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Jaguars Happy Hour: Monday, August 9 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, August nine. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by Jet Home Loans. Hey now,
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  Speaker 1: a guy who doesn't have a four year plan or
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  Speaker 1: a one year plan, good night, it's a two hour plan.
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  Speaker 1: J P. Check. That's indeed correct. Welcome in. It's Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Happy Hour on a Monday. For the first time since
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  Speaker 1: January four. We're back, baby, j P. Shadrick, Pete Prisco,
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  Speaker 1: Tony was selling coming up. We've got a busy program ahead.
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  Speaker 1: The Jags training camp practices continue tomorrow and Urban Meyer's
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  Speaker 1: first NFL camp, and we are in the midst of
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  Speaker 1: preseason Week one. The Jaguars entertained the Cleveland Browns this
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  Speaker 1: Saturday night at t I A A. Bank Field. Camp
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  Speaker 1: battles continue. I'm sure Tony has some thoughts about the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line spot and some other positions. We have plenty
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  Speaker 1: of social media questions. People have been clamoring to get
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  Speaker 1: their questions in for Pete and Tony, and we'll go
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  Speaker 1: around the National Football League. Tony Boselli is with me
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  Speaker 1: here in studio. Pete Frisco is not he's down in
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  Speaker 1: South Florida. But uh boy, it's great to see you
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  Speaker 1: both again. Guys. What's up? Tony? Oh doing good? To
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  Speaker 1: the seat? One minute, Tony? One minute? To get to
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  Speaker 1: your seat? Did you get to your seat? L Drake
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  Speaker 1: to sell, I feel like we're at practice. Wait a second,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I might need that. That might help me
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  Speaker 1: A little direction, A little direction, one less thing to
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  Speaker 1: think about, think about. I mean, Pete, you mock it
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. I like it's organized detail. You might
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  Speaker 1: act you might actually need it for this show. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, how many times last year a p was
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  Speaker 1: he like wandering away and paying no attention right before
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  Speaker 1: this show today? Pete? I mean he literally sat in
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  Speaker 1: the chair ten seconds before the show started. On time,
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  Speaker 1: baby time. I don't know, man, well, I mean, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: you're a practice. You don't like the the loudspeaker, the
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  Speaker 1: uh P A counting down thirty seconds next drill hydrate, hydrate,
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  Speaker 1: hydrate ten nine. Hey, I mean I can only imagine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure as a veteran, you know, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: would have fun with it. But the one thing I
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  Speaker 1: do appreciate, and I've been super impressed, Um, they were
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  Speaker 1: on a tight camp. It is organized and everyone knows
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  Speaker 1: exactly where to go when to be there, move movement before,
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  Speaker 1: in between drills, not a lot of waste time, Pete.
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  Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of Tom. I mean
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  Speaker 1: Tom was yeah, practices a crisp. I get give them that.
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  Speaker 1: They moved, they get it moving, they do it the
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  Speaker 1: right way. I just you know me, Tony, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: little old school. I don't. I mean, you don't need
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  Speaker 1: that microphone out there. You get a horn in a whistle,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on it just like it took me
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  Speaker 1: a long time to get used to music on the
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  Speaker 1: practice here, which I still don't like, by the way. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I just, I just I'm old school. I want to
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  Speaker 1: I want to see the coach. Coach blow the whistle,
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  Speaker 1: blow the horn. Yeah, there's no music out there. There's
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  Speaker 1: some music. It's not as loud as the music is
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  Speaker 1: not as loud. I mean, you know they want to
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  Speaker 1: save some ear drums. That's fine. I'll still it reminds
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  Speaker 1: It reminds me of Tom when I remember when I
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  Speaker 1: was a rookie, and I mean my whole time here
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  Speaker 1: while there was no one counting down, there might as
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  Speaker 1: well be because it was Tom screaming to get to
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  Speaker 1: the next drill and that buzzer went off and you
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  Speaker 1: better be moving. Yeah, I just don't the Urbans the
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  Speaker 1: type to scream at the top of his lungs like
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  Speaker 1: he's not gonna be doing that. Well, if it wasn't,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't. If it wasn't tom My Mike Maser late
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  Speaker 1: Mike Maser Um who passed away a few years ago,
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  Speaker 1: my offensive line coach. He was in your ear making
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  Speaker 1: sure And I'll never forget that. First the first minicamp
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  Speaker 1: buzzer went off and you're looking around and you better
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  Speaker 1: be spritting to the next you know, the next spot.
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  Speaker 1: And it reminds me a little bit of that very
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  Speaker 1: organized Um. And the other thing that jumped out at
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  Speaker 1: me from practice is Urban's involvement, Like if anyone was
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  Speaker 1: questioning his energy level, his passion, you know, that was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of talk like making the transition to the
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  Speaker 1: pro game, you know, coming out of the booth. You
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  Speaker 1: know he had the health issues in the past where
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get you know, Urban at his best. Well,
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  Speaker 1: so far he's answered that question because it is full energy,
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  Speaker 1: ton of you know juice and him involved participating, you know,
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  Speaker 1: working with guys one on one. Um in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the drills, like like in the middle of the drills,
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  Speaker 1: in running around. I agree. I agree that was impressive
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  Speaker 1: that he does. Anybody who questions his energy level in
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  Speaker 1: terms of being involved in being active that that that
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  Speaker 1: was misguided. I don't. I don't see that at all.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say this, the only three people in
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  Speaker 1: the city of Jacksonville who aren't a coach on that
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  Speaker 1: staff for US three. I mean, how do you go
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  Speaker 1: four twenty two field is fault it's new and Pete
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  Speaker 1: it's the new NFL. Every player has a coach. You
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  Speaker 1: have your personal coach. They say, listen, they said it
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  Speaker 1: was gonna be all about the players. My goodness, it
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  Speaker 1: is every guy. Everybody's got their own personal athletic trainer too.
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  Speaker 1: If I mean, there's more trainers and equipment guys and
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  Speaker 1: coaches and strength coaches. And you can't get right here,
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  Speaker 1: You're not getting right anywhere that I've been doing this
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  Speaker 1: for a long time and I travel around the league,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't ever remember seeing that many people on
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  Speaker 1: a practice field. I don't. Everybody has Jaguars garb on
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  Speaker 1: the entire field is all of it. No, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people it'll be interesting to see it because stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you wonder how many of those will disappear once camps over.
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  Speaker 1: But if you look at the list of coach, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of coaches, and you have multiple linebacker coaches,
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  Speaker 1: multiple secondary coaches. I think you have a decree secondary
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  Speaker 1: nickel coach you have. I'm waiting for the you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the day where there's a tackle coach,
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  Speaker 1: guard coach, center coaching. It just I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you get away with that at Alabama. You do that
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  Speaker 1: at Alabama, do that to college because he does it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he starts the rules by making guys voluntary
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  Speaker 1: coaches or whatever. But in the NFL, you gotta pay
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  Speaker 1: those guys. Guys are getting paid. That's a big expense.
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  Speaker 1: Kudos to Sean Kahn for doing it. I mean, urban's uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm kidding around about the sort of about
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  Speaker 1: the microphone. You're not for me, come on, you know
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  Speaker 1: me better than that. Every time Beselli's not in his
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  Speaker 1: chair in the jaire tone he was only got in
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  Speaker 1: the jaire, But he does he is moving this team
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  Speaker 1: in the right direction in a lot of ways, though,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, get the if they get the practice facility,
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  Speaker 1: that's something they needed for a long time. That there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things moving in the right direction. So
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  Speaker 1: kudos in for that. But you know me, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: stick to the old school stuff. Well, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: if and let's hope they are, if he's successful, you'll
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  Speaker 1: know that more, more and more teams will go with everyone,
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  Speaker 1: but Belichick will go with more and more coaches. You've
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  Speaker 1: already seen it. I mean, I know other places, Pete,
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  Speaker 1: maybe not to the extent here, but literally not like
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  Speaker 1: they hire because I know the guy they hired. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to mention the place, but they said they
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  Speaker 1: hired the well not name names. Now, come on, it
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  Speaker 1: was he was the Nickel coach. Like wait, like like
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  Speaker 1: just Nickel, Yeah, coaches Nichols. I'm like, okay, I mean
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  Speaker 1: I guess you know, well, that is a starting position.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, it's it's a part of the say, once
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  Speaker 1: upon a time, Pete, there was a secondary coach that
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  Speaker 1: coach safeties and corners and nickel and everything else, and
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  Speaker 1: then assistant secondary coach and now they got a safety's
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  Speaker 1: coach and yeah, I mean it's it's and you have
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  Speaker 1: inside linebacker coach outside, linebacker, coach assistant inside. And let's
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  Speaker 1: be real, if he wins, it isn't going to be
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  Speaker 1: because of the coaches he has, or the whole showing
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  Speaker 1: or the new this. It's gonna because of his quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to the we'll spend plenty of time
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  Speaker 1: on Trevor. But my point is this is a copycat league,
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  Speaker 1: and if it's successful, you'll see more and more teams
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  Speaker 1: do it again, everyone but Belichick. Belichick is the one
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  Speaker 1: guy who's still coaching. Like when I coached, you have
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  Speaker 1: one coach here, one coach there, your coordinator if you
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  Speaker 1: even name a coordinator, coordinators, coach, coach in a position
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  Speaker 1: possibly And this is this is different. This is this
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  Speaker 1: is where the NFL is going. Let's get body a
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  Speaker 1: lot of abouties out there in the middle of that
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  Speaker 1: stretching a lot, right, Holy cow, it's chaotic. I get
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  Speaker 1: nervous watching the stretching line because there's people run around
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  Speaker 1: throwing football's high five in each other. I mean there
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  Speaker 1: is a lot going on. It's like an assembly line. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's a coordination to that. See it great
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  Speaker 1: to see you have a good practice up and back
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  Speaker 1: and up and back. By the time you've done stretching,
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  Speaker 1: two guys have talked to you. Yeah, that's right. Let's
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  Speaker 1: review the weekend Urban Meyers first NFL training camp. They
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  Speaker 1: had a scrimmage Saturday in the final open practice on
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  Speaker 1: the Dream Finders Homes practice complex and then moved into
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  Speaker 1: the stadium Sunday, took the pads off and did a
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  Speaker 1: mock game, working on scenarios and situations in front of
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  Speaker 1: over fifteen thousand inside the stadium Sunday morning. Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 1: We heard from the Jaguars quarterback after that practice. He
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed being in the bank, but having the fans out
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  Speaker 1: here is always awesome. Um, just really excited for this season,
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  Speaker 1: and you tell there's just a lot of energy around here.
