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What is a ghost? Is the paranormal industry dying? And what is the price of sin? · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  the paranormal industry is dying it's dead it's
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  becoming a ghost how's that for a cold open in
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  this cold cold world wait is this the intro one
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  welcome to our podcast where we take deep dives
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  looking at various topics through a paranormal
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  lens my name is ben my name is angela My name
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  is Avery. What's with the accents? Did I say
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  it with an accent? Yes, you did. My name is Bette.
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  See, I didn't even know. I was just like... Oh
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  my god. All of this is gonna be bloopers. It
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  should be. For the listeners, we have been recording
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  for like 10 minutes so far. At this point, everything
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  is just like going in from here on out. Maybe
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  we'll post 10 minutes worth of bloopers after,
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  but starting now, bloopers are in. It's it. This
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  is just our show. Hell yeah. Rock and roll. Yeah,
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  rock and roll. As I was saying... In a weird
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  accent for some reason. My name is Ben, and I'm
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  joined by Angela and Brianna for a combined 30
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  years. We have, yeah, me and Brianna have been
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  paranormal investigating for eight years each.
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  Oh, okay. Actually, that's eight. That's not
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  30 years. That's not 30 years. I don't know what
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  you're thinking. I didn't question it because
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  I was like, wait. I thought, you see, in my head,
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  I was like, 8 plus 8 plus 2, that's, you know,
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  basically 10 three times. But that's not even
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  10. It's 10 minus 2 is 8. And then you get to
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  16. And that's only 18. How did I get to 30?
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  That's a good question. So for a combined 18
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  years, which is not as grandiose and exciting
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  of a statement as it was when I said 30, but
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  still, for people that are in their 20s, having
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  a combined 18 years of experience in anything
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  is impressive. We have been paranormal investigating,
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  and it's really changed our outlook on life.
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  Now we view most things through a paranormal
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  lens. Paranormal Lens. Whoa, name drop. Name
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  drop. That's our new name for our new podcast.
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  This will be our flagship main podcast. So here
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  on Paranormal Lens, we'll have weekly topics
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  where whatever we're feeling like talking about
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  in the week, we'll discuss. We may not. stay
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  on topic over the course of the half hour of
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  the episode. Angela is notorious for tangents,
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  and Brianna, as you'll come to find out, is notorious
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  for hating tangents. She loves to stay... Hey,
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  I just like guiding the stream in a general direction.
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  Yeah, you love your flows, and Angela loves...
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  What are you doing, Angela? Uh... I just found
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  this business card and I don't remember who this
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  gave me it and I just read the back and what
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  it said is that where did I read that? The price
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  of sin is death. It has lots of side tangents.
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  I just saw this and I'm like where the heck did
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  this come from? And all it says on the back is
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  The price of sin is death. What does the front
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  say? It said Soundwave booth. Soundwave booth?
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  Yeah, it's a business card. Hold on. Soundwave
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  booth. It just literally was on my parents' coffee
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  table. Okay, so the Soundwave booth. They make
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  tumblers and hats and frames, it says, and they
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  engrave each thing with faith, family, and freedom
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  slogans. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, got it.
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  Okay, sorry, that really confused me. I mean,
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  that's really on brand. We're trying to introduce
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  our podcast, and we've spent more time talking
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  about, what was the name of that? Sound? Sound
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  booth. Sound booth. We've spent more time. At
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  this point, we should just say how to find sound
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  booth, because clearly that's what Angela wants
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  to talk about today. Sound wave booth. You can
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  find them at, oh, God, this is a. I'm not going
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  to read this whole website. Jack Vaughn. I think
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  if someone is super interested, they can definitely
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  just Google it. That's so true. You know, I listen
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  to podcasts while driving, Brianna. It's very
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  careless and hazardous to recommend people Google
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  while driving. Don't Google it now. Google it
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  later when you get home or to your destination.
