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Normally Podcast: A Welcome Mat for Offenders? · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, friends, Normy's countrymen. Here we are on Normally,
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Speaker 1: the show with normal it takes for when the news
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Speaker 1: gets weird. I'm Mary calthery.
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Speaker 2: Ham and I'm Carol Markowitz. The news is once again weird,
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Speaker 2: Mary Catherine. The San Diego Board.
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Speaker 3: Of Supervisors voted.
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Speaker 2: Three to one yesterday to restrict the use of county
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Speaker 2: resources for federal immigration enforcement. And from what I understand,
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Speaker 2: that means that they are welcoming illegal immigrants. They're not
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Speaker 2: going to help the federal government deal with the legal immigrants,
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Speaker 2: even if those illegal immigrants are criminals, and they're going
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Speaker 2: to be standing in ICE's way as they try to
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Speaker 2: fix the problem.
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Speaker 1: Right. And it's it's a three person board that voted
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Speaker 1: this way, and I believe they seem similarly, and there's
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Speaker 1: one Republican. And the thing is, I truly don't understand this.
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Speaker 1: I often try not to just describe absolutely nuts to
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Speaker 1: people's decision making, but this is something that will protect
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Speaker 1: people who are accused or apprehended of violent crimes a rape,
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Speaker 1: of assaults. And they're just like, no, not only are
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Speaker 1: we not going to help, we're like welcoming this. This
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Speaker 1: is putting out a welcome mat for this specific type
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Speaker 1: of offender. And it does nothing for the people you
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Speaker 1: are charged with protecting except possibly hurt them and make
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Speaker 1: them pay money to keep people there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and another thing is that California swung read this time.
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Speaker 3: In a big way. Obviously it's still a super blue.
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Speaker 2: State, but San Diego County swung red. And it's like
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Speaker 2: they didn't understand what people meant with their votes. And
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Speaker 2: I understand again, it's not the majority. Okay, you could say, oh,
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Speaker 2: the majority still wants blue policies, but you can't look
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Speaker 2: at to move to the right across the country towards
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Speaker 2: Trump and in California and in San Diego County and
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Speaker 2: say no, we're going to keep doing things the way we've.
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Speaker 3: Been doing things. It's totally fine.
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Speaker 1: The San Diego County sheriff, who has something to say
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Speaker 1: about this, as Kelly Martinez announced. According to Bill Malusian,
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Speaker 1: who's a great reporter at Fox and thanks to him
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Speaker 1: for doing all the immigration and border reporting for years.
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Speaker 1: She announces she will not adhere to the super sanctuary policy,
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Speaker 1: which is what they dubbed this approved by the San
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Speaker 1: Diego County Board of the Supervisors today pointing out that
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Speaker 1: she is an independently elected official, the board does not
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Speaker 1: set policy for her office, and she has exclusive authority
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Speaker 1: over county jails. She adds that California state law is
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Speaker 1: clear on when local law enforcement can cooperate with ICE,
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Speaker 1: and that there is no loophole in the law as
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Speaker 1: claimed by Nora Vargas, the Democrat chair of the San
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Speaker 1: Diego County Supervisors who introduced the policy. So it's nice
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Speaker 1: to see the coequal folks stick up for themselves and
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Speaker 1: claim their power, which is what Martinez seems to be
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Speaker 1: doing here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't understand it either.
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Speaker 2: I think that Okay, let's say you are extremely soft
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Speaker 2: on immigration. You think that borders are nonsense or anything
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Speaker 2: like that. Fine, I know I've heard this from from
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Speaker 2: libertarians and from leftists. Okay, most people aren't like that.
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Speaker 2: Most people believe in some sort of border. What they're
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Speaker 2: saying here is even the criminals, even the people who
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Speaker 2: came in illegally and went on to commit another crime, Still,
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Speaker 2: we're not going to kick those people out.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's where.
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Speaker 2: I think they're losing the majority of people. I don't
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Speaker 2: think that there are many defenders of No, let's keep
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Speaker 2: illegal immigrant criminals in our country, and I don't know
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Speaker 2: who this vote is really speaking to because of that.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's a headline from the Atlantic Apparently the San
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Speaker 1: Diego Democrats didn't get the memo. Why Democrats got the
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Speaker 1: politics of immigrations so wrong for so long, they spent
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Speaker 1: more than a decade left on the issue to win
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Speaker 1: Latino votes. It may have cost them the White House twice.