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  Speaker 1: So we're we're pump. We've had a great camp and
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  Speaker 1: it was fun to have a little scrimmage day in
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  Speaker 1: front of some of the fans. Gonna hear from Trevor
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if we're gonna hear from him
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  Speaker 1: before preseason week one. We'll get to the playing and
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  Speaker 1: the all that coming up. But they were in the
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  Speaker 1: stadium Tony on Sunday morning. Yeah, and you know a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of backlash, probably the maybe the maybe the
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  Speaker 1: first like negative fan reaction to Um, the Urban Meyer era,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because it was positioned and communicated forever that
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  Speaker 1: Saturday or Sunday was going to be a scrimmage for
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  Speaker 1: all the fans that come see and when you think
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  Speaker 1: of scrimmage, you think of pads and hitting and getting
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  Speaker 1: after it and kind of your first and because historically
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  Speaker 1: that's what's happened, there's been once. You know, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: a Saturday night scrimmage or Sunday afternoon, whatever, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a big dress rehearsal there in a big
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  Speaker 1: moment and fans come out and last minute, at least
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  Speaker 1: the way he's described to me is last minute. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Urban decided to take the pads off and make it
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  Speaker 1: more of a you know, it wasn't full speed, but
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  Speaker 1: like go through and get some game situations. It was
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  Speaker 1: a good to Chris practice, nothing wrong with it, but
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  Speaker 1: much different Um than the fans were expecting. And any time, listen,
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  Speaker 1: this is the entertainment business. Anytime you're in the business
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  Speaker 1: like this and you set expectations and don't mean that
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna hear about it. And boy, it was on
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  Speaker 1: talk radio day. My I was my text was blowing
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  Speaker 1: up from people and my point was, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I get the fans being disappointed because you again, the
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  Speaker 1: question is why couldn't you do what you did on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday on Sunday because that was a scrimage. That's what
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  Speaker 1: we want to see. And you know you there's in
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  Speaker 1: the frustration is fine, But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer's job is to make sure his team is
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  Speaker 1: ready for Saturday, this first preseason game, and even more importantly,
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  Speaker 1: is ready for the opener when they fly to Houston
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  Speaker 1: and be ready for that game. And so from what
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  Speaker 1: I understand and what I heard is like, listen, you
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of people nicked up a little bit
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday. Urban with his coaching staff and probably the
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  Speaker 1: medical staff and the strange staff, all got together and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's look at this and let's evaluate what what is
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  Speaker 1: best for our team. Maybe hindsight, we could have done different,
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  Speaker 1: but we're here now, this is where we are, so
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  Speaker 1: let's make the right decision for the team. And that
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  Speaker 1: decision was made. And he knows his team better than anybody.
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  Speaker 1: You hire him as your head coach. You hire him
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  Speaker 1: as the czar, the leader of this football organization. You
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  Speaker 1: have to trust them, and he made he made the
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  Speaker 1: decision what was best is to take the pads off,
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  Speaker 1: give them, give them guys a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: break after a really physical day of the day before
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  Speaker 1: and uh, especially going into the first preseason week. So
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  Speaker 1: I get it. I'm actually I actually get both sides.
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  Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, JP PTE, does
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  Speaker 1: anyone care a week from now if they come out
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  Speaker 1: and everyone sees Trevor Lawrence and they have a couple
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  Speaker 1: of good series or they get out there and hit,
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  Speaker 1: and does anyone care if they go into Houston after
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  Speaker 1: they go in to Houston and get, you know, an
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  Speaker 1: opening season win, No one's gonna care. I cared. I cared.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to care? Could I? I nestled in
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  Speaker 1: to watch it yesterday on online and they cut it off.
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  Speaker 1: There was nothing zero I wanted to watch. I get
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  Speaker 1: to see it, but it didn't. Erman's job is to
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  Speaker 1: what get his team ready. I get it. Tony and
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  Speaker 1: I have no problem. If he thought they were too
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  Speaker 1: physical on Saturday and I felt that he needed to
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  Speaker 1: pull back on Sunday, I have I respect that. I
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  Speaker 1: respect that decision. But why didn't you flop the days? Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is a question that we don't know. If you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be physical, why didn't you be physical on Sunday?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't too close to the game on Saturday this week?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But but okay, And the
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  Speaker 1: answer to that question is he should have flopped the
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  Speaker 1: days and taken care of the fans. You know what
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  Speaker 1: it says though, it shows who's in charge across the board,
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  Speaker 1: because if you're a marketing guy on that team you're
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  Speaker 1: not happy with what happened yesterday, you can't be. I
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  Speaker 1: had people griping at me on Twitter. They were mumbling
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  Speaker 1: and growing in him and people out of town. They
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  Speaker 1: said they were gonna are not in table, but they
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  Speaker 1: were like in St. Augustine or whatever. They said they
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  Speaker 1: were gonna come. And then decided no, I'll watch it
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  Speaker 1: on online and then you watch you know, Brian Sexton
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  Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks talk for an hour and then it
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  Speaker 1: went away. I wanted to watch football listen. I was
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  Speaker 1: it was we're on the We're on the air for
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  Speaker 1: two hours, try talk to do a walk through peat
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  Speaker 1: for two hours. I mean, it was just and here's
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  Speaker 1: here's my one big problem with it. This is a
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  Speaker 1: team trying to grant the fan base again, pull him in,
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  Speaker 1: grant them, pull him in. And I know winning ultimately
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  Speaker 1: does that, but I hear the ticket sales are good,
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  Speaker 1: really good, but they're not where they're they should be
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  Speaker 1: based on everything that's happened in the off season. So
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  Speaker 1: why not use it as an opportunity. Not only that,
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  Speaker 1: here's the other part of that. The scrimmage was free, correct, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: people who can't afford to go two games during the season.
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  Speaker 1: That's how you bring new fans in. You know. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like, and I'm gonna give an example from just
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  Speaker 1: traveling around the league. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are only
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  Speaker 1: allowing season ticket holders to come to their training camp practices.
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  Speaker 1: That's bad. That's really bad. You know, five three years ago,
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  Speaker 1: they were begging people to come to their practices and
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  Speaker 1: come to their games. Now, all of a sudden, you're
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  Speaker 1: cutting off people who can't afford to go to games.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who can't afford NFL tickets.
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  Speaker 1: They just can't, and the kids want to go see
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. So there's where my pushback is on it yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that you know, you you grow your product,
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  Speaker 1: you tell them it's this and then it's not that,
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  Speaker 1: or you put it online and you know what, are
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  Speaker 1: you scare to show it plays? Yeah? I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, they don't want you know, it's a
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  Speaker 1: new staff with new offensive defensive coach. I'm just telling
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  Speaker 1: you the mindset you have your mindset, I'm giving the
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  Speaker 1: mindset that this is where that's ridiculous, just telling you, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you why. I think that's ridiculous
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  Speaker 1: Because Joe Cohen is defensive care right. Yes, anyone who
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  Speaker 1: watches Baltimore's film over the last several years has a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good idea what Joe Colan is going to do,
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  Speaker 1: not exactly, but guess what, By week one, the Texans
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  Speaker 1: will have a really good idea because of three preseason games,
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  Speaker 1: and guess what, after a Week one, every other team
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the year will know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Darryl Bevil was he an offensive coordinator last year and
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. My guess is they're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: an idea what devil Darryl Bevil likes to do. It
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  Speaker 1: might not be exactem Schottenheimer two, but yeah, okay, two
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  Speaker 1: all together all together, and so you have an idea
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  Speaker 1: of what they're gonna do. I don't buy. I have
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  Speaker 1: never bought. Now you get into the playoffs and you
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  Speaker 1: want to close your practices and everything else. I get that.
