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Credlin | 6 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good Ony, Chris,
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Speaker 1: thanks for that good evening. Welcome to the show. Steve
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Speaker 1: Price with you this week filling in for Peter Credlin.
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Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up on Kredlin tonight, with youth crime
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Speaker 1: and the use of weapons in robberies now out of control.
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Speaker 2: In Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: We talked to a man who was centimeters away from
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Speaker 1: losing his left hand in an alleged gang attack, all
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Speaker 1: over a mobile phone. That's coming up shortly. Not since
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Speaker 1: the end of World War II have we seen global
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Speaker 1: military tensions on such a knife edge. The Australian's Greg
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Speaker 1: Sheridan on Ukraine Russia and Trump's deadline bus, the latest
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Speaker 1: from Gaza and our frigate deal that's been done with Japan.
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Speaker 1: Police now investigating some of the actions of pro Palestine
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Speaker 1: protesters on the Sydney Harbor Bridge last Sunday. They are
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Speaker 1: looking at chants and signs and I pity the burning
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Speaker 1: of the Australian flag can't be looked at, but it's
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Speaker 1: not illegal. We'll have something on that as well. And
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Speaker 1: being Wednesday, Kel Richards, he'll be here with us looking
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Speaker 1: at the meaning tonight of blue murder.
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Speaker 2: The word blue murder. Let's get going. Well.
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Speaker 1: History has a way of repeating itself, doesn't it when
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Speaker 1: it comes especially to Victorian labor governments.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Back in the early nineties, businesses deserted the state, the
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Speaker 1: state of Victoria that at the time was referred to
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Speaker 1: nationally as the rustbucket state. Led by the first female
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Speaker 1: labor premier, Joan Kerner, who was ramping up business taxes,
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Speaker 1: she had unemployment at twelve percent. The state was billions
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Speaker 1: of dollars in debt, with a bloated public service and
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Speaker 1: hollowed out manufacturing sector. Sound familiar, Well, fast forward to
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. The debt is worse, the public service
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Speaker 1: bigger and even more bloated. Unions control every big build
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Speaker 1: site in the state, and Victorians are being slugged with
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Speaker 1: taxes not no other state is paying anywhere in the country. Look,
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Speaker 1: it's no exaggeration to say that many people I know
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Speaker 1: would leave Victoria in a heartbeat if they didn't have
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Speaker 1: family and assets tied up in Victoria. This time around,
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Speaker 1: things are probably worse. Joan Kerner didn't have a crime crisis.
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Speaker 1: The size of the actual population was more manageable, and
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Speaker 1: her debt is dwarfed by the Andrews Allan black hole.
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Speaker 1: Fast forward to last weekend and the State Labor Conference
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Speaker 1: and this announcement from the premiere justinto Allen of russbucket
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Speaker 1: state number two.
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Speaker 3: My labor government will make working from home a right,
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Speaker 3: not a request.
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Speaker 4: Are roughs.
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Speaker 3: If you can reasonably do your job from home, you'll
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Speaker 3: have the right to do so for at least two
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Speaker 3: days a week, public or private?
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Speaker 2: What about that?
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Speaker 1: So, in the middle of what is clearly a recession
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Speaker 1: in Victoria, the person in charge decides it would be
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Speaker 1: a good idea to tell private businesses big and small
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Speaker 1: here that she wants to make it legal for your
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Speaker 1: workers to tell you they want to work from home
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Speaker 1: two days a week by law, and you won't be
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Speaker 1: able to do anything about it. Look, it's taken a
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Speaker 1: couple of days, but leading business figures are now starting
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Speaker 1: to point out the folly of what Jacinda Allen is
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Speaker 1: trying to do, and lawyers are explaining to her that
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Speaker 1: she can't legally do it anyway.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: I'll get to the legal advice in a second, but
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Speaker 1: as an example, billionaire property developer Tim Gerner in The
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Speaker 1: Australian newspaper Today called the working from Home plan madness
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Speaker 1: and labeled it dangerously out of touch tough words. He
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Speaker 1: said governments should be about enabling businesses, not restricting them,
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Speaker 1: while Flight Center founder Graham Turner, who has franchises right
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Speaker 1: around the nation, called the plan unworkable, bad for business,
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Speaker 1: and could challenge his company's egalitarian philosophy by creating two
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Speaker 1: classes of worker. Graham's spot on which brings us to
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Speaker 1: the cynical nature of this announcement now. As Damon Johnson
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Speaker 1: points out in a column in The Australian Today, Labor
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Speaker 1: is addicted to polling and would have polled this idea
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Speaker 1: before dissenter Alan floated it at the weekend. Victoria doesn't
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Speaker 1: go to an election until November next year. Alan floats
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Speaker 1: this idea, attempts the opposition to bag it, and sits
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Speaker 1: back and watches young people and female voters in particular,
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Speaker 1: ticking Labour's box when it comes time to vote. It's
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Speaker 1: macks of Dan Andrew's cynical floating of an idea that
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Speaker 1: his state could run a regional Commonwealth Games before the
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Speaker 1: last state election, in a clear ploy to win regional
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Speaker 1: voters over people who vote in the country.
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Speaker 2: That happened.
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Speaker 1: He won a third term, and weeks later what did
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Speaker 1: he do? He canceled the Comwealth Games, saying they were
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Speaker 1: too expensive to run, costing the state government almost six
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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars to not stage them.
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Speaker 2: They went to Scotland.
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Speaker 1: Now Premier Allen probably knows she can't overrule federal workplace laws,
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Speaker 1: but hey, who cares throw the idea out there. People
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Speaker 1: won't pay attention to the detail. You might get labor
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Speaker 1: a fourth term and away we go, Victoria again, the
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Speaker 1: russ bucket State. Let's head to Camber now for tonight's
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Speaker 1: political headlines. We're joined by scone News's political reporter Rubinspago.
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Speaker 5: After unleashing a debate on tax reform, the Treasurer seems
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Speaker 5: to be winding back expectations for his economic roundtable. A
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Speaker 5: range of ideas have been submitted, including a cash flow
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Speaker 5: tax for business and union demands for negative gearing and
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Speaker 5: capital gains tax changes.
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Speaker 6: It's not about replacing the important decision making functions of ministers.
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Speaker 6: It's about testing and teasing out the next steps.
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Speaker 5: Changes to artificial intelligence regulation is the latest proposal. The
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Speaker 5: Productivity Commission says if unleashed, it could boost the economy,
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Speaker 5: but warns workers may pay the price. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 5: has held a phone call with the French President in
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Speaker 5: the latest diplomatic outreach on the situation in Gaza. The
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Speaker 5: leader's discussed shared priorities, including the release of hostages, increasing
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Speaker 5: aid into Gaza and a two state solution.
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Speaker 6: We can't talk about moving forward until Hamas releases as
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Speaker 6: the hostages, until they played no further part in Gaza,
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Speaker 6: and until they lay down their weapons.
