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Ecosistema digital - Invitado: Mariano Quiroga · Ecosistemas

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Hello from ecosystems. We send a fraternal greeting to all radio environment staff,
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the National Federation of Health Workers and its Secretary, Carlos Adamo, for allowing
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them to be part of this great family that is a radio ecosystem environment under
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the prism of polyhedron. How today' s world works, increasingly complex,
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more uncertain, changing, seemingly chaotic, a world of all against all or
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all for all. Not one thing or the other. The world operates in
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a delicate balance of interacting ecosystems. I propose that you think together about how
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these ecosystems work. A small pocket manual, perhaps just a bunch of thoughts
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and reflections that allow us to accommodate, order, orient, understand how we
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work in these hyper- informed and communicated societies, where it is hard for
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us to discover their senses and motives every day. I invite you to listen
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and discover together these ecosystems in which we are often inserted without wanting to be
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part of them and which, however, are part of our daily struggles and
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disappointments and under the prism of polyhedron, because every ecosystem is composed of different
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faces or sides, with its vertices and particularities. Unity in diversity, where
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the whole is superior to the parties, the agreement superior to the conflict the
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reality is imposed on the idea and time in space. This will allow us
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to build a sustainable world in an environment or full of humanity, in harmony
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with the unique protective nature of our existence and the generations to come welcome to
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ecosystems under the prism of polyhedroon. Everyone is welcome, we are warned by
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some personalities of the world, of science, of politics, of information,
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some political leaders, some relevant social personalities. That we' re at war.
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That' s what they tell us. A war without armies, without
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tanks, without missiles, without bullets, without borders, without trenches, without
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planes, without destructive ships, or any other known equipment of those traditional wars.
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What happens is they tell us that this war is taking place on other
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levels and, as in any war, the first wound of death is the
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truth. So we are, because this particular war is at the head of
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all of us, at the head of each of us. We live bombarded
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with stimuli that generate addictions, gambling, for example, not hate grudges,
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symbolic violence, discrimination, marginality, cruelty. Today the militias are digital and
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the bullets are the fake news loaded with poison, which continue to ruin our
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existence and sometimes generate a depression in our way of facing an overwhelming world that
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comes upon us. That' s why I want to invite you today to
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stop the ball and think together about this digital ecosystem to understand what we'
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re talking about when we talk about hybrid warfare or this strange world we'
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re looking at. And for this digital ecosystem, nothing less than a researcher,
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a journalist, a young professional who has dedicated himself to studying and,
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in addition, to military against this war. Mariano quiroga, welcome. Ecosystems,
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well, thank you very much. Well, what you were saying.
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You' re a journalist, a technology specialist, and I loved this as
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a digital skills trainer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It'
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s a bit. The last skill I acquired and that I am in constant
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formation. It has to do with being able to transmit some kind of knowledge
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to the people who are trying, to focus on what this digital ecosystem and
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social networks and so on. This is good to know that one can take
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a knowledge to receive it, but sometimes one can keep it selfishly or we
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can share it and promote it with others so that we can change something in
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this world and you created multiviral that you are the director of this great battalion.
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I see it as a great battalion very interesting for anyone who can get
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into that multiviral world, because there are many voices and there are many things
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to share and to understand this reality that today we have to live if you
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know that just today in the unity commune that we have in Whatsapp, I
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posed this that I asked in the group an application, something to translate books
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that are in English on the Internet. And one of the things I raised
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was that it' s very easy for me to search Google or some platform
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and find out what the app is that' s going to allow me to
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translate a book. But I also understand that the excuse of asking a friend,
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a family member, a partner if he knows that program. In reality,
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what it seeks is to build a community and not allow all the answers.
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Give me a screen, give me a platform, because, in short,
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that' s the excuse and I imagine we all have it in some
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way when we look for some specialist to tell us, instead of google it,
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also what we seek that exchange between us to continue maintaining the community and
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the sense of belonging in this world. I believe that this idea that you
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take from asking a person you know or not, but they are usually known
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or known to someone who comes to you by interposte person allows you that the
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message that that person gives you is developed and thought specifically for you individually and
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in a human way, because some knowledge can acquire in many ways, as
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you say well today, the chat chipit or any other system of artificial intelligence.
