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Ep. 875: Grizz Attack, Mountain Lions Rebound, and a $44K Walleye · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show. On this week, we talked
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: to a former smoke jumper who wants your vote. Spencer Catches,
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: I mean reports on a forty four thousand dollars Iowa walleye.
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Some weird old people are being weird about swans and
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: other waterfowl in North Carolina. We've got a few grizzly
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  Speaker 1: tags here in Montana going down, including a fatality. Spear
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  Speaker 1: fishermen are coming for your walllwyse in Michigan and I'm
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  Speaker 1: joining them. And Doctor Randall reports on public lands transfers
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  Speaker 1: in Alaska, plus a whole lot more. Welcome, But first
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  Speaker 1: is always our news.
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  Speaker 2: It starts.
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  Speaker 1: Meeta Roast. We got a new episode dropping today. Me
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  Speaker 1: and Yanni have a showdown immediate to Roast and Me
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  Speaker 1: and Yanni's wives judge it mm hmm. You know, someone
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: pointed out to me. They said they'd never tell anybody this,
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: but they said, someone that watched the cut said your
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: wife hacks on your cooking, because she does, but he
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  Speaker 1: says she gets visibly defensive when someone else hacks on
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  Speaker 1: your cooking. Interesting, which I haven't watched to take No,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I like that.
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  Speaker 7: I guys filmed that man, you honest, be honest, did
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  Speaker 7: not have a lot of good things to say about you.
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  Speaker 7: He said you were just like scattered all over the place,
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  Speaker 7: trying to do too much at once.
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  Speaker 8: He said that, oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: This is all getting cut out. By the way, you
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  Speaker 4: can't spoil me up.
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  Speaker 1: Who's the uh so our Save Tuckertown campaign, who's got
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  Speaker 1: the Oh, the donation deadline is May fourteen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so just just pay attention to that. And we've
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  Speaker 5: just got a couple more days.
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  Speaker 1: So again helped me.
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  Speaker 3: They're at one hundred and sixty three thousand dollars raised
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  Speaker 3: out of the two hundred thousand dollars goal, which will
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  Speaker 3: be matched by one hundred thousand for Meat Eater and
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  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand for Onnex.
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  Speaker 1: And what's the closest, what's the closest municipality here. Well,
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  Speaker 1: how do we say in your neck of the woods, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Southeast of Salisbury, North Carolina. Okay, uh, northeast of Charlotte.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So two things out of North Carolina today, just
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  Speaker 1: as a recap.
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  Speaker 3: Halfway between Winston Salem and Charlotte.
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  Speaker 1: Alcoa, who's having the luminum having the luna business. Alcoa
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  Speaker 1: owned a bunch of land near the Tuckertown Reservoir. They'd
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  Speaker 1: always manage it as public land. Alcoa wants to divest
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  Speaker 1: of that asset. Okay. So one option when divesting from
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  Speaker 1: an asset is they We're just sell it off and
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  Speaker 1: then people are gonna buy it and it'll become like houses,
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  Speaker 1: or you contribute to the effort to like buy it
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  Speaker 1: and make it permanently public land. So we're at meat
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  Speaker 1: Eater working with on X and we're doing a matching thing.
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  Speaker 1: Your donations come in, we match them dollar for dollar
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  Speaker 1: up to the point that we hit two hundred grand. No,
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  Speaker 1: is that right? Two hundred grand of matches, Yeah, something
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we have two hundred thousand matching phones.
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  Speaker 5: So you guys can go to the medater dot com
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  Speaker 5: and search land access and our land Access twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: six page will pop up and there's a link to
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  Speaker 5: make a donation there.
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  Speaker 8: I killed a big old white tail buck on some
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  Speaker 8: former Alcoa land in North Carolina, no different state. It's
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  Speaker 8: hanging in the med Eater store.
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  Speaker 1: What's the.
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  Speaker 8: Uh Texas?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're being weird about it. I don't know, because
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  Speaker 1: it's like that, you know, Bot burned.
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  Speaker 8: Texas because tenn a. This is why I told you
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  Speaker 8: Texas and I decided it was okay.
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  Speaker 1: It used to be alcohol I heard on that podcast
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  Speaker 1: was some deer in Texas. Yeah, like going down there, Randall, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: did you win?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Uh that's a talk about spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I went down By the time you're listening
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  Speaker 3: to this would be the weekend before last to the
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  Speaker 3: very southeastern corner of Wyoming, just across from the Kansas
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  Speaker 3: or I'm sorry, the Nebraska border.
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  Speaker 1: Jerney Turkey's gobble. Nope, not a single gobble the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: Nope, Nope.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Shot. The KRG Extreme e l R match hosted by
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  Speaker 3: High Planes Precision was So that's extreme extreme long range,
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  Speaker 3: extreme extreme long range. Yes, yes, And this is something
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  Speaker 3: that there's a lot of very dedicated practitioners of the
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  Speaker 3: of the discipline, and I went down there with zero
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  Speaker 3: preparation or training. I finished one eighteen out of one
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  Speaker 3: thirty seven, and I was going, you beat some guys, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and actually.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were like, you're competing against like military snipers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and just mostly enthusiasts. But I had There were
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  Speaker 3: only three people who hadn't shot this exact match before,
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  Speaker 3: and I was one of them. So I like to
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  Speaker 3: think of as great, that's like this it's not about you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about who you beat. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was gunning for number one thirty six, and I
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  Speaker 3: surpassed my hopes and expectations.
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  Speaker 1: How many people did you beat?
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  Speaker 3: Nineteen?
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  Speaker 1: I think like you could have said, you could have
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  Speaker 1: said twenty one. I went down there and bested. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I bested nineteen competitors on I'm doing all.
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  Speaker 3: My math rock.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, like in some other world that's like your.
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  Speaker 1: Place, I'd just say yeah, I'd say nothing more. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I bested nineteen competitors.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a couple of ways of looking at it.
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  Speaker 3: Either I exceeded my expectation where I came in near
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  Speaker 3: the very tail end of the finishers, I hit like
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  Speaker 3: between twenty three and twenty four percent of my points
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  Speaker 3: and the winner only got seventy percent of the points available.
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  Speaker 3: So it was the longest shot you made in practice
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  Speaker 3: or during the match. During the match practice, during the match,
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  Speaker 3: my longest shot was thirteen fifty three. That was my
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  Speaker 3: first my long over a mile in practice, my longest
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  Speaker 3: first round impact. Yeah, I went twice. Well, I had
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  Speaker 3: three hits over a mile in practice. The longest one
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  Speaker 3: was twenty three to twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: You hit at that, yeah. Oh, I was saying to
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  Speaker 1: him that it's long when there's no year that was
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  Speaker 1: that year, Yeah, because he's talking about other distances that
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  Speaker 1: had years. Yeah, but nineteen eighty five, eighteen thirty three. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But then you get into thing that a year that
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  Speaker 1: hasn't happened. That's a long ways a shot. It is
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  Speaker 1: because then you're like to like twoenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 3: But another way of thinking about the long way, ninety
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  Speaker 3: five yard shot is so much further removed from where
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  Speaker 3: we are today that it it Maybe that's more alien
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  Speaker 3: than like twenty twenty nine.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was good. Did you call yourself?
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  Speaker 10: I did?
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  Speaker 1: Did your wife go no?
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  Speaker 3: She found out how far away it was and she
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  Speaker 3: didn't go.
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  Speaker 1: She backed out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so did Phil. Actually, I had a couple of
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  Speaker 3: people that wanted to go, and then they found out
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  Speaker 3: I was driving nine hours and they didn't go.
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  Speaker 1: But wild Phil back out.
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  Speaker 3: It's just basically the drive time, Is that true, Phil?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I thought it'd be a fun time. There
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  Speaker 4: was karaoke to be had.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, yeah lost my voice SiO.
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  Speaker 4: That was a big carrot for me, and I just did.
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  Speaker 1: The drive was too much as the karaoke rolled into
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  Speaker 1: the shooting contest.
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  Speaker 3: It's sort of a natural outgrowth of the we We
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  Speaker 3: also did trivia. I hosted trivia on Friday Night with
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  Speaker 3: the match director what yeah, Yeah, this is the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: I got it when I was deer hunting last year.
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  Speaker 3: I got a message on Instagram from jose Gardner, friend
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  Speaker 3: of the program, uh, and he said, look, I host
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  Speaker 3: this match in Wyoming in May, and I think you'd
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  Speaker 3: have a good time. Plus I've always wanted to have
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  Speaker 3: ballistics related trivia. And I said, I'm in who wrote
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  Speaker 3: the trivia?
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  Speaker 2: Him?
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  Speaker 3: No, I did, I did most of it.
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  Speaker 8: Did you did you set to be too hard for us?
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  Speaker 8: Because it's all about long range shooting. We're too dumb.
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  Speaker 3: But a man who wrote a book on ballistics told
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  Speaker 3: me it was good.
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  Speaker 1: Afterwards the trivia, Yeah, did you have anything in there
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  Speaker 1: about the Coriolis effect?
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  Speaker 3: I did?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I prot the past.
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  Speaker 3: Have you seen the movie Shooter with Mark Wahlberg?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 9: I have not.
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  Speaker 3: It's a key plot.
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  Speaker 1: Point, quick thing. I've talked about this book two times
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  Speaker 1: on the show, but I don't know what it was.
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  Speaker 1: I knew that there was some kind of firewood book,
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  Speaker 1: and I knew that it had something to do with
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Europeans. I'm holding it my hand. Jim Zumble
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  Speaker 1: gave it to me. This is a fetishist text. If
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  Speaker 1: you have a firewood fetish, this book is for you.
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  Speaker 1: But find the mystery is solved. Norwegian wood chopping, stacking,
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  Speaker 1: and drying kind of redundant plumit.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's Norwegian wood, right, then, that's what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes more sense. The Okay, that's true. I
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  Speaker 1: was it could be titled Norwegian wood chopping, stacking and
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  Speaker 1: drying wood the Scandinavian Way, or you could read it
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  Speaker 1: Norwegian wood chopping, stacking and drying wood the Scandinavian way.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, I would have never had a redundancy of
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  Speaker 1: words between my title and subtitle.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, there's no better word.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm telling you what, man, if you get your
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: jolly's off looking at expertly stacked wood, Phil, how.
• 10:09
  Speaker 4: Do we just where? Could I put point at the
• 10:12
  Speaker 4: camera in front of you?
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Can you zoom in on that? If I had that,
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: I'd say, no one burned any of that ship? Can
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: they see it? Good? Can I see what they see?
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: Or can't you do that?
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  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 10:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah I can.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: I can show you that I want to see if
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: there's oh they can see it? Yeah, that's nothing.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: Look at this.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: I like, cow, he's used all those palettes.
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  Speaker 1: This dude build a house out of firewood? Wait a minute?
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  Speaker 2: Or that house meant for burning or living?
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. You can tell. You can
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: tell a guy like, hey, man, just step into that
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: little house there and make yourself comfortable. Can I show
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: this one, Phil?
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: Wow, there's nothing yet.
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  Speaker 3: Damn, that's nice.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: Nothing because wait till I find the house.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe that needs to be the new calendar.
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some dudes in here to can stack some wood. Man,
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: But there's a guy that made up uh.
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: Damn it and also just a quick the titles. I
• 11:04
  Speaker 4: think a play on non the Beatles song nor Reegian
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: would so I don't think it's a translation thing.
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  Speaker 2: Great song, Yeah, kind of a bummer.
