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HBO Developing True Crime Series About Sacramento Serial Killer Dorothea Puente · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: So I want you to just picture this for a second.
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You are living in a quiet, leafy, really beautiful neighborhood
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in Sacramento, California, Okay, setting the scene right, and the
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year is like nineteen eighty seven. You look out your
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front window on a crisp autumn morning and you see
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your neighbor, and she is exactly who you would cast
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if you were directing a movie and you needed the
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ultimate sweet, grandmotherly figure.
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Speaker 2: The total architect exactly.
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Speaker 1: She's got this perfectly quaff, matronly white hair. She is
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wearing these pristine, carefully chosen, slightly oversized vintage floral.
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Speaker 2: Dresses like a picture book grandmother.
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Speaker 1: Literally, and she is walking down the street, knocking on
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doors and handing out warm, homemade tamalis.
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Speaker 2: To the community, which just sounds lovely.
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Speaker 1: Right, it sounds idyllic. You smile, you wave, You probably
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walk out onto your porch and happily take a tamale
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from her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you do.
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Speaker 1: But what you absolutely do not realize in that moment,
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what nobody realized, is that while she is handing you
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that plate of food, she is standing just yards away
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from a literal graveyard of her own tenants buried right
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there in her front yard.
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Speaker 2: God, it is an incredibly unsettling image, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: It makes my stomach drop every time I think about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that visceral reaction, that sudden dropping sensation
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in your stomach is exactly why this story continues to
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grip people so tightly decades later. Oh. Absolutely, because we
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have this deep, almost evolutionary expectation that certain people, certain
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archetypes in our society are just inherently safe.
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Speaker 1: Right, like a grandmother baking goods for the neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: Exactly when you see that sweet elderly woman, your brain
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automatically categorizes her as harmless. It's a shortcut, it is,
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And when someone completely shatters that expectation, it creates this
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profound sense of cognitive dissonance. We desperately want to believe
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that evil looks like a monster, you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we want it to be obvious. We want to
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be able to spot the bad guy across the street.
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Speaker 2: We really do. But the terrified reality of this deep
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dive is it sometimes evil looks like a kindly woman
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in a floral dress offering you a home cooked meal.
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Speaker 1: It completely breaks your brain. It feels like a glitch
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in reality, So welcome to the deep dive.
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Speaker 2: Glad to be here for this one.
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Speaker 1: Today, we are immersing ourselves in what has to be
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one of the most chilling, bizarre, and just psychologically complex
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true crime cases in American history. We're unpacking a massive
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stack of sources detailing the life, the meticulously calculated crimes,
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and the incredibly dark legacy of Dorothea.
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Speaker 2: Poente, the infamous death house Lamb Lady.
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Speaker 1: That's the name. But our mission today isn't just to
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recount a gruesome true crime story. We're not just reading
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off a list of terrible events. We are here to
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really understand the mechanics of deception.
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Speaker 2: Which is the most fascinating part.
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Speaker 1: Right like how does someone build a private graveyard in
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the middle of a bustling city in broad daylight and
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get away with it for years?
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Speaker 2: And we also need to understand why, out of all
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the stories out there, Wood is choosing this exact moment
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to resurrect her story.
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Speaker 1: Yes, with that massive premium HBO drama series they just
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announced for twenty twenty six, which.
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Speaker 2: Really underscores the fact that this isn't just some historical footnote.
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This deep dive is fundamentally about the blind spots in
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human trust.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about how the system failed, exactly.
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Speaker 2: It is a forensic exploration of the fatal flaws of
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the social safety nets that are explicitly designed to protect
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our most vulnerable populations.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this, because to really grasp how this happened,
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I think you have to first look at the armor
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she wore, the camouflage, the camouflage. Exactly. You do not
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get away with running a murder for profit boarding house
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unless you have some incredibly serious cover. So let's set
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the scene for you.
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Speaker 3: We are in Sacramento, right, Sacramento, California, moving through the
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late nineteen seventies and into the nineteen eighties, and the
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epicenter of our story is this large Victorian style boarding.
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Speaker 2: House located at fourteen twenty six F Street.
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Speaker 1: Yes, right near the bustling intersection of fifteenth in F Streets.
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Speaker 2: And it is so crucial for you to understand that
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this wasn't some dilapidated, anonymous, creepy building on the edge
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of town, right, No, not at all. It was a functioning,
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highly visible, seemingly vital part of the local community. It
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looked like an legitimate place of refuge.
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Speaker 1: And right at the center of it, holding court, is
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Dorothy A.
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Speaker 2: Puente, the matrix.
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Speaker 1: And she leaned into this curated public persona so hard.
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I mean, I mentioned the vintage dresses and the white
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hair earlier, but it went so much deeper than just
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the esthetics.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it was a full lifestyle performance.
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Speaker 1: It really was. She presented herself as this fiercely devout,
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deeply caring Christian woman. She positioned herself as a literal
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pillar of the Sacramento community.
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Speaker 2: She was hosting alcoholics anonymous meetings.
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Speaker 1: Right yes, right there in the living room of the
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boarding house. She was actively publicly funding local charities. Wow,
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she was putting on an absolute masterclass in networking too.
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She was rubbing elbows with local policy titian. She was
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attending political fundraisers. She made sure she was seen in
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photographs with the civic leaders of Sacramentos.
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Speaker 2: So she's building credibility.
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Speaker 1: Massive credibility. But here is the most crucial part of
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her cover, the thing that made her truly bulletproof. She
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positioned herself as a saint for the.
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Speaker 2: Marginalized, the people no one else wanted to help.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, she actively sought out vulnerable, unhoused or severely disabled individuals,
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and she helped them navigate the incredibly dense bureaucracy to
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sign up for their social security benefits.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the psychological manipulation at play on
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a societal level.
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Speaker 1: Tell me more about that.
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Speaker 2: Well, she basically weaponized our cultural stereotypes. In Western society,
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we tend to infantilize the elderly, particularly women.
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Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 2: You see a woman in her late fifties or sixties
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with white hair, and society automatically assumes she is fragile,
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inherently nurturing, and fundamentally incapable of physical violence.
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Speaker 1: Let alone grand scale malice.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Quenty understood this implicitly. She capitalized on what psychologists
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call the halo effect.
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Speaker 1: The halo effect meaning if you do one good thing,
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people assume you're all good.
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Speaker 2: Precisely because you see her doing all these highly visible
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charitable acts, hosting AA, donating money, helping the homeless navigate paperwork,
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your brain automatically assumes she is inherently good in all
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aspects of her life.
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Speaker 1: It acts like a shield, a.
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Speaker 2: Completely impenetrable shield. This halo effect was so incredibly powerful
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that a completely deflected neighborly suspicion.
