stole their freaking boat. Were sure that person
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: thought of it as theft though, and they weren't like
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: thought it was a salvage jill. But they sure ship
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: didn't call the police and say we found a boat.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: If you found a boat sunk against the log with
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: a booty tied to it, and you had to go
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: out and get some tea posts and sink them in
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: and come along and off there. You don't, you wouldn't
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: get a slight feeling like, I wonder whose boat this is?
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: You're getting a reward in that case? Uh, my brother's road,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: so he used to lived down he used to live
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: by this little Uh that's kind of a weird story.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Never mind, how's he tell you a drug car theft story?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: It's just a long ass story without getting into too
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: many details. My brother's body gets his truck stolen, and
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: he's suspicious of of a little meth house down the road.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: He's suspicious of the inhabitants of a little meth house
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: down the road. But he does the police, your partner
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: all that. Eventually gets a call from the cops. His
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: truck has been a band in a couple of hours
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: away at a gas station, and the cops says, oddly,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: they abandon your truck and stole the gas station attendance car.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: He says, what do they drive? They drive or whatever
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: the hell it was. He goes and looks out his window.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: He's like, yep, it's parked, Scooby, dude, that thing man,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: it's parked down the road and house of the people
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: I suspected. Still did they upgrade or was it insulting
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: like that? Remember the details, but it was just some
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: sly some sly uh you know, burglary not as sly
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: as they thought. Uh So, what happens next? You guys
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: are screwed because you can't tour and make money doing
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: everything you are. You like, like, what happens now? How
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: do you how do you be an independent rock band
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: at the time of COVID, Well, we can be that
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: because we are independent and we get royalties, we own
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: our masters, you know, so well I think we would have, yeah,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of harder time if we weren't independent. Yeah,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: we're gonna hopefully start up next year. We stopped in
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: like February when everything, you know, everything started to closing down.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: They started canceling shows, and then we were gonna go
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: back on the road, and like July. Everything was supposed
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: to kick back up in July and all that, and
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: they had, you know, shows still booked, you know, throughout
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: the year, and we would get close to or three
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: week out and they cancel and that she kept happening,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: kept happening, kept happening. Every time we have to cancel
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: right at the last minute. And I was like, this
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: is stupid, Like cancel the rest of the year. We'll
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: get we'll get back at it next year. We're just
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: gonna move, you know. And so we just moved everything
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: from this year to the next year because it was
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: just it was obnoxious being like, oh, you gotta come
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: back to work, you know, telling people they had to
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: come back to work at certain times and and things
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: like that, and then it canceled, and then you're telling
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: the fans we're gonna be here, they buy tickets, you cancel,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: and so it was just one of those things where
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: it's like and I don't want to deal with like
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: capacity and all that. It's like, let's just wait a
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: couple of months and maybe we can go back at
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: it full steam and have good shows where you can
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: rock and everything and you're not sitting out with mask
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: on spread out at your table. And it was just like,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: why not. We've been on the road NonStop for twelve
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: thirteen years. I think you know, we can take a
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: few months off. Have you been enjoying the time off? Yeah,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: they're probably doing more more hunting and fishing than normal. Yeah,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: I have, but I've been fishing a lot and then yeah,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: I've just been started hunting, you know, hunting season just
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: opened a couple of weeks ago. Or fishing the summer
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I don't fish a lot in like
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: August because it's just it's miserable too hot down there. Yeah,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: I think so. And then the fish start kind of
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: suspending and doing some different things. They're just kind of funky,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: you know that August in September, kind of the transition
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: in there. It's just a little bit funky enough. I
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: needed to like start writing again and working on the
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: the new album. But when both season rolled around, I've
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: been hunting a lot. So, um, tell people because they
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: can't come see you right now, tell people like what,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: like what what works for you best for people to
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: want to go explore your music? You know, to tell
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: people just go on Spotify man, yeah, Apple Music or
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: website just all social media outlets. People, your website, yeah,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: Whiskey Myers dot com. Just really, what's whatever convenient for them?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: They want to buy a record, they got a record player,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: buy a record, they want to stream it? Do that.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: You know, did you guys get your ducks cleaned yesterday?