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  Don't be a Ben. What? What do I do? Meaning you
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  would look it up while you're driving. No, I
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  wouldn't. Yes, you would. Not in Michigan. You
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  can't even tap your phone anymore in Michigan.
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  You're incriminating me. Everyone ignore that.
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  Ben follows the rules. Yes, Ben follows all the
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  laws. Yes, every time I take a... Out driving
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  to the crossroads of curiosities. Vroom vroom!
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  Another name drop. Yeah, because that's our business.
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  Okay. Let's get back to business. We have created
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  this flagship podcast that you are hopefully
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  still listening to called Paranormal Lens. We'll
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  have... Occasional project updates for all the
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  fun things we're working on. We'll have weekly
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  topics for things that are perhaps timely or
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  things that we're just thinking about that maybe
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  don't warrant a full feature film made about
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  them. What are some future topics? Curses? Curses,
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  anyone? Vampires. Vampires, anyone? I know two
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  big hitters that probably do warrant. films of
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  their own, but as we'll discuss in each of those,
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  there are existing films about those topics that
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  already exist. Hence why they're existing, because
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  they exist. No, really? Yeah. Unlike ghosts,
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  ghosts don't exist. Maybe that's a topic for
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  another day. Do we believe in ghosts? Or maybe
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  we can do that now for this supposed to be an
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  intro to our podcast episode. We've been doing
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  this for a combined 30 years, give or take 12
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  years. Is that right? 30 minus 12? Yes. 18. We're
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  getting there. In these 18 years, what's the
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  one question everyone asks? The first thing they
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  think to ask. Do you believe in ghosts? That's
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  number two. Do you believe in ghosts? And then
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  they say, well, have you ever seen one? Well,
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  have you, Ben? Do shadow figures count as ghosts?
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  Because then I would say yes. That's a great
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  question. Do shadow figures count as ghosts?
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  I mean... I would say they fall within the realm
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  of the unnatural and paranormal that does not
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  follow the lines of what we physically understand
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  and could classify as an entity or a ghost. I
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  would still say that if you see an unexplained
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  shadow that's unexplained phenomena a ghost to
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  me we need to find what a ghost is before we
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  can answer this question what is a ghost that's
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  a great question and a hard one because there's
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  so many different factors into defining what
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  is a ghost because on one hand like angela said
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  you got shadow figures on the other hand you
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  got full body apparitions that sometimes have
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  features sometimes don't you have um even humans
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  and inhuman noises and sounds and do they come?
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  I want to hear an example of an inhuman noise,
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  an inhuman sound. A pardero dactyl noise. Like
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  a growl or something. We should give the listeners
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  a true audio. No? No. It could be like a or it
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  could be like a or it could be like a or it could
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  be like a Sure. Great job, Angela. What the hell?
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  See, personally, I was thinking more of a That
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  sounds like it would be a goblin under a bridge.
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  That's an inhuman sound, yes. There's nothing
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  human about a goblin. And no humans hang out
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  under the bridge. That's what a goblin sounds
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  like. Brianna, you can... Oh, I see your dog
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  is in the chat. I'm not adding that. Yes, she
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  has. Does your dog want to make demon noises?
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  Can she bark into the microphone? Not today.
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  Oh, she's stealing things off the table. But
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  anyways, that's my main point. Why I brought
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  up the question to begin with is... an inhuman
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  entity uh that that was never alive and is i
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  just thought of the word i was thinking of when
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  i said inhuman voice i meant um disembodied voice
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  oh okay well that's very different but like it's
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  very different um it has nothing to do with my
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  my point which is i'm sorry it just happens my
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  brain all of us making noises would not have
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  happened I mean, this entire podcast medium is
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  one long disembodied voice to the people listening
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  to this. Are we hearing ghosts or just hearing
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  podcasts from another dimension? Maybe sometimes.