• 11:14
  Speaker 4: The Buddy Rich Big Band has a just face melting
• 11:16
  Speaker 4: cover of it. If you like jazz, just throw that
• 11:18
  Speaker 4: out there.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm did I ever tell you that? Jazz? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Norwegian wood parenthetic?
• 11:26
  Speaker 8: This one film was Silo.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's a stack of firewood.
• 11:32
  Speaker 6: Damn those people are talented long winters.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: Well, Jim Zumbo, I never found the house. There's a
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: house made out of firewood in there. Jim Zumble said
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: he has firewood O c D when he was on
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: the show. He has like a problem with firewood, and
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: so I think he does this kind of deal.
• 11:50
  Speaker 6: Mmm, maybe you should do sheds at his place?
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, meteor, Why has no one done that?
• 11:57
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: The great idea?
• 11:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll just call I love to do it.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, Uh randal me again? Are you doing this?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: For those of you that are gearing up for the
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: spring summer or even getting a jumpstart on the fall,
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: don't miss out on our upcoming spring sales starting this Thursday,
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  Speaker 3: May fourteenth, we'll have discounts on first Light, Phelps, Fahef
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: and up to fifty percent off logo where on the
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: meat Eater store will have And there's a punctuation missing there. Anyway,
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: there's incredible thing guys, this Norwegian daily deals and new
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: products for you to check out the daily deals. I understand.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a different thing every day. And when we're
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  Speaker 3: when they're gone, they're gone. So just keep checking in
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  Speaker 3: starts May fourteenth. It's the spring sale.
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  Speaker 4: When did you become the guy who reads the copy
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: in the spring.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I like it though, I do like it. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: listener wrote in this is more news from North Carolina?
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: Did you did you got more you want to add?
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: No, I just like do more ad reads.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: If you should do it in the U maybe he
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: can do him till he gets good at them.
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  Speaker 7: Should do it in I think you should do it
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  Speaker 7: in the Ken Burns voice.
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we could do all kinds of different voice.
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  Speaker 1: A guy from North Carolina rode in lake. Yeah, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think it is? We agreed? Juniusca Western North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lake owned by the World Methodist Organization. Now
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: follow along here. Okay, this is called this is about
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  Speaker 1: a thing called the Swan Patrol. The lake is approximately
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  Speaker 1: two hundred acres and is the only major body of
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: water within almost three counties. Okay, it's deep in the
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Appalachian Range. You're not allowed to hunt on it, but
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: guys like to fish it. For the last several years,
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  Speaker 1: this writer says. This listener says, a local group that
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  Speaker 1: has been dubbed the Swan Patrol has taken up the
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: responsibility of feeding, herding, trapping, and relocating local waterfowl. The
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  Speaker 1: World Methodist Organization has granted the Swan Patrol permission to
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  Speaker 1: rope off exceptionally large sections of the lake's bank to
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  Speaker 1: allow a safe nesting area for the birds. The Patrol
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  Speaker 1: not only does this to the small population of mute
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  Speaker 1: swans that live at the lake, but also to all
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: but also to all types of waterfowl, including ducks, geese,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: and coots. They regularly go out in a group of
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: up to five to six people and feed the bird's
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: massive amounts of corn. He's saying they're having such an
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: impact that the birds don't migrate out of there, They
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: just stay there to eat the corn. He says, I
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: know the lake has a right as property owners to
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: restrict bank access, but everyone's questioned around here as if
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  Speaker 1: they're allowed to tamper with the wildlife to this extent. No,
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  Speaker 1: you're not. One instance that caused much discussion locally it
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  Speaker 1: was one of the Swan patrol captured a swan that
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: accidentally went over the dam. They crowded into a dog
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: crate and moved it back to the upper part of
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: the lake. Going to happen again. He says he's seen
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: them load wild mallards into cages in their cars to
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: take them to other parts of the lake. Is this legal, No,
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  Speaker 1: it's just how does the.
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  Speaker 7: Swan accidentally go over a dam?
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Like maybe full of corner?
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: He says, I will mention, Like he tells you he's
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: gonna mention it, then he mentions it. The writer says,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I will mention. This group does consist of members with
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: ages raining ranging from the sixties to their eighties. It
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: is kind of I don't like it experience, Yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: like I could be like with those dudes and I
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: might just seem like slightly younger. Yeah, but yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: not a thing you like just for the That's not
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  Speaker 1: the thing you're allowed to do.
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  Speaker 7: He's got a point though, people that age like to
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: tinker with shiite stuff like tinker.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, we got a special, We got a special Guests
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  Speaker 1: in the Studio night, joined by Sam forst Egg.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Steve, thanks for having me. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, So what you're doing and the reason you're here, Well,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: you're here for a couple of reasons. One, you're here
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: because you're running in the primary, that's right. The So
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: for background, if you listen to the show some time ago,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: we had on a representative, Ryan Zinki. He's leaving m hm.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: And so there's gonna be like things are getting spicy.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a vacant seat. You're running in the primary,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: seeking the prime, the Democrat primary. I am for the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: western Montana thing.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Montana's first.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: What caught me, what caught my interest is your background.
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  Speaker 1: That And you might get sick of people saying this,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: but it just kind of it's like said, every time
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I see your name, it's thrown in there. How you
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: were a smoke jumper.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Smoke jumper, Yeah, union leader. I thought you were going
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: to bring up the sauna.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: But what about the sauna?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, we got to hell a son in the back.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Hered you'll come over for the next time you have
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: a sweet Yeah. Oh no, you think the Scandinavians are
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: particular about wood shopping.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Oh you you're a woodman too. Yeah. So I keep
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: saying this that you're running and that you have no
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: political experience. This is your first time, this is your
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: this would be your.
• 17:37
  Speaker 11: First time running for anything more than vice president of
• 17:39
  Speaker 11: my union's local. Okay, so I don't mean no political experience,
• 17:41
  Speaker 11: but on the national state. Yeah, and then spend all
• 17:45
  Speaker 11: that spent four years as a smoke jumper.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Tell people what a smoke jumper is.
• 17:49
  Speaker 11: Well, we parachute out a parachute into wildfires to stop
• 17:52
  Speaker 11: them before they grow. I'm an idea of speed, range payload.
• 17:56
  Speaker 11: That's how you sell the program. We can get there quick,
• 17:58
  Speaker 11: fixed wing airplanes put them out while they're males. You
• 18:00
  Speaker 11: don't end up spending you know, tens of millions of
• 18:02
  Speaker 11: dollars fighting a wildfire. And yeah, I spend eight years
• 18:05
  Speaker 11: doing wild and fire in the last four as a
• 18:06
  Speaker 11: smoke jumper.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I never thought of that as a cost saving measure.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the idea.
• 18:11
  Speaker 11: Before it's on the national news and stuff. Yeah, I
• 18:13
  Speaker 11: mean ideal. You get four guys on the ground, you
• 18:15
  Speaker 11: can put something out at a quarter acre. It's a
• 18:16
  Speaker 11: lot cheaper than you wait till you gotta bring a
• 18:18
  Speaker 11: bunch of heavy equipment, hand crewise all the rest in Yeah.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Well, how did you wind up with for service?
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 18:23
  Speaker 11: I graduated um over in Missula. Hold it against me,
• 18:26
  Speaker 11: and I worked two or three jobs. I went to
• 18:28
  Speaker 11: school there.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Oh you did?
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Really well, you got your MFA.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Well, yeah, I mean in all soul,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: not a very degree.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well we both leave around.
• 18:43
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I loved it there. Did not love having to
• 18:45
  Speaker 11: work two or three jobs at a time the whole time.
• 18:47
  Speaker 11: And I still had debt on the back end. So
• 18:48
  Speaker 11: I figured I'd do wild and Fire for a couple
• 18:50
  Speaker 11: of years pay my debts. And when I heard you
• 18:52
  Speaker 11: get paid to jump out of airplanes in the public lands,
• 18:54
  Speaker 11: I figured I had to stick around long enough to
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: do that.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Is there an elimination process for that? Like, how do
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you go about getting in there? There is?
• 19:00
  Speaker 11: So it usually takes folks till their fifth or sixth
• 19:02
  Speaker 11: year and fire to get picked up by a jump program.
• 19:05
  Speaker 11: Rookie training is a six week process, you apply for
• 19:08
  Speaker 11: the program, yep. Yeah, so I applied for three years
• 19:10
  Speaker 11: running before I got picked up my fifth year.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, fighting fire the whole time.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:15
  Speaker 11: I started over in Lincoln, That's how I knew, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 11: how far north that little half it goes. And did
• 19:20
  Speaker 11: three years in the Swan Valley and Condon on a
• 19:22
  Speaker 11: hand crew, and then I got picked up for as
• 19:24
  Speaker 11: a rookie candidate. In about fifty or sixty percent of
• 19:28
  Speaker 11: people make it through. There's better forty or fifty percent
• 19:30
  Speaker 11: attrition rate wash out rate OLMIT.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: So you get accepted to a program and then there's
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a wash out rate within the program. Yeah, like once
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you're accepted. Yeah, and what what what mechanism do they
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: use to find people's limits?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Well, so they're kind of standard.
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: Six week program is a week a hell week where
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: they are just torturing the hell out of you. Depending
• 19:52
  Speaker 11: on the base, you might have a twenty four hour
• 19:53
  Speaker 11: line dig. Everybody's got to go through a one hundred
• 19:56
  Speaker 11: and ten pound pack test, eighty five pound pack test
• 19:58
  Speaker 11: over rough terrains or on over five six thousand feet elevation,
• 20:03
  Speaker 11: and really they just kicked the shit out of you
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: for about a week. You got to go through units week.
• 20:06
  Speaker 11: It's a whole lot of the technical side of parachuting.
• 20:08
  Speaker 11: Make it sure you can hook up a parachute harness
• 20:10
  Speaker 11: without any airs, shooting up under two minutes, repelling out
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: of what would be a tree if you were to
• 20:15
  Speaker 11: tree up, and then four weeks of jump face and
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: so there's a lot of a lot of spots where
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: you can mess up, and there's.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Not a lot of room for air.
• 20:21
  Speaker 11: I have the ideas they don't want anyone who's going
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: to end up in the program who might be a
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: risk to themselves or anybody else, because yeah, there's four
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: of you in the woods. You don't you don't want
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: to have to be calling life flight or anything like that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: How many times did you jump in on fires?
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: I got thirty four fire jumps total, in one hundred
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: and thirty some altogether.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Really how many states?
• 20:39
  Speaker 11: I think eight states I got to jump in I
• 20:41
  Speaker 11: I was lucky. Yeah, all over the West, so you
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: got the jump. You're jumping into places you've never been obviously. Oh,
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: it's some of the most beautiful corners of the country,
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: even Canada, you know, back when they had their big
• 20:49
  Speaker 11: fire season. A couple of years ago and you got
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: you jumped into Canada. Yeah, yeah, when they had that
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: for you know, terrible fire season was that twenty three? Yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: I want to say, yeah, I was lucky enough to
• 20:58
  Speaker 11: be on the first wave American jumpers to go up
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: in thirteen years and yeah, four fires all over and
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: it was I mean that I think they you know
• 21:06
  Speaker 11: ten xt what they their previous record had been for
• 21:08
  Speaker 11: acres burned, who was just unprecedented.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: You jump in on a plane, then get picked up
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: in a helicopter or walk out.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: To your road or yeah, I mean the pack out
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: is the famous way to get out of there.
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: So you're jumping in and see a smoke jumper, looks
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: like you got a big diaper you're wearing.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: That's your packout bag. So got about one hundred and
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: ten pounds.