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Speaker 5: Next month's United Nations General Assembly is shaping up to
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Speaker 5: be pivotal. Anthony Alberzi and Emmanuel Macron are set to
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Speaker 5: meet on the sidelines. Jeremy Rockliffe has been reappointed Premier
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Speaker 5: of Tasmania despite falling short of a majority in last
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Speaker 5: month's election. The governor says in a hung parliament, the
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Speaker 5: incumbent has the right to remain in office to test
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Speaker 5: the numbers and for Parliament to have the final say.
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Speaker 5: Opposition leader Dean Winter has vowed to introduce a motion
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Speaker 5: of no confidence as soon as Parliament returns.
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Speaker 1: Good on you, Rebin, thank you very much for that.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in Skye News. Senior reporter Caroline Marcus. Caroline,
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Speaker 1: great to catch up with you. I want to play
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Speaker 1: just a very small grab of a speech that was
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Speaker 1: made this morning from the UN Ambassador for the State
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Speaker 1: of Palestine. I want to get your reaction to it,
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Speaker 1: and I want to make a point about why I
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Speaker 1: think it's important to comment on this.
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Speaker 7: Here he was, peace starts with ending the war in Gaza.
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Speaker 7: Let me repeat, peace starts with ending the war in Gaza.
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Speaker 7: Peace will prevail once Palestinian rights are fulfilled and the
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Speaker 7: Palestinian state is independent.
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Speaker 1: It went a lot longer than that, obviously, Caroline. But
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Speaker 1: I wanted to play it because people like the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 1: the Foreign Minister, Pennywong, and others in labor who not
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Speaker 1: when but soon enough want to recognize Palestine will be
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Speaker 1: watching that and we'll use it as justification, won't They.
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Speaker 8: They will, But they shouldn't because there have been many
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Speaker 8: instances throughout Israel's history, long history, in which the Palestinians
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Speaker 8: have been offered a stay in exchange for peace, in
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Speaker 8: exchange for recognizing Israel's existence, and its leaders have said no.
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Speaker 8: They've had said no, no, no, no, no. And even
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Speaker 8: in this instance, in the war. We have to keep
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Speaker 8: in mind that it's Hamas that has refused cease fire
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Speaker 8: deals time and time again. It's refused to release the hostages.
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Speaker 8: There's still fifty Israeli hostages in Gaza being held in
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Speaker 8: terror tunnels, being starved. They refused to do that, and
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Speaker 8: they refused to surrender. So what would a Palestinian state
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Speaker 8: look like? Would it look like Hamas still having a
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Speaker 8: rule over Gaza, because that can never be allowed to happen.
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Speaker 8: There was peace on October six, and then Hamas carried
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Speaker 8: out the worst atrocity against Jewish people since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 8: So I would like the Prime Minister and Pennywong to
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Speaker 8: remember all those points when they listened to speeches like that,
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Speaker 8: because rewarding Hamas and warding terror with a state, and
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Speaker 8: no one has any idea what that would look even
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Speaker 8: look like, is not the answer to the Middle East problem.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely well said the reason I played it, And we
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Speaker 1: do need to give the alternative view because those countries
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Speaker 1: and ours is one of them pushing so hard for
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Speaker 1: that result. Are going to use that speech as justification
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Speaker 1: on the march on the weekend over the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of development since. But I'm pleased
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Speaker 1: to say there's now some investigations and I don't know
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Speaker 1: where these will go into the actions of some of
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Speaker 1: the protesters during that march over the Harbor Bridge. Now,
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Speaker 1: sadly in Victoria's and everywhere in Australia, it's not illegal
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Speaker 1: to burn the Australian flag.
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Speaker 2: They were just as bad down here.
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Speaker 1: But what of the signage and comments and chants do
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Speaker 1: we know? Is it the police that are looking into this?
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Speaker 8: Well reportedly news up Wealth Police are connuncting as series
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Speaker 8: of investigations, a number of them into what we saw
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Speaker 8: over the weekend on the Sydney Harbor Bridge. Now in particular,
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Speaker 8: they're looking at signage that were mass symbols. There were
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Speaker 8: Nazi symbols. One woman held up a sign with the
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Speaker 8: Star of David superimposed onto the Nazi symbol. In previous
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Speaker 8: instances police have found there was a well known chef here,
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Speaker 8: owner of a restaurant, who was charged over a similar offense,
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Speaker 8: So it'd be interesting to see what happens there.
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Speaker 4: But people were holding up signs.
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Speaker 8: Of the Ayatola of the Islamic regime in Iran.
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Speaker 4: They were holding up signs which.
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Speaker 8: Appeared to be the same as the Islamic state signs,
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Speaker 8: and others seem to be trying to get around the
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Speaker 8: new legislation that we've seen introduced here where it's it's
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Speaker 8: now illegal to show things like Hezbela terror terror flags.
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Speaker 4: They're using the same colors.
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Speaker 8: They've been quite clever and cunning about it, but they're
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Speaker 8: not showing the flag themselves. I don't have a lot
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Speaker 8: of confidence that this is going to lead to prosecutions
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Speaker 8: or more than one or two prosecutions, based on what's happened.
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Speaker 4: In the past two years.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we saw shocking scenes the two days after
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Speaker 8: October seven outside the opera House, and back then police
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Speaker 8: wasted resources and energy looking into exactly what kind of
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Speaker 8: anti Semitic chant was spoken outside the opera house.
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Speaker 4: Was it gas the Jews? Was it wears the Jews?
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Speaker 8: And in the end no one was charged over hate
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Speaker 8: speech at that So a number of stories I've done
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Speaker 8: in the past two years steve that police investigate.
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Speaker 4: And then they determine they don't.
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Speaker 8: Have enough legally to proceed, but they don't actually test
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Speaker 8: the laws that we have in place.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think our race speech laws tough enough.
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Speaker 1: They're not being used by the authorities as they should
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Speaker 1: be used. I mean, we had a young girl in
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Speaker 1: Melbourne chanting Palestine from the River to the Sea over
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Speaker 1: and over and over again on a loud speaker. You
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Speaker 1: had people in the faces of police who blocked off
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Speaker 1: that King Street bridge burning the Australian flag. As I mentioned,
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Speaker 1: there were signs exactly what you described in Sydney. They
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Speaker 1: were replicated here in Melbourne. I mean, how is the
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Speaker 1: Jewish community feeling after those two mass events on Sunday?
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Speaker 8: People are feeling absolutely disheartened and frustrated and just horrified.
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Speaker 8: But what they see, they don't they feel fed up
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Speaker 8: after two years of this and it's I mean, there
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Speaker 8: were chants of death, death to the IDF. We saw
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Speaker 8: a number of people wearing shirts and bringing signs with
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Speaker 8: that new slogan on it. That people are not being
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Speaker 8: discreet or shy about their hostility towards Israel and towards
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Speaker 8: Jewish people, I would say as well, and it's left.
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Speaker 4: The community feeling terrible.
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Speaker 8: It's not just hate speech, it's incitement to violence. In
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Speaker 8: many cases, I would argue it's glorification of terror groups
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Speaker 8: and it's just a complete there's no context here.