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It' s going to illustrate you mathematically in a mathematical world, but
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we' re not mathematical. No, no, and really what a friend
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can tell you is going to have to do with that. Mariano, I
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know you, because you were going to such a place. So you'
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re going to understand that this thing that I' m telling you has to
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do with the subway stop that you took, or with the grandmother that you
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had or with what we studied in geography, with the lady that we threw
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at her, there were from the bottom of the classroom. Yeah, yeah,
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it' s got to do with that. It also has to do
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with this idea that being able to give humanity to the answer, because to
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see the answer to tell you you dropped such an application lasts two seconds.
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Now the idea is that, after you recommend that app or put yourself in
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such a place another page, continue that dialogue, because you don' t
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tell someone to give me the app, but how are you, how are
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your things? It ends up being the excuse totally to be able to keep
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talking. No, and that seems to me to be what we' re
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trying to rescue. At least, I do it as an exercise that,
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even though the answer is somewhere on the Internet. I want to talk to
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someone and give them that place that I trust in what they have to tell
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me and, from their perspective of their subjectivity, they will accompany me in
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the search for knowledge in every sense, from asking what you do the Sunday
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Party to or how they form such a team to ask someone else than to
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teic I find it much more human and sensitive depending on what good, because
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we will see them together or because I remember how they played this or Akel.
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And then there is a human question that is non- transferable. I
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just had these same cruel networks today morning I read something very interesting that said
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that today is more important than keeping us human, rather than keeping us alive,
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keeping us human. Yeah, yeah, same here. I think it
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is also worth mentioning the balance that we have to make between this question of
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resorting to a person so that he cannot give us some answer in something that
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is also one of the principles where it originates, for example, the circulation
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of the viruses that you very well mentioned in the introduction of today' s
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program, because also when we talk about circulation of feck news or circulation of
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other things, today we usually have as reference that if it happened to me
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such person, such friend or if I am within a certain group of Whatsapp,
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then the circle in that information that circulates there. I take it as
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true, too. So it seems to me that and it is one of
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the things that I raise, because while I try and take a long time
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to investigate and understand it, these wars, as you very well mentioned,
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are at a very dazed moment, because the same thing that can give us
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an answer that can solve a problem is the same answer that can put us
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in an eggplant or can build us that effect of bubble or echo curtain.
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Then it is very difficult to know at what point one lives with the truth,
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at what moment one lives with a circulation of news that was false,
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at what time the networks are great allies to be able to form, to
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be able to inform oneself, and at what moment one is tainting all that
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noise that does not let us think how you came to this. You said
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something the other day, but I' d like you to tell it here.
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I start with multiviral or I start doing tech journalism. I started in
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the I am graduated from the technique of journalism that was dictated the exesma and
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I had a music program at the time, that was Local Rock where I
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invited and had the fortune and for me it was like one of the most
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beautiful interviews that I did in my life, because I did it from a
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very big fanaticism that I have towards the albums, towards Patricio r Zorrito Ricota,
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and I was lucky to have interviewed Rock and Boll in the silver.
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Well, and when I interviewed him, he had a very big material of
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almost an hour and he didn' t know how to break it into a
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thousand pieces. And there was a friend who told me Chep started studying Community
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Manager and so on. And that' s where I started getting involved with
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the social media issue more than anything from a commercial side. Then I realized
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that there could be a cash inflow there, because journalism doesn' t leave
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you much in money that we say, and then I started getting involved and
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so on. This was in the year two thousand twenty and just that same
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year, Netflix premieres a film called The Dilemma of Social Media, which is
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a super recommended movie because there appears Thristian Harry Sherron Lanier using his voice.
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I say a lot of experts and a lot of people who worked from the
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inside in the kitchen and suddenly I realized there that at some point I used
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commercially. It had a side that was like the kitchen, in which there
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were a lot of very interesting things to be able to approach it from the
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journalistic realm, from the communication. In that documentary the curtain is opened in
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some way to understand how Campbridge, analytics had intervened in extremely important elections in
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the world, not only here in Argentina in the two thousand fifteen, but
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in England, his separation from the European Union, in Colombia because of the
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issue of peace agreements, which were frustrated, how they intervened from some funds
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manipulating the vote of those citizens. Yeah, same there in America, too.