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  Speaker 1: I agree that. I've never I've never bought in at
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  Speaker 1: this time of the year of closing things off because
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  Speaker 1: you're afraid of what someone's gonna learn. Like what the
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  Speaker 1: other thing too, Tony. If I'm if I'm David Culley
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  Speaker 1: and coaching the Texans and I got a cousin that
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  Speaker 1: lives in South Carolina, I'm gonna have him drive on
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  Speaker 1: down the Jacksonville and the stands and watch the practice
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  Speaker 1: and tell me what they're doing. Nobody's gonna know who
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  Speaker 1: Here Trevor Lawrence is now at quarterback for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: Now he hasn't been handed the job, Pete, He's still
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  Speaker 1: gotta earn it, okay, like that, Let training camp go by.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Don't anoint him yet, Pete. He's got a fight off
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  Speaker 1: Gardner and a third and Luton. Why the hell isn't
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  Speaker 1: he getting more reps with the ones? I can't figure
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  Speaker 1: that one out. That makes no sense to me, zero none.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no Let's cut the charade. Gardner Minshew
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  Speaker 1: isn't beating out anybody. I mean, why why would you
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  Speaker 1: even play play that game? It makes no sense. Give
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: him all the reps you can with the ones, get
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  Speaker 1: him used to playing with those guys. If I'm not mistaken,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: he ran with the second teams to start to scrimage.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yet back and forth. Though they've been doing a lot
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: of camp, they've been kind of reps. It's an open competition.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It's an open competition. Every every position is a competition.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: That's like saying a seven year old and art classes
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: competing with Picasso, you get what if the kids a genius?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You never know unless you give him a shot. JP
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: to say every camp is open competition. They're not rolling.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: First of all, I haven't seen maybe I've missed. I
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: haven't been in every practice, but I've watched. I haven't
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: seen Walker Little sharing reps at the ones with Cam Robinson. Correct,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I haven't you know seen um, I've seen it at
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: right tackle with the starters. I think maybe not. No,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: he's been getting reps at right You're right, I haven't
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen you know, I got you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Shally running with the ones, like saying jps al Michaels. Well,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that's competition, I'm saying. I mean, I'm not saying I'm
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: not seeing Shaquille Griffin share time at corner. I mean
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: he's the corner now, he's starting corner right now. To
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: think about it, little has had some first team stuff.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Okay, you've been My point is,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, is there any scenario in this world if
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: both guys are healthy, Like, any scenario you can think
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: of that Trevor Lawrence is not walking out there with
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the first offense when we play in Houston, Texas? Is
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: there like like I I would think about the other
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: day because I actually agree with Pete if it was
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: me and again, Urbans won national titles. I have not.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So maybe there's a did they go to the Sun
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Bowl one year? Yeah that was not national title? And
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: maybe there's a method that he like, that he is
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: believes in and has had success in this type of situation.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I just can't think of any scenario in the for
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the life of me where Trevor Lawrence is not your
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: starting quarterback. And if that's the case, the dude needs
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: reps as many reps as he can get with the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: guys that are gonna be on the field with him,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and it's but Tony. This isn't Andy Dalton and Justin Fields.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: You have a veteran who's capable, and you have a
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: kid who's trying to take the job. This is the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: number one overall pick and a guy who proved last
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: year he can't play even beat debates. Uh, Pete, I'm not.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I mean the only I don't they agree with us?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I will say this my uh, I don't know. I'm
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: sure they agreed, but they mean there's just they don't well,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Pete saying is different though, JP, I'm sure true, Sir,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Sir um to Urban Urban took the job. One of
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the major reasons number one over quick. The point is,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: if that's the case, then why aren't you getting him
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: as many rips are the ones as possible question? That's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that's my only contention. I know it doesn't matter. The
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: rest of it is just like dumb talk radio stuff
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: that who cares. The real question is is if that's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the case and he is your starter, then give him
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: as many reps as possible with the starters. That's my
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: only point. It makes me those are going to be
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: your guys during the season. They're not gonna be Gardner
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Minshew's guys. There his guys. Now, you can give Minshew
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a few reps with the ones just in case something
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: happens the large and he's grey with them, But you
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: don't give him lit. You don't split them in and out.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: That's just stupidity. I don't I don't get it. I
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: just don't understand. And maybe Urban knows something that I
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: don't know, which is more football than I do in
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: my life, will ever know in my lifetime. But this
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: is a bad decision. And you know there's over a
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: month to the regular season, though every rep counts. And
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I promise you if you asked if any of those coaches,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: do you believe reps matter? Do you mean do you
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: think reps in August matter for September? And I guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you the answers yes. And so I just don't understand it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but it does make me laugh, Pete, because
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I remember when I got drafted by the Jacks, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember this. During O T A S
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I ran with the threes because quote unquote, this is
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: no I wanted to make sure, I urge that's what
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: they're that's what they're saying, when you went to training camp,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: where were you? I was with the starters. You gotta
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: own it, you gotta earn it. And here's the thing,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Tony knows this. As an offensive lineman, you gotta work
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: together as you gotta get the reps. And as a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: quarterback you need to get the reps with those guys
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  Speaker 1: in front of you, not just the receivers. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I just the strain's over ended. Get it over with well,
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  Speaker 1: and it goes to the point. And because here, I
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: mean again, nothing against Gardner Minshew. He's he's worked extremely
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: hard this offseason, He's had a good camp and he
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: is clearly the best backup. It's not in my opinion
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: watching um and so congratulations kudos to him for, you know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: putting the time in. But anyone who watches the two
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of them on the field, it's not. I mean, Trevor
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Lawrence is just it's a different dude. The guy has
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: superior talent that no matter how hard Gardners meants you
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: ever work. I mean, there's certain things that Trevor Lawrence
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: can just do with the football that Gardner ritch you
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: can't do. He'll pull him out about three or four
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: times five times of practice. Trevor will make a throw.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, that's different, and he teach it and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: you watch the little things, his footwork, his timing, his accuracy,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I mean he is. His athletic ability. The other thing
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: that I've been impressed with. How many times during training
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: camp have you seen something where um, there's a mechanical
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: issue in the huddle at the line of scrimmage, him
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: looking confused, him not being in charge. It doesn't happen
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: now the next the next test is when the live
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: rush comes against the Browns. How does he do in
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the pocket? Everything looks so far that he can't get hit.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: He is very comfortable. He moves around. In college, he
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was very comfortable. I mean, the guy is look special.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: He's gonna go do it, and there will be a
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: learning curve, and yes he'll have bad games, and yes
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: he will throw it to the wrong colored jersey because
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that's what young quarterbacks do. But for everything I've seen
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Pete Early, he's special. Oh man, he's specials for the
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: next decade. Don't worry about the quarterback position. Just do
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I worry about it. And by the way, kudos to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: the Garden mitshow to fight through and become the best
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: backup quarterback on the team because I didn't I didn't think.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't know if he'd be on the roster. We
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: talked about that last year. And here's the other thing.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: If he is the backup quarterback, it wasted a lot
• 31:22
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• 31:25
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• 31:28
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• 31:29
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• 31:32
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  Speaker 1: greatness from Josh and we're gonna keep pushing came him
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: until we get it out of it. But he's gotta
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: get better. Who's trying to do everything we're asking. We
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: just gotta find two in some of his technique. Keep
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it simple form, get a spot fast, because you do
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: have God give an ability. Get to a spot fast.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And if you tackle I'm talking his past, your bacle
• 36:06
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• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Joe Collen, defensive coordinator up hearing that voice back in
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars coaching staff and welcome back to Jaguar's Happy Hour.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, Tony Vaselli, Pete Prisco, Glad you're along
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: with us today. He was discussing Caleb on Chase on
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: That was on Friday after practice, kind of you know, hey,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: challenging him a good bit there with that sound bite,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and then Saturday, Tony Jason came out I think had
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: his best practice of camp so far. Sack was all
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: over the ball pass defense at the line of scrimmage.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he heard the sound bite, but
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: it was good to see him really step up and
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: step out. Yeah. I mean, I think the system that
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Joe's putting in will help feature Cablon Chason's ability. Calebon
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Caleb on what I say, ca Valan, it's calev Caleb
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Caleb exa. Um, Uh, it's a better it's a better
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: um system because it'll put him in space more. I
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: think he got swallowed up last year and he didn't
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: do a great job with the transition from college to
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: having his hand in the ground every play as a
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: defensive end for the Jaguars. And I think in there's
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: three four he's in space. He can move around a
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: little bit, get matched up with back sometimes, get matched
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: up with the tight end every once in a while,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and rushed from a space position against the tackle is
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: gonna help him out quite a bit. Because he is
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: an athlete, he has God give abilities. As Joe Colin
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: had had mentioned, Um, what I did see Saturday's practice,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I wasn't here. Um what I've seen in practice, what
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I've seen on tape, Um, he is better, but still
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: he gets overwhelmed a little bit. Um he does. You know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: he's a guy. He has to use that speed and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: get get the get the tackles hands awfu him if
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: he gets engaged. He's just not a big enough man
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to overcome it. So I think what Joe said is
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: after right, it's a work in progress, and uh, he's
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: got to get better. They need production at him this year.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: They need production out of Josh Allen as well. Um,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: you know watching him in camp. Nothing, it's not like
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: there's been a bunch of big flashes. I haven't seen
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: at least um not early Saturday was really the one
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: for him. I'm talking about yea, Yeah, he looks in
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: great shape. Oh, he looks in great shape. Did how
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: did I didn't see Saturday? No on Saturday? And I
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: mean nothing really nothing that you say, nothing out of
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the ordinary. But he's really good. So that's great. How
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: many sacks for jan Well this year, because that's his
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: name from now on. How many sacks for caval On
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: this year? Tony? Um, No, I'd taste six or seven.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: So if they can get double digits out of Alan,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: which they should. If you're picked where you're picked, you
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: should get that. That guy should get double digits five
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: for five or six for Cabalan. Um, it's Calevan Calebon,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I know what it is, Calevan? You alright? Five or
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: six for Calebon? How many where else did they get
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: that gets? You gotta get the forty to have a
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: good pass, right, So are you gonna get interior? Roy Robertson,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Harris Robertson, Harris, I think we'll give some production to you.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: How many three or four? I think he has five
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: or six? I think Smoots another guy who's gonna I
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: think you'll see um, you know, six to eight. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: think John six plus to four or five one six,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: stay twenty eight Miles. Jack will get a couple of
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Blitzer baby five or six, right, and don't forget about
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: god Ward is another guy who's you know, he's a
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: you know, middle you know, middle single digit guy. What
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to point out is to get the thirty five,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Chason has to be better and what you think he's
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: gonna get, and Alan has to be better than what
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get. What did you say you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: think all get ten? Yeah? Hey, why didn't we're looking
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: at smooth on the gap? Why do you change his number?