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Speaker 4: There's no one on the.
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Speaker 8: Bridge that I could see that was advocating for starving
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Speaker 8: Israeli hostages being kept in terror dungeons underground.
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Speaker 4: They're only very.
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Speaker 8: One side and very imbalanced on this issue, with no
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Speaker 8: context that this was all started by Hamas who refuses
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Speaker 8: to surrender.
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Speaker 1: And guess what, particularly in Melbourne, we'll see protest number
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Speaker 1: ninety three probably on Sunday. I know you're working on
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Speaker 1: a story in regard to New South Wales Health, Caroline,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell us about that?
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Speaker 8: Another doctor Steve, and this one in a really senior
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Speaker 8: position at one of Sydney's busiest hospital's, Royal Prince Alfred Hospital,
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Speaker 8: and she's the head of its sexual assault unit there,
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Speaker 8: one of the busy to partments, so seeing rape survivors,
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Speaker 8: victims of sexual assaults. She's now under investigation by a
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Speaker 8: New South Wales Health in the local Area Health District
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Speaker 8: for allegations of anti Semitism and bullying. Her name is
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Speaker 8: doctor Jennifer Martinez. She was appointed to the role in
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Speaker 8: February for a period of at least five years and
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Speaker 8: she's been calling her peers in the industry, including Jewish doctors,
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Speaker 8: zio Zio doc flops, zimbos, butt hurt ziodoctors and Zionists, extremists,
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Speaker 8: demons and gronks, in addition to a number of offensive
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Speaker 8: videos and posts. She's a very outspoken advocate for Palestinian rights.
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Speaker 8: But her critics argue she's crossed a very clear line
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Speaker 8: here and they're concerned for the patients of Jewish and
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Speaker 8: Zionists who might present to her service.
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Speaker 4: Take a look at what this advocate had to say.
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Speaker 4: Health professionals are not advocating.
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Speaker 6: Rather, they are being activists, and activism in medicine is unhealthy.
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Speaker 8: So this matter was referred to the Health minister here,
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Speaker 8: Ryan Parker, who then referred it to New Southwell's Health
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Speaker 8: they're currently investigating these concerns and they've said to the
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Speaker 8: complainant that they may even call in experts on legal
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Speaker 8: issues and anti Semitism in conducting their investigation.
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Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing the end result of that story.
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Speaker 1: World One, Caroline, thanks a lot. We'll talk to you soon, Caroline,
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Speaker 1: Marcus Sire. Let's bring in the foreign editor for The Australian,
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Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan. There's so much happening at the moment. It's unbelievable. Greg, welcome.
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Speaker 1: I read your front page story in the Australian today.
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Speaker 1: You Reckon Labor finally got one of these defense purchases
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Speaker 1: right by locking in the Japanese frigate deal.
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Speaker 2: I mean about time.
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Speaker 9: Yes, absolutely, Steve, great to be with you. So this
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Speaker 9: is a good decision. But of course it could have
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Speaker 9: been made two or three years ago. There's no reason
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Speaker 9: for the absurd delay. But they finally decided to buy
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Speaker 9: a modern warship. It's not a huge ship. We should
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Speaker 9: be getting more powerful destroyers, you know, like the Ali
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Speaker 9: Burks with one hundred vertical launch cells. But this is
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Speaker 9: pretty good. This is a very modern, stealthy Magami Japanese frigate.
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Speaker 9: It's got thirty two vertical launch cells, as many as
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Speaker 9: our Hunter frigates are going to have. We're going to
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Speaker 9: get the first three of them built in Japan, which
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Speaker 9: means there's a good chance they'll come in on schedule
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Speaker 9: and on price. We're going to get three of them
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Speaker 9: four under ten billion dollars, whereas our ludicrous Hunter frigates
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Speaker 9: are going to cost nine billion dollars each and take
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Speaker 9: longer to construct than a nuclear submarine. So we'll get
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Speaker 9: the first one before the end of the decade, assuming
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Speaker 9: we don't bag them up by putting, you know, sort
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Speaker 9: of special platypus radars on them or something like this.
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Speaker 9: Assuming the government can keep the defense organization away from
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Speaker 9: them and just let the Japanese manufacture them, we will
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Speaker 9: at last get some modern platforms. Now it's way too little,
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Speaker 9: it's way too late, but even a blind pig finds
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Speaker 9: an acorn occasionally, so well done to the government. They've
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Speaker 9: done something, They've done something right.
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Speaker 1: Eventually, it does make you wonder, though, what would happen
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Speaker 1: if Tony Abbott hadn't lost the Prime ministership to Malcolm
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Speaker 1: turmul and we had gone down the Abbot track dealt
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Speaker 1: with the Japanese on submarines. And I think I heard
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Speaker 1: you say somewhere the other day that we probably had
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Speaker 1: the first one of them in the water by now.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, it was always planned that we'd get those subs.
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Speaker 9: Beginning in the mid twenty twenties. The Japanese make brilliant
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Speaker 9: conventional submarines. They were making the saw Us then. I
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Speaker 9: think their new class is called the Tagus or some
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Speaker 9: such We would certainly have upgraded with the Japanese. They've
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Speaker 9: been great conventional subs, and assuming we didn't over design
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Speaker 9: them insanely, they would have been delivering the first ones now.
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Speaker 9: And if we'd allowed the first few to be built
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Speaker 9: in Japan while we trained up a workforce, we could
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Speaker 9: have built the last few in Australia. If we're going
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Speaker 9: to get twelve, if we got three or four built
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Speaker 9: in Japan and then the rest built in Australia after
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Speaker 9: we had a workforce and knew how to do it,
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Speaker 9: that would have been the way to go, and we
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Speaker 9: would have had a very capable fleet of conventional submarines.
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Speaker 9: Maybe we'd go nuclear after that, but at the moment
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Speaker 9: we're headed to have no submarines at all. And of course,
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Speaker 9: the other thing is Abbott had this vision of strategic
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Speaker 9: alignment and intimate engagement between Japan and Australia as part
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Speaker 9: of a three way Japan, Australia United States military arrangement,
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Speaker 9: and now the Albanese government is implementing that a decade
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Speaker 9: late and with a smaller defense project, but it has
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Speaker 9: those same benefits and Beijing will hate it, and that's
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Speaker 9: another reason it's such a good idea. But it's a
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Speaker 9: joy to see the Albanese government implementing the Abbot strategic vision.
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Speaker 1: Yep, you must say we've wasted a hell of a
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Speaker 1: lot of time both sides of politics. I mentioned with
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Speaker 1: Caroline Marcus there that un speech was today from the
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Speaker 1: Palestinian representative. I wanted to ask you about these chats
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Speaker 1: between French President mccron and Anthony Albanzi.
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Speaker 2: Now, our prime.
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Speaker 1: Ministers still can't get to talk to Donald Trump, but
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Speaker 1: Macron seems to pick up the phone whenever he calls,
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Speaker 1: and he's also spoken to Palestinian leaders. We are going
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Speaker 1: to join the chorus of recognizing Palestine, I gather, but
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Speaker 1: what exactly are we recognizing?