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  Well, okay, so remember when we were... Doing
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  the project. With Tommy Tombstone. For his new
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  documentary. And we heard. Riley and Trevor's.
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  Like. Podcast intro. Coming through the spirit
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  box ones. Maybe that's coming from a different
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  dimension. That is right. Trevor and Riley. Of
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  the acclaimed. What goes bump podcast. Joined
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  us on this investigation. we heard a voice that
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  sounded like them come through the spirit box
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  and say in this weird tone that they don't ever
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  use. Oh, it sounded like them. Yeah, it was their
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  voice, but they said it in this weird tone. Yeah.
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  In this weird cadence. Way like they wouldn't
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  use. So, like, the definition of uncanny. And,
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  um, so maybe that, maybe all podcasts that exist
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  have a, uh, thinking like the, uh, white lodge
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  black lodge like there's like a flipped like
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  an inverse like there's this shadow dimension
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  version of it that exists um that would be very
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  lynching i think um anyways going back to what
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  is a ghost we're all avoiding the topic clearly
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  because what i was trying to propose yeah we
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  don't know because if something wasn't ever alive
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  Is that a ghost or is that just some other phenomena?
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  Because the way I compartmentalize it is I think
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  of a ghost as a person that was once alive that
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  is now no longer alive. They are in the TikTok
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  lingo, they are unalived. And when an unalived
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  person is somehow still able to communicate with
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  the living, that's a ghost, right? A spirit,
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  someone. of this earth don't have a body but
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  you can still communicate with them now where
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  does residual energy fit into that i think that
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  is just energy i won't call that a ghost and
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  where does inhuman entities uh you know there's
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  all these entities we've encountered other people
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  encountered uh where do they fit into that i
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  don't think that's a ghost i think that's something
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  else but it's all under this paranormal umbrella
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  i think that's a good way to put it I mean, I
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  still kind of see ghosts as just like a whole
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  I can't think of the word like a group of entities
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  that don't have a physical form or body or something
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  like that. I think that also is encompassed in
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  that umbrella of the paranormal and ghosts so
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  well because it's also slippery slope to say
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  anything that's unexplainable as a ghost because
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  then you need to know what a ghost is yeah well
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  i'm not saying everything that's unexplainable
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  oh yeah yeah i'm just saying people in general
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  like when your emf meter beeps because it measured
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  two milligrams you know anomalous unexplained
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  energy It's not a ghost. First of all, what is
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  a ghost? If you think a ghost is a person that
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  has died and is now communicating with you, did
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  you just prove that there's a dead person standing
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  in front of you? No, but anyways, I digress.
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  I think the answer to the question of if I've
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  seen a ghost would be no. I've seen some unexplainable
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  phenomena. that defies physics and logic. Another
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  thing with shadow figures that we didn't explicitly
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  state is that they inherently defy physics because
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  they're often free float. When you have a shadow
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  that's cast a view on a wall, two things are
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  happening. One, light is hitting you. There's
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  a light source, and then it gets cast on a shadow.
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  Your shadow doesn't fucking Peter Pan around
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  and come off the wall and dance in circles. These
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  shadow figures, there's often no explainable
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  light source to cause a shadow, and they're free
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  -floating. They're not against a wall. They're
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  like in the middle of a hallway. So, that's weird.
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  But is it a dead person? I don't know. I believe
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  in ghosts, right? But I don't believe... I don't
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  believe I can state definitively if I've seen
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  one, because I don't know... The reason they're
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  unexplained is, like, all the shit we've seen
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  defies explanation. If it was a ghost, that would
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  be an explanation. Yeah, I think that's a good
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  way to put it. Because when you put it that way...
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  I've seen shadow figures, but I don't know that
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  I've necessarily seen a ghost. I've seen no apparitions
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  of anything before. And I feel like most people
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  don't. I mean, it happens, but most people don't,
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  I feel like. They do every five minutes on TV.