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Speaker 1: Even when things got weird, and they got really weird,
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like there were huge, flashing red flags. This wasn't some subtle,
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completely hidden operation. Neighbors literally noticed odd, highly suspicious activity.
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They saw mysterious trenches being dug in her.
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Speaker 2: Yard, which is wild for a boarding house, right.
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Speaker 1: And they smelled strange, overwhelming foul odors emanating from the property,
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smells that we obviously now know we're human decomposition. Yeah,
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but because she was the sweet lady funding charities, nobody
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put two and two together.
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Speaker 2: Well, think about it from the perspective of a neighbor.
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If a twenty somethingter man with a criminal record moves
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in next door to you and he starts digging large
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holes in his yard in the middle of the night
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and the property smells like decay, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Calling the cops immediately.
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Speaker 2: You are calling the police immediately because the narrative fits
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the perceived threat. But when it's the grandmotherly community pillar,
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your brain actively fights the sinister conclusion.
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Speaker 1: That cognitive dissonance.
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Speaker 2: Again exactly, People think, oh, well, Dorothea must be putting
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in a new rose garden, or maybe the sewer line broke,
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or a skunk died under the porch, right.
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Speaker 1: They invent benign excuses for her.
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Speaker 2: The cognitive dissonance is simply too great for the average
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person to overcome. You literally cannot see what is right
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in front of your eyes because it can flics so
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violently with the narrative you've been fed.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this when looking through the sources,
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and honestly, she wasn't just hiding in plain sight. She
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was hiding behind a spotlight.
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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
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Speaker 1: It's like a reverse Robin Hood scenario, but far more sinister.
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She was systematically stealing from the absolute poorous, most marginalized,
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most vulnerable people in society and using that stolen money
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to fund a charitable, philanthropic public.
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Speaker 2: Image, which then made her completely untouchable.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. So let me ask you this, how much of
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this facade do you think was calculated psychopathic genius and
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how much was just sheer, breathtaking audacity.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it is definitely an intersection of both, but
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it leans heavily into calculation that was honed by years.
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Speaker 1: Of trial and error, trial and air.
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Speaker 2: The audacity is the fuel that allows her to look
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a neighbor in the eye while standing on a grave. Obviously,
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but the facade itself was a highly constructed, deeply considered mechanism.
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Speaker 1: It didn't happen overnight.
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Speaker 2: No, And to your point about her being untouchable by
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the authorities, there is a glaring, infuriating failure of the
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justice system long before the murders even began.
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Speaker 1: Oh, we have to talk about nineteen seventy eight.
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Speaker 2: We really do. The year in nineteen seventy eight is critical.
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Speaker 1: It's the flashing warning sign that everyone just drove right past.
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Speaker 2: Exactly in nineteen seventy eight, Dorothea Plente was convicted of
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illegally cashing thirty four checks that belonged to her tenets.
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Thirty four thirty four separate checks. This was documented, it
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was investigated, it was proven, and she was formally convicted.
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Speaker 1: And what happened.
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Speaker 2: What was the consequence? She received probation and was ordered
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to pay restitution.
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Speaker 1: It's just probation. Wait, let's pause and explain the mechanics
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of that check cashing. Because for anyone listening today who
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was used to digital banking, two factor authentication photo IDs cashing,
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thirty four checks belonging to other people sounds totally impossible.
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Speaker 2: Does sound like a logistics nightmare today, right.
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Speaker 1: So how is she actually pulling that off in nineteen
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seventy eight, Well, it was a.
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Speaker 2: Very very different world in the late seventies and eighties.
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Banking and social services relied heavily on paper and the
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postal paper checks in the mail exactly, social security and
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disability checks were mailed physically to the residents. As the
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landlady Puante had direct physical access to the mailbox, she
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just intercepts the mail. She intercepts the mail, and to
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cash them, she didn't necessarily need to walk into a
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modern bank with a high tech scanner. She could endorse
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them with a forged signature and deposit them into her
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own accounts. Wow. Or even easier, she would take them
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to local check cashing storefronts or neighborhood grocery stores where
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she was already known.
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Speaker 1: Ah, the halo effect in action again.
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Speaker 2: Remember the halo effect. If the beloved, trusted neighborhood landlady
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comes in with a stack of checks endorsed by her
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tenants and she says, Oh, I'm handling their finances because
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they are unwell.
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Speaker 1: Today, the clerk just believes her.
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Speaker 2: The clerk who probably knows her and respects her charity work,
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isn't going to demand a thumb print and a DNA swab.
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They just process the transaction.
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Speaker 1: So she essentially created a subscription model for fraud where
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the payout was a monthly annuity provided by the federal government.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what it was.
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Speaker 1: And she gets caught, she's convicted, and the system just
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gives her probation. It's infuriating. She was already caught preying
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on her tenants financially, Why did I probation officers shut
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down her boarding house operation right then and there?
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Speaker 2: Because the justice system, much like the neighbors and the
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bank clerks, fell victim to the exact same biases they
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saw the grandmother right The judge and the probation officers
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looked at her, this middle aged, seemingly respectable woman, and
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they likely thought this was an aberration.
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Speaker 1: Like a one time mistake.
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Speaker 2: A moment of weakness, or perhaps she was just bad
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at financial management. Rather than seeing it as the calculated
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modus opera on buy of a burgeoning predator. Society completely
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ignored that warning, which is terrifying and you have to
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understand the psychological impact of that leniency on someone like Puente,
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because she faced virtually no real consequences.
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Speaker 1: It didn't deter her, It emboldened her.
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Speaker 2: It completely emboldened her. She learned a very dangerous lesson.
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The system is incredibly weak, It's easily manipulated, and if
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you look the part no one will look too closely.
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Speaker 1: At the paperwork, which makes perfect sense for how she escalated.
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But it also forces us to ask, how does someone
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learn to build an identity like this in the first place?
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Speaker 2: Where does it come from?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you develop the stomach to exploit people
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so ruthlessly, To look at a vulnerable human being and
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see nothing but a monthly paycheck.
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Speaker 2: It's a dark path.
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Speaker 1: To understand that, we have to transition away from the
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boarding house for a moment and trace the timeline all
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the way back to her childhood. We have to look
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at the pathology of a predator.
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Speaker 2: We really do. You don't just wake up one morning
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in your fifties and decided to run a murder for
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profit enterprise. No, there was always a deep, usually highly
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traumatic foundation that sets that behavioral trajectory in motion.
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Speaker 1: And her foundation was basically nothing but chaos and trauma.
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Let's look at the early years, from nineteen twenty nine
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to about nineteen thirty eight. Okay, she was born Dorothea
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Helen Gray on January ninth, nineteen twenty nine, in Redlands, California.
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Now this is right at the onset of the Great Depression.
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Speaker 2: A desperate time for a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, you have to picture the crushing poverty of that era.