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Speaker 9: Well, Steve, that's a sixty four million dollar question. I mean,
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Speaker 9: this is really low grade stuff from the alban A government.
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Speaker 9: They are not making any contribution to.
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Speaker 2: The Middle East at all.
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Speaker 9: This is all about gesture and performative politics for their
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Speaker 9: base in Australia and for managing the politics of the
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Speaker 9: left in Australia, and forgetting some brownie points with the
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Speaker 9: ABC to recognize a Palestinian state where no Palestinian state exists,
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Speaker 9: to recognize a Palestinian state without substantial negotiation with Israel.
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Speaker 9: To recognize a Palestinian state as a direct result of
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Speaker 9: the barbaric, unbelievable epoch marking savage terrorism of October seven
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Speaker 9: is just futile and counterproductive. Now I'm quite critical of
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Speaker 9: Israel's conduct in Gaza in the last few months. I
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Speaker 9: think it's been futile and Israel is losing a great
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Speaker 9: deal internationally, and it's encompassing a humanitarian tragedy in Gaza.
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Speaker 9: But this does nothing to addres the humanitarian tragedy in Gaza,
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Speaker 9: and it makes no useful contribution.
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Speaker 2: It's a great reward for Hamas.
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Speaker 9: Hammas can look at every moderate in the Palestinian territory
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Speaker 9: and say, look what you've got. You got nothing. We
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Speaker 9: went and killed twelve hundred Jews and looked. The world
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Speaker 9: has rewarded us with formal recognition of a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 9: That's what the Albanese government is signing up for in
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Speaker 9: this instance.
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Speaker 1: And who would the leader be of this Palestinian state, Well,
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Speaker 1: there is no leader, Steve, nothing will happen.
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Speaker 9: You know, the Soviet Bloc recognized a Palestinian state decades ago,
21:37
Speaker 9: and it didn't lead to the establishment of a Palestinian state. Canberra,
21:42
Speaker 9: recognizing a Palestinian state today, tomorrow or in six months
21:46
Speaker 9: time won't lead to the establishment of a Palestinian state. Moreover,
21:50
Speaker 9: the Prime Minister, in a spasm of common sense a
21:53
Speaker 9: couple of weeks ago, said there would be some conditions
21:56
Speaker 9: on it, such as that Hummas would have no role,
21:59
Speaker 9: that it couldn't be a threat to Israel and so on. Well,
22:02
Speaker 9: if those conditions are met, that's great. But if those
22:07
Speaker 9: conditions are not met, the Albanesi government says it's still
22:10
Speaker 9: going to recognize a Palestinian state anyway, because it says
22:13
Speaker 9: it's when, not if, and it's obviously doing it in
22:16
Speaker 9: concert with these other nations. Now those conditions won't be met,
22:20
Speaker 9: the terrorist groups will still be attacking Israel, there won't
22:24
Speaker 9: be an eradication of Hamas and all the rest of it.
22:29
Speaker 9: There won't be democratic reform in the Palestinian authority, and
22:32
Speaker 9: you can.
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Speaker 2: Just bank on that.
22:34
Speaker 9: But that won't cause our government to pause for a
22:37
Speaker 9: single second. Because this is all about gesture politics and
22:41
Speaker 9: the management of the left in Merrickville and Glebe and
22:46
Speaker 9: Richmond and what have you. It's got nothing at all
22:49
Speaker 9: to do with making any positive contribution in the Middle East,
22:53
Speaker 9: and it is morally vacuous.
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Speaker 1: Well said Greg, one hundred percent, thanks for joining us again.
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Speaker 1: Soon that's Greg Sheridan there, a foreign editor with The Australian.
23:03
Speaker 2: Coming up.
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Speaker 1: We speak to an alleged victim of a vicious machete
23:06
Speaker 1: attack and how the horror has changed this man's life
23:09
Speaker 1: forever and what is the state government actually doing to
23:13
Speaker 1: stop the youth crime spiral that we have in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: That's next.
23:22
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Price with you filling in for Peter.
23:24
Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: It's no secret of course at Victoria and many other
23:27
Speaker 1: states and areas around Australia are in the group of
23:29
Speaker 1: a dreadful youth crime crisis. It seems to me to
23:32
Speaker 1: be more violent here in Victoria. But what are the
23:35
Speaker 1: implications for anybody who gets caught up in this sort
23:39
Speaker 1: of madness? Now a warning, some of the images you
23:43
Speaker 1: are about to see are pretty confronting. So rab annon
23:47
Speaker 1: And was lucky to survive what is an alleged machete
23:51
Speaker 1: attack last month. He almost lost his hand, his left hand,
23:56
Speaker 1: all for his mobile phone.
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Speaker 2: It was a robbery.
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Speaker 1: Four teenagers have been charged with the fences ranging from
24:02
Speaker 1: assault to that robbery. So Rab's story is pretty harrowing.
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Speaker 1: I spoke to him earlier. So Rab, welcome to the show.
24:13
Speaker 1: I know how hard this is. Can you explain to
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Speaker 1: me and the audience exactly what happened on that day?
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Speaker 10: Thank you so much for reaching out to me today.
24:25
Speaker 10: It was a horrid experience that I faced on the
24:28
Speaker 10: nineteenth of July. On that horrible evening when I came
24:32
Speaker 10: out of the shopping center, that Centersco shopping center in
24:35
Speaker 10: altonameadows my grandma medicine for my fever, and I came
24:40
Speaker 10: out of the shopping center and I was over a
24:42
Speaker 10: phone with my friend and walk passed beside them, and
24:45
Speaker 10: I have wounds over my liver, had a spleen and
24:50
Speaker 10: a spine fracture because of the fall, concussions in my head,
24:53
Speaker 10: and that's when the machete went through my wrist, completely
24:58
Speaker 10: slatting off my hand. My hand was literally hanging by
25:01
Speaker 10: the skin of it. I had all the broken bones
25:05
Speaker 10: in my arms, all the muscles, tendons, and and thenovese
25:09
Speaker 10: got damage in my wrist and the bones were cut
25:11
Speaker 10: off there as well. There's an injury on between my
25:16
Speaker 10: thumb and index finger. There's a huge fracture there as well,
25:20
Speaker 10: also a very very horrific experience for me to go through.
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Speaker 1: I can see your hand there is in a like
25:28
Speaker 1: a black glove. It was originally reported. I remember that
25:34
Speaker 1: you may have lost your hand, that it might have
25:36
Speaker 1: had to be amputated. How close was it to you
25:39
Speaker 1: losing that hand.
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Speaker 10: I would have actually lost my hand. It was dark close.
25:48
Speaker 10: It was literally hanging by the skin of my hand.
25:53
Speaker 10: When I remember that horrific moment, are wake up in tears.
25:58
Speaker 10: I am crying every and I'd remembering that horrific incident.
26:02
Speaker 10: And my hand was not just got at one place,
26:05
Speaker 10: it was literally slarged from multiple places or multiple locations
26:09
Speaker 10: in my arm.