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: We do? Would you like to have a place like
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: that place? Yeah, they had it going on. Man, I've
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: never hosed down the room before. That was that's just
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: just set up for for cleaning ducks. I was had
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: they going on. Um, yeah, that he's got a uh,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: he's got pretty special plays. A lot of a lot
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: of love and attention went into yeah, just making making
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: making duck country. Yeah, we've seen I mean, how many
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: deer and pheasant and everything else did we see just
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: besides the I don't even I tried to explain how
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: many ducks we've seen, and I was like, I have
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: no idea saying it makes it hard to get up
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: at three in the morning, go and put your boat
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: in and drive up and get to fight with some
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: other duck hunters and get two ducks. And yeah, this
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't like that. Yeah, well it was. It was so
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: funny in the morning too, that we're all set up
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: in that blind. I'll get our deeks out, all our
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: all our stuff nicely stashed, and then we have the
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: side by side. Roll up. You're on the wrong line,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Get in with me. We're going to the other one.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: They already have limits and we're like, what we killed
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: were good? Yeah? Me too. I'm like, yeah, we're talking
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: a couple in here. We're getting some okay shots. We've
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: got a couple of ducks in the blind and he's like, oh,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: they already got like twenty one birds. Yeah. I was like,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: I think we're doing fat man. We're saying a lot
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: of a lot of birds, and he's like, oh, no,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: y'all need to move. But then we got over there.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: We got it real quick. It was they wanted to
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: be right there. Was that your first? Was that your
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: first duck print? That was my third duck? Yeah? I
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: went on my first duck hunt. Actually, no, well I
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: went on a duck hunt with some of y'all. I
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: knew you went, but I didn't know that you first,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: my first actual duck. I went out with them. HANSI
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: you only done trying to wing shoot him. Well, we were,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I loved it. I was. We were in
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: the muck, so we um we canoed in, our canuted
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: out and set up a bunch of decoys and we
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: were hiding, you know, underneath the reeds, and so they
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: were there were some God, I had missed a bunch.
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  Speaker 1: And then we were all taking a break and eating,
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  Speaker 1: and then a couple were kind of flying. Hi. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have taken the shot. I just like, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even tell anyone I was going to take the shot.
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  Speaker 1: I probably should have. Like everyone had beef jerky in
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  Speaker 1: their mouths and they were chatting, and I just saw
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  Speaker 1: a bird come from left to right and I just
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  Speaker 1: shot it and it went down. No, it was, um,
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  Speaker 1: what are you looking at? You got it written down? No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about staring into space and trying to get
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  Speaker 1: it from my mom's my mind's eye. The black feathers
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  Speaker 1: with kind of the white outline. Widgeon, that's the region, right. Yeah. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: I was down there a couple of days before. She was.
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  Speaker 1: They're getting a lot of yeah. So. And then my
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  Speaker 1: second one was was also a widgeon. It was like
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  Speaker 1: coming to land. It was it was it was pretty low,
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  Speaker 1: it was coming to land among the decoys, and it
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  Speaker 1: was almost like it was I mean, there's just a
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  Speaker 1: couple of feet off the surface of the water. When
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  Speaker 1: I got it was a pretty easy shot, but I
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  Speaker 1: just know it was kind of like I felt like
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  Speaker 1: that duck was landing in and about to be like
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: hey Bob, hey Joe, what's up? And then they're like mannequins,
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  Speaker 1: not saying anything. I always wonder about them. I always
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  Speaker 1: wondered about that interaction the duck lands and it spread
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  Speaker 1: after me. He's like these people are Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: like because they kind of get like a very they
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: land and they started getting like an uneasy feeling. So
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: those are those are my first two. The other way
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: like I don't know something and then the lights go out.
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  Speaker 1: But yesterday was my was my third duck. I missed
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  Speaker 1: a ship ton and and Chris had to Chris finished
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  Speaker 1: off like a handful of my birds for me, but
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  Speaker 1: there was one that was just a clean shot. How
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  Speaker 1: are you going to cook up like the ducks you
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  Speaker 1: got yesterday? Do you have any like from your mother?