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  Evidently, yeah. Bitch. In case you guys were
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  unaware. the the news of the day i just saw this
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  a couple hours ago and i texted it to you guys
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  i was like we need to talk about this on this
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  on this uh on this pod as the kids say we have
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  a pod um chip coffee the renowned uh famous psychic
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  medium he made a post i mean we already knew
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  this or at least i already knew all the stuff
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  he said it wasn't anything new to me but it's
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  really catching a lot of a lot of steam, a lot
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  of traction, getting a lot of reactions, he flat
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  out said, paranormal TV shows are dead. The industry
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  is dead. Yeah. No one is funding or producing
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  new shows. No networks are investing in paranormal
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  content. The only... Network -based paranormal
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  shows, and this is a quote from him, the only
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  network -based paranormal shows that are still
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  continuously creating new episodes are Ghost
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  Adventures because it continues to be popular
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  and makes money for the network, and Paranormal
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  Call on Camera because it is very inexpensive
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  to produce. End quote. I forgot about that show.
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  Yep. And, you know, goes on to talk more about,
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  like, trends in media, and obviously there was
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  a big surge of every... person on the internet
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  um was offered it seemed a deal for a paranormal
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  tv show we can go into if you want we were even
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  almost on a tv show back in college um oh yeah
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  i actually keep forgetting about that whole situation
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  yeah what i don't um well yeah it was before
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  we met you but we were uh brianna and i met at
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  michigan state university at the paranormal club
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  they have their Surprisingly, it's one of the
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  largest paranormal clubs in the Midwest, and
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  they were doing a reboot. I think we can say
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  this. The NDAs probably are. I have no idea.
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  All right, well, they can sue us if they want.
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  It's not like they're making the show anymore.
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  The industry is dead, but they were going to
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  do a new reboot of Paranormal State, the TV show
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  out of... Penn State, I believe, where they were
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  college ghost hunters, and they were going to
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  do this whole thing. Ryan was going to be back
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  on the show and, like, mentoring these groups,
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  and they were casting paranormal groups based
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  out of colleges around the country to find the
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  new, I don't know if they had, like, a name for
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  their gang, but the new spooky school gang, you
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  know, so I'll just go with that. Anyways, they...
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  we went pretty far in the casting we went through
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  like three rounds of interviews signed one round
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  of contracts but then the next batch of contracts
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  they were not good we didn't like them so we
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  decided to step away from the show and it's a
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  good thing we did because yeah there's a lot
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  of infighting i guess amongst the producers of
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  the show and like i guess having to deal with
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  like the rights and who owned it and and this
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  has been verified since that would have been
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  a whole mess yeah and it never got off the ground
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  but anyways we almost were on on a show that's
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  okay we're good yeah um we're much better off
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  not and then i've spoken to people that were
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  on paranormal state like the cast of the og show
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  and i told them about this and they're like yeah
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  good thing you didn't sign that contract like
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  you're better off um but i guess like that's
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  kind of if the industry is dead and it really
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  is like if you go on any uh um tv show pitch
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  sites like there's companies that distribute
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  tv shows and pitch them to networks they all
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  say like in big letters like we are not currently
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  seeking paranormal or ghost hunting TV. I feel
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  like the reason for that is because when there
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  was a bunch of the shows, they were kind of all
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  the same. There was nothing new coming up. Yeah,
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  exactly. The thing with the paranormal field
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  is it is hard to escape. the mindset and same
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  um basic flow of what a paranormal show is like
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  go into it expecting that this is what it's going
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  to be they're gonna go film at this spooky haunted
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  place maybe have something happen and collect
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  some evidence and it's never it's it's almost
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  never like new like yeah you get some new interesting
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  historical facts so maybe something spooky happens
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  and they actually catch something on camera which
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  happens like what maybe seven percent of the
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  time like an actual compelling piece of evidence
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  but it's it's repetitive unfortunately well because
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  every every show utilizes the same you know five
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  -act structure they all begin with uh you know
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  like you said different history different tidbits
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  different facts and maybe each show will have
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  the same or you know same type of people but
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  different faces swapped out right you have the
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  uh and each crew you have the jason hawes you
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  have the grant wilson you have the uh you know
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  is all the same type of person just a different
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  person um they all begin driving up to the location
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  they go on their walkie -talkies they uh they
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  act like they've never heard of the location
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  before they get the history they do an investigation
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  and analyze the evidence they reveal the evidence
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  and then they move on to the next and that's
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  every show and there's not really like yeah no
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  meaning to it too it's like they do the investigation
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  and then it just ends never yeah Well, it's a
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  produced TV show that's really easy narrative
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  arc. You know, when you look at an investigation,
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  what's the narrative? What's the story? That's
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  the story. And then when you have a TV show,
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  they need to batch record this. So you're doing
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  like hundreds of episodes and maybe 10 make it
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  to air. So it's very rigorous and fast -paced.