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: If you're not ordering a chainsaw powerhead's going to be
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: another twenty five and usually schlep that stuff out of
• 21:28
  Speaker 11: there and find a ride.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: So they'll often tell you to walk out, like to walk.
• 21:33
  Speaker 11: Out, Yeah, I mean that's the standard procedure if you
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: can get a helicopter and get a rockstar exit. Absolutely,
• 21:38
  Speaker 11: But I mean the idea is self sufficiency. I mean
• 21:40
  Speaker 11: that's you talk about cost savings. I mean something a
• 21:43
  Speaker 11: lot of folks don't know about jumpers, as we manufacture
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: almost all of our own materials, so everything short of
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: the canopy is made manufactured in house. Ur Keviler jumpsuits
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: are the bags that were carrying those pack out bags? Yeah,
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: there's a lot of sewing that goes on in the
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: off season.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: What was the farthest you ever had to walk to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: get out of there?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I think, my love, your pack out with six miles.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: So I got like, not like terror. I thought if
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you'd have told me thirty, I wouldn't have been surprised.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I meaned I don't know what I
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what kind of stuff you were doing, because
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: thirty I'm calling a helicopter.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: It's a lot. Yeah.
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: Did you ever have to sleep out there while fighting fire?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you're jumping, you should be ready to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: be out there for two weeks.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: What.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's the expectation. Two weeks. You can
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: extend to three.
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: If you're making it to two weeks, you probably didn't
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: catch that thing and you're calling in a bunch of
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: other resources to fight this fire.
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: Real, what's the longest you did spend out there?
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: You know, I had thirty one days straight, which was
• 22:33
  Speaker 11: kind of skimmed to a place you parachuted into, and
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: we parachuted into the Three Sisters Wilderness a couple couple
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: of years back. Spent just over two weeks out there,
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: and then got rolled into a complex. I ended up
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: managing a little task force heavy equipment.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you like whatever, if you got a girlfriend
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: or something, you're like, hey, I'll be back, like later
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: or not.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Whet avorce rate is high, Yeah for wild fire later
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: or maybe in a few weeks. Yeah, it's tough staying
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: in touch with your family.
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: And that's the hard thing about wild and fire, whether
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: you're a jumper on a hot shot crew or an engine.
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: I mean, there's just not a lot of consistency, and
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: you got to give up your summers, you know, if
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: nothing else, and the only way you make money, especially
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: if you're making fifteen sixteen bucks an hour, which was
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: I mean, my starting wage was fifteen bucks an hours
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: a smoke jumper. The right you only make money if
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: you're making overtime. So if you're not on a fire,
• 23:14
  Speaker 11: you're going broke fifteen bucks an hour.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that I mean adds outside of the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: McDonald's better now.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Tough, Yeah, full time at DQ in Livingston's at twenty well,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: and a lot.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: That's what it got me into this.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: A lot of it is.
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: I mean, our public lands employees are not paid crazy
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: wages by any means. I mean when I started, I
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: was making twelve to seventy an hour on the engine
• 23:34
  Speaker 11: and and that was the going rate. I didn't hit
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: fifteen until I was a rookie smoke jumper. And when
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: I was vice president of my union last year, well
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: that's when all the dose cuts and all the rest started.
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: And they ended up firing three hundred and sixty people
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: in one day two Valentine's Days ago. Eighty five percent
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: of them are making less than twenty bucks an hour.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Well that's the new Valentine's Day mask.
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: It is absolutely and there's a lot of inefficiencies in
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: the federal government. Believe me, I've seen them. It's not
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: people making thirteen bucks an hour swinging a tool to
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: keep a trail clear, road clear, right, And it's all
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: the most efficient.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Workers we got.
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: They had gs twos that they were firing in Montana.
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: I mean that's eleven dollars and some change keeping a
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: trail clear. You know, it's it's absurdity. And these are
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: the people who actually do the damn work. And that's
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: who was losing their jobs, having their lives turned upside down.
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: And when I called congress Person's Inkys office four or
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: five times, I got crickets. So I said, if he's
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: going to take my coworkers and members' jobs, I'm going
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: to come take his.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: So when, like when you left, what was the path
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: with leaving that and getting involved in sort of you
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: don't call it the like the policy end of things. Yeah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: like you left being a smoke jumper and then came
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: in and did were a union representative for who?
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: So our union is the National Federation of Federal Employees. Okay,
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: so not just fire crews, No, it's it's all. It's
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: the Forest Service branch of the Union, Forest Service Council,
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: our locals, the Low Low National Forest, the bitter Root,
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: and the Customer Gallon out here which we just organized
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: last year, and some of the regional officers that are
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: getting shut down right now as they can. Sull Day
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: down to Salt Lake City in Denver and all the rest.
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: That's about eight hundred public servants and federal employees. And yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: a whole lot of those folks lost their jobs, and
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: we lost about a quarter of the agency in the
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: state last year.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And you were in this, you were in your role
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: when that was going on.
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: I was, I mean I stepped into it beginning of January,
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: so I stepped in just in time for all these
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: cuts to start coming down.
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: What was that like?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: It was chaos and it was heartbreaking.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I mean truly.
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: We were getting stories and calls from members like Galcara
• 25:30
  Speaker 11: down to the bitter Root. She was fifteen years into
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: her civil service. She was an archaeologist down in Hamilton.
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: She got fired one day with no notice, no cause,
• 25:38
  Speaker 11: because she just happened to have taken a lateral transfer
• 25:41
  Speaker 11: in the last year so she could do more remote
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: work while she went through chemotherapy.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Kara was not getting rich. I fell down.
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: An enis on the custerer Galltin, who got a text
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: while he's in line at the airport for his mother's
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: funeral telling him that he's lost his job. And he
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: was only a GS five, so he's losing the job.
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: He was only making sixteen bucks an hour at in
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: the first place. And it's I mean, it is so
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: agriv and because these folks were not making a whole
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: lot to begin with. And again because this is not
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: where the damn inefficiency is right. These are the people
• 26:06
  Speaker 11: doing keeping all of these things together. And there are
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: a lot of ways to sell off our public land.
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: Selling off the acreage is just one of them.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: The plan right now for the Forest Services to be
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: is to draw it down to one third of the
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: staffing levels we were at a year and a half ago.
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: You got one third of the people managing all the
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: same lands. It's a hell of an excuse to turn
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: around and say, like, well, why ain't that trail clearer?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: It's not working.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: We got to the point to the ways it's not
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: working out. Yeah, yeah, I hear that. I hear that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: all the time. I don't know that. I'll be curious
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to you guys think about this. I don't know. I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: hear that, but I don't know that that will be
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the playbook. Yeah, I don't know. I hear it like
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: that A logic would go, we don't need to spend
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a ton of time on this, but that people will
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: express that The logic would be deprive the land management
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: agencies of funding have then watch how chaos ensues, fires, mismanagement,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and then someone could say, look how bad they're doing.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: What what a what a disaster? We need to do
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: something about this and put this in the hands of
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: someone that can better care for it. Sure, like I
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: hear it. I'm not saying it won't happen. I just
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's well, that'll be the sure rhetoric.
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: You don't think someone like Mike Lee might make that argument.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, because he makes every argument less time it was
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: it it was the legal immigration. It was wanting to
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: like do things one hundred miles into Montana because of
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: illegal immigration across the Canadian border. So sure, there's some
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: grasping its straws.
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: Yeah, well I'll tell okay, sure, yes, And I mean
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: Mike Lee is gonna go for he wants the acreage, right,
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: he wants the land itself. Yeah, but what I see
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: on the ground is I mean, this is it's not new.
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: They're just stepping up the pace of this. And I
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: mean I was on a fire this summer. We jumped
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: the fire outside of Steamboat Springs.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Huh and twelve of us jump in.
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: This thing goes to five hundred acres, and so we
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: were calling a bunch of resources in that three days
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: in I'm managing a task force of hand crews, and
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: we put in an order for the most some of
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: the most basic firefighting implements pumps and hoses, and they
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: tell me, well, we're not getting those till the end
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: of shift tomorrow because they just shut down the gear
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: cash here and steamboat. So we got to overnight airmail
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: the pumps and hoses from Denver. It'll get here tomorrow.
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: We got to have someone drive it up to the line.
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: We'll get it tomorrow night. So not only is the
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: firefighting itself taken longer, but we're paying so much more
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: to overnight airmail thousands of pounds of equipment that used
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: to be stored right there. I mean, that's the point
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: of a gear cash and those I mean, those examples
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: are legion. You know, when I'm putting in order for
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: a hand crew, it's early July and you want a.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Hot shot crew.
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: That's the most capable twenty people you're gonna find for firefighting.
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: And they tell me, well, we don't, we don't have
• 28:43
  Speaker 11: any hot shot crews available, So instead of one hot
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: shot crew, we're going to order three contract crews because
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: they have less capabilities than a hot shot crew. So
• 28:51
  Speaker 11: on paper, it looks real good to say, well, one
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: for one, one crew, one crew, but in reality, if
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: you're on the ground, you bet your order and more
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: crews and we all end up pans so much well.
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: And that's that's that's what I mean when I say
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: another way of selling these things off right.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: That's one of the things I came to see about
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the like over the months or over the weeks about
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the Doge cuts was you came to see ways it
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: brought to mind. You came to see that it created
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of inefficiencies, like sort of accidentally made all
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: these inefficiencies. And it reminds me of this passage in
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Elder Leopold Sand County Almanac. He talks about he's talking
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: about ecology, but you're saying people are taking like watch
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: parts and they don't understand what the parts do, and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: they're flicking them out, and then someone later's like, you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: being like dude, that little thing you throughout that's like
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: turn that makes the whole thing click. That was important
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and so we've had other We had a guy from
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: White River National Forest on who took the took the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: buyout left. He's a supervisor with White Riff National Forest Man.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: He came in and told us just just like insane
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: stories about things that were suppose the league gonna help,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: or ways in which he was forced to make cuts
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: that turn around and cost money, costs, time, created problems
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: from just having this like what turned out to be
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: like a very ham handed approach.
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, you want to know, the biggest way
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: that we end up spending more money is if you
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: don't have ground resources to fight a fire. If I
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: jump in there and we're losing this thing because the
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: wind's blowing, well my best option is to call.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: In air resources.
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: So you end up calling I mean, if I'm on
• 30:30
  Speaker 11: the ground, I can't get a hot tucker. That's when
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: you got to call in a large air tanker to
• 30:33
  Speaker 11: drop fire retardan at seven thousand bucks a pop. And
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: I've stood on fires and watched more money than I
• 30:37
  Speaker 11: will make in my lifetime fall out the bottom of
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: a large air tanker to put retarding along the side
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: of a wildfire.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: And you know where that money goes.
• 30:44
  Speaker 11: Well, it goes to the contracting service Ritter Aerospace that
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: just so happens to be owned by the third richest
• 30:49
  Speaker 11: man of the United States, Senate Tim Schehe. And you
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: don't have to look too far to see where the
• 30:54
  Speaker 11: incentive structure is. Maybe we're spending more money, it's going
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: to a different place. I'd rather have that money staying
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: here for someone making fifteen bucks an hour on the
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: district or on the fire crew, then paying to a
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: contractor where it's just getting sucked out of all our
• 31:06
  Speaker 11: pockets tax pairs.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: You know, what do you think drives people like the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: time you spent there? What do you think drives people
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to take a job where they're I don't want to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: say compensated poorly, but take a job where the compensation
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: isn't the point? Do you know what I mean?
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean there's a what drew you to it?
