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Lights, Science, Action: Leveraging Media to Showcase STEM Careers to Young Minds · Speaking of Supply Chain

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You're listening to Speaking of Supply Chain, a Meeboch podcast. This is a
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show for logistics professionals looking to learn more about the latest innovations in supply chain.
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Each episode will feature a conversation on topics such as mitigating supply chain disruption
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and reducing risk, current automation trends, sustainability initiatives, and more. Let's
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dive right in. Hello, and welcome to Speaking of Supply Chain, where
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we explore trends, current events, and innovations impacting the logistics and supply chain
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industries. I am your host, Ellen Wood. One of the big conversations
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in our industry right now is finding talent. The labor market for capable supply
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chain and logistics professionals is so very thin that it often feels like companies are
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playing tug of war with most qualified candidates, and one of the big questions
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is what can we do to make sure that in these upcoming years we have
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the talent pool that's ready to take on the challenges that the future is going
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to hold. And, as it turns out, tug of war isn't a
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bad place to start. We need to shift our focus to the generation of
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individuals that are still out on the playgrounds. So joining me today is a
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very special guest, Stephanie Castillo, and she is a science communicator. She
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creates career content for younger generation for elementary and millennials, and she has her
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own podcast, The Genius Generation. Stephanie, Welcome to Speaking of Supply Chain.
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Hi, thanks for having me. You are a bit of an unusual
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guest for us because you do not have any supply chain background. Your background
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is all about education and stem So tell us a little bit about that.
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Yeah, so, I actually have my bachelor's and master's in chemistry, and
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then I was pursuing a PhD in chemistry, and I learned about science communication
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as like career option or career field, and mostly stemmed from seeing a lot
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of my peers who were also in a graduate program kind of talking about their
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research and trying to make it more accessible for the general public to read,
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because most of the stuff that we do, when it comes to the research
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that we do within academia kind of stays behind the paywalls, you know,
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it stays within our technical fields, and then we're confused as to why the
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general public doesn't understand the science that we're doing. Or we're not even communicating
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it to them. And so with Instagram kind of on the rise, with
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the videos platform and whatnot, I just started creating content on there and then
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eventually to YouTube, and then I was able to pivot my career to pursue
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a PhD in Science communication, where I learned and studied effective narratives on how
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young audiences perceive science and scientists in digital media. That is so amazing.
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So let's see if we can tie these two very different speakers together today in
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this podcast. So I'm coming from the supply chain aspect and logistics, and
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I say that even though I am not a logistics person. I'm a marketing
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person in a logistics company or a supply chain company, and I love everything
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that I do, but I have learned so much about the logistics and supply
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chain industries, and that's like it or not, that's where I am now.
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So that is my expertise that I'm bringing to the table. And you
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have all of this knowledge and capability about how to bring education on these incredibly
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complex topics like science and engineering. I mean, ours is an engineering company,
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so bringing those down to the younger learners and getting them interested and passionate
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about these things. So how approachable is this industry or is this topic even
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for school aged kids? Because if I've got repeat listeners out there in the
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audience right now, you guys know, I have three kids. I've got
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freshmen in high school, I've got a middle schooler, and I've got a
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three year old, So I've got the whole range of learners right now,
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and trying to get them interested in something is sometimes really hard. Getting them
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interested in anything I do is absolutely not happening. But that's because I'm their
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mom. I don't think it has anything to do with the subject matter.
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Yeah, I just pure spite, you know, exactly, just no.