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Wasn't he ninety four before he was? And ninety one
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: was open and when in Gockway was no longer around.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Then he decided to finally change it was it was
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: his number. Okay, that was curious. Um yeah, so um
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: switching gears. Yeah. Well, the way, we're sticking on defense
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: here and C. J. Henderson has been in the news
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: this week. Trade rumors are out there, some reports have
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: been out even this afternoon. The Times picking unit in
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: New Orleans said that the Saints are looking at the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: corners and including C. J. Henderson. That has been a
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: hot topic today Tony. Well, yeah, I mean if you
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: look at from the beginning, you know, if C. J.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Henderson be in the first round pick last year, he
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: you know, came out. There were some comments during camp
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, I mean pre camping sorry draft day.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: If I go back to his like about his interest
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: to being a Jaguar, that quickly went away, quickly put
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: that to bed. No big deal came out to camp.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe some Nixon you know, injuries during camp.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: But then opening day last year was like a superstar
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: great had an interception off rivers. Yeah, I mean just
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: looked fabulous and and then was up and down to
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: like a lot of rookies. But then the injuries started
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: coming and you just started hearing stuff just like and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: it was just and the next thing you know, he's
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: in I are, Um, he had a shoulder issue, that
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: growing a bunch of different stuff and so you started
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: instantly worrying about the availability. UM. And then this offseason,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you know, you didn't hear a lot about it, but
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: you heard you know, is there injuries? And then he
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: starts off camp, you know, on the COVID list, and
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: then he finally shows up and then he's one practice
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: in and he's gone again. And so there's just all
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: these different things swirling. And immediately you hear about these
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: trade rumors and so you know, not where you want
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to be with the guy you picked in the top
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: ten to come so of your corner issue and um,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: but this is where we are and this is we'll
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: see where it goes. I mean, the rumors are out there.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: You hear about him. UM, tell you what, I was
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: just in New Orleans. They're looking for a corner and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you know there's you know, there's people regardless of what
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: has happened here and all the different rumors and nonsense
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: and whatever whatever is true or not, who knows. Um,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: you just know that the rumors are about trade. You know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: he's been at one practice and it's been a little bit.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: You know, he's not been available, but you but there's
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a he was a he was a top corner prospect
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: just a year ago, and you know that a bunch
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: of other teams had them high on their board. So, um,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: now will they get the value that a top as
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: a top want to know? But they'll get something. They'll
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: be a team out there interested because they will feel
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: like and they will remember the evaluation they did of
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: him as a Gator and say, hey, whatever happened at
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville happened, we can fix it. We can get the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: most out of him. Let's go take a chance. And
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: he's got a relatively cheap contract. That's right. If you're
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: like you're the Saint. You've got a bunch of money
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in Marshawn Lattimore, who might get suspended, by the way,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and your other corners drafted for what for he got
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: arrested for he had a gun charge, a legal firearm
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: or whatever, so there's a chance he gets suspended. And
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: then you have the kids you drafted out of Stanford
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: a debo and you have Patrick Robinson and guys like that.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are twenty years old. They need
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a corner, and I was told they're going to get
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a corner. Henderson would make a lot of sense to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the Saints. It's a cheap But again, when you start
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: talking about play yours, why isn't he on? The availability
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: is the only ability that truly matters, and he hasn't
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: been available, and that's the big concern. It's availability issue. Um,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: And you can't control COVID's that's that's no, you can't
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: cod that's how. That's how the that's how the young
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: man's The question is does he love it well? I mean,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that's the question. I mean, and that's always a question question.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: When he came out of college in Florida, the scouts
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: all when you talk to the scouts, the personnel people,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: they asked that same question. Does he love it? Will
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: he will? Will you get to the NFL game and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: love it? Understand it's something that you have to I mean,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it's one of the evaluations. It's part of the evaluation process.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Anytime you pick a guy, you know, there's a lot
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: of talented guys, I mean, and set aside C. J.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Henderson for a Second, there's a ton of talented guys
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: in college that are just great because they're great athletes,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: but they don't truly love ball. And you better love
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: football if you're gonna, you know, if you're gonna have
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: long term success, and and and you want a guy,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you want a locker room full of guys who love ball.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: They just love football. It's a hard game and if
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: you don't love it, it's really really hard. But what
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: do you think they get back for him? Like the
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Saints make it, call him up and say, hey, we'd
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: love to have THO was our starting corner. What do
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: you get back for him? I heard they have di
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: scrambled wide receiver right hearing stories about there. You don't
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: want him here either, Yeah, yeah, you're not getting Michael Thomas.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think you don't want to be here anyways. Yeah,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I mean because there's a lot of noise around him.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Pat to your point, Oh my gosh, you don't want
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: him around there. That's not what this young team needs.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: That's not what that young quarterback needs. They don't know,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you don't want you don't want that. And so um,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: so what do you get back? Third or fourth? Well,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I'd be apprehensive to trade him
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: for a three or four totally was gone with him
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: when it's not fixed bolt, which I don't think that's
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the case. I wouldn't trade him for anything less than two?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Are you thinking? I mean, Pete, but you, I mean,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: you know this as well as I do. If it
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: just depends how much smoke is out there, you know,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: and we don't hear everything I mean, and half the
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: stuff you hear is well, then yeah, then I I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: would agree with you. But you have to I think
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: if you're building something here, you have to make the decision.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And again I'll go back to you want a bunch
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: of guys out locker room that love football, And I
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: don't know CJ. Henderson's I'm not gonna make an evaluation.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know you heard the Pete's point. You heard
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: stuff coming out of college last year. It's a long
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: time ago. But Urban and the coaching staff they've been
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: around him now and Trent Balky. Part of the evaluation is, okay,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: number one, what do you want to get for him?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: And if it's a two and you can't get it
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: too well, then if you keep them, is is he
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: gonna be available, are we gonna get production out of him?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: And does he want does he love it? I don't
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: know that. I can't to those questions. See, and I
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: don't think this is I don't think this is a
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: case where Jalen didn't want to be in Jacksonville. I
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: don't think that's the case at all. That that's not
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the issue. It's not this staff or this regime or
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: anything like that. That's at least that's what I saw.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: It's just a matter of get him on the field.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And if I'm urban Meyer and Gang, I'd like to
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: have him on my team. But if if they clearly
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: it's been leaked out there that he's available and teams
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: know that, how do you amend that fence? Now? If
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: you do, you know, if that gets out, that's out
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and just by just you know, um, it's pretty obvious
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: that if you're top ten pick after just one year
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: and a partial year because he was injured, is all
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: of a sudden available after one practicing for one day
• 47:53
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  Speaker 1: down home, and really had a great relationship with his players.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: How difficult was that confidence stational interview, the idea of
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: having to go confront him, Well, for some it was
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: it was actually done on the phone. But but for
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: some coaches, no matter where it's done, it would have
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: been bad, and he wasn't that way. I mean, you know,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: we had a story. It was allegations of the program cheating,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and it never ran. Um. But it was a good story.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: It was well researched, and for whatever reason something happened
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: it didn't run. But um, it could have been ugly
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't. And I respected him for that. I mean,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and the times I went over there. I mean one
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: time we were driving through This has nothing to do
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: with him, but we were driving through the parking lot,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: looking right down license plate numbers and the player parking
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: lot and they chased us away. And then that's the
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: kind of investigation it was. And and he, you know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: could have been angry about it. He was he was
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: always he was always easy going as a coach and
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and even with the media. And I think that's why
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: the media liked him so much. But you, Tony, have
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: you ever interact with Hall of Fame tough college and uh,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: maybe not at all. I'm trying to think of covering games.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Did some college games for Florida State when he was there,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: did his last game at the Gator Bowl. Um, But
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: have a lot of friends who played for him and
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: new guys who played for him, and and everything you hear, UM,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: great coach, better person. And if you just look at
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: the life he's lived, I think Urban said the best.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, what a life, What an example um that
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: he set for so many individuals, and what an impact
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: he made at Florida State. And you know building a program. Yes,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: on the field, but also I've never heard one person
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: say anything negative about Bobby about and that's that's tough.