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Speaker 2: That's going to destroy your ability to work.
26:14
Speaker 1: Just finally, what would you say if you could speak
26:17
Speaker 1: to the premiere of Victoria about what her government is
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Speaker 1: or isn't doing.
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Speaker 10: I would always a government to understand the bleed and
26:27
Speaker 10: the pain and the trauma that the victims goes to
26:30
Speaker 10: when these attacks happen. I'm not a lawmaker or an
26:34
Speaker 10: advocate for creating an entirely new, different stream of laws
26:37
Speaker 10: that would prevent these attacks. To happen. That's for the
26:40
Speaker 10: government to take into consideration and make sure that Victorias
26:43
Speaker 10: are safer state moving forward. But as a victim of crime,
26:47
Speaker 10: I would say is that at least hear us out.
26:50
Speaker 10: We are valued members of this community and this country,
26:55
Speaker 10: and it's not our all that we are at this place.
26:57
Speaker 10: And I am at disposition right now in my life.
27:00
Speaker 10: I don't even know what my future looks like tomorrow.
27:04
Speaker 10: I'm a sort of a guy who would actually plan
27:06
Speaker 10: his life for the next year or the next three
27:07
Speaker 10: years and work hard to achieve those goals and those
27:11
Speaker 10: plans in my life. But right now, I don't know
27:13
Speaker 10: what kind of support I'm going to get. I am
27:15
Speaker 10: looking for physical care support. I'm looking for mental health support.
27:20
Speaker 10: I am already going through PDSD.
27:24
Speaker 2: I have no work.
27:25
Speaker 10: I don't know where the next toil it comes in from.
27:28
Speaker 10: My visa is exploring next month. I yours future life
27:31
Speaker 10: of sponsor visas from my workplace. But if I'm out
27:35
Speaker 10: of work, how can I get any sponsorship or anyone
27:37
Speaker 10: to hire me? And I'm looking for I'm looking for
27:41
Speaker 10: some justice, to be honest, I'm looking for justice. I'm
27:44
Speaker 10: looking for medical care and all I see is that
27:48
Speaker 10: there is some accountability moving forward by the government and
27:51
Speaker 10: the people who did this, and that is what I
27:54
Speaker 10: can ask for from the government, to be fair, to
27:56
Speaker 10: be us, and to treat me like a citizen here
28:00
Speaker 10: and help me get back my life on my feet
28:03
Speaker 10: and in my life again. Please, if they could do,
28:05
Speaker 10: don't well.
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Speaker 1: You deserve that help, You deserve the support you deserve,
28:10
Speaker 1: the mental health support you deserve, the physical support you deserve,
28:14
Speaker 1: in my view, some compensation for what's happened to you.
28:17
Speaker 1: And let's hope our discussion tonight might be able to
28:21
Speaker 1: help you get some of that. Sir rub thank you
28:22
Speaker 1: very much for talking to us. Thank you so much,
28:28
Speaker 1: what a heartbreaking story. Joining us now to discuss that
28:31
Speaker 1: alleged attack against sub and the broader implications of youth
28:35
Speaker 1: crime which is just out of control in Victoria. Is
28:37
Speaker 1: state liberal MP more deeming more welcome to the program.
28:42
Speaker 1: We could see from that interview how affected Sab has been.
28:46
Speaker 2: You went, you.
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Speaker 11: Visited him, absolutely, He's my constituent and I saw it
28:52
Speaker 11: in the news like everybody else, and I was completely horrified.
28:55
Speaker 11: He reached out and I went over to visit him,
28:58
Speaker 11: and it was just it was just incredible. I don't
29:02
Speaker 11: know how he's even coping at all. It's unimaginable what
29:05
Speaker 11: he's gone through. Those are defensive wounds. He was protecting
29:09
Speaker 11: his neck.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the important reason for talking to a victim
29:15
Speaker 1: like that, and to talk to you about it, is
29:17
Speaker 1: that we hear over and over and over again instances
29:20
Speaker 1: of violent crime with weapons. These are allegations at this stage,
29:26
Speaker 1: but until you speak to someone who's actually been involved,
29:30
Speaker 1: you don't realize the impact on someone's life.
29:33
Speaker 11: That's right, and he's not alone in this experience, and
29:37
Speaker 11: the fear that has spread throughout the community is pervasive,
29:41
Speaker 11: and victorians have been gas lip by this government and
29:44
Speaker 11: actually treated as those they are bigots or snobs for
29:47
Speaker 11: having genuine fears which clearly are not unfounded by the
29:52
Speaker 11: fact that this is a lawless state.
29:55
Speaker 2: It is a lawless state.
29:56
Speaker 1: I mean that shopping center where that alleged event took place,
30:00
Speaker 1: you don't expect to go there and when you walk
30:02
Speaker 1: out with your phone suddenly be said upon and that
30:06
Speaker 1: could happen to any of us. I mean, these people
30:10
Speaker 1: who are involved in these incidents, it clearly they don't
30:14
Speaker 1: care who they attack.
30:16
Speaker 11: Why would they Where are the consequences? I mean, they've
30:20
Speaker 11: the government spent thirteen million dollars on these machete boxes,
30:23
Speaker 11: which is basically begging violent criminals to hand over their
30:27
Speaker 11: weapons or else.
30:28
Speaker 1: But or else.
30:29
Speaker 11: What you know, under labor the criminals run this state
30:33
Speaker 11: and everybody knows it.
30:35
Speaker 2: I mentioned last RIGHTA.
30:36
Speaker 1: That's a ridiculous idea to presume that someone a teenager
30:39
Speaker 1: of fourteen or fifteen is going to say, Mum, we
30:41
Speaker 1: need to go down to the local police station because
30:43
Speaker 1: I'm going to drop off no MACHETI there's a CCTV
30:46
Speaker 1: camera there. As if they're going to do that, the
30:48
Speaker 1: only people handing in machetes will be an old gardener
30:50
Speaker 1: who thinks it's probably a good idea to get rid
30:52
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, we go back, though, don't we
30:54
Speaker 1: to magistrates and judges that the legal system at the
31:00
Speaker 1: of the state Labor government has gone soft on incarcerating youngsters.
31:06
Speaker 11: That's right, and it makes their numbers look better for
31:09
Speaker 11: a little while. But the fact is that we absolutely
31:13
Speaker 11: need to implement all of the changes that Baton and
31:16
Speaker 11: the Liberals have proposed, fixing the bail system, backing our
31:18
Speaker 11: police funding, the courts, all these backlogs. You know, justice
31:23
Speaker 11: delayed is justice denied. It's just out of control and
31:28
Speaker 11: it's honestly, the human carnage is disgraceful and Labor should
31:33
Speaker 11: be ashamed.
31:35
Speaker 1: Do you think anybody within the wider Labor party and
31:40
Speaker 1: in Parliament understands this?
31:43
Speaker 11: Absolutely, they know what's going on. I don't know how
31:49
Speaker 11: they stand up every day in Parliament and show their
31:53
Speaker 11: faces out in public. I have found it amazing that
31:57
Speaker 11: they have no shame.