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Her childhood is defined by extreme instability. Both of her parents,
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Treaty may Yates and Jesse James Gray, were severe alcoholics.
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Speaker 2: Which introduces so much unpredictability.
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Speaker 1: The family dynamic was violent and entirely unpredictable. And then,
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around nineteen thirty seven, when Dorothea is just eight years old,
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her father dies of tuberculosis.
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Speaker 2: Tuberculosis was a terrible, slow wasting disease and it was
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highly stigmatized at the time. Really, oh yeah, and it
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would have drained whatever meager resources the family had left.
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Speaker 1: Right, and then her mother, who was reportedly working as
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a sex worker just to keep the family fed, loses
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custody of the children.
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Speaker 2: Just a cascading series of tragedy, and.
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Speaker 1: It gets worse just a year after the father's death.
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In nineteen thirty eight, her mother dies in a motorcycle crash.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So by age nine, Dorothea is complete, lately orphaned in
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the most traumatic, abrupt ways imaginable.
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Speaker 2: The compound of trauma here cannot be overstated. For a
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developing child, you have severe addiction in the household, crushing
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economic poverty, the loss of both primary caregivers in rapid
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traumatic succession. It's unimaginable, and the inherent instability and potential
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danger of her mother's survival.
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Speaker 1: Sex work and the safety net fails her immediately. Because
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following her parents' deaths, young Dorothea and her siblings are
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thrust right into the orphanage system.
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Speaker 2: Which in the nineteen thirties was notoriously harsh.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, and it's during these orphanage years that she later
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claimed she was subjected to severe sexual abuse, which, if true.
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Speaker 2: And given the conditions of many orphanages in the nineteen thirties,
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it is tragically plausible as an entirely new layer of
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profound betrayal to an already shattered psychological.
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Speaker 1: Landscape, because the people supposed to protect her were hurting
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her right When.
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Speaker 2: A child experiences this level of severe, relentless trauma, especially
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the total lack of a cure protective attachment figure. It
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fundamentally alters their psychological development. How so, it can shatter
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their ability to form a coherent, stable sense of self.
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They learn very early on, at a cellular level, that
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the world is a hostile, dangerous, predatory place. It's eat
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or be eaten, exactly, And they learned that they are
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entirely on their own for survival. Empathy doesn't develop properly
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when your entire cognitive load is dedicated to just surviving
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the day.
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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. And for her, that
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survival instinct seem to manifest in a lifelong compulsion for
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fraud and reinvention.
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Speaker 2: Yes, reinventing herself constantly.
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Speaker 1: Because as we move into the nineteen forties and nineteen
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fifties and the sources, you see this incredible, dizzying cycle
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of reinvention. She marries a soldier, Fred McFall in nineteen
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forty five, and she is only sixteen years old.
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Speaker 2: She's likely seeking the stability that was robbed from her,
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or perhaps just a legal escape road from the state system.
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Speaker 1: But the trauma follows her, and the stability just doesn't last.
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They have two together, One she gives away to relatives
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to raise, and the other she places for.
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Speaker 2: Adopting, repeating the cycle of fractured families exactly.
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Speaker 1: She also suffers a miscarriage. So this traditional family life
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she tried so hard to build and completely disintegrates, falls apart.
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And then in nineteen forty eight, at age nineteen, she
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gets her first real criminal record. She has arrested for
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forgery in Riverside.
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Speaker 2: California, at nineteen years old.
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Speaker 1: She serves jail time, gets probation, and as a result
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of the arrest, her husband Fred leaves her.
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Speaker 2: This is a critical psychological jumpcture for her. The early
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attempt at a socially acceptable life, the marriage the children,
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has failed spectacularly, completely colo compounded by the trauma of
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giving up her children and suffering a miscarriage. But that
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forgery arrest at nineteen is highly significant.
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Speaker 1: Why is forgery specifically significant.
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Speaker 2: Because gorgery isn't a crime of passion like a bar fight.
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It is a crime of deception. It is the act
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of creating a false reality on paper to gain a
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material advantage.
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Speaker 1: Oh I see.
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Speaker 2: It requires planning, foresight, and a willingness to manipulate the truth.
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It is the absolute seedling of the much grander, fatal
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deceptions she will enact later in life.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of grand deceptions, this next detail from the sources
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is where the story absolutely goes off the rails.
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Speaker 2: It's wild.
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Speaker 1: It is the ultimate persona shift. In nineteen fifty two,
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she allegedly marries a merchant seaman named Axel Bren Johansson.
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But she doesn't marry him as Dorothea Helen Gray.
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Speaker 2: No, she does not.
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Speaker 1: She invents a completely fake, incredibly elaborate identity. She calls
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herself Teasinglewala Naarda.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the sheer audacity of this fabrication is staggering.
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Speaker 1: It's insane. She claims to be a Muslim woman of
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Egyptian Israeli descent. She completely fabricates a heritage, a religion,
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a name, a whole geographic history out of finair, out
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of finnair. How on earth does someone pull that off
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in nineteen fifty two, and why go to such bizarre lengths?
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Speaker 2: Because this is where we see the trauma and the
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survival instinct morphing into deep clinical pathology. This goes far
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beyond some bleat lying to get out of trouble or
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forging a check for fifty bucks.
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Speaker 1: Right, this is a whole new identity.
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Speaker 2: She is constructing an entirely new reality for herself to inhabit.
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Remember what we said about her lacking a coherent sense of.
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Speaker 1: Self because of the childhood trauma.
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Speaker 2: Right. When a person's core identity is so damaged and
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associated with so much pain, the traumatized, impoverished orphan from Redlands,
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they sometimes find it necessary to invent a new self.
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Speaker 1: So Taya is the escape patch exactly.
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Speaker 2: Tay Singuala Niarda doesn't have the baggage of Dorothea's trauma.
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Taya is a grandiose, exotic, fascinating fantasy. It shows a
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profound detachment from reality and a highly developed ability to
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compartmentalize her deceptions.
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Speaker 1: She really committed to the bit.
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Speaker 2: She is acting out a role, and she realizes she
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is very, very good at it, and.
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Speaker 1: She just kept evolving as a criminal, refining her ability
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to play these roles. Moving into the nineteen sixties, she
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was actually running a brothel in Sacramento, Right, But again,
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look at the camouflage. She disguised the brothel as a
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legitimate bookkeeping.
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Speaker 2: Firm, always with the paperwork cover.
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Speaker 1: Always, which of course eventually led to another conviction. But
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then we hit a massive pivotal moment in the timeline
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in nineteen sixty.
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Speaker 2: One, the psychiatric intervention.
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Speaker 1: Yes, she is committed to DeWitt State Hospital, and during
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this commitment she receives an official psychiatric diagnosis. The doctors
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label her as a pathological liar with an unstable personality.
