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Discovering the Holy Face of Jesus with Father Carney · Arena Ablaze Podcast

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  In the name of the Father and Son,
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  Holy Ghost, Amen.
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  Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is
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  with thee.
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  Blessed art thou among women, blessed is the
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  fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
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  Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us
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  sinners, now and at the hour of our
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  death.
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  Amen.
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  Our Lady of the Holy Name of God,
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  pray for us.
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  Saint John of Ancundo, pray for us.
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  Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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  All our patron saints and guardian angels, pray
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  for us.
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  In the name of the Father and Son,
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  Holy Ghost, Amen.
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  Amen.
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  Welcome into the arena.
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  This is the Arena of Blaze podcast, and
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  I'm your willing host, Marko Sandoval.
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  I'm joined, as always, by my fellow son
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  of Mark, Todd Powers.
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  Today we have the privilege of being joined
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  by Father Carney.
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  Father Carney is the priest walking the streets
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  of Wichita, Kansas, and preaching on the devotion
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  of the Holy Face to the Holy Face
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  of Jesus.
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  I would hope that we could start a
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  series on the Manual of the Archconfraternity of
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  the Holy Face, which was printed in 1887.
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  And so perhaps we could just do a
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  couple pages a day.
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  And so the first page has the conditions
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  to be a member of the Archconfraternity.
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  There's six of them.
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  The first one is to be inscribed on
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  the register of the Oratory of the Holy
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  Face.
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  The second one is to receive the Rule,
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  with the Certificate of Admission.
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  The third one is every day to recite
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  for the intentions of the Archconfraternity in Latin
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  or English, Apater Ave Gloria, and the invocation,
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  Domine Ostende Patium Tuum, et Salve Eremus, Lord,
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  show us thy face and we shall be
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  saved.
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  And for those of you that don't know
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  Latin, pater means our father, ave means a
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  Hail Mary, and gloria means glory be to
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  the Father.
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  Number four, to wear a little effigy of
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  the Holy Face, either on a cross, medal,
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  or scapular.
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  And so we'll find later on that this
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  Holy Face is not just any image of
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  the Holy Face, but it's the image that
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  Jesus left when he was carrying his cross.
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  It's called the Vow of Veronica.
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  And number five, to assist as far as
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  may be possible at the monthly meetings.
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  So to assist in as far as may
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  be possible at the monthly meetings.
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  And so that is really an important condition,
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  because the world and the revolution wants to
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  cover our faces and keep us isolated, but
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  this devotion is about coming together to see
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  each other face to face.
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  And six, to propagate to the utmost of
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  our power the devotion to the suffering face
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  of our Lord.
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  So those are the six conditions.
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  And then this is the image, the true
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  copy of the Holy Face of our Lord
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  Jesus Christ, which is presented and venerated very
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  religiously at Rome in the Basilica of St.
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  Peter at the Vatican.
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  And so before we finish up, just as
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  the traditional Latin Mass has a book, it's
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  called the Roman Missal for the Mass in
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  Latin, and it's very powerful to say the
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  Mass in that way, and the way to
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  practice the Holy Face devotion has a book.
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  It's this one.
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  And so this is the front page, and
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  it says, Manual of the Archconfraternity of the
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  Holy Face, all by a little office of
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  the Holy Name of God by the Reverend
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  Abbe Honvier.
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  And so he was Dean of the Metropolitan
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  Chapter of Tours, a priest of the Holy
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  Face, and this is very important, with the
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  approbation of Monsignor the Most Reverend Archbishop of
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  Tours.
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  And so I'll talk about that next time.
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  And this was translated from the French by
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  Mrs. A.R. Bennett, and at the bottom
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  it says, Tours, Oratory of the Holy Face,
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  and then it has the road 1887.
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  So when people follow the Holy Face, this
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  manual has been my little secret of great
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  success is because it's following it the way
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  that it was given to us.
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  So do you have any thoughts on that?
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  One question I have is the copy.
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  You said the true copy of the Veil
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  of Veronica.
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  Could you expand on that just a little
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  bit?
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  The true copy is when Veronica gave her
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  veil to Jesus when he was carrying his
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  cross, that he wiped his face on it
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  and left his image.
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  And this is a very brief history, but
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  she went to Rome when Saints Peter and
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  Paul were there, and she brought the veil
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  with her and showed it to the known
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  leader of the world, who was the emperor,
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  Augustus Tiberius, who had leprosy.
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  And when she opened the veil to him,
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  he was cured instantly because he wanted to
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  be healed by Jesus.
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  But Jesus had been crucified before Jesus could
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  be summoned to Rome.
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  And so when Veronica passed away, she gave
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  the veil to Pope Clement I, who was
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  the fourth pope, who was Pope from 91
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  to 100.
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  And so where's the veil now?
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  It's in Saint Peter's Basilica Church, and it
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  comes out once a year on Passion Sunday
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  during Lent.
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  And two canons or two archbishops will take
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  the veil, and like a monstrance, they'll bless
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  the people with the Veil of Veronica.
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  And so hopefully I'll be going there next
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  year to see it for the first time
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  in my life.
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  So that's a good question.
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  Another thing I would say is it is
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  consistent.
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  I hear people ask, now how do you
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  do this devotion?
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  It seems like the evil one has cast
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  a little bit of a confusion around it.
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  And so just in my experience as somebody
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  who practices it, it's one of those things
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  where you just have to actually interact with
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  it.
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  You learn it.
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  You learn by doing it.
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  It's best to get the manual and read
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  it, and then it's best to get the
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  chaplet in your hand.
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  Because I remember the first stumbling block was,
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  okay, what senses are where?