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So when it comes to you know, this particular industry, is it even
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on their radar? Honestly, I don't have any children. I do work
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within doing a lot of outreach within K through twelve, But honestly, I
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don't know. I really don't. I don't know, and I don't think
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so either, because at least with some of the programs that we've been targeting
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in terms of schools, like we're now starting to see that there's like schools
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that have like stem paths. We know, either going from like middle school
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to high school that there's like magnet schools that are specifically gear towards STEM related
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fields. But even within that, I think I don't even know if like
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supply or like logistics will be kind of on their radar. That's a great
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point because my oldest went to a STEM magnet school, like you were talking
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about. The kids were interested in science, they were interested in biology,
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they were interested in chemistry. Those are big and flashy and fun and hands
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on, very tactile for young learners, which is huge. They had,
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of course the Lego Robotics Club, and I feel like that's where it really
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can be the place where the rubber meets the road for these kids. Is
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because engineering is essentially, when you break it all the way down, it's
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solving a problem. It's looking at a problem and saying, Okay, how
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are we going to fix this? How are we going to redesign this process
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to make it work, Make it work better, make it work faster,
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make it work cheaper, make it work without people involved. But when it
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comes to the logistics and supply chains so pervasive it covers everything from whether it's
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a truck driver or the airline pilot that flies freight or the ocean liner or
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the person who is developing a warehouse. Our engineers that sit here and design
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the way all of these machines are going to work together and talk to the
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IT system, how we get product, how we manage to forecast, and
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the math and the analytical skills and the computer skills of how are we going
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to forecast what business is going to be based on previous trends. I mean,
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all of that falls into STEM, and the supply chain touches each and
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every one of us daily and we don't even know it because it's just so
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ingrained into our society and into our way of life that it's just there,
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but it's not talked about. It's invisible. Unless you're stuck behind a semi
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on the road and frustrated that you can past them, then you're not so
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excited about supply chain. Yeah. Yeah, And I think the biggest thing,
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one reason why I started making videos in the first place, that we're
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kind of leaning towards like career exposure. Essentially, it's just because I didn't
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really know there was like subsets of fields in chemistry, and so I was
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like a senior in chemistry learning about that but I was already in college and
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even as I continue on with the PhD and even know that science and muication
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was a field until I was already two years into my graduate degree, And
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so I feel like that's kind of the same thing. These career paths are
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so invisible, they're so ingrained into kind of like the labor and logistics of
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you know, how the US has ran that when we think about STEM,
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we only think about the flashy stuff like let's go to space. You know,
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let's we see you al must running launching a rocket, like you can
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be that person. But at the same time, and I think we're not
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associating the engineering or the science that goes into the supply chain logistics or career
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paths and knowing that this computer science degree can not only set you up to
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maybe be a computer gamer or like a virtual reality person, but like,
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oh no, you can actually look at the analytics of the data to analyze,
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Okay, how can we better make this efficient? So then we're actually
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bringing in the things that we need for to meet the needs that we have
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in our current country. And I think it's the lack of exposure is just
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kind of like the biggest thing well, and one of the things that I
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was thinking about when I was listening to some of your podcasts that you've done
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with the Genius Generation. Now, this podcast was amazing. I loved so
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many of those episodes, and I've talked about it with one of my colleagues
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who her daughter loves it as well. But it's all about kids solving problems.
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I mean, these kids are amazing and some of the ideas and concepts
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that they came up with the problems that they looked at and they wanted to
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solve. And I've got a few that I want to just highlight here because
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these are the supply chain ones. Like you had supply chain entrepreneurs on your
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podcast and maybe didn't even look at it that way. Yeah, there was
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one Peter and he was worried about monarch butterflies and their declining population, which
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is a huge issue. Monarch butterflies are pollinators, They're important to our food
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chain, and so he developed a distribution apparatus for milkweed seats in a major
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metropolitan area. And that's huge. That is supply chain getting the thing to
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where it needs to be, distributing it and generating a demand for your product.
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That's sales, that's operation planning, that's sourcing, that's all of those
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things. There was oh, gosh, Leno, I don't know if I'm
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pronouncing his name wrong, with kinetic kicks, the shoes that generate energy.
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Oh yes, yes, yes, he was still working on that. He
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hadn't gotten it finished. But I thought, oh my goodness, this child's
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brain power is amazing. We need these individuals. We need these kids.
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Oh Angela with the bacteria that eats plastic, Yes, so great. There
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was varun with machine learning, and was that with the plants identification ones in
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the farm? Yes? And then Tavish with the food banks that the disparity
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between food banks where product was in one place and demand was in another.
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That is one hundred percent demand planning. That's what we do in supply chain
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is make sure that we've got the product to meet the demand in the place
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where it needs to be. And I want all of your guests to come
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work for us, so and you know, maybe when they're old enough,
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you know, to actually get jobs. A few of them are now.
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But these are the things that we need to encourage, that we need to
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point out and to other kids so that they also get excited about this,
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and I think, honestly, it's really the onus is on the supply chain
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industry. It's our fault that we're not reaching out to these younger generations.
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Yeah, and I think it's almost like, I don't know if this is
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a good analogy, but it's almost like you know, in therapy, you
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don't realize something is being done until you're given the vocabulary to like describe it.