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: I love I love being on public lands. I like
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: stomping around in the woods. If you can get paid
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: to do that, especially in remote places, that's the dream job, right.
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: I'm sure all of us can relate to that. Beyond that,
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: it's you know, they call it being a public servant.
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: It's similar to why a librarian would work in a
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: position where they're not getting rich.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Or my dad's a public school teacher.
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: Right there's school teachers in the state making a starting
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: wage of thirty ninety thousand dollars an hour. Right now,
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: you know, it's there is a sense of service to it, right,
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: and there's a there's something rewarding about being able to
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: look back and say, I've been swinging a tool for
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: the last nine days and running a saw and I
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: just tied in that fire line and that fire is
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: not going to burn over that thing, right, And there
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: are fewer and fewer jobs every year where you can
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: really look at the labor and the fruit of your
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: what your hands have done, and see what you've accomplished. Yeah,
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: you know, that's a that's a rare pleasure that you
• 32:14
  Speaker 11: can't find very often in this world.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched everything you've done and you know, bend
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: to your talks and stuff by followed enough to know
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that you're like you're kind of pitch to voters in
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the state is really is really geared toward working Like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time talking about work, the
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: working class, working class absolutely, yeah, yeah, And I I
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: mean when you feel like that's that's your background, that's
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: your people.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what we're missing, right.
• 32:40
  Speaker 11: I mean, the average congress person's worth twelve to fifteen
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: times the average American right now, And you wonder why
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: there's not a sense of urgency to address all these
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: basic issues that so many of us are living with
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: on the ground. And I mean I got to the
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: end of the last fire season, and yeah, I have
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: just watched the agency I work for be gutted in
• 32:56
  Speaker 11: the name of efficiency, and I see inefficiencies. Federal hiring
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: pretty damn inefficient. It takes nine months to get somebody
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: hired on a fifteen dollars an hour job on a
• 33:04
  Speaker 11: trails crew or a fire crew. That's inefficiency, right, workman's
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: comp or HR. You got people spending dozens of man
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: hours just to chase down a workman's complaim for somebody
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: who broke their back parachuting into a fire. You know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: like that that is inefficient. The guy making thirteen bucks
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: an hour swinging a tools not inefficient. And whether it's
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: fire or any other job, you can tell the difference
• 33:23
  Speaker 11: when somebody making the calls has never been on the
• 33:25
  Speaker 11: ground doing the work and that's what it feels like
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: in this country right now. You know, people are struggling
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: to afford a roof over their head, or healthcare all
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: the rest, and the people who are making the decisions
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: have not experienced that. You know, when I was a kid,
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: my belly was full because of food stamps for a while,
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: my dad was getting his fet underneath them, thank god.
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: You know, there's not a lot of people in Congress
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: who have ever lived through that, or who've been working
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: three jobs at a time and still come up short
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: on rent, like a lot of people in the state
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: in this country are. And I think that that lived
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: experience influences the sort of policy making you're doing and
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: where you're going to be looking to cut if you
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: are going to be making those cuts.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Are you, let's say you get the nomination, are you
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: sweating it for when the whole part of the campaign comes,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: when it's just all like negative, negative, negative, and people
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: are attacking you left and right, Does that make you nervous?
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: You know, I'll say, we're in a primary right now.
• 34:14
  Speaker 11: The election is June second, so everybody make sure you're registered.
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: But I mean every time I you know, get a
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: new big endorsement or we you know, have more support
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: kind of bubble up or a social media video pop up.
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: The negativity starts already, and we're really I'm making sure
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: to make this a positive campaign and talk about I'm
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: so tired of all of politics where it's just anger, anger, anger,
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: and people screaming into a cell phone screen like that
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: doesn't get us anywhere. That gets us to a Congress
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: that's the least productive in American history right now in
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: terms of bills passed and the policy experience I do
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: got is I did some organizing.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: An advocacy between fire seasons.
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: I work for the State Library Association and group of
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: homeless Shelters, just trying to do good where I could
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: between seasons, and they still get things done. At the
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: Montana Legislature. You got to pass a budget, it has
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: to be balanced. They got to pay for everything. And
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: even you know, we had the first Republican super majority
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: in state history in twenty twenty three and we managed
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: to get some made for homeless shelters pass Because we're
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: in Bozeman, right you have people living on the back
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: of their cars and trailers who've been living here their
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: whole life.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: That's not a part of an issue.
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: And you don't get those things done by standing in
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: a room and screaming at everybody about everything you disagree with.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: You got it. You have to be able to talk
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: past that, and that just feels like a lost art
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: in modern politics.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I read somewhere that you were saying, when this is
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: all done, you know that you're don't have to go
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: back out and look for a job. Oh yeah, I'm broke.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I'm broke.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: But that's the point, right, Well, I think we need
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: some broken people in politics.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: No, no, man like, yeah, you'd be like, you'd be
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: like looking into help wanted ads.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:41
  Speaker 11: And I want to be clear, nothing wrong with success.
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: You don't have to villainize prosperity for any of this.
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: But it ain't what we're missing when again, like the
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: average congress person is worth fifteen times as much as
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: as the average person, we have a lived experience gap
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: in the halls of power in our decision makers. And
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: I actually think that if we you know, one of
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: the things I talk about what I learned in my
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: advocacy time is there are dark, smoke filled rooms in politics.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: It's called a conference committee.
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: Anytime the two chambers of the House and the Senate
• 36:09
  Speaker 11: pass a different bill, well they have to reconcile. And
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: that ends up with eight or ten people in one
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: room making all of the decisions for what is going
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: to become law. And if every single person in that
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: room is worth you know, multiple millions of dollars, well
• 36:22
  Speaker 11: you bet they're going to be a whole lot more
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: willing to give away the money we're spending on food
• 36:26
  Speaker 11: stamps or snap benefits. They're going to be able to
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: They're going to be willing to give away the people
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: who are making fourteen bucks an hour because they don't
• 36:32
  Speaker 11: know that those are the people that make this thing work.
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: And there are so many ways that we could find
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: efficiencies in our government. We have not found them at all.
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: We're going to have a lot of rebuilding to do,
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: public lands and everywhere else. And I would just offer
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: that if we want a government that actually works for
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: working people who are getting the short end of the
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: stick on a lot of this stuff, we should send
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: working people to Congress so we can we can fight
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: for ourselves. And the way we win this is we
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: don't pick our own multimillionaire to go fight all the
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: rest of them. You know, that's not our champion, and
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: it has not been working for or for too long,
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: whatever parties in power.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I told you when we met over the phone, I said,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: you and me probably disagree on fifty percent of things.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know some amount, but that I think where
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: we're pretty much aligned is I imagine you're not going
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to want to entertain ideas about large scale public land transfers.
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: Oh, absolutely, Yeah, And it scares the hell out of
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: me this notion under the Forest Service reorg of shutting
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: down nine regional offices and turning it into fifteen state offices.
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: Like I don't know if they'll ever be successful in
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: a land transfer effort.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: But I hope to hell they won't be. And that
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: does not seem like a move towards efficiency.
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: It seems like a move towards again taking decision making
• 37:36
  Speaker 11: further away from where the actual work on the ground.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Is going on.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say this is the motivation, but
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: it looks like sort of cast rating. But I haven't heard.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: No one's tried to sell me on it yet. Yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I've only had people tell me all the ways it's wrong.
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I haven't heard. I haven't heard the benefits of it. No,
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: I mean, somehow we're moving decision making for the Forest
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: Service further away from the decision makers in DC and
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: further away from where the work's happening.
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 37:59
  Speaker 11: Not only do we lose the historic regional office in Missoula,
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: we also lose the DC office where if the chief
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: needs to get a message up the chain, you would
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: think he could go across the street and talk to somebody.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: We're losing all that. Yeah, oh man, thanks for coming
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and joining us, Thanks for having me.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: So. So the primary is.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: The second primary is June second.
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: If anyone is curious, you can go to Sam Fromontana
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: dot com and see what we're all about. Got policies, endorsers,
• 38:23
  Speaker 11: all the rest on there. And you know you mentioned
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: that we probably Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Well, as to say, one, I watched one of your
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: videos where you did a house tour.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: He lives out of his houses, Like, I mean, it's
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: bigger in this, but it's like the studio, black hair,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and he's got his bookshelf next to his stove, and
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: he's like, it's very convenient.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: That is efficiency, that is what we need.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I could just reach right over here, grab the book.
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: Two more steps here in the bathroom, and uh yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: And I was just that you said we probably disagree
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: on fifty percent of things.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's less than that, but I was just.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Taking a ballpark. No, yeah, we haven't talked. We talked
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: about land management and we talked about you know.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What I found is you agree with we.
• 39:01
  Speaker 11: I find I agree with a lot more than I
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: would expect until I meet somebody. And part of what
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: we're doing in the campaign is a series of civil
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: discourse conversations. So I just sat down with Michelle Binkley,
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: she's a Republican legislator in the Bergrreau Valley, and we
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: talked about the fact that we do not agree on everything,
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: and that is okay because Michelle knew what it was
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: like to be on the virgil of homelessness raising two boys.
• 39:20
  Speaker 11: She has worked as a waitress for fifteen years in
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: the valley. And we agree on getting people basic health care.
• 39:26
  Speaker 11: We agree on making sure that people living on the
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: streets have access to mental health services, basic things like that,
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: and I actually think that is as important as the
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: policy specifics, is just getting back to a place where
• 39:37
  Speaker 11: we can talk past our differences find the things we
• 39:40
  Speaker 11: agree on, because there's all these eighty twenty issues where
• 39:42
  Speaker 11: we agree on all the basics, and we just spent
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: our time yelling about the stuff we.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Ran calling everybody evil exactly.
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there are very few people in this world who
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: do not think that they're bringing the good in the
• 39:53
  Speaker 11: way that they see it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Well, dude, thanks for coming out. Appreciate you taking the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: time to come talk to us.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Likewise, Steve, I appreciate it you, Palli.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, Okay, I got a couple of quick news
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: flashes yep today.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Well, actually, now that you're listening to this, it's probably
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: just a couple of days before it is Steve's favorite
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: person's birthday party or birthday sorry, not party.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Hopefully he's there himself a party.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: That's good.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: It's sir David Attenborough turns one hundred years old. What
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: a milestone. So we gathered a couple of interesting facts
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: about him. He has more honorary degrees than anyone else.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I will listen, like, here's the dirty secret of the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: honorary degree. This is coming from an honorary You're.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Blowing up your whole thing, Steve.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Right here.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: What it means is you were invited to do a
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: commencement address. So another way to put it was he
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't pass up a chance to do a commencement address,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: would be another way of putting it right.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: So he has passed up. He has not passed up
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: thirty one more commencement address invitations.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I'm done with Katzman addressing Mark.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I hate to do this, but according to the Guinness
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Book of World Records, he's about one hundred and twenty
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: on short.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I know, ken Burns is way high.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I figured like Kadaffi and Saddam had a lot of
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: honorary degrees or.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: One of the most.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean who's winning.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Guinness says it's the Reverend Theodore m. Hesberg,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: who's the former president of the letter Dame.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: Actually thirty two doesn't seem like a really.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Nelson Mandela maybe is one of the most more than fifty.
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: Okay, there we go.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: King of Thailand has a lot.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Too, Randall, thank you for correcting me at the spot. Yeah,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: so we don't have like one hundred emails.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no corrections on this one. We already nipped it
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: in the bud.