32:01
Speaker 1: It's a frightening thing to think that people are probably
32:05
Speaker 1: not going to places thinking they may not be safe.
32:08
Speaker 11: Well, I'm not letting my children out on public transport.
32:12
Speaker 11: You know. They love to do selfies and announce a
32:14
Speaker 11: bus route or a new train station, even if it's
32:17
Speaker 11: ten meters short, things like that. But these are curated
32:20
Speaker 11: photo ops. In real life, people out in the Western
32:23
Speaker 11: suburbs and all across Victoria are terrified. We're always worried
32:26
Speaker 11: that our children or our partners are whether or not
32:28
Speaker 11: they'll get home at night. It's out of control, and
32:34
Speaker 11: instead of actually doing anything to reel it in, they're
32:36
Speaker 11: wasting money on these ridiculous virtue signaling publicity stunts.
32:41
Speaker 1: Your new leader, Brad Baton, he said, there's a prison office.
32:43
Speaker 1: He said, as a policeman, if anybody in the state
32:45
Speaker 1: is going to understand how this can be fixed, it
32:50
Speaker 1: would be him. Because if you were to win government
32:52
Speaker 1: in November next year, he's got a new police commissioner
32:55
Speaker 1: that just sent Allen is installed, Brad Baton will be
32:58
Speaker 1: able to talk to him face to face. As a colleague,
33:02
Speaker 1: a former police officer, do you have confidence that Brad.
33:06
Speaker 2: Could do that?
33:07
Speaker 11: Absolutely? And the other thing about Brad is that he
33:09
Speaker 11: worked with youth as a police officer, So he's not
33:11
Speaker 11: without compassion, and he's not without wisdom, and he wants
33:15
Speaker 11: children like I do. He wants children to have a future.
33:18
Speaker 11: But it's not loving. We all know if you're a
33:20
Speaker 11: parent or you're a teacher, you know that it's not
33:22
Speaker 11: loving to children to let them get away with things endlessly.
33:25
Speaker 11: You're just pouring their life and their character down the drain.
33:28
Speaker 11: That's the worst thing you can do for young people
33:30
Speaker 11: if you care about them.
33:30
Speaker 1: It's finally on surrub Do we know whether he has
33:32
Speaker 1: any legal options? Does he have legal options to sue
33:36
Speaker 1: for compensation? I can't quite work out who he would sue,
33:40
Speaker 1: Would he sue the state, would he sue the shopping center?
33:42
Speaker 2: I don't know.
33:44
Speaker 11: I don't know either. But it's an absolute travesty that
33:47
Speaker 11: nobody in Labor has gone to visit him. It's a
33:49
Speaker 11: travesty that he's being ignored. And this happened on our watch.
33:54
Speaker 11: He was our guest and his whole future now totally destroyed.
34:01
Speaker 11: And he's terrified, and he's in a foreign in another country,
34:05
Speaker 11: and he's not being.
34:05
Speaker 1: Looked out and likely to be kicked out because his
34:08
Speaker 1: visa runs out. He's not going to be telling a
34:11
Speaker 1: very nice story to his friends when he gets back
34:13
Speaker 1: to his home country.
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Speaker 11: No, that's what he said, that he feels so traumatized
34:16
Speaker 11: that he actually wants his fellow countryman to know that
34:20
Speaker 11: it's not safe here. I mean imagine that.
34:22
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be good pr would it more redeeming?
34:24
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming inpreciating very much. Coming up after the break,
34:28
Speaker 1: yet another offshore wind project. Surprise, surprise, it's likely to
34:31
Speaker 1: be abandoned. What does that mean for Labour's renewable agenda? Well,
34:35
Speaker 1: who would know. Plus, the Treasurer claims artificial intelligence will
34:38
Speaker 1: be a game changer for the economy.
34:41
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you'd agree with that if you lose
34:43
Speaker 2: your job. That's after the break. Welcome back the great kel.
34:51
Speaker 1: Richard's coming up with a meaning of words. He's got
34:52
Speaker 1: some beauties tonight, so we'll get to that in a moment. First,
34:55
Speaker 1: so we've got a panel first up. One Nation Chief
34:57
Speaker 1: of Staff James Ashbury joins us in Sky News contributor
35:01
Speaker 1: Jamie Rogers. James Surprise, surprise, the oil and gas company
35:08
Speaker 1: Equinor expected to abandon plans for guess what, an offshore
35:12
Speaker 1: wind farm project near Newcastle. The government extended the deadline
35:17
Speaker 1: for its development license until the end of August. Equinor
35:21
Speaker 1: privately announced plans to withdraw from the project. Offshore win
35:25
Speaker 1: in this country. It would appear to me James is dead.
35:31
Speaker 12: It seems that way, and thank goodness because nobody who
35:34
Speaker 12: lives in that area wants those offshore wind turbines. Steve
35:38
Speaker 12: I did something a bit cheeky today. I went and
35:39
Speaker 12: looked up Chris Bowen's pecuniary interest. He has no investments
35:44
Speaker 12: in renewables for a bloke that loves this stuff, not
35:48
Speaker 12: a single investment in hydrogen hydro wind turbines or solar
35:54
Speaker 12: not one. So he's prepared to waste taxpayers money on
35:58
Speaker 12: these projects. Give extent mentions to these licenses. No one
36:02
Speaker 12: wants them because despite all the millions and billions of
36:06
Speaker 12: dollars of taxpayers money, these companies are starting to realize
36:10
Speaker 12: a social license. They're blown that and too they can't
36:14
Speaker 12: make any money out of them. This is why net
36:16
Speaker 12: zero's got to go. One nation is saying and will
36:19
Speaker 12: continue to say it, and Australia's commitment to net zero
36:23
Speaker 12: and we will solve a lot of these problems.
36:27
Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying, I reckon Chris Bowen might have a
36:30
Speaker 1: pretty smart financial advisor. That might be what that tells you,
36:33
Speaker 1: who would be advising people to put their own hard
36:37
Speaker 1: earned bucks into offshore wind projects that keep falling over Jamie.
36:41
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about Newcastle, we talk about the
36:44
Speaker 1: south coast of New South Wales, even gips Land and
36:48
Speaker 1: the coast of Victoria. All of these projects, no one's
36:51
Speaker 1: been able to make them add up. And yet and look,
36:54
Speaker 1: the people who live in those communities don't want to
36:56
Speaker 1: see that on the horizon. But the poor old farmers
36:59
Speaker 1: out in the bush, they've got no option. In Victoria,
37:02
Speaker 1: at least they're going to ram through the front, go
37:04
Speaker 1: to your property, stick these things up on your property,
37:06
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not.
37:09
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's really concerning, isn't it.
37:10
Speaker 4: Steve.