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I correct the documentary that talks about that is nothing private, Nothing is
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private that does treat in depth what was analytical cambrige and gives the great reason
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everything that was analytical champion to everything that was already being investigated and somehow putting
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in value a great character for me that I respect very much, that is
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Juliana Sánge, because he was the first one that, somehow alone, started
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to say viren what is going on? This data leak, the spy that
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was made on a lot of political leaders and that in part also multiviral,
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is taken by a song that records Julián Sanchez, with three street reindeer on
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thirteen street, that bears the same name and that has the voice off from
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Julián to Sanghe. But yes, analytical change is a little bit the awakening
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and breaking of the innocence that we may have had for a very long time
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with regard to the manipulation exercised by social networks, of platforms, about our
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way of even choosing who will lead our life during the four- year period.
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You say that, despite everything, one can be alarmed at the presence
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of these tools the pygdata also and so many others, but one can also
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use them intelligently, as you did with this song that we are going to
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listen to now the presenta yes, it is a song that for now has
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no name, because in fact there it knows as a presentation for a talk
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using some artificial intelligence tools. So let' s listen to the song that
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nameless, able to propose to the people who listen to it to see what
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name can be given to it. But welcome to listen to America many.
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Here are several whores, as our dream is that the mountain of hard itos
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are only Mexico, it is only tanti de jo, not me politician,
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it is called Neman Third, but we do not feel. We fight for
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our land yours and follow each other and say taker with the minds are judas,
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your actions and help and coherent. It opens up talking about chan I
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someone who towards you already created a true real- age idea and adenos.
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You keep an eye on us, and for something we' ve taken care
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of, they want to control us, they want to control us, they
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want us to benemelities of dysphasized days, but we bring friends to like more
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offensive ombres, defenses, we raise, we defuse to power, we already
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give ourselves our with united, with conscience and courage and our strong state by
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engine that I turn that you took all the urent minds, yes key the
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clay already I believe a truth that to u is what is in Latin America.
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But it was our eternal careers, our voice. Don' t turn
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Jian' s age off. We were defending the truth against the Mari populace.
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Our destiny is to know what answer your minds and Mariano, how can
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I announce this subject that has no name. But besides, the one who
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sings how one has no one before there is nothing. Well play the bass
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nothing and the battery is of nothing. They' re absolute programming. It
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' s WOW and I did it for the one I couldn' t get
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through in the end. I had scheduled to spend it in the talk where
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we met, which is at the Buenos Aires press union, in trial and
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I wanted to musicalize it. And what I did was that there was like
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the glossary of the topics that were going to be played that day and what
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I did was go to an artificial intelligence and tell him that with those keywords
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I will generate a WOW theme. And with that theme then we went to
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another artificial intelligence and that generates music, which generates this that we are seeing
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and put the voice, put the melody to it. And there' s
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a couple of very interesting things you can appreciate. First it' s news
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that there' s going around that. The two applications they use are called
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usone and another is called tremendous hatred. And a little while ago it happened
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that while there' s no one playing, what there is is a reference.
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If someone who does at some point made music and this artificial intelligence uses
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that reference to create what we were listening to and it will be a fortnight
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longer all that is universel soy and all the great records were planted during these
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two companies to make them some kind of demand or see what wave, because
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they are saying good to see what where you are using our databases or our
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artists that we have registered to generate music that is. Moreover, surely that
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sound is the sound generated by the voices, by the instruments, that is,
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it is not all artificial. It takes a pattern and that pattern implies
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a sound that existed at some point and that someone took it forward. The
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lyrics also built it. The lyrics built it. I asked for the concept.
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You threw away several concepts and various concepts and I asked him there that
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then, there is something very striking, because when you put what I know,
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I change analytical. What happens is that artificial intelligence builds prayer, because
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it says well that there is on the Internet about analytical change. What is
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circulating most is what are the words most related to the concept of analytical change.
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So, based on statistics, he' s trying to put together the
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prayers you' re asking him for more. Take the words and rhyme.
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Sure, because actually the rhyme is always rhymed in some way. There is
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no one then already studied a lot of time, for a long time training
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that is done on the ia is to let you know how a rhyme is
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composed. Because in rhyme and as much as it' s artistic, there
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' s something mathematical that says good when it goes a letter how the rhyme
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is composed. And there' s one more question of mathematical logic, totally
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creativity. As for creativity it is how you in that mathematical logic, in
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that compass you put some word that rhymes with another, but that is a
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training that becomes the same. I ask a question, and it' s
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how much of us there are. Also strictly natural, I say you are
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musicians, you were telling me, I say how much of your musical creation
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you haven' t heard a lot of artists and destruction. I took that
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and then those are things you say. Well, then there' s nothing
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made up. Okay. But clearly I was telling you before the time this
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could be put on the air. Let' s say whose rights are.