• 55:42
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• 55:45
  Speaker 1: you can find somebody who doesn't like a person, but
• 55:49
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• 55:51
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• 55:56
  Speaker 1: a disaster scratch. Basically. The best way he did it
• 56:00
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• 56:03
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• 56:05
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• 56:08
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• 56:10
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• 1:00:13
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• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: and pride of the Jaguars Left tackle Tony Boselli. Glad
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you're along with us, says the Jaguars continued training camp.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Players off today, back on the practice field Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: and then they'll host the Cleveland Browns in preseason Week one,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Saturday night, seven o'clock at t I A A. Bank Field.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it's here already. This is our first
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Monday Happy Hour program since January four. We're back and
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: we'll be here pretty much every Monday until the day
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl. Pete if the Jaguars go that far.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: How about it? And uh, if Tony goes to England
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and can't do the show, that'll be our highest rated
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: show that Monday, like it always is the tradition. Unlike
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: any is there any word on the ticket sales are
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: beginning in phases in the UK, okay, and I think
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: they're gonna sell until otherwise, you know, if if I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: don't know, if there's a drop dead date where they
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: have to say, hey, it's not gonna happen, or it
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: is gonna happen. But ticket sales are beginning in phases
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: in the UK for those games. So that means that
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: we will have our Tony less show that Monday after
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the game, the highest rate every year since we've been
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: doing this show, it's the highest rated show going through
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: the roof. Yeah, we'll see about that. The numbers don't lie. Oh,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: the people say they love it, Pete. I mean I
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: get a lot of people who come to me and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: say that show is magic radio. I mean it's incredible
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: to listen to. Let's test it. You guys can't do
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: the last hour by yourself. He's always looking for a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: way out. We're starting with a bang, Pete, you count
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: me out, Pete seconds next period j P, Tony, Tony
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: get ready, walk out, h walk out, walk out. You're
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: gonna have to carry it more and make sure your
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: water get the water. I love it. I did, miss Um.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I always enjoyed that lending game. I mean I know
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: very few people probably did. I mean I don't know
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: who did or did not? Always always fun. Did you
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: enjoy it over there? Yeah? I personally, Jeff, I mean,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I mean not Joe. How do you feel about it?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot of work for you, technical guy,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I mean it is, you know,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: for guys like Tony Pete. For guys like Tony, he
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: gets to do all the big fancy parties and all
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: these things. Yeah. Trip. For guys like me work trip. Hey,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: don't hate the player, hite the game. JP. You go
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: every year? You don't go? I have been every year. Yes,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I've been very Fortunately you have to come home early
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and he gets to stay, which is right. When you
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: come back, you do the show. Tony has like other duties.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I guess. So I come back and I'm on the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: air Monday here in this student. You know, after flying
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: back with the team, I have sponsorship responsibilities that might
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: not be the case, might not be the case. Too
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: early to tell. Yeah, I mean i've even heard you
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: know what the plan is. But your day, Yeah, keep going,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: love it. The Jaguars are in the stadium Sunday. They're
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: off today. As we said, back on the practice field
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: the rest of the way, no more open practices to fans.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Sunday was the last chance to see the Jacks for
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: free in this offseason program. C J. Henderson has been
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: in the news today. Well, the trade rumors have been
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: out there, at least in this afternoon, the New Orleans
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Times picking you newspaper reporting that the Saints are looking
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: for a corner, including looking at c J. Henderson. There
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: are those trade rumors. That's not the only one that's
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: been out there today, Tony, but that's been the big
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: topic of discussion. And Pete, you think we talked about
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: this in the first hour. You think they should try
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: to get a second round or you think they can
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: get a second rounder for CJ. Uh Yeah, maybe, I
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: mean he is was the ninth overall picked people at
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: first or high first round graids on them. So yeah,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I think there's a possibility. No, I listen from a
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: talent standpoint, there's no doubt about it. We saw it
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: firsthand that dude can play football when he's on the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: first round. No, I know that the but my point
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: is he can play. The question is you know availability,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: which we addressed, and if I was a opposing team,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: my first question is, Okay, why are you trading him
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: after one year? Right? I mean, wouldn't a legitimate question. Yeah? Yeah.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: By the way, if it's even true, the Jaguars have
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: not confirmed they're trading. Um, there's nothing out there. It's
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: a report, you know on several outlets are saying that
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: they're that they're it's open for business as far as
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: having conversations about trading for CJ. Henderson, But to be clear,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars have not confirmed that that is the case. Again,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I go back to the Saints. For the Saints a
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: cheap corner, and that's what he is right now. Makes
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of sense for a quarterback needy team. For example,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: if they were in the market to trade for Xavian
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Howard before he got his deal restructured, that would have
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: been to twenty million dollar corners. You can't do that,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: but you can do it with c J. Henderson because
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: his deal is finals financially uh good for the team.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: So I think it's possible that the Saints could make
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: that deal if they wanted. So, the Jaguars spent a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: lot of actual cash and then draft equity at the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: cornerback position. This offseason. Shatt Griffin came over in free agency,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: big deal of course, from the Seahawks, and then in
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: the draft Tyson Campbell second round draft pick. If for
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: some reason c J. Henderson is no longer on this roster,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: are the Jags okay at cornerback? To do they feel
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: like they have to go get somebody else at some
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: point that can actually go play and play right away. Um,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: let's go through it. I mean Sidney Jones, you know again,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Nick Dupple throughout his career, but when he was healthy
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: last year, he looked he played good corner outside corner,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: was a good player. Trey Herndon more of a nickel
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: or a backup outside guy I think was We're I mean,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: but he started outside and was a productive guy. But yeah,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: that's why I said he moved to nickel. Um, I've
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: been super impressed what I've seen from Tyson Campbell. He
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: seems to be around the ball, good cover, guy has length,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: he was good yesterday, good size, um, and so you
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: know you drafted him the top of the second round
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: for a reason. It's almost like another first rounder. Um.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: So I mean I think you could piece it together. Yeah,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: you can piece it together. But it hurts because you're
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: counting on you got. You draft the guy in the
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: top ten because you think he's a starter. But how
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: do you play it? If Henderson's there's Henderson, Griffin and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Campbell's Campbell's So if if he's not there, then it
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: becomes what Griffin Jones and Campbell's and nickel or Griff
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and Campbell outside and heard the nickel, Yeah, some combination
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: of the such. Where do you think Campbell is more
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: comfortable playing? I think he's an outside corner. Um. Yeah,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: that's I don't know, Pete. I have not to be honestly.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: It's not like I've watched every play to see where
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: he's been lining up, and I've not talked to I
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: haven't heard from any of the coaches. I don't think
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: an outside corner. Well, that's because of his length right
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: here right and the little corner in the slot usually
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: has to turn and as I don't he's more of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: a long glider. I don't. I think he could play
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: the nickel, but I think he's more of an outside.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Another position of interest, of course, in this training camp
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: so far has been the offensive tackles. Cam Robinson. He's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: in the franchise tag year thirteen point seven million dollars
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: guaranteed this season. Juwan Taylor on the right side, trying
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: to bounce back from a penalty laden season let's say
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: a year ago, and then the Jaguars in the second round.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Later in the second on after the Campbell pick went
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: and got Walker Little from Stanford, and he has not
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: played since early in the nineteen season. He injured his
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: knee in the opening game against Northwestern that year and
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: missed the entire season, came back, opted out last year,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: did not play last season, so he has not played
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: football since Week one of twenty nineteen. He told me
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: the other week that he has fired up to be
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: back in an actual football game at some point very soon.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: There have been some moments, at least in one on
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: ones when the pads went on, that you can see
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: his size and his his ability to to play and
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: do things the right way. Tony. What have you seen
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: on tape from him? What have you seen out of
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: little the times you've seen him in person? Um, he's
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: a big athletic man. I mean he's just a big
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: person UM. And he has natural ability, natural strength, UM
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: to be a really good player both you know, run game,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: pass game obviously you know you know some things he
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: can clean up UM in the past game and and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: you know footwork, you know, in coordination with you know
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: uh in uh working with his hand placement and everything else.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: But just overall, UM, you see why he was, you know,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: before the injury and before the opt out was you know,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: thought about it as a first round traft pick. And
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: and my guess is if he would have played last year,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: he would have been a first round draft pick this year.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's he is a very high ceiling and
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: I think he'll push. I think I think he'll push
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: both the tackles. Does he play this year? I think
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: he does? Which side? When you do this all the time,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: when I don't know, well, I mean I don't know.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing I've said all year, said the offseason,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: saying it camp. I feel really good about the interior too.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I think the the um. Two out the two tackles,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Joan Taylor and Cam Robinson have a ton of talent,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: like they have upside, They're big, physical men. They are
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: inconsistent and you have to be more consistent if you
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: want to be effective as an offense. You need consistency.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: How those guys where they can hold up when it matters.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: And I just I worry about the footwork I worry about,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: you know, especially in the pass game. I worry about
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: UM holding up on a good outside rushers where we
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: saw them struggle last year at times and and early.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: And this is super early, so you don't want to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: jump to conclusions after a little bit over a week
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: of camp. You still see some of the tendencies. Talking
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: about Cam Robinson where he kind of opens up the
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: gate gets you know, perpendicular to the line of scrimmage
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: really early shortened that corner for an outside rusher, and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: that's something has plagued them for most of his career.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: And I think Jowan Taylor is again another guy I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: think he needs to play bigger. I don't think Jowan