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Speaker 1: And not only that, but as we've talked about, it's
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Speaker 1: costing them Latino votes right. Steve Kornaki revealed who's a
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Speaker 1: numbers guy NBC who's really good at delving into the
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Speaker 1: nitty gritty of exit polling and all the results. He
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Speaker 1: looked to New Jersey to all the cities or towns
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Speaker 1: where Hispanics account for more than seventy percent of the
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Speaker 1: population and found that in each of them, the margin
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Speaker 1: moved at least twenty points in Trump's direction compared to
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. This is not something you can just write
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Speaker 1: off as fake or whatever the new word they're using
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Speaker 1: is what was the one they used on the Biden videos.
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Speaker 1: What was the one they came up with for that white.
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Speaker 3: Adjacent's I don't know that's another word, cheap fakes.
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Speaker 1: This is not a cheap ing phenomenon. This is not
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Speaker 1: white adjacent c this is not white supremacy. This is
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Speaker 1: people reacting to not being protected by their governments and
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Speaker 1: feeling like there is chaos at the least right.
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Speaker 2: So Axios had a whole thing also where California and
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Speaker 2: Latinos are specifically moving to the right, and they're really
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Speaker 2: affecting change there. They're credited with several Republican House seats.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just you're ignoring the.
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Speaker 2: Big picture here at the peril of your party. Fine,
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Speaker 2: you want to keep doing these crazy things, keep doing them.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be electorally advantageous to
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Speaker 2: the Democrats in the long run. They can maybe in
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Speaker 2: the short run keep this.
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Speaker 3: Kind of thing up.
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Speaker 2: But you know, like we said last time, there's a
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Speaker 2: vibe shift. The vibe shift has arrived. People have had
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Speaker 2: enough of the nonsense.
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Speaker 1: Well, and when Trump talked about it to Kristin Walker
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Speaker 1: of NBC for Meet the Press, he did like a
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Speaker 1: seventy five minute sit down with her, and she asked
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Speaker 1: him about immigration. Look, this is something that very clearly
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Speaker 1: he ran on, very clearly. People knew what they were getting,
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Speaker 1: and she says, there, you know, are you really going
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Speaker 1: to do the mass deportation? And he said what most
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Speaker 1: Americans agree with, Well, we're going to start with the
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Speaker 1: criminals and then we're going to get to the rest
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Speaker 1: of it. And then he even was like added the
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Speaker 1: idea that there could be exemptions for dreamers, people who
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Speaker 1: came here not of their.
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Speaker 3: Trump almost did that last time.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah, I think she was expecting him to
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Speaker 1: sound more apocalyptic and problematic, and in the parts where
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Speaker 1: she thought he did, most Americans agree with him, and
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Speaker 1: then largely he didn't sound yeah, problematic.
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Speaker 2: Well, as we've said on this show several times, Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump is a moderate and anyone who thinks otherwise has
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Speaker 2: not been paying attention. He is a moderate, and he
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Speaker 2: is even a moderate on the issue of immigration, where
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Speaker 2: he's seen as this far out radical. It's not radical
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Speaker 2: to say people who.
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Speaker 3: Enter the country illegally should be removed.
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything crazy about that.
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Speaker 3: I think most Americans would agree with that. So again,
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Speaker 3: start with the criminals. See where it goes.
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Speaker 2: And the arguments from the left are so offensive.
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Speaker 3: Like who's going to pick your fruit? Who's going to
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Speaker 3: clean your toilets?
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Speaker 2: Like, I'm sorry, are we really importing an underclass of
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Speaker 2: people that are paid less than minimum wage? And you
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Speaker 2: think this is okay as a liberal if.
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Speaker 1: That one doesn't work for me, that argument doesn't work
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Speaker 1: for me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with not doing that.
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Speaker 1: Let's not do that. Yeah. Well, and it speaks to
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Speaker 1: the arguments of someone like a Josh Holly who makes
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Speaker 1: a populist argument that illegal immigration drives down wages for Americans. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's something that American voters are very willing to
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Speaker 1: listen to. So yeah, I think the more that the
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Speaker 1: crazy townships and cities and blue areas fight Trump, especially
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Speaker 1: on the jail stuff, the criminal stuff, it's not going
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Speaker 1: to go well for them.