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Yes, I feel like if you did not frame it to what you're
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saying it to me, like just now about like how these students were essentially
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applying supply chain engineers, a whole list of them, we just label it
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as just kind of like a general engineer or just entrepreneur. But yeah,
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I think we're not not giving the vocabulary to really break it down, to
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really analyze their own self, reflecting their own process used to realize like,
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oh no, like I'm sourcing this, I'm looking at distribution, I'm looking
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at the logistics, I'm planning this out, and that all of that falls
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within the realm of supply chain and that this aside from it just being not
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what you have to do, but kind of like it kind of comes without
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saying in a sense, or it feels like it's coming without saying because it's
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just part of the infrastructure. It's just what they were trying to do exactly.
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But if you're if, but you're like, oh no, like this
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is a legit career and this is like what we can think about in terms
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of not only are you looking at the bigger picture of like you know,
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spreading your milk weed seeds as like the coolest engineering thing that you're doing,
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but it's like, oh no, like the supply chain is also something that
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is in it a career in itIt of itself and can be applicable and something
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to strive towards as a real day job that you can make money doing exactly.
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So you know, Peter is a young child, a teenager. He's
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distributing milk weed seeds because he cares about butterflies. That was something that he
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was passionate about, which is amazing and wonderful and you know should be celebrated.
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But when it comes to the COVID vaccines and distribution and making sure that
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it got to where it needed to be, that was a huge logistical problem
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a couple of years ago and continues to be an ongoing I don't want to
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say a battle, because we've kind of gotten our hands around it. But
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even the next thing that comes out, the next super flu that we're going
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to get, because there's one every few years that runs around the world and
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we've got to catch up to that, or distributing food to the food banks,
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how do we get food to impoverished areas, How do we make sure
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that everyone has access to clean water. These are social problems that are important
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around the world, and they need logistical solutions. They need these young minds.
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They need these young people to be passionate about it and to take a
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look at what they've already done and see that there's more application for what they
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already know how to do, what they're already excited about. But we need
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to get more kids excited. Yeah, And I think even just that I'm
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having my mind blown just kind of talking to you, because I never really
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thought about your industry essentially, And I think that's the whole point. That's
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why I've got you here, because it doesn't occur to everyone that this relates
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to them, that they have an impact on this. Yeah. So one
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thing that's coming up right now is so I work for an other education studio
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startup and kind of making educational content. And one way that we're thinking about
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you mentioned earlier, how are you increasing more critical thinking skills rather than just
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kind of like memorizing. And one of the things that we're trying to approach
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into is handling real life data that is published in science and kind of teaching
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them data science in a sense through how to read a graph, how to
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interpret the graph, and how are you able to then use that to understand
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the bigger biological or science concept. But in some of the design process that
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we're incorporating into this curriculum, a lot of the ways that we're kind of
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setting up our framework or for the students to kind of like build off of
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this, like there's a huge problem in the world and we want to solve
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it. What is this product that we want to do? But it almost
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sorry, I'm trying to I'm thinking out loud in terms of like okay,
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you're saying that Peter is thinking about like, oh, he wants to save
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the monarch butterflies. It's the same thing that kind of scientists do when they're
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thinking of like a research problem, like Okay, we want to have cleaner
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water in this place we look into, like we're looking into like, oh
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my god, what would be the ideal thing? But for you to break
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it down to be like, okay, what are the logistics and actually making
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this feasible even bringing it down to that problem is what we're overseeing and what
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you're trying to or what the supply chain industry needs to do in order to
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kind of like highlight it to realize that, like, no, this end
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and up itself is the issue that can kind of still help us tackle the
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bigger problem of like having to clean water rather than just like thinking of,
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let me just design this new thing exactly. I don't know that made any
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sense. I followed. I followed from your perspective as an educator, as
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trying to get this information out to these kids, it's coming from a different
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perspective, and me as a logistics person also trying to reach these kids is
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coming from a different perspective. But what we're doing, the end result of
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what we're doing could be approachable to kids. Our stuff isn't approachable to kids.