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Taylor plays his big um as he as I think
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: he should. It's funny Tony when you mentioned that because
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I think the same thing when you leon seriously, was
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: not a big man, but he played big. He played big.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: This he just got doesn't play big. And judging from
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: what people are saying up there, and I only saw
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: one practice, he's had a good camp, Juwan Taylor. But
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, JP, You're being kind. Penalties. That wasn't
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the only part of the problems of his game last year.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: He wasn't very good. He regrets, he regrets came Robinson
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: didn't get better. That's why they drafted Walker Little, and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: so I think I think early in the season Walker
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Little will be the left tackle, does too. He just
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to say so. You think you know they
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: they oh came robs in million dollars matter what, which
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: is why he's the starter right now. But you think
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Walker Little wins the job before too long. If let's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: put this way, If Cam Robinson place like he did
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: last season, yes, I agree, little Walker Little will be
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: in there by October. I agree with that. Then what
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: do you do with Cam Robinson after the year. You
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: get rid of them, your backup and just eat the
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: the backup and and yeah, you're not gonna play. First
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: of all, I don't care about you're paying the guy.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: If the guy behind him is better, you're not gonna
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: play it right. You don't move into a different spot.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: We're not going to overtake any There's all that talk
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: of trying to my guard. He hasn't done any guard
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: work that I know of. Okay, is he gonna be
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: better than a j Can or or Noral? Obviously they
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: don't think so if he's not working or cross training
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: there right, Well, and a j Can had good years
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: last year and he got Shotley behind them and BArch
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: and those guys project you gotta then you got Then
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: you have an expensive backup. I mean, you deal with it.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: But but you didn't when you pay at him, you
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: didn't know you were getting a tackle like that was
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: going to be there. Um. So if you're in that
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: scenario when you drafted, if you didn't know Walker Little
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: was gonna be there when you signed camera, when you
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: put that tag on Cam Robinson, your backup was Will Richardson, correct,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: that's right. So you protected yourself and now you protected
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: yourself and you still gotta tackle. So the best guy
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: plays if it's a Walker Little, I don't care what
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Cam Robinson is making he's gonna be an expensive backup
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: for a year. You paid him right, you didn't give
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: a long term deal. But I would agree with Pete
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: and listen, I'm rooting for Cam because I like Came
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: a lot. But the white you have to be consistent.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can have all the potential in the world,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: you can have all the ability and be big, and
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: you have to be athletic if you don't get it done,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: don't block people. Yeah, especially with let's standing in the backfield.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: I don't care who's in the backfield. Your jobs will
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: protect the quarterback. Now. It might be in the spotlight
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: more now, but it does it doesn't change. Nothing changes,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter if those two regressless. I mean Taylor really
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: regret which But you know, George Warhoffs got a challenge
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: this year. You didn't do it last Year's gotta get
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: into play better. So I'm looking forward to watching them
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: during the preseason games and see if because to me,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: it's all I mean, the offensive line so much is
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: about technique, Like if you if you, if you have
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: the right technique, you give yourself a chance to be
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: in the right position and give you yourself a much
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: better chance of winning or at least technical problem, Tony,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: you wants point out Pam Robinson's technical problem, but what
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: do you want, Taylors. I mean, he's a very vertical,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: uh center, And if you're not, if you're vertical meaning
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: going getting depth and really you know, kicking, then straight
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: back on the line. And if you're gonna do that,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: you better play big and you better be physical at
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: the point of attack to create the separation because you know,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: if you don't that that Russia, you're given that rusher
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of room instead of creating some width with
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: your kick. Now, both are viable techniques. I mean, guys
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: do both. But if you're gonna be vertical like that,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: you better you better be stout because An and he
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: just I mean, at times I don't think he plays
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: as big and he's a powerful man. He's a big man.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: I personally would try to get I try to create
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: more with um. I'm not a coach, and I'm not
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: saying that that's not a viable technique to teach, if
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: that's what jowans being taught. But I just think, you know,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: at times he just gets pushed back and gets too
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: soft in the pocket. I don't know the offensive line
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: mastermind told me that the Jaguars had two really good tackles.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: When you argue with me on Twitter, who's that? You know?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: You know that guy that has that offensive line mastermind
• 1:15:51
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• 1:15:55
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• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know of that. Yeah, well he got on me.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: He got on me because I ranked certain guys and
• 1:16:05
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• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. And then he
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: came back and tried to say the Jaguars had two
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: good tackles last year, and I went, you might want
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: to clean your eyes out a little bit. Who is
• 1:16:16
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• 1:16:21
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• 1:16:37
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  Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer asked earlier last week rather about the progress
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  Speaker 1: that's what you do with a young quarterback. You know
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be interceptions. He's throwing those. That's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: advisor to head coach Urban Meyer. Guy, Okay? How long
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: should Trevor how euse? Do we get paid to them?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but we're right. You're just another number
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  Speaker 1: in that side of the whole. Much less add to
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  Speaker 1: the list. How long should Trevor Lawrence play in preseason
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: weeks one, two, and three? Tony, go ahead. I'd play
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: him one quarter in preseason game one, all with the ones.
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  Speaker 1: Preseason game two, I'm playing him two quarters plus one
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  Speaker 1: series coming out of the half in preseason game number three.
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  Speaker 1: He is sitting on the bench next to me. Pete boy,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, um Remember, Tony, there's two weeks
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: before the last from the last preseason game until the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: start of the regular season. It's different this year, and
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: so do you want him not playing at all for
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: three weeks? So I might go a quarter in the
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: first game, quarter and a half in the second game,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe one series in the last game, just to
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  Speaker 1: get his feel for it again, Pete, I get what
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: you're saying, but I don't want to play any of
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: my offensive line in that third preseason game, and I'm
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: not putting them behind backups, not one series even. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're I'm not just talking about the I'm not talking
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  Speaker 1: about just him. I'm talking about the team. That means
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: you go three weeks without playing they way for the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: regular months last year. About playing before the first first game? Yeah,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: play games? You're still going to practice? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: I might. I might consider playing him one series if
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: he played the starters, but if not, then I wouldn't
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: play him. I'm with Tony, come let it come out
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: of the half in the second game and then get
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: him out of there. That's interesting, right, I mean because
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, it's also the first time Urbans had
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: to do this, right, he's got That's why he has
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: the NFL staff around him to help him. However, he's
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: been around forever. It's a different it's a different year though.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: There's it's a new thing. There's not four preseason games.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Cuts are on Tuesday. Um, so you know, it's an
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: entirely different thing this year. So how do you handle it?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: And by the way, they're back down to three different
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: cuts this year. Also, they go down to five Tuesday
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: after the first preseason game, and every Tuesday after that,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: it's like five week after that. But the last two,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: last one, you'd have a week and a half, so
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: you could you're gonna cut your roster and you're gonna
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: have a week and a half. You can get guys
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: in and they can get acclimated quicker. Remember it used
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: to happen, you'd have to get him acclimated right away
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  Speaker 1: because you're playing a game the next week. And the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Pete have the number one waiver claim for the
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: first three weeks of the season, so they'll have first option.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to have ever again with Drever Lard's
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: here either, nor will they. So yeah, changes, So, Tony,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: does that change your mind at all about the last one? No,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: because I don't want to play my starters one series.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: What's the what's the benefit of one series? It's all downside.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: You're probably right. Another prep week, you know you're gonna play.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Guess what? I prep them all week. They go out
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: for pregame warm up, they get their sweat on, and
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: guess what get out playing guys. I want to evaluate
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: that are down the line and see what I got.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: But Tony, what about Okay, So why play so much
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: in the second game? Because I my young quarterback to
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: go through like the mechanics and the work and everything else.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna play, You're gonna play the starters. Yeah,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I'm playing the starters. I'm playing. I'm playing. As much
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: as I hated it as a player, I think there's
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: a benefit playing a half, going in a halftime, coming
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: out and getting a series. I don't know. I don't
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: even know if you're not gonna do I don't know
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: if I would even do that. I play in the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: quarter and get them out of there, and then I
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: just think. I mean, he said, how hard does it
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: get adjusted the halftime? Well, I'm just saying, it's just
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: your body used to the mechanics. I'll say this, we
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: go what go look at how much? Not last year?
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: The year before, after the Chiefs went to the a
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: f C Championship. I we went to the Super Bowl,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: no AFC championship game and loss of the Patriots. Go
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: look how much that following preseason you saw they played
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: They're starters in preparation for the season, because this is
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: a super Bowl team that we're talking about a year ago. Yeah,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I mean two years two years ago. The one of
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: this team. This is a bunch of young kids. I
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: know that, but they I'm saying, they know. My point
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: is they played a bunch of football. Patrick Mahomes was
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: playing the first preseason game, played the second preseason game.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: This is when they had four preseason games. Even play
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: a little the third like, did you try to get reps?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: You gotta get practice? Okay, if you gotta get reps,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: and why not play a series in the lett and
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: the third preseason game? Yes, okay. The only reason I'm
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: saying not to because I know there's no chance they are.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to be right. What would you do, coach,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: I go playing a quarter in the final preseason game? Wow,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: well you just change your mind then no. But I'm
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: giving just giving both sides of the story. He's gonna
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: send him five minutes ago, Freddie flipbop? What are you doing?