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This one you own, let' s say you' re going to sadaic
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and what you write down. At present there is a huge legal vacuum.
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Now what' s there is just like that. We' re all seeing
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what' s going on and we' re kind of scared and wonderful about
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what we' re living with. It' s also happening that we were
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seeing a couple of months ago, that the actors in the United States rising
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up and saying that we' re talking about our voices and so the images.
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As long as there is no regulation, no regulation, as long as
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there is nothing legal it is like it is legal and legal, and there
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is nothing written yet because there is nothing put into legal words to say that
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it is also logical that this digital world was built through the care and preservation
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of intellectual rights and today we still have it as good as what happened with
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the topic of football and this boy who had generated these sites to be able
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to see it for free having problems with justice and clearly, the issue of
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the king that economic organizations gave to intellectual rights over image and over sound.
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Well, now they' re tearing themselves apart or good by going into a
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complicated void of being able to give it a way out in the future.
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Not yes, in fact, Chaschi Piti, which is the one we know
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the most, does not give you sources, that is, does not tell
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you this, I pulled it out of such, but totally, we have
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some as perflexity or co- pilot, something says clear co- pilot.
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There are some that yes, they can quote you, they can put you
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there as a little number that is the famous bird foot for you to look
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for, even if you can illustrate yourself to know where the concept comes from.
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But if he doesn' t explain it to you, he won'
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t tell you. And there' s that question that, well, all
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that, that great material loses the possibility of knowing who the real author is
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and well, it' s a complex. It still happens that some songs
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cannot be passed because if you listen to it on the net, for example,
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on YouTube, you take or download the music, controls can be kept
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doing. Let' s always say you have the power to handle your platform.
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You decided that it goes and that it doesn' t go, not
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calmly and well, they elleon more with xs. That' s right.
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What happens there is that what is there is a regulation on the copyright of
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human beings. So that' s true, because it' s regulated.
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Then there is a law that protects the right to have that music, if
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it is going to be passed, have its certain safeguards why, because there
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is a current regulation that takes care of that work, but there is now
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nothing, or it is being created about what happens when you pass a melody
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generated with ia. Now it is beginning to emerge that it is capable that
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YouTube or tiktok puts you image created with artificial intelligence. But more than that
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there is now. What there is is a big vacuum and seeing that what
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we do with all this, which is a great basic that the big companies
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also have in that sense, because today with a pront you can generate an
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image and that way you put before you had to resort to some platform or
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some program much more sophisticated to be able to carry it out always in the
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background, the question is how I call attention how I seduce someone so that
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they can see it, so that it stays there, so that I take
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attention to what I am trying to say or do well, that too I
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have been working on the idea. Obviously, because I am a journalist and
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just as I like to be quoted and I very much respect the work of
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the people with whom I use as a source. But the idea of saying
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good, what do we do now, why don' t we take advantage
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of it and generate music around which I some book and that you can generate
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attention. What if we grab some fragment quoting it from the open veins of
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Latin America and turn it into a musical theme to approach it to a kid
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who can not approach the book, but able to hear a theme generated that
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has the melody of a trap or urban music and can, if it is,
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catch that attention to say good. You liked what you hear on this
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subject. Okay. You know it' s based on the book The Open
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Veins of Latin America, and there I do say. It seems to me
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that we have a great opportunity to use this tool as to attract attention and
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generate that back and forth with people who are not yet reading the books,
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who have to read how crazy this eh and God will be in these details.
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He told me he was an Indian fan, so flit nine fifty-
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six. It seems that in the end I will not get away with mine
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vor drinking iranche to me with desadona frana facetoria strange ollesa men. I'
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m so tired, I don' t have the strength to argue. Being
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sad you see I can' t talk. Frana en facce could do it.
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I know you' re going with my apology. My giving is always
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irvitous to him from cebre we will find it as if it is difficult not
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to be unjust or when he is able, Lord Lafas, excentore God,
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is not of streeters of oven. It will be less vulgar drama the past
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two months we will be left to cry or other strange Faria being the Indian
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Sonari a flight nine hundred fifty- six, that flight that fell, that
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flight that carried the love of his life, that disappointment of knowing how everything
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goes on without that valuable and loving thing that I lost I think that all
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this is very difficult that it can develop an artificial intelligence. There are a
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lot of feelings so human and so internal to linking things. No, because
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that' s another intelligence, which is kind of emotional. No, yes,
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yes, yes, there is a question there that has to do with
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translating into a letter what you saw as a human being, as a person,
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and that is merely artistic. He' s human and he' s
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not going to be replaced. Then it' s things we have to rescue.