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Speaker 2: That nineteen sixty one diagnosis is crucial documentation for anyone
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trying to understand her. It validates what her behavioral history
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has been screaming for a decade.
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Speaker 1: So what does that actually mean?
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Speaker 2: Well, unstable personality in the diagnostic language of the early
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nineteen sixties is a bit of a catch all term, okay,
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but it often aligns with what modern psychology might conceptualize
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under the umbrella of severe cluster B personality disorders, like
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what things like borderline narcissistic or antisocial personality traits.
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Speaker 1: Let's break it down for the listener. What does a
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cluster B personality disorder actually look like in beyond just
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the medical jargon.
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Speaker 2: In practical behavioral terms, it means an individual who struggles
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with emotional regulation. They exhibit highly erratic behavior, and they
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often have a deeply distorted self image.
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Speaker 1: How does that apply to Puente?
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Speaker 2: For someone like Puente, it manifests as a profound lack
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of empathy. Other people aren't fully realize human beings. To her,
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they are objects tools to be used for her own
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gratification or survival.
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Speaker 1: So the people in her life are just props exactly.
20:30
Speaker 2: And the pathological lying part is the mechanism by which
20:33
she manages her instability and interacts with the world. She
20:37
lies even when it isn't strictly necessary, because controlling the
20:40
narrative gives her a sense of power that she was
20:42
totally denied in childhood.
20:44
Speaker 1: That need for control is so central. She ends up
20:46
divorcing your Hanson in nineteen sixty six. Then she marries
20:49
Roberto Jose Puente in nineteen sixty.
20:51
Speaker 2: Eight, bringing in the famous last name right.
20:54
Speaker 1: That marriage is also highly turbulent, ending in separation and
20:58
a finalized divorce in the life eighteen seventy three, amid
21:01
claims of severe abuse, but she keeps his surname Dorothea Puente,
21:06
the name that would become globally infamous. Yeah, but I
21:09
want to push back on something here, go for it.
21:11
I am looking at this horrific childhood, the impoverished orphan,
21:15
the sudden deaths, the abuse, the tragedy. Does a tragic
21:19
childhood excuse any of this?
21:21
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not, or does.
21:22
Speaker 1: That nineteen sixty one diagnosis of being a literal documented
21:26
pathological liars show us that trauma aside, she was just
21:30
uniquely biologically wired for deceit.
21:32
Speaker 2: It's the eternal nature versus nurture debate ectly, but the
21:36
reality in forensic psychology is that it is almost always
21:39
a catastrophic intertrine collision of both. The trauma absolutely does
21:43
not excuse the behavior. It contextualizes it right gives it
21:47
an origin point exactly. The nineteen sixty one diagnosis doesn't
21:50
mean she was born a bad sea destined to kill,
21:53
but it describes exactly how her developing brain adapted to
21:56
survive horrific circumstances.
21:57
Speaker 1: As an adaptation.
21:58
Speaker 2: Severe early trauma, especially the lack of a stable caregiver
22:02
and the presence of abuse, can literally physically alter the
22:05
developing brain. It affects the amigdala and the prefrontal cortex,
22:09
which control what there the areas responsible for empathy, impulse control,
22:14
and emotional regulation. Over time, her lies weren't just self
22:18
defense mechanisms. They became her primary default tool for interacting.
22:23
Speaker 1: With the world, so she couldn't turn it off.
22:25
Speaker 2: No, she learned that manipulating people was the only reliable
22:29
way to get her needs met. So you have a
22:32
shattered sense of self from the trauma, leading to endless
22:36
self serving reinventions.
22:38
Speaker 1: It's a feedback loop.
22:39
Speaker 2: It is making it nearly impossible to separate the original
22:42
psychological injury from the resulting predatory pathology. They become inextricably linked.
22:47
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. The trauma built the machine,
22:50
but the pathology was the engine driving it forward.
22:53
Speaker 2: Very well put, and.
22:53
Speaker 1: That survival instinct didn't just stay a defense mechanism. It weaponized.
22:58
As she moved into the nineteen eighties, that same deception
23:00
she used to survive became a tool to hunt.
23:03
Speaker 2: Yes, this is where the story turns incredibly.
23:05
Speaker 1: Dark, which brings us to the boarding house itself. We
23:09
have established her pathology, and we've established her impenetrable grandmother disguise.
23:15
Now we have to look at the terrifying execution of
23:17
her crimes. The era of the boarding house horrors from
23:21
nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty eight.
23:23
Speaker 2: This is the turning point where systematic fraud escalates into
23:26
serial murder, and the methodology she employs is incredibly chilling
23:31
in its quiet efficiency.
23:32
Speaker 1: She didn't just randomly pull people off the street. She
23:35
specifically intentionally targeted the elderly, the disabled, and the highly vulnerable.
23:41
Speaker 2: People struggling with severe mental illness or substance abuse exactly.
23:45
Speaker 1: And here is the part that should make everyone listening
23:48
feel sick to their stomach. These vulnerable people were often
23:51
directly referred to her boarding house by professional social workers.
23:55
Speaker 2: It is a profound systemic failure.
23:57
Speaker 1: The very system meant to protect them was essentially acting
24:00
as a supply chain for her victims.
24:02
Speaker 2: And you have to understand why that happened.
24:03
Speaker 1: I mean, how could social workers do that?
24:05
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't malice on the part of the social workers.
24:07
It was desperation mixed with Puente's perfect facade.
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Speaker 1: Ah, the halo effect again.
24:12
Speaker 2: Right. The social services system in Sacramento in the nineteen
24:15
eighties and frankly in many cities today, was severely underfunded
24:20
and overburdened.
24:21
Speaker 1: Caseworkers probably had massive caseloads.
24:24
Speaker 2: Exactly when they found a landlady who was willing to
24:27
take in difficult to place, high needs individuals.
24:29
Speaker 1: And someone who presented as a devout, caring Christian woman
24:33
offering home cooked meals.
24:34
Speaker 2: They likely saw her as a godsend. They didn't have
24:37
the time or the resources to heavily vet her, especially
24:40
since she presented so perfectly. She provided an immediate solution
24:44
to a systemic problem, So.
24:46
Speaker 1: The system places them in her care. They move in,
24:48
and then she enacts the method, the pharmacological method. Right,
24:51
she would lace their food and drinks with a very
24:54
specific lethal cocktail of heavy prescription drugs. We are talking
24:58
about fluraspam, codeine, and amatryptiline.
25:02
Speaker 2: It is a highly calculated, highly potent pharmacological combination.
25:06
Speaker 1: What exactly are those drugs?
25:08
Speaker 2: Fluorozepin is a powerful benzodiazepine, a sedative usually used for
25:13
severe inzomnia. Codeine is an opioid, narcotic, a painkiller, and
25:19
amatrypt line is an older tricyclic and a depressant that
25:22
also has strong sedative properties.