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: What's that? I mean? I could be talked out of
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: the third preseason you just flip loop. My point is
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: to be talked out of it. Pete, I am steadfast
• 1:28:07
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• 1:28:10
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• 1:28:17
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• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: don't play well, Okay, you need to go out and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: play game played great, then you're not playing. Yes, it matters. Okay,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: let's see how sharp they are said about you said reps,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: you want reps, You get more reps if you're playing
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: the third piason. Well, if you stink you need more reps, yes,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: what if you play well, you just said you want more.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: You want reps. Period, that's what you said. You said
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: as a coach, you would play them. There is a
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: fine line when there becomes the reps verse the risk
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: after me, wait and that's true. I agree, So I
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: probably would play him your first, your first plan, plus
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: my series in the last game. I play one series
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: in the last games three. It depends on what they
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: do in the second preseason game. That determines what I do.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Much like Urban this past weekend, determined Sunday after when
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: he saw happen Saturday because he saw the how his
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: team practice a physical day were and they were nick
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: so he made a informed decision not to put the
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: pads on Sunday. I went with Urban, I evaluate my team.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it's best for my team. Pete, So
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: three offensive linemen around the final preseason game. Of course,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: you don't play him if everybody's health. That's not true.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: If they come out and they're smoking it in the
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: second preseason game and they're tight, we have a good
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: week of practice. I'm saying, boys, hang out. Question if
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: this was a normal preseason with like it used to be,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: with four preseason games, how would you play him? I'd go, um,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: one series. I mean to series the first preseason game,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: a quarter in a half, kind of like somewhere, a
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: quarter in a little bit, second preseason game, full half
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: series in the third preseason game. Nothing in the fourth
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: preseason game. So so two weeks before the regular season started,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: you would play more than a half. Now you're two
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: weeks out and you're only gonna you're not gonna play him.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: He fell right into that one. And I probably, and
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: really what I probably, I might not play him at
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: all in the first preseason game. I saw that one
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: coming a mile and a half and half that game's
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. No, I'm talking the old system, the four
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: preseason games. But this guy, this time you have to
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: play him. Yeah, you play him. I would think I'm
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: playing him. Yeah, let's see if we could go to
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  Speaker 1: you have a comment. To be clear, there was no
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: flip flopping, Pete. There was. I said from the beginning,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: two series or a quarter in the first preseason game,
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  Speaker 1: a half in one series in the second preseason game,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: nothing in the third preason's preseason game. I didn't did
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  Speaker 1: make an amendment of a possibility if the team did
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: not play well and I needed more reps, that I'd
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: be open to some time in the third preseason game.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: But you always have to weigh reps versus risk, and
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: if you have a good camp, good first preseason game,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: good second preseason game, have a good week of practice,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: you do not need that third preseason game. I'm standing
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: by that. That's my position and that's what I said.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: It got muddled up because Pete likes the twist words
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: and take things out of context. He's a typical reporter
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: that misquotes you and then prints it in the paper
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: and says, this is a story. Typical Tony allowed two
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: sacks today. But yeah, go ahead, you wanta you wanna
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: take a side on that. Can you fixture your butt
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: so they don't look like you're like, don't looks like
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: you're an alien? Hey, JP, you want to take it?
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Take pick a side? Who is right? So we're keeping
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: score on keeping it real? I think starting now, so
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: I think pete one. No, he did not. He copied me,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: said Tony, did you Then when I came back and
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: I asked you, how would you handle it if it
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: was a regular pondoth ways, I'm getting all kinds of
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: tweets and saying Tony was clearly um clearer and considren't
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: tell your family to make you look good. Concise is concise?
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Is not in Tony's dictionary. That doesn't work. That's not
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: how it works. For when I won the argument in
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: large part because when I came back and asked him
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: how he would play it if it was a four
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: week preseason like the old days, he said he would
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: have played him in the third week, and that was it.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: The case was closed. There bang the gabble. It's over.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Case dismissed. Pete win me the case of Robert Mundabi.
• 1:37:34
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  Speaker 1: pays to win, man. I mean, so all year you'll
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: get you get a bottle. By the end of the year,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: you'll have a case. Let's get to social media questions.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: We put out the bat signal earlier today and here's
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: the best we've come up with today at Sue Winners.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: Guys were happy year back. I'm misstating how much of
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: a difference of sports performance model Myers brought into the
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: team has made. As I would have thought, by now,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: most if not all clubs will be doing similar things
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: in this area. Pete. They've added so many facilities here
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: in the off season, cryo tank, hot cold tubs, all
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: these things that they didn't have before. And Urban has
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: made an emphasis. It's not the only place in the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: league that does this, though, is it. No. I was
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: at my anti practice facility the other day. You should
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: see the thing. It's incredible. They just built it. It's
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: right outside the stadium. It's phenomenal and that and that's
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: the next step for Jacksonville. He kudos to Urban for
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: bringing all that stuff in there. You have to have it.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: They just don't have the room for it. They need
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: a facility, and I think it's gonna get done. It
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: needs to get done. I will be real melancholy when
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: they do build the practice facility, in large part because
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: that means the days of the reporters sitting on the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: bench outside wait for guys to come out to get
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: the real story will be over. So the interesting thing
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: about the comment about the sports performance, I agree with Pete.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: I love it. As a player, do everything you can
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: I mean as it's I mean for the players as
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: a staff, do everything you can to make sure they're
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: ready to perform at the highest level, and it gives
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: them more value for themselves as well. I think it's great.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: I love it. I would love and I mean paid
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: the close enough attention. It would be interesting to do
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: at the end of this camp does and it's such
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: a small sample size, you perhaps to do it over
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: years by having these extra facilities and these extra treatments
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, cryoh and massage and hot cold, warm, whatever, tubs,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: I mean all the different stuff, which again all four
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I love it. As a player, I would have been
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: all about it is. I wonder what the difference is.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: Is there a direct correlation to less injuries, especially soft
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: tissue injuries? I think that. I mean, you can't the
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: guy blowing his knee out getting rolled up in a
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: pile and that's I mean, there's no bearing but soft
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: tissue injuries. I wonder if there's a direct correlation that
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: you can measure, it would be interesting. It would be
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: interesting to measure that over a long period of time.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: I mean one year you're not gonna do it, but like,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: over a five year period, did you lessen the number
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: of soft tissue in injuries? Yet have come a long
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: way from sprinkling creaton on the French Fries and the
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Gaffetheria Like it's amazing though how a few people miss
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: stuff back then, Pete, only because everyone's afraid the death
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: to go to the training room. You remember, do you
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: remember remember when used to being ocean, used to joke there,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: remember everywhere? But you know what I mean, it's just
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: it's a different mentality. I mean, it's incredible the facilities
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: nowadays and a player. I would have loved it because
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: you don't pay for it anymore on your you know
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: what Brian Flores told me the other day, goes. It
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: keeps the guys around longer. That's when it builds camaraderie.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: You don't you don't get out of there quickly in
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: the off season, even because there's so much right there.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: If you've got all that stuff right there, you don't
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: need to go get a massage somewhere else. You don't
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: need to go get crying therapy somewhere else. The food
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: is good. I mean it just it just makes sense
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: for teams to do that. I love it, and I'm
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: just jealous. Who wasn't around when I was a player.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: Let's move along to our next question from at Jay
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Hopkins b G S. Has Cama, Robinson or a Walker
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Little reached out to Tony um One. That's a private conversation.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: I like to you sound like a player now. I
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: have had um conversations with Cam over the years, and
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: I traded text messages with Walker after you got drafted.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: And I'll leave it at that. And we're not ready
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: to call anybody baby BASSELLI Yeah, just like over the years,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: every guy that's ever been called that. It's almost like
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: a curse. Baby, I'll say the same thing. And I know, Pete,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: you never you always like say oh stop number one,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: don't care it's done. Like let them be their own players,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: like like Camera Robinson, let me go be the left tackle,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope he exceeds what I did,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: and I hope he's a better player than I was,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: because that means it's good for our franchise. And if
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: it's not Camera Robinson, I hope it's Walker Little and
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: I hope John Taylor playing right tackles better than I
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: was and better than Leon Sarci was. I mean, that's
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: what you want for the franchise. I'd be leaning to
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: know on them. But Pete, you know what I mean
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: as an ex player, if you left the franchise, it's
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: not like about like, oh, you don't want anyone Like no, Yes,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: I want him to be better. I want to have
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: great careers. I want to make a ton of money,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: and I want us to win a super Bowl. Mike
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Pearson was baby BASSELLI never worked out. Luke Joko, Baby
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: BASSELLI never worked out. Maybe they stopped calling them that. Yeah,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: I would I never liked I never liked the moniker anyways,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: that and what they've had four or five padded practices
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: in camp already. It's so early played a preseason game. Yeah,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Loggs and I were talking about that, Pete, like, the
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: total amount of padded practices they'll have in quote unquote
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: camp we would have had in the first week of camp.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Think about that. It's incredible. I was telling one of
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: the telled Shack Barrett, he was all sweaty after practice
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: and I go, he goes, it's hot out here, and
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: I go, no idea, dude. Ray Perkins used to have
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: three practices a day, three no padded. We never had
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: three days. I remember we'd have two practice and the
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: walk through and the two practice were in the heat
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: of the day and they were both padded and you're
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: going full speed and just beating the hell out of me. Now,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: And by the way, this isn't the old guy said, Oh,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: we were tougher. Should have been Like my idea is,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: like I like what they do now, Like it would
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: have been better you guys would go to one than
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: two again, right, it was never two, two and two. No,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: it was so the first year it was two too