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I listened to the writer Benjamin Lavataut, the Uruguayan who wrote mañac,
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who is one of the top books today and who is linked to scientific experts,
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and the breakup that took place in physics when he appreciated quantum physics among
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those who believed or not in that traditional knowledge of physics and what quantum physics
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implied, which was to break with everything, and I believe that today we
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are also going through this rupture of what we have understood and known in a
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way and the most difficult thing today is to unlearn what we learned in order
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to understand how we stand before what is coming and learn back. I think
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about the kids, not fundamentally we already have a life done. We are
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many of us born before digitization. We are analog beings and digital illiterates,
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and today they are digital beings and analog illiterates. Also if you know that
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about learning and unlearning, the other day I was thinking about this question of
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us we are very used and we criticize this question of GDPE does not include
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a sentence, a text and I say it is more important than understanding the
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concept in the text or learning to read it. I give you an example.
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If I say, if I give them a kid, that' s
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why I read a book by Felipe Piña about the History of St Martin,
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and that' s where I' m bored at four or five leaves and
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I don' t want to continue reading it. And that' s where
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the possibility of understanding and understanding who San Martín was in Argentine history is lost.
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Now what' s going on? If I, instead of giving a
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book to a three hundred and four hundred- page kid, I put him
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a video game in which he through the playful and personifies San Martín in the
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Cross of the Andes, he has to solve riddles that indicate to him that
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the exact moment in which things were happening and through that interaction he understands the
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history of Argentina. But you don' t understand it by reading a book,
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you understand it with a video game, a role- playing game is
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no longer important because you didn' t understand it with a book or the
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same. What we' re preserving is that he understands which was the San
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Martín Role at the Andes crossing. It can be very important. This isn
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' t new. The Americans understood this very well when they created Hollywood.
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How to teach you the story and, well, how to rethink the history
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of Greece, of Rome, of the great empires that today the face that
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we come to are American actors making the characters of Nero or Cleopatria. So
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those are the more dins we have to do. That is to say,
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it is to unlearn as well and understand that there are other formats when it
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comes to transmitting a teaching of people and going through other new methodologies or formats.
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There you have to talk to the people about education, who are the
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ones who can give a much more concrete answer. But I, if I
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have to think about it more as a user, as someone close to me,
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I say while the boy can learn basic questions of history, logic,
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philosophy, mathematics and capable of playing or capable of interacting with a good machine,
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then maybe we should also see obviously, we have to go through a
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lot of concepts, which is good, who is going to program that machine,
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how that information is going to get to the boy, because if the
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story is going to be through a video game that is going to be programmed
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and designed in America, well the segment of the sres of algorithms, of
36:04
course, then, I say well, those are things that do. We
36:05
need to debate whether we' re going to open the door to the big
36:09
platforms to come and be the ones to lower the information and teach us good.
36:14
We' re in big trouble. That' s why we defend it
36:20
from multiviral and we have it whenever we can, that the important thing is
36:25
to have a silicon valley own that is called Córdoba, Vale or Córdoba,
36:30
I don' t know how much, but that or Tucumán, but that
36:37
is a technological pole where video games, artificial intelligence programs are developed and that
36:43
are programmed by people who were born and raised in this country. Mariano voice
36:45
from multiviral. What a look we' re going to stay with the kids,
36:49
what a look they have about the gambling that today is tremendously epidemic.
36:55
Let' s say with the kids. There we had her chatting very little
37:00
with people from the digital lighthouse who are working very closely on these issues.
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I understand that this is a very complex situation. It' s a very
37:14
complicated situation because we have the case that today, to enter a casino,
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I say port of stake. Any of those who see your face today and
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see that you have ten fourteen fifteen years after today, with a cell phone
37:28
and falsifying your age or using the data of a parent' s deposited card,
37:32
you can already enter then I say. It is already a complicated situation,
37:38
already analyzing gambling in adults is complicated. I imagine it' s even
37:45
more complex with kids to think about. And there are a lot of questions
37:49
there going around that are the vices and evils that today we have not only
37:52
health disease, but also the generation of content linked to content. I say
38:00
girls at a very early age are selling erotic content on platforms and always the
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question is how to monetize it, not always there the thing happens, by
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the dream of making it money. And what happens is that it' s
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also a matter of making money. It' s also a matter of making
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you believe that it' s easy to make money and that it' s
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also true that the money you can generate in the generation of content out there.