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: He's had dozens of species named after him, including I
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: went through a whole a whole list of them, but
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: this one was really cool to me. It's called nepenthus
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: attin burrow or attenborrow, which is a giant carnivorous pitch plant.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: So we're looking at a picture here. Imagine a like
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: bright lime neon highlighter green and kind of purple red
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: vat looking plant that holds about one point five leaders.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: It's been observed to have trapped and digested a shrew.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: And this was discovered in two thousand and seven in
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: a remote area on a Philippine island. What else, he
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: is one of the most, if not the most randall
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: feel free to check me on this.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Well, who by whose measurement?
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: There are a bunch of websites that I looked.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: At that say he's one of the most traveled people
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: in history.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think this was nat G. It may
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: have been that geo.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't show up.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: I didn't pull up all my sarcing.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: The dude never passed a driver's test.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Well, that's a different thing everywhere.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: No, it's like he never passed a driver's test. He's
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: just been. He's been. With all due respect, I don't
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: want to hack on an old guy. Let me just
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: come out, so I'm not gonna say anything bad stuff
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: about accept this my only beef with the guy. Like,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he loves his country. It's not my country,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: so I don't care. But I'm sure he loves his country,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: which gets you know points. I guess I suppose even
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: though it's not ours. My problem with this is how
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: many nature documentaries he has ruined with his narration. That's
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: what sounds like all the time. He is a one
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: man wildlife footage ruining machine.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: But I guess so many people would disagree because they
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: keep hiring him.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And their job over again. And I'm sorry I've been
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: to like I'm a Morgan Freeman fan. He's cranking out
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: narration now, and they make him do the same annoying thing.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: So maybe it's like the way that they're dude, the minute.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: They get Larry the Cable guys start doing those, I'm all,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: if Larry the Cable guy was like that, if Attenborough,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I'm the how old the brothers gonna live? Let's say
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: those another ten years. If in ten years that when
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: he's one hundred and ten, if he stops ruining nature movies.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: And they just had Larry the Cable Guy doing them,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: same footage, same material, Larry the Cable Guy does them,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: they would be good. Yes, it's the same footage.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Like ten years ago there was there was a wildlife
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: documentary series and I can never remember what it who
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: actually narrated it.
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: Or dog did it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: There was one I want to say it was like
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: it wasn't actually Sam Elliott, but it was like this
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: young American's heading out on the open range for the
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: first time and it's like a little bison standing up.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: But it all sounded like.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: I'm going to move through the rest of these quickly.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: But one last thing, and happy birthday, David Attenborough. We
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: talked about you all the time on the show. There
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: We Go, But shouldn't we It's like a new whole
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: you know, video show. Thing that we do is like
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: film some nature documentaries and have you know what voice them?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Why don't you.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: You voice?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Here's so I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: like this. You're gonna be watching the amazing footage. I'm
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: gonna come in now and then and be like that's
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: a blue shark.
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: You're gonna narrate it the same way you narrate it
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: to your family at home.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, no, no, no, those are rainbow smell.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say stuff like that because that's all I'm wondering.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: It's like when I'm watching I'm like, I just want
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: to know what it is. I don't want to hear
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: you do like verbal gymnastics of throwing your voice over.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I just want to know is that a blue shark?
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: But I think we should do It's like Steve series
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: of the same video, the Randall series of the same right, perfect.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Do you remember that show what is called like Mystery
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Mystery Science Theater.
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they like comment on a movie as they're watching it.
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: What you should do is comment on a narration as
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: you You know how they like to like be like, oh,
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: the two animals love each other and they like make
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: them like people.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: And sh just taking a stroke.
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: Orcus.
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: Because I know when when you're watching that stuff with
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: your family, they're like, they don't actually do that. That's
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: not true.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: I think we've got we're onto something here. Okay, moving on,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: So we've talked about this before. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina,
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: North Carolina.
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: And whether or not on a state level.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: They'd be able to manage Atlantic red snapper, and that
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: that's now the case. So so those four states have
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: extended seasons. I'm not going to go through all the details,
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: but like last year in twenty five, the season for
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: commercial snapper was two days. Before that it was just
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: one day, and this year it's about a month, a month,
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: month and a half in most of these states. So
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: greatly expanded number of days.
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: Made a fish snapper recreational.
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: Recreational. Sorry sorry, I said commercial recreational. Okay.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Some bear attacks, one, unfortunately, we've discovered, has ended in
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: the death of a hiker.
• 47:27
  Speaker 12: This take.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: This took place in Glacier National Park, which is in Montana.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: The body of a hiker was found after being reported
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: missing on the Mount Brown trail about two and a
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: half miles up that trail, fifty miles from the trailhead.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, he was fifty feet from sorry just.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: Said miles, My goodness, fifty feet off the trail. And
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: when he was found, it looked like the injuries that
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: he or she Because they haven't released the identity of
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: the individual, the injuries made it seem as though there
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: was an encounter with a bear.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: So that was just the other day.
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: First fatal attacking Glacier since ninety eight. I can't believe
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: that I.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Have just drawing like an arbitrary line, like I spent
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: plenty of fatal attacks in like Northern Continental Divide.
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: Sure, but I can't believe they went twenty eight years
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: without The Night of the Grizzly sixties was fifties, I
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: don't know, was it that long ago?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Easy to find?
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: And the other incident happened sixty seven just in our
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: backyard in Yellowstone. There were two hikers that happened. They
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: happened to be brothers, and they were mauled initially one
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: in serious condition, when in critical I think reports say
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: that they are both probably gonna make it there in
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: a hotel in a hotel in a hospital in Idaho,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: and they were.
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: They were both airlifted. So hopefully they make it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: And you know, this one they do like the last time,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's usually some long time ago. Yeah,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the last time someone was so it's the spring, right,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: The last time someone was injured by a bear in
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the park was the fall?
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, so September twenty five. So, and then the last.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: Fatality in Yellowstone from a bear was twenty fifteen, so
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: much more recently than the last fatality in Glacier.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: Now closed down a section of the park. I was
• 49:45
  Speaker 8: fishing in that closure really three days before this.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, no kidding, I don't think they should do that.
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: They closed an they closed a big area.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: It's like I was just looking at the map, like
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: maps by five by like almost that's ridiculous mile area
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: that was.
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: That was the other day.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: So I'm not sure how long they'll continue to keep
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: that closed. It's it's just temporary, but that that area
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: is closed to visitors.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Two guys got It's pretty crazy. Two guys in Montana
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: got charged with having two hundred and twenty three ducks
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: over their limit. Two guys are hunting in the sun
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: River in January and they again they're hunting on private
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: land and a game ward and sees them. He goes
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: up to see what they got going on. Two guys okay,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: daily bag limited seven ducks. These two guys have sixty
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: six ducks laying there. Then they go to one of
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the guy's shops and they had that brought the total up.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: When they go to his shop and see like his
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: butchered partially butchered and butchered ducks brings him up to
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty three ducks. He had two days
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: in January when they killed one hundred and twenty ducks.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: His claim was it it had been a slow year.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: It had been a slow year, and he was just
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: trying to get stocked up.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: I understand trying to explain yourself, but it ain't like
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: that's gonna.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Get you out of Oh yeah, okay, na, I understand.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Give me your best give me your best shot.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Here he's like, yeah, he's like sitting in like a
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: mountain of dead ducks. Give me your bed, Like, help
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: me understand what I'm saying. Yeah, it's been a slow year.
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: And to be fair, like I'm not justifying this in
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: any way at all, but it's actually impressive that they
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: were like butchered and stored.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's impressive. This is the thing people always overlook
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: on stories like this. I feel I had to say
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: to say it, what's impressive? This is the thing you
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: shouldn't say. But I'm just gonna say it. That is
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: some very good duck hunting. Yes, yeah, that is one
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: of them days.
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: They must have hit a migration like perfect.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Most of my brain goes toward you, sons of bitches,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: but a part of it goes to what in the
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: hell spot they got?
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, again, it's been a slow year and then it
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: got really really rightly.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: That is an amazing two guys to get a sixty
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: six duck morning is an unbelievable day of duck hunt.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: They must have been having such a good time.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: The funny thing is that's a slow day down in
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: South America. When those guys are shooting hundreds of them
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: a day.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable hunting and also probably I hate to say it,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: probably good wing shooting. Unna stop.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Neighbors somewhere in Bozeman, maybe someone, maybe someone feels like
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: getting a tip from them to pass to you.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah, unbelievable day of honey. But also very very
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: very bad, also very bad, But within that I recognize
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: what an unbelievable day of honey.
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: Moving on to mountain lions. Pretty cool story out of Minnesota.
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: They discovered what they they discovered the first like set
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: of kittens. It says bleeding mountain lions, But I like,
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: you can't necessarily confirm that the breeding took place in Minnesota.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: If you want that I have a feeling that took
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: place thereabouts.
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, but some people like she could have
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: walked in. Okay, but this just happened in April. Researchers
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: from the University of Minnesota's Voyagers Wolf Project, which is
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: Voyager's National Park. But this was this video was taken
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: just south of the park first confirmed evidence of mountain
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: lions reproducing in Minnesota. Then more in more than one
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: hundred years there and like obviously they knew, arguing that
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: right where those things were.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: That's not a Mississippi jaguar either, I mean, that's a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: mountain lion.
• 54:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: So it's a female and three like sub adult no way.
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: They believe that these kittens were probably born seven to
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: nine months ago, so fall folish of twenty twenty five,
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: Minnesota's had no documentared uh cougar reproduction for over a century.
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: They've seen they're seen occasionally often, like we hear this
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: story over and over again, like transient males wandering in
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: from places like South Dakota. The South Dakota mountain lions
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: seemed to get around a lot.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: But that's all deer hair all over the ground. Yeah,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: a hoof flapping Look at that man, What a cool
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: freaking cat.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Yea.
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: So they were historically native to Minnesota, became locally extinct
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: because of the same old reasons hunting over hunting, habitat,
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: lost predator eradication.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Campaigns, poisoning campaign ye.
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: And since the early two thousands, they've been seeing them
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: now and then, like I said, coming in from from
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: western states, and it's kind of a connection to a
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: broader recovery in the Midwest. In Michigan's Upper Peninsula. What
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: was it, Steve last year.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I can't remember, it was last year, the year before,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: but yeah, some cats, some kittens show.
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: So that was the first one. They found some kittens.
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: And this was in the up and Michigan.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: And we're looking at a picture of a kitten hiding
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: under a truck.
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: Tiger And at one point they saw these things and
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: then they were seeing them without the mom around, so
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: they're like, oh, you know, they probably died, they probably
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: didn't make it. Well, fast forward to this past winter
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: and you can't at the very top of the screen.
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, So it's like and it's they're saying, that's them,
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: So it's it's.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: The man running the logging road.
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: So Wisconsin, they're seeing more lions, so like they're coming back,
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: and it's a pretty cool story.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Bring them on, dude, And then long it is like,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: bring them on, and then when there's those stable, good population,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: bring on a mountain lion season and I'm.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: Happy, yeah, man.
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: And the way I look at is maybe those extinct
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: Eastern cougars are gonna come back someday, like.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: All those dudes back, all those dudes back twenty years ago,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: all over those areas.
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: It sounded crazy.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: It would see him and the ear nuts yep, and
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: they're right. But at the same time, in Mississippi you
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: are crazy.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, But like Pennsylvania, New York, like you could you
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: could see him get into like the Eastern Continental Divide
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: in the Appalachians and doing fine.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Man, that's crazy.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a cool story.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: And here's my message to Americans. No, you will not
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: be killed by a lion.