• 1:43:54
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• 1:43:57
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• 1:44:00
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• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: it was two one to one. Right, that's right Steven's point.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: It was too too, too, too too for sure. And
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I thought the second year he evolved a little bit.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Well maybe the second year was too to one, to
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: to one, and then it was to one to one.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: But they were they were all in pad. Everything was
• 1:44:22
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  Speaker 1: nine seven then and where they pound it really hard
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: that the other day first day, and a lot of
• 1:44:35
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• 1:44:37
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• 1:44:40
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  Speaker 1: But you always have to is anybody tackling? They don't
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: tackle there, right, No, I some places do though, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: not many though. Yeah. Let's get a couple more questions,
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  Speaker 1: and and let's go to the question number four, Brent
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: and at duval Noll. If we keep six wide receivers,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: who do we keep? Seems like it would be difficult
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: to cut Treadwell at this point. Well, let's do a
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: quick count and I got the list right here. Good
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: for you. Um let's go. We got well, you know
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: the visiness's not on the team. Marvin Jones on the team.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: J J. Chark on the team. Yes, even though he
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: had surgery. Yes, but Retyer said okay, three. Um, then
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: you start getting Dorset man. I already had a gun bunch, right.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Colin Johnson, Colin Johnson, I'd say he's on the team.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: I think I think Jalen Camp is on the team
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: because he's a big, physical guy who can play special teams.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's fine. But that's got to play special team.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Agnew on the team. He's a kick returning special team
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't really count as a receiver. Though, that's six. You
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: need one more Sea tread Well seven. Who am I cutting?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: There's like receivers, but with which guy of any note
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: is being caught? Dorsett Philip Dorset and Tavon Austin. They're
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: both first round picks. Yeah, but they're older. And maybe
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: now here's the thing. If you keep tread Well and
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: you keep Camp jail and Camp, do you get rid
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: of Collin Johnson because he doesn't run. And Urban Meyer
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: like speed team and those other guys are big and fast.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: Colin Johnson is just big and not a speed speed guy.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: There are six receivers probably on somebody else's roster right now.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: That could be another thing. Yeah, first waiver claim all
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: that well, JP had him trading for Michael Thomas, which
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Pete immediately shut down, saying bad idea. First off, you
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: do like speed, he doesn't run, No, he does not, big,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: big guy. Let's get our final question in at Dan
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: eight three eight one. Who got in better shape during
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: the break? Crisco or Bisselly. My money's on the cell
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: because I'm terrible. Yeah, I'm not much the first. However,
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  Speaker 1: I would actually, I would actually see you. It's a
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  Speaker 1: tie for last. Yeah, it's not. I'm a Pete. I'm
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: not in a good position because it's it's fat ball
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: season and I'm already fat. Yeah, but you know what, though,
• 1:47:25
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• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: But I ate bad, you know, but I'm trying to
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: be better leading into the season. Give me a month.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: I got a call on us to be coming up
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: at the end of the month. Too much information, t
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  Speaker 1: M I, t M, I do not need to hear
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  Speaker 1: five extra pounds underneath. That's great, Pete, this is a
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  Speaker 1: family show. Yeah great, let's come back. Thanks for the questions,
• 1:47:59
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  Speaker 1: J P Shadrick Tony was selling Pete Frisco Jil Fortunato
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: on the audio, Brent Reaver on the video side, tryp Padilla.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: You know, yes, what what of one of many things
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: you hate? What has want? Well? This time here because
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Pete loves doing it. He loves cutting down the roster,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: he loves cutting people. We got about eight minutes if
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: you want to do it, No, I hate it, like
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: even going through the wider's Sievers because like like Philip
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: door Set might be the guy that may. I mean,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: we're sitting here like making guesses. It's not like we're
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: watching enough tape to really determine who's having the better camp,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: whether it's Philip door Said or you know, Colin Johnson
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: or what they're looking for, because a lot of times
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: I think they're I think they're they're six receivers not
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: on the roster, you know, but but you don't know.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: And I mean I throughout Jalen camp out there, I'm
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: just assuming that they you know, he's a good specialties player.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: He looks I haven't watched one special team period. It
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: also shows there's a significant drop from three down. Well,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: I think I think the message to the fans is
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: and this is, you know, because you know, who knows.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe uh Josh Hammond, who had a bunch of catches,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: maybe he you know, shows up and does something. I mean,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: who knows. I think the message more than anything. The
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: three guys that we know, I would I say, I
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: don't know, I would be really confident are on the
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: roster or dj HRC, Marvin Jones and Levis Chanel. And
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: that's that's it. There's a drop down after that, and
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: then I think after that it's wide open. Yeah, that's Travis.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Travis E. T N plays wide receiver too. He lines
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: up out there something. He's still running back, I know,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: but he plays out but it's like he's been making
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: some catches the last couple of days. By the way,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: it's like running back. It's easy. The top three, I
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: can tell you. I mean, unless something drastic happens or
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: something gets surt, it's Travis E. T N. It's Carlos Hyde,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: it's James Robinson. Pretty easy tight end, pretty easy. I
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: don't know if Titans is easy. Number one? How many
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: you're keeping four? Because one of them will be the fullback.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: So if you're keeping four, you're keeping Ohaughnessy and then
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: who else you keep the rookie Luke Farrell? Yes, and
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: then you'd probably keep Elson and then you you got
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: then it becomes Tyler Davis or Tebow in the practice squad,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: which I think it'll be Tyler Davis. I think Tebow
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: is the six tight end on the at A six.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah you disagree, um do? I disagree from what I've
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: seen though, Okay, so you know, but I mean, but
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: it's still earlier. I mean, there's so much stuff that
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: can happen between now, especially talking about right now the
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: Jaguars tight end some of the other ones. You know,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: it's like obvious the Jaguars tight end situation outside of
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: O'Shaughnessy and uh Mannards is wide open. It will be
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: decided during the preseason. Kind of seemed like the same
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: kind of guy to me, is going to be on
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: the te like you like you talk about Tebow, he's
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: being the six guy. Okay, maybe now what if he
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: goes out in games and just like dominates the one
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: thing that you know, he flashes it times good stuff.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: Then there's other things, like you watch his blocking ability.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: He needs to work on his physicality, especially if he's
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: gonna be that fullback. Hasn't been great and what I've
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: seen haven't seen it all. So maybe he's flashing at
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: times being really physical. He's not a very physical player
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: at the point of attack. The day I saw him,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: they pulled him on a play and he ducked his
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: head and the defensive end went right around them. And
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: so if you want to be that move tight end
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: fullback lead up on there in linebackers, you gotta be
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: a physical dude, and Jeff Logman said it best. Being
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: physical and tough as a quarterback is different than being
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: physical and tough as a position player, like a tight
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: end or full back. Okay, so what number is he
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: as a tight end position? Right now? In your mind?
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: Haven't we just gone through this? Well? He I mean,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: can you really distinguish between Tebow, Elveson and Davis? Is
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: it that is that big a deal? Is David? I
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: think it's between Davis and Tebow and the practice squad,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. It's right now, and then they
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: got three weeks to go, so I think it's early.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: Like that's still close, Pete, is my point is number one?
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I hate this more than anything. That's what
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: we're doing. Number Two, it is early, and like those
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: are really competitive positions. Let's touch on some notes from
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: around the National Football League. Pete, your guy in Buffalo
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: got paid quarterback Josh Allen's bringing on the Bacon. Hey, Look,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: they finally have their quarterback that they've been looking for
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: from Jim Colt since Jim Kelly's all kinds of guy.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: Pat Patrick Mahomes signed one year too early. No, I
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: meant tear that up again, burden the hand. I guess
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: here's my point. Did Patrick Mahomes signed too long of
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: a deal? Probably? Yes, Like why wouldn't he just settled,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: I'll sign a four year deal? Right? He did sign
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: too long a deal. I don't think there's any doubt
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: about that. But how do you turn that money down
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: when they put in front of it? Depends how much
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: of that back in guaranteed though. Yeah, he got a
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: lot of guaranteed money. Alan got more, you know, also
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: got a lot of money. It was Shawn Watson and
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: John McClain of the Houston Chronicle Today said, quote on Twitter,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Watson will never play another down for the Texans. End quote.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: So where's he playing? Who's going to trade for him
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: right now? No? But it's it's too big a risk.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: I mean you can't. I mean there's crimical there's there's
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: a criminal investigation. If I understanding the late reports going on,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: there's twenty two women who have civil charges against him.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's guilty. I'm just saying that's a
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: lot of drama going on. And if I'm a GM,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not trading first round draft picks plus getting up
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: salary for a guy that might not play for a while,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: and it's hard to It's hard to in this climate
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: and everything, it's hard to you sell that to your
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: fan base. You can't. Giants running back c Kwon Barkley
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: will return from the pup list today. That was the plan.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: They certainly missed him a year ago. How much better
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: and how much better does does he make them? Pete? Well,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: he makes them better, but he's a running back. You
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: know how I feel about that? Um again, though he
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: might not play week one, just an f y I
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: because yes, not all the way back and Pete, but
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: when didn't he get hurt early in the season. Yeah,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: that's that's the opposite of Adrian Peterson. Correct our final
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: thought Hall of Fame induction speeches. In the ensfrinment ceremony
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: the last couple of days, Peyton Mannings was challenging everyone
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: to make the game better. Tony, at what point in
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: your speech will you include Pete Prisco? First of all,
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: I have not been elected to the Hall of Fame.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know that like next year some breaking news,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: so I'm not going to talk about that. Thank you
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: JP next year. Next year, I will tell you this.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: J Pete over the course in the last decade, maybe
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: not a decade, but eight nine years, seven eight nine years,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: I've pestered a lot of writers and they run from
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: me now because they know I'm gonna talk about Tony
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: and they literally I see him there go here he comes.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: And so this year, for the first time ever, guys
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: have been coming up to me bringing it up and saying,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: your guys getting in this year. We'll see like it.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: I like it. That's a good first show, guys. Pete
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: will talk to you next week. Pete, you will later
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: next Monday. So you're here now, I'm in Minnesota. Oh
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: that's a little different from here. That's Pete Prisco, CBS
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