25:25
Speaker 1: So three different sedatives basically essentially, yes, what exactly does
25:29
that specific combination due to a human body, especially an
25:33
elderly one?
25:34
Speaker 2: When you combine multiple central nervous system to presents like that,
25:38
the effect is synergistic, meaning they amplify each other's effects.
25:41
Speaker 1: Okay, so they hit much harder together.
25:43
Speaker 2: Exactly. In an elderly or medically fragile person, this cocktail
25:47
would cause profound central nervous system depression. The victims wouldn't
25:52
experience a violent, dramatic death struggling. No, they would simply
25:56
become incredibly lethargic, confused. They would fall into a deep sleep,
26:00
and eventually their respiratory drive would just shut down.
26:02
Speaker 1: We'll just stop breathing.
26:04
Speaker 2: Right. It's a very quiet, non violent way to kill.
26:07
And that is absolutely essential if you are running a
26:09
house full of other.
26:10
Speaker 1: People, because you can't have screams or signs of a
26:12
struggle when you have six other tenants down the hall.
26:15
Speaker 2: Exactly, it had to be quiet.
26:16
Speaker 1: And the aftermath is where it tips into pure horror
26:19
because she couldn't just leave them in their beds.
26:21
Speaker 2: No, she had to hide the bodies to keep the
26:24
money flowing.
26:25
Speaker 1: She would wait until the dead of night and she
26:27
would bury the bodies in the yard of the boarding house.
26:29
In some cases to make them fit or to make
26:31
them easier to move. She actually dismembered.
26:34
Speaker 2: Them, which takes a profound level of detachment.
26:36
Speaker 1: And the entire point of this, the singular motive, was
26:39
to just continue cashing their social security and disability checks
26:43
as if they were still alive.
26:44
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate, absolute commodification of human life. These
26:49
people were literally worth more to her dead than alive.
26:53
Speaker 1: It's sickening.
26:54
Speaker 2: It really is. Alive, they required food care and management.
27:00
They were just a clean monthly stream of untraceable income.
27:04
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though obviously in a
27:07
very dark context. We need to walk through the specific
27:10
timeline of the victims because it shows how her confidence escalated.
27:13
Speaker 2: She definitely got bolder.
27:15
Speaker 1: The first recorded victim is Ruth Munroe in April nineteen
27:18
eighty two. She was sixty one years old. She dies
27:21
of a coding overdose very shortly after moving into Puente's
27:24
house right but at the time, the coroner initially ruled
27:28
the death as undetermined.
27:29
Speaker 2: Which again highlights the specific vulnerability of the population she
27:33
was targeting. So when an elderly or disabled person with
27:36
pre existing health issues dies of an overdose, the medical
27:39
and legal systems often default to assuming it was an
27:42
accidental dosage error by a confused.
27:44
Speaker 1: Patient, like they forgot they took their pills and took them.
27:47
Speaker 2: Again exactly, or perhaps they assumed it was a suicide.
27:51
A thorough suspicious homicide investigation is rarely the first instinct
27:56
without obvious physical signs of trauma like a gunshot, wound
28:00
or strangulation mark.
28:01
Speaker 1: Not so she flew under the radar.
28:02
Speaker 2: Puente relied heavily on this systemic apathy.
28:05
Speaker 1: She gets away with Ruth Monree, and the timeline moves
28:07
to late nineteen eighty five. The victim is Eversince Theodore Gilmouth.
28:12
Speaker 2: This one is particularly cold.
28:14
Speaker 1: He was seventy seven years old, and he wasn't just
28:17
a tenant. He was Puente's own boyfriend.
28:19
Speaker 2: Just staggering cold calculation.
28:21
Speaker 1: The level of cold calculation here is wild. She doesn't
28:24
bury him in the yard. Instead, she hires a handyman
28:28
to build a large wooden box.
28:30
Speaker 2: A literal coffin.
28:31
Speaker 1: Basically, she puts Gilmouth's body inside this custom built box,
28:35
and then she has the handyman help her load it
28:38
into a truck under the guise of moving junk, and
28:41
she has it dumped right into the Sacramento River.
28:43
Speaker 2: And This is where we see her narrative control in
28:46
full effect. Ry man to cover her tracks. She doesn't
28:49
just stop at the physical disposal of the body. She
28:52
actively manages the post mortem narrative. Oh right, the letters.
28:57
She forged letters to his family in his name, them
29:00
updates to make them think he was still alive and
29:02
happily traveling the country.
29:03
Speaker 1: That is so twisted.
29:05
Speaker 2: She created this elaborate phantom life for him, all while
29:08
she systematically drained his bank accounts and cashed his pension checks.
29:12
Speaker 1: It's like Taya all over again, exactly.
29:15
Speaker 2: She is managing his identity just as tightly as she
29:18
managed her own Teya persona years earlier.
29:21
Speaker 1: His body was eventually found in the river and identified,
29:24
but it took time, and she had already moved on
29:26
to the next victims.
29:27
Speaker 2: There were so many others.
29:29
Speaker 1: There was Betty May Palmer, seventy eight years old. She
29:31
was one of the victims later found buried and dismembered
29:34
in the yard. Her toxicology matched that specific lethal drug.
29:38
Speaker 2: Cocktail, the signature cocktail.
29:40
Speaker 1: Then there was Leona Carpenter, also seventy eight pointe actually
29:44
managed to manipulate Leona into granting her power of attorney
29:47
before Leona completely disappeared after a series of mysterious overdoses.
29:51
Speaker 2: We need to underline how significant that is the power
29:54
of attorney. Yes, convincing a victim to grant you power
29:57
of attorney is a massive escalation of the financial fraud.
30:00
Speaker 1: It's not just taking a check out of the mailbox anymore, right.
30:03
Speaker 2: It is stealing a check. Power of attorney gives her
30:06
a complete legal, unassailable control over the victim's assets, their
30:12
bank accounts, their property.
30:13
Speaker 1: She legally became them financially speaking.
30:16
Speaker 2: It shows a sophisticated understanding of legal mechanisms to facilitate
30:20
and legitimize her theft. She is using the law as
30:23
a webon.
30:24
Speaker 1: It's just so brazen. There's James Gallup sixty two years old.
30:27
His body was found buried under a gazebo that she
30:30
had constructed in the.
30:31
Speaker 2: Yard right the new landscaping to hide the bodies exactly.
30:35
Speaker 1: Drugs were present in his system. Vera Fae Martin sixty one.
30:39
Her checks were being actively forged by Plente for months
30:43
and her body was found buried under a shed.
30:45
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
30:46
Speaker 1: She also entangled others in her web, like Malcolm McKenzie,
30:50
who she drugged and robbed but who seemingly survived the encounter,
30:54
and Eugene Gamble, whose death was ruled a suicide but
30:57
under highly suspicious circumstances given his simity to Puente.