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  The one paranormal show I think really... did
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  it differently i mean it was still kind of the
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  same base pattern of history investigation reveal
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  evidence but they i can get different and i really
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  enjoyed the show and it was uh dead files um
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  because it it it very much came at it from a
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  different direction because they had two two
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  lead hosts one was a psychic who went into the
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  investment into the location knowing absolutely
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  nothing about it. And these weren't like famous
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  places like Pennhurst or the big facilities.
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  They were people's homes. Heck yeah, that's cool.
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  So the psychic would go in, know no history,
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  reveal what she felt as she was going through
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  the house. The other host was a retired detective
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  and he was the one who went in and did all the
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  historical research, talked to the people, went
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  through the files. went and dug in the history
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  and at the end they came together and did the
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  evidence reveal but they compared what they found
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  in their own investigations and sometimes it
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  matched sometimes it didn't but from there they
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  would actually help them move to the next steps
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  of what they should do to like get rid of what
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  was there or make themselves more comfortable
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  that sort of thing I felt like that show pushed
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  the boundaries. That was a very interesting show,
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  even though it followed the same pattern. I'm
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  not sure if they're still doing that show, honestly.
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  No, I think that's one of those shows that went
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  to... They never got officially cancelled or
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  canned, so to speak, but they just never started
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  again. Got renewed, yeah. But yeah, I mean, you
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  can... that story structure is tried and true
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  because it works um and it works and it works
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  because it's also malleable and flexible and
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  you can come at it with new angles if you really
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  wanted to and if people wanted to give you money
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  because that's another thing too if you are pitching
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  to a network and you have this crazy new idea
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  are they willing to give you money to fund a
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  whole show based on this idea that's not proven
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  or if you use the base story arc and narrative
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  that that's proven to work like we're doing this
• 27:44
  but you know um and angela just disappeared where
• 27:48
  do you go angela that's her dog by the way um
• 27:54
  she's letting her dog out who let the dogs out
• 27:57
  who who who who angela then brianna the owl that's
• 28:05
  who But anyways, yeah, the five -act structure,
• 28:09
  this whole, you know, what every show does, we're
• 28:15
  not interested in that. What we put out, for
• 28:22
  example, we just put out a short film called
• 28:25
  The Possession Tape. Most things we put out,
• 28:30
  because we've held on to this footage for like
• 28:34
  a year now. In a year? It's been like eight,
• 28:40
  six, eight months. Eight months. Almost a year.
• 28:43
  Almost a year. Most people would have just put
• 28:45
  it out. This is gold clickbait material. The
• 28:50
  first and only time we've witnessed a potential
• 28:54
  partial possession. Most people would have got
• 29:01
  that footage and just jumped right on it. Clickbait.