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Speaker 2: Right, No sex changes for criminal illegal immigrants was Trump's
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Speaker 2: whole thing filost exchanges and also maybe you know, kicking
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Speaker 2: them out.
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Speaker 1: By the way, when we talk about people who are
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Speaker 1: soft on immigration, I used to be one of them, right.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that I saw sauced on it, but
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Speaker 3: I was softer.
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Speaker 1: Eactly like I think I was probably more middle of
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Speaker 1: the road, a little what they would call squishy. If
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Speaker 1: you're a if you're a conservative who's a hardliner and immigration,
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Speaker 1: and like, look, they turned me into a hard liner.
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Speaker 1: I looked at the chaos and was like, nah, nah,
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Speaker 1: I project this right.
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Speaker 2: It just it became too blatant, and and also just
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Speaker 2: the quantity, the quantity became so insane. I have a
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Speaker 2: normy sister in law who's definitely not listening to this
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Speaker 2: because she doesn't listen to, you know, political podcasts, because normies.
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Speaker 3: But she in the last few.
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Speaker 2: Weeks has been sending me kind of like, is this migrant.
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Speaker 3: Thing really happening?
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Speaker 2: Like this, they wait, they take flights with no id
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Speaker 2: at all, Like if I forget my idea, I can't
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Speaker 2: get on the plane, but please right this way. And
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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, this is this is a real thing.
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Speaker 2: And then she started noticing the numbers and this is
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Speaker 2: literally like in the last few weeks, she's like, have
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Speaker 2: you heard of this migrant crisis?
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes I have. Well, and I think that's part
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Speaker 1: of it too, when you start to notice that illegal
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Speaker 1: immigrants are getting things that citizens would never get, put
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Speaker 1: up at a hotel for months at a time, right
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Speaker 1: flown around the country on the dime of the government.
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Speaker 1: I've never been flown anywhere by the US government. No,
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Speaker 1: and many others are One of my least favorite stories
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Speaker 1: infamous stories was during COVID there was a story about
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Speaker 1: teachers in la public school, teachers who were not teaching
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Speaker 1: in person in regular schools going to teach at migrant shelters.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And when people see illegal immigrants being getting better treatment
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Speaker 1: than they have gotten right from the public systems they're
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Speaker 1: paying for, that ticks them off, right.
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Speaker 3: And look, I'm an immigrant.
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Speaker 2: I was a refugee to this country. Let me tell
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Speaker 2: you there was absolutely no government dole or anything.
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Speaker 3: When you got here.
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Speaker 2: It was like somebody had to promise to take care
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Speaker 2: of you. So if you couldn't take care of yourself,
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Speaker 2: you had a sponsor who signed a document saying that
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Speaker 2: they were going to provide for all of your needs.
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Speaker 2: And you were not going to get on welfare, you
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Speaker 2: were not going to get any kind of funding from
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Speaker 2: the government. And that's how it used to work. There
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Speaker 2: used to be a process, And that's the thing I
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Speaker 2: think that most Americans, if they saw an immigration process,
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Speaker 2: would be for it. There is no process. It's whoever
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Speaker 2: cuts in front of the line. You know, one thing,
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Speaker 2: my mother's sister stayed in Russia. She had already had
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Speaker 2: a son and grandkids, and she just wasn't leaving with us.
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Speaker 1: But she would.
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Speaker 2: She came to visit one time in my entire life,
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Speaker 2: and every other time she was denied entry because it
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Speaker 2: was the assumption that she would just stay right. She
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Speaker 2: had family here, she had opportunity. Why would she go
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Speaker 2: back to Russia. She wouldn't have. But okay, she couldn't come.
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Speaker 2: But if she flew to Mexico and walked across the border,
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Speaker 2: come right in, let us.
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Speaker 1: Give you some fun. You know.
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Speaker 2: She died a few years ago, having only visited us
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Speaker 2: one time ever. And that's what happens when you follow
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Speaker 2: the rules. When you don't follow the rules, you get
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Speaker 2: whatever you want.
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Speaker 3: Nobody likes. That will be right back on normally.