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Yours is. But you don't know, you don't have those terms for
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the logistics application of it, and so again, the logistics industry needs to
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just do a better job of making what we do and the way we do
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it interesting for children. Yeah, and one of the things that I was
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thinking about, we have the I did another podcast earlier this year on some
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of the Supply Chain Due Diligence Act in Germany and that the EU is also
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working on a Supply Chain Due Diligence Act. The countries are still working on
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kind of aligning on what some of those terms are going to be, but
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the end result is they're trying to make sure that the ESG, the Social
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and Environmental governance is in place to make sure that you know, we're protecting
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our environment, that we're treating people with dignity and respect, and that we're
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making sure that companies are doing this because a lot of times, you know,
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companies are made up of people, but they seem to be this huge,
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high level disassociated brand name and not the people that work there. Because
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obviously, when it comes to a lot of these companies, the people who
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do work there do care, but it's a machine when companies get that big,
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and those companies have supply chains that generate a lot of waste, a
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lot of environmental waste, and they have a huge carbon footprint, so the
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entire point is to reduce their carbon footprint. So they're having to get creative.
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They're having to look at some of these things that your guests had looked
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at in terms of bacteria that eat plastic, or how do we reduce our
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emissions, or how do we do something cleaner and better? And these are
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the topics that your students and that your audience wants to solve. They just
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don't know that logistics and the supply chain is a place where they can go
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solve it and get paid to do it, exactly, especially when again,
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so there's this competition the Washington d C. The government is running a science
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fair, and so some of the questions that they're having is Okay, come
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up with your best solution to some of the world's pressing problems. These young
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audiences, we're framing it as to like, Okay, how can you come
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up with the next best invention, or like think outside the box to build
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these bigger pictures. But kind of like what you're saying is we were not
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doing a good job at highlighting the systems or infrastructure that's already in place in
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order to meet logistics, the logistics of the logistics, the practical application that's
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available today for them to move the needle on some of these issues that are
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very important to them exactly. So instead of just being like, Okay,
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I'm going to create this new water bottle, it's like, oh no,
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okay, were thirty. If those company is already making this water bottle,
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how can we make it more efficient for them to have less waste whenever they're
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creating or developing or using the plastics or whatever. I think it's just the
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difference of mindset and the difference of framing and also tying it with the numbers
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that of having a salary. I think it's going to be will be kind
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of like the way to go. You know, you have to compete with
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the YouTube super stars out there. No but burial. That's a heart Like
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a lot of kids are wanting to be YouTubers and content creators because they can
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see how the one percent is going very lucrative. But that's not every kid's
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desire or a dream, especially for these kids that are very self startered,
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that have the entrepreneurs spirit to create these own inventions without any teachers telling them
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to do this with their parents selling them to do this, but just having
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it within their own desire to want to be a part of a solution.
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And I think that Jen Alpha and even kind of like the older gen z
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Or are very much more solution oriented and that's fantastic. Now I need to
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get them into my industry because we're having a labor shortage. I think that's
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the hardest part is how do you reach this audience? You know, so
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how do you reach this audience? Knowing that you guys already have you working
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for this engineering company that already does logistics? How do you reach this audience?
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And I think that's kind of like the biggest maybe strategy that a lot
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of the these professional science communicators, universities, other STEM organizations and programs that
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are are trying to recruit more students into get being into more STEM. That's
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always the biggest strategy and the biggest thing that we're striving towards. And so,
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knowing that curriculum is kind of hard to dive into and to break,
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we always turn to media because it is the number one thing that like most
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kids are on for hours at a time. And so instead of being watching
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these mister beasts that are like blowing things up for like millions of dollars or
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whatever. Like, Okay, how can we create content that that's engaging,
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that gets their attention, yes, but that also inspires teaches. Yeah,
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but sometimes we are competing with the mister Beasts, you know. So essentially
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for my PhD, I studied science videos because the whole goal with futured doctors
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was to how do I make sure I'm creating content that my audience actually wants
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to see and is actually going to learn from and it's actually going to be
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like more beneficial to them rather than just kind of like a passive educational edutainment
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kind of thing. So, like I grew up as a PBS kid,
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but now we're competing with kind of like the mister Beasts or like the pranksters
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and whatnot. So the whole challenge is like, Okay, how do we
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actually create content that's going to be beneficial for them, that they're learning from
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and so like, for instance, Mark Rover is also kind of like in
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the same category as mister Beasts. I don't know if you're familiar with him,
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but he used to be a NASA I think he's a mechanical engineer.