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: And this story loosely ties into another mountain lion story
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: that came in. We had a fan right in about
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: it to have us cover. He was pretty worked up
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: about it. In Texas, they're looking at changing a little
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: bit how mountain lions are managed in the Texas Parks
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: and Wildlife Department is urging commissioners to adopt a new
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: reporting system for mountain lions in the state. Should basically
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: be if you kill a lion, you got to report
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: it within twenty four hours. And I think now mountain
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: lions are kind of handled like vermin in Texas.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Texas weirdly, and I don't know, I think that Texas don't.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure a lot of Texans are aware of this. Yes,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you are an anomaly. Yeah, mountain lions are generally across
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: their range in North America, Mountain lions are generally managed
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: as a big game species. Just if you're in Texas,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: and I'm not telling you not to be worked up
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: about this, because I'll get to that in the minute,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: But if you're in Texas, this is a message to you.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Like here we have regional and unit quotas that when
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: those quotas get filled and they have female and male
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: components to them, it doesn't even matter if the season's over,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: the quota gets filled, it just shuts down. It is.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: There's like mountain lion tag draws.
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and like you're only allowed one a year, no
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: matter like in most states.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: There you got to like put in for a permit.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Wyoming manages them like a big game animal. Idaho manages
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: like a big game animal. Colorado manages like a big
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: game animal. So a little bit, it's like, yes, you
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: had to report them. I hunt turkeys in Wisconsin. You
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: have to report a turkey. You have twenty four hours
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: or forty eight hours to tell them you got a turkey.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: So like the simple fact that you'd have to report
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: a lion is not unusual. No, it's unusual that your
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: state manages them like a possums. Yep, like there's no
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: close season, no bag limit. And here's where I empathize
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: with textans that are worked up about this. Is my
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: understanding from private conversations with people who are in the know,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: is that this is coming from You always gotta look
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: at where is it coming from. Like if it was
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: houndsman in mountain lion hunters saying, you know what, we
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: should all get together and have a reporting structure, then
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, Okay, these are probably guys you could trust,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and you know who's it coming from. What I've been
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: told privately is this is coming from people whose aim
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: it is is to end the harvest or killing of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: mountain lions and so that's why people are suspicious.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: That's what like it says hunters, and some hunters and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: trappers have been vocally opposed to it because they see
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: this as a step towards ending the take of mountain
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: lions in Texas, which, man, if you're going to fight
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: that battle, Texas probably not the state to fight it in.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: But no, no, I sit on both. I sit on
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the fence on this one because like report, like there's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: a certain size of something like a hundred pound cat.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: If you've killed a hundred pound cat, it just isn't
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: surprising to me that they would want to know. It's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: like at the state that the state Fishing Game Agency
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: would be curious to know that you killed a big
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: game animal that is not like this is not a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: shocking thing.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: Probably because of how they've been managed historically in Texas,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: which is not managed the Fishing Game Department probably doesn't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: have a lot of information on them to begin with.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: Then this is a good way to start gathering some
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: data on mountain line.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: But if it's coming from people who are like, our
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: goal here is to end mountain lion hunting, Step one
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: is to do this thing so that we can get
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: some reporting and then use that reporting to turn it
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: into how there aren't many lions around or whatever. Yeah,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna you're gonna be danned if you do dan,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: if you don't, If that's where it's coming from, if
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: it's coming from an anti hunting org or anti hunting people,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna screw you. Either way. You're all
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: gonna report and they're gonna be like, my god, Texans
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: are slaughtering a thousand mountain lions a year or none
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: of you report, and they're gonna be like, my god,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: there's no mountain lions. Yep, Like there's no If it's
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: coming from the wrong place, you cannot win.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah. But again, I just feel like Texas is a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: good luck fight in that battle, you know. If that's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: where it's coming from.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: My message to Texans is, I don't know. I don't
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: know what to think about that.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell you about Walleye Weekend. Last weekend, May
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: second and third was Walleye Weekend at the Iowa Great Lakes.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 8: The Iowa I'm sorry, the Iowa Glacial Lakes. The Iowa
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: Glacial Lakes are in northwest Iowa, refers to a chain
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: of lakes, with the headliners being Okoboji and Spirit Lake.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: Those are the two biggest natural lakes in the state.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: Those lakes are known for two things. One is they
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: have a very strong boat culture that gets a lot
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: of bachelor and bachelorette parties to wind up there. Here
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 8: is me at a bachelor party there.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: What's on your face?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: Trying to figure that out. I think we were playing
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: beach volleyball that day and being being dumb smudging, So
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: I don't know what was on our face. This was
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: probably circa twenty thirteen.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: Were even legal drinking age back then.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: Yes, I would have been freshly twenty one. I think
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 8: wearing a Stefan Marbury to Wolves Jersey. Yeah, So that's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 8: thank you. That's That's one thing that Okoboji has going on.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: The other is they have really great fishing, like some
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: of the best fishing in the state. Multiple state records
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: have come from Okebogi and Spirit Northern pike, smallmouth bass,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: musky tiger, musky white bass, fresh water drum. All of
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: those Iowa state records were caught in these two lakes.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: Here is a picture of the state record muskie that
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: was caught by Kevin Cardwell on Spirit Lakes two that
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: that musky tiger musk muskie that is a standard muskie.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: But the tiger musky state record also came a.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Bunch of fish. I mean, with all the respect I've
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: caught it, it's a bullshit fish, just a hybrid, just
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: with all due respect.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: With all due respect, they can control like rough fish.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Popular, I know, but it's.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: It's a make believe fish. It is.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: I don't, I'm not.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: It's a make belief.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: I would imagine they are native to Iowa Brody because
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: the Mississippi River flames the border.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: I was thinking because he's from South Dakota.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: He says something. I feel like it's about he can
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: be showing like jungle pictures and I feel like, I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: don't know. That was the south coast.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: So you know, the Spirit Lake and Okoboji, they got
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: good fishing and good bachelor parties while I weekend. Now
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: it's been going on for forty years. It's put on
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: by the Iowa Great Lakes Area Chamber of Commerce. Is
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: it glacials greatly, I don't know. Glacial Okay, it's it's
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: the Iowa. We should have rob sand report this Iowa
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: Great Lakes Area Chamber of Commerce. They've been doing this
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: for forty years. Last year they had record breaking attendance
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: twenty three hundred parti pins from twenty two different states.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: It costs thirty dollars to enter, and that entry feet
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: puts you in the running for a bunch of raffle prizes,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: door prizes, a big old trophy that they give out
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 8: at the end of the weekend, and then all sorts
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: of contests. Here's some of the contests that you're entered in.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: Heaviest Northern pike, heaviest walleye, heaviest stringer of three walleye
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 8: under nineteen inches, heaviest stringer of.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Back up, the heaviest stringer of wye under nineteen inches.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: I'm assuming this plays to their limits, like your limited
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: three walle line you can only have one over twenty
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: inches something like that. I assume that's hunning.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: It plays that people shove and sinkers in their stomachs.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: It just plays into a very boring way in They
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 8: have all kinds of contests.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: My favorite one though, what was the biggest pike this year?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: Wasn't big? It was like nine pounds. That's that's not
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 8: a real special pike. My favorite one of them all though,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 8: is the heaviest stringer of ten bullheads. That's one that's good.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 8: I will get to that.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: I don't want to ruin that part of the story.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 8: The real prize, though, and this is why everyone.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Enters Visible has under eight inches.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: No, no, just any bullhead the real prize. This is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 8: what gets them, you know, to have twenty three hundred
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: people sign up. It's a chance to catch one of
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: the ten tagged walleye. Now, these ten whileye are tagged
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 8: with what's known as a Floyd tag. It's a little
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: wire tag. It's like an inch or so depending on
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: the fish in the state. It has a series of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: numbers on it. It's usually goes around the dorsal fin
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 8: of a fish. It resembles like electrical wiring.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, it looks like i'll chunk
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: of wiring hanging out of the fish. Yeah, a cord
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: from are Maybe there's a wally dog in there.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Typically Floyd tags they don't contain any micro data. These
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: are not chipped things. It's just basically an ID tag.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: The numbers that you see on the Exeter year of
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 8: the tag. That's that's what you get with these things.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 8: Now, the tagging is done by the d n R,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 8: and these fish are released about a week before Wileye
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 8: week starts or while I Weekend starts. They're released in
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 8: both Okoboji and Spirit Lake.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Oh no, they kept local wally dogs, yes, tagging them
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: then putting them back. Yes, they're not bringing out of
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: town wally dogs in there.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 8: I think these are walleye from Spirit.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Could that be like a little weird If the DNR
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: is he's hungry, he doesn't know what's going on.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: I'm guessing they're not pulling. Typically states don't have like
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 8: a brood stock of walleye. They're going out and they're
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 8: getting their walleye wild and getting.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Their eggs that way.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: Now the tag is done by the DNR and then
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 8: they're released a week beforehand Ten of these walleye between
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 8: Spirit and Okoboji. If you win the grand prize this year,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: that was forty four thousand dollars for catching one of
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 8: these tagged fish. And if multiple people catch a tagg fish,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: the pot gets split between them.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: That rarely, I was thick, and that could get expensive.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 8: Good what I've learned is that their forty four thousand
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: dollars prize is ensured by a third party in cas
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: This word to come to fruition. That way, they're not
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: always sweating out.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: What they're going to pay this.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: What's the time frame for catching it?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: So the contest starts at midnight on Friday and it
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 8: ends at noon on Sunday, so you have thirty six hours.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: So like you can catch a tag fish a month
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: later and be like, give me.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 8: There is a side pot that happens. You pay an
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 8: extra twenty dollars. And if you catch one of these
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 8: tagged walleye throughout the rest of the summer I think
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 8: you have until August, you get a much smaller prize,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: but they're still relevant. This thirty six hour window. This
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 8: is where when you want to catch one of the
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 8: ten tagwe This feels.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: To me right for like a really smart person to
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: figure out what's up and rig it, because all they're
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: doing is they're logging that tag number. Someone has access
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: to that tag number.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 7: You don't think you'd have to provide the tag you
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: bring the fish in, I.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Know, so when they let them go, someone knows the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: tag number and it's not released to the public because
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: then you have all kind of walleye with that tag number.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Someone knows maybe they got some way that like they
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: only know half of it and someone else knows half
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: of it. I'll have to ask around.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 8: I don't think it would benefit you though. Again, there's
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: no microdata. There's no like chipping these.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Walleye tag with that number and put in a walleye and.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: Go ha okay. If yeah, if the DNR wanted to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 8: help cheat the contest, so I'm saying they could rig
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 8: it some way, so thirty six hours movie and to
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 8: win the forty four thousand dollars grand prize. Now people
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: take this very serious because of the pot that's available,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 8: and they start fishing at midnight when Walleye Weekend begins. Well,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: this year, Walleye Weekend starts with a lot of excitement.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 8: At three a m. Which is three hours into the contest,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: a tag walleye gets caught. The anglers immediately head to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: the bait shop they have their fish verified to claim
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: their prize. But it turns out this tag was from
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: last year's event twenty twenty five, so that last year's
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 8: she's holding a twenty twenty part breaking tag.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: So she went in there thinking she had that much money, didn't.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: Did not count. The really heartbreaking thing is the Floyd
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: tag was the same color. So like seeing the yellow
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: Floyd tag, it's like, we did it. We got the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 8: fifty thousand dollars walleye, let's go claim our prize. So