38:30
On the topic of healthopathy, because the house always wins in that sense
38:32
and we know it, but in the generation of content out there there there
38:37
is a false belief that the money you can generate is a lot, because
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you can sell content outside the country, be able to sell it by able
38:50
that in a photo shoot or videos that took you an hour, out there
38:54
you earned what maybe an ordinary worker does a month to generate and without counting
39:00
the large amount of advertising And same that those same creators do telling you how
39:06
easy it is to make money and those who also tell you that if you
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' re not making so much money in a certain time, you' re
39:15
a failure and so on. So it' s a pretty complex issue.
39:19
Moreover, considering that it is legitimate, because we even have some political representatives
39:22
who tell with a loud voice that they have had this activity or that they
39:29
were carrying out similar activities. Well, Javier my Law, before having assumed
39:32
as President, had in the Twitter x Instagram profile the promotion of what is
39:40
like a cryptocurrency trading space and so on, many of these very similar almost
39:45
similar to what was generation Zoe and so on. I mean, there is
39:52
a question of promoting these things, and I also imagine that it is very
39:58
much linked to this issue of drug trafficking, because it is good for everyone
40:00
to see how they can generate money when the President does not say it in
40:07
any way explicitly and it is my conclusion linked to everything I do with technology.
40:10
But when he says good, people will manage to not starve. I
40:15
think and good capable that in one of those will think that good. It
40:17
is completely legitimate for a child to generate content or place bets online, because
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if the goal is not to starve, each one will manage to see how
40:25
he or she does not starve to death. Mariano to what extent technology is
40:30
responsible for the arrival of my law and the Presidency. I think it generated
40:36
good community. I think he didn' t need territoriality, as we were
40:43
used to. He has won in provinces where he did not step on them,
40:47
but I also understand that the economic, political and social situation of the
40:53
country was in crisis. It is quite complicated and good a person appeared who
40:57
knew how to build an attractive narrative for those sectors that were linked to social
41:06
networks. It' s no coincidence he built it. I mean because he
41:09
wasn' t the Canal Thirteen candidate, he wasn' t the nation'
41:13
s candidate, he was the social media candidate and he won the social media
41:16
candidate after one after what was the quarantine for covid in which we had a
41:24
lot of time locked up and where all we did was look at platforms and
41:31
social networks. And that built a subjectivity. And it' s no coincidence
41:37
either that the book that Javier Miley brought out and that he gave him that
41:40
knowledge is called Pandenomix and he took it out in the middle of quarantine is
41:51
Mariano wanting with us in this digital ecosystem. Of course, there' s
41:58
no school to teach you how to live one because a glass was Muru was
42:10
to you your body of ja imante a tapestries can' t swim to you.
42:24
There is no school that says vivi lan gelby Fi discovers the thief,
42:52
cuts his hands, removes it hides guapela, s exist or mass men,
43:09
it ovívido ombredor, but that he has suspicions that they are going to be
43:52
seen that thinks thing nes bessa. Yeah, it' s a school as
44:23
human, as ours, as amazing as ever. There' s no artificial
44:30
intelligence I can get with our dear black Mercedes Sosa, along with Charlie Garcia,
44:37
with disarming and bleeding. There' s no school that teaches how to
44:38
live. And we are with Mariano Quiroga in this digital ecosystem and we clearly
44:47
talked out of the air about this orphanhood that we have in Argentina, of
44:52
finding references that can explain to us a little bit the technological question. This
44:59
world of digital di, this war we' re in or into, but
45:04
with a national look, because usually what we get is a rebound from something
45:12
that happens elsewhere. Yeah, yeah, they exist. They are. We
45:19
are speaking Alfredo Moreno, dear friend, who is. All that is also
45:22
being done. It is a great reference this to Magman that write page twelve
45:28
I say are there, but generally the bibliographic reference that is used is the
45:36
one that comes from outside in some way. Not then is it like Saddin
45:39
comes or comes any of these that obviously you have to read them. I
45:45
consume them, I read them, but perhaps we lack that bibliography of our
45:52
own to understand. From a Latin American national perspective. There are great references,
46:00
so I keep insisting. There' s a lot of moves linking to
46:02
linked free software. I say there are spaces that are extremely interesting, as
46:07
it can be digital lighthouse, like the comrades of Odia, which is the
46:12
Observatory of Argentine computer. But we have if I start thinking about economics or
46:19
I start thinking about other things. Yes, I can quote you, but
46:22
perhaps it is not missing the notebook of forging of the national technology and that
46:30
this group are those who think something very similar, because and with this,
46:35
when I say the forging, I stop in when very well I had explained
46:38
to scalablinio artiz how they were in railway plotting and how everything ended up in
46:45
the port totally and we have is the same thing that nothing else happens with
46:50
underwater cables that everything flows into the United States, because I believe that a
46:55
lot of metaphor is used to talk about technology, the cloud, the highway,
47:00
in information and so on, but in reality it is not so,
47:04
because you have cables, you have the central one in the tonins, you
47:09
have another one to enter through the north, which are cables that cross the
47:15
entire Ocean, which flow into the United States, in large platforms, in
47:17
large deserts, where there are places that store information. And also artificial intelligence.