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But he used to work for NASA and he actually worked on the rover that
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went to Mars, and so that was kind of like his leg up into
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creating content on YouTube. But a lot of the stuff that he teaches is
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or not teaches, but a lot of the content that he does is about
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kind of like how is he using the engineering process to come up with this
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cool thing like making the world's smallest nerf gun. It still has an entertainment
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and value on it because because yes, yeah, exactly, you want people
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to watch how are you going to make the world's smallest nerve gum? But
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throughout it he's still showing his design thinking process into creating this. But I
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don't believe this is my personal opinion, like Mark Rover's intention is to inspire
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for students to pursue an engineering degree directly, Yeah, that might be an
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indirect exactly, but because it's so cool, hopefully engages their interest into wanting
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to learn more. So it's like, how do we do the equivalent then
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in terms of logistics, logistics and supply. But you know, if it's
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not entertaining way, then how do you produce videos that can be used as
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resources for them to gain an understanding of these are the types of careers that
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are out there. These are the types of money that you can make.
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Like your career path doesn't have to be linear to pursue college, Like you
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can still do these other things to make it into this industry and give it
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behind the scenes look or something that can be short enough and informational enough to
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be incorporated into curriculum that's putting less burden on the teacher to have to come
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up with it, Yeah, entertain their class exactly. So it's like I
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think that was kind of my main mission with futured doctors. It's like,
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Okay, how do I create career like videos that expose students to new careers
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or two new role models that are in fields that they've never heard about,
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And how do I make sure that it's either coming up with additional resources or
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that the video can be used as resource themselves that makes it easier to be
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included into the classroom with that for the work for the teachers. And so
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I think that's what your industry has to also look into, is that hiring
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other professional science communicators to make videos for you and then also you're part of
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marketing, what can you do to kind of create content or a different audience
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that can bring more eyes and more exposure to the field and actually learn that
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the logistics that you guys are doing is a really big tie or really big
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connector to the bigger picture questions that we're trying to solve within STEM in and
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of a huge industry exactly. And one other thing I wanted to circle back
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to earlier, you had said something about, you know, some of these
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STEM curriculums are available at Magnet schools. They're available for the most talented or
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the highest level learners in their groups, and a lot of the other kids
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are kind of left out of these types of opportunities to get access to some
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of this content. And I feel like there are a lot of kids that
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are not the top ten percent of their class that they feel like, Okay,
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well, then what's left for me? Because you know, they're all
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the exciting ones, they're all the doctors and the scientists, and that's all
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the exciting careers. But I'm not that smart or I'm not the top of
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the class, So what's left for me? And I don't want to downplay
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the other logistics and supply chain roles that are out there. But when we
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do think about some of those roles, people working in warehouses, people driving
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semi trucks, people loading and unloading docks at a port, all of those
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things are critical, critical to the supply chain. And that's what's really run
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things into the ground. When we've had supply chain delays that have made the
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news over the past couple years. When things shut down is because we didn't
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have people. We need people. Not everything can be done by a robot.
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Not everything can be done by a computer program or an algorithm or a
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machine. And people are so vitally important to the supply chain to getting that
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Amazon package delivered to you the next day. And that's not to say that
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those individuals who are in those roles are not intelligent. They are very intelligent.
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They have to be. They have to follow schedules, they have to
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be able to route around accidents on the roads. They have to be able
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to understand the cargo that they're carrying and what types of outside weather might affect
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that cargo if they've got something that's frozen and very temperature controlled. So there
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are a lot of ways that even the middle range of students, or even
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the lower range of students can be brought into this fold and say, look,
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there are still careers in this very exciting, very important field that you
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are completely capable of achieving, and they're very interesting. You know. If
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you're a truck driver, you get to see the world, You get to
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drive around. If you're a pilot or working on an airplane, you get
26:37
to travel even further. If you're on an ocean liner, you might get
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to see some great locales. There's a lot to be proud of in the
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logistics industry, and I don't want to exclude any kids that aren't that top
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few percent just because they don't have this fantastic, groundbreaking idea for something new
26:56
that everyday and ordinary is also critically important to a lot of people. I
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feel like it's a loaded question because only in the sense that it's almost from
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my perspective, just like my individual I'm like not speaking on behalf of anybody
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at this moment, but just from kind of seeing it from the outside.