37:11
Speaker 13: It's certainly not looking great for this green energy transition
37:15
Speaker 13: for Chris Bowen and the Albanezy government with the news today,
37:18
Speaker 13: But it's not surprising when you consider the cost regarding
37:21
Speaker 13: the offshore wind farms. The CSIRO themselves said that they're
37:24
Speaker 13: thirty six percent more expensive to be offshore than what
37:27
Speaker 13: they are on the land. And I think to James's point,
37:31
Speaker 13: it's time that Chris Bowen takes his blinkers off and
37:34
Speaker 13: starts to look at other options like nuclear and lift
37:38
Speaker 13: that moratorium so that we can have a proper informed
37:41
Speaker 13: energy discussion and stop ruining our beautiful landscapes and farmers'
37:46
Speaker 13: land to be putting through all of these cable lines
37:49
Speaker 13: and these wind farms because they don't want it, and
37:52
Speaker 13: neither do those communities with the offshore wind farm. Nobody
37:55
Speaker 13: wants it, so it's time to start looking at other options.
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Speaker 1: So a question for you, James, with the coalition either
38:04
Speaker 1: side of it, the Nats or the Libs, have the
38:06
Speaker 1: courage to turn their back on net zero.
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Speaker 12: Do you think, Well, we've tested this on the floor
38:12
Speaker 12: of Parliament only a week ago, Steve. We put that
38:14
Speaker 12: motion up and only one Liberal and one National Party
38:18
Speaker 12: member had the courage to stay and vote against net zero.
38:22
Speaker 12: That was Matt Canavan and Alex Antik. And then on
38:25
Speaker 12: the other side of the bench all the Liberals walked
38:27
Speaker 12: out bar two and then they sided with Labor. So no,
38:31
Speaker 12: at this moment, Labor have managed to convince the Liberal
38:35
Speaker 12: Party and the National Party that they're keeping net zero.
38:38
Speaker 12: The problem too, is it was actually the coalition that
38:40
Speaker 12: introduced net zero to start with. They're the fools that
38:43
Speaker 12: kick this off, and shame on them. Look, I take
38:46
Speaker 12: my hat off to Matt Cannavan and Barnaby Joyce and
38:49
Speaker 12: Colin Boyce who've got the courage from the Nats to
38:51
Speaker 12: speak out, but they are not the majority of that
38:53
Speaker 12: party anymore. And only in New South Wales. The state
38:57
Speaker 12: politicians down there just passed new legislation this week. I
39:00
Speaker 12: think Barnaby Joyce is writing an opinion piece on this.
39:03
Speaker 12: They've allowed now for people to go and just walk
39:06
Speaker 12: onto farmer's lands down in New South Wales. So this
39:09
Speaker 12: problem is only getting worse. The National Party don't realize
39:12
Speaker 12: how much chaos they've caused both federally and state by
39:16
Speaker 12: passing that zero.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, labor in Victoria has got twelve thousand dollar fines
39:22
Speaker 1: if you don't open your gate to transmission line projects,
39:24
Speaker 1: which farmers are filthy about and they keep protesting about.
39:28
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to understand AI. I probably should do
39:31
Speaker 1: some more work on it. The Productivity Commission has reached
39:34
Speaker 1: release this report on AI, estimating it could inject one
39:38
Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen billion dollars into the Australian economy. Treasure
39:43
Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers has welcomed the report, claiming AI will quote
39:47
Speaker 1: be a game changer for our economy.
39:49
Speaker 2: Here he is.
39:51
Speaker 6: As the lead at rip crowd. There's the people who
39:53
Speaker 6: pretend that we can turn back the clock, that none
39:55
Speaker 6: of this is happening, pull the donner over over the head.
40:00
Speaker 6: Or there's our approach, which is a sensible middle path
40:03
Speaker 6: which recognizes the big economic upside of artificial intelligence without
40:07
Speaker 6: forgetting that our primary responsibility is to people and workers.
40:13
Speaker 1: Jamie, I'm not sure he'd be saying that if he
40:15
Speaker 1: was one of those thousands of people who are going
40:17
Speaker 1: to lose their jobs because of AI.
40:20
Speaker 13: Well, Steeve, if I think AI is like any technology
40:23
Speaker 13: that we've seen throughout the decades that as things improve
40:27
Speaker 13: that unfortunately jobs are lost, but at the same time
40:30
Speaker 13: new jobs are also created. To that article that you
40:33
Speaker 13: just showed before, that yes, over the next decade, our
40:36
Speaker 13: economy is likely to see a boost of one hundred
40:38
Speaker 13: and sixteen billion, but also productivity is expected to increase
40:41
Speaker 13: by four point three percent. I like AI and I
40:44
Speaker 13: think it's certainly got some incredible tools, and the smarter
40:47
Speaker 13: it gets, the more that you can use it. For
40:50
Speaker 13: the one concern that I have regarding the Albanesi government
40:53
Speaker 13: and something like AI ahead of this productivity round table,
40:57
Speaker 13: it's just ensuring that they don't give the union the
41:00
Speaker 13: power to be able to oversee what businesses can and
41:04
Speaker 13: can't do when it comes to investment with AI. We
41:06
Speaker 13: don't want to see tougher IR laws around that space.
41:10
Speaker 13: And also today it was quite well documented just about
41:12
Speaker 13: the whole copyright laws issues and making sure that these
41:16
Speaker 13: big tech companies are paying for the use of your
41:19
Speaker 13: poetry or your songs you might have written, because while
41:22
Speaker 13: they're training the AI tools they're using all of this
41:26
Speaker 13: data from around the globe. So just trying to find
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Speaker 13: a balance between in strengthening our copyright laws just to
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Speaker 13: ensure that all your work is continue to be used
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Speaker 13: and making sure that we protect those content creators, but
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Speaker 13: we also want to ensure that we're not putting too
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Speaker 13: much red tape around the industry because we don't want
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Speaker 13: Australia to get left behind as the world is using
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Speaker 13: this and it's not going anywhere anytime soon, seeb It's
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Speaker 13: just going to keep getting bigger and bigger. So you
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Speaker 13: need to go and download the chat GPT app.
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Speaker 1: Well, James is one of those content creators. I mean
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Speaker 1: the thing that worries me is AI comes along just
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Speaker 1: scoops up all the material that people. You know, I
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Speaker 1: write for the Heralds on newspaper. The News Limited pous
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Speaker 1: huge amounts of money into producing papers on a daily basis.
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Speaker 1: They pay me to write a column. AI just comes
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Speaker 1: along and all of these other big social media companies
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Speaker 1: and just rips it off and you know, we don't
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Speaker 1: get paid a cent for it.
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Speaker 12: No, that's exactly right, and people are already doing that.
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Speaker 12: You can actually do that today. I don't want to
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Speaker 12: give trade secrets away, but there are kids already not
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Speaker 12: buying subscriptions to certain newspapers and getting that content for
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Speaker 12: free by using it. The other thing about AI is
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Speaker 12: it's extraordinarily hungry when it comes to energy, so again
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Speaker 12: it goes to the heart of the energy transition. It's
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Speaker 12: never going to meet the needs of a developing AI.