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Speaker 1: You know. It's another thing that nobody likes, at least
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Speaker 1: on this show, because we're normal. The glorification of the
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Speaker 1: and the drooling over the apprehended suspect in the shooting,
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Speaker 1: the execution style shooting of Brian Thompson, the head of
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Speaker 1: United Healthcare. That's right. The suspect's name is Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 1: He seems to having having arrested at a McDonald's in
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and brought into custody. He yelled at reporters nothing
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Speaker 1: that sounded like a denial of his involvement, and in
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Speaker 1: fact sort of affirmed that the reasons that he might
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Speaker 1: have done this. And so I think we can safely
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Speaker 1: assume this is the guy. But he's a good looking
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Speaker 1: young man, right and the I think is okay outpouring
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Speaker 1: of fandom for him, The numbers he's racked up on
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Speaker 1: social media gross, The just outward drooling over him is
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Speaker 1: so gross. And I think this minute from Jimmy Kimmel's show,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do too much of it because
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Speaker 1: I don't want to glorify it either, is indicative of
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Speaker 1: what we're seeing. And this is where I'd love to
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Speaker 1: see a vibe shift away from this. Here we go, so.
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Speaker 4: Many women and so many men are going nuts over
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Speaker 4: how good looking this killer is.
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Speaker 5: And there's a huge wave of horny washing over.
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Speaker 2: Us right now.
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Speaker 5: It's like when one of the guys you work with
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Speaker 5: says he I had a dream.
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Speaker 3: About you last night.
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Speaker 4: When it's the FedEx guy with the big muscles and
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Speaker 4: the rolled up sleeves, You're like, oh, but if it's
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Speaker 4: the bald it guy wearing crocs with black socks you're
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Speaker 4: on the phone with HR.
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Speaker 5: It's kind of that same dynamic our staff today. I
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Speaker 5: have never experienced anything like this. These are screen grabs
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Speaker 5: of actual exchange between our members of our staff and
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Speaker 5: their friends, relatives, whatever. I've changed the names to protect
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Speaker 5: the guilty, but that's say.
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Speaker 3: Lorraine Sea asks.
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Speaker 5: Do you guys think the United Healthcare CEO killer is hot?
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Speaker 5: Friend replies yes, I love Luigi.
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Speaker 2: I think he's gay. Though.
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Speaker 4: This is an exchange between two of our producers.
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Speaker 5: We'll call them Alphaba and Glinda. My TikTok is flooded.
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Speaker 5: My mom chain's going nuts. That's my TikTok. Everyone is obsessed.
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Speaker 1: Ew yeah, I'm proud by the way of my mom
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Speaker 1: groups where there hasn't been a bed thing.
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Speaker 2: And every time I hit like one of the videos
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Speaker 2: on I don't use TikTok, but you know I use Instagram,
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Speaker 2: which is TikTok. Two weeks later, I scroll right past
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Speaker 2: it because I don't want to even see this kind
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Speaker 2: of disgusting content. This was a father, This was a human,
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Speaker 2: and he was.
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Speaker 3: Killed for absolutely no reason.
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Speaker 2: Nothing is going to change in healthcare policy because of
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Speaker 2: his death.
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Speaker 3: Nothing is going to be improved.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I would say that they you know, for
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Speaker 2: all they know, they got rid of somebody that was
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Speaker 2: working to improve it.
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Speaker 3: You have no idea, We don't know anything. So I'm
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Speaker 3: just disgusted by all of this.
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Speaker 1: My friend Guy Benson also made the point smartly and
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Speaker 1: tragically that not only does this guy leave two sons behind,
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Speaker 1: but they are of I think prime social media consumption ages,
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Speaker 1: which means they're going to be seeing this kind of
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Speaker 1: thing just blithely celebrating, not just for motive, but just
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Speaker 1: like as a teen idol of some kind, the man
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Speaker 1: who shot their father in cold blood. It's so gross.
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Speaker 1: Tilu Lorenz continues her downward spiral about it. But you
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Speaker 1: know who else is included in this group sort of
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Speaker 1: making excuses for this. Elizabeth Warren, Yeah, communists, you know. Man.