31:01
Speaker 2: The police eventually linked her to a total of nine deaths,
31:04
nine people, nine lives extinguished for a monthly check. It
31:08
is a staggering body count, especially when you consider it
31:11
was all happening within the confined footprint of a residential
31:14
property in a populated neighborhood.
31:16
Speaker 1: It wasn't some remote cabin in the woods.
31:18
Speaker 2: No, I was right in the middle of a neighborhood.
31:20
And what truly stands out here is the sheer banality
31:23
of evil on display.
31:24
Speaker 1: Yes, I was just thinking about that. Imagine being a
31:27
fly on the wall in that house. You have to
31:29
think about the day to day reality of living there exactly.
31:33
Speaker 2: The philosopher Hannah Aren't famously coined the phrase the banality
31:37
of evil to describe how horrific, unimaginable crimes are often
31:41
committed not by theatrical, mustache twirling monsters, but by terrifyingly
31:48
ordinary people simply going about their daily.
31:50
Speaker 1: Routines doing mundane things.
31:52
Speaker 2: Dorothea Puente embodies this concept perfectly. I mean, imagine you're
31:57
looking at her on a Tuesday afternoon. Okay, she is
32:00
literally standing in her kitchen wearing an apron, making tamales,
32:04
handing them over the chain link fence to smiling waiting neighbors.
32:07
Speaker 1: While there are bodies in the yard, while Vera.
32:10
Speaker 2: Fey Martin is actively decomposing under the wooden shed just
32:12
a few feet away, and James Gallop is guried beneath
32:15
the gazebo where she might sit and have a glass
32:17
of iced tea. It's just macbre She normalized serial murder
32:21
into a mundane administrative task of running her boarding house business.
32:24
Speaker 1: It is absolutely chilling, which brings us to a massive
32:27
turning point, the unraveling, because you have to wonder, considering
32:30
the perfect cover she had, considering the apathy of the system,
32:34
how long could this have gone on? If not for
32:36
one single person actually paying attention.
32:39
Speaker 2: It could have gone on for years.
32:41
Speaker 1: This transitions us to the unraveling of her empire, the manhunt,
32:45
and the historic trial.
32:46
Speaker 2: It is a sad truth that in cases involving vulnerable populations,
32:50
it often takes just one person who stubbornly refuses to
32:55
accept the easy, convenient narrative, and in.
32:57
Speaker 1: This case, that person was a concern of social work.
33:00
Speaker 2: Thank God for them.
33:01
Speaker 1: It is November nineteen eighty eight. This social worker notices
33:04
that a tenant named Alvaro Bert Montoya, a man with
33:08
schizophrenia who had been placed at the boarding house, is missing. Now,
33:12
normally a transient or mentally ill person disappearing might be
33:16
written off as them just wandering away.
33:17
Speaker 2: Sadly, that happens a lot.
33:19
Speaker 1: But unlike the other times, this specific social worker doesn't
33:22
let it go. They know Montoya wouldn't just leave without
33:25
his medication.
33:26
Speaker 2: He knew his patterns exactly.
33:28
Speaker 1: They pushed the issue hard, which finally prompts a visit
33:30
from a Sacramento police detective named John Cabrera.
33:34
Speaker 2: And even with a detective standing in her living room,
33:37
Quente's psychological armor almost held up.
33:40
Speaker 1: It really did. Detective Cabrera's initial search of the house
33:43
was entirely unremarkable.
33:45
Speaker 2: She didn't panic, not at all.
33:47
Speaker 1: She was cooperative, she was polite. The house was relatively tidy.
33:51
He didn't find anything overtly suspicious inside. He was probably
33:55
ready to write it off as a routine missing person's case,
33:59
of course. But then other tenants in the house, who
34:01
were clearly terrified but finally had an authority figure present,
34:06
quietly tipped off the police.
34:07
Speaker 2: They finally spoke up.
34:09
Speaker 1: They mentioned the odd late night digging in the yard.
34:12
They pointed out the patches of disturbed.
34:14
Speaker 2: Earth, the new gazebo, the shed.
34:16
Speaker 1: Right, So the police decide to bring in shovels and
34:19
start an excavation, and that is when the horrifying truth
34:21
is finally revealed. They start pulling human remains out of
34:24
the dirt at fourteen twenty six f Street.
34:27
Speaker 2: The collapse of the illusion must have been instantaneous and
34:30
absolute for that community, just shocking. But what happens next
34:33
is arguably one of the most bizarre, infuriating details in
34:37
this entire saka.
34:38
Speaker 1: Oh you mean the escape. If you are listening, brace yourself,
34:41
because this detail is wild.
34:43
Speaker 2: It's hard to even believe the.
34:44
Speaker 1: Police are literally in her front yard actively digging up
34:48
human bones. She is standing right there, obviously under intense
34:52
immediate suspicion, right, but she hasn't been formally handcuffed and
34:56
arrested yet because they are still assessing the scene. So
34:59
what does the death house landlady do.
35:02
Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable.
35:03
Speaker 1: She walks up to the police, puts on her absolute
35:06
best grandmother voice, and asks if she can go grab
35:09
a cup of coffee at a nearby hotel to get
35:11
out of their way, and.
35:12
Speaker 2: They let her.
35:13
Speaker 1: They literally say sure, go ahead.
35:14
Speaker 2: It's insane.
35:15
Speaker 1: She packs a bag, walks right past a crime scene
35:18
where multiple bodies are being on earth, and flees to
35:21
a motel in Los Angeles.
35:23
Speaker 2: It speaks volumes about the enduring blinding power of her
35:27
grandmotherly persona.
35:28
Speaker 1: So Jedi mind trick.
35:29
Speaker 2: It really is. Yeah, even while unearthing corpses on her
35:33
own property. The police on the scene, in the heat
35:36
of the moment likely couldn't fully reconcile the sweet old
35:39
lady standing in front of them asking for coffee with
35:42
the monster responsible for the graves.
35:44
Speaker 1: Their brains literally short circuited.
35:46
Speaker 2: They gave her the benefit of the doubt, assuming a
35:48
woman her age wasn't a flight risk. It is a staggering,
35:52
almost comical law enforcement failure, driven entirely by cognitive bias.
35:58
Speaker 1: Well. She is caught a few days later in law
36:00
San Angeles after a man recognized her from the news,
36:03
but by then the story has absolutely exploded.
36:06
Speaker 2: I was everywhere.
36:07
Speaker 1: The immediate media frenzy is unprecedented. The death house Landlady
36:11
becomes a national true crime obsession overnight.
36:14
Speaker 2: The optics were just too crazy to ignore.