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 8: a real devastating start for.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Walley o drinking man.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: Now it gets worse, it gets worse, It gets worse.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Seven heartbreak.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: Seven hours later, at ten am, a second tagged walleye
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 8: shows up at the bait shop. Here's what happened. The
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: anglers said they started fishing at midnight. They caught a
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 8: limit or roughly a limit. It couldn't get the exact
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 8: details and how many walleye, but they had a number
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: of walleye. They head home around four am after four
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 8: hours of fishing. They throw the walleye on ice, go
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: to bed. They get up at nine am to clean
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 8: their fish, and it's then when they realized that one
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 8: of their fish is.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Tag because they were drunk.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 8: They didn't previously. Maybe I don't know what that BAC was,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 8: but they find that when they go to clean one
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: of their fifteen inch walleye has a tag on it,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 8: so this time the tag is from twenty twenty six,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: so it's an eligible fish. But here's the problem. The
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: fish is stone cold dead and the rules explicitly state
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 8: that a fish must be alive to count in the contest.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: What fish?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: Phil has a picture of the flyer for us, and
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: this is just page one. I highlighted the three spots
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 8: where it says this, while I must be alive, all
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 8: fish must be alive, WHILEYE must be recently caught alive
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 8: and tagged. So it they mean it when they put
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: in the rules that your fish has to be alive and.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: That fish is dead, Yeah, very dead.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: Here it's a walleye. Come, I mean who you know us?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah? The rules is rules.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 8: It was a twenty twenty six fish. It was thrown
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 8: on ice. Poor guys didn't realize it later though.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: They were hauling him in so fast they weren't looking
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: for tags.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Then what happened?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 8: Well? I talked to Mason from Stans Bait and Tackle.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: He was the one who checked in both the twenty
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: twenty five whileye at three am and the dead walleye
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: at ten am. He personally knows the anglers who caught
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: the dead walleye, and they want to remain anonymous, but
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: I got a lot of details from Mason. He said
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: the anglers were aware of the rule. They pretty much
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 8: knew when they brought the fish in that they weren't
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 8: going to get their forty four thousand dollars prize, but
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 8: they went registered anyway. Then someone from the Chamber of
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: Commerce showed up and confirmed the bad news that this
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: fish was no longer eligible because it was dead. Mason
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 8: said the anglers were pretty bummed and that they had
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: basically accepted their fate before they even got to the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: bait shop that morning, because they knew what was up.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 8: There's also this other wrinkle in this story. The two
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: men didn't know which one of them caught the walleye,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: and this was going to create another issue.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: They're drunk wyes onto a cooler.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 8: This creates some other issues. It's an individual tournament, not
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 8: a team tournament. And then they also administer a lie
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 8: detector test, and under this scenario, neither one of them
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: would be able to firmly say that they legally caught
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 8: this fish during the tournament hours. So the whole thing
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 8: was layered with problems again. Mason said that these guys
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 8: knew they messed up, and they didn't really hang their
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: heads too much.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: He said they planned to get the while I mounted
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 8: actually to commemorate the experience that they had.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Remember the giant missed opportunity. That's right, a life changing
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: amount of money.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: You kids would have gone to college.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: And actually the community has handled the news worse than
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 8: those anglers did. Phil is now going to play for
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: you a clip of someone from the Chamber of Commerce
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: making this announcement at Walley Weekend. I want you to
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: listen to how the crowd reacts just how devastated they are.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: This video is via Travis chin Take it away.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Phil got a call.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 12: From Mason at Stands yesterday afternoon. Have a tag walleye
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 12: coming in. Good news news, good news, tag walleye coming in.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 12: Bad news.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 8: Walle was dead.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: On the rules sheet all.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 12: Tag fish, all fish must be alive.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: So that fish was not alive.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 12: That unfortunately, the folks fished until four four thirty in
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 12: the morning, went holmesers napp got up to clean fish.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Oh crap, we've got a tag walleye.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: So we felt extremely horrible about that.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 12: The other The other issue is it's an individual tournament, right,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 12: This isn't a team tournament.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: They didn't know which.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 12: Angler caught the fish, so that's a double all. Okay,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 12: Mason is here from Stance and they don't want to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 12: be recognized, but they're going to get a prize that
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 12: Mason is providing on behalf.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Of Dan's baby tackles.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 12: Let's give Mason's big hand.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of sad news.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have. I feel like I would have
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: if I was that guy. I would have told the
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: story in a different order. Jemmy.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, give us an example.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I would have done like a narrative. He told he
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: he spoiler alerted his story.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 8: Now here's Here's like the biggest reason folks are upsent.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: It's something Mason told me has been talked about for years.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: The rules of the tournament conflict with Iowa's ais aquatic
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: Invasive Species rules. This is from page eighteen of the
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: twenty twenty six Iowa DNR Fishing Handbook and big red Letters.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 8: It says, quote, help stop the spread of aquatic invasive species.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 8: It's the law. Then below that they explain the clean
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 8: drain dry regulations and say drain water from all equipment
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: motor live well builds, transom oil ballast system before you
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: leave water body. Drain plugs must be removed at the
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: water access and remain open during transport. So, as you
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: can see, that makes it really difficult to deliver the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: Chamber of Commerce a live walleye. When they're making you
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 8: pull plugs.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: They should say the boat unless you have a forty
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: four wally dog, then it's okay.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 8: Despite this, to Mason's knowledge, this has never happened before.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: This has never been a problem where a dead walleye
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 8: shows up up during the contest.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: But as you can see, he's nitpicking.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: Make it hard.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: So no one won a big prize.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: Nobody has wonted. No, but Mason has said that they've
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: been mumbling about this problem for years the community at large,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 8: and that he actually heard that this week there's going
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 8: to be a meeting to talk about these clashing regulations
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: that they have. You know, maybe this forty four thousand
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: dollars walleye is what's going to finally inspire a change
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 8: to allow an angler to bring in a legal walleye
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 8: that's not transporting the water from a lake.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to God, Man, what happens the story?
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: That story's got layers, Dude, what.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 8: Happens the prize money if no one wins, it increases
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: the next year. Actually, yeah, the weekend tournament's over again.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 8: If you paid the extra twenty dollars, you have a
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: chance to catch one of these walleye later this summer.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 8: It's a much smaller prize at that point, and my
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 8: understanding is the prize money will increase next year because
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 8: of that.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: You know, you talk about that insurance outfit that ensures
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: those kind of things. Yep. I was at this event
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: one time. There you could roll. It was a Conservation
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Org event and you could roll dice to win a truck,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: brand new truck. I think he had to take a
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: five or six pack of dice and roll all one
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: of a kind, which is I looked it up at
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: the time. It's not gonna happen, But he did happen.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: You have yazis.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't it. No, No, it wasn't it was.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: I think it was six. Shake it day is five five, Yeah,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: it goes six. Anyways, they had the insurance guy was there.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I was shooting the breeze with him. You know what
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: he did. He's got these dice, they got that. He's
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: got this thing out he had. He weighs, he weighs
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: all the dice, inspects all the dice, and he took
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: a caliber, a digital caliber. Love this to the dice.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 9: You have to.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And no one even came close to win
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: that truck.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 8: I paid for shake a day for the table at
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: the bar, and this was a few months ago, and
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: ran Handel won the damn thing. Uh until we like
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: started going crazy. It was a seventy dollars.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: Pot so I bought. I bought the most loaded nachos
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: I could for the table, and then I thought the
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: server wanted to cash us out, and I gave her
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: all the cash, which included a rather generous tip, and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: I said, you know, the rest is for you, and
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: she said I know, and then it was too late
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: to take it back. It was the most sort of
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: passive agress in that moment.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I went, was she mad at you?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: I went for feeling very large, very small?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: And the ships up. I don't know, were you guys
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: being rude?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: We were.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: I thought we were places out of business.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I spr so you guys went out drinking
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: without me.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah we did. Yeah, there were other co works.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 8: You feel even worse, you see a lot.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was never drinking.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 8: No, what was never acknowledged? If that pot had been
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 8: like twelve hundred dollars randall, what what percentage would I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 8: get of that for buying your one dollar shake a day?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: Would I would have ordered some sort of strange curiosity
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: off eBay for you that's related to rocks or made
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: up animals.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, because I would have felt entitled to a little
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 8: bit of that.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I want to be asked to do stuff,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: but I don't want to be asked, you know, I'm
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: just gonna say no.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Now, at the end of the video earlier, you
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 8: heard the dude and the mic say that Mason from
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 8: Stan's Bait Shop gave the two anglers a prize because
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 8: he felt so darn bad for them. Mason didn't need
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: to do that. These prizes come from the Chamber of Commerce,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 8: and he said that Mason that they felt like, you know,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 8: they deserve something, so he gave him a couple of
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 8: Saint Croix tournament rods, which is like, that's a great
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 8: Walleye rod worth in north of you know, three hundred bucks,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 8: so good on Mason.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Awesome, that's a great tackle shop.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 8: And while I had Mason on the phone, I asked
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 8: him for a fishing report so I could deliver, you know,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 8: some real information to our Iwejien listeners here. It is
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 8: Spirit Like has been pretty good for twelve to fourteen
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 8: inch while eye, but you need to do a lot
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 8: of sorting to find the bigger ones. There's some good
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 8: crappie and perch fishing. Two oh Keboji guys are doing
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: real well in seventeen to nineteen inch whileye some twenty
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 8: plus inches being caught. Not quite as much action as Spirit,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 8: though the panfish and bass bite has been hot lately
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 8: for either lake. He recommends trolling crank baits in eight
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 8: to fifteen foot of water. Sweet Spot seems to be
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 8: around the ten to twelve foot range.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 7: He says.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 8: Guys are also finding success pitching jigs around the basins
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 8: in eighteen to twenty feet of water. So there's your
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 8: mid May fishing report. Where I was excited it was
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 8: great lakes. Now to circle back, what I found to
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 8: be the most interesting part of the contest is the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: ten stringer bullhead contest. The winner this year had a
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 8: bag of fourteen point three two pounds. That means his
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: average bullhead was about one and a half pounds. That
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: is a lunker bullhead, Chris Daisy. He was the champion
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: for the fourth year in a row. Here's a postgame
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 8: press conference interview that Dave Mashoff got with mister bullhead
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 8: champion played Phil.
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  Speaker 9: We're here at the forty fourth annual Great Walleye Weekend
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 9: and the heaviest stringer of bullhead was fourteen point three
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 9: two pounds, won by Chris Daisy of Spirit Lake. And
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 9: this is the fourth year in a row that you've
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 9: won that category, Chris. What's the secret, specialists?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 10: Lots of fishing, lots of lots of night drawers and
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 10: lots of sore fingers.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 9: Well, what were you using for bait on those bullheads?
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 10: Mostly nightdrawer leadhead, just casting up underneath the tubes are
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 10: at Buffalo run up on the grid.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 9: Does that seem to be a pretty hot spot? No,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 9: it was.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 10: This was a hard year for bullheads. It took a
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 10: lot of fishing, a lot of swording.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: What do you attribute the tough goal for uh?
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 10: My grandpa used to bring me up here as a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 10: little kid, so I just keep it going.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 9: You said it was kind of tough fishing for the bullheads.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 9: Colder water or what do you attribute that to?