• 29:04
  Heck yeah. um possession caught on camera investigation
• 29:08
  gone wrong almost died blackout oh no okay nobody
• 29:12
  almost died that's a little dramatic not clickbait
• 29:16
  gone wrong gone levitated no i didn't if if we
• 29:25
  if someone levitated that would have gone on
• 29:27
  tick tock immediately Yeah. Oh, yeah. People
• 29:30
  wouldn't believe it if you put it on TikTok,
• 29:33
  though. They'd be like, oh, good effects, or
• 29:35
  where's the string? I don't know. Yeah. That
• 29:40
  video would have gotten, like, three views, because
• 29:44
  TikTok would have been like, this is unsafe behavior.
• 29:50
  Don't recommend encouraging this behavior. It
• 29:53
  would have been, like, flagged. God fucking damn
• 29:55
  it. Levitation. uh gone wrong unalived on camera
• 30:01
  that that would have been allowed to say but
• 30:03
  um anyways um point being we didn't post it for
• 30:10
  two reasons one it's very sensationalistic and
• 30:15
  clickbaity as it is and two we only do things
• 30:19
  and post things beyond social media posts you
• 30:23
  know there's social media posts that you know
• 30:25
  whatever you know that's not there's no There's
• 30:28
  no weight to that. But when you put out a film,
• 30:30
  that's like a film that's different than like
• 30:32
  a social media post of, hey, we just went to
• 30:34
  this, you know, location. When we put out a film,
• 30:38
  we got to be saying something with it. We're
• 30:40
  not interested in doing this five -act structure
• 30:44
  where, you know, we say the same story, just
• 30:47
  swap out the faces, swap out the places. We're
• 30:49
  not interested in just putting out just clickbaity
• 30:52
  BS. we had nothing to say with this well i mean
• 30:57
  what you put out a the possession tape and we
• 31:00
  just talk about if we think it was a real possession
• 31:05
  or like that's not a story now yeah we're at
• 31:08
  a place and it's coinciding with you know our
• 31:11
  big relaunch that was kind of the the the the
• 31:14
  inception of the project was like hey we're doing
• 31:17
  this big relaunch we're gonna relaunch this podcast
• 31:19
  it would be great to have some sort of film out
• 31:22
  there and since it was all essentially archival
• 31:27
  material just with some new commentary and voiceover
• 31:30
  it took really quick to conceive and then create
• 31:33
  i've only been editing it for like a week now
• 31:36
  and uh i saw the first minute it was really good
• 31:40
  yeah i couldn't even believe that it was so beautiful
• 31:45
  yeah i'm like even though i was there and i filmed
• 31:49
  most of it i'm like What's it going to look like?
• 31:55
  What's it going to be? I'm so interested. There's
• 32:00
  a lot more than just the possession tapes to
• 32:02
  it. Yeah, because it's kind of deceptive in a
• 32:05
  way. For the listeners who haven't caught on,
• 32:08
  we're recording this on Wednesday. I announced
• 32:12
  that I'm going to drop the film on Friday. That's
• 32:15
  two days from now. i'm not done with it yet so
• 32:20
  yeah so you and angela haven't seen it um it's
• 32:26
  being worked on um anyways um it's kind of deceptive
• 32:34
  in a way as you guys will see because uh the
• 32:39
  possession that's in the name the possession
• 32:42
  tape only makes up about like a little less than
• 32:47
  half of this The film. Wait, how long is the
• 32:51
  film? Well, it's not done yet. Probably around
• 32:55
  25 -30 minutes. Okay. That's a good little length.
• 33:00
  I like it. Yeah, that's a nice cute short film.
• 33:04
  Yeah, but nice and cute. Maybe a possession in
• 33:07
  there. Who knows? Nice and cute. Very cutesy.
• 33:13
  So cute. Angela would say I was, you know, for
• 33:17
  listeners, we're dating. But she might say I'm
• 33:21
  cute even when I'm possessed. Yeah. Oh, I wasn't?
• 33:27
  You were kind of creepy, I'm going to be honest.