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  And I kind of came up with my
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  own system, touch, and then the senses kind
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  of follow down from your ear into the
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  face.
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  So it's very much something that you have
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  to learn by doing, I think.
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  What it does is it enhances our spiritual
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  life without adding a lot more time to
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  our spiritual life.
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  Because a lot of people are scared to
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  add more already, because they're already drawn in
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  so many different ways in their states in
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  life.
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  And so this devotion enhances our spiritual life
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  as it is already.
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  So that's something that when people start to
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  pray it as it was given to us
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  to pray, that their spiritual life starts to
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  take a different stride.
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  And so St. Therese of the Child Jesus
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  and of the Holy Face, when she was
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  given...
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  I mean, she signed up in this arch
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  confraternity two years before this book was printed.
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  And a lot of the prayers that are
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  in here, you can see when she wrote
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  her prayers, they're pretty much coming from here.
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  And when she was told by her blood
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  sister, who was also her superior, Mother Agnes,
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  she basically said, Therese, you've been devoted to
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  the Child Jesus.
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  Now you need to mature your devotion to
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  the suffering face of Jesus.
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  And she said, Therese, you have it within
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  you, and I want you under obedience to
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  read the autobiography of Sister Marietta St. Pierre.
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  So who's that?
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  Sister Marietta St. Pierre was a Carmelite in
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  the 1840s who received this devotion.
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  And she was told to write her life
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  story under obedience.
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  And when she passed away, her autobiography was
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  sent around the Carmels in France.
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  And so that's how they had a copy
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  of that biography.
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  And when Therese got devoted to the Holy
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  Face, she made giant steps to the interior
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  life.
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  And so that's a secret.
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  Scholars are debating who's the most popular saint
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  of all time, and they're putting Therese up
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  there in the top ten.
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  She may be number one.
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  So this is a very powerful thing that
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  we found, and you guys are here to
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  help me reveal it to the audience at
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  large.
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  I'm quiet because I'm humbled.
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  I don't really know.
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  I'm speechless that I've been given this gift
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  of you being in my life and God
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  allowing me for my life to slow down
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  enough to try to understand this.
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  One of the things that I continuously am
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  amazed of in my Catholic faith is the
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  depth at which I am pulled up.
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  When I get to a point of understanding,
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  there's so much more to know.
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  And it's scary isn't the word, overwhelming.
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  We just talked here a few minutes ago
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  when I realized I was being asked to
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  sprint to an unknown finish line as a
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  former basketball player that kept it back.
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  Like, I keep it back.
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  I'm not giving you everything because I don't
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  know when I'm going to need that last
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  bit.
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  It's terrifying to sprint to an unknown finish
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  line, but yet knowing, hoping that I'm going
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  to be given more energy to complete the
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  task.
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  I played basketball, won championships, know what winning
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  takes, and this is the, it's not a
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  game, my faith isn't a game, but there's
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  things I need to do.
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  And a lot of men think, well, I
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  want to go out and blaze a glory
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  and be a martyr.
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  And I've told Marco, I said, so many
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  things have to happen in order for God
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  to bless a man with that death, that
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  there's training.
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  You just don't get to say, okay, go
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  on, the lions are going to eat you
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  now.
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  There's so many things that have to happen
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  to my heart and soul prior to that
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  occurring.
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  And it's just slowly impressed upon me by
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  my relationships that I'm introduced to in my
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  life.
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  Sorry for the long-windedness.
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  Well, I'm sure we'll have more questions, but
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  another thing I want to say is, like
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  you mentioned St. Therese's prayers, taking on the
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  Archdiocese of the Holy Face, speaking in that
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  kind of language.
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  One thing I would say about the devotion
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  is when you practice the devotion to the
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  Holy Face, it becomes that you see the
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  Holy Face everywhere and you put your mind
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  and your heart in the place of the
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  senses of Jesus in the Scripture readings and
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  just when you pray the rosary, you think
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  of it, it's just so much, as you
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  said, devotion makes your heart more tender.
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  It really does make you so much more
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  intimate.
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  It makes your relationship with Jesus more intimate.
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  That's my experience because of the sensual nature
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  of the Holy Face devotion.
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  The tender-heartedness, it's hard for me.
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  I was bullied as a kid.
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  I had a soft heart, and I developed
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  a hard heart because I had to from
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  a psychological standpoint.
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  So it's kind of anathema to me to
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  feel a tenderness or allow myself to be
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  vulnerable like this.
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  Yeah, and so that's what devotion is for.
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  It's for us to overcome our childhood fears
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  and to grow from them.
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  One of the things about devotion to the
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  Holy Face of Jesus is it focuses on
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  all the pains and sufferings of Jesus.
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  Like there's a Mass of the Five Wounds,
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  and so we're all wounded, and so this
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  Mass of the Five Wounds teaches us that
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  our wounds can become our strengths.
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  And that's why Thomas was asked to touch
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  the side of Jesus, and that strengthened Thomas.
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  And so that's the thing is when God
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  allows us to be wounded, that those wounds
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  are transformed into strengths like Jesus.
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  And speaking of devotion, going back to St.
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  Therese, why is she so popular?
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  I think it's because of her devotion to
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  the Holy Face, to suffering Jesus.
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  And when she would pray the Psalms, she
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  said it's as if every page, the Holy
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  Face of God would jump out at me
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  and remind her of devotion to the face
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  of God.
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  So I thought that was neat.
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  That was kind of interesting.
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  I was preparing for this, and I have
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  a 33-day consecration to merciful love.
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  I was flipping through there, and one of
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  the pages has a picture of St. Therese
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  with the image of the Holy Face.
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  And I was like, wow, that's awesome.