36:17
Speaker 1: The house at fourteen twenty six f Street turns into
36:19
this macabre tourist attraction. People are driving by in droves,
36:23
parking their cars just to stare at the churned up
36:26
dirt in the yard where the bodies were buried.
36:28
Speaker 2: It tapped into the absolute darkest aspects of true crime voyeurism.
36:32
The just a position of the sweet grandmother and the
36:35
serial killer graveyard was just too sensational, too perfectly crafted
36:39
for the media to ignore, Which leads us to.
36:41
Speaker 1: The nineteen ninety three trial. It was a massive, highly
36:44
publicized event. She was tried for nine counts of first
36:47
degree murder nine count and the defense strategy was fascinating,
36:50
if disturbing. They basically relied on the exact vulnerability of
36:55
the victims that Puente had exploited, blaming the victims essentially. Yeah.
36:59
They argued that these were incredibly sick, elderly people with
37:02
histories of substance abuse and severe medical issues who either
37:06
died of natural causes or intentionally overdosed to commit suicide.
37:10
Speaker 2: And that she just panicked and hid the bodies exactly.
37:14
Speaker 1: The prosecutors, on the other hand, hammered away at the
37:16
clear financial motives, the systematic documented forging of checks after death,
37:21
and the toxicology reports showing the legal drug cocktails.
37:25
Speaker 2: And this raises a crucial point about the severe limitations
37:29
of the justice system when confronted with this specific type
37:32
of crime and forensic reality. What do you mean you
37:34
would think that multiple bodies buried in a yard, coupled
37:37
with stolen checks would be the most open and shut
37:40
case in history, right.
37:42
Speaker 1: It seems totally obvious, But it wasn't.
37:44
Speaker 2: The jury deliberated for twenty four days.
37:46
Speaker 1: That is a long time.
37:48
Speaker 2: At the time, that was the longest jury deliberation in
37:51
California murder history. Imagine being in a room for nearly
37:55
a month arguing about.
37:56
Speaker 1: This, and after all that time, they only convicted her
37:59
on recounts of murder and they completely deadlocked on the
38:03
other six counts.
38:04
Speaker 2: Six counts deadlocked.
38:05
Speaker 1: She received life without parole for the three But for
38:08
anyone listening, how do you deadlock on six bodies buried
38:11
in a woman's yard.
38:13
Speaker 2: It comes down to the incredibly high, rigorous burden of
38:16
proof required in a criminal.
38:18
Speaker 1: Trial beyond a reasonable doubt.
38:20
Speaker 2: Exactly proving a specific act of murder beyond a reasonable doubt.
38:24
The defense expertly exploited the condition of the victims and
38:28
the condition of the physical evidence.
38:30
Speaker 1: Because the bodies were decomposed.
38:31
Speaker 2: Right. When bodies are badly decomposed after being buried in
38:34
the dirt for years, determining an exact, definitive medical cause
38:38
of death becomes scientifically very difficult, especially in the early
38:42
nineteen nineties.
38:43
Speaker 1: So the science just wasn't there yet to be certain.
38:46
Speaker 2: The toxicology might show drugs in their system. But the
38:49
defense argued quite effectively for some jurors, that the victim
38:53
accidentally overdosed themselves or took their own life, and.
38:56
Speaker 1: That Puente just found them dead.
38:57
Speaker 2: Right, and Puente, terrified of life using her lucrative boarding
39:01
house license if a dead body was found on her property,
39:04
simply made the terrible decision to hide the body.
39:06
Speaker 1: Wow, So they argued that hiding a body, while obviously illegal,
39:11
isn't the same crime as premeditated murder.
39:14
Speaker 2: Exactly the jury might have been ninety nine percent sure
39:17
she killed every single one of them, but the law
39:19
requires them to evaluate the forensic evidence for each specific
39:23
count independently.
39:24
Speaker 1: So her disposal method actually worked to some extent.
39:27
Speaker 2: Twenty's disposal methods bearing them, letting natural decomposition destroy the
39:31
forensic timeline and the soft tissue successfully clouded the legal waters.
39:35
That is wild even with overwhelming circumstantial evidence regarding the
39:39
financial theft. Proving the exact moment and mechanism of contentional
39:43
poisoning by her hand on a degraded corpse is incredibly challenging.
39:47
Speaker 1: So the deadlock jury makes sense legally.
39:49
Speaker 2: The deadlock jury is a testament to how effectively her
39:52
modus operandi insulated her from complete legal accountability. It couldn't
39:57
save her from a life sentence, obviously, but but it
40:00
created enough doubt to fracture the verdict.
40:02
Speaker 1: That is deeply frustrating to hear, but it makes complete
40:05
sense from a legal and forensic standpoint. She got life
40:10
without parole, which definitively ended her reign. Thankfully, this moves
40:15
us from the conclusion of the trial into her final
40:17
years and eventually how this entire dark legacy is about
40:21
to be reimagined for the screen. Let's look at her
40:25
life in prison.
40:26
Speaker 2: Her time at the Central California Women's Facility in Joe
40:29
Chille is remarkably, almost absurdly consistent with her established personality.
40:34
Speaker 1: It really is. It's like she never dropped the act.
40:36
Her routine in prison was fascinating. Tell me about it, well,
40:39
she woke up early every single day. She spent a
40:42
massive amount of her time reading popular thrillers. She was
40:45
a huge fan of authors like John Grisham and Dan Brown.
40:48
Speaker 2: Okay, normal enough.
40:49
Speaker 1: She attended private chapel sessions regularly, maintaining that devout Christian image.
40:55
And you literally cannot make this up. If you wrote
40:57
this in a script, it would be rejected as too
40:59
on the note she was making to Molly's for the
41:01
other inmates, you're kidding, I am not even inside a
41:05
maximum security prison. She is leaning entirely into the grandmother role.
41:10
And incredibly, she spent her recreation time watching true trim
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television shows.
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Speaker 2: The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife,
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it really is. But from a psychological perspective, it shows
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that her need to perform this persona to be seen
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as the provider, the nurturer never stopped. It wasn't just
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a tool for murder. It was the only identity she
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actually had.
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Speaker 1: Left exactly, and in the rare interviews she gave while incarcerated,
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she vehemently aggressively maintained her innocence.
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Speaker 2: She never confessed.
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Speaker 1: Never she claimed she was framed by the police, or
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she reiterated the defense's argument that the victims died naturally
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and she just panicked. She expressed a massive amount of
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self pity, leaned heavily into her faith, but showed absolutely
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zero remorse for the people who died in her house.
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She eventually died of natural causes at age eighty two
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on March twenty seven, twenty eleven.
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Speaker 2: The total lack of remorse is the final, definitive confirmation
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of her deep pathology. She remained the victim in her
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own narrative until the very last brunch.
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Speaker 1: She never took responsibility.
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Speaker 2: She never saw the people buried in her yard as
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human beings. They were just problems she had to manage.