• 33:31
  Well, I take that back. I thought she liked creepy.
• 33:34
  I do like creepy, but like... I did it all for
• 33:37
  you! I can't say you were cute 100 % if that
• 33:42
  wasn't for you, by the way. I got possessed for
• 33:45
  you and you didn't even appreciate it. Oh my
• 33:49
  god. The drama. Drama. We don't do that drama
• 33:56
  shit. Let's move on. Drop it while it's hot.
• 34:00
  Is that what they say? Drop it while it's hot?
• 34:04
  I don't think that's what they're saying. Let's
• 34:06
  grab our mics and just drop them. No, that would
• 34:09
  be a horrible sign. We're going to make them
• 34:11
  all deaf. How can we have listeners to a podcast
• 34:15
  if we make them all deaf on the first episode?
• 34:18
  Like, hey, I know you're deaf and all, but keep
• 34:20
  listening, please. Oh my goodness. Anywho, the
• 34:27
  point of this whole mention of the possession
• 34:31
  tapes was now... You know, it just so happens
• 34:34
  to coincide with our relaunch, but we actually,
• 34:37
  or I actually have something to say with it now.
• 34:39
  And there's kind of a point to it. It's not just
• 34:41
  a dropping possession. Ooh, possession. Because
• 34:47
  the point is not to sensationalize a potential
• 34:51
  possession. Maybe it's kind of framed as we were
• 34:57
  getting a little dark in some of the stuff we
• 35:01
  were... doing and we're relaunching we're going
• 35:05
  in maybe a better direction a different direction
• 35:09
  you know so there's like a dark dark things are
• 35:16
  getting dark but that's a story for another day
• 35:18
  not just dark dark dark dark dark yeah anywho
• 35:24
  we're looking to the future for better brighter
• 35:29
  things Better and brighter. So with that, I look
• 35:36
  forward to getting into these main topics. I
• 35:40
  think next week we are. No, we're not. Brianna,
• 35:45
  you have a cool topic. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're
• 35:48
  going to talk about haunted locations and if
• 35:53
  they should ever. When is enough? When is enough
• 35:56
  for paranormal locations or haunted locations?
• 35:58
  And should. haunted locations actually be retired
• 36:02
  at some point. So we're having a retirement party
• 36:06
  next week. I hope you guys join. You're all invited.
• 36:13
  We don't know how to end this podcast. We didn't
• 36:15
  discuss this. How are we ending this? I think
• 36:21
  that's something to figure out for next time.
• 36:23
  Okay. Why do I look so scared? Thanks for listening!
• 36:28
  I'm so scared. I'm scared that having an unresolved
• 36:35
  ending leaves me uneasy. It's just a reflection
• 36:39
  on life. And it's mirroring reality. You could
• 36:45
  say something to close the podcast. Like, thanks
• 36:49
  for listening. Hope you come back next week.
• 36:53
  We will be more prepared next time. Well, we
• 36:56
  have a real topic. exactly we'll have a real
• 36:58
  topic and have an actual intro and you know talk
• 37:04
  about things thank you for showing up everyone
• 37:07
  and remember come back next time the paranormal
• 37:13
  industry is dead but we're alive still very much
• 37:17
  alive we woke up and we are having our second
• 37:20
  coming we are we are re -entering the paranormal
• 37:25
  universe In ruins. It's in shambles. This is
• 37:31
  the apocalypse. They're not funding paranormal
• 37:34
  content. But here we are. We have our armor.
• 37:39
  We have our... What is... Light to guide the
• 37:44
  way. What do the zombies do when they come back
• 37:47
  to life? They don't have armor. They eat your
• 37:49
  brains. We're gonna eat your brains. Run! People,
• 37:56
  run! We're coming for your brains! We'll come
• 37:58
  back next week for a very intellectual conversation
• 38:01
  about if Haunted Location is to retire or not.
• 38:04
  See you then. Bye! Bye!