47:22
It may be something abstract, but you also learn that you need components
47:28
to develop, because these very good videos that we see today generated with artificial
47:31
intelligence. For example, you are needing platelets that are up to what artificial
47:37
intelligence can give you, and those platelets when you start scarring them a little
47:40
bit. They have gold, they have lite, they have copper, they
47:46
have zinc and all the materials that we have in Argentina, but that carry
47:52
them out clear the famous geopolitical map of the famous rare earths. Like you
47:57
' re called that good. There we also have something to analyze, because
48:00
it' s no coincidence that photo and that tour Javier Millay made in the
48:09
United States, taking the photo with the main references of Silicon Valley. Now
48:15
that inhuman world is governed by engineers and I think it' s good that
48:22
they occupied the place that the sages once had, which were generally philosophers,
48:25
sociologists, types that studied the community, society from a human perspective. These
48:30
are looking from an emotional point of view to use it later inhumanely. And
48:37
I ask you a question there is also they will be taking the place that
48:42
they would occupy at the time of the Heads of State. It is more
48:44
important today to take a photo with On Mans than with Joevaden, for example,
48:47
likely. Yeah, he' s probably capable. When we talk about
48:52
anarcho capitalism, what we are saying between the lines, is a capitalism that
48:57
does not need the regulatory state to be able to move with these companies.
49:00
That calmly God and we grasp how much is the stock market capitalization of any
49:06
company. Surely we will find that it is far more than the PD and
49:09
many countries. And besides, we' re going to elections, that is,
49:13
the guy' s still me, a command doesn' t have to
49:15
be elected. Every four years or every given time. Let' s say
49:20
they' re guys who are all the time influencing and ending up being the
49:27
new media and they end up deciding who the new voters are going to be,
49:31
because if it all depends on what comes to you on your screen by
49:36
an algorithm logic, then it ends up being the Clarín stage of the two
49:38
thousand years. You reminded me of that minor charge phrase It' s not
49:44
that I say that today I think so. In fact, when you think
49:46
about the dispute with Clarín and the corpos, I think that that way we
49:52
also understand with the Journal of Monday, it is worth the redundancy and playing
49:58
with the metaphors of the newspapers that out there the stage of Clarín no longer
50:02
turns you a president at four or five minutes at five stages. Say it
50:07
gets you back to a president, but yeah, there' s a video
50:12
viralized through the platforms, with ten million reproductions. If you can turn a
50:15
president over, then it changed the axis of power. There and no longer
50:17
does it go through editorials, but for who you are on the platforms.
50:22
I look at this thing that you' re manifesting and that has to do
50:25
with the beginning, when we were talking about this war that we' re
50:31
in, how we do to get to multiviral and be part of you this
50:42
invention and your platform, your space. I' m not going to leave
50:45
an email so that there, if people feel like it can, because to
50:49
see multiviral I' m building it from with colleagues and so on, then
50:57
sometimes we have there the networks a little bit, abandoned and so on.
51:00
But if they can follow us or for multi- viral space, gmail up
51:06
there, they can find us and send us a message. We are also
51:09
giving with lectures courses. We are generating, for example, on Tuesdays,
51:15
an open and free consultancy for people who approach for anything linked to entrepreneurship.