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Is just within our own society. Is kind of how we glamorize some careers
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versus not glamorize others. And also kind of like the stereotypes and almost like
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classism in a way that kind of comes into play that kind of really murkies
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the water. And so it's just like we push a lot of people to
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go into college, but I feel like, what about the trade schools and
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like the showing that these careers that are not in these working for the NASAs
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or anything like that hold just the same amount of weight as working for NASA,
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kind of removing these negative stereotypes or kind of like the negative light that
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we kind of frame more manual functions. Yeah, more manual labor compare to
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coming up with rocket science or whatever. I keep thinking of poking at NASSA
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just because but yeah, I think it's almost like, how do we change
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that narrative to make it more appealing and ness in this kind of like negative
28:11
connotation of that, like manual labor is less than those kids that are wanting
28:15
to pursue a PhD or something like that, that the whole the same amount
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of weight. And again, I think it always comes down to I remember,
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I don't know if this is true or not, but I remember when
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learning that those crane workers that do the ship containers that they make money.
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They make some of them be like make money, you know, six figures
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it's a lot of money, yeah, but it comes with it's a high
28:38
risk job again, very intense kind of labor. But you don't know about
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it. You don't know about it because you just see them doing manual labor.
28:45
And we put that as a lesson category in society wise compared to the
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elon musk that's coming up the new tesla. You know, So how do
28:55
we also put the same amount of weight, in the same amount of care
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for these jobs that have had a different negative story apply to them for years?
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At this point exactly, you need to go to the local arcade and
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find the kid that's playing the claw game and getting all the good prizes.
29:15
I don't know, I think have you heard a kiwiko? Yes, And
29:18
in fact I've gotten a lot of those boxes for my kids to build a
29:22
little robot and do the little things, and they love them, but it's
29:26
always like just a toy they can build themselves and then they're done with it.
29:30
But then my middle child will go and he will take the concept from
29:37
that box that he get and he would try and apply it to something else.
29:41
So he'll start just building something out of sticks and string in the backyard
29:45
and all of a sudden, I've got a trevichet. That's amazing, but
29:48
it's also like, I know some of the care that they put into like
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the pamphlet, but most of that, aside from it just being the directions
29:55
on how to build it, they always have like the little sides where the
29:56
main goal for them is to teach you how to build, but they're still
30:00
learning some science concept along the way. So how do you use that kind
30:04
of maybe framework in a sense for supply chain to be like, Okay,
30:08
this cream if you use this QR code can link you to this video that
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teaches you about like this career, this six figure career, this manual labor
30:18
job. But it's a part of the supply chain or the logistics to the
30:21
bigger picture of solving this issue in order to make the US run smoothly without
30:26
any hiccups. I feel like, what does that look like for you guys
30:30
in order to kind of glamorize it in a sense, or I don't know,
30:33
glamorize it, but at least like show that it has weights and it
30:37
has value and it's in the same caliber as other careers. There's definitely a
30:41
pr opportunity in the supply chain industry to get this information into these different audiences.
30:48
And I think that there's a great foundation with all of the stem resources
30:53
that you and others are developing for these young learners and that are encouraging them
30:59
and in hiring them and making them into this next generation of inventors and citizens
31:08
that are going to help us move these needles, you know, in the
31:12
right direction for our planet, for our society just in general. I can't
31:17
wait to see what some of these young individuals are going to do. But
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if we want them in supply chain, supply chain needs to do a better
31:22
job of reaching out to them and meeting them in that space. Yeah,
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you have to meet them to where they are, to the spaces that there
31:30
are and not be clue was aster like, well, why is it no
31:33
one seeing us if like no one's even heard of your company before? Exactly.
31:37
I know a lot of supply chain companies that do a lot of work
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in career fairs and colleges and at that level. But I feel like in
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order to really build the talent pool that we want to have in the next
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ten years, we've got to go a little bit further into high schools and
31:53
middle schools and bring some of the ideas that we have and the idea that
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we're trying to solve for to that next generation. See what they have in
32:04
mind. Mister Beast might have an idea. I don't know for sure for
32:10
sure. All right, well, Stephanie, thank you so much for joining
32:14
me today. This has been such a fun conversation. It is a departure
32:16
from what I normally talk about, but I feel it's so important, especially
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as we look to the future that is for our children, and I want
32:24
my industry to have a future it obviously will. Supply chain is never going
32:29
to go away. We've got to get our goods and services to where they
32:30
need to be. So the more I can help encourage that conversation to take
32:36
place and start to build our capabilities in that regard, I think I'm going
32:42
to do a better job for the marketing of supply chain, which is where
32:45
my expertise truly is. This brings us to the end of our episode.
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