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Speaker 1: Senator Elizabeth Warren talking about the killing of United Healthcare
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Speaker 1: CEO Brian Thompson. She says, this the visceral response from
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Speaker 1: people across this country who feel cheated, ripped off, and
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Speaker 1: threatened by the vile practices of their insurance companies. Should
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Speaker 1: be a warning to everyone in the healthcare system. While
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Speaker 1: she's stressed, quote violence is never the answer, but she
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Speaker 1: said the butt is the important part. People can be
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Speaker 1: pushed only so far. This is a warning that if
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Speaker 1: you push people hard enough, they lose faith in the
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Speaker 1: ability of their government to make change, lose faith in
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Speaker 1: the ability of people who are providing the healthcare to
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Speaker 1: make change, and start to take matters into their own
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Speaker 1: hands in ways that will ultimately be a threat to everyone.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing with this whole you know, trying to
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Speaker 2: reenact the French Revolution thing that's happening on the left
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Speaker 2: is they are going to be among.
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Speaker 3: The very first people to the guillotine. Guillotine.
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren has a net worth of approximately seventy five millions.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that's correct, but.
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Speaker 1: She ain't poor, She's not.
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Speaker 2: No if we are rich, yeah, she's the rich, right,
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Speaker 2: there's I mean, Forbes has her at twelve million at
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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. There are numbers up to seventy five million.
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Speaker 2: Somewhere between twelve and seventy five million. So let me
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Speaker 2: tell you, Elizabeth Warren, you are right up against that wall.
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Speaker 2: I do not believe that They're not going to come
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Speaker 2: for you. That's not how this whole thing works. Of course,
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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel also at least fifty million dollars. These are
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Speaker 2: not just wealthy people. These are insanely wealthy people. And
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Speaker 2: if they are going with it's going to be okay
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Speaker 2: to kill rich people, I have some really terrible news
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Speaker 2: for them.
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Speaker 1: Well, and can you can you imagine thinking it's okay
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Speaker 1: to have your text shown like like, let's let's just imagine,
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Speaker 1: by the way, Daniel Penny's an actual hero who saved people.
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Speaker 1: Do you think these same producers, living in their little
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Speaker 1: liberal bubble would be caught dead texting about an actual
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Speaker 1: hero right in a laudatory manner. No, because they believe
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Speaker 1: that he's bad. But Luigi Mangiani, we kind of like him.
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Speaker 1: That is so warped to me. Yeah, it's insane, It
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Speaker 1: really is.
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Speaker 3: And another point that I think we kind of made
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Speaker 3: in passing.
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Speaker 2: But somebody that I follow on ex Byrne Hobart, he's
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Speaker 2: really really smart, always has good financial takes, but he
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Speaker 2: tweets taking a glance at United Healthcare Financials. If corporate
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Speaker 2: greed equals COEO pay, eliminating it would mean getting about
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Speaker 2: zero point zero one four percent more healthcare. If it
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Speaker 2: refers to profits, now we're talking a whole four point
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Speaker 2: six percent increase. The guy whose job is to say,
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Speaker 2: here's how much healthcare you can afford, given how much
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Speaker 2: a cost and how much money you have, is not
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Speaker 2: the guy deciding how much a cost literally shooting the messenger.
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Speaker 2: It usually goes without saying that you shouldn't celebrate assassinations,
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Speaker 2: even if you do genuinely dislike the target. But in
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Speaker 2: this case it's important to add the people's celebrating this
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Speaker 2: are enumerate as well as evil.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, yes, thank you very much. The other thing
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Speaker 1: about this, look, healthcare is complex. One of our issues
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Speaker 1: is that we've for a long time had a third
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Speaker 1: payer system, which means no one is enduring the actual costs,
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Speaker 1: and so the costs can inflate to such an insane
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Speaker 1: degree because no one actually knows what anything costs, right,
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Speaker 1: which is what happens when you remove things from a
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Speaker 1: free market. We've got this weird Frankenstein system. Regardless, healthcare
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Speaker 1: is very important. I want people to have care when
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Speaker 1: they are in dire straits, when they are sick. However,
18:33
Speaker 1: this assertion that healthcare is a human right, and I
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Speaker 1: know you'll be with me on this, Carol, is an
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Speaker 1: assertion that you have a right to other people's labor, education, experience, expertise, time,
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Speaker 1: And those things are neither free nor unlimited right. So
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Speaker 1: there will be a time at which there is some
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Speaker 1: sort of control on that. You do not live in
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Speaker 1: a world where you can just tap a doctor for free,
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Speaker 1: in unlimited quantity anytime you want, because that doctor has
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Speaker 1: a family and a life and bills to pay. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Period, it is free.