51:22
We' re also learning to see how we can handle the social media issue
51:28
if we don' t talk a lot and we know very closely at blacksmith
51:30
' s house, stick knife, but there we have the possibility that they
51:37
can communicate with us to listen to this podcast and that, if they want
51:43
to leave me there some comment about what happened to them and that interaction welcome
51:50
be and if not also maesqui seventy- three or multiviral Marian in x they
51:55
can also start following that account regarding digital skills. It is true that many,
51:59
in their ventures, need networks to be able to monetize what they produce,
52:04
and this also implies a knowledge of how I manage this field. Yes,
52:09
obviously, and I noticed it and it went pretty well at work during
52:16
the pandemic, because a lot of people who had to shut down the blind
52:22
had never started to think that I had to have a digital ecosystem under construction
52:28
or solid enough to be able to keep selling that is a little what the
52:36
pandemic taught us that it can also be sold by platforms that ultimately ends up
52:39
being the business model of platforms. No doubt when it comes to receiving silver
52:45
they will receive the 2, 000 pesos that the entrepreneur put with much sacrifice,
52:52
like the thirty million that the corporation puts there. But it' s
52:57
the business model, which is the business model that also ate him and that
53:00
way we can throw him out at another time, the business model that ate
53:04
the big media. Because today, if I' m a coto or a
53:08
company and I have to decide between putting 20 million on the page number five
53:15
of clarín or putting 20 million on target. And I' m going to
53:21
set 20 million goals and I want to get to the top of it I
53:22
' m going to put money in clarion, because what I' m going
53:28
to look for is the political paw and discuss other things by paying for the
53:28
silence. In any case, no. No. Not clear promotion, it
53:30
always happened with the big media. No, and you really paid to keep
53:35
them from talking about one or not talking bad. Yeah, yeah, I
53:38
think what they did now is different. Time, the logic is that you
53:42
are going to have to lay the eggs of different basket or one to promote,
53:45
which are going to be social networks and others and others will be to
53:50
try not to talk about inflation or the issues that are complicated for the interests
53:55
of these companies. The important thing, Mariano, is to be able to
54:00
do everything, each one of us, to have some defense tool. Not
54:04
in this war we' re in, we don' t know where the
54:07
shots come from, how they come. But well, always have some critical
54:10
attitude, at least slow down, don' t freak out, neither buy
54:15
everything that comes to you, what we give you the link or how we
54:20
squeeze it, because we also have scams. We are also victims of a
54:24
lot of other crimes that also happen in this space today. Yeah, the
54:29
other day I was thinking when we were there in the talk of determining this
54:32
question that we historically knew which side the bullets were coming from. You said
54:37
that very well, and today we don' t know. And it has
54:43
to do with this thing that the enemy' s hand became invisible. She
54:50
became invisible and became pleasant. Also because it seems to me that maybe before,
54:54
when you were a slave I figured out that the strip is the one
54:59
for you it hurt and you had to say che. I think I'
55:00
m being blown up and I' m being killed and today, you'
55:05
re two or three hours out there scrolling and you' re not realizing what
55:07
you' re doing. Slave, because if you like football and spend two
55:10
or three hours watching Messi' s best goals, and the least you'
55:14
re going to be thinking is that you' re part of a gear that
55:16
' s looking to explode, but you' re having a good time making
55:21
that clear, yes, and so joyfully. We give our data, our
55:24
tastes, our ideas to do what they want with us. Sure, but
55:30
it' s also so hard to see it, because I say the data
55:35
is what allows me to know when I go on vacation some province, to
55:42
what place I can go the data I' m allowed that the logic of
55:45
the YouTube algorithm, which is very good, also recommends videos of people with
55:52
whom I commune and think just like them. So, on the one hand,
55:57
it' s kind of good that data allows you to train and so
56:00
on because they give you a lot of valuable material, but it' s
56:06
also that nebula in which we don' t know very well where we stand.
56:08
Mariano, thank you very much, EHR please for inviting me, Mariano
56:13
quiroga in this digital ecosystem. He' s already said he' s coming
56:16
back, so you' ll be welcome in the technical operation. Ezequiel Amarillo
56:21
in the melina production rebo in my name, Luis de Chovani, I did
56:23
not have a fantastic time. Mariano really very nice show. I' ll
56:28
take your musical theme. I' m gonna keep singing it over there.
56:30
Now I know I don' t have to pay you the fees, because
56:34
we don' t know who Chao is until the next whits Chas, all
56:55
Chao, c stas, crop ching Shu in the Julia or Quan Jack or Mansa