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Speaker 12: I had a high school principal when I was much younger, Steve,
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Speaker 12: who said to my parents when I hit grade eight,
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Speaker 12: because they were very convinced I had to go into
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Speaker 12: a particular trade at that time, and that head master said,
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Speaker 12: by the time he finishes grade twelve, there will be
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Speaker 12: jobs in the future that we have never heard of
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Speaker 12: today by the time he graduates grade twelve, and that
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Speaker 12: was very true. We're going to see the same thing
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Speaker 12: progress at a rapid rate for kids that are only
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Speaker 12: entering school age now.
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Speaker 2: By the time they.
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Speaker 12: Hit high school, we can't imagine the types of jobs
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Speaker 12: that will still require that human injection rather than artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my teacher wrote him a report card that I
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Speaker 1: was a busy body and needed to mind my own business.
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Speaker 1: So I went out and became a journalist, which probably
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Speaker 1: worked out fairly well in the end, Jamie James, thank
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Speaker 1: you very much for joining us. We'll see you again
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Speaker 1: next week as I continue to fill in for Peter
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Speaker 1: coming up after the break. He's the man of words,
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Speaker 1: Kel Richards planned them to get through tonight. Welcome back
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Speaker 1: to Minder Andrew Boll coming up next now every Wednesday night,
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Speaker 1: the Man of many Words joins Peter Kredlin and he's
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Speaker 1: here with us tonight, broadcaster, wordsmith and gentleman Kel Richards.
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Speaker 1: Always good to see you. Do you worry that AI
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Speaker 1: is going to take your job?
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Speaker 2: I could?
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Speaker 14: I mean, there was a big piece in the paper
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Speaker 14: this morning about Australian copyright law is suddenly being wiped out,
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Speaker 14: so I can have it all. I've had sixty four
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Speaker 14: books published. I'll lose them all. Yeah, we'll be right, Kel.
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Speaker 14: We've got personality and characters, so we'll be okay. Rodney's
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Speaker 14: got a question for you, what is the origin of
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Speaker 14: Blue Murder? Apart from it being a wonderful ABC TV series,
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Speaker 14: what is Blue Murder? Blue Murder goes back to the
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Speaker 14: eighteen hundreds and actually the idea of connecting emotions with
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Speaker 14: colors is a very old one, probably goes back to
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Speaker 14: the birth of language. We talk about being white, with
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Speaker 14: white with rage, green with envy, seeing red if you
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Speaker 14: become angry or tickled pink. So the idea of connecting
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Speaker 14: blue the cry blue murder is a cry of anguish
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Speaker 14: or a shout of alarm or something. The idea of
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Speaker 14: connecting blue with murder, the ox things, probably comes from
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Speaker 14: the French word mer blur, and the Oxford thinks people
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Speaker 14: who Englishmen who didn't understand French just took mer blur
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Speaker 14: to mean blue murder, and that's the way they connected
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Speaker 14: blue with murder and a cry of anguish. In fact,
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Speaker 14: more blur means I think my French is not brilliant,
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Speaker 14: but I think it means by thunder. So it's a
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Speaker 14: bit of a cry of alarm for the French too.
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Speaker 14: But that's where the Oxford things that comes from. It's
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Speaker 14: an odd connection blue and murder, but that's possibly its source.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, French, your French is much better than mine. Blue,
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Speaker 1: of course, is also used in the context of I'm
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Speaker 1: feeling a bit blue today.
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Speaker 14: Yes, there's a whole industry of blues musicians who are
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Speaker 14: very blue all the time and sing about it endlessly.
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Speaker 1: Connie asks us for the origin and the expression Jack Robinson.
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Speaker 2: Is that a person?
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Speaker 14: That's a good question, and we all wonder about that.
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Speaker 14: It's actually quite old, going back to seventeen sixty three,
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Speaker 14: so it's a very old expression, and it is, as
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Speaker 14: you said, it's a metaphor for quickness, you know, before
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Speaker 14: you can say Jack Robinson. But again the Oxford English Dictionary,
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Speaker 14: my ultimate authority on these things, assures me there never
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Speaker 14: was one person named Jack Robinson. They say it was
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Speaker 14: just a combination of the most common male Christian name,
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Speaker 14: John D. Jack, with what was a very common surname
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Speaker 14: at the time, Robinson, And there was no reason for
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Speaker 14: them being especially combined. It was just sort of before
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Speaker 14: you can say the name, it's all over. It was
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Speaker 14: that idea, and they settled on what they thought was
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Speaker 14: a common name. So it's a bit of folklore.
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Speaker 2: I suppose.
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Speaker 1: I've been accused of, occasionally, not very often, going over
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Speaker 1: the top. Adam asked, when do we start saying he's
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Speaker 1: over the top?
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Speaker 14: In nineteen thirty five, that's when it goes back to
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Speaker 14: and it does mean excessive, But probably the nineteen thirty
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Speaker 14: five expression really was picking up on an earlier expression
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Speaker 14: from the trenches of the First World War, because that
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Speaker 14: was when over the top. Actually it was an instruction
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Speaker 14: to soldiers to go over the top of the trench
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Speaker 14: and into battle, which I'm pretty certain, Steve, they always
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Speaker 14: thought was an excessive order, and over the top probably
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Speaker 14: goes back to that.
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Speaker 1: As you know, I'm a golfer. A friend of mine
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Speaker 1: has spent his entire forty years playing the game thinking
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Speaker 1: that when I hit a dreadful shot and scream four,
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Speaker 1: that I was meaning the number four, not fore.
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Speaker 2: Can you please explain.
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Speaker 14: Yes, this goes back to seventeen eighty seventeen seventy eight
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Speaker 14: comes from Scotland, where the game, of course was invented,
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Speaker 14: as you know, and four is an abbreviation of before,
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Speaker 14: and the word before is an abbreviation of a whole phrase,
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Speaker 14: watch out before. The problem is if you shout the
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Speaker 14: whole phrase by the time he said watch out before,
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Speaker 14: the bloke on the next fairway has already been bonked
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Speaker 14: on the head by your ball, so it's shortened to
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Speaker 14: a single syllable and you just cry out four.
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Speaker 1: I know I can explain that to the golf club
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Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. Gordon writes, in Texas, the Republican governor governor
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Speaker 1: is drawing electoral boundaries and the Democrats are accusing him
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Speaker 1: of creating a jerrymander, which, of course we had our
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Speaker 1: own gerrymander back in the day in Queensland.
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Speaker 14: Well, a jerrymandering means fudging the boundaries of electorates so
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Speaker 14: that it favors one party and not another. Goes back
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Speaker 14: to eighten twelve. The word was coined by a Massachusetts
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Speaker 14: newspaper editor. The Massachusetts governor at the time was richest Jerry,
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Speaker 14: and he did a bit of this. And so the
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Speaker 14: new electoral map came out and there was one strange
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Speaker 14: electorate that was an odd shape. It looked like, said
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Speaker 14: the editor, a salamander. But Governor Elridg Jerry thought of
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Speaker 14: it so be a jerrymander.
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Speaker 1: I get it now, Thank you, Kel. I'll see you
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Speaker 1: next week. Andrew boltop next