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any Chinese influenced uh duck recipes that
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  Speaker 1: you try or do you just cook like whatever? My
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  Speaker 1: mom was not. My mom did like a certain number
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  Speaker 1: of things. Well, um, never like peeking duck. That that's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of day effort. Um. But I do have
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  Speaker 1: like an old school Chinese cooking a cookbook. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: try something like that. I may, um, dude, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: I think you groove should be like Chinese man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I have a friend. I have a friend
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  Speaker 1: in town, dear friend in town, Linda, who is um
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  Speaker 1: a chef from Shanghai, and I was going to ask
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  Speaker 1: her to maybe help me out with a with a thing.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe that's maybe that's what I what I
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  Speaker 1: have to do with at least one of my ducks.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if these have enough fat on them.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't. They get a little bit later. But when
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  Speaker 1: you say your mom did some things, well, do you
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  Speaker 1: mean that cooking wasn't one of them? Or she did
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  Speaker 1: some dishes? Well, some some dishes she did but did
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  Speaker 1: not know? I don't. I don't really know how many
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  Speaker 1: people do that at home. That's kind of like you
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: go to Chinatown and you buy them. What's that? What's
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: that Chinese preparation for duck that you see in Chinatown
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: in New York where they have them they're glazed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's that is where they're hanging up lazed. That's the
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: you know. And and I used to buy those things.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: They kind of caught them up with a cleaver. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: It's like you have all these ducks hanging in shiny
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: they're crispy, and then you like stand in line and
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: it's like the guy with a freaking huge as cleaver
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: just like chop chop chop, chop, chop, chop chop chop.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's just like they pile all this greasy,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: just delicious duck with sauce and like there's some slight
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: um I would say, like different spices. Some some folks
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: might do more of like a five spice and they're
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: you know, slight variations. Um. But I think I think
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: we need to think about a recipe like that. Um.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: That used to be uh that was like a favorite
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: thing to do when to go, you know, in New York,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: to go find those ducks. Totally. Yeah, when you guys
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: were playing in New York, did you did you do
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: some peeking duck in Chinatown? It's not like a wild
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: duck man right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, what'd you do?
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: Whoa Hop? This restaurant called whoa Hop it's in Manhattan. Yeah,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: it's very awesome if you're ever there, get some duck there.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: Something is secured to be Chris with no turing and
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: you'd being the term manager times getting hard. Oh yeah,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: but oh yeah, but like Cody said, I mean we've
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: been enjoying it, hunting, fishing. It's been great. Yeah, it
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: just hit me. I was like, oh, that's a tour manager. Yeah,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: I'm probably healthier than when we're on the road. Well,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: they toured all the way up here. We've been hanging
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: out on their bus every day when I picked him up.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: That's good. It's cool. Glass bust here man Steve Steve
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  Speaker 1: as Korean about shooting a duck off the water before
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: and you know, referring to like Northerners making fun of
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: Southerners and southerns making fun of Northerners. I'm from South Dakota.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: We would refer to that, or like shooting a dove
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: off a power line is Arkansas and something that's because
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: the old Arkansas is that? Is that what you guys?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: That's not that's from the old market hunter days. That's
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: not like a goofing on the side puns Like would
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  Speaker 1: you guys, would you guys call what would you refer
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: to that as I would? You said that that's Arkansas
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  Speaker 1: that you guys don't know about calling it Arkansas on
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: a bird like that's Michigan or and stuffing loosening where
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: I'm from. Yeah, but dude, we'll report back on this.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: The etymology, but I understand from my father has something
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: to do. It's like a reference to a type of
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: rig used by market hunters. It's not like you know,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: those idiots down in Arkansas. I would prefer like these
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: guys still say Arkansas. Yeah I know, but I would
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: prefer that they call it like, oh, that's uh, that's
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: Scony in something like someone from Wisconsin would do that.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: I'm a Arkansas on it. I got a lot of
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: friends in Arkansas. They call Arkansas and and Arkansas Clay
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  Speaker 1: Newcomb Newcombe. You know what I messaging right now. Maybe
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: we'll have an answer by the end of the podcast.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: I'm wrapping it up. You gotta come back on Spencer.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Report back after you talk to that dude who got
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: all the elk shot off this place. All right, Whiskey
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Myers find him at whiskey Myers dot com. That's a
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: good U r L for you, guys. Yeah, it works,
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  Speaker 1: not confusing. Um, Spotify didn't go find you yep, Spotify,
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• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: wrong person. You got an affirmative. You got an affirmative
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: from the other Chris. I think we got everything. Man.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: Al Right, guys, thanks so much for coming on. It
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  Speaker 1: was fun hanging out. She probably quit chewing that tobacco. Yeah, um,
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