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Speaker 2: I always say this about people who are like, Oh,
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Speaker 2: Canada has free healthcare, UK has free healthcare, France has
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Speaker 2: free healthcare. There is no such thing as free. They
19:15
Speaker 2: are all paying for it, just in a different way. Also,
19:18
Speaker 2: I lived in the UK, I got very sick. Do
19:20
Speaker 2: not recommend at all, you know where you want to
19:24
Speaker 2: be sick America.
19:25
Speaker 1: That's why they had different ways of rationing. And it
19:29
Speaker 1: comes straight from the government. That's another thing about this.
19:31
Speaker 1: Everyone's like pivoting to universal health care. Are you under
19:34
Speaker 1: the impression that the government, when totally in charge of healthcare,
19:37
Speaker 1: does not ration healthcare right or.
19:41
Speaker 2: In other ways your taxes won't go up you think
19:43
Speaker 2: that you really think that this is going to be free.
19:46
Speaker 3: I mean, you know that that tweet where they're numerates.
19:48
Speaker 2: They don't understand how anything works, and they are very
19:51
Speaker 2: loud about it is. It's embarrassing. How do you not
19:54
Speaker 2: know that nothing could be free?
19:56
Speaker 1: One last note, CBS reports again, this is what Twelve
20:01
Speaker 1: years after we totally fixed healthcare with the overhaul called Obamacare,
20:05
Speaker 1: health insurance costs are far out pacing inflation, leaving more
20:08
Speaker 1: consumers on the hook each year for thousands of dollars
20:11
Speaker 1: in out of pocket expenses. At the same time, some insurers,
20:13
Speaker 1: rejecting nearly one in five claims that double whammy is
20:16
Speaker 1: leaving Americans paying more for coverage, it's sometimes feeling like
20:19
Speaker 1: they're getting less in return. Experts say, I'm sure we
20:22
Speaker 1: should look in my Argat archives from two thousand and
20:24
Speaker 1: nine and find some indication that this might happen. Right,
20:28
Speaker 1: The problem's real, but I am skeptical of fixes from
20:31
Speaker 1: the people who told me they were fixing it last time.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're going to take a short break and come
20:36
Speaker 2: right back with normally. I think you know, people like
20:42
Speaker 2: when we talk sports.
20:43
Speaker 3: I think because you know.
20:44
Speaker 1: About sports, a little bit.
20:47
Speaker 2: So do we need to find out who.
20:49
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark is or is that where we're going with this.
20:51
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to Caitlin Clark. Kaitlin Clark was featured
20:55
Speaker 1: by Time magazine as Athlete of the Year. I believe
20:58
Speaker 1: they just straight up gave her that title. So big deal.
21:01
Speaker 1: But she's getting a little bit of backlash because in
21:04
Speaker 1: her article, let me give some context, Kaitlin Clark is
21:08
Speaker 1: the best basketball player, and she's a BATUEB player. She's
21:11
Speaker 1: extremely popular. She thinks extremely white, and she's very white
21:17
Speaker 1: or just white, I don't know what. I'm also very white,
21:20
Speaker 1: so I feel like I could say that. But she's
21:22
Speaker 1: very popular. She brought in huge numbers of people when
21:24
Speaker 1: she moved from college to the WNBA fandom, not only
21:28
Speaker 1: to college women's basketball, but to the UNBA. Nonetheless, I
21:33
Speaker 1: would not say she is beloved by her fellow mates
21:39
Speaker 1: in the WNBA. There were a lot of incidents this
21:43
Speaker 1: season where she was very hard fouled in ways that
21:46
Speaker 1: went beyond normal tough back.
21:49
Speaker 2: And I've seen the videos, and I, you know, to
21:52
Speaker 2: say I hate basketball and women's basketball. The fact that
21:55
Speaker 2: I've seen the videos where she gets chapped really hard,
21:58
Speaker 2: really says something.
21:59
Speaker 1: It was on normal basketball, and I've played rough basketball
22:03
Speaker 1: in my past. But she was interviewed and here's what
22:05
Speaker 1: she had to say about sort of the racial overtones
22:10
Speaker 1: of the WNBA and her treatment and the controversy. Clark
22:14
Speaker 1: is cognizant of the racial underpinnings of her stardom first
22:18
Speaker 1: of all, Like why are there racial underpinnings of her startup?