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 10: I think it is, yeah, a lot colder water. We
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 10: had a cold snap up here, so it slowed everything down.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 10: I mean, the big walley were biting good this weekend,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 10: but everything is slot fish so had to move for something.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 9: Well, congratulations again a fourth year in the row on
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 9: the heaviest stringer of a bullhead fourteen point three two pounds.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 8: You don't want to see Chris Daisy entering your bullhead content.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: That interviewer, this is Dave, Dave mash Off. You see
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: that move he did. He asked the guy a question,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: the guy didn't understand and answered something different. He didn't
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: so he just very smoothly did his question over again
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: with different words and then nailed it the second time
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: and never it never phased him.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, kept on trucking, you know what I mean,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 8: hard hitting journalism there.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's never like hey, you misunderstood, or you know,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: he just is like bam, that's.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 7: An underrated fish man the bullhead.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Randall, that was a great segment, had a lot
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: of layers to it. Uh, like like money won and lost.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Well uh. The Department of Interior announced this week that
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: they're officially conveyed or have conveyed, one point four million
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: acres of BLM lands along the Dalton Highway to the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: state of Alaska.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Phil, do you have the.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: So what we're looking at here on the screen is
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: a map of the Great State of Alaska and you
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: can see the Dalton Highway running there from goes from
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: Fairbanks up. I don't really know if it officially starts
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: in Fairbanks, but basically goes from Fairbanks up to prudo
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: O Bay, like across the north slope.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, it does. Yeah, So I mean the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: pipeline goes all the way down right right.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: So anyway that basically you'll see this called a public
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: land transfer, and that's exactly what it is. However, under
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: the terms of the Alaska Statehood Act, that law authorized
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: the transfer of approximately one hundred and five million acres
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: of federal land to the state of Alaska, and not
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: all of that land has been transferred up until now.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: So there's I think what I saw there's approximately five
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: point two two million acres that the state was entitled
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: to and the state has wanted lands along the Dalton
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Utility Corridor. The utility corridor is essentially a two hundred
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: and forty four mile strip aground along the pipeline that
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: was set aside by the Nixon administration in the seventies
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: with public land. I guess ordnance just PLO five five
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: zero and five to one eight zero, and it was
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: a buffer zone. It also importantly connects a bunch of
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: other public land, so it it borders the Committee National
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: Wildlife Refuge, the Yukon Flats National wild Reif Refuge, and
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: both the gates of the Arctic National Park and anwhar
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: So it's essentially strip alongstrip of BLM land that's now
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: been transferred to the state for energy development. And the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: way this basically went down was they had passed the
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: resource management Plan for these BLM lands in the past
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: few years. Congress used the CRA, which is the Congressional
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: Review Act, the same thing that they did with the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Boundary Waters to nullify that resource management plan, and then
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: Secretary of the Interior Burgram revoked Plo. Five to one
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: five oho and five to one eight oh in February,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: I believe, and then finally they did this transfer. So
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: it's been a long, sort of slow running process that
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: led up to this. It wasn't really something that was
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: like out of the blue overnight. The state has always
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: wanted these lands for resource extraction.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: I mean it's an industrial yeah, I get, it's an
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: industrial corridor as is. It's called the Hall Road, right,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: It's like a road that parallels a giant pipeline.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so so, I mean I talked to several
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: people about this, and their take was it's a bummer
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: that they gave them basically everything that they asked for
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: because some of it really isn't suitable for resource extraction.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: They're not going to restrict the state's not going to
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: restrict access off that.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: No, No, the state is entitled to make these claims.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: One concern, it doesn't green light Ambler Road, but it
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: removes one of the barriers to building the Ambler Road.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: And so again that's the two hundred mile road that
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: would cut west across the Brooks Range. And so it's
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: you know, there's kind of two different kind of two
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: different takeaways. One is like, yeah, ideally maybe this wouldn't
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: have happened, But at the same time, the state is
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: entitled to these lands under the Statehood Act.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: And so they will eventually get they will eventually do
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: their claims.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and so it's kind of you know, wait
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: and see what happens. But again, like also keep your
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: eyes on Ambler.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: There was some of that. There was some of that
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: transfer down where we hang out down in southeast Yeah,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I mean the state has Yeah uh, I've hunted off
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: that highway a fair bit, but always north of that,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: always north of those new lands.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because they own right over the crest of
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: the over the so that there's the seating. The land
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: there's seating is on the north side of the Brooks
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Range and we used to hunt off that Hall Road
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: north of there yet.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's and it's like a popular walk in
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: area for caribou hunting.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we would canoe in, but yeah you can't. You
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: can't fire a rifle within five miles of that pipeline.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: So it's a big boat hunting corridor through there.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: So that's the that's the news and public lands this week.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, over to Michigan. Over to Michigan, they have banded
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: the controversial for no reason. They have expanded Walleye spearfishing
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: in Michigan. So in twenty twenty one, the state came
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: in and created a spearfishing season for walleye, Lake Trout
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: and northeast Northern Pike. And they did this experimental thing
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: where they created two zones. They made a zone in
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Lake Michigan everything south of the Southern Pier and Grand
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Haven south Lake Michigan, only not the interior waters was
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: open to walleye spearing. And then they took an area
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: in Lake here On and it was south of Thunder Bay.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: They made it open for spearing Lake Trout, walleye, northerns
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: fish that previously you had not been able to do
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: underwater spearfishing. You could underwater spear you could you could
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: through the ice spear Northern Pike, but you couldn't underwater spearfish.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: A lot of walleye fishermen had a conniption about it.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: What they did was because like they're gonna kill all
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: the walleyes. So they did was you had to get
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: a special walleyeer, you had to get a special spearfishing permit,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: and you had to report all your harvests. Okay, they
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: did it for their three years. They had another year
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: with reporting and now they have greatly expanded spearfishing opportunity,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: underwater spearfishing opportunity.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 7: You may not know this, but like for the the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: who might not you, I'm gonna ask you for all
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 7: the like thousands and thousands of Walleye Roden reel anglers
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: that were mad about the spearfishing. Do they know how many?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 7: How few people?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Actually, I'm gonna tell them they're gone. What I want
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: to know some stats? I want to know. They're gonna
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: know some stats. The controversy is not over with these proposals.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: So a friend of mine, Jonathan Dirka was is like
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: a spear fisherman who has like really been ushering this process.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: I wound up speaking to two commissioners in Michigan over
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: the last months before it has happened. I did phone
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: calls with two commissioners and wrote letters pleading for these expansions.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: And they've done the expansions. Can you can pull up
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: the expansion map. These are the Michigan waters you're not
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: allowed to speare You're allowed to spearfish underwater spearfishing for
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: walleye northerns and Lake trials. So you got basically like
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: from Chicago. So the Illinois Michigan line or there it's
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the Indiana Michigan line up to uh it's like a
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: little wedge of Indiana in there between Illinois and Michigan.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: On the shoreline, you can you can underwater spearfish from
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: the Indiana Michigan line up to up to the forty
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: fifth parallel there is where they draw that line, and
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: then all the innery you know, Grand Traverse Bay is
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: out so the forty fifth parallel out runs south runs
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: across the state. South of Traverse City, there's a little
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: wedge down an erie yep, kind of like south of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Detroit down to the Ohio state line. You could spearfish.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 7: That's right where the is that where the Saint Clair
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 7: River pop is.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: That's big. Yeah, it's just right there. Huron. You could
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: do here on all inside the Thumb from Thunder Bay
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: basically Thunder Bay down to the bottom of Lake Huron
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: out to the Canadian border in northern Lake Michigan. They
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: opened a big stretch along the southern Upper Peninsula offshore
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: with some key areas removed, and they opened up a
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: bunch of Lake Superior on the off the northern coast
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: of the Upper Peninsula minus some some big spawning grounds
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: out there that are closed. So that's great news. However,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: the Chippewa Otto tribes are protests, not the expansions. They've
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: written a letter of protests saying they want to bring
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: back reporting and they want to bring back the special
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: license because they're saying there's no way to know how
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: many people are out there doing this. Well, check this out. Okay,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: when they open up the spearfishing license, you had to
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: go get a free certificate. You had to get like
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: a spearfishing stamp. Okay, guess how many people went and
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: got a spearfishing stamp?
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: Forty three, one hundred.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: And twelve way fourteen four thousand. Out of those four thousand,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: guess how many shot a fish? Or five hundred, two
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: hundred shot of fish. Out of those two hundred spearfishermen
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: that shot a fish, those two hundred people killed a
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: total of four hundred and thirty. Wow, they killed four
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty walleyes.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 7: There's probably now the half a dozen that are really laying.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 8: Into another movie.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: My body pulled him out. The number product drops down
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: to three point thirty. So so with the Chipewa Auto
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: tribes are saying, well, they're doing so much to promote
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: underwater spearfishing, it's gonna blow up if they don't have reporting,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: and so we need to know what they're up to. Well,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: angler hours on underwater spearfishing isn't going up. It just
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: goes down, down, down, as people realize what a bitch
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the barrier to entry thing is just like, it's
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: not something everybody's gonna go do.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Four thousand guys thought they'd go. Two hundred guys went.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Annual angler hours went from two thousand, three hundred to
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: one thousand, nine hundred to one thousand, four hundred.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'll bet the four thing is out that
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 7: it sucks. I'll bet the more cold.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: You can't see anything, it's it's cold.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 7: And the four thousand we're like, people are like, yeah,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 7: I'll get it.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: It's free.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot weren't ever gonna go.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: So again, get they killed these fishermen one of these years,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: these fishermen killed four hundred and thirty walleyes. Now allow
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: me to ask what, okay, oh, let me back up
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: angler effort. Sitting at about fourteen hundred hours of spearfishing
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: angler effort, guess how much many man hours of roden
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: reel effort occurrent Michigan point four million, one point four
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: million man hours of fishing effort versus one thousand, four
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: hundred of spearfishing effort. Last year in Saginaw Bay they
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: killed five and Saginaw Bay they killed five hundred thousand
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: walleye spear fishermen statewide, four thirty the Detroit and Saint
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: Clair rivers, four hundred thousand walleye. So between Saginaw Bay
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: which is that little thumb notch, and then down there
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: on the bottom of that little spearfishing area nine hundred
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: thousand wally dogs spear fishermen three forty oh no, my buddy, spearfisherman,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: four thirty, my.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: Buddy on the Saint Claire. Right right there on that
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: Saint Clare. They're out there hammering them right now.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: You know, And that that Saginaw Bay fishery eight walleye
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: a day thirteen inch minimum, eight a day thirteen inch minimum.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: They are listen. I don't care how you feel about
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: dudes swimming around underwater with a spear gun. It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: It does not matter. I will be there in June
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  Speaker 1: hitting it hard.
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  Speaker 3: We should do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to kill all your walleyes.
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  Speaker 3: We should do a T shirt with you in a
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  Speaker 3: wet suit and fins and says it does.
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  Speaker 1: Not mess to matter or don't worry about it. It
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  Speaker 1: does not matter. If people want to go in the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: water and risks, shallow water, blackout and get all cold,
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  Speaker 1: let them. The question is this, since it does not matter,
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  Speaker 1: I look forward to Michigan passing a salmon spearfishing season
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  Speaker 1: that will be the most awesome thing on the planet.
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  Speaker 1: Cannot wait.
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  Speaker 7: Would you hit them like right outside the river? Mouse
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  Speaker 7: or where would you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking flashers? Oh, you go down and no, I
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  Speaker 1: think you'd free drift. I think you just free drift
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  Speaker 1: of flasher chains, maybe some chum if you can chump.
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  Speaker 1: You can't chum, but maybe they'd let you chump. But
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna let you chump. I think you'd have
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: to use a string of flashers. Yeah, dude, ultimate challenge man,
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  Speaker 1: big old and people.
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  Speaker 3: Like they're gonna kill all The.
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  Speaker 1: Come is like they got two, they got two thanks
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  Speaker 1: for joining the new show.
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  Speaker 3: They got two