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Speaker 1: And now her narrative is being handed over to Hollywood.
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Let's break down this upcoming HBO project because it is
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a massive deal in the entertainment world.
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Speaker 2: It is a huge project.
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Speaker 1: In July twenty twenty six, HBO officially announced the development
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of a premium true crime drama series simply titled Dorothea.
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Speaker 2: HBO entering this space with this specific story signals a
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major prestige production. They don't do.
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Speaker 1: Things by half, huge and the talent attached is top tier.
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The series is going to star and be executive produced
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by Gena.
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Speaker 2: Davis, Wow, Gina Davis, Yes.
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Speaker 1: Oscar winner Gina Davis, the icon from Thoma and Luise,
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and a league of their.
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Speaker 2: Own incredible casting.
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Speaker 1: The showrunner is Joshua Michael Stern, known for projects like
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The Steve Jobs, biopic Jobs, and the polical comedy Braves.
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And it's interesting to note the origins of the project too.
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Speaker 2: Where did it originate?
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Speaker 1: It was originated and push forward by Michael Rosenbaum, who
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a lot of people know as Lex Luthor from Smallville,
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along with Jane Whitney and Jeff Frost of Bristol Circle.
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Speaker 2: It's a fascinating, highly capable assembly of creative talent.
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Speaker 1: The log line given to the press lays it out perfectly.
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A Sacramento woman runs a boarding house with the less
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fortunate in the nineteen eighties, but her benevolence hides sinister
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motives murdering borders.
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Speaker 2: And cashing checks straight to the point.
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Speaker 1: It promises to explore her disarming demeanor, the intense investigation,
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and the landmark trial.
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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of our
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media landscape, the timing of this announcement is highly significant.
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Why now We are currently in an era where true
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crime is arguably the dominant genre in popular culture, but
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the genre is.
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Speaker 1: Evolving gets getting more complex.
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Speaker 2: Following the massive, unprecedented success of intensely psychological, character driven
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true crime series like Dahmer or documentary series like The Jinks,
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audiences are showing a sophisticated appetite for stories that go
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beyond just the forensic details of a murder.
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Speaker 1: They want the psychology.
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Speaker 2: Yes, there is a renewed intense cultural interest in female
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serial killers, who operate very differently from male serial killers. Also,
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they tend to kill for financial gain, they use poison,
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and they kill people within their care rather than hunting strangers.
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There is also a growing vital awareness of elder exploitation
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and the severe vulnerability of marginalized communities.
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Speaker 1: It's a huge issue today.
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Speaker 2: Dorothea Puente's story sits squarely at the intersection of all
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these current cultural fascinations.
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for the final product
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we are going to see on the screen? I am
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particularly hung up on the casting Ena Davis. Right. Gena
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Davis is universally beloved. She is known for her immense
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advocacy for women in media, and she usually plays highly empowered, iconic,
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often deeply sympathetic or heroic women. Usually yes, casting her
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as one of California's it's most notorious, cold blooded serial
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killers is a bold, almost jarring choice.
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Speaker 2: But it is brilliant casting precisely because it is jarring.
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What do you mean to accurately faithfully portray Dorothea Puente?
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You cannot cast an actor who looks inherently sinister.
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Speaker 1: Or creepy, because then the neighbors wouldn't have trusted her.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. You have to cast some of the audience instinctively trusts, respects,
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and likes, because that is exactly what Prente's victims, neighbors,
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and the social workers felt.
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Speaker 1: Ah, So they are manufacturing the halo effect for the
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audience precisely.
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Speaker 2: Geena Davis has that innate undeniable warmth and gravitas. This
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casting promises to bring intense psychological depth to the role.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be so layered.
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Speaker 2: The goal of a premium series like this won't be
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to excuse her crimes. The press materials note the show
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will likely humanize her without excusing her actions, but to
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examine the profound, tangled complexities of her childhood trauma, her
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severe mental health issues, her unyielding greed, and how she
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manipulated the very concept of justice.
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Speaker 1: She is a walking paradox.
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Speaker 2: Gena Davis is an actor uniquely capable of holding that
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paradox on screen, the sweet, charming grandmother who is simultaneously
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a ruthless, calculating predator.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be a fascinating watch and it really
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forces everyone watching to confront the fact that evil doesn't
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always look like a monster hiding in the dark.
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Speaker 2: It rarely does.
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Speaker 1: To synthesize this whole deep dive for everyone listening, we
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have traced an incredible, horrifying arc today.
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Speaker 2: A very dark journey.
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Speaker 1: We started with a traumatized orphan in nineteen twenty nine,
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suffering through the Great Depression, losing her family and experiencing
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horrific abuse, you, Ori. We watched that survival trauma warp
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into a compulsion, creating a documented pathological liar who literally
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invented entirely new exotic identities just to survive her own instability.
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Speaker 2: Heyaes single Wala Niarda exactly.
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Speaker 1: And then we saw that evolution culminate in the Death
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House Landlady, a grandmotherly serial killer who looked at a
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crumbling social safety net and turned it into a spider's web,
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systematically trapping the elderly and disabled for a monthly payoffs.
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Speaker 2: And manipulating everyone around her.
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Speaker 1: And now that dark legacy is being transformed into a
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premium HBO drama.
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Speaker 2: It is a dark, sprawling, deeply American story. And as
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we conclude our time today, I want to leave you
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with one final, deeply chilling thought to mull Over, drawing
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directly from a very specific, undeniable detail we discussed.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what are the.
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Speaker 2: The historical record clearly states that Puente targeted vulnerable tenets
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who were often referred to her by professional social workers.
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I want you to really let that sink in the
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very system that was explicitly designed, funded by taxpayers, and
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mandated by the state to protect society's most fragile citizens,
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was actively blindly hand delivering them to a predator.
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Speaker 1: Because they just didn't look close enough.
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Speaker 2: And why entirely because she knew exactly how to play
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the part of a good Christian woman who.
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Speaker 1: Wanted to help the ultimate weaponization of the halo effects exactly.
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Speaker 2: It forces us to add some very uncomfortable questions about
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our own world today right now.
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Speaker 1: How well do you actually vet the self proclaimed pillars
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of your own community.
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Speaker 2: That's a tough question. When someone wears the costume of
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a saint, do you ever bother to check what they
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are hiding underneath? And most pressingly, what current vulnerabilities in
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our modern, still overburdened safety nets are being actively exploited
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right now, this very minute by someone armed with nothing
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more than a friendly smile and a plate of warm food.
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Speaker 1: That is a terrifying, sobering thought to end on, but
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an absolutely necessary one if we want to actually learn
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from this history. Thank you so much for joining us
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on this deep dive into the story of Dorothy A. Puente.
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Keep questioning the narratives around you, stay curious, and we
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will catch you next time.