22:20
Speaker 1: She's just successful? Yeah, and she says, I want to
22:23
Speaker 1: say I've earned every single thing. But as a white person,
22:27
Speaker 1: there is privilege. A lot of those players in the
22:30
Speaker 1: league that have been really good have been black players.
22:32
Speaker 1: This league has been kind of built on them. The
22:34
Speaker 1: more we can appreciate that highlight that talk about that
22:37
Speaker 1: and then continue to have brands and companies invest in
22:39
Speaker 1: those players that have made this league incredible, I think
22:42
Speaker 1: that's very important. I have to continue to try that.
22:44
Speaker 1: The more we can elevate black women, that's going to
22:47
Speaker 1: be a beautiful thing.
22:48
Speaker 3: It's like, clearly that was written in October.
22:51
Speaker 1: Clark missed the memo on the vibe shift.
22:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, I use crazy language like that anymore.
22:57
Speaker 1: We don't for her. I want to stick up for
22:59
Speaker 1: her a little bit, because I feel bad for her
23:01
Speaker 1: that she got it from the left while she was
23:04
Speaker 1: successful pre October and November of twenty twenty four, and
23:08
Speaker 1: then she got it physically on the court, and then
23:10
Speaker 1: she got it now she's getting it from the right
23:12
Speaker 1: because people are upset that she's said this thing, and
23:15
Speaker 1: now listen, I don't think Clark is getting herself any
23:19
Speaker 1: credit from anyone by saying this, which is right, if
23:23
Speaker 1: you on a practical front, maybe.
23:26
Speaker 2: Not do this.
23:27
Speaker 1: However, I am sympathetic to the idea that she is
23:31
Speaker 1: playing in a very hostile environment and she has to
23:35
Speaker 1: remain there, so she's trying to find a way to
23:39
Speaker 1: do that. And I'm sort of impressed that she's kept
23:42
Speaker 1: her head about her the way she has, because she's
23:45
Speaker 1: a very fierce competitor. I am not nearly as good
23:47
Speaker 1: a competitor, but perhaps as fear set times and I
23:50
Speaker 1: would have lost it like several of those contacts made
23:55
Speaker 1: with her. So I think she's trying to figure out
23:58
Speaker 1: how to grow up in this league, how to find
24:00
Speaker 1: a spot, and I hope that the league matures quickly
24:07
Speaker 1: to the point where it can like take all the
24:10
Speaker 1: increased money increased sales, increased Jersey sales, increased endorsement deals
24:15
Speaker 1: that Clark has brought more graciously.
24:19
Speaker 3: That would be nice. Yeah, the problem with what she
24:22
Speaker 3: said to me is it.
24:24
Speaker 2: Does ring very walking the line, getting into line.
24:28
Speaker 1: You know.
24:28
Speaker 2: Part of the thing with leftism is it's very conformist
24:31
Speaker 2: and you have to say certain things, and you have
24:33
Speaker 2: to say things in certain ways, and you have to
24:35
Speaker 2: use the right language. And she's clearly trying to do
24:38
Speaker 2: that there. I feel sorry for her that she feels
24:41
Speaker 2: like she has to, but like you said, it's probably
24:44
Speaker 2: the environment that she's in and she is trying.
24:45
Speaker 3: To ingratiate herself into it.
24:47
Speaker 2: The thing I would say to her if I were
24:50
Speaker 2: her friend is these are circular firing squads and you're
24:53
Speaker 2: never going to win. Somebody always gets shot and it
24:57
Speaker 2: might be you and it might not be you. But
24:59
Speaker 2: saying what they want here is never going to get
25:01
Speaker 2: you out of that squad. I mean, just keep dropping
25:03
Speaker 2: thirty fright, I mean, just keep doing what you're doing,
25:06
Speaker 2: and don't say that you were privileged because you're white.
25:08
Speaker 3: You're privileged because you're really really good.
25:11
Speaker 1: She's very good.
25:12
Speaker 2: Again, I've heard of you Caitlin Clark, that must mean something.
25:16
Speaker 1: It must mean something. Yeah. I do think a little
25:19
Speaker 1: bit of drama in a league brings eyeballs, but the
25:22
Speaker 1: kind of hostility that she experienced was beyond that and
25:26
Speaker 1: made many of her competitors look bad, while she frankly
25:30
Speaker 1: looked great because she put up with a bunch of
25:33
Speaker 1: crap and continued